December 5, 2024 • 35 mins
Gov. Gavin Newsom was at the border today talking about transnational commerce and border security and blamed Trump's tariff proposal on impending rising oil and petroleum prices in California. Gov. Gavin Newsom served up one of the best word salads at the border as well. Brad Garrett comes on the show to talk about the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson being killed in NYC yesterday.
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All right, Well, we're gonna talk after three point thirty
with Brad Garrett. He's the ABC News crime and terrorism
analyst expert about the shooting in Manhattan of the CEO
of United Healthcare, Brian Thompson. There is new video and
photos coming out almost every hour because there are probably
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thousands of cameras in New York City that either take
security photos or security video and they're piecing it all
together and published it. Got a clear look at this
guy's face now because he stopped at a Starbucks and
bought some coffee and some protein bars, and he threw
the coffee cup and the wrappers in the garbage. So
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now they have his DNA. He also dropped his phone
along the way. They got that and they got a
search warrant to open up the contents, assuming they could
get past the security in an iPhone.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So we'll talk to Brad Garrett.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
About piecing together the clues as to who did this
and why they did this. I mean he engraved. He
engraved words on three of the bullets and it was
very close to the title of a book about how
insurance companies screw you over when you make a claim.
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So maybe the wife knew what she was talking about
when she said it might have had something to do
with someone not getting a claim approved. Also turns out
that she and Brian Thompson have been living apart for years,
which may explain her muted response to the to the killing.
All that coming up ahead, But first, and this is
new got Word. This morning, the Gavin Newsom was going
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to have a news conference at noon. He was visiting
the border down in San Diego and he was supposed
to touch on transnational commerce I guess you know, the economic
commerce between Mexico and California, and he was also going
to talk about border security. You mentioned border security from
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this goof that has repeatedly enforced California's sanctuary state status
and bragged about it and has got all sanctimonious about it,
like Karen Bass does in the La City Council. Everybody's
so proud of being a sactuary state, and nobody cares
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if you've got gang members in terrorists running around, why
they don't want to help out The FEDS capture the
criminals and then and then they go around telling us, well,
my job is to keep Californian safe. I heard this
today because he, you know, he responded immediately to the
tsunami warning, ran right to the beach wearing one of
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his tight black T shirts and he was going to
stop the tsunami with his bare hands.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Sound a little jealous, John.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
If he got hit by the tsunami would have created
an instant oil slick. Anyway, back to the California Mexico border.
So he's at the border and he's talking to reporters
and I haven't heard this yet. This just came out,
and the reporter asks him about tariffs. You know, Trump
is threatening tariffs against Mexico, Canada, and China if they
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don't help with the border situation. And they also started
asking him about the impending rising gas prices, you know,
which could go up anywhere from sixty to ninety cents
a gallon next year. So I don't know what's coming.
We're gonna play cut number five. Newsim at the border.
What do you feel is still the maybe the misunderstanding
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the public has in terms of how this tariff will
impact their daily lives.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They don't know what tariff means. What I asked nine,
I tell people it's a tariff. They said, oh you know,
I said, no, what is it? Tariff's a tax that
you pay for and not even complicated. Is one of
the biggest tax increases in US history that this guy,
Donald Trump just proposed. That's a hell of a thing. Yeah,
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that is disproportionately impacts you. Impacts the cost of oil
and petroleum. You're upset about costs of oil. It directly
impacts the cost of oil. Impacts the cost of medical drugs, all.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right, just the cost stop. Stop.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He is so disgusting. He is such a freaking liar.
Oh my god, what a liar he is. Gavin Newsom
signed a series of laws so that the taxes are
going to go up ninety gas prices are going up
ninety cents a gallon, and he's trying to blame it
on Trump. He is passing sign he's signing a law.
(05:31):
Let me get this right. He gave the California Airress
Resources Board the authority to pass a low carbon fuel
price increase. It's a low carbon fuel standard to fight
their stupid climate change. And so they pass this the
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Air Resources Board. They're unelected, they're all appointed by Newsom,
and the price is going to go up sixty five
cents next year. The refoil refineries have to use this
low carbon fuel standard, which doesn't exist anywhere else, only
here in California. He appointed the California Air Resources Board
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to do this, and they ricked this board so they
have the power to raise gas prices without it going
up for a vote by the legislature or Newsome signing
a bill. But Newsom signed other bills. One which requires
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the oil companies to put away a gas reserve that's
going to add up to twenty seven cents a gallon
of gas. There's also an automatic sales tax increase that's
going to hit Youuly the first and there's a fourth one.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
There's a fourth increase too.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
All this is from Newsom in the legislature or through
the California Air Resources Board. And out of the twelve
members who voted for the gas price increase, eleven of
the twelve were appointed by Newsom, and Newsom in the
legislature can block this price increase, but they're not going to.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They refuse to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And then this stinking, oily, greasy liar goes to the
border and tells reporters that it's Trump's tariffs.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
What is he nuts?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
All the oil that's imported here into California is not affected.
First of all, no tariffs have been imposed. Trump threatened
a tariff if they don't comply and help us with
border control. Last I heard, the Mexican president has agreed
to do it, and so has the Canadian Prime minister.
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So there might not be any tariffs at all on
Canada and Mexico if they play ball and help shut
down the border. And they have in the past. They
did it for Trump before, they did it to a
certain extent, even for a feeble old bike. So they'll
do it. We have more power than they, he is
intentionally like and the reporters standing around him, at least
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up to this point.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I'm a tape.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Are too stupid to even know the background here, Ah
play more.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Of this impacts the cost of medical drugs, impacts the
cost of food. It's a tax that you pay for.
And you know what, most regressive tax that exists, in
the modest revenue it generates, is to offset a massive
tax cut for billionaires and corporations.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's what he's proposing.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You can't make this up.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, well you did. Actually you did make it up.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And he kind of gives away himself at the beginning
where he says people don't know what tariffs are. Ask
nine out of ten people, they don't know what the
word tariff means. He knows most people don't keep track
of this. He knows that if he says Donald Trump
cost the ninety ninety cent a gallon increase, a lot
of people say, oh, that's bad, Why did Trump do that?
