April 7, 2025 • 32 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 2 (04/07) - Attorney Patrick McNicholas comes on the show to talk about the sex abuse victims he represented that settled with LA County for $4 billion dollars. At Mule Creek State Prison a prisoner was killed by his cellmate, the prisoner who was killed was in prison for sexually abusing kids. Brown University is charging over $93,000 for tuition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I was reading today an extensive story in the New
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York Times about the extreme sexual abuse against thousands of
children and teenagers here in La County from nineteen fifteen
nine to the two thousands in the juvenile system and
the foster care system. It's really egregious stuff. It's really
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awful to read. People have really suffered. I don't know
who they were hiring to work in the juvenile halls
and who they were hiring in these foster homes. I mean,
all kinds of sick sexual predators for decades, decades. How
did they all know to get jobs doing this? Nothing
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was ever done, and now there's seven thousand victims. They're
going to get a total of four billion dollars from
La County tax beyers, and they're gonna have to borrow
a lot of money that's not going to be paid
back until the year twenty fifty one. Yeah, annual payments
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through the fiscal year twenty fifty twenty fifty one. We're
going to talk with an attorney for some of the plaintiffs,
Patrick McNicholas, who represents more than twelve hundred victims. This
is an astonishing story. Patrick, welcome, How are you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm just fine. Thank you, and John, thank you for
your interest in the story. It's important.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The sexual and physical and emotional abuse that some of
these I guess every ball of them, wall the planets
went through. It's just extraordinary. I'm reading some of the
stories today and this happened so long ago. Many of
them were so small. How is it that this could
go on in such a widespread manner and nobody talked
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about it, and nobody was arrested, fired anything. I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, first of all, it's the problem that we've seen
repeated throughout the country and all over the world. Actually, well,
you have an epidemic of sexual abuse of children, and
in this particular instance, it's a complete failure of government.
It's a lack of oversight, it's a lack of procedures
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and When you have that, you have predators that can
run wild, and they did for years and years, so.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
There was no screening process to keep people out, and
then these sexual attacks happened, these rapes happened, there was
no process to get rid of them. Nobody cared. I mean,
for you know, fifty years, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't think it was on anybody's radar, to be
quite honest, John, I think that they're focused on different things.
But you've seen this in other institutions, from Penn State
to the church, to the Boy Scouts. So the Ellie
County government didn't invent it, but they certainly did nothing
to look at it, address it and prevent it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
This is one of these situations, and we've covered this
for many years, whether it's the you know, the Catholic Church,
the LA Unified School District, Boy Scouts, universally, everybody I've
ever known in life, if this topic came up, they
seem to be personally disgusted by it. And it seems
everyone who isn't disgusted or is actually turned on and
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excited by this ends up working for one of these agencies.
I guess they know that's where the victys are and
I guess they sense they can get away with it.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, when you have this type of conduct, you have
sexual predators and they know where to go, they know
how not to be caught. But in a lot of
these instances, you know, these atrocities weren't just sexual they
were you know, abuses of power and exercising power over
individuals who were powerless. And in fact, these people were
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relying on the government to protect them, and it's the
government that ended up injuring them a second time. It's
pretty horrific.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Explain to people how it is that crimes that might
have been committed as far back as nineteen fifty nine
could still be open to a legal settlement. Now, normally
there's a statute of limitations, but that got waived in
a lot of cases. Explain how that works.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It didn't just get waived. There was legislation that was
passed that opened up a window to extend the statute
of limitations that was assembly built to eighteen and so
it went back to nineteen fifty nine. And there's other states,
by the way, that have similar statutes, and some states
completely abolish the statue of limitations for sexual abuse because
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it was view to such atrocity, and because people never
wanted to come out and say anything, so they wanted
to give them a chance to get lead dressed. So
I think we have to say at least one bright
spot is that the government did something to help these
people so that they could right this wrong get a
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sense of restorative justice in the County of La has
now stepped up. They did apologize, and again we have
to give them credit for that, but we do have
to do a hard look back and make sure that
they are safegunts in place so that this can never
happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But most people were having trouble stomaching the idea that
now taxpayers and you know, none of us had anything
to do with this, have to know fork over four
billion dollars when the county and the city of La
is falling apart. I mean, the place is a wreck,
and we got tens of thousands of people out on
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the streets and we don't seem to have the money,
you know, for the mental health clinics for them. And
now we got to pay another four billion dollars and
we've got to borrow a lot of it, and we're
to be paying that off until the twenty fifties. I mean,
it just doesn't seem there's any protection for innocent taxpayers.
None of us had anything to do with this.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, that's correct, and also, you know, it's a rational
analysis and it's overlaid with emotion. But the fact of
the matter is, over the long haul, this will save
the County of Los Angeles money because the market the
way these cases get settled, and in this particular instance,
they looked at the exposure to the county and then
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and we spent about a year and a half John
negotiating this resolution. Specifically, one of the goals in mind
was to ensure the viability of the County of LA,
to protect the taxpayers to the extent that we were able.
We had to keep the County of La out of bankruptcy,
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because if the County of La had gone into bankruptcy,
it would have been disastrous not only for the survivors,
but also for the county itself and the citizens here.
