July 15, 2024 • 31 mins
Kyle Gass, Jack Black's Tenacious D bandmate, says 'don't miss Trump next time' after assassination attempt // Jack Black delivered a viral speech at President Biden’s star-studded fundraiser last week // GUEST: Robin Bertolucci, our fearless leader, joins Neil in discussing rhetoric // Minutes after Trump shooting, misinformation started flying // AI Ronald Reagan on Trumps attempted assassination.
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It's KFI AM six forty and you'relistening to The Conway Show on demand on
the iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody,Neil Savadra in for mister Tim Conway Junior
tonight. Happy to be with you. Missed a moment to hang out with
Wayne at the end there, butI'm happy to be with you tonight.
There is a fire hose. Ohcrap to talk about. I happen to
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be on the air live on KFIthis Saturday from two to five doing the
Fork Report when at about three ten, three point fifteen or so our time,
word came down that there had beenan assassination attempt on former President Donald
J. Trump. Now, ofcourse, you know very little when that
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stuff comes down, and as herewe are on Monday, one would hope
that we knew a whole hell ofa lot more, and we don't.
But we're going to get into someof that. We're going to get into
some of the periphery that I thinkis important because we can't change what took
place on Saturday. But we canchange, hopefully, is how we look
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at politics as a whole and howwe look at each other, because I
think we play a part. I'vesaid this before. I will constantly say
this. The country is bigger thanone man or woman. The country is
bigger than the government. And aswe have seen on t shirts and screamed
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from mountaintops, we the people arethe ones that are at lead here.
We are the ones that are movingthings and rhetoric as the power to shift
people's thoughts and minds and aggravate andprovoke and push. So I want to
lead with a story that's just comingdown. I'm bummed because it is involves
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two people that I think are wildlytalented and very funny, and I've been
a big fan of not only they'revery I don't know public Hollywood stuff,
and then the less I don't knowconventional music and things on the side.
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And I'm talking about Tenacious D.Now you may not know Tenacious D by
that name, but the band isfronted by two people you probably do know,
Jack Black, comedian, actor,hilarious guy and musician. And then
his partner Kyle Gass. Now youmay not know him by his name right
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off the bat, but he's beenin movies like Elf and other things,
including a movie about Tenacious D withhis bandmate Jack Black. I think they're
both hilarious. I think they're bothvery smart people. I believe that to
be passionate about their music and funand comedy, and I am not approved.
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I love gallows humor, I lovevery dark humor. I do not
get offended. It's just it's I'mdamn near impossible to offend, because I
just think we all deal with thingsdifferently. However, as Kyle Gas and
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Jack Black, we're performing as tenaciouslyon stage, and this video has now
come out. I'll play some audiofrom it. It apparently is Kyle Gas's
birthday, Jack Black or someone bringsout a cake Black is seeing singing happy
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birthday to Gas on stage, andafter Black told Jack Black told his bandmate
to make a wish, Gas isheard saying Kyle Gas is saying, don't
miss Trump next time. And fromwhat I could hear in the video,
it sounded like the crowd erupted inapplause, and then Jack Black said,
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thank you comedians, actors, Hollywoodtypes. What are you gonna do?
We've learned if nothing in the past, I mean we always knew it.
We kind of just look aside thatHollywood is full of a lot of darkness,
evil, ugliness and some really disgustingpeople, not all of them,
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I know many that are wonderful humanbeings. But this is why this stuck
out to me. And I wantto play this so you can hear the
audio first. This is the audioof the situation on stage. I'm gonna
play this first. You have mycomputer up in there. Brother, Okay,
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here we go. Make a leafcame of. Don't miss Trump next
time. Okay. So that's whattook place there, too soon, I
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think is legitimate, and it doesn't. I know, I'm not stupid.
