December 13, 2024 • 34 mins
News Nation’s Alex Caprariello and Ashleigh Banfield spoke exclusively with prison inmates who called for Luigi’s freedom and that his condition sucks. Alex Caprariello joins John to talk about the incident outside the prison. John continues to break down Luigi Mangione’s life and what could have led to his breaking point.
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three twenty and three fifteen, and we're going to open
up with the story that's been dominating the news for
the last week and a half. And there was a
strange moment last night on News Nation, the cable news channel.
Ashley Benfield has a show and alex Caapriello, the reporter
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who we've had on our show a number of times
in the last year, he was doing a report from
the State Correctional Institution Huntington in Pennsylvania. That's where Luigi
Mangione is being held as as presumably an extradition hearing. Well.
While Caprello Capriello was doing the report, inmates started shouting,
(01:09):
We're gonna play you a clip of what it sounds like.
So this is a Capriello and Ashley Banfield, and you're
gonna hear the prison that they're they're speaking with prison
inmates here.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
This is just from a few hours ago, and here
they are ten o'clock as promised they said earlier today.
Tell Ashley Banfield that Luigi is watching at ten o'clock.
I mean, obviously, you know that's just a hard roast
at this point because they're not near Luigi in any way.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Can I just ask the guys if they can hear
me right now to answer yes or no very loud?
Does Luigi have television in his single cell?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They said no, Right, Obviously we have a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Of a delay that they're getting.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
They're getting the questions and they're and they're giving us
the answer to you does not have Wow, this is
quite something. This is the strangest interview I've ever conducted.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Me too, Ashley.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Uh, you know, according to the Department of Corrections, he's
got his own solitary cell. It's not solitary confinement, but
he's by himself. It's not dorm style. I'm not sure
exactly what those guys got going on in terms of
a living situation. It sounds like they're all clustered together.
Isn't it interesting to see with the accommodations that they have.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
They got their own light switches.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
They're obviously watching TV past any sort of ten o'clock curfew,
you know.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, they're they're doing this at this very moment.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
All right, that's Alex Capriello, Ashley Benfield a News Nation.
We have Alex with us on the line. Now, Alex,
how are you hey?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well. That was probably a first hime.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh my gosh, yeah it was. It was one of
the most surreal experiences I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So they had the TV on tune to your channel
so they could hear you and Ashley talking and asking questions,
and then they were shouting the answers.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, really ironic in a way. We're fighting every single
day to get more and more TVs to have News
Nation on their table provider, and then meanwhile we find
out the Huntington inmates most certainly have News Nation as
one of their options on their personal TVs inside their cells,
and so earlier in the day, you know, those guys
are yelling out their windows at me as I was
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doing other you know, TV hits for other shows other
than Banfield and and so it kind of dawned on me.
I think these guys are watching me live, and so
they were yelling out and you know, saying.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Hey, good job, Alex.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And then you know, they mentioned Banfield specifically out the window.
I'm not sure if that's maybe one of their favorite
programs on News nations. So then when ten o'clock rolled
around and there I can look up and it's nighttime
now I can look through their windows and see Ashley's
face on them the TV. You know, that was confirmation.
Oh my gosh, they really are watching it live. And
that's how this you know, organic live interview with hundreds
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of inmates played out.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ten o'clock seems late for inmates, isn't Isn't there a
curf there?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah? Yeah, trust me, I've been covering law and order
for quite some time now, I've you know, ever prison
is different, but I was certainly shocked that they have
TV privileges past ten o'clock.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
What kind of state prison is this? I mean, how
what kind of are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean it's it's maximum security. It's especially for
Luigi Mangoni right now. But it's Pennsylvania's oldest operating prison. So,
I mean there's questions still that remain about, you know,
the conditions in there and how things are going. But
we know at least some things are true that some
of these single cells, which is the cell block that
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was the one that was yelling out at us, they
have single cells, mostly one inmate to a cell, sometimes too.
But yeah, they got their own TVs. They clearly they
have their own lights, which is that they can turn
on and off. Towards the end of that live shot,
was that really remarkable moment when all of these inmates
were flashing their lights at us, showing, hey, we hear you,
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we're watching you, and we're speaking to you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Now, Luigi's conditions sucked. That's some of what they were
shouting at you.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, and I you know, we got to take it
with a grain of salt. I mean, Luigi is in
a completely separate, you know block as these guys. I'm
told that he's in a single cell far away from them.
So when they say, you know, Luisi's condition suck, or
Luigi says hello, or Luigi's watching news Nation, I think
that's just them. Happened a good time, But you know,
certainly it's it's entertaining for them and you know, if
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nothing else, it made them feel like they're a part
of society again, interacting with people on the outside.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So, Menjon is stuck there until the next hearing. Any
idea when that's going to be I imagine being an
extradition hearing.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yes, well, so the extradition initial extradition hearing happened already.
That was earlier this week. That's where we saw Thomas Dick,
who's been retained as the defense attorney for Manngioni, as
contesting that extradition. There have been some separate motions that
have been followed by the defense attorney, and I believe
those have been scheduled for December thirtieth. Earlier, when he
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had his first appearance, which was Monday, they set the
preliminary hearing for December twenty third, So I got to
check the court records to see if that hearing is
still on. But we have at least a few hearings
coming out at the end of the month.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
All right, Well, good job. That was entertainment. Usually you
don't get from a straight news cast. Alex Capriello News Nation, very.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Good, Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it, thanks.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
For coming on. They were also complaining that the food
is terrible those prisoners. The prison menu includes fruit grits,
scrambled eggs, and something called porcupine meatballs.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I have no clue what those.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Are made from actual porcupines.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Though, you know, I'm sorry now this is just me
talking out loud, But when you're in prison, I didn't
really know that you have a choice of what's good
and what's bad.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And you know, I don't know, it's not supposed to
be a good time, right, they're always complaining about the food.