So over the long haul, you look at it as
an investment because these people will now have resources. They
can get medical help, they can get emotional help, they
can get intervention because the problems that arise from this
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type of wound which never hears about suicides you have
drug addiction. So I think that the county did the
absolute best they could. It's not a perfect resolution, but
for all involved, it was the best option and available.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, this is going to take money away from you know,
fire protection, well, the sheriff's department, the mental health that
all these crazy people in the streets need. I mean,
you know, current day citizens are going to be affected
by this.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't think so to the extent that you think
they will, because one of the things that we you know,
this was acrimonious, it was emotional, and it was a
hard resolution to get to, but we wanted to make
sure that essential services weren't cut and that the basic
necessities of the county, you know, the people that live here,
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they weren't going to feel it. So I think that
everything will remain intact. I don't think they're going to
have cuts to fire. I don't think they're going to
have touch to safety. And again, I think that this
was a balancing act and it's the best we could do.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Why don't we know the names the perpetrators? Since we
have to pay four billion dollars in settlements, shouldn't we
know the names of every employee living and dead, and
what they were accused of, because obviously the names are
in the civil suits.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right, so those names are known. There's going to be
some perps who are not known because this goes back
to fifty nine and a lot of the records have
been destroyed. So to the extent that we are able,
we're finding those in discovery from the county, and further,
we're getting the names of as many of those perpetrators
as we can from all the individual survivors.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But every time somebody reported, you know, whether it was
a child or a relative, or a witness or some
one of the workers, they reported something, did anybody in
the county ever do anything about it? It just seems
if you've wracked up seven thousand victims here in this
one lawsuit, did everybody always turn away and tell the kid, oh,
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you're making it up, you're lying, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So, first of all, you can see that this pattern repeats,
and you know, I remember when you were reporting on
the you know, the Catholic Church scandal way back in
the day, and then we've seen the Boy Scouts, We've
seen Penn State, we seeing other institutions. So the first
part of the problem is people don't want to come
forward and talk about this sort of thing. And in
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this instance, it was even worse because you're talking about
kids that were in the civil justice system and in
foster homes, and they were still subject to the power
of the county throughout this process. So most of them
did not report it. When it was reported, often it
wasn't viewed as credible, wasn't taken seriously, and then there's
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the you know, circle the wagons approach. So most of
the instances not reported, and many of the instances where
it was nothing occurred.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, we will get the names though of these people.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Well some of them on filed right now. You can
get them because they're with the Superior Court at this point.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean, they should be reported in the news
media here, I mean especially, I mean, are they still
working for the county these people? No, No, everybody's gone.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
If they are, I'm certainly not aware of.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
All right, Well, thank you for coming on, Patrick McNicholas,
Thank you very much. All right, And Patrick McNicholas is
one of the attorneys representing twelve hundred of the victims
out of the seven thousand that are going to share
four billion dollars in this sex abuse settlement for La
County going back to nineteen fifty nine.
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less than five hundred followers to go to hit twenty
five thousand. Well, we were just talking with Patrick McNicholas
because he helped negotiated negotiate a settlement with LA County
on behalf of well total of seven thousand victims roughly
of child sex abuse, rape sexual attacks in the juvenile
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facilities and foster home system here in Los Angeles. And
Patrick McNicholas represented twelve hundred victims. And this is going
to be four billion dollars and the county is going
to be paying this off for the next twenty six years,
so that you're twenty to fifty one. They're gonna have
to borrow a lot of money. This is gonna be
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annual payments made. They're gonna use reserve funds. They're gonna
cut some county departments. I cannot believe. I mean, they
have a list here of all the the archdiocese. It
was a billion and a half dollars. Here in La
boy Scouts paid two and a half billion dollars. You know,
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that was not the good old days years ago. Yeah,
you had grown adults, all this sexual activity involving children,
all these adults, and they all got in trusted positions
and nobody said anything. What was wrong with that generation?
Something was peculiar because so many people in that generation
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were attacking little kids and everybody else would just would
just ignore it, not believe the kids. Just watch. I
don't know. Something sick about that old generation. Now, this
is how you deal with these child molasters. They're doing
it properly in prison. You know. Since Newsom will not
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impose the death penalty on prisoners, some inmates are imposing
their own death penalty. And at the Mule Creek State Prison,
which is up north in Amador County, they found Robert
Cole unresponsive in his cell at six point thirty in
the morning Friday, and he was dead. He was forty
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eight years old. And this guy was given a life
sentence for multiple violent sex crimes, sex with a child
under ten and all these other terrible things. I didn't
want to read them, but yeah, he was sexually attacking
and raping children, little children, and fortunately he was killed
by another inmate, by his cellmate, Justin Welsh. They've had
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a run of inmates being killed all over the state.
Last month, Joshua Peppers was killed after being attacked by
a fellow inmate at the Lancaster Prison. Also last month,
a guy named Jake Kennedy multiple stab wounds in Sacramento Prison.
So yeah, I think I think dyana take Justin Welsh,
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who killed Robert Cole, and make him the roommate, the
cellmate of all the other child molesters in our system.
Let him have at it. I mean, these guys have.
Welsh was already a two strike offender and he sentenced
to eighteen years for his latest crime. And you know
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now now he's really got ething to lose because now
he'll be in prison for the rest of his life.
But I'd pair him up, you know, out thin out
the sex molester population. That's a good idea. Since Newsome
won't do anything about it, I would put I'd put
Justin Welsh in charge. Let these psychos kill each other.
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And mull Creek where Welsh killed Robert Cole, that was
the site where one of the inmates killed his wife
during a conjugal visit same prison. I don't know what's
going on there. This is in Plaster County, so there's
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been a whole run of these. And then there was
another guy in Monterey County jail and he was assaulted
and killed just on Sunday. So I think, you know,
prison justice is the best kind of justice.