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Because they don't pay attention to the details, and the
idiots in the media here cover it for a very short.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Time or not at all.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So he knows how ignorant much of the public is,
so he mocks them at first and then proceeds to
exploit the average person's ignorance by blaming the gas price
increase on Trump. If most people don't know what tariffs are,
certainly most people don't know about the California Air Resources
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Board and the Low Carbon Fuel standard, and that's sixty
five send a gallon increase and the requirement to keep
an oil reserve that's going to drive up prices another
twenty seven cents, or the automatic sales tax increase in July.
All right, Now, let's play cut number number six here. Uh,
this all right, this is this is a little this
(10:18):
is a big bowl, a big word salad.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Hope you got some dressing?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
All right? This stuff makes me crazy. Go ahead, play it.
So what happened a month ago today? What went wrong?
How did Democrats get shown the door so badly? What
would you have done differently?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, Harris, I appreciate it, and I hope you can appreciate.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
If I appear a little political, it's because I'm intentionally
trying to be by not answering your question.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And what I mean by that is I'm with John
Stewart who wisely said, uh, be patient. Uh, what happened
will be revealed, and it won't be revealed in the
hours and days and weeks and even months after an election.
What is this that will absorb a deeper understanding over time?
(11:09):
And that's the approach I'm taking. I wrote out, I'm
not making this up. There's about six pages I have
in notes my mother and Dad's grave in the car
of everybody's punditry that completely contradicts everyone else's punditry about
what happened. And I did that purposely from my own
absorption and edification.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That will reveal itself.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I don't have a clear answer to it, and so
as a consequence, I won't attempt to answer.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
What was the question what went wrong for the Democrats
and Kamala on a month ago today?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And that was his answer.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Everybody knows the answers is pretty simple. There's the ten
million people going across the border. It was the price
of food going up thirty percent in the last three years.
There's all this woke bull crap that covers most of it.
Everyone is sick of left wing progressive economics, left wing
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progressive border policies, left wing progressive rules on what you're
supposed to say, and think, Oh my.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
God, I want to see what these six pages of
notes he said that he has that he swore on
his mother and father's grave.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, that's serious. That is the worst word salad I've heard.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Out of him. It was worse than any of Kamala's.
That was like a big bowl of kale here. That
was terrible. All right. I might want to play that again.
Keep that around.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
No problem.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
For people to miss that.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I knew you were gonna love these. I was strolling,
I was scrolling Twitter during the break and just saw
him and I was like, Oh, John's gonna love these?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
How do you even talk like that? How are you
capable of talking like that? All Right? We got more
coming up. Brad Garrett from ABC News on the healthcare
executive shot to death in New York.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Try to put together all the clues and the evidence.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Just for the record, so you don't think I'm crazy
if you hadn't heard this. It is a ninety cent increase,
and sixty five cents is coming from the California Air
Resources Board. We're talking gas prices, and that's all appointed
by Newsom. And then there's another twenty seven cents a
gallon because Newsom is requiring oil refineries to keep a
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reserve of extra gasoline.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
There's no reason for that. Third thing is.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Phillip sixty six is closing two of it's refineries because
of all the onerous climate regulations in California. Again, that's
Newsom's fault. So we're going to lose eight percent of
our refinery capacity. That's going to drive up the price
fourteen cents. So you got sixty five cents from the
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Air Resources Board, you got twenty seven cents from this
law requiring a gas reserve, fourteen cents from Phillips sixty
six closing refineries, and then you have another few cents
coming in July because of this automatic gas tax increase
that Newsom signed. All right, So it's all Newsom, California Legislature,
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California Air Resources Board, which is appointed by Newsom, it's
all of them driving up the oil prices. And he
had the gall Gavin Newsom at the border today to
blame Trump's tariffs. That is complete bull crap. He is
a stinking, thinking liar. And somebody on a call um
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on it, and I who was that who had the
second question about why the Democrats lose? Because that didn't
sound like a reporter.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I didn't see any reporter names on from the questions
we got.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We gotta play this again. I enjoyed that too much.
All right, So this this is somebody challenging Newsom. Hey,
you know why the Democrats lose because Newsom is on
this weird island. The whole country is fed up with
progressive politics, fed freaking up, and we're still getting hammered
over the head with it here with their climate change
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garbage and their sanctuary city nonsense. Nobody wants to live
like this. This is a real Newsome answer. This is
not edited in any way or enhanced in any way.
You'll hear it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
What happened a month ago today? What went wrong? How
did Democrats get shown the door so valid? What would
you have done differently?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I appreciate it, and I hope you can appreciate. If
I appear a little political, it's because I'm intentionally trying
to be by not answering your question. And what I
mean by that is I'm with John Stewart, who wisely said.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Be patient.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
What happened will be revealed, and it won't be revealed
in the hours and days and weeks and even months
after an election that will absorb a deeper understanding over time.
And that's the approach I'm taking. I wrote out, I'm
not making this up. There's about six pages I have
in notes my mother and Dad's grave in the car
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of everybody's punditry that completely contradicts everyone else's punditry about
what happened. And I did that purposely for my own
absorption and edification that it will reveal itself.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I don't have a.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Clear answer to it, and so as a consequence, I
won't attempt to answer.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I wonder how long until it reveals itself.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's like some kind of biblical revelation that we're supposed
to wait for.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
The rapture is gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
You.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Somebody's gonna fly down out of the clouds with the answer.
Your gas prices are going up ninety cents a gallon
next year. There's your answer. There's your big reveal. Here's
another example. It was in the New York Post of
California's progressive idiocy. This is happening in San Bernardino. Story
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is about a guy named Will Luna. He's trying to
run a business. He runs an old fashioned video arcade
where you could play old video games. I guess maybe
pinball machines.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Either.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
A local homeless encampment is nearby, and a bunch of
thugs from the encampment broke in and robbed and trashed
will Luna's arcade. Somebody spotted the loot in the encampment
and Luna went inside and he found some of the
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stolen merchandise. So he goes to the cops and here
in woke world in San Bernardino, here's what the cops say.