It's like, here's a tip. Don't commit any felonies and
you won't have to eat any of the food.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You can choose your own food, you know, not behind bars.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The rest of us figure it out. It's like, you know,
when you're a kid, right, you probably run across a
story about how terrible the prison conditions are, and as
a kid, you go, I don't want to be any
part of that.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I mean, look, fruit, How can they be upset over fruits?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Gritscre porcupine meatballs is made from ground beef and rice.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Well you would like that? Yeah, I could live on
this porcupine meatballs.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, but I'm never sure what grits are. What is that?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Okay, I know what they are, but I was on
a Google it just to make sure. I'm saying we went.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
We were in North Carolina this summer and it was
on the menu at the hotel and I was looking
at it. I think I saw it. It looked like
a lot of goop.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Grits are a type of porridge made from coarsely ground
dried like corn.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Just the word porridge. Yeah that No, No, I'd rather
have the porcupine meatballs. I'd rather have the Now if
eventually he'll get extradited to New York and he may
end up getting transferred to Rikers Island to New York City,
which is boy oh boy, This Pennsylvania prison is going
to look like a four seasons hotel because Rikers is
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really bad and really violent. One of these stories that
quotes Jean Burrello, who used to be part of the
mob and he spent thirteen years behind bars, four years
at Rikers. He said Rikers is the most dangerous prison
in America. He said, if Mangion is treads there, he
will face bad food, unsanitary conditions. You have to watch
(09:06):
your back every day. There's no structure. It's just complete chaos.
It's non stop stabbings and gang violence, where cops are
scared to come to work. It's a place you want
to avoid. And we're gonna hear, you know, probably hear
from Luigi's gaggle of his harem of young women.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Are they going to go visit them there at Rikers?
I mean, can you get visitors there?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
A couple of them? Will that that Looney tune that
we played the other day where she went on for
about a mint and a half of But but they're
gonna they're gonna be upset that that Luigi's getting violated
in some way. It's like, hey, you know, don't shoot
executives in the back, you know, don't don't murder people.
Then you don't have to worry about getting attacked by
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crazy lunatics. I mean that I've heard about since I
was a kid. I grew up in New Jersey and
Rikers Island is an island full of psychotics.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Okay, didn't we do a story yesterday about a teacher
who was hired at some religious school who had been
to Rikers and they hired him because they wanted to
do the PC thing. Why they wanted to give him
a second chance, and then he had the child born.
He was at Rikers.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
He was at Rikers as soon as he comes out,
gets the job at a school and he's soliciting naked
photos from the young boys and girls in class. Yeah,
elementary school. Yes, so that that's what she got. That's
one of the people they released.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
She was a resident at Rikers.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Imagine the ones they don't release. Uh, well, we come
back there. There's a lot more about Luigi Benjio And
because they're they're they're looking into his his family and
and his background. What was he doing? It was gone
for about eight months. He dropped out of sight, didn't
speak to any friends or family. Parents especially mom, was
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desperately trying to find him and where was he? What
was he doing? There's some there's a new information. It's
it's it's fascinating. He really was wandering around lost and
apparently developed a tremendous amount of anger. We'll tell you
all about it when we come back.
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All Right, so now there's been a few days a
week actually since this whole this event, well since the shooting,
and it's been what four days since Luis mang Luigi
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Mangione was arrested. The media outlets have had a little
time to delve into his background to see how he
ended up, where he was and what the family's been doing.
He's been missing pretty much for eight months, and Kathy Mangione,
the mother, has been looking for him. He went off
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the grid about eight months ago, missing in action, and
she was doing everything she could to find him and couldn't.
She was trying to live her life normally. According to
the Wall Street Journal has a good story on this,
like the Saturday all right, the rest was Monday. On Saturday,
she had lunch at an Italian market with her friends.
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The next day, she and her husband, lou they attended
ceremony honoring one of her brothers at their church in
Little Italy in Baltimore, and it was a huge family.
I don't know if you've seen the family photo, but
I mean it looked like about fifty people in the photo.
He had sixteen aunts and uncles. Luigi Mangione because his
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dad had nine siblings and they all had kids, so
he has dozens of cousins. You know, they had dozens
of kids and grandkids, and it's just a tremendous family.
And in one of the family photos you'd see Luigi
Mangione smiling in the back row. Everybody is absolutely shocked.
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There is a man quoted in here, a family friend
named Joe Debasqually, and he last saw Mangione a year
or two ago. Depasqually has an Italian market and Depasqually
and his wife were so impressed with him and Luigi's
sisters when they were younger that they encouraged their own
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children to be more like them. Oh boy, the kids
had that. Let me tell you. Kids hate it when
there's cousins in the family or family friends and they're
used as models. Why aren't you more like them? Woof?
But in this case it was Luigi who was being
idolized by the deepasqualies. Joe said, we always modeled our
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kids on how they man Jones do. I drove my
kids crazy. They had plenty of money. Their home is
worth two million dollars. Which is a very expensive home
in the Baltimore suburbs. It's hard to it's hard to
understand that two million is expensive because here in la
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it's not even a starter home. As of twenty twenty two,
his dad, Lou, and all nine of Lou's brothers and
sisters worked for the golf clubs and nursing home chain
that their parents, Nick and Mary had built into this big,
sprawling enterprise. One friend, Giovanna Blatterman, is that a name,
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Giovanna Blatterman, sounds like a mixed marriage there, said, you
would not know they have money. They never flaunt anything.
But everybody in the family kept asking what's up with Luigi?
Where is he? What's he doing? Relatives were emailing many
of his friends, what do you know? Have you heard
from him? Nobody? They would post it online. He never responded.
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And the mengi Oones are very prominent in the Baltimore area.
They're one of the most well known families. So this
has been a huge shock, and they're also appalled that
there are so many morons out there celebrating what he's done.
Now here's an odd little clue. After he had he
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had two surgeries on his back. One of them did
not work, the second one did, and after one of
the surgeries, in July twenty twenty three, he left for
a trek around Asia. Well, this must have been the
surgery that worked. And there are photos shared by other
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travelers that he met along the way. He also posted
some online and if you if you look, if you
look closely, there's a picture of his backpack. And the
book is a how to primer on traveling indefinitely. And
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then he added some self help books to his reading
list on good Reads. One of them is Adult Children
of Emotionally Immature Parents how to Heal from distant, rejecting
or self involved parents. Well there's that that that's a
big clue right there, because it's clear that he felt
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lost and he felt aggrieved, and you could see with
these parents running this big business empire. Oh, I don't
know how. I mean, I don't know how you can
do that when you when you have a bunch of kids.