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Speaker 1 (16:12):
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You know, Brown University, which is one of the Ivy
League schools, produces a lot of wieners, a lot of
strange people. I don't know if you remember, but a
few years ago, at the height of the alternate sexuality
frenzy that the country was experiencing, thirty eight percent, thirty
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eight percent of Brown University students claimed they were an
l G, A B, A T or a Q or
A plus or an I or an A thirty eight percent,
which is really preposterous. It's no such thing. But either
they were imagining this because of all the social pressure,
or they were wanted to experiment or I suspect a
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lot of them found social status at the time by
declaring that they were one of the magic letters. And
of course Brown University produces many of the Wieners who
get involved in government work or law. It's usually like law, politics,
or finance. Those are the three major industries that the
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Ivy League schools provide, provide employees for. And then you
get occasionally someone who's completely different. And Alex she spells
his name, shi eh, I'm guessing Alex. She is a
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student at Brown University, and he is getting angrier and
angrier over the cost of tuition. I can't believe this number.
But she says that Brown is going to charged ninety
three thousand and sixty four dollars ninety three thousand and
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so Fox News went to check that, and uh, yeah,
you go to the website and on the website the
total charges say ninety five thousand. Do I get my
degree after freshman year? No, you'd have to pay four
hundred thousand dollars to get the degree. So she says,
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I think that's crazy. I don't understand why it cost
that much. I never understood why it cost that much.
I did some digging and I discovered the reason why
the price of college in general across the nation, but
particularly at Brown, it's been rising over the past few decades,
outpacing invasion inflation. It's because we're adding administrative staff faster
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than we're adding students, faster than we're having professor or
the regular administrators. And this is true because I know
of one school here in this state where the number
of administrators exceeded the number of students, one of the
major universities in California. I know this for sure.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh, I know which one.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know which one. We both paid for it. Yes,
we did that. Now, just a few years ago, in
twenty twenty, the cost was seventy eight thousand, which is outrageous.
That is outrageous. But it's gone from seventy eight thousand
to ninety six thousand in the last five years. So
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here's what she did. He used some AI during free weekends.
There's a common room in the dorms basement. It always
flooded when it rains. They never fixed the leak, so
they have plastic tarps to protect the workspaces. This is
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what you get for ninety s.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I was gonna say they can't afford to fix that.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
No, that's obscene. So ninety six thousand dollars and it
rains on you while you're doing your work. And he wondered, well,
why is the school so expensive? So he ran AI
to identify the jobs at Brown, and he went looking
for the dei jobs, redundant jobs, and what he called
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bull bleep jobs. He created a database of thirty eight
hundred non faculty employees. All right, there's no professors here,
or assistant professors or adjunct professors. It's thirty eight thousand
non faculty employees. And he emailed them the question, the
magic question, the Elon Musk question, what do you do
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all day? That question which apparently makes people insane when
they got the email. He said he was a journalist
for the Brown Spectator, which is an on campus journal
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that is being relaunched. And he says, the thing about
AI is that always works better when you have more data.
So I emailed all these administrators so I could get
more data in their words, about what they do, what
their job is, to make the model more accurate. So
here's his report. At a thirty eight hundred and five
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people that he emailed, only twenty responded and almost all
The responses were hostile, such as fu. Another one was
stick an entire cactus up your Ooh yeah it hurt.
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One of the administrators leaked his social Security number. Wow,
now she is facing several disciplinary charges. He's the bad guy.
These people are stealing millions and millions of dollars from
the students and parents. He just asks, well, what do
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you do? And these victims are claiming emotional and psychological harm,
invasion of privacy, misrepresentation, violation of operational rules. What invasion
of privacy? What emotional harm? The question was what do
you do all day? What is it with me? Is
everybody nuts?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You don't have to answer his email.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think when you get an email like that, I
think some people may feel that the intention of that
email is you're not really doing anything. I want to
know what you're going to do or what you are
doing well, And people get very sensitive.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Because they're caught. That's why everybody's screaming in Washington about
these budget cuts, because the scam is over and they're angry.
They've been making a lot of money for many years
doing nothing. You know, there's been there's all been all
kinds of scams and money laundering and theft going on
well like like here with the homeless industry in the
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city of Los Angeles, in the County of Los Angeles,
it's a lot of theft and money laundering, and the
university says in the early morning hours of Tuesday, March eighteenth,
emails were sent to thirty eight hundred Brown staff members
building the launch of a website that appeared to use
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improperly used data accessed through a university technology platform. I
guess he went into the database that lists all the employees,
and so they want to charge him with some kind
of university crime. The thing that, you know what, they've
all got a racket going And there's so much at
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these universities, like the government, where people are stealing money.
They're taking big salaries for doing nothing, either literally doing
nothing or doing stuff that's entirely unnecessary. And they hear
footsteps and they're getting angry because they know they can't
do anything for real in life. They can't work for
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a real company that produces products and services and in
the private sector that has to compete with other companies.
They know they can't and it panics them and they
feel they're entitled to their ridiculous six figure pay and
their nonsense job. And Brown says these charges I'm sorry,
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She the student says, the charges are ridiculous. I think
the people across the country realize the price of education
is out of control. And Brown is telling people not
to respond. They're doing all this other action against me
shows they're trying to hide something. Yeah, they are, because they,
like most of these schools, are stealing money. I've had
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to pay outrageous tuitions to various schools, outrageous tuitions to
private schools that more than tripled while my kids were
in the school. The tuition more than tripled, and I
didn't see where the money went, but there were extra
people being hired for vague jobs in hidden offices. Everybody
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knows this is a scam. It's who's gonna you know?