We can't go inside, but you can. I guess under
San Bernardino policy, they're not allowed to enter the tents,
or move the tents or get the stolen merchandise out
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of the tents, but Luna can.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Luna could risk his life.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So Luna went in the tents and recovered some of it.
It was thousands of dollars of PlayStation and Nintendo consoles
and our old arcade games of an X Men X
Men arcade game. The Supreme Court had ruled that these
homeless encampments can be shut down, dismantled, shut down.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
In San Bernardino.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
They're allowing them to exist, and they're enabling the criminals
who are robbing the small business owners. And then when
the when the guy complains, what he gets is, oh, well,
the cops say.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
We can't go in there. You go in there.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
If you see your stuff, you can grab it yourself.
Won is not alone. All the businesses at the retail
plaza have been broken into. The camps just keep getting
bigger and bigger. Who who are the brain dead boneheads
idiots who are running San Bernardino. Who's the mayor, who's
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on the city council. Why are the people of San
Bernardino allowing any of this? What is wrong with the mayor?
And what is wrong with city council? What is wrong
with the police chief? Are you all insane? He got
a guy trying to make a living running up running
up a game arcade, and the homeless people bust in
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like they bust into every single business in that shopping district.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
They take what they want. He goes to try to
get it back in the cup. So we're going in there.
We're not alone. Yes, you're allowed the Supreme courts that
you're allowed. Here's what these guys do.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Luna says that these homeless freaks masturbate in front of
the windows of the neighboring hair salon. Imagine that you're
sitting get your hair done, and what's that on the window.
This is what the homeless guys do all day, mentally ill,
completely out of their minds, drugged out, crazy, violent, dropping
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their pants, masturbating on the windows of the hair salon
to entertain the female customers there.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And the mayor and.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
The city council of San Bernardino and the police chief,
they don't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
California. I want to get there.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I want to get You know what, if we can
find out the name of the guy who is giving
news somem a hard time, I'd like to get him
on the air. That is the first time in six
years I've heard anybody get aggressive with Newsom. And of
course he responds with a minute of word salad because
he has no response when he's confronted. I can only
remember one other time where a female TV reporter up
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in Fresno confronted him about something the four or five
years ago. Took him by surprise with an aggressive question
and he was stumbling and bumbling and stuttering. But but, but, book,
he can't answer anything when challenged. It's like when when
Ron DeSantis and Sean Hannity teamed up on them and
in that debate, same thing. He doesn't have any answers
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when challenged. It's very slow mind. He can't think quickly.
He doesn't have any answers because his policy suck and
he can't defend them. All these progressive policies suck. It's
terrible to live this way. No other state in the
Union is going to be living like this. You'll see
in about five years, most of America is going to
be in a different place because people have woke up.
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They're not intimidated anymore. That's scared anymore by all this
woke garbage. All right, we come back. Brad Garrett, ABC
News crime expert, terrorism expert. He's going to talk about
that shooting of the health executive.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
In New York.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
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Brian Thompson is the United Healthcare CEO gunned down outside
the Hilton Hotel in New York City, and the photos
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there's videos all over the internet.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Now what happened and who is the guy who did
it and why?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, we're going to talk trying to piece together some
clues with Brad Garrett, ABC News Crime and Terrorism analyst Brad.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
I'm good, John, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
One of the many fascinating things about this case the
shots that the gunman fired at Thompson. Three of the
rounds and shellcasings were engraved with the words denied, depose,
and defend. And there was a book out, as you know,
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some years ago entitled Delay, Deny, Defend A little different.
The subtitle wide insurance Companies don't pay claims and what
you can do about it. It's written by Jay Feynman,
who is a professor at Rutgers. Do the police really
think that there is a direct connection here to the
philosophy the anger out there against insurance companies?
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You know, I think the general belief is this is
about the insurance companies. Now, now in what aspect me,
you know, that's not clear. But if you think about
the time that this shooter had to take to etch
that on the casings, knowing they would be kicked down
on the ground, knowing that the police would pick them up.
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You know, it's just a big statement. And I think
if you couple that with where the shooter committed this crime,
I mean, this is a really high risk thing to
do in the middle of Manhattan during the day, people
are rushing to work, thousands of people on the sidewalk.
He even stands there for a number of minutes until
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Brian shows up and then eventually shoots him in the back.
It suggests to me that all of this is to
make some sort of statement, to draw attention to this
particular healthcare company, where you know, Brian may or may
not have been the actual target. He just represents, obviously
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as a CEO this company, and this shooter may have
a beef with the assurance company, which a lot of
people do obviously. So yes, I I do think it
sort of lends itself in that direction. And I'll tell
you this shooter had some proficiencies, but he also left
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so many clues, and he did things like use a
weapon that's through World War Two that just basically has
a suppressor built into the weapon. That's why it's so long.
I mean, the last thing you want to do is
use things that her kids could be potentially much easier
found and or traced. And that's one item along with
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the shellcasings. You know, we'll have to see if they're
able to link those in some way. But the point
being their clues that he didn't need to leave or
did he really have to gimit this crime at that location,
I don't know, but it certainly has that flavor to it.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
What do you think was he the angry guy or
was he hired by some other angry guy?
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I would say based on the weapon that he used,
the ash on the casings. Now, whoever hired him, I
suppose could have done that, but it certainly feels like
this maybe is not a murder for hiring. I can't
roll that out because I don't know enough, but certainly
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I would lean more towards it at this point, only
based on the evidence that we know at this hour
that you know, this is personal. This is a revenge
shooting by someone that was harmed or had a loved
one harmed by this insurance company.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
There's other things swirling in his life.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
The company was getting investigated by the Department of Justice
for anti trust violations. He was getting investigated along with
other executives. They sold a one hundred and seventeen million
dollars in stock after getting inside word about some bad news.
He and his wife had been separated for some years.
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I mean, he had a kind of a messy life
going on at the moment.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Right which may be totally unrelated as to what happened
to him. We'll have to see. Now. My wife made
a comment that that he has received threats not further
to find. Course, that doesn't surprise me. I mean he's
in a line of work that they anger a lot
of people. Maybe my claims they won't ensure people, you know,
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people that might be in dire straits medically, and so
we'll have to see. But I think we'll have to see.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Thompson was going to speak at the at the Hilton,
an investor conference for United Healthcare, so he had a
presentation that he was going to deliver later that morning.