I know people are thinking it.I know some people probably said it in
their homes and you know, witha wink and a smile. For a
couple of reasons. One, Trumpdidn't die by millimeters. But he didn't
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die. But here's why it botheredme, in particular that Joe Biden,
the president of these United States,whether you voted for him or not,
that is our president. Our president, came out fairly quickly to renounce what
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took place, to state that violenceof any kind, in particular political violence,
has no place. And we allagree with that. That is a
horrible thing. We'll get into moreof that later. So that ugliness and
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he said that we need to temptdown, we need to squelch, we
need to cool off the rhetoric andthe ugliness. When three weeks ago that
same president posted this video of JackBlack at his fundraiser, saying this gave
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it a Joe Biden fundraiser this pastweek, give this. A few days
ago, my manager called me andsaid, George Clooney and Julia Roberts wanted
me to help out the president andspeak here tonight. And I said I
am in when and where and thankyou. And then they said, Jack,
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we know how busy you are.You don't have time. Look at
all the other events that are happeningtonight. Do you already turned down MC
at the Fleegelman bought Mitzvah, theopening of the new Jack in the Box
in Oxnard, Judge at the secondAnnual Imperial Valley Avocado Festival. You don't
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see that on Meryl Street's resume.I said, I know I turned them
down, but my president needs me. Okay, thank you. Tiko's on
and it was, you know,his big speech, and he did a
great job in Jack Black form.He's to me hilarious and I've always loved
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him, and I'm not saying I'mgonna stop loving him or anything like that,
or he should be canceled or anythinglike that, because that's not my
jam, that's not who I am. But the thing I want you to
hear that hit me the hardest washis president that he said he's standing up
for all were president has just comeout and said we need to tap this
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down. If he, as somebodywould stand in front of a Hollywood crowd
and tell them to open their walletsto give thirty million dollars in that one
night, can't shut up for fiveminutes during a concert that had nothing to
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do with politics, how are yougonna How is anybody going to be able
to control anyone? If a directadmonition whatever you want to call it from
our president could not even be adheredto for a day or so from people
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that say they support him, thenall goes out the window. You're listening
to Tim Conway Junior on demand fromKFI AM six forty. Neil Savader in
for Tim Conway Junior tonight. Justa busy weekend. I was on the
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air on Saturday when the gunfire brokeout at the Pennsylvania Donald Trump rally that
we you know, we've seen thoseso many times. They're just you everything
looks pretty much the same every timeyou look at it. But this one
was very different because a twenty yearold whom we will get into who he
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is, what we know so far, took a shot at him, multiple
shots at him, hit him inthe ear, as you know by now,
in the right ear, and theSecret Service went and did what they
do best. Now. I knowthat there's some questions about the periphery on
that, but they surrounded him veryquick and went to take him to his
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vehicle to exit. After that,the President of these United States, Joe
Biden, comes out. He makesa very stern response saying that there is
no place for that kind of ugliness, that kind of violence in the United
States, political or otherwise. Wehave In addition to President Joe Biden,
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I'm coming on and forcefully saying therhetoric needs to be tapped down. We
need to the heat of the words, the vitriol needs to come down.
There are others that came out andsaid the same thing. That's even said.
You know, Trump modified his speechfor the RNC about unity, the
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unity, unity, Unity. Ijust played some audio about how unity is
going so far, But over andover we hear the word rhetoric. The
funny thing about that is the onlyone that I know on the planet that
actually has a degree in rhetoric isour friend, my friend, and also
the fearless leader here at KFI,Robin Bertolucci, the program director, And
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I brought her on for a secondbecause she literally got a degree in rhetoric.
And rhetoric is used in logic,it is used in writing, It
has used in all kinds of things. What is what's the definition? To
the best of your ability. Well, well, first of all, I'm
going to tell you, rhetoric isdefinitely getting a bad rap, right.
Rhetoric is used as a pejorative wordto put down hostile language. But rhetoric
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is a classical discipline that really meansnothing more than persuasive communication. So you're
so without a qualifier, it getsdemonized because no one's saying. You know,
in some places, even Stephalas staffastepha Snephalopagas he said, violent rhetoric,
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And with that qualifier it makes sense. But otherwise, people, the
only time you hear it is usuallyin a negative fashion or in a rhetorical
question. Those are the only timesyou hear it? This is true?
Yeah, this is true. Soit's used, you say, it's a
classical discipline, like logic, likewriting itself. It's understanding the power of
words and using them in a persuasivemanner. So it would be used in
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debate, It could be used forlaw. Is there a specific path that
people go into. I know it'snot pding radio stations, but what is?
What's a That was definitely a twiston the rhetoric degree. You know
when I graduated. It's not likepeople coming out of the woodwork saying,
you know, I need somebody witha rhetoric degree. But I think anything
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where you have a form of communication, really the key to rhetoric is to
not just talk about a piece ofwork, whether it's a speech, whether
it's a poem, whether it's alaw, but to really talk about it
and say who is the intended audienceof this work, and is it effective
or not? And why? Sothe power of words properly used and for
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a qualified audience. Okay, sofor example, if you were speaking to
a class of fifth graders, youwould use different rhetoric than if you were
speaking to a ARP meeting about thesame subject. That makes total sense.
So knowing your audience, applying wordsproperly not only to persuade, but to
inform or educate the best use Okay, because it does always seem like,
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do you know do you keep intouch with anybody that graduated? What did
some of them do? Because Iwould think maybe PR could be something a
public relations rather with relations advertising teaching. I know that was a focus of
yours, and we worked together alot in the marketing department quite pleasurely.