This is what Trump and Musk are doing. They're the
first two guys that had the will to try to
stop at least some of it. Everybody else is too timid.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I'm really sick and tired of paying all these things,
paying for things that I should not have to pay for, pain,
extra It's just it's really not fair, John. I know
life isn't fair, but life isn't fair. I know, I know, John,
I've come to that realization, but it still pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And the country is one big scam. I'm starting to
think like the whole country is one big scam and
always has been. But they brainwash you when you're young
to idealize these universities and patriotic towards the government and
have respect to the political system, and admire all the
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big corporations. And it's all just a racket to steal
money from you. I guess that's human nature. And you
put human nature in a free capitalist society like ours,
and it's not just going to be it's not just
going to be working and doing your best in order
to get good rewards. It's going to be how could
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I steal the money? How can I steal the money
and not have to work, not have to produce a
good product or a good service. It's just how do
I steal the money? And that's what we have pervasive
now everywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
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Speaker 1 (27:09):
We are on from one until four every day. John
Coopaul is going to be on the show right after
Deborah's three o'clock News. John is the president of Howard
Jarvis Taxpayers Association, And I figured you'd like this, Deborah,
because you're always tracking all the surcharges you get.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Oh, I went to a restaurant that had one of
those yet again over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, one of those surcharges.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, to help to help the employees.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
To help the employees, that's what that's what they their
pay is for. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Why don't you pay them more because I'm not getting
paid extra?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Is anybody paying me or right?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And that's automatically in the in the charge? Yes, four
percent charge. Yeah, that's not that's not legal. They can't
force you to pay that. Well, that's what we were wondering.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why it, because I don't so.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Much of life now is you have to be willing
to start a fight in public. And that's what they use.
They leverage you're a person's natural reluctance to start a
ruckus in public, especially if they out to dinner and
they're out with friends or family.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well that's the thing, right, we were out with friends.
Do you really want to make a big to do
about it?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, you know what I would tell I would probably
go up to the manager afterwards quietly and say, I'm
not coming here as long as you had that surcharge
you got me this time because I don't want to
make a ruckus, but forget it, we're not coming back.
I mean, that's a good point, and tell them or
call them up.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But the restaurant was packed. And the other restaurant that
you and I have talked about that actually got rid
of that. Well, my husband actually did say something the
very first time we noticed it. It was way more
than four percent, and they didn't care. And so my
husband's anyway, that doesn't matter, but he kind of got
into it, and they don't care because because there's a
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fact and they and they have a few.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Of those restaurant and it's only four percent, and that's well,
you see, then let them pay. I'm not going to
pay those because you don't need any particular restaurant in
your life, and if they're going to abuse the uh,
the customer relationship, then I'm just not going there. I mean,
I went into that restaurant one day thinking it was
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gone and it wasn't. And I walked in, looked at
the menu, saw that charge was still there, and I
walked right out the back door.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Right, And you know what, it's not that you can't
afford it. It's just not right. It's not right if
you I mean to sit there and say, okay, you
need to pay to help my employees with whatever, you
need to pay them more? Yeah, why are we I
have to pay for my own health insurance. I have
to pay for my own everything. I've paid my kids college,
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I've done all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
This is all about being emotionally manipulative. All the great
left wing causes involves somehow shaming people, manipulating them. Oh
you don't care, you're not empty.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's the same thing with that proposition that was on
the balllet to help the homeless? Right, So if you don't,
what do you mean? You come on, you could afford
four percent? Don't you want to help these people back
back there?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
They're no, I don't. I just wanted to cook my
food and serve them.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's not I mean, it's why is it my Why
is it up.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
To me to do that? Here's a career idea. Don't
be a waitress, don't work as a cook, Go and
get a college degree in an industry that pays more money,
or it's not up to me to help.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Here's the other thing, John, that a restaurant should do.
Raise your French fries or whatever it is by twenty
cents and then and then don't write, don't ask your
customers to pay for your employees' healthcare or whatever it is,
and then just raise your price is twenty cents or
a dollar, nobody will know.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And you could choose not to buy the French fries.
Like now I've stopped buying the restaurant prices are so high.
It's like I skip the salad, right, I skip the dessert,
I skip the second glass of wine. You just pick
something you're gonna skip. But that's the way to keep
the prices down, right, or those we're so outrageous, But.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Or people, what they're going to do is they're going
to leave a smaller tip and then get to And
my husband has done that as well. And then I
feel bad because most of the time the weight staff
was great, and I feel bad about that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's their problems. You came there to get a fairly
priced meal, right, I mean, come on, you're not there
to be a union negotiator for them, you know. I
don't worry about them. They can always choose another career
if it's not working out.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
But I don't want to feel emotionally manipulated either.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well it gets me mad. Any any business that emotion
manipulates me, I don't want to go when we come back,
John Coopaul present, Well, here's another thing that's coming in
the mail. Menacing letters from the City of Los Angeles
Housing Department, not to be confused with the Homeless Housing,
demanding that you pay thirty one dollars in five cents
(31:56):
a special fee or explain why you shouldn't have to.
And it has something to do with rent control, Like
you know there are homes under rent control, and if
they send you a thirty one dollars fee, you have
to explain why your home isn't under rent control something
like that. I don't particular, I don't completely understand this.