So the guy did did his research and rented at
a room at a hostel nearby. But he certainly was
sloppy in getting a coffee and power bars from a
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Starbucks and then leaving the rappers and the coffee cup
in a nearby trash can.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I mean that sort of goes to how unsophisticated and
perhaps naive and or I'll throw in one other things.
Maybe doesn't care. Maybe he doesn't care if he gets caught,
we'll have to see again. This really goes john to motive,
and his motive being I have been harmed or my
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family members have been harmed, and this company needs to
know that those of us harm are serious, and we're
going to draw attention to your company. And that clearly
did that. Now you know, well that effect you know
their bottom line one with the other. Probably not, but
I think this is this is all about making a statement.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
He also lost his phone along the way, and they
got a search warrant to go through the contents. If
he's got a security code on the phone, how difficult
is it for the police used to get in there
and see who he was a calling and who he
was messaging with.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Well, they may have to get the FBI to help
them there. And it may well have been a burner phone.
Who knows if he was smart it was a burner phone.
And so he doesn't care if you have it because
it may only show you know, very limited phone calls
to people. He doesn't care whether they know about them
or not. However, there is a photograph of him. I
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don't remember if it was before I think it's before
the shooting, walking down a street on a cell phone,
presumably the one you're talking about. So you know, all
of that will be interesting if you can get into
the phone. You know, as to is does that have
any relevance as to what happened?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
They must be doing just a massive investigation right now.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Oh big.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
I mean I have done these investigations where you have
to have twenty five things going at the same time.
You can't do one and go to the next. You
have to divide it up. You know. Obviously NYPD is
driving full speed ahead to catch this guy, and they're
probably the lead and following all of those clues, getting
the FBI probably to help them with out of state
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interviews and the tech stuff. And then you're gonna have
to have somebody look at threats against Brian Thompson and
also the company, because my guess is there are a
lot of those and to look at to see if
they are connected in some way to this case. A
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lot to do or really a lot to do, and
so we'll see. But they seem to be making some progress.
It's not really fully defined at this point, but I
think they're they're chipping their way towards him.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It's one of those cases.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's obviously tragic, but it's just instantly fascinating.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't know why there is Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Mean because it has so many elements to it where
it happened to, it happened to of etchings on the
case scene, the unique obscure World War II weapon that
even somebody described as a sniper's weapon. All right, I'm sorry,
as an assassin's weapon because the suppressor muffled the sounds,
(31:21):
you know, like a silencer would have been a more
modern day gun. So it's yeah, it has all sorts
of to.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Us, Rad, thanks for coming on with us.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
You're welcome here, John Brad Garrett.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He is the crime and Terrorism Expert analyst with ABC News.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
You're listening to John Cobel on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Apparently there's a lot of people celebrating the murder of
the CEO.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Brian Thompson.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
The TikTok comments have been thoughts and coopays to your family.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh no, yeah, people are just off.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I guess this was always there, we just didn't have
social media to expose.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It thoughts and prior authorizations. Oh man, that's a rough
crowd out there, you imagine. Yeah, guy has got two
kids he's leaving behind at home. I mean, what do you?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What do you.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's terrible.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm just I'm just reading this story here about all
the crazy posts.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
We have timpuing dong with you ding dong doctor Lucy
Jones and me coming on at four forty five.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That'll be cool. Talk about that earthquake.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
You know, when they say it's a seven point zero
earthquake in northern California, think, oh wow, half the states
wiped out, and then you realize, okay, it's off the coast.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You know exactly. We didn't even get a student homie
at it. That's right.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
But in talking to Lucy Jones, I know you talked
to her at the top of your show. Did she say
did she give you any indication whether there's a four
show pre shock or no shock?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I don't know. I didn't talk to her. Oh I
thought you did. No, did Gary and Shannon talk to her?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You're drinking again.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
I get your show mixed up with Gary and Shannon
all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's very common. Didn't you guys do a show together.
You and Shannon, Yes, she was going to be part
of things. Yeah, that was some years ago. And okay,
Dean Sharp is coming on with us. He's great.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
He knows nothing about earthquakes, but he knows a lot
about homes, which is cool. And then we still have
this crazy story this Brian Thompson, the CEO of Big
you know by United Health, and that's it, you know,
I think gets pointed towards, as you said, people that
are getting hosed by these insurance companies. I looked up
or Bellio looked up last night. Thirty two percent. It's
(33:44):
up to thirty two percent of initial claims are denied
that much.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's a lot. Yeah, I know, Well we've had our share.
We've had our share as.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, and there's nobody to appeal to.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
No, and if you sue them, then you're not going
to get insurance anywhere. So it's a very fine line
between you know, going what you should get and then
you know, I mean if you personally do it, like
if you have you know, somebody you know step in
and a lawyer and try to do that for you.
I think that's the way to go. But you try
to do it yourself is impossible. I know you're gonna
spend a lot of money on the lawyer. Well, and
(34:15):
probably more than you're denied claim. Yeah, as long as
you know, if you got to get a lawyer that
will do it and not take a cut until you
get paid. Yeah, that's the way to go. Like what's
his name, Sweet James? Right, Sweet James, Sweet James. He
I don't want to turw this to a Sweet James commercial,
But my wife's brother got into an accident. He took
(34:36):
over the case, and I got him a pot of money,
no kidding. I got a package, as they call it,
the track. Wow, yeah, a package.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Good. You got first hand endorsement.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
I didn't get any of the money though, Well, I
got squeezed out of the final check.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I thought i'd get a taste, you know, nothing nothing,
not even like one percent. Nothing nothing from this guy.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
And then we got well the latest on the numbers
from the UH postathon as well.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
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All right, Well, we're gonna talk after three point thirty
with Brad Garrett. He's the ABC News crime and terrorism
analyst expert about the shooting in Manhattan of the CEO
of United Healthcare, Brian Thompson. There is new video and
photos coming out almost every hour because there are probably
(00:52):
thousands of cameras in New York City that either take
security photos or security video and they're piecing it all
together and published it. Got a clear look at this
guy's face now because he stopped at a Starbucks and
bought some coffee and some protein bars, and he threw
the coffee cup and the wrappers in the garbage. So
(01:14):
now they have his DNA. He also dropped his phone
along the way. They got that and they got a
search warrant to open up the contents, assuming they could
get past the security in an iPhone.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So we'll talk to Brad Garrett.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
About piecing together the clues as to who did this
and why they did this. I mean he engraved. He
engraved words on three of the bullets and it was
very close to the title of a book about how
insurance companies screw you over when you make a claim.
