October 31, 2025 • 34 mins
The John Kobylt Show Hour 1 (10/31) - Royal Oakes comes on the show to talk about the emergency funds for SNAP benefits that were released by order of two federal judges. More on the Capitol Annex project boonjoggle going on up in Sacramento. An animal rights activists was arrested for releasing 4 chickens from a poultry facility in Sonoma County.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am six forty you're listening to the John Cobel
Podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
We got a lot to do today.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We've got the Moistline coming up twice in the three
o'clock hour, and we will be on the air as
usual from one to four and then after four o'clock
John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. That's
the podcast same as the radio show. With the government
shut down, you've probably heard that they don't have any
money to pay the air traffic controllers, and some of
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the traffic controllers are not showing up for work sometimes
because they're working at another job that actually pays. TSA
agents are getting paid either just what you want. Also,
people who get STAP benefits as of tomorrow are we're
not going to get anymore and SNAP benefits or food stamps.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
And last year.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Forty almost forty two million people got these benefits foodstamps,
forty two million, that's like twelve percent of the country
and spending totals about one hundred billion. One hundred billion
dollars of the budget goes for food stamps.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And today there was a.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Decision by a judge because the Trump administration says, well,
we're cutting off benefits tomorrow because we don't have the money,
and we can't use the emergency fund because that's meant
for things like hurricanes.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, a judge disagreed.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Today, let's talk to Royal Oaks, ABC News legal analysts
about the decision.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Royal Yeah, John. A couple of lawsuits federal court in
Massachusetts and Rhode Island about a couple of dozen of
states who are run by Democrats, their attorneys general going
to court Massachusetts and then down on Rhode Island. You
got a union and some nonprofits and they make the
same argument. Look, judge, this is a crisis. It's an emergency.
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You know, some stuff is mandatory, and we're going to
maintain our nuclear bombs. You know, we don't cut that off.
We pay for that. Similarly, you know, you've got seniors
and the veterans and kids need the food. And both
judges said, you're right. It was a double barreled loss
for Donald Trump, and he could run to the appeals
court and maybe get it reversed. But as of now,
based on what happened in the last hour or so,
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both of the suits have been successful and therefore the
money will keep flowing.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And this emergency fund has a five billion dollars in it,
and which if they're spending probably eight billion a month,
nine billion a month, this emergency fund isn't going to
cover the staff benefits very long. Maybe two three.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Weeks, that's true.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
True, Yeah, it's not going to last that long. And
it's such a weird inside baseball thing. The rule is
that if Congress has to approve money every single year
for something, then that's discretionary. And you know, if there
is no government, then the money doesn't go. But you'll
notice that, like for Social Security and medicare those keep
going even though the government's shut down because Congress didn't say, oh, yeah,
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every year, we're going to say yes to Social Security.
That's perpetual. What they do every year is they pay employees.
And the Trump administration's position was, we know there are
billions lying around for this, but employees, human beings, have
to push the buttons and process the envelopes and get
it out the door, and we can't pay them, and
it's illegal to pay them during the shutdowns. You know,
there are two sides to the coin. But the judges felt,
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you know, lives are in the balance can't get the
food out the door.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Regardless of the shutdown, the tax revenue keeps coming in.
I mean, the money does exist. It's just that we
don't have employees who are who can process because we
have it officially funded those employees to process.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Exactly right. But you know, the whole shutdown thing, as
you know, John, I mean, I think it started back
when Clinton and nut Gingrich were facing off, and ever
since then, it is no matter what's right, it's a
matter of which political party is saying, oh, we think
we're going to win at the polls because the other
guys are going to be seen as the bad guys.
You know, which is a croc. I mean, if you
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have a family where the husband and wife don't really
get along, and the white says I want spaghetti this
week and the dad says I want steak and they
can't agree. Well, the kids don't starve, you know, they
buy food and you know they process it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
They just shut it down.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They don't stop going to the grocery store. They don't
stop cooking.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Dinner, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, this this government shutdown is particularly stupid because the
money does exist. The revenues are coming in, and much
of the spending is is fake spending anyway. It's either
borrowed money or printed money. So for everyone to stand
around saying, hey, I don't know, we're broke, there's no
money here, we can't stand out the food stamps, it's
kind of nonsense.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, And it's just so arbitrary because, as I mentioned,
I mean Medicare and social Security that keeps going even
though there's a shutdown. You know, notice nobody loses their
checks for that, And that's because Congress doesn't have to say, okay,
every single year, yes we approve of Medicare, Yes we
approve of social Security, because that's perpetual that keeps going.
But again, the human beings that have to push the
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buttons at least as to step according to the Trump administration,
you know, our hands are tied. We just can't do it.
But it's just so artificial. It's so arbitrary because you
got this line. Is it mandatory or discretion?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear Trump administration wanted to
put on extreme pressure on the Democrats to settle this
by creating forty million hungry people.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, that's right, and you know what everybody's reporting on
the fact that Donald Trump, you know, he's globetrotting. He's
going to meet machieb over China. He's not exactly acting
like there's a crisis at home. It's almost like it
doesn't exist in his mind. So yeah, I'm guessing that
he and his advisors have sat around in the OPAL
office and said, Okay, how do we think is this
going to be like the gingrich Clinton thing where everybody
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is going to blame the GOP. Now, we don't really
think so. We think that we're going to win the
pr battle. But you know, it's just so silly that
this decision should be made based on some sort of
a political you know, game about you know, who's gonna
who's gonna it's gonna be playing chicken. You know, who's
going to jump off of the train track. First meantime,
you know, people are hurting, people aren't aren't getting food.
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But again, you know, we're paying the soldiers are still
on the front lines. The nuclear bombs, you know, we're
still polishing them, and you know, and you know, tightening
the lug nuts on the thermonuclear weapons because that's essential,
that's mandatory as opposed to discretionary stuff, which Trump said,
you know this snap food program.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So how are air traffic controllers and TSA inspectors not mandatory?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean that to you is only nuts.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's crazy, you know, I mean clearly. I mean you
remember back in the Reagan era when like his first
few months in office he really kind of made his
name for being a tough guy. He fired every single
air traffic controller because they were out on strike, and
everybody said, oh my gosh, what does the planes fall
out of the sky. Well, yeah, he would have had
a black eye, but they didn't, and instead Reagan was
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seen as a strong, tough guy. So you know, how
lucky do you feel? You know, are you know? Are
is there going to be some disastrous some catastrophe? But
when it comes to food, you know that that's not
like a plane crash, that's just sort of the dribs
and drabs. Is somebody going to be hungry for the
weekend or not? So maybe the Trump administration feels like
it isn't that bigger crisis.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
There are so many traffic controllers calling in sick now,
partly to go work at a second job that has
a real paycheck, that but you're playing a roulette game.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Oh absolutely, I mean that's public health, public safety right there.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
All right, very good, thank you, Royal Oaks.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Do you bet?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
All right, Royal Oaks, ABC News.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
The legal analyst side question here is how did we
create such a dependent society that forty two million people
live off food stamps? I mean, does why do they
all need food stamps? I wonder how much fraud is
in this program and how many people ought to be working?