I mean, somebody must have been paying attention.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But you can see how he kind of felt lost
in the crowd all.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
These Yeah, the siblings, the ants, and the uncles. Yeah,
maybe maybe you don't have a clear identity and I
imagine that the parents were task masters. I mean, this
kid was. And I've seen this happen because I've been
in the private school circuit on the West Side, and
some kids are driven by their nutty parents, and they're
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going and going and going, and they get the grades
and they get the honors, and they get into the
big school, and they crash and burn. Sometimes they crash
at the school. You know, they have to come back home.
Some of them, you know, end up with some serious
mental problems, addiction problems, because there was too much stress
and too much pressure on them. And I'm not making
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excuses for what he did. He ought to get the
death penalty for what he did. But what fascinates me
is how he goes from this happy, smiling guy that
everybody loved and admired into cold blooded killer. I mean
that it's a fairly quick journey. And I am forever
fascinating by the psychological profile of well, really everybody. I
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always wonder how people became what they are, what they
were like as children, and why some people get derailed
and others don't. We'll do a little more when we
come back. The New York Times had some research now
that was a story in the journal from like the
parent's perspective or the family's perspective. What did they know,
what little clues that they saw. This one in The
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New York Times is from mengi own's perspective in a way,
what was he thinking and doing? Because he traveled quite
a bit and he clearly was on some kind of
he was seeking something, and some were like, oh, oh,
this is really important. He was never a customer at
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United Healthcare, so all the people are saying, well, you know,
you know what it's like dealing with insurance companies. He
was probably driven to it. You can't really blame him.
It's like, no, he wasn't. He wasn't driven to anything
but healthcare. He just picked them out because they were
a big company. But we'll talk about his physical journey
and his emotional journey that the time's uncovered.
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Speaker 1 (19:17):
They are crazy in San Diego County. The Board of
Supervisors is bleeping, effing crazy. They are declaring themselves a
super sanctuary county. They are not going to cooperate with Ice,
even to turn over to ICE prisoners that they have
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in jail who've already been convicted, or prisoners who've been
charged for very violent, serious crimes. Illegal alien violent felons,
whether they're charged or convicted. San Diego County is not
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going to cooper great with ICE. There can't be more
than five people in San Diego County who think that's
a good idea, but three of them are on the
Bord of Supervisors. Jim Desmond was the only no vote.
We're going to talk to Jim coming up. You people
in San Diego County, you got to do something about
that Bord of Supervisors. Those people are dangerous. They're out
of their minds. I mean, the whole country has woken
(20:21):
up to this, the nonsense of all these violent illegal
aliens that have stormed throughout the country, but not the
San Diego County Board of Supervisors. Geez, they're ahead of
like La and San Francisco on this one. All right,
So more on Luigi Mangione. Now, last segment, we told
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you how what the experience was like from the family's
point of view, him being missing for eight months, nobody
could contact him, and then they get the news and
what the last week has been like. That was from
The Wall Street Journal, New York Times has has has
spent a whole week reviewing records and messages that Mengoni
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had had made online. They interviewed a wide range of
people who knew Mangion and so this is what they
came up with. They opened up with saying Mengeon had
had set off on a long solo trip to Asia,
and he stopped to record a voice message to send
to a friend that he had met while traveling. And
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what he said in the message was, this is in April,
I want some time to zen out. I was gonna
soak in the hot springs, meditate, catch up on books,
do some writing. He left Hawaii by the way, like
like Hawaii wasn't relaxing enough for him, so he left
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the country and went to when touring Asia, he had
been in Japan on a previous trip. Now he's going
to Thailand. Hey, you know his background probably by now.
He's valedictorian at an elite school in Maryland, computer science
graduate at University of Pennsylvania, got a master's degree pretty quickly.
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But if you go through his writings and messages, you
see that he talks about his unbearable pain when he
went to Asia, he got angry at the modern Japanese
urban environment, saying that there was seemed to be nothing
but sex toys, automated restaurants, and a general lack of
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natural human interaction. In other words, there were too many
sex toys being sold, which means people aren't actually engaging
in physical relations. There's automated restaurants, so there's no clerk
or waitress to talk to. And he said, this is
why there's falling birth rates, this is why there's a
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lack of human connection. And this started feeding his anger.
Remember he's reading Ted Kaczinsky too, and Kazinsky buried in
his manifesto was warnings even in nineteen seventy eight when
he wrote it about you know how technology is going
to ruin human society.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
No wonder you're fascinated by this story because you you
were all into the Unibomber. I know he's your guy.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You know Bomber is not my guy.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Well, you obsessed.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I was fascinated by the story. Well he was a
son of Polish immigrants, I know.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
But it's interesting how you've really I.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Was fascinated by him. Yeah, and you know who else
was my brother?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
You know Kazinsky had a brother.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, I know you remember Kazinsky's brother.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
He's the one that turned him in.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But he lived underground while Ted Kaczinski lived in this
isolated log cabin right of Montana. Yeah, the brother dug
a big hole in Oklahoma. His roof was a storm
door that he propped over the dugout bunk.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, So like Kazinsky was in, it was in the cabin.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
The brother, David was his name, was down in the
bunker and not forever, I mean, eventually he came up.
But he started reading Kazinsky's manifesto because remember they published
it in the New York Times, and he was reading
it and he goes, oh, I know that guy. So
that's what was weird because my brother and I did
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not talk about this, and my brother doesn't send me
many presents.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Does live underground?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
No he didn't. No, he has the most conventional suburban life.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Okay, I mean, I know, I know you like to
be alone, so you do share.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
See when I talk about this stuff, my wife gets
really scared.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I don't blame her.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
She she goes, she gets very upset, and she goes,
don't talk about these things.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I'm a blame her.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
The thing is there, there is an intersection here with
some of Mangione's observations and my observations, you know. He uh.
He also said he had brain fog that he'd had
since high school, and the disorientation used to be minor,
and now it was turning his life upside down. Apparently
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he got lime disease at the age of thirteen, and
sometimes those effects fatigue, brain fog, pain, sleep disruption, tingling,
or numbness can linger long after treatment. He also had
an irritable bowel syndrome and something called visual snow, a
neurological condition where a person's vision is obscured by flickering dots. Now,
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if all this is going on with him, I can
see why he's going nuts. His brain is fogged up,
he's seeing snow, he can't sleep, his bowels are irritated,
he's got this terrible, debilitating pain in his back. And
it talks about how it came to Santa Monica to
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work a true car, which is the used car Internet.