(01:50):
So maybe the wife knew what she was talking about
when she said it might have had something to do
with someone not getting a claim approved. Also turns out
that she and Brian Thompson have been living apart for years,
which may explain her muted response to the to the killing.
All that coming up ahead, But first, and this is
new got Word. This morning, the Gavin Newsom was going
(02:17):
to have a news conference at noon. He was visiting
the border down in San Diego and he was supposed
to touch on transnational commerce I guess you know, the economic
commerce between Mexico and California, and he was also going
to talk about border security. You mentioned border security from
(02:42):
this goof that has repeatedly enforced California's sanctuary state status
and bragged about it and has got all sanctimonious about it,
like Karen Bass does in the La City Council. Everybody's
so proud of being a sactuary state, and nobody cares
(03:02):
if you've got gang members in terrorists running around, why
they don't want to help out The FEDS capture the
criminals and then and then they go around telling us, well,
my job is to keep Californian safe. I heard this
today because he, you know, he responded immediately to the
tsunami warning, ran right to the beach wearing one of
(03:24):
his tight black T shirts and he was going to
stop the tsunami with his bare hands.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Sound a little jealous, John.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
If he got hit by the tsunami would have created
an instant oil slick. Anyway, back to the California Mexico border.
So he's at the border and he's talking to reporters
and I haven't heard this yet. This just came out,
and the reporter asks him about tariffs. You know, Trump
is threatening tariffs against Mexico, Canada, and China if they
(03:54):
don't help with the border situation. And they also started
asking him about the impending rising gas prices, you know,
which could go up anywhere from sixty to ninety cents
a gallon next year. So I don't know what's coming.
We're gonna play cut number five. Newsim at the border.
What do you feel is still the maybe the misunderstanding
(04:16):
the public has in terms of how this tariff will
impact their daily lives.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They don't know what tariff means. What I asked nine,
I tell people it's a tariff. They said, oh you know,
I said, no, what is it? Tariff's a tax that
you pay for and not even complicated. Is one of
the biggest tax increases in US history that this guy,
Donald Trump just proposed. That's a hell of a thing. Yeah,
(04:45):
that is disproportionately impacts you. Impacts the cost of oil
and petroleum. You're upset about costs of oil. It directly
impacts the cost of oil. Impacts the cost of medical drugs, all.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right, just the cost stop. Stop.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He is so disgusting. He is such a freaking liar.
Oh my god, what a liar he is. Gavin Newsom
signed a series of laws so that the taxes are
going to go up ninety gas prices are going up
ninety cents a gallon, and he's trying to blame it
on Trump. He is passing sign he's signing a law.
(05:31):
Let me get this right. He gave the California Airress
Resources Board the authority to pass a low carbon fuel
price increase. It's a low carbon fuel standard to fight
their stupid climate change. And so they pass this the
(05:53):
Air Resources Board. They're unelected, they're all appointed by Newsom,
and the price is going to go up sixty five
cents next year. The refoil refineries have to use this
low carbon fuel standard, which doesn't exist anywhere else, only
here in California. He appointed the California Air Resources Board
(06:18):
to do this, and they ricked this board so they
have the power to raise gas prices without it going
up for a vote by the legislature or Newsome signing
a bill. But Newsom signed other bills. One which requires
(06:39):
the oil companies to put away a gas reserve that's
going to add up to twenty seven cents a gallon
of gas. There's also an automatic sales tax increase that's
going to hit Youuly the first and there's a fourth one.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
There's a fourth increase too.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
All this is from Newsom in the legislature or through
the California Air Resources Board. And out of the twelve
members who voted for the gas price increase, eleven of
the twelve were appointed by Newsom, and Newsom in the
legislature can block this price increase, but they're not going to.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They refuse to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And then this stinking, oily, greasy liar goes to the
border and tells reporters that it's Trump's tariffs.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
What is he nuts?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
All the oil that's imported here into California is not affected.
First of all, no tariffs have been imposed. Trump threatened
a tariff if they don't comply and help us with
border control. Last I heard, the Mexican president has agreed
to do it, and so has the Canadian Prime minister.
(08:04):
So there might not be any tariffs at all on
Canada and Mexico if they play ball and help shut
down the border. And they have in the past. They
did it for Trump before, they did it to a
certain extent, even for a feeble old bike. So they'll
do it. We have more power than they, he is
intentionally like and the reporters standing around him, at least
(08:25):
up to this point.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I'm a tape.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Are too stupid to even know the background here, Ah
play more.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Of this impacts the cost of medical drugs, impacts the
cost of food. It's a tax that you pay for.
And you know what, most regressive tax that exists, in
the modest revenue it generates, is to offset a massive
tax cut for billionaires and corporations.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's what he's proposing.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You can't make this up.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, well you did. Actually you did make it up.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And he kind of gives away himself at the beginning
where he says people don't know what tariffs are. Ask
nine out of ten people, they don't know what the
word tariff means. He knows most people don't keep track
of this. He knows that if he says Donald Trump
cost the ninety ninety cent a gallon increase, a lot
of people say, oh, that's bad, Why did Trump do that?
(09:28):
Because they don't pay attention to the details, and the
idiots in the media here cover it for a very short.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Time or not at all.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So he knows how ignorant much of the public is,
so he mocks them at first and then proceeds to
exploit the average person's ignorance by blaming the gas price
increase on Trump. If most people don't know what tariffs are,
certainly most people don't know about the California Air Resources
(09:56):
Board and the Low Carbon Fuel standard, and that's sixty
five send a gallon increase and the requirement to keep
an oil reserve that's going to drive up prices another
twenty seven cents, or the automatic sales tax increase in July.