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Forty two million people is roughly one out of every
one out of every eight people. Yeah, yeah, one out
of every eight people is on food stamps. That seems absurd.
And that's the culture. I mean, I've spent no time
on food stamps. I don't know anything about it. You
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know what the what the cutoff line is for income?
But geez, doesn't anybody have the pride to go to work?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And I, you know, I don't understand either. Like I hear.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I heard today that the superintendent the schools in Los Angeles, Carvallo,
He's telling people, Hey, come for dinner, bring your kids,
you know, for dinner, or we're gonna give you dinner
and you can take it home. And I'm thinking, Wow,
how if you're a parent, you have kids, isn't feeding
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your kids food at the top of the list for
whatever money you have, whether you're working or I just
don't understand it because we've been given out free lunches
and free dinners, and during COVID we were giving out
free meals, w free breakfast everything. It's like these schools
are like twenty four hour diners. Practically, It's like, why
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why can't parents feed their kids?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What do they do with their money?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I don't understand. If you're not making enough money to
give your kids lunch, then you've got to make more money.
You've got to make better decisions in life. But it's
the culture, it's the culture of dependency.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I'm very suspicious. Forty million people on food stamps. That
sounds that sounds really absurd. All right, more coming up
when we come back. Among the things we're going to
cover today is, you know, we got to play that
Ashley Zavalla story that we did not yesterday because the
big skill handel up in Sacramento that the Newsom is
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hiding from is this billion dollar plus capital annex boondoggle.
It's it's it's it's a massive construction project at the
state Capitol. It's been going on for years, it's way
over budget, way delayed, and everyone refuses to talk about
it or release any details. Well, we'll discuss that next.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
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Speaker 2 (10:31):
We had played your report, actually played you a clip
of Ashley Zavalla asking Gavin Newsom and Rob Bonta if
it's appropriate for legislators to be hiding all the information
about the cost of the Capital Annex project in Sacramento.
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And you're probably saying, I don't know anything about this. Well,
we played this clip earlier in the week. Ashley Zavala
is a reporter for Channel three KCRA and Sacramento, and
I swear to you she is the only reporter covering
Sacramento and all the terrible things going on there, the
only one, and she's doing award winning work, a one
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woman steamroller. And in Newsom actually inadvertently brought attention to
this boondoggle. It's costing over a billion dollars, it has
been going on for seven years. It's already more than
double the original estimate. This sounds like another version of
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high speed rail. But Newsom piled on the Trump ballroom
story even though that's private money, this is our public money.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And Ashley Zaballa was the.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Only one to say, well, what about the cost of
this Capital Annex project? And freezes Newsom, who deferred to
Rob bod to the Attorney General. And then if you
listen to this clip, Newsom drops his voice very low
and hushed in a very condescending way, acts as if
he's trying to calm Zavala down play. This cut at
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the beginning a little hard to hear, but this is
Avala asking the question.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
I want to first acknowledge that neither one of you
were leading the Capital Annex project, but mister Attorney Generals,
you voted to approve it.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
In twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Mister Governor, the part of.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
General Services that you oversee is part of it.
Speaker 8 (12:32):
It has been three years since the legislature updated the
public on the cost of that project. It is happening
right now, and it could be one of your limits
could probably oversee it. You've see the construction is happening,
but yet the Legislature's Joint Rules Committee refuses to provide
an update. We've reported that they have violated the legislative
of the Records Act.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
They are continuing to withhold public records.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
I have asked for an interview for more than.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
A year now, and no one will provide an up.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
I mean, is that is that appropriate?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
On a on a one of the most expensive buildings
in the United States.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
Of this stay.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
You're my attorney, by the way, I don't think that's appropriate.
This should providing the information period full stop.
Speaker 11 (13:15):
But for you to conflate or compare and contrast is
with all due respect, I think that I would separate.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Stop stop just a second. You noticed there was this
long pause and bot that Knewsom. We're looking at each other.
De youre in the headlights moment because nobody ever asks
any of this stuff. But it is seven years, it
is double the uh the cost and absolute secrecy. Nobody
can get any information out. The only one trying is
Ashley is Avalla. So she asks, and they freeze and
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they stare at each other, and then he goes, well,
you're my attorney, and then listen to the pivot. I'll
have you if you could back that up a little
bit again. Listen to him suddenly pivot. It's like to
make it sound like she's done something wrong that you
can't conflate and compare and contrast to the Trump situation.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Appropriate. They should provide you the information period, full stop.
Speaker 11 (14:04):
But for you to conflate or compare a contrast is
with all due respect, I think that I would separate
the ballroom and what Donald Trump just did and desecration.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
And the process and that he had evolved in.
Speaker 10 (14:15):
The fact that they should seven million dollars under curious
circumstances from the annex, and what the legislature is trying
to do. And I'm not trying to defend those actions,
but absolutely they should provide me.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You might just balance.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
I mean, there's construction happening in that capital, for your capital,
and so that's why I'm asking, Yeah, is that appropriate?
Speaker 10 (14:35):
Though?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I mean truly for the public to not.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Know how they should know?
Speaker 10 (14:38):
That's what I said, they should, you should that information whisper.
I agree it's inappropriate. Think, by the way, I didn't
know they were not talking to you. I apologize that
members of the legislature are not talking to you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
They're on recess. I'll check in with them, let me know.
Speaker 10 (14:50):
I'm happy to happy to help you try to get
access to members of the California Legislature with respect not
my branch of government. But I'm happy because it's a
taxpayer I'd like to know as well. I appreciate the
question you asked, and I think it would be appropriate
to provide that information, and you should have access to
it the publics of Public's building.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
You absolutely deserve that. So, yes, it's inappropriate.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
Yes you deserve that information, and yes we're happy to
help you.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He talks to her like she's somebody out of control
toddler and starts almost whispering, accuses her of conflating with
the Trump situation. No, but you see how he wastes
time and gets people to forget what the original question was.
This is his this is his m this is what
he does for a living, to deflect, to confuse the situation,
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and then to treat you with condescension. Now, now, hysterical woman,
don't you know your place? I'm now going to play
you the story that she's done this week on Gavin
Newsom's role in the Capital Annex project. Because he's been
claiming he's got nothing to do with it. There's been
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a number of nondisclosure agreements signed by people close to
Newsome regarding the project. So there's a massive cover up
going on here, and we're talking a project that is
costing over a billion dollars. Let's play cut number two.