You know, Bob, it's a marketplace, and he was terribly
bored by the job, no kidding, And so that's when
he flew off to Hawaii and lived in that organized commune.
It was a co living space on the fortieth floor
of a Highwaii, a high rise near Waikiki. But he
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had his own room, but there was a joint living
area and everybody went out surfboarding, and he tried that
one day and wrecked his back again. And so he wandered, really,
you know, from Pennsylvania to Santa Monica to San Francisco,
to Hawaii to Asia. And I guess he was looking
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around at the way human beings were changing, where people
were talking to each other less and less, they're living
entirely online. Oh what was one thing he said when
he went to Oh yeah, yeah, he goes, he goes.
He's in Japan. He went to Mount Olemine in Japan,
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which is known for its tests of courage and also
for prohibiting women from even trying to climb it. And
he said, well, I need to stop getting distracted by women,
so he thought climbing the mountain was a good thing
to do. On his Reddit account, his last post, he
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shared a video, and this was a particular Reddit page
dedicated to Kazinski and the post was video footage. The
title was streaming Overdose twenty twenty four, China, and it
showed dozens of people lined up along sidewalks live streaming themselves.
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And that may have been the breaking point because after
he saw that, he posted it, and he never contacted
anyone else again, either online or in person.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
How would that be a breaking point to do what
he allegedly did.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That part's not been connected yet, but it was his
breaking point where he no longer looks like he no
longer could handle the world anymore. He just couldn't couldn't
deal with where it was going. See. I think he
fancied himself as a modern day Kazinski, and he was
like a prophet. He's trying to tell everybody, we're going
to hell with all this technology.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Wait, would you you'd rather spend your life in prison
or be executed rather than deal with this.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Bad combination of intellectual brilliance and impulsive behavior. I don't know,
it doesn't It doesn't quite make sense, doesn't. But he
was seeing things and that are true. We have we
have a bizarre society, but it's happened. I'll give you
an example, like I had one of these moments.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Do we need to worry about you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
No, no, no, no, I'd given up. See he wanted
to change the world. He thought there's a better world
for humanity. I don't think so, okay. I think we're
going to hell and we deserve it, and there's no hope,
so there's no need to go try to change things.
And all right. I'm driving. I'm driving with my wife
the other morning. We're in our neighborhood and there's a
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woman and because there's cars parked on both sides of
the road and there's traffic coming, she's pushing her little
child in a stroller almost in the middle of the
road right like we have to ease to the left
to make sure we get around her. And she's staring
at her stupid screen while pushing the child. That's you know,
I'm almost rolled down the window and say, what is
(29:38):
wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Why didn't you? I would have done that.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, yes, you barge into r v's. We're strange people
are running around.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah that I would have said, Hey, lady with a kid.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Really, I've seen a lot of that that. You know,
I used to be nanny's did that and it's like,
well they're nanny's, it's not their kids. So they don't
really care. I'm seeing mothers, like rich mothers around the
West Side, pushing their kids, looking at the phone the
entire time, pushing very slowly in the middle of the street,
cars coming both ways, totally oblivious.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Okay, I see that all the time and examples like that.
But it doesn't so it doesn't want to kill somebody
doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You don't go shooting people. I'm just saying I kind
of connect with that spirit. You look around, you see
how people live. Now, it's just ridiculous. I get the
way they're hypnotized by.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
This totally, but again, that doesn't equate to going out
and committing murder and ending.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Your life right much, and you shouldn't bang.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I know I told you that. I said I'm stupid.
I admitted that. Seem I can admit when I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I'm admitting that there's there's no excuse for shooting people. Okay,
all right, I never advocated that.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
You're listening to John Cobbels on Demand from KFI AM sixty.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Coming up after two o'clock, We're going to talk with
Jim Desmond, the San Diego County Supervisor. San Diego County
has the distinction of being a super sanctuary county. They
will not cooperate with ICE, even if they have illgal
alien prisoners currently jailed in the county, even if they
have illegal alien prisoners awaiting trial on violent felonies including
(31:21):
rape and kidnapping and many other crimes. So that's Jim Desmond.
He's the only vote, only one who voted against the
super sanctuary idea in San Diego County. All right, we've
got a terrible story here about a man who's penis
was completely ruined.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
What, yes, how it ruined?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, he's seventy two years old from New Mexico. He's
not been named. You'll see why. They ruined his penis.
And he's won four hundred and twelve million dollars. And
every guy's got to ask himself, if you could make
four hundred and twelve million dollars, would you ruin your team?
(32:04):
Would you trade in your penis for that? He went
to something called the New Male Medical Center. That's that's
not a good name, the New Male Medical Center. He
was sixty six at the time, this is six years ago,
and he felt very tired. He'd lost weight, and he
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was misdiagnosed as having a rectile dysfunction, and they gave
him a five thousand dollars treatment program.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Well wait a second, how can you be misdiagnosed? It
either goes up or a dozen.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, that is how it works. That's right. You do
know right away, Like if you're with somebody and it's
not going up. Yeah, if it's well, I don't know.
He may not have been the brightest guy in the world.
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Five thousand dollars treatment program, and they decided they had
to treat his erectal dysfunction with injections multiple times a week,
and they also implanted a testosterone pellet. I guess they
thought that he was tired and losing weight, didn't have
enough testosterone, so they'd implant a pellet and give him
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an injection. Maybe this would revitalize him. Medications weren't working,
so he came in for a follow up and what
they did is they did some kind of treatment and
he was sent home with a medically induced and medically
(33:43):
unnecessary permanent erection. Can they.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Oh, yes, I can't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
That's not something a wife wants to see, though, not
at age seventy two. And it's like, no, you got
to be kidding.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Your coworkers.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It wouldn't go away, so he had to have emergency surgery.
Now he's impotent, he can't have an erection, he can't
urinate standing up, and he has all kinds of scar tissue.
So he went to court and won four hundred and
twelve million dollars.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
He deserves it. And the doctor who misdiagnosed yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
An idiot. New Male Medical Center. Debora Mark is live
in the KFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, you've been
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Two runs of the Moistline in the three o'clock hour
(00:23):
three twenty and three fifteen, and we're going to open
up with the story that's been dominating the news for
the last week and a half. And there was a
strange moment last night on News Nation, the cable news channel.