All right, Now, let's play cut number number six here. Uh,
this all right, this is this is a little this
(10:18):
is a big bowl, a big word salad.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Hope you got some dressing?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
All right? This stuff makes me crazy. Go ahead, play it.
So what happened a month ago today? What went wrong?
How did Democrats get shown the door so badly? What
would you have done differently?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, Harris, I appreciate it, and I hope you can appreciate.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
If I appear a little political, it's because I'm intentionally
trying to be by not answering your question.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And what I mean by that is I'm with John
Stewart who wisely said, uh, be patient. Uh, what happened
will be revealed, and it won't be revealed in the
hours and days and weeks and even months after an election.
What is this that will absorb a deeper understanding over time?
(11:09):
And that's the approach I'm taking. I wrote out, I'm
not making this up. There's about six pages I have
in notes my mother and Dad's grave in the car
of everybody's punditry that completely contradicts everyone else's punditry about
what happened. And I did that purposely from my own
absorption and edification.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That will reveal itself.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I don't have a clear answer to it, and so
as a consequence, I won't attempt to answer.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
What was the question what went wrong for the Democrats
and Kamala on a month ago today?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And that was his answer.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Everybody knows the answers is pretty simple. There's the ten
million people going across the border. It was the price
of food going up thirty percent in the last three years.
There's all this woke bull crap that covers most of it.
Everyone is sick of left wing progressive economics, left wing
(12:22):
progressive border policies, left wing progressive rules on what you're
supposed to say, and think, Oh my.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
God, I want to see what these six pages of
notes he said that he has that he swore on
his mother and father's grave.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, that's serious. That is the worst word salad I've heard.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Out of him. It was worse than any of Kamala's.
That was like a big bowl of kale here. That
was terrible. All right. I might want to play that again.
Keep that around.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
No problem.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
For people to miss that.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I knew you were gonna love these. I was strolling,
I was scrolling Twitter during the break and just saw
him and I was like, Oh, John's gonna love these?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
How do you even talk like that? How are you
capable of talking like that? All Right? We got more
coming up. Brad Garrett from ABC News on the healthcare
executive shot to death in New York.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Try to put together all the clues and the evidence.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Just for the record, so you don't think I'm crazy
if you hadn't heard this. It is a ninety cent increase,
and sixty five cents is coming from the California Air
Resources Board. We're talking gas prices, and that's all appointed
by Newsom. And then there's another twenty seven cents a
gallon because Newsom is requiring oil refineries to keep a
(13:51):
reserve of extra gasoline.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
There's no reason for that. Third thing is.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Phillip sixty six is closing two of it's refineries because
of all the onerous climate regulations in California. Again, that's
Newsom's fault. So we're going to lose eight percent of
our refinery capacity. That's going to drive up the price
fourteen cents. So you got sixty five cents from the
(14:18):
Air Resources Board, you got twenty seven cents from this
law requiring a gas reserve, fourteen cents from Phillips sixty
six closing refineries, and then you have another few cents
coming in July because of this automatic gas tax increase
that Newsom signed. All right, So it's all Newsom, California Legislature,
(14:41):
California Air Resources Board, which is appointed by Newsom, it's
all of them driving up the oil prices. And he
had the gall Gavin Newsom at the border today to
blame Trump's tariffs. That is complete bull crap. He is
a stinking, thinking liar. And somebody on a call um
(15:02):
on it, and I who was that who had the
second question about why the Democrats lose? Because that didn't
sound like a reporter.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I didn't see any reporter names on from the questions
we got.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We gotta play this again. I enjoyed that too much.
All right, So this this is somebody challenging Newsom. Hey,
you know why the Democrats lose because Newsom is on
this weird island. The whole country is fed up with
progressive politics, fed freaking up, and we're still getting hammered
over the head with it here with their climate change
(15:34):
garbage and their sanctuary city nonsense. Nobody wants to live
like this. This is a real Newsome answer. This is
not edited in any way or enhanced in any way.
You'll hear it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
What happened a month ago today? What went wrong? How
did Democrats get shown the door so valid? What would
you have done differently?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I appreciate it, and I hope you can appreciate. If
I appear a little political, it's because I'm intentionally trying
to be by not answering your question. And what I
mean by that is I'm with John Stewart, who wisely said.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Be patient.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
What happened will be revealed, and it won't be revealed
in the hours and days and weeks and even months
after an election that will absorb a deeper understanding over time.
And that's the approach I'm taking. I wrote out, I'm
not making this up. There's about six pages I have
in notes my mother and Dad's grave in the car
(16:40):
of everybody's punditry that completely contradicts everyone else's punditry about
what happened. And I did that purposely for my own
absorption and edification that it will reveal itself.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I don't have a.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Clear answer to it, and so as a consequence, I
won't attempt to answer.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I wonder how long until it reveals itself.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's like some kind of biblical revelation that we're supposed
to wait for.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
The rapture is gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
You.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Somebody's gonna fly down out of the clouds with the answer.
Your gas prices are going up ninety cents a gallon
next year. There's your answer. There's your big reveal. Here's
another example. It was in the New York Post of
California's progressive idiocy. This is happening in San Bernardino. Story
(17:30):
is about a guy named Will Luna. He's trying to
run a business. He runs an old fashioned video arcade
where you could play old video games. I guess maybe
pinball machines.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Either.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
A local homeless encampment is nearby, and a bunch of
thugs from the encampment broke in and robbed and trashed
will Luna's arcade. Somebody spotted the loot in the encampment
and Luna went inside and he found some of the
(18:05):
stolen merchandise. So he goes to the cops and here
in woke world in San Bernardino, here's what the cops say.
We can't go inside, but you can. I guess under
San Bernardino policy, they're not allowed to enter the tents,
or move the tents or get the stolen merchandise out
(18:28):
of the tents, but Luna can.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Luna could risk his life.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So Luna went in the tents and recovered some of it.