Speaker 10 (16:16):
If I've talked with the legislative leaders, I'm going to
add a topic the next conversation around the annex.
Speaker 12 (16:22):
Governor Gavin Newsom this week promising to push for transparency
after I pressed him about the Capital Annex project. It
has been years since state lawmakers have provided an estimated
cost of the new office building that's now under construction
in downtown Sacramento. They have not been forthcoming about how
they're spending taxpayer dollars. Is that appropriate, though?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I mean truly for the public to not know how
much should know.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
That's what I said, they should. You should at that information.
I agree it's inappropriate. Thank by the way, I didn't
know they were not talking to you. I apologize that
members of the legislature are not talking to you.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
They're on recess. I'll check in with them. Let me know.
I'm happy to happy to help.
Speaker 10 (16:58):
You try to get access to members of the California
Legislature with respect, not my branch and government but I'm
happy because as a taxpayer, I'd like to know as well.
Speaker 12 (17:09):
California's legislature is leading the project, but Governor Newsom's office
has been more involved in it than he led on.
Documents from twenty eighteen show when the project was established,
they also created a three member executive committee that's expected
to meet regularly and to make final decisions on the
project on it Assembly Member Blanca Paateco, State Senator John Laird,
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and the Director of Operations for Governor Gavin Newsom, Miroslava.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
De la Oh.
Speaker 12 (17:35):
Documents provided through a legislative Open Records Act request to
show dela Oh recently signed a non disclosure agreement like
Paceco and Laird. As we reported last year, more than
two thousand people have signed the confidentiality agreement to legally
keep broad information about the project a secret.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Well, I, as a taxpayer, would also.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Like to know.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
Lurie Stetson was a member of the Public Accountability for
Our Capital Political Action Committee. She noted what della O
talks about with lawmakers is confidential.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Those three people made key decisions on the Capitol. More importantly,
they made those decisions privately and did not have to
disclose those.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
To the public.
Speaker 12 (18:15):
Does the governor truly not know the estimated cost of
the capital annex or how taxpayer dollars are being spent.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
It's not clear.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't know if the governor would or not his
staff might, Whether the staff informed him of that, we
don't know. We've tried to get in touch with the
governor over the last five years also and never.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Heard back from five years.
Speaker 12 (18:37):
I also reached out to the governor's office for comment
on all of this. In a statement, his spokesperson, Tara
Diego said, in part, we are not privy to detailed
financial information beyond what is addressed by the committee. The
NBA does not prevent the governor's staff from briefing him
on actions taken by the committee and limited information received
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in this function end quote. We should note we don't
know when that committee last met, and also I mean
the fact that we just aren't able to know anything
about this committee because everything they do is confidential. We're
in this moment where the use of taxpayer dollars in
knowing about it is important because the state has been
facing significant budget shortfalls. They have been strapped on cash,
so that's why we're asking.
Speaker 13 (19:18):
So what happened when you did ask when they last met?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
What was the answer to them?
Speaker 13 (19:23):
Right?
Speaker 12 (19:24):
The Joint Rules Committee, which I have been talking to today,
they didn't give me a response to that, but they
did say earlier today in a statement, Spokesharson said the
Executive Committee was designed to ensure collaboration and transparency. Despite
our claims of secrecy, we've shown all the evidence that
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there are documents in public information that has been withheld
there not forthcoming. All of the information we're getting about
this project is through leaks.
Speaker 13 (19:53):
If it wasn't an issue of secrecy, we would know
how much is being spent and on what They're very
simple questions.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I mean, it's it's not tricky exactly. Yeah, yes, d questions.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
We are Channel three up in Sacramento, kcr ATV. That's
a good news station.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Huh. You don't say anything like this on the LA
news stations. Do you have you.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Ever seen a conversation like that. We've got more on
this because this is a at least a one point
two billion dollar scandal. Because Ashley Zavala had a story
from last year. I'll read parts of it to you
when we return. What is this being used for because
the headline in last year's story this capital annex project
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is costing as much as a new NFL stadium.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Tell you more when we come back.
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Speaker 3 (20:55):
We're getting closer and closer to our.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Big gas price catastrophe in California. There's two oil refineries
closing soon. Gavin Newsom is suddenly doing a eighty on
some of his anti oil company, anti oil and gas
consumption policies because with the refineries closing, do entirely to
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new Some's ridiculous policies. We are not going to be
producing enough oil to meet our needs. In fact, the
main oil pipeline we have in the state might get
shut down because there's not enough oil in it to
keep the pressure going. It's a serious, it's a severe situation,
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and we've been telling you about it for months. We're
going to have two experts on after the two o'clock news,
Michael mcche from USC who's been talking about this with
us for weeks. Tale and James Rector, a professor at
UC Berkeley whose research focuses on oil and gas reservoir geophysics.
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So we we're in deep trouble here. And Newsom was
trying to find some outside energy company to take over
one of the oil refineries that's closing in Benetia up
in northern California. But he hasn't been able to And
it's because of the excessive taxes, the excessive regulation. The
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oil companies are slowly giving up. We're gonna be down
to what I think six refineries in the state. We
used to have forty. So he's done quite a number
on the on the oil infrastructure. I mean, just absolute destruction.
Now let me continue here. We've been playing you reports
by Ashley Zavalla, who tried to corner Gavin Newsom at
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a press conference this week because the Newsom has been
bloviating on Trump's ballroom, which is financed by private funds. However,
Newsom has another boondoggle called the Capital Annex project. It's
one point two billion dollars. It's an add on to
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the state capitol. It was supposed to cost five hundred
plus million. Now it's one point two billion. It was
originally announced in twenty eighteen. The last time they gave
us an update was twenty twenty one. It's now twenty
twenty five. And listen to this. Newsom and the legislature
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had two thousand people signed nondisclosure agreements so that no
details would be leaked to the public.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
This is our tax money.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They're spending our tax money, and no one's allowed to
speak about it. You heard nationally Zavalla's report from Channel
three and Sacramento that there's this three person committee that's
overseeing the product that's supposed to report beck to news
Newsom was pretending this week that he didn't know much
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about it. Another lie. It's his guy on the committee,
so he does know about it. And I don't think
it should be illegal to have state employees signing non
disclosure agreements so the public and the media can't learn
about a massive boondoggle which they're trying to cover up.