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By the way, I really loveworking with Robin when it comes to coming
up with billboards and television spots andthings that we've done in the past.
Because you always thought you would probablyget into advertising, we talked about that
a lot, absolutely, and speakingto a large audience about a product or
item or what have you. Butreally, I mean, ultimately, rhetoric
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is just simply looking at a workand trying to figure out if it's doing
a good job reaching that audience inthe way that it intends to. And
you could look at a poem andtry and figure out who it was for.
You could look at a speech andfigure out who it was for and
see if it was effective or notdo all things have an audience like a
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poetry is some poetry or music justwritten to be written by the artist or
the individual and cannot be discerned bywhat's read or heard. Well, I
think the thing that I loved aboutrhetoric I got taped really quick. I'm
sorry, heavy man. My headis like, but you know what I'm
saying. Can you read something andgo, oh, that's that's personal and
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it just happens to be public.Well, I think you could read something
and say the intended audience would bethe self. Gotcha? Okay, fair
enough? But you know, Ithink that rhetoric ultimately is a little bit
like law and logic in that it'snot necessarily a right or wrong question.
It's more of an opinion. Andcan you justify it? Can you show
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the math of that information and sayhere's why I believe this. So,
just like anything, it can beused for good or used for bad.
Absolutely, And I think we gotto bring back the word rhetoric in a
good way. SuDS it up.Rhetoric it is. It is strange.
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Now, I always tell people whenit comes to language, of course,
is a theologian and somebody who studiedworks of antiquity, like the Bible,
and like I always say, there'sa difference between prescriptive language and descriptive language.
One is describing something and then onewould be prescribed a prescribing something saying
you should go out and do this, And there's a difference. I can
describe ugly things happening and not prescribethem for anybody to go out and do
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them. And we see that alot and works where it's like, hey,
that song is not telling you goout and do this, or that
work the poetry, or it's somebodydescribing that it's taken place. So that
would be a form of rhetoric,I imagine, yeah, And I think
anything could be a form of rhetoric. Right, a TV commercial you could
look at it from a rhetorical pointof view. You could look at a
painting from a point of view andtry and decipher who it was for and
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what it was trying to accomplish andwhether or not it was effective. And
so rhetorical question is really something itdoesn't need to be answered because the very
asking of the question kind of answersitself. And you're in the person's listening
that makes sense, you know,right, a rhetorical question is a question
that's already been asked and answered right, like does the Pope crap in the
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woods? I feel like I gotthat mixed up answer. No, Thanks
for taking the time. I'm surethere's nothing worse than having one of your
hosts go, hey, can youconsider it with this for a minute.
Thanks. There is one individual ata time, Rob Bertolucci is going to
try and save the word rhetoric fromgoing down the piss hole that everything else
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is going down these days. Thanks, appreciate you love you mean it all
right? Stick around. More tocome, including that word rhetoric with the
precursor of violence in front of it. Also the misinformation host that came within
hours of the assassination attempt. We'lltalk about that and how the assassination attempt
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is the most vulgar and upsetting partof this. The second part may not
be a close second is the misinformation, and we'll iron some of that out.
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior ondemand from KFI AM six forty.
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Hey, everybody, Neil Savager infor Tim Conway Junior. I believe it's
supposed to be uh. Our buddyMark Thompson tonight, but something came up,
and I believe help me back tomorrow, I think if Timmy's still out,
but I'm happy to be in today. I'll be back on the Morning
show tomorrow with Bill Handel at allso join us there, won't you?
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All? Right? The assassination attempton former President Trump this past Saturday,
I don't care where you stand.A sad day for America just is for
those on either side of the islewho claim they fear the death of democracy,
which is one of those things youkeep hearing. It's bad for democracy,
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It's going to be the end ofdemocracy, the death of democracy.
Nothing could be less democratic than tryingto take the life of a candidate or
take somebody out of the race likethat. Yet, to me watching all
of this unfold during being the onewho was on the air here at KFI
Live at the time and watching everythingfrom the days that have gone on,
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to me, there's this this secondary, sinister and incredibly disruptive element, and
this is the chaos that comes withan event like this. Right, people
are looking for answers, and itseems like instead of finding the answers,
there's an influx of just throwing crapat the wall. And you can call
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it misinformation, disinformation, you cancall it playing lies. But to me,
it's only a lie in those firststages if somebody knows that it's not
true and they're pushing it out.Most people are just getting the fragments of
it, the ricochet of it,the shrapnel in a moment of intensity when
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news first hits. Talking with GaryHoffman on Saturday, who came in to
take the shift after me, havinga great conversation and now I know you
see Gary and Shannon as these greattalk show hosts than they are, but
some people forget that they were awardwinning reporters as well. And I will
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tell you it's been he being herefor thirty years, not a whole lot
impresses me day in and day out. But it was really cool to watch,
you know, Gary work. AndI feel the same about Shannon when
I see breaking news and the like. It was just just to see the
way he processes information and he sitsdown And before I asked him to come
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on with me, before he cameon, he said, come on,
sit down and we're talking and hesays, man, I can feel it,
and I'm like what he goes Ican feel that power hose that is
going to come our way of allthe information that you have to sift through.