Ashley Benfield has a show and alex Caapriello, the reporter
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who we've had on our show a number of times
in the last year, he was doing a report from
the State Correctional Institution Huntington in Pennsylvania. That's where Luigi
Mangione is being held as as presumably an extradition hearing. Well.
While Caprello Capriello was doing the report, inmates started shouting,
(01:09):
We're gonna play you a clip of what it sounds like.
So this is a Capriello and Ashley Banfield, and you're
gonna hear the prison that they're they're speaking with prison
inmates here.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
This is just from a few hours ago, and here
they are ten o'clock as promised they said earlier today.
Tell Ashley Banfield that Luigi is watching at ten o'clock.
I mean, obviously, you know that's just a hard roast
at this point because they're not near Luigi in any way.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Can I just ask the guys if they can hear
me right now to answer yes or no very loud?
Does Luigi have television in his single cell?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They said no, Right, Obviously we have a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Of a delay that they're getting.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
They're getting the questions and they're and they're giving us
the answer to you does not have Wow, this is
quite something. This is the strangest interview I've ever conducted.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Me too, Ashley.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Uh, you know, according to the Department of Corrections, he's
got his own solitary cell. It's not solitary confinement, but
he's by himself. It's not dorm style. I'm not sure
exactly what those guys got going on in terms of
a living situation. It sounds like they're all clustered together.
Isn't it interesting to see with the accommodations that they have.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
They got their own light switches.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
They're obviously watching TV past any sort of ten o'clock curfew,
you know.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, they're they're doing this at this very moment.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
All right, that's Alex Capriello, Ashley Benfield a News Nation.
We have Alex with us on the line. Now, Alex,
how are you hey?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well. That was probably a first hime.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh my gosh, yeah it was. It was one of
the most surreal experiences I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So they had the TV on tune to your channel
so they could hear you and Ashley talking and asking questions,
and then they were shouting the answers.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, really ironic in a way. We're fighting every single
day to get more and more TVs to have News
Nation on their table provider, and then meanwhile we find
out the Huntington inmates most certainly have News Nation as
one of their options on their personal TVs inside their cells,
and so earlier in the day, you know, those guys
are yelling out their windows at me as I was
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doing other you know, TV hits for other shows other
than Banfield and and so it kind of dawned on me.
I think these guys are watching me live, and so
they were yelling out and you know, saying.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Hey, good job, Alex.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And then you know, they mentioned Banfield specifically out the window.
I'm not sure if that's maybe one of their favorite
programs on News nations. So then when ten o'clock rolled
around and there I can look up and it's nighttime
now I can look through their windows and see Ashley's
face on them the TV. You know, that was confirmation.
Oh my gosh, they really are watching it live. And
that's how this you know, organic live interview with hundreds
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of inmates played out.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ten o'clock seems late for inmates, isn't Isn't there a
curf there?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah? Yeah, trust me, I've been covering law and order
for quite some time now, I've you know, ever prison
is different, but I was certainly shocked that they have
TV privileges past ten o'clock.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
What kind of state prison is this? I mean, how
what kind of are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean it's it's maximum security. It's especially for
Luigi Mangoni right now. But it's Pennsylvania's oldest operating prison. So,
I mean there's questions still that remain about, you know,
the conditions in there and how things are going. But
we know at least some things are true that some
of these single cells, which is the cell block that
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was the one that was yelling out at us, they
have single cells, mostly one inmate to a cell, sometimes too.
But yeah, they got their own TVs. They clearly they
have their own lights, which is that they can turn
on and off. Towards the end of that live shot,
was that really remarkable moment when all of these inmates
were flashing their lights at us, showing, hey, we hear you,
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we're watching you, and we're speaking to you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Now, Luigi's conditions sucked. That's some of what they were
shouting at you.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, and I you know, we got to take it
with a grain of salt. I mean, Luigi is in
a completely separate, you know block as these guys. I'm
told that he's in a single cell far away from them.
So when they say, you know, Luisi's condition suck, or
Luigi says hello, or Luigi's watching news Nation, I think
that's just them. Happened a good time, But you know,
certainly it's it's entertaining for them and you know, if
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nothing else, it made them feel like they're a part
of society again, interacting with people on the outside.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So, Menjon is stuck there until the next hearing. Any
idea when that's going to be I imagine being an
extradition hearing.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yes, well, so the extradition initial extradition hearing happened already.
That was earlier this week. That's where we saw Thomas Dick,
who's been retained as the defense attorney for Manngioni, as
contesting that extradition. There have been some separate motions that
have been followed by the defense attorney, and I believe
those have been scheduled for December thirtieth. Earlier, when he
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had his first appearance, which was Monday, they set the
preliminary hearing for December twenty third, So I got to
check the court records to see if that hearing is
still on. But we have at least a few hearings
coming out at the end of the month.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
All right, Well, good job. That was entertainment. Usually you
don't get from a straight news cast. Alex Capriello News Nation, very.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Good, Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it, thanks.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
For coming on. They were also complaining that the food
is terrible those prisoners. The prison menu includes fruit grits,
scrambled eggs, and something called porcupine meatballs.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I have no clue what those.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Are made from actual porcupines.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Though, you know, I'm sorry now this is just me
talking out loud, But when you're in prison, I didn't
really know that you have a choice of what's good
and what's bad.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And you know, I don't know, it's not supposed to
be a good time, right, they're always complaining about the food.