(32:18):
But that's why John Coupaul is coming on, because a
lot of our listeners in LA are getting or will
be getting these letters, and we are here to explain
the world for you. Uh oh, And if you have
to rely on me or me, okay, but it's all
you got right. No one else is even trying Debor
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I was reading today an extensive story in the New
(00:23):
York Times about the extreme sexual abuse against thousands of
children and teenagers here in La County from nineteen fifteen
nine to the two thousands in the juvenile system and
the foster care system. It's really egregious stuff. It's really
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awful to read. People have really suffered. I don't know
who they were hiring to work in the juvenile halls
and who they were hiring in these foster homes. I mean,
all kinds of sick sexual predators for decades, decades. How
did they all know to get jobs doing this? Nothing
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was ever done, and now there's seven thousand victims. They're
going to get a total of four billion dollars from
La County tax beyers, and they're gonna have to borrow
a lot of money that's not going to be paid
back until the year twenty fifty one. Yeah, annual payments
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through the fiscal year twenty fifty twenty fifty one. We're
going to talk with an attorney for some of the plaintiffs,
Patrick McNicholas, who represents more than twelve hundred victims. This
is an astonishing story. Patrick, welcome, How are you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm just fine. Thank you, and John, thank you for
your interest in the story. It's important.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The sexual and physical and emotional abuse that some of
these I guess every ball of them, wall the planets
went through. It's just extraordinary. I'm reading some of the
stories today and this happened so long ago. Many of
them were so small. How is it that this could
go on in such a widespread manner and nobody talked
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about it, and nobody was arrested, fired anything. I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, first of all, it's the problem that we've seen
repeated throughout the country and all over the world. Actually, well,
you have an epidemic of sexual abuse of children, and
in this particular instance, it's a complete failure of government.
It's a lack of oversight, it's a lack of procedures
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and When you have that, you have predators that can
run wild, and they did for years and years, so.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
There was no screening process to keep people out, and
then these sexual attacks happened, these rapes happened, there was
no process to get rid of them. Nobody cared. I mean,
for you know, fifty years, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't think it was on anybody's radar, to be
quite honest, John, I think that they're focused on different things.
But you've seen this in other institutions, from Penn State
to the church, to the Boy Scouts. So the Ellie
County government didn't invent it, but they certainly did nothing
to look at it, address it and prevent it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
This is one of these situations, and we've covered this
for many years, whether it's the you know, the Catholic Church,
the LA Unified School District, Boy Scouts, universally, everybody I've
ever known in life, if this topic came up, they
seem to be personally disgusted by it. And it seems
everyone who isn't disgusted or is actually turned on and
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excited by this ends up working for one of these agencies.
I guess they know that's where the victys are and
I guess they sense they can get away with it.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, when you have this type of conduct, you have
sexual predators and they know where to go, they know
how not to be caught. But in a lot of
these instances, you know, these atrocities weren't just sexual they
were you know, abuses of power and exercising power over
individuals who were powerless. And in fact, these people were
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relying on the government to protect them, and it's the
government that ended up injuring them a second time. It's
pretty horrific.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Explain to people how it is that crimes that might
have been committed as far back as nineteen fifty nine
could still be open to a legal settlement. Now, normally
there's a statute of limitations, but that got waived in
a lot of cases. Explain how that works.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It didn't just get waived. There was legislation that was
passed that opened up a window to extend the statute
of limitations that was assembly built to eighteen and so
it went back to nineteen fifty nine. And there's other states,
by the way, that have similar statutes, and some states
completely abolish the statue of limitations for sexual abuse because
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it was view to such atrocity, and because people never
wanted to come out and say anything, so they wanted
to give them a chance to get lead dressed. So
I think we have to say at least one bright
spot is that the government did something to help these
people so that they could right this wrong get a
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sense of restorative justice in the County of La has
now stepped up. They did apologize, and again we have
to give them credit for that, but we do have
to do a hard look back and make sure that
they are safegunts in place so that this can never
happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But most people were having trouble stomaching the idea that
now taxpayers and you know, none of us had anything
to do with this, have to know fork over four
billion dollars when the county and the city of La
is falling apart. I mean, the place is a wreck,
and we got tens of thousands of people out on
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the streets and we don't seem to have the money,
you know, for the mental health clinics for them. And
now we got to pay another four billion dollars and
we've got to borrow a lot of it, and we're
to be paying that off until the twenty fifties. I mean,
it just doesn't seem there's any protection for innocent taxpayers.
None of us had anything to do with this.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, that's correct, and also, you know, it's a rational
analysis and it's overlaid with emotion. But the fact of
the matter is, over the long haul, this will save
the County of Los Angeles money because the market the
way these cases get settled, and in this particular instance,
they looked at the exposure to the county and then
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and we spent about a year and a half John
negotiating this resolution. Specifically, one of the goals in mind
was to ensure the viability of the County of LA,
to protect the taxpayers to the extent that we were able.
We had to keep the County of La out of bankruptcy,
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because if the County of La had gone into bankruptcy,
it would have been disastrous not only for the survivors,
but also for the county itself and the citizens here.