And I looked at him and Isaid, you know, I got
the easy job. I did thecircle of information, repeating, adding new
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stuff as it came in. Butsure enough, once I got off at
five was when the real disinformation wasgoing to come in. And I kind
of saw Gary Hoffman and his baseballcap and his glove or a bat just
ready. They're going to be flyingat him and he's going to have to
decipher. And he did a fantasticjob doing so, and they did continuing
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today as I listened to their program, kind of sift through this. So
as the news of the shooting spread, you have this flood of rumors,
just wild ass theories online, peoplesaying everything from the Chinese or a Chinese
national was involved, to blaming Antifa. There was even a picture of a
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guy that circulated for a while sayingthis guy Antifa, he was the one
the shooter, or even accusing Trump'sown party. And this is still going
of setting it up, and thenyou'll hear the the other side as well.
Social media lit up with all kindsof claims, some trying to blame
Biden or setting, suggesting that itwas an inside job. Completely nuts across
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the board. Now, I likea good conspiracy theory as entertainment, like
anybody else. You can go aheadand tell me the moon is flat all
you want, but it's entertainment.So videos and photos from the scene were
analyzed, twisted to fit different narratives, different people's beliefs, politically or otherwise.
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Some said, they show the SecretService failing Trump, and we're gonna
look at that. I mean,that's really gonna come down. There will
be an investigation. Now, ofcourse this has to do with the perimeter,
not with those that acted on stage, other than the fact I think
we all noticed. You know,Trump is six what six' three sixty
four. He's a big guy.I've met him in person. I've shaken
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the man's hand. He's a bigguy. And if you can't cover him,
you'd think maybe you'd find somebody whocould. So I know there's stuff
like that. But people claiming,you know, the Secret Service failed Trump,
all these things, other claims,they proved the whole thing was stage.
And think about this, this isnew to us. There were even
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AI generated images circulate circulating. Oneeven showed Trump's smiling after the shooting.
And it's crazy what people come upwith. It out quickly, and we're
going to get some news with Michaelin a minute. But on returning,
I'm going to try and look forit. Croche, did you see this
at all? A video of RonaldReagan talking about the assassination attempt of Trump?
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No, crazy, crazy talking aboutthe attempt on him, the similarities,
and it's crazy. I'm going totry and find it. You could
tell that it's a because he's dead, but when you think about that technology
hovering around, it's just insane.All Right, we'll come back talk more
about miss and disinformation as the storycontinues to unfold, putting pieces together of
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the assassination attempt on Donald J.Trump, not only former president, but
the Republican National Convention going on.He is the nominee and we'll be running
for president again in November. You'relistening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from
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KFI AM six forty. Hey everybody, Neil Savadra here in for Tim Conway
Junior. Happy to be with youtonight as he has the evening off.
See I'm vak Crow yes, yeah, he is. Gosh, are you
okay, buddy? Did you hityourself in the lower region? Yes?
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We what are you talking? Justcruise? You not know what you're doing.
Oh, he doesn't have his headphoneson, so belly keep BELLYO keeps
saying yes for you and cutting yourmic. So I'm like, are yoused?
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I wasn't confused by her answering forme. I don't know. You're
a curious fellow. I don't knowwhat happened this weekend. AnyWho happy to
be here. It's a heavy,heavy news day. Is that this fire
hose of information. Some parts aretrickling, some parts are very forceful because
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there's a lot going on. Wewere talking about the misinformation and all of
that. Some disinformation, I supposeyou can say, because some might be
purposeful and some might not be.When it comes to the assassination attempt from
Saturday's rally with former President on Trump. So this comes at a crazy time
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in our country, comes in acrazy time, not only politically, but
it comes into crazy time technologically.We were talking about some of the things
that you can kind of foresee peoplecoming out saying it was a Chinese national
because there's stuff about that in thenews right China and us here in the
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States, some blaming Antifa. That'skind of on the bingo card every single
time anyways, So people really tryingto analyze the videos, the photos,
twisting them to fit different narratives.The one thing that comes with this being
in this industry for thirty years ormore is that, unfortunately, anytime there's
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big news like this, moments thatthat are are not just confusing, but
they fuel a fire often start atthe tips that the kindling is always the
extremists, the hate groups. That'sthe kindling of every fire. So you
can say the gas is the eventitself, big news, and then the
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kindling is the the fringes. Itstarts first, and then it takes hold
of all of us in one wayor another. It spreads like this massive
wildfire from misidentifying the shooter before authoritieseven had a chance to confirm anything.