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They're years late. There are half a billion dollars, more
than a half a billion dollars over budget, and everybody
has signed a deal that they can't legally speak. This
is wrong, and Newsom is lying that he doesn't know
anything about it. Let me read you from a story
Ashley Zavalla did for KCRTV last year. This was from April, well,
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actually was earlier this year, April twenty twenty five. She
had written, within the next few years, this build things
go to house the states one hundred and twenty lawmakers,
the governor, the Lieutenant governor, and staff. So this is
the office building that Newsom is going to be working
out of his office for as long as he's governor.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's going to be committee hearing rooms, a parking.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Garage, a visitor center, beefed up security, private hallways for
lawmakers so they can avoid the public and the media.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Now, this is the killer.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
According to Zavala's report, the price tag is similar to
an NFL stadium like Levi Stadium in Santa Clara where
the forty nine Ers play. It's a sixty eight thousand
seat stadium was built for one point three billion dollars
ten years ago, and now you have this office building
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going for almost the same amount of money.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Here's another comparison.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The NBA stated him in Sacramento, where the Kings played,
The Golden One Center holds nineteen thousand and cost five
hundred and fifty eight million. There's been six months of
litigation against the Capitol Annex project.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That litigation is over, but the.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Legislature still won't explain what this, why this project is
so delayed, and why it's so far over budget.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Nobody's allowed to speak.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Two thousand non disclosure agreements, which knew some new about
you see his song and dad. He has so many
different ways of lying and deceiving. He did this song
and dance act Ashley Zavalla where I didn't know anything
about it. He didn't want to talk about it because
at first he looked at Bonta and Bunta looked back
at him and they both kind of sighed and grimaced.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And they know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Most public, the public and most lawmakers have been kept
in the dark about the project. So even a lot
of legislators don't know what this is about. So this
is a huge, wasteful boondoggle and they are not reporting
back to the taxpayers. Newsome is actively covering this up.
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Another scandal, another huge waste of money, a billion two
in county and nobody knew about it and nobody covered
it except one reporter, Ashley Zavalla at Channel three and Sacramento.
But she'll keep on top of it and we'll relay
anything that she finds, because you know what this story is.
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Two thousand people, what's the secret. It's a building. It's
an office building. Two thousand people have to sign non
disclosure agreements.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Boy, that stinks.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
More Coming up, you're listening to John Cobels on demand
from Key.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Coming up after two o'clock, we're gonna have USC professor
Michael Msche. We're gonna have Berkeley professor James Rector, and
they're gonna tell us about the upcoming oil and gas
price catastrophe. Ya yai, because we've got two refineries closing
and our major North South oil pipeline may be shut
(28:23):
down because of a lack of oil, and this is
could bring us eight dollars a gallon. We've been telling
you about this for a while. We'll talk with two
professors on how this is going to happen. And that's
right after two o'clock. All right, I have animal news.
You're always you have to be careful here. You're always
cheering on these animal rights activists who break in to
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private property and release animals. Yeah, you know, like you know,
chickens and I forgot els. We've done a number of
these stories. But you know, animals that are held captive
for one reason or another and then they break in
out One animal rights activist, she's also a UC Berkeley student,
convicted Wednesday after releasing four chickens from a Sonoma County
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poultry facility.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Okay, she's wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
She called it a rescue mission. Yeah, but the owner
of the.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Farm said it was theft, and she faced She's found
guilty felony charge of conspiracy. What were the conditions, Two
misdemeanor counts of trespass, one count of tampering with the vehicle.
Twenty three years old Zoey Rosenberg. She faces a possible
sentence of up to five years.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Oh, come on, five years for stealing four chickens.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
Okay, I'm sure they were in deplorable conditions.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Are you defending this crime?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Here?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
These felonies.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
I take the fifth.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Your chicken. That's a good one. Uh. And she's still
urging animal rights orders to carry on.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
You know, John, so many of these animals, really, they.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Taste good when you cook them.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
I forget it, I forgot who I was talking to. No,
go ahead, Sorry, In terrible conditions. They're in cages, they're
they're all smooshed together, and they're not treated well. Well,
of course, hey, you love animals, and I'm not talking
about eating them to.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
A limited animals to a limited extent.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Do you want them treated poorly?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
No, but I'm not gonna eat I'm not gonna eat
my cat chickens.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Okay, but chickens they have brains, they have feelings, they
have heart.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Brains are pretty tiny, they still feel You ever talk
to a chicken?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I had chicken wings for lunch.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
Have you ever spoken to a chicken?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It says, uh, well once, but yeah, it was a
Friday night. Industry officials say that Rosenbird harassed workers and
poultry companies trying to get attention for their cause, and
she planned for weeks. It was to Purdue Farms Petaluma
poultry plant, and she removed four chickens. Wow, this was
(31:15):
pretty complicated. She used disguises, fake employee uniforms, tracking devices,
rented vehicles, and an Airbnb safe house.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
They brought the chickens to a safehouse.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It went before a jury, and a jury said guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I mean, I see that. I I do believe it
or not. I see the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
But here, well, it's private property. I know that the business.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
They're in the business of raising chickens just to kill
them so I could eat them.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's that's the whole point.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Have a bigger problem here.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
These chickens wouldn't born except because unless because they were
created for food.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah, well maybe we need to stop that. There are
so many other food products that you can eat, you
don't I mean, come on, look, I know and your people,
I know they don't agree with me.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I see your lunch every day.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
Okay, right, and it's it's not dead animals.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Prosecutor said Rosenberg. I was involved with direct Action Everywhere.