So over the long haul, you look at it as
an investment because these people will now have resources. They
can get medical help, they can get emotional help, they
can get intervention because the problems that arise from this
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type of wound which never hears about suicides you have
drug addiction. So I think that the county did the
absolute best they could. It's not a perfect resolution, but
for all involved, it was the best option and available.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, this is going to take money away from you know,
fire protection, well, the sheriff's department, the mental health that
all these crazy people in the streets need. I mean,
you know, current day citizens are going to be affected
by this.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't think so to the extent that you think
they will, because one of the things that we you know,
this was acrimonious, it was emotional, and it was a
hard resolution to get to, but we wanted to make
sure that essential services weren't cut and that the basic
necessities of the county, you know, the people that live here,
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they weren't going to feel it. So I think that
everything will remain intact. I don't think they're going to
have cuts to fire. I don't think they're going to
have touch to safety. And again, I think that this
was a balancing act and it's the best we could do.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Why don't we know the names the perpetrators? Since we
have to pay four billion dollars in settlements, shouldn't we
know the names of every employee living and dead, and
what they were accused of, because obviously the names are
in the civil suits.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right, so those names are known. There's going to be
some perps who are not known because this goes back
to fifty nine and a lot of the records have
been destroyed. So to the extent that we are able,
we're finding those in discovery from the county, and further,
we're getting the names of as many of those perpetrators
as we can from all the individual survivors.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But every time somebody reported, you know, whether it was
a child or a relative, or a witness or some
one of the workers, they reported something, did anybody in
the county ever do anything about it? It just seems
if you've wracked up seven thousand victims here in this
one lawsuit, did everybody always turn away and tell the kid, oh,
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you're making it up, you're lying, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So, first of all, you can see that this pattern repeats,
and you know, I remember when you were reporting on
the you know, the Catholic Church scandal way back in
the day, and then we've seen the Boy Scouts, We've
seen Penn State, we seeing other institutions. So the first
part of the problem is people don't want to come
forward and talk about this sort of thing. And in
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this instance, it was even worse because you're talking about
kids that were in the civil justice system and in
foster homes, and they were still subject to the power
of the county throughout this process. So most of them
did not report it. When it was reported, often it
wasn't viewed as credible, wasn't taken seriously, and then there's
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the you know, circle the wagons approach. So most of
the instances not reported, and many of the instances where
it was nothing occurred.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, we will get the names though of these people.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Well some of them on filed right now. You can
get them because they're with the Superior Court at this point.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean, they should be reported in the news
media here, I mean especially, I mean, are they still
working for the county these people? No, No, everybody's gone.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
If they are, I'm certainly not aware of.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
All right, Well, thank you for coming on, Patrick McNicholas,
Thank you very much. All right, And Patrick McNicholas is
one of the attorneys representing twelve hundred of the victims
out of the seven thousand that are going to share
four billion dollars in this sex abuse settlement for La
County going back to nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
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Speaker 1 (11:40):
You can follow us John Cobelt Radio on social media
less than five hundred followers to go to hit twenty
five thousand. Well, we were just talking with Patrick McNicholas
because he helped negotiated negotiate a settlement with LA County
on behalf of well total of seven thousand victims roughly
of child sex abuse, rape sexual attacks in the juvenile
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facilities and foster home system here in Los Angeles. And
Patrick McNicholas represented twelve hundred victims. And this is going
to be four billion dollars and the county is going
to be paying this off for the next twenty six years,
so that you're twenty to fifty one. They're gonna have
to borrow a lot of money. This is gonna be
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annual payments made. They're gonna use reserve funds. They're gonna
cut some county departments. I cannot believe. I mean, they
have a list here of all the the archdiocese. It
was a billion and a half dollars. Here in La
boy Scouts paid two and a half billion dollars. You know,
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that was not the good old days years ago. Yeah,
you had grown adults, all this sexual activity involving children,
all these adults, and they all got in trusted positions
and nobody said anything. What was wrong with that generation?
Something was peculiar because so many people in that generation
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were attacking little kids and everybody else would just would
just ignore it, not believe the kids. Just watch. I
don't know. Something sick about that old generation. Now, this
is how you deal with these child molasters. They're doing
it properly in prison. You know. Since Newsom will not
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impose the death penalty on prisoners, some inmates are imposing
their own death penalty. And at the Mule Creek State Prison,
which is up north in Amador County, they found Robert
Cole unresponsive in his cell at six point thirty in
the morning Friday, and he was dead. He was forty
(13:52):
eight years old. And this guy was given a life
sentence for multiple violent sex crimes, sex with a child
under ten and all these other terrible things. I didn't
want to read them, but yeah, he was sexually attacking
and raping children, little children, and fortunately he was killed
by another inmate, by his cellmate, Justin Welsh. They've had
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a run of inmates being killed all over the state.
Last month, Joshua Peppers was killed after being attacked by
a fellow inmate at the Lancaster Prison. Also last month,
a guy named Jake Kennedy multiple stab wounds in Sacramento Prison.
So yeah, I think I think dyana take Justin Welsh,
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who killed Robert Cole, and make him the roommate, the
cellmate of all the other child molesters in our system.
Let him have at it. I mean, these guys have.
Welsh was already a two strike offender and he sentenced
to eighteen years for his latest crime. And you know
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now now he's really got ething to lose because now
he'll be in prison for the rest of his life.
But I'd pair him up, you know, out thin out
the sex molester population. That's a good idea. Since Newsome
won't do anything about it, I would put I'd put
Justin Welsh in charge. Let these psychos kill each other.
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And mull Creek where Welsh killed Robert Cole, that was
the site where one of the inmates killed his wife
during a conjugal visit same prison. I don't know what's
going on there. This is in Plaster County, so there's
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been a whole run of these. And then there was
another guy in Monterey County jail and he was assaulted
and killed just on Sunday. So I think, you know,
prison justice is the best kind of justice.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
We're on every day from one till four and after
four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app.