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Top it off, some folks weretrying to profit. That was insane to
me. Now, I will tellyou I have a side business where I
do promotional material and things like that. I love doing a design work and
light fabrication all that. I wasimpressed how quickly people got this on T
shirts and mugs and the light sellingthem on you know, the merchandise online.
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Is that America an ingenuity or isit sickening you decide. Politicians weren't
immune to the chaos either. SomeRepublicans blame blame Biden, of course,
citing comments that he made that couldhave been, you know, seen as
inciting violence. Other experts say,you know, jumping to conclusions like that
are are a dangerous path to godown. They argued that heated rhetoric from
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both sides escalated. Now, ofcourse that word rhetoric, it's the heated,
it's the ugly side of it,trying to save rhetoric, even if
most people rejected violence as a solution. So it's it's pretty crazy. But
one of the things that stood outto me that we didn't have before.
This is a massive event that tookplace with the internet. So that in
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itself is pretty crazy. But youknow what else we had give a listen
to this, This to me isin sane. Did you see that guy
who tried to assassinate Donald Trump thisafternoon? He looks like a dog,
a wimpy little loser who probably hatesAmerica. His name is Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Anyways, he's a dead guy.Now we'll remember our dearly departed Thomas
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by his incompetence with a firearm.He was one hundred feet from the Donald
with an AR fifteen, but hecould only hit his ear. You know,
I think Thomas studied at the HelenKeller Institute of Marksmanship. I'll give
him an A for effort, buthe gets an F for execution. In
all seriousness, I know a thingor two about assassination attempts. John Hinckley
tried to take me out in nineteeneighty one. He was a loser too,
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but he did more damage to mewith a twenty two caliber Pea shooter
than this inept dim wit. Iwent to the emergency room, but they
fixed me up when I got out. I won the Cold War and turned
America into the sole superpower on Earth. Anyways, Thomas' parents are probably very
embarrassed by their now dead Moro,Sun, good Night, and God bless
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America. Okay, so you canhear is that not fit into the whole
rhetoric and language? And how doesthat not? Absolutely does? Now I
don't know the creater. It's justa cuter way of doing it absolutely and
I don't know who created it.Maybe we'll find out. Now. When
you attach that here with a keenaudio ear that we listen to all the
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time, you can hear the clipsand the pauses and things being pinched together
and the AI rhythm that comes withartificial you know, building of something like
this. But when you put itwith actual old video from the eighties and
it's matching, then you you seeRonald Reagan saying these things. And I
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was like, okay, that iswith old audio, old video. Imagine
now having not taking digitized analog stuffbut digital stuff and bringing it together.
So we have another monster or anotherhead to the you know, hydron or
what is it, Heedron Hydra That'swhat I'm looking for. That that is
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going to make things even more difficultthroughout the entirety of this. More to
come, including information about what's goingon at the Republican National Convention and Donald
Trump's pick for the vice president.Much more to come, So go know
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It's KFI AM six forty and you'relistening to The Conway Show on demand on
the iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody,Neil Savadra in for mister Tim Conway Junior
tonight. Happy to be with you. Missed a moment to hang out with
Wayne at the end there, butI'm happy to be with you tonight.
There is a fire hose. Ohcrap to talk about. I happen to
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be on the air live on KFIthis Saturday from two to five doing the
Fork Report when at about three ten, three point fifteen or so our time,
word came down that there had beenan assassination attempt on former President Donald
J. Trump. Now, ofcourse, you know very little when that
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stuff comes down, and as herewe are on Monday, one would hope
that we knew a whole hell ofa lot more, and we don't.
But we're going to get into someof that. We're going to get into
some of the periphery that I thinkis important because we can't change what took
place on Saturday. But we canchange, hopefully, is how we look
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at politics as a whole and howwe look at each other, because I
think we play a part. I'vesaid this before. I will constantly say
this. The country is bigger thanone man or woman. The country is
bigger than the government. And aswe have seen on t shirts and screamed
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from mountaintops, we the people arethe ones that are at lead here.