That was the group. According to its website, direct Action
Everywhere rejects the speciism. Do you ever hear this term
no speciism? In other words, we consider our species to
be superior to the chicken species, and our specism enables
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the mask torture and killing of non human animals.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Yeah, okay, I buy that.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well we are, we are superior, I know.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
But again, why do we need to murder defenseless animals?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
If you know, if they had anything going for them,
they'd be killing us, probably eating us. So now she
I hope she gets the I doubt you think she's
going to really get five years.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
I hope not. You hope she does. She's just trying
to Oh yeah, some defenseless chicken.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, well somebody's got to pay for this and stop
all this.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
Okay, then somebody can pay for that.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, she should get five per chicken.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It looks like she's only getting one per chicken, maybe
fifteen months of chicken.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
This is giving me a headache.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
All right, we come back.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
We're going to talk to James Rector, Michael Mache, two
professors from Berkeley and USC.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Here. It comes soon.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Eight dollars gas because they're clothes, and oil refineries, gas
refineries because they Newsome's ridiculous taxes and regulations. I hope
you enjoy life next year. Devra Mark is live in
the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey, you've been listening
to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear
the show live on KFI Am six forty from one
to four pm every Monday through Friday, and of course
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anytime on demand on the iHeart Radio app
Can't.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am six forty you're listening to the John Cobel
Podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
We got a lot to do today.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We've got the Moistline coming up twice in the three
o'clock hour, and we will be on the air as
usual from one to four and then after four o'clock
John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. That's
the podcast same as the radio show. With the government
shut down, you've probably heard that they don't have any
money to pay the air traffic controllers, and some of
(00:30):
the traffic controllers are not showing up for work sometimes
because they're working at another job that actually pays. TSA
agents are getting paid either just what you want. Also,
people who get STAP benefits as of tomorrow are we're
not going to get anymore and SNAP benefits or food stamps.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
And last year.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Forty almost forty two million people got these benefits foodstamps,
forty two million, that's like twelve percent of the country
and spending totals about one hundred billion. One hundred billion
dollars of the budget goes for food stamps.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And today there was a.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Decision by a judge because the Trump administration says, well,
we're cutting off benefits tomorrow because we don't have the money,
and we can't use the emergency fund because that's meant
for things like hurricanes.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, a judge disagreed.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Today, let's talk to Royal Oaks, ABC News legal analysts
about the decision.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Royal Yeah, John. A couple of lawsuits federal court in
Massachusetts and Rhode Island about a couple of dozen of
states who are run by Democrats, their attorneys general going
to court Massachusetts and then down on Rhode Island. You
got a union and some nonprofits and they make the
same argument. Look, judge, this is a crisis. It's an emergency.
(02:00):
You know, some stuff is mandatory, and we're going to
maintain our nuclear bombs. You know, we don't cut that off.
We pay for that. Similarly, you know, you've got seniors
and the veterans and kids need the food. And both
judges said, you're right. It was a double barreled loss
for Donald Trump, and he could run to the appeals
court and maybe get it reversed. But as of now,
based on what happened in the last hour or so,
(02:20):
both of the suits have been successful and therefore the
money will keep flowing.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And this emergency fund has a five billion dollars in it,
and which if they're spending probably eight billion a month,
nine billion a month, this emergency fund isn't going to
cover the staff benefits very long. Maybe two three.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Weeks, that's true.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
True, Yeah, it's not going to last that long. And
it's such a weird inside baseball thing. The rule is
that if Congress has to approve money every single year
for something, then that's discretionary. And you know, if there
is no government, then the money doesn't go. But you'll
notice that, like for Social Security and medicare those keep
going even though the government's shut down because Congress didn't say, oh, yeah,
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every year, we're going to say yes to Social Security.
That's perpetual. What they do every year is they pay employees.
And the Trump administration's position was, we know there are
billions lying around for this, but employees, human beings, have
to push the buttons and process the envelopes and get
it out the door, and we can't pay them, and
it's illegal to pay them during the shutdowns. You know,
there are two sides to the coin. But the judges felt,
(03:31):
you know, lives are in the balance can't get the
food out the door.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Regardless of the shutdown, the tax revenue keeps coming in.
I mean, the money does exist. It's just that we
don't have employees who are who can process because we
have it officially funded those employees to process.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Exactly right. But you know, the whole shutdown thing, as
you know, John, I mean, I think it started back
when Clinton and nut Gingrich were facing off, and ever
since then, it is no matter what's right, it's a
matter of which political party is saying, oh, we think
we're going to win at the polls because the other
guys are going to be seen as the bad guys.
You know, which is a croc. I mean, if you
(04:10):
have a family where the husband and wife don't really
get along, and the white says I want spaghetti this
week and the dad says I want steak and they
can't agree. Well, the kids don't starve, you know, they
buy food and you know they process it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
They just shut it down.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They don't stop going to the grocery store. They don't
stop cooking.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Dinner, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, this this government shutdown is particularly stupid because the
money does exist. The revenues are coming in, and much
of the spending is is fake spending anyway. It's either
borrowed money or printed money. So for everyone to stand
around saying, hey, I don't know, we're broke, there's no
money here, we can't stand out the food stamps, it's
kind of nonsense.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, And it's just so arbitrary because, as I mentioned,
I mean Medicare and social Security that keeps going even
though there's a shutdown. You know, notice nobody loses their
checks for that, And that's because Congress doesn't have to say, okay,
every single year, yes we approve of Medicare, Yes we
approve of social Security, because that's perpetual that keeps going.
But again, the human beings that have to push the
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buttons at least as to step according to the Trump administration,
you know, our hands are tied. We just can't do it.
But it's just so artificial. It's so arbitrary because you
got this line. Is it mandatory or discretion?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear Trump administration wanted to
put on extreme pressure on the Democrats to settle this
by creating forty million hungry people.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, that's right, and you know what everybody's reporting on
the fact that Donald Trump, you know, he's globetrotting. He's
going to meet machieb over China. He's not exactly acting
like there's a crisis at home. It's almost like it
doesn't exist in his mind. So yeah, I'm guessing that
he and his advisors have sat around in the OPAL
office and said, Okay, how do we think is this
going to be like the gingrich Clinton thing where everybody
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is going to blame the GOP. Now, we don't really
think so. We think that we're going to win the
pr battle. But you know, it's just so silly that
this decision should be made based on some sort of
a political you know, game about you know, who's gonna
who's gonna it's gonna be playing chicken. You know, who's
going to jump off of the train track. First meantime,
you know, people are hurting, people aren't aren't getting food.
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But again, you know, we're paying the soldiers are still
on the front lines. The nuclear bombs, you know, we're
still polishing them, and you know, and you know, tightening
the lug nuts on the thermonuclear weapons because that's essential,
that's mandatory as opposed to discretionary stuff, which Trump said,
you know this snap food program.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So how are air traffic controllers and TSA inspectors not mandatory?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean that to you is only nuts.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's crazy, you know, I mean clearly. I mean you
remember back in the Reagan era when like his first
few months in office he really kind of made his
name for being a tough guy. He fired every single
air traffic controller because they were out on strike, and
everybody said, oh my gosh, what does the planes fall
out of the sky. Well, yeah, he would have had
a black eye, but they didn't, and instead Reagan was
(07:07):
seen as a strong, tough guy. So you know, how
lucky do you feel? You know, are you know? Are
is there going to be some disastrous some catastrophe? But
when it comes to food, you know that that's not
like a plane crash, that's just sort of the dribs
and drabs. Is somebody going to be hungry for the
weekend or not? So maybe the Trump administration feels like
it isn't that bigger crisis.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
There are so many traffic controllers calling in sick now,
partly to go work at a second job that has
a real paycheck, that but you're playing a roulette game.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Oh absolutely, I mean that's public health, public safety right there.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
All right, very good, thank you, Royal Oaks.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Do you bet?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
All right, Royal Oaks, ABC News.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
The legal analyst side question here is how did we
create such a dependent society that forty two million people
live off food stamps? I mean, does why do they
all need food stamps? I wonder how much fraud is
in this program and how many people ought to be working?