It's like, here's a tip. Don't commit any felonies and
you won't have to eat any of the food.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You can choose your own food, you know, not behind bars.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The rest of us figure it out. It's like, you know,
when you're a kid, right, you probably run across a
story about how terrible the prison conditions are, and as
a kid, you go, I don't want to be any
part of that.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I mean, look, fruit, How can they be upset over fruits?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Gritscre porcupine meatballs is made from ground beef and rice.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Well you would like that? Yeah, I could live on
this porcupine meatballs.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, but I'm never sure what grits are. What is that?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Okay, I know what they are, but I was on
a Google it just to make sure. I'm saying we went.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
We were in North Carolina this summer and it was
on the menu at the hotel and I was looking
at it. I think I saw it. It looked like
a lot of goop.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Grits are a type of porridge made from coarsely ground
dried like corn.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Just the word porridge. Yeah that No, No, I'd rather
have the porcupine meatballs. I'd rather have the Now if
eventually he'll get extradited to New York and he may
end up getting transferred to Rikers Island to New York City,
which is boy oh boy, This Pennsylvania prison is going
to look like a four seasons hotel because Rikers is
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really bad and really violent. One of these stories that
quotes Jean Burrello, who used to be part of the
mob and he spent thirteen years behind bars, four years
at Rikers. He said Rikers is the most dangerous prison
in America. He said, if Mangion is treads there, he
will face bad food, unsanitary conditions. You have to watch
(09:06):
your back every day. There's no structure. It's just complete chaos.
It's non stop stabbings and gang violence, where cops are
scared to come to work. It's a place you want
to avoid. And we're gonna hear, you know, probably hear
from Luigi's gaggle of his harem of young women.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Are they going to go visit them there at Rikers?
I mean, can you get visitors there?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
A couple of them? Will that that Looney tune that
we played the other day where she went on for
about a mint and a half of But but they're
gonna they're gonna be upset that that Luigi's getting violated
in some way. It's like, hey, you know, don't shoot
executives in the back, you know, don't don't murder people.
Then you don't have to worry about getting attacked by
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crazy lunatics. I mean that I've heard about since I
was a kid. I grew up in New Jersey and
Rikers Island is an island full of psychotics.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Okay, didn't we do a story yesterday about a teacher
who was hired at some religious school who had been
to Rikers and they hired him because they wanted to
do the PC thing. Why they wanted to give him
a second chance, and then he had the child born.
He was at Rikers.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
He was at Rikers as soon as he comes out,
gets the job at a school and he's soliciting naked
photos from the young boys and girls in class. Yeah,
elementary school. Yes, so that that's what she got. That's
one of the people they released.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
She was a resident at Rikers.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Imagine the ones they don't release. Uh, well, we come
back there. There's a lot more about Luigi Benjio And
because they're they're they're looking into his his family and
and his background. What was he doing? It was gone
for about eight months. He dropped out of sight, didn't
speak to any friends or family. Parents especially mom, was
(10:50):
desperately trying to find him and where was he? What
was he doing? There's some there's a new information. It's
it's it's fascinating. He really was wandering around lost and
apparently developed a tremendous amount of anger. We'll tell you
all about it when we come back.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
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Speaker 1 (11:15):
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All Right, so now there's been a few days a
week actually since this whole this event, well since the shooting,
and it's been what four days since Luis mang Luigi
(11:37):
Mangione was arrested. The media outlets have had a little
time to delve into his background to see how he
ended up, where he was and what the family's been doing.
He's been missing pretty much for eight months, and Kathy Mangione,
the mother, has been looking for him. He went off
(12:01):
the grid about eight months ago, missing in action, and
she was doing everything she could to find him and couldn't.
She was trying to live her life normally. According to
the Wall Street Journal has a good story on this,
like the Saturday all right, the rest was Monday. On Saturday,
she had lunch at an Italian market with her friends.
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The next day, she and her husband, lou they attended
ceremony honoring one of her brothers at their church in
Little Italy in Baltimore, and it was a huge family.
I don't know if you've seen the family photo, but
I mean it looked like about fifty people in the photo.
He had sixteen aunts and uncles. Luigi Mangione because his
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dad had nine siblings and they all had kids, so
he has dozens of cousins. You know, they had dozens
of kids and grandkids, and it's just a tremendous family.
And in one of the family photos you'd see Luigi
Mangione smiling in the back row. Everybody is absolutely shocked.
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There is a man quoted in here, a family friend
named Joe Debasqually, and he last saw Mangione a year
or two ago. Depasqually has an Italian market and Depasqually
and his wife were so impressed with him and Luigi's
sisters when they were younger that they encouraged their own
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children to be more like them. Oh boy, the kids
had that. Let me tell you. Kids hate it when
there's cousins in the family or family friends and they're
used as models. Why aren't you more like them? Woof?
But in this case it was Luigi who was being
idolized by the deepasqualies. Joe said, we always modeled our
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kids on how they man Jones do. I drove my
kids crazy. They had plenty of money. Their home is
worth two million dollars. Which is a very expensive home
in the Baltimore suburbs. It's hard to it's hard to
understand that two million is expensive because here in la
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it's not even a starter home. As of twenty twenty two,
his dad, Lou, and all nine of Lou's brothers and
sisters worked for the golf clubs and nursing home chain
that their parents, Nick and Mary had built into this big,
sprawling enterprise. One friend, Giovanna Blatterman, is that a name,
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Giovanna Blatterman, sounds like a mixed marriage there, said, you
would not know they have money. They never flaunt anything.
But everybody in the family kept asking what's up with Luigi?
Where is he? What's he doing? Relatives were emailing many
of his friends, what do you know? Have you heard
from him? Nobody? They would post it online. He never responded.
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And the mengi Oones are very prominent in the Baltimore area.
They're one of the most well known families. So this
has been a huge shock, and they're also appalled that
there are so many morons out there celebrating what he's done.
Now here's an odd little clue. After he had he
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had two surgeries on his back. One of them did
not work, the second one did, and after one of
the surgeries, in July twenty twenty three, he left for
a trek around Asia. Well, this must have been the
surgery that worked. And there are photos shared by other
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travelers that he met along the way. He also posted
some online and if you if you look, if you
look closely, there's a picture of his backpack. And the
book is a how to primer on traveling indefinitely. And
(16:16):
then he added some self help books to his reading
list on good Reads. One of them is Adult Children
of Emotionally Immature Parents how to Heal from distant, rejecting
or self involved parents. Well there's that that that's a
big clue right there, because it's clear that he felt
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lost and he felt aggrieved, and you could see with
these parents running this big business empire. Oh, I don't
know how. I mean, I don't know how you can
do that when you when you have a bunch of kids.
I mean, somebody must have been paying attention.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But you can see how he kind of felt lost
in the crowd all.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
These Yeah, the siblings, the ants, and the uncles. Yeah,
maybe maybe you don't have a clear identity and I
imagine that the parents were task masters. I mean, this
kid was. And I've seen this happen because I've been
in the private school circuit on the West Side, and
some kids are driven by their nutty parents, and they're
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going and going and going, and they get the grades
and they get the honors, and they get into the
big school, and they crash and burn. Sometimes they crash
at the school. You know, they have to come back home.