You know, Brown University, which is one of the Ivy
League schools, produces a lot of wieners, a lot of
strange people. I don't know if you remember, but a
few years ago, at the height of the alternate sexuality
frenzy that the country was experiencing, thirty eight percent, thirty
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eight percent of Brown University students claimed they were an
l G, A B, A T or a Q or
A plus or an I or an A thirty eight percent,
which is really preposterous. It's no such thing. But either
they were imagining this because of all the social pressure,
or they were wanted to experiment or I suspect a
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lot of them found social status at the time by
declaring that they were one of the magic letters. And
of course Brown University produces many of the Wieners who
get involved in government work or law. It's usually like law, politics,
or finance. Those are the three major industries that the
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Ivy League schools provide, provide employees for. And then you
get occasionally someone who's completely different. And Alex she spells
his name, shi eh, I'm guessing Alex. She is a
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student at Brown University, and he is getting angrier and
angrier over the cost of tuition. I can't believe this number.
But she says that Brown is going to charged ninety
three thousand and sixty four dollars ninety three thousand and
(18:09):
so Fox News went to check that, and uh, yeah,
you go to the website and on the website the
total charges say ninety five thousand. Do I get my
degree after freshman year? No, you'd have to pay four
hundred thousand dollars to get the degree. So she says,
(18:34):
I think that's crazy. I don't understand why it cost
that much. I never understood why it cost that much.
I did some digging and I discovered the reason why
the price of college in general across the nation, but
particularly at Brown, it's been rising over the past few decades,
outpacing invasion inflation. It's because we're adding administrative staff faster
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than we're adding students, faster than we're having professor or
the regular administrators. And this is true because I know
of one school here in this state where the number
of administrators exceeded the number of students, one of the
major universities in California. I know this for sure.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh, I know which one.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know which one. We both paid for it. Yes,
we did that. Now, just a few years ago, in
twenty twenty, the cost was seventy eight thousand, which is outrageous.
That is outrageous. But it's gone from seventy eight thousand
to ninety six thousand in the last five years. So
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here's what she did. He used some AI during free weekends.
There's a common room in the dorms basement. It always
flooded when it rains. They never fixed the leak, so
they have plastic tarps to protect the workspaces. This is
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what you get for ninety s.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I was gonna say they can't afford to fix that.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
No, that's obscene. So ninety six thousand dollars and it
rains on you while you're doing your work. And he wondered, well,
why is the school so expensive? So he ran AI
to identify the jobs at Brown, and he went looking
for the dei jobs, redundant jobs, and what he called
(20:27):
bull bleep jobs. He created a database of thirty eight
hundred non faculty employees. All right, there's no professors here,
or assistant professors or adjunct professors. It's thirty eight thousand
non faculty employees. And he emailed them the question, the
magic question, the Elon Musk question, what do you do
(20:49):
all day? That question which apparently makes people insane when
they got the email. He said he was a journalist
for the Brown Spectator, which is an on campus journal
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that is being relaunched. And he says, the thing about
AI is that always works better when you have more data.
So I emailed all these administrators so I could get
more data in their words, about what they do, what
their job is, to make the model more accurate. So
here's his report. At a thirty eight hundred and five
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people that he emailed, only twenty responded and almost all
The responses were hostile, such as fu. Another one was
stick an entire cactus up your Ooh yeah it hurt.
(21:55):
One of the administrators leaked his social Security number. Wow,
now she is facing several disciplinary charges. He's the bad guy.
These people are stealing millions and millions of dollars from
the students and parents. He just asks, well, what do
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you do? And these victims are claiming emotional and psychological harm,
invasion of privacy, misrepresentation, violation of operational rules. What invasion
of privacy? What emotional harm? The question was what do
you do all day? What is it with me? Is
everybody nuts?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You don't have to answer his email.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think when you get an email like that, I
think some people may feel that the intention of that
email is you're not really doing anything. I want to
know what you're going to do or what you are
doing well, And people get very sensitive.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Because they're caught. That's why everybody's screaming in Washington about
these budget cuts, because the scam is over and they're angry.
They've been making a lot of money for many years
doing nothing. You know, there's been there's all been all
kinds of scams and money laundering and theft going on
well like like here with the homeless industry in the
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city of Los Angeles, in the County of Los Angeles,
it's a lot of theft and money laundering, and the
university says in the early morning hours of Tuesday, March eighteenth,
emails were sent to thirty eight hundred Brown staff members
building the launch of a website that appeared to use
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improperly used data accessed through a university technology platform. I
guess he went into the database that lists all the employees,
and so they want to charge him with some kind
of university crime. The thing that, you know what, they've
all got a racket going And there's so much at
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these universities, like the government, where people are stealing money.
They're taking big salaries for doing nothing, either literally doing
nothing or doing stuff that's entirely unnecessary. And they hear
footsteps and they're getting angry because they know they can't
do anything for real in life. They can't work for
(24:25):
a real company that produces products and services and in
the private sector that has to compete with other companies.
They know they can't and it panics them and they
feel they're entitled to their ridiculous six figure pay and
their nonsense job. And Brown says these charges I'm sorry,
(24:50):
She the student says, the charges are ridiculous. I think
the people across the country realize the price of education
is out of control. And Brown is telling people not
to respond. They're doing all this other action against me
shows they're trying to hide something. Yeah, they are, because they,
like most of these schools, are stealing money. I've had
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to pay outrageous tuitions to various schools, outrageous tuitions to
private schools that more than tripled while my kids were
in the school. The tuition more than tripled, and I
didn't see where the money went, but there were extra
people being hired for vague jobs in hidden offices. Everybody
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knows this is a scam. It's who's gonna you know?