It was thousands of dollars of PlayStation and Nintendo consoles
and our old arcade games of an X Men X
Men arcade game. The Supreme Court had ruled that these
homeless encampments can be shut down, dismantled, shut down.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
In San Bernardino.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
They're allowing them to exist, and they're enabling the criminals
who are robbing the small business owners. And then when
the when the guy complains, what he gets is, oh, well,
the cops say.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
We can't go in there. You go in there.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
If you see your stuff, you can grab it yourself.
Won is not alone. All the businesses at the retail
plaza have been broken into. The camps just keep getting
bigger and bigger. Who who are the brain dead boneheads
idiots who are running San Bernardino. Who's the mayor, who's
(19:38):
on the city council. Why are the people of San
Bernardino allowing any of this? What is wrong with the mayor?
And what is wrong with city council? What is wrong
with the police chief? Are you all insane? He got
a guy trying to make a living running up running
up a game arcade, and the homeless people bust in
(19:59):
like they bust into every single business in that shopping district.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
They take what they want. He goes to try to
get it back in the cup. So we're going in there.
We're not alone. Yes, you're allowed the Supreme courts that
you're allowed. Here's what these guys do.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Luna says that these homeless freaks masturbate in front of
the windows of the neighboring hair salon. Imagine that you're
sitting get your hair done, and what's that on the window.
This is what the homeless guys do all day, mentally ill,
completely out of their minds, drugged out, crazy, violent, dropping
(20:43):
their pants, masturbating on the windows of the hair salon
to entertain the female customers there.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And the mayor and.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
The city council of San Bernardino and the police chief,
they don't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
California. I want to get there.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I want to get You know what, if we can
find out the name of the guy who is giving
news somem a hard time, I'd like to get him
on the air. That is the first time in six
years I've heard anybody get aggressive with Newsom. And of
course he responds with a minute of word salad because
he has no response when he's confronted. I can only
remember one other time where a female TV reporter up
(21:26):
in Fresno confronted him about something the four or five
years ago. Took him by surprise with an aggressive question
and he was stumbling and bumbling and stuttering. But but, but, book,
he can't answer anything when challenged. It's like when when
Ron DeSantis and Sean Hannity teamed up on them and
in that debate, same thing. He doesn't have any answers
(21:47):
when challenged. It's very slow mind. He can't think quickly.
He doesn't have any answers because his policy suck and
he can't defend them. All these progressive policies suck. It's
terrible to live this way. No other state in the
Union is going to be living like this. You'll see
in about five years, most of America is going to
be in a different place because people have woke up.
(22:07):
They're not intimidated anymore. That's scared anymore by all this
woke garbage. All right, we come back. Brad Garrett, ABC
News crime expert, terrorism expert. He's going to talk about
that shooting of the health executive.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
In New York.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am six.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Forty on every day from one until four, and if
you missed anything today, you get to the podcast posted
on the iHeart aff John Cobelt Show on demand. All right,
Brian Thompson is the United Healthcare CEO gunned down outside
the Hilton Hotel in New York City, and the photos
(22:45):
there's videos all over the internet.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Now what happened and who is the guy who did
it and why?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, we're going to talk trying to piece together some
clues with Brad Garrett, ABC News Crime and Terrorism analyst Brad.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
I'm good, John, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
One of the many fascinating things about this case the
shots that the gunman fired at Thompson. Three of the
rounds and shellcasings were engraved with the words denied, depose,
and defend. And there was a book out, as you know,
(23:21):
some years ago entitled Delay, Deny, Defend A little different.
The subtitle wide insurance Companies don't pay claims and what
you can do about it. It's written by Jay Feynman,
who is a professor at Rutgers. Do the police really
think that there is a direct connection here to the
philosophy the anger out there against insurance companies?
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You know, I think the general belief is this is
about the insurance companies. Now, now in what aspect me,
you know, that's not clear. But if you think about
the time that this shooter had to take to etch
that on the casings, knowing they would be kicked down
on the ground, knowing that the police would pick them up.
(24:03):
You know, it's just a big statement. And I think
if you couple that with where the shooter committed this crime,
I mean, this is a really high risk thing to
do in the middle of Manhattan during the day, people
are rushing to work, thousands of people on the sidewalk.
He even stands there for a number of minutes until
(24:24):
Brian shows up and then eventually shoots him in the back.
It suggests to me that all of this is to
make some sort of statement, to draw attention to this
particular healthcare company, where you know, Brian may or may
not have been the actual target. He just represents, obviously
(24:46):
as a CEO this company, and this shooter may have
a beef with the assurance company, which a lot of
people do obviously. So yes, I I do think it
sort of lends itself in that direction. And I'll tell
you this shooter had some proficiencies, but he also left
(25:10):
so many clues, and he did things like use a
weapon that's through World War Two that just basically has
a suppressor built into the weapon. That's why it's so long.
I mean, the last thing you want to do is
use things that her kids could be potentially much easier
found and or traced. And that's one item along with
(25:33):
the shellcasings. You know, we'll have to see if they're
able to link those in some way. But the point
being their clues that he didn't need to leave or
did he really have to gimit this crime at that location,
I don't know, but it certainly has that flavor to it.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
What do you think was he the angry guy or
was he hired by some other angry guy?
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I would say based on the weapon that he used,
the ash on the casings. Now, whoever hired him, I
suppose could have done that, but it certainly feels like
this maybe is not a murder for hiring. I can't
roll that out because I don't know enough, but certainly
(26:17):
I would lean more towards it at this point, only
based on the evidence that we know at this hour
that you know, this is personal. This is a revenge
shooting by someone that was harmed or had a loved
one harmed by this insurance company.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
There's other things swirling in his life.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
The company was getting investigated by the Department of Justice
for anti trust violations. He was getting investigated along with
other executives. They sold a one hundred and seventeen million
dollars in stock after getting inside word about some bad news.
He and his wife had been separated for some years.