We are the ones that are movingthings and rhetoric as the power to shift
people's thoughts and minds and aggravate andprovoke and push. So I want to
lead with a story that's just comingdown. I'm bummed because it is involves
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two people that I think are wildlytalented and very funny, and I've been
a big fan of not only they'revery I don't know public Hollywood stuff,
and then the less I don't knowconventional music and things on the side.
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And I'm talking about Tenacious D.Now you may not know Tenacious D by
that name, but the band isfronted by two people you probably do know,
Jack Black, comedian, actor,hilarious guy and musician. And then
his partner Kyle Gass. Now youmay not know him by his name right
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off the bat, but he's beenin movies like Elf and other things,
including a movie about Tenacious D withhis bandmate Jack Black. I think they're
both hilarious. I think they're bothvery smart people. I believe that to
be passionate about their music and funand comedy, and I am not approved.
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I love gallows humor, I lovevery dark humor. I do not
get offended. It's just it's I'mdamn near impossible to offend, because I
just think we all deal with thingsdifferently. However, as Kyle Gas and
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Jack Black, we're performing as tenaciouslyon stage, and this video has now
come out. I'll play some audiofrom it. It apparently is Kyle Gas's
birthday, Jack Black or someone bringsout a cake Black is seeing singing happy
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birthday to Gas on stage, andafter Black told Jack Black told his bandmate
to make a wish, Gas isheard saying Kyle Gas is saying, don't
miss Trump next time. And fromwhat I could hear in the video,
it sounded like the crowd erupted inapplause, and then Jack Black said,
(04:11):
thank you comedians, actors, Hollywoodtypes. What are you gonna do?
We've learned if nothing in the past, I mean we always knew it.
We kind of just look aside thatHollywood is full of a lot of darkness,
evil, ugliness and some really disgustingpeople, not all of them,
(04:35):
I know many that are wonderful humanbeings. But this is why this stuck
out to me. And I wantto play this so you can hear the
audio first. This is the audioof the situation on stage. I'm gonna
play this first. You have mycomputer up in there. Brother, Okay,
(04:56):
here we go. Make a leafcame of. Don't miss Trump next
time. Okay. So that's whattook place there, too soon, I
(05:18):
think is legitimate, and it doesn't. I know, I'm not stupid.
I know people are thinking it.I know some people probably said it in
their homes and you know, witha wink and a smile. For a
couple of reasons. One, Trumpdidn't die by millimeters. But he didn't
(05:38):
die. But here's why it botheredme, in particular that Joe Biden,
the president of these United States,whether you voted for him or not,
that is our president. Our president, came out fairly quickly to renounce what
(06:00):
took place, to state that violenceof any kind, in particular political violence,
has no place. And we allagree with that. That is a
horrible thing. We'll get into moreof that later. So that ugliness and
(06:24):
he said that we need to temptdown, we need to squelch, we
need to cool off the rhetoric andthe ugliness. When three weeks ago that
same president posted this video of JackBlack at his fundraiser, saying this gave
(06:47):
it a Joe Biden fundraiser this pastweek, give this. A few days
ago, my manager called me andsaid, George Clooney and Julia Roberts wanted
me to help out the president andspeak here tonight. And I said I
am in when and where and thankyou. And then they said, Jack,
(07:08):
we know how busy you are.You don't have time. Look at
all the other events that are happeningtonight. Do you already turned down MC
at the Fleegelman bought Mitzvah, theopening of the new Jack in the Box
in Oxnard, Judge at the secondAnnual Imperial Valley Avocado Festival. You don't
(07:28):
see that on Meryl Street's resume.I said, I know I turned them
down, but my president needs me. Okay, thank you. Tiko's on
and it was, you know,his big speech, and he did a
great job in Jack Black form.He's to me hilarious and I've always loved
(07:48):
him, and I'm not saying I'mgonna stop loving him or anything like that,
or he should be canceled or anythinglike that, because that's not my
jam, that's not who I am. But the thing I want you to
hear that hit me the hardest washis president that he said he's standing up
for all were president has just comeout and said we need to tap this
(08:11):
down. If he, as somebodywould stand in front of a Hollywood crowd
and tell them to open their walletsto give thirty million dollars in that one
night, can't shut up for fiveminutes during a concert that had nothing to
(08:33):
do with politics, how are yougonna How is anybody going to be able
to control anyone? If a directadmonition whatever you want to call it from
our president could not even be adheredto for a day or so from people
(08:56):
that say they support him, thenall goes out the window. You're listening
to Tim Conway Junior on demand fromKFI AM six forty. Neil Savader in
for Tim Conway Junior tonight. Justa busy weekend. I was on the
(09:16):
air on Saturday when the gunfire brokeout at the Pennsylvania Donald Trump rally that
we you know, we've seen thoseso many times. They're just you everything
looks pretty much the same every timeyou look at it. But this one
was very different because a twenty yearold whom we will get into who he
(09:39):
is, what we know so far, took a shot at him, multiple
shots at him, hit him inthe ear, as you know by now,
in the right ear, and theSecret Service went and did what they
do best. Now. I knowthat there's some questions about the periphery on
that, but they surrounded him veryquick and went to take him to his
(10:03):
vehicle to exit. After that,the President of these United States, Joe
Biden, comes out. He makesa very stern response saying that there is
no place for that kind of ugliness, that kind of violence in the United
States, political or otherwise. Wehave In addition to President Joe Biden,
(10:26):
I'm coming on and forcefully saying therhetoric needs to be tapped down. We
need to the heat of the words, the vitriol needs to come down.