This is what Trump and Musk are doing. They're the
first two guys that had the will to try to
stop at least some of it. Everybody else is too timid.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I'm really sick and tired of paying all these things,
paying for things that I should not have to pay for, pain,
extra It's just it's really not fair, John. I know
life isn't fair, but life isn't fair. I know, I know, John,
I've come to that realization, but it still pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And the country is one big scam. I'm starting to
think like the whole country is one big scam and
always has been. But they brainwash you when you're young
to idealize these universities and patriotic towards the government and
have respect to the political system, and admire all the
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big corporations. And it's all just a racket to steal
money from you. I guess that's human nature. And you
put human nature in a free capitalist society like ours,
and it's not just going to be it's not just
going to be working and doing your best in order
to get good rewards. It's going to be how could
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I steal the money? How can I steal the money
and not have to work, not have to produce a
good product or a good service. It's just how do
I steal the money? And that's what we have pervasive
now everywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We are on from one until four every day. John
Coopaul is going to be on the show right after
Deborah's three o'clock News. John is the president of Howard
Jarvis Taxpayers Association, And I figured you'd like this, Deborah,
because you're always tracking all the surcharges you get.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Oh, I went to a restaurant that had one of
those yet again over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, one of those surcharges.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, to help to help the employees.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
To help the employees, that's what that's what they their
pay is for. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Why don't you pay them more because I'm not getting
paid extra?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Is anybody paying me or right?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And that's automatically in the in the charge? Yes, four
percent charge. Yeah, that's not that's not legal. They can't
force you to pay that. Well, that's what we were wondering.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why it, because I don't so.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Much of life now is you have to be willing
to start a fight in public. And that's what they use.
They leverage you're a person's natural reluctance to start a
ruckus in public, especially if they out to dinner and
they're out with friends or family.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well that's the thing, right, we were out with friends.
Do you really want to make a big to do
about it?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, you know what I would tell I would probably
go up to the manager afterwards quietly and say, I'm
not coming here as long as you had that surcharge
you got me this time because I don't want to
make a ruckus, but forget it, we're not coming back.
I mean, that's a good point, and tell them or
call them up.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But the restaurant was packed. And the other restaurant that
you and I have talked about that actually got rid
of that. Well, my husband actually did say something the
very first time we noticed it. It was way more
than four percent, and they didn't care. And so my
husband's anyway, that doesn't matter, but he kind of got
into it, and they don't care because because there's a
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fact and they and they have a few.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Of those restaurant and it's only four percent, and that's well,
you see, then let them pay. I'm not going to
pay those because you don't need any particular restaurant in
your life, and if they're going to abuse the uh,
the customer relationship, then I'm just not going there. I mean,
I went into that restaurant one day thinking it was
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gone and it wasn't. And I walked in, looked at
the menu, saw that charge was still there, and I
walked right out the back door.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Right, And you know what, it's not that you can't
afford it. It's just not right. It's not right if
you I mean to sit there and say, okay, you
need to pay to help my employees with whatever, you
need to pay them more? Yeah, why are we I
have to pay for my own health insurance. I have
to pay for my own everything. I've paid my kids college,
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I've done all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
This is all about being emotionally manipulative. All the great
left wing causes involves somehow shaming people, manipulating them. Oh
you don't care, you're not empty.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's the same thing with that proposition that was on
the balllet to help the homeless? Right, So if you don't,
what do you mean? You come on, you could afford
four percent? Don't you want to help these people back
back there?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
They're no, I don't. I just wanted to cook my
food and serve them.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's not I mean, it's why is it my Why
is it up.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
To me to do that? Here's a career idea. Don't
be a waitress, don't work as a cook, Go and
get a college degree in an industry that pays more money,
or it's not up to me to help.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Here's the other thing, John, that a restaurant should do.
Raise your French fries or whatever it is by twenty
cents and then and then don't write, don't ask your
customers to pay for your employees' healthcare or whatever it is,
and then just raise your price is twenty cents or
a dollar, nobody will know.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And you could choose not to buy the French fries.
Like now I've stopped buying the restaurant prices are so high.
It's like I skip the salad, right, I skip the dessert,
I skip the second glass of wine. You just pick
something you're gonna skip. But that's the way to keep
the prices down, right, or those we're so outrageous, But.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Or people, what they're going to do is they're going
to leave a smaller tip and then get to And
my husband has done that as well. And then I
feel bad because most of the time the weight staff
was great, and I feel bad about that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's their problems. You came there to get a fairly
priced meal, right, I mean, come on, you're not there
to be a union negotiator for them, you know. I
don't worry about them. They can always choose another career
if it's not working out.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
But I don't want to feel emotionally manipulated either.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well it gets me mad. Any any business that emotion
manipulates me, I don't want to go when we come back,
John Coopaul present, Well, here's another thing that's coming in
the mail. Menacing letters from the City of Los Angeles
Housing Department, not to be confused with the Homeless Housing,
demanding that you pay thirty one dollars in five cents
(31:56):
a special fee or explain why you shouldn't have to.
And it has something to do with rent control, Like
you know there are homes under rent control, and if
they send you a thirty one dollars fee, you have
to explain why your home isn't under rent control something
like that. I don't particular, I don't completely understand this.
(32:18):
But that's why John Coupaul is coming on, because a
lot of our listeners in LA are getting or will
be getting these letters, and we are here to explain
the world for you. Uh oh, And if you have
to rely on me or me, okay, but it's all
you got right. No one else is even trying Debor
(32:39):
Mark is live in the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey,
you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You
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