(26:58):
I mean, he had a kind of a messy life
going on at the moment.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Right which may be totally unrelated as to what happened
to him. We'll have to see. Now. My wife made
a comment that that he has received threats not further
to find. Course, that doesn't surprise me. I mean he's
in a line of work that they anger a lot
of people. Maybe my claims they won't ensure people, you know,
(27:26):
people that might be in dire straits medically, and so
we'll have to see. But I think we'll have to see.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Thompson was going to speak at the at the Hilton,
an investor conference for United Healthcare, so he had a
presentation that he was going to deliver later that morning.
So the guy did did his research and rented at
a room at a hostel nearby. But he certainly was
sloppy in getting a coffee and power bars from a
(28:00):
Starbucks and then leaving the rappers and the coffee cup
in a nearby trash can.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I mean that sort of goes to how unsophisticated and
perhaps naive and or I'll throw in one other things.
Maybe doesn't care. Maybe he doesn't care if he gets caught,
we'll have to see again. This really goes john to motive,
and his motive being I have been harmed or my
(28:27):
family members have been harmed, and this company needs to
know that those of us harm are serious, and we're
going to draw attention to your company. And that clearly
did that. Now you know, well that effect you know
their bottom line one with the other. Probably not, but
I think this is this is all about making a statement.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
He also lost his phone along the way, and they
got a search warrant to go through the contents. If
he's got a security code on the phone, how difficult
is it for the police used to get in there
and see who he was a calling and who he
was messaging with.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Well, they may have to get the FBI to help
them there. And it may well have been a burner phone.
Who knows if he was smart it was a burner phone.
And so he doesn't care if you have it because
it may only show you know, very limited phone calls
to people. He doesn't care whether they know about them
or not. However, there is a photograph of him. I
(29:30):
don't remember if it was before I think it's before
the shooting, walking down a street on a cell phone,
presumably the one you're talking about. So you know, all
of that will be interesting if you can get into
the phone. You know, as to is does that have
any relevance as to what happened?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
They must be doing just a massive investigation right now.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Oh big.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
I mean I have done these investigations where you have
to have twenty five things going at the same time.
You can't do one and go to the next. You
have to divide it up. You know. Obviously NYPD is
driving full speed ahead to catch this guy, and they're
probably the lead and following all of those clues, getting
the FBI probably to help them with out of state
(30:15):
interviews and the tech stuff. And then you're gonna have
to have somebody look at threats against Brian Thompson and
also the company, because my guess is there are a
lot of those and to look at to see if
they are connected in some way to this case. A
(30:36):
lot to do or really a lot to do, and
so we'll see. But they seem to be making some progress.
It's not really fully defined at this point, but I
think they're they're chipping their way towards him.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It's one of those cases.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's obviously tragic, but it's just instantly fascinating.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't know why there is Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Mean because it has so many elements to it where
it happened to, it happened to of etchings on the
case scene, the unique obscure World War II weapon that
even somebody described as a sniper's weapon. All right, I'm sorry,
as an assassin's weapon because the suppressor muffled the sounds,
(31:21):
you know, like a silencer would have been a more
modern day gun. So it's yeah, it has all sorts
of to.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Us, Rad, thanks for coming on with us.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
You're welcome here, John Brad Garrett.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He is the crime and Terrorism Expert analyst with ABC News.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
You're listening to John Cobel on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Apparently there's a lot of people celebrating the murder of
the CEO.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Brian Thompson.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
The TikTok comments have been thoughts and coopays to your family.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh no, yeah, people are just off.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I guess this was always there, we just didn't have
social media to expose.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It thoughts and prior authorizations. Oh man, that's a rough
crowd out there, you imagine. Yeah, guy has got two
kids he's leaving behind at home. I mean, what do you?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What do you.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's terrible.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm just I'm just reading this story here about all
the crazy posts.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
We have timpuing dong with you ding dong doctor Lucy
Jones and me coming on at four forty five.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That'll be cool. Talk about that earthquake.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
You know, when they say it's a seven point zero
earthquake in northern California, think, oh wow, half the states
wiped out, and then you realize, okay, it's off the coast.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You know exactly. We didn't even get a student homie
at it. That's right.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
But in talking to Lucy Jones, I know you talked
to her at the top of your show. Did she say
did she give you any indication whether there's a four
show pre shock or no shock?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I don't know. I didn't talk to her. Oh I
thought you did. No, did Gary and Shannon talk to her?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You're drinking again.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
I get your show mixed up with Gary and Shannon
all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's very common. Didn't you guys do a show together.
You and Shannon, Yes, she was going to be part
of things. Yeah, that was some years ago. And okay,
Dean Sharp is coming on with us. He's great.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
He knows nothing about earthquakes, but he knows a lot
about homes, which is cool. And then we still have
this crazy story this Brian Thompson, the CEO of Big
you know by United Health, and that's it, you know,
I think gets pointed towards, as you said, people that
are getting hosed by these insurance companies. I looked up
or Bellio looked up last night. Thirty two percent. It's
(33:44):
up to thirty two percent of initial claims are denied
that much.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's a lot. Yeah, I know, Well we've had our share.
We've had our share as.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, and there's nobody to appeal to.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
No, and if you sue them, then you're not going
to get insurance anywhere. So it's a very fine line
between you know, going what you should get and then
you know, I mean if you personally do it, like
if you have you know, somebody you know step in
and a lawyer and try to do that for you.
I think that's the way to go. But you try
to do it yourself is impossible. I know you're gonna
spend a lot of money on the lawyer. Well, and
(34:15):
probably more than you're denied claim. Yeah, as long as
you know, if you got to get a lawyer that
will do it and not take a cut until you
get paid. Yeah, that's the way to go. Like what's
his name, Sweet James? Right, Sweet James, Sweet James. He
I don't want to turw this to a Sweet James commercial,
But my wife's brother got into an accident. He took
(34:36):
over the case, and I got him a pot of money,
no kidding. I got a package, as they call it,
the track. Wow, yeah, a package.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Good. You got first hand endorsement.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
I didn't get any of the money though, Well, I
got squeezed out of the final check.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I thought i'd get a taste, you know, nothing nothing,
not even like one percent. Nothing nothing from this guy.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
And then we got well the latest on the numbers
from the UH postathon as well.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All right, Conway's coming up next.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
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