There are others that came out andsaid the same thing. That's even said.
You know, Trump modified his speechfor the RNC about unity, the
(10:48):
unity, unity, Unity. Ijust played some audio about how unity is
going so far, But over andover we hear the word rhetoric. The
funny thing about that is the onlyone that I know on the planet that
actually has a degree in rhetoric isour friend, my friend, and also
the fearless leader here at KFI,Robin Bertolucci, the program director, And
(11:11):
I brought her on for a secondbecause she literally got a degree in rhetoric.
And rhetoric is used in logic,it is used in writing, It
has used in all kinds of things. What is what's the definition? To
the best of your ability. Well, well, first of all, I'm
going to tell you, rhetoric isdefinitely getting a bad rap, right.
Rhetoric is used as a pejorative wordto put down hostile language. But rhetoric
(11:37):
is a classical discipline that really meansnothing more than persuasive communication. So you're
so without a qualifier, it getsdemonized because no one's saying. You know,
in some places, even Stephalas staffastepha Snephalopagas he said, violent rhetoric,
(11:58):
And with that qualifier it makes sense. But otherwise, people, the
only time you hear it is usuallyin a negative fashion or in a rhetorical
question. Those are the only timesyou hear it? This is true?
Yeah, this is true. Soit's used, you say, it's a
classical discipline, like logic, likewriting itself. It's understanding the power of
words and using them in a persuasivemanner. So it would be used in
(12:20):
debate, It could be used forlaw. Is there a specific path that
people go into. I know it'snot pding radio stations, but what is?
What's a That was definitely a twiston the rhetoric degree. You know
when I graduated. It's not likepeople coming out of the woodwork saying,
you know, I need somebody witha rhetoric degree. But I think anything
(12:41):
where you have a form of communication, really the key to rhetoric is to
not just talk about a piece ofwork, whether it's a speech, whether
it's a poem, whether it's alaw, but to really talk about it
and say who is the intended audienceof this work, and is it effective
or not? And why? Sothe power of words properly used and for
(13:05):
a qualified audience. Okay, sofor example, if you were speaking to
a class of fifth graders, youwould use different rhetoric than if you were
speaking to a ARP meeting about thesame subject. That makes total sense.
So knowing your audience, applying wordsproperly not only to persuade, but to
inform or educate the best use Okay, because it does always seem like,
(13:28):
do you know do you keep intouch with anybody that graduated? What did
some of them do? Because Iwould think maybe PR could be something a
public relations rather with relations advertising teaching. I know that was a focus of
yours, and we worked together alot in the marketing department quite pleasurely.
(13:50):
By the way, I really loveworking with Robin when it comes to coming
up with billboards and television spots andthings that we've done in the past.
Because you always thought you would probablyget into advertising, we talked about that
a lot, absolutely, and speakingto a large audience about a product or
item or what have you. Butreally, I mean, ultimately, rhetoric
(14:11):
is just simply looking at a workand trying to figure out if it's doing
a good job reaching that audience inthe way that it intends to. And
you could look at a poem andtry and figure out who it was for.
You could look at a speech andfigure out who it was for and
see if it was effective or notdo all things have an audience like a
(14:33):
poetry is some poetry or music justwritten to be written by the artist or
the individual and cannot be discerned bywhat's read or heard. Well, I
think the thing that I loved aboutrhetoric I got taped really quick. I'm
sorry, heavy man. My headis like, but you know what I'm
saying. Can you read something andgo, oh, that's that's personal and
(14:54):
it just happens to be public.Well, I think you could read something
and say the intended audience would bethe self. Gotcha? Okay, fair
enough? But you know, Ithink that rhetoric ultimately is a little bit
like law and logic in that it'snot necessarily a right or wrong question.