(08:07):
Forty two million people is roughly one out of every
one out of every eight people. Yeah, yeah, one out
of every eight people is on food stamps. That seems absurd.
And that's the culture. I mean, I've spent no time
on food stamps. I don't know anything about it. You
(08:32):
know what the what the cutoff line is for income?
But geez, doesn't anybody have the pride to go to work?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And I, you know, I don't understand either. Like I hear.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I heard today that the superintendent the schools in Los Angeles, Carvallo,
He's telling people, Hey, come for dinner, bring your kids,
you know, for dinner, or we're gonna give you dinner
and you can take it home. And I'm thinking, Wow,
how if you're a parent, you have kids, isn't feeding
(09:02):
your kids food at the top of the list for
whatever money you have, whether you're working or I just
don't understand it because we've been given out free lunches
and free dinners, and during COVID we were giving out
free meals, w free breakfast everything. It's like these schools
are like twenty four hour diners. Practically, It's like, why
(09:23):
why can't parents feed their kids?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What do they do with their money?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I don't understand. If you're not making enough money to
give your kids lunch, then you've got to make more money.
You've got to make better decisions in life. But it's
the culture, it's the culture of dependency.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I'm very suspicious. Forty million people on food stamps. That
sounds that sounds really absurd. All right, more coming up
when we come back. Among the things we're going to
cover today is, you know, we got to play that
Ashley Zavalla story that we did not yesterday because the
big skill handel up in Sacramento that the Newsom is
(10:02):
hiding from is this billion dollar plus capital annex boondoggle.
It's it's it's it's a massive construction project at the
state Capitol. It's been going on for years, it's way
over budget, way delayed, and everyone refuses to talk about
it or release any details. Well, we'll discuss that next.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
We had played your report, actually played you a clip
of Ashley Zavalla asking Gavin Newsom and Rob Bonta if
it's appropriate for legislators to be hiding all the information
about the cost of the Capital Annex project in Sacramento.
(10:52):
And you're probably saying, I don't know anything about this. Well,
we played this clip earlier in the week. Ashley Zavala
is a reporter for Channel three KCRA and Sacramento, and
I swear to you she is the only reporter covering
Sacramento and all the terrible things going on there, the
only one, and she's doing award winning work, a one
(11:16):
woman steamroller. And in Newsom actually inadvertently brought attention to
this boondoggle. It's costing over a billion dollars, it has
been going on for seven years. It's already more than
double the original estimate. This sounds like another version of
(11:38):
high speed rail. But Newsom piled on the Trump ballroom
story even though that's private money, this is our public money.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And Ashley Zaballa was the.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Only one to say, well, what about the cost of
this Capital Annex project? And freezes Newsom, who deferred to
Rob bod to the Attorney General. And then if you
listen to this clip, Newsom drops his voice very low
and hushed in a very condescending way, acts as if
he's trying to calm Zavala down play. This cut at
(12:15):
the beginning a little hard to hear, but this is
Avala asking the question.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
I want to first acknowledge that neither one of you
were leading the Capital Annex project, but mister Attorney Generals,
you voted to approve it.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
In twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Mister Governor, the part of.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
General Services that you oversee is part of it.
Speaker 8 (12:32):
It has been three years since the legislature updated the
public on the cost of that project. It is happening
right now, and it could be one of your limits
could probably oversee it. You've see the construction is happening,
but yet the Legislature's Joint Rules Committee refuses to provide
an update. We've reported that they have violated the legislative
of the Records Act.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
They are continuing to withhold public records.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
I have asked for an interview for more than.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
A year now, and no one will provide an up.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
I mean, is that is that appropriate?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
On a on a one of the most expensive buildings
in the United States.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
Of this stay.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
You're my attorney, by the way, I don't think that's appropriate.
This should providing the information period full stop.
Speaker 11 (13:15):
But for you to conflate or compare and contrast is
with all due respect, I think that I would separate.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Stop stop just a second. You noticed there was this
long pause and bot that Knewsom. We're looking at each other.
De youre in the headlights moment because nobody ever asks
any of this stuff. But it is seven years, it
is double the uh the cost and absolute secrecy. Nobody
can get any information out. The only one trying is
Ashley is Avalla. So she asks, and they freeze and
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they stare at each other, and then he goes, well,
you're my attorney, and then listen to the pivot. I'll
have you if you could back that up a little
bit again. Listen to him suddenly pivot. It's like to
make it sound like she's done something wrong that you
can't conflate and compare and contrast to the Trump situation.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Appropriate. They should provide you the information period, full stop.
Speaker 11 (14:04):
But for you to conflate or compare a contrast is
with all due respect, I think that I would separate
the ballroom and what Donald Trump just did and desecration.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
And the process and that he had evolved in.
Speaker 10 (14:15):
The fact that they should seven million dollars under curious
circumstances from the annex, and what the legislature is trying
to do. And I'm not trying to defend those actions,
but absolutely they should provide me.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You might just balance.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
I mean, there's construction happening in that capital, for your capital,
and so that's why I'm asking, Yeah, is that appropriate?
Speaker 10 (14:35):
Though?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I mean truly for the public to not.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Know how they should know?
Speaker 10 (14:38):
That's what I said, they should, you should that information whisper.
I agree it's inappropriate. Think, by the way, I didn't
know they were not talking to you. I apologize that
members of the legislature are not talking to you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
They're on recess. I'll check in with them, let me know.
Speaker 10 (14:50):
I'm happy to happy to help you try to get
access to members of the California Legislature with respect not
my branch of government. But I'm happy because it's a
taxpayer I'd like to know as well. I appreciate the
question you asked, and I think it would be appropriate
to provide that information, and you should have access to
it the publics of Public's building.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
You absolutely deserve that. So, yes, it's inappropriate.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
Yes you deserve that information, and yes we're happy to
help you.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He talks to her like she's somebody out of control
toddler and starts almost whispering, accuses her of conflating with
the Trump situation. No, but you see how he wastes
time and gets people to forget what the original question was.
This is his this is his m this is what
he does for a living, to deflect, to confuse the situation,
(15:42):
and then to treat you with condescension. Now, now, hysterical woman,
don't you know your place? I'm now going to play
you the story that she's done this week on Gavin
Newsom's role in the Capital Annex project. Because he's been
claiming he's got nothing to do with it. There's been
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a number of nondisclosure agreements signed by people close to
Newsome regarding the project. So there's a massive cover up
going on here, and we're talking a project that is
costing over a billion dollars. Let's play cut number two.