Some of them, you know, end up with some serious
mental problems, addiction problems, because there was too much stress
and too much pressure on them. And I'm not making
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excuses for what he did. He ought to get the
death penalty for what he did. But what fascinates me
is how he goes from this happy, smiling guy that
everybody loved and admired into cold blooded killer. I mean
that it's a fairly quick journey. And I am forever
fascinating by the psychological profile of well, really everybody. I
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always wonder how people became what they are, what they
were like as children, and why some people get derailed
and others don't. We'll do a little more when we
come back. The New York Times had some research now
that was a story in the journal from like the
parent's perspective or the family's perspective. What did they know,
what little clues that they saw. This one in The
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New York Times is from mengi own's perspective in a way,
what was he thinking and doing? Because he traveled quite
a bit and he clearly was on some kind of
he was seeking something, and some were like, oh, oh,
this is really important. He was never a customer at
(18:48):
United Healthcare, so all the people are saying, well, you know,
you know what it's like dealing with insurance companies. He
was probably driven to it. You can't really blame him.
It's like, no, he wasn't. He wasn't driven to anything
but healthcare. He just picked them out because they were
a big company. But we'll talk about his physical journey
and his emotional journey that the time's uncovered.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Next, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
They are crazy in San Diego County. The Board of
Supervisors is bleeping, effing crazy. They are declaring themselves a
super sanctuary county. They are not going to cooperate with Ice,
even to turn over to ICE prisoners that they have
(19:38):
in jail who've already been convicted, or prisoners who've been
charged for very violent, serious crimes. Illegal alien violent felons,
whether they're charged or convicted. San Diego County is not
(19:59):
going to cooper great with ICE. There can't be more
than five people in San Diego County who think that's
a good idea, but three of them are on the
Bord of Supervisors. Jim Desmond was the only no vote.
We're going to talk to Jim coming up. You people
in San Diego County, you got to do something about
that Bord of Supervisors. Those people are dangerous. They're out
of their minds. I mean, the whole country has woken
(20:21):
up to this, the nonsense of all these violent illegal
aliens that have stormed throughout the country, but not the
San Diego County Board of Supervisors. Geez, they're ahead of
like La and San Francisco on this one. All right,
So more on Luigi Mangione. Now, last segment, we told
(20:43):
you how what the experience was like from the family's
point of view, him being missing for eight months, nobody
could contact him, and then they get the news and
what the last week has been like. That was from
The Wall Street Journal, New York Times has has has
spent a whole week reviewing records and messages that Mengoni
(21:06):
had had made online. They interviewed a wide range of
people who knew Mangion and so this is what they
came up with. They opened up with saying Mengeon had
had set off on a long solo trip to Asia,
and he stopped to record a voice message to send
to a friend that he had met while traveling. And
(21:30):
what he said in the message was, this is in April,
I want some time to zen out. I was gonna
soak in the hot springs, meditate, catch up on books,
do some writing. He left Hawaii by the way, like
like Hawaii wasn't relaxing enough for him, so he left
(21:50):
the country and went to when touring Asia, he had
been in Japan on a previous trip. Now he's going
to Thailand. Hey, you know his background probably by now.
He's valedictorian at an elite school in Maryland, computer science
graduate at University of Pennsylvania, got a master's degree pretty quickly.
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But if you go through his writings and messages, you
see that he talks about his unbearable pain when he
went to Asia, he got angry at the modern Japanese
urban environment, saying that there was seemed to be nothing
but sex toys, automated restaurants, and a general lack of
(22:33):
natural human interaction. In other words, there were too many
sex toys being sold, which means people aren't actually engaging
in physical relations. There's automated restaurants, so there's no clerk
or waitress to talk to. And he said, this is
why there's falling birth rates, this is why there's a
(22:56):
lack of human connection. And this started feeding his anger.
Remember he's reading Ted Kaczinsky too, and Kazinsky buried in
his manifesto was warnings even in nineteen seventy eight when
he wrote it about you know how technology is going
to ruin human society.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
No wonder you're fascinated by this story because you you
were all into the Unibomber. I know he's your guy.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You know Bomber is not my guy.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Well, you obsessed.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I was fascinated by the story. Well he was a
son of Polish immigrants, I know.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
But it's interesting how you've really I.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Was fascinated by him. Yeah, and you know who else
was my brother?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
You know Kazinsky had a brother.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, I know you remember Kazinsky's brother.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
He's the one that turned him in.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But he lived underground while Ted Kaczinski lived in this
isolated log cabin right of Montana. Yeah, the brother dug
a big hole in Oklahoma. His roof was a storm
door that he propped over the dugout bunk.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, So like Kazinsky was in, it was in the cabin.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
The brother, David was his name, was down in the
bunker and not forever, I mean, eventually he came up.
But he started reading Kazinsky's manifesto because remember they published
it in the New York Times, and he was reading
it and he goes, oh, I know that guy. So
that's what was weird because my brother and I did
(24:26):
not talk about this, and my brother doesn't send me
many presents.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Does live underground?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
No he didn't. No, he has the most conventional suburban life.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Okay, I mean, I know, I know you like to
be alone, so you do share.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
See when I talk about this stuff, my wife gets
really scared.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I don't blame her.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
She she goes, she gets very upset, and she goes,
don't talk about these things.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I'm a blame her.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
The thing is there, there is an intersection here with
some of Mangione's observations and my observations, you know. He uh.
He also said he had brain fog that he'd had
since high school, and the disorientation used to be minor,
and now it was turning his life upside down. Apparently
(25:11):
he got lime disease at the age of thirteen, and
sometimes those effects fatigue, brain fog, pain, sleep disruption, tingling,
or numbness can linger long after treatment. He also had
an irritable bowel syndrome and something called visual snow, a
neurological condition where a person's vision is obscured by flickering dots. Now,
(25:32):
if all this is going on with him, I can
see why he's going nuts. His brain is fogged up,
he's seeing snow, he can't sleep, his bowels are irritated,
he's got this terrible, debilitating pain in his back. And
it talks about how it came to Santa Monica to
(25:53):
work a true car, which is the used car Internet.