It's more of an opinion. Andcan you justify it? Can you show
(15:16):
the math of that information and sayhere's why I believe this. So,
just like anything, it can beused for good or used for bad.
Absolutely, And I think we gotto bring back the word rhetoric in a
good way. SuDS it up.Rhetoric it is. It is strange.
(15:37):
Now, I always tell people whenit comes to language, of course,
is a theologian and somebody who studiedworks of antiquity, like the Bible,
and like I always say, there'sa difference between prescriptive language and descriptive language.
One is describing something and then onewould be prescribed a prescribing something saying
you should go out and do this, And there's a difference. I can
describe ugly things happening and not prescribethem for anybody to go out and do
(16:02):
them. And we see that alot and works where it's like, hey,
that song is not telling you goout and do this, or that
work the poetry, or it's somebodydescribing that it's taken place. So that
would be a form of rhetoric,I imagine, yeah, And I think
anything could be a form of rhetoric. Right, a TV commercial you could
look at it from a rhetorical pointof view. You could look at a
painting from a point of view andtry and decipher who it was for and
(16:26):
what it was trying to accomplish andwhether or not it was effective. And
so rhetorical question is really something itdoesn't need to be answered because the very
asking of the question kind of answersitself. And you're in the person's listening
that makes sense, you know,right, a rhetorical question is a question
that's already been asked and answered right, like does the Pope crap in the
(16:47):
woods? I feel like I gotthat mixed up answer. No, Thanks
for taking the time. I'm surethere's nothing worse than having one of your
hosts go, hey, can youconsider it with this for a minute.
Thanks. There is one individual ata time, Rob Bertolucci is going to
try and save the word rhetoric fromgoing down the piss hole that everything else
(17:07):
is going down these days. Thanks, appreciate you love you mean it all
right? Stick around. More tocome, including that word rhetoric with the
precursor of violence in front of it. Also the misinformation host that came within
hours of the assassination attempt. We'lltalk about that and how the assassination attempt
(17:32):
is the most vulgar and upsetting partof this. The second part may not
be a close second is the misinformation, and we'll iron some of that out.
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior ondemand from KFI AM six forty.
(17:52):
Hey, everybody, Neil Savager infor Tim Conway Junior. I believe it's
supposed to be uh. Our buddyMark Thompson tonight, but something came up,
and I believe help me back tomorrow, I think if Timmy's still out,
but I'm happy to be in today. I'll be back on the Morning
show tomorrow with Bill Handel at allso join us there, won't you?
(18:15):
All? Right? The assassination attempton former President Trump this past Saturday,
I don't care where you stand.A sad day for America just is for
those on either side of the islewho claim they fear the death of democracy,
which is one of those things youkeep hearing. It's bad for democracy,
(18:37):
It's going to be the end ofdemocracy, the death of democracy.
Nothing could be less democratic than tryingto take the life of a candidate or
take somebody out of the race likethat. Yet, to me watching all
of this unfold during being the onewho was on the air here at KFI
Live at the time and watching everythingfrom the days that have gone on,
(19:03):
to me, there's this this secondary, sinister and incredibly disruptive element, and
this is the chaos that comes withan event like this. Right, people
are looking for answers, and itseems like instead of finding the answers,
there's an influx of just throwing crapat the wall. And you can call
(19:27):
it misinformation, disinformation, you cancall it playing lies. But to me,
it's only a lie in those firststages if somebody knows that it's not
true and they're pushing it out.Most people are just getting the fragments of
it, the ricochet of it,the shrapnel in a moment of intensity when
(19:49):
news first hits. Talking with GaryHoffman on Saturday, who came in to
take the shift after me, havinga great conversation and now I know you
see Gary and Shannon as these greattalk show hosts than they are, but
some people forget that they were awardwinning reporters as well. And I will
(20:12):
tell you it's been he being herefor thirty years, not a whole lot
impresses me day in and day out. But it was really cool to watch,
you know, Gary work. AndI feel the same about Shannon when
I see breaking news and the like. It was just just to see the
way he processes information and he sitsdown And before I asked him to come
(20:33):
on with me, before he cameon, he said, come on,
sit down and we're talking and hesays, man, I can feel it,
and I'm like what he goes Ican feel that power hose that is
going to come our way of allthe information that you have to sift through.
And I looked at him and Isaid, you know, I got
the easy job. I did thecircle of information, repeating, adding new
(21:00):
stuff as it came in. Butsure enough, once I got off at
five was when the real disinformation wasgoing to come in. And I kind
of saw Gary Hoffman and his baseballcap and his glove or a bat just
ready. They're going to be flyingat him and he's going to have to
decipher. And he did a fantasticjob doing so, and they did continuing
(21:22):
today