Speaker 10 (16:16):
If I've talked with the legislative leaders, I'm going to
add a topic the next conversation around the annex.
Speaker 12 (16:22):
Governor Gavin Newsom this week promising to push for transparency
after I pressed him about the Capital Annex project. It
has been years since state lawmakers have provided an estimated
cost of the new office building that's now under construction
in downtown Sacramento. They have not been forthcoming about how
they're spending taxpayer dollars. Is that appropriate, though?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I mean truly for the public to not know how
much should know.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
That's what I said, they should. You should at that information.
I agree it's inappropriate. Thank by the way, I didn't
know they were not talking to you. I apologize that
members of the legislature are not talking to you.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
They're on recess. I'll check in with them. Let me know.
I'm happy to happy to help.
Speaker 10 (16:58):
You try to get access to members of the California
Legislature with respect, not my branch and government but I'm
happy because as a taxpayer, I'd like to know as well.
Speaker 12 (17:09):
California's legislature is leading the project, but Governor Newsom's office
has been more involved in it than he led on.
Documents from twenty eighteen show when the project was established,
they also created a three member executive committee that's expected
to meet regularly and to make final decisions on the
project on it Assembly Member Blanca Paateco, State Senator John Laird,
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and the Director of Operations for Governor Gavin Newsom, Miroslava.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
De la Oh.
Speaker 12 (17:35):
Documents provided through a legislative Open Records Act request to
show dela Oh recently signed a non disclosure agreement like
Paceco and Laird. As we reported last year, more than
two thousand people have signed the confidentiality agreement to legally
keep broad information about the project a secret.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Well, I, as a taxpayer, would also.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Like to know.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
Lurie Stetson was a member of the Public Accountability for
Our Capital Political Action Committee. She noted what della O
talks about with lawmakers is confidential.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Those three people made key decisions on the Capitol. More importantly,
they made those decisions privately and did not have to
disclose those.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
To the public.
Speaker 12 (18:15):
Does the governor truly not know the estimated cost of
the capital annex or how taxpayer dollars are being spent.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
It's not clear.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't know if the governor would or not his
staff might, Whether the staff informed him of that, we
don't know. We've tried to get in touch with the
governor over the last five years also and never.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Heard back from five years.
Speaker 12 (18:37):
I also reached out to the governor's office for comment
on all of this. In a statement, his spokesperson, Tara
Diego said, in part, we are not privy to detailed
financial information beyond what is addressed by the committee. The
NBA does not prevent the governor's staff from briefing him
on actions taken by the committee and limited information received
(18:58):
in this function end quote. We should note we don't
know when that committee last met, and also I mean
the fact that we just aren't able to know anything
about this committee because everything they do is confidential. We're
in this moment where the use of taxpayer dollars in
knowing about it is important because the state has been
facing significant budget shortfalls. They have been strapped on cash,
so that's why we're asking.
Speaker 13 (19:18):
So what happened when you did ask when they last met?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
What was the answer to them?
Speaker 13 (19:23):
Right?
Speaker 12 (19:24):
The Joint Rules Committee, which I have been talking to today,
they didn't give me a response to that, but they
did say earlier today in a statement, Spokesharson said the
Executive Committee was designed to ensure collaboration and transparency. Despite
our claims of secrecy, we've shown all the evidence that
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there are documents in public information that has been withheld
there not forthcoming. All of the information we're getting about
this project is through leaks.
Speaker 13 (19:53):
If it wasn't an issue of secrecy, we would know
how much is being spent and on what They're very
simple questions.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I mean, it's it's not tricky exactly. Yeah, yes, d questions.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
We are Channel three up in Sacramento, kcr ATV. That's
a good news station.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Huh. You don't say anything like this on the LA
news stations. Do you have you.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Ever seen a conversation like that. We've got more on
this because this is a at least a one point
two billion dollar scandal. Because Ashley Zavala had a story
from last year. I'll read parts of it to you
when we return. What is this being used for because
the headline in last year's story this capital annex project
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is costing as much as a new NFL stadium.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Tell you more when we come back.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI Am
six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
'or on every day from one to till four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
After four o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand on the
iHeart app.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We're getting closer and closer to our.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Big gas price catastrophe in California. There's two oil refineries
closing soon. Gavin Newsom is suddenly doing a eighty on
some of his anti oil company, anti oil and gas
consumption policies because with the refineries closing, do entirely to
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new Some's ridiculous policies. We are not going to be
producing enough oil to meet our needs. In fact, the
main oil pipeline we have in the state might get
shut down because there's not enough oil in it to
keep the pressure going. It's a serious, it's a severe situation,
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and we've been telling you about it for months. We're
going to have two experts on after the two o'clock news,
Michael mcche from USC who's been talking about this with
us for weeks. Tale and James Rector, a professor at
UC Berkeley whose research focuses on oil and gas reservoir geophysics.
(22:02):
So we we're in deep trouble here. And Newsom was
trying to find some outside energy company to take over
one of the oil refineries that's closing in Benetia up
in northern California. But he hasn't been able to And
it's because of the excessive taxes, the excessive regulation. The
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oil companies are slowly giving up. We're gonna be down
to what I think six refineries in the state. We
used to have forty. So he's done quite a number
on the on the oil infrastructure. I mean, just absolute destruction.
Now let me continue here. We've been playing you reports
by Ashley Zavalla, who tried to corner Gavin Newsom at
(22:48):
a press conference this week because the Newsom has been
bloviating on Trump's ballroom, which is financed by private funds. However,
Newsom has another boondoggle called the Capital Annex project. It's
one point two billion dollars. It's an add on to
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the state capitol. It was supposed to cost five hundred
plus million. Now it's one point two billion. It was
originally announced in twenty eighteen. The last time they gave
us an update was twenty twenty one. It's now twenty
twenty five. And listen to this. Newsom and the legislature
(23:33):
had two thousand people signed nondisclosure agreements so that no
details would be leaked to the public.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
This is our tax money.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They're spending our tax money, and no one's allowed to
speak about it. You heard nationally Zavalla's report from Channel
three and Sacramento that there's this three person committee that's
overseeing the product that's supposed to report beck to news
Newsom was pretending this week that he didn't know much
(24:06):
about it. Another lie. It's his guy on the committee,
so he does know about it. And I don't think
it should be illegal to have state employees signing non
disclosure agreements so the public and the media can't learn
about a massive boondoggle which they're trying to cover up.