You know, Bob, it's a marketplace, and he was terribly
bored by the job, no kidding, And so that's when
he flew off to Hawaii and lived in that organized commune.
It was a co living space on the fortieth floor
of a Highwaii, a high rise near Waikiki. But he
(26:17):
had his own room, but there was a joint living
area and everybody went out surfboarding, and he tried that
one day and wrecked his back again. And so he wandered, really,
you know, from Pennsylvania to Santa Monica to San Francisco,
to Hawaii to Asia. And I guess he was looking
(26:41):
around at the way human beings were changing, where people
were talking to each other less and less, they're living
entirely online. Oh what was one thing he said when
he went to Oh yeah, yeah, he goes, he goes.
He's in Japan. He went to Mount Olemine in Japan,
(27:04):
which is known for its tests of courage and also
for prohibiting women from even trying to climb it. And
he said, well, I need to stop getting distracted by women,
so he thought climbing the mountain was a good thing
to do. On his Reddit account, his last post, he
(27:28):
shared a video, and this was a particular Reddit page
dedicated to Kazinski and the post was video footage. The
title was streaming Overdose twenty twenty four, China, and it
showed dozens of people lined up along sidewalks live streaming themselves.
(27:49):
And that may have been the breaking point because after
he saw that, he posted it, and he never contacted
anyone else again, either online or in person.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
How would that be a breaking point to do what
he allegedly did.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That part's not been connected yet, but it was his
breaking point where he no longer looks like he no
longer could handle the world anymore. He just couldn't couldn't
deal with where it was going. See. I think he
fancied himself as a modern day Kazinski, and he was
like a prophet. He's trying to tell everybody, we're going
to hell with all this technology.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Wait, would you you'd rather spend your life in prison
or be executed rather than deal with this.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Bad combination of intellectual brilliance and impulsive behavior. I don't know,
it doesn't It doesn't quite make sense, doesn't. But he
was seeing things and that are true. We have we
have a bizarre society, but it's happened. I'll give you
an example, like I had one of these moments.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Do we need to worry about you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
No, no, no, no, I'd given up. See he wanted
to change the world. He thought there's a better world
for humanity. I don't think so, okay. I think we're
going to hell and we deserve it, and there's no hope,
so there's no need to go try to change things.
And all right. I'm driving. I'm driving with my wife
the other morning. We're in our neighborhood and there's a
(29:16):
woman and because there's cars parked on both sides of
the road and there's traffic coming, she's pushing her little
child in a stroller almost in the middle of the
road right like we have to ease to the left
to make sure we get around her. And she's staring
at her stupid screen while pushing the child. That's you know,
I'm almost rolled down the window and say, what is
(29:38):
wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Why didn't you? I would have done that.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, yes, you barge into r v's. We're strange people
are running around.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah that I would have said, Hey, lady with a kid.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Really, I've seen a lot of that that. You know,
I used to be nanny's did that and it's like,
well they're nanny's, it's not their kids. So they don't
really care. I'm seeing mothers, like rich mothers around the
West Side, pushing their kids, looking at the phone the
entire time, pushing very slowly in the middle of the street,
cars coming both ways, totally oblivious.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Okay, I see that all the time and examples like that.
But it doesn't so it doesn't want to kill somebody
doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You don't go shooting people. I'm just saying I kind
of connect with that spirit. You look around, you see
how people live. Now, it's just ridiculous. I get the
way they're hypnotized by.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
This totally, but again, that doesn't equate to going out
and committing murder and ending.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Your life right much, and you shouldn't bang.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I know I told you that. I said I'm stupid.
I admitted that. Seem I can admit when I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I'm admitting that there's there's no excuse for shooting people. Okay,
all right, I never advocated that.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
You're listening to John Cobbels on Demand from KFI AM sixty.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Coming up after two o'clock, We're going to talk with
Jim Desmond, the San Diego County Supervisor. San Diego County
has the distinction of being a super sanctuary county. They
will not cooperate with ICE, even if they have illgal
alien prisoners currently jailed in the county, even if they
have illegal alien prisoners awaiting trial on violent felonies including
(31:21):
rape and kidnapping and many other crimes. So that's Jim Desmond.
He's the only vote, only one who voted against the
super sanctuary idea in San Diego County. All right, we've
got a terrible story here about a man who's penis
was completely ruined.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
What, yes, how it ruined?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, he's seventy two years old from New Mexico. He's
not been named. You'll see why. They ruined his penis.
And he's won four hundred and twelve million dollars. And
every guy's got to ask himself, if you could make
four hundred and twelve million dollars, would you ruin your team?
(32:04):
Would you trade in your penis for that? He went
to something called the New Male Medical Center. That's that's
not a good name, the New Male Medical Center. He
was sixty six at the time, this is six years ago,
and he felt very tired. He'd lost weight, and he
(32:25):
was misdiagnosed as having a rectile dysfunction, and they gave
him a five thousand dollars treatment program.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Well wait a second, how can you be misdiagnosed? It
either goes up or a dozen.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, that is how it works. That's right. You do
know right away, Like if you're with somebody and it's
not going up. Yeah, if it's well, I don't know.
He may not have been the brightest guy in the world.
(33:01):
Five thousand dollars treatment program, and they decided they had
to treat his erectal dysfunction with injections multiple times a week,
and they also implanted a testosterone pellet. I guess they
thought that he was tired and losing weight, didn't have
enough testosterone, so they'd implant a pellet and give him
(33:22):
an injection. Maybe this would revitalize him. Medications weren't working,
so he came in for a follow up and what
they did is they did some kind of treatment and
he was sent home with a medically induced and medically
(33:43):
unnecessary permanent erection. Can they.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Oh, yes, I can't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
That's not something a wife wants to see, though, not
at age seventy two. And it's like, no, you got
to be kidding.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Your coworkers.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It wouldn't go away, so he had to have emergency surgery.
Now he's impotent, he can't have an erection, he can't
urinate standing up, and he has all kinds of scar tissue.
So he went to court and won four hundred and
twelve million dollars.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
He deserves it. And the doctor who misdiagnosed yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
An idiot. New Male Medical Center. Debora Mark is live
in the KFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, you've been
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