(24:30):
They're years late. There are half a billion dollars, more
than a half a billion dollars over budget, and everybody
has signed a deal that they can't legally speak. This
is wrong, and Newsom is lying that he doesn't know
anything about it. Let me read you from a story
Ashley Zavalla did for KCRTV last year. This was from April, well,
(24:54):
actually was earlier this year, April twenty twenty five. She
had written, within the next few years, this build things
go to house the states one hundred and twenty lawmakers,
the governor, the Lieutenant governor, and staff. So this is
the office building that Newsom is going to be working
out of his office for as long as he's governor.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's going to be committee hearing rooms, a parking.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Garage, a visitor center, beefed up security, private hallways for
lawmakers so they can avoid the public and the media.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Now, this is the killer.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
According to Zavala's report, the price tag is similar to
an NFL stadium like Levi Stadium in Santa Clara where
the forty nine Ers play. It's a sixty eight thousand
seat stadium was built for one point three billion dollars
ten years ago, and now you have this office building
(25:54):
going for almost the same amount of money.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Here's another comparison.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The NBA stated him in Sacramento, where the Kings played,
The Golden One Center holds nineteen thousand and cost five
hundred and fifty eight million. There's been six months of
litigation against the Capitol Annex project.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That litigation is over, but the.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Legislature still won't explain what this, why this project is
so delayed, and why it's so far over budget.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Nobody's allowed to speak.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Two thousand non disclosure agreements, which knew some new about
you see his song and dad. He has so many
different ways of lying and deceiving. He did this song
and dance act Ashley Zavalla where I didn't know anything
about it. He didn't want to talk about it because
at first he looked at Bonta and Bunta looked back
at him and they both kind of sighed and grimaced.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And they know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Most public, the public and most lawmakers have been kept
in the dark about the project. So even a lot
of legislators don't know what this is about. So this
is a huge, wasteful boondoggle and they are not reporting
back to the taxpayers. Newsome is actively covering this up.
(27:23):
Another scandal, another huge waste of money, a billion two
in county and nobody knew about it and nobody covered
it except one reporter, Ashley Zavalla at Channel three and Sacramento.
But she'll keep on top of it and we'll relay
anything that she finds, because you know what this story is.
(27:44):
Two thousand people, what's the secret. It's a building. It's
an office building. Two thousand people have to sign non
disclosure agreements.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Boy, that stinks.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
More Coming up, you're listening to John Cobels on demand
from Key.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Coming up after two o'clock, we're gonna have USC professor
Michael Msche. We're gonna have Berkeley professor James Rector, and
they're gonna tell us about the upcoming oil and gas
price catastrophe. Ya yai, because we've got two refineries closing
and our major North South oil pipeline may be shut
(28:23):
down because of a lack of oil, and this is
could bring us eight dollars a gallon. We've been telling
you about this for a while. We'll talk with two
professors on how this is going to happen. And that's
right after two o'clock. All right, I have animal news.
You're always you have to be careful here. You're always
cheering on these animal rights activists who break in to
(28:46):
private property and release animals. Yeah, you know, like you know,
chickens and I forgot els. We've done a number of
these stories. But you know, animals that are held captive
for one reason or another and then they break in
out One animal rights activist, she's also a UC Berkeley student,
convicted Wednesday after releasing four chickens from a Sonoma County
(29:11):
poultry facility.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Okay, she's wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
She called it a rescue mission. Yeah, but the owner
of the.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Farm said it was theft, and she faced She's found
guilty felony charge of conspiracy. What were the conditions, Two
misdemeanor counts of trespass, one count of tampering with the vehicle.
Twenty three years old Zoey Rosenberg. She faces a possible
sentence of up to five years.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Oh, come on, five years for stealing four chickens.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
Okay, I'm sure they were in deplorable conditions.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Are you defending this crime?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Here?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
These felonies.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
I take the fifth.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Your chicken. That's a good one. Uh. And she's still
urging animal rights orders to carry on.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
You know, John, so many of these animals, really, they.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Taste good when you cook them.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
I forget it, I forgot who I was talking to. No,
go ahead, Sorry, In terrible conditions. They're in cages, they're
they're all smooshed together, and they're not treated well. Well,
of course, hey, you love animals, and I'm not talking
about eating them to.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
A limited animals to a limited extent.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Do you want them treated poorly?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
No, but I'm not gonna eat I'm not gonna eat
my cat chickens.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Okay, but chickens they have brains, they have feelings, they
have heart.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Brains are pretty tiny, they still feel You ever talk
to a chicken?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I had chicken wings for lunch.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
Have you ever spoken to a chicken?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It says, uh, well once, but yeah, it was a
Friday night. Industry officials say that Rosenbird harassed workers and
poultry companies trying to get attention for their cause, and
she planned for weeks. It was to Purdue Farms Petaluma
poultry plant, and she removed four chickens. Wow, this was
(31:15):
pretty complicated. She used disguises, fake employee uniforms, tracking devices,
rented vehicles, and an Airbnb safe house.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
They brought the chickens to a safehouse.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It went before a jury, and a jury said guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I mean, I see that. I I do believe it
or not. I see the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
But here, well, it's private property. I know that the business.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
They're in the business of raising chickens just to kill
them so I could eat them.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's that's the whole point.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Have a bigger problem here.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
These chickens wouldn't born except because unless because they were
created for food.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah, well maybe we need to stop that. There are
so many other food products that you can eat, you
don't I mean, come on, look, I know and your people,
I know they don't agree with me.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I see your lunch every day.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
Okay, right, and it's it's not dead animals.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Prosecutor said Rosenberg. I was involved with direct Action Everywhere.
That was the group. According to its website, direct Action
Everywhere rejects the speciism. Do you ever hear this term
no speciism? In other words, we consider our species to
be superior to the chicken species, and our specism enables
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the mask torture and killing of non human animals.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Yeah, okay, I buy that.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well we are, we are superior, I know.
Speaker 9 (32:52):
But again, why do we need to murder defenseless animals?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
If you know, if they had anything going for them,
they'd be killing us, probably eating us. So now she
I hope she gets the I doubt you think she's
going to really get five years.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
I hope not. You hope she does. She's just trying
to Oh yeah, some defenseless chicken.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, well somebody's got to pay for this and stop
all this.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
Okay, then somebody can pay for that.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, she should get five per chicken.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It looks like she's only getting one per chicken, maybe
fifteen months of chicken.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
This is giving me a headache.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
All right, we come back.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
We're going to talk to James Rector, Michael Mache, two
professors from Berkeley and USC.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Here. It comes soon.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Eight dollars gas because they're clothes, and oil refineries, gas
refineries because they Newsome's ridiculous taxes and regulations. I hope
you enjoy life next year. Devra Mark is live in
the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey, you've been listening
to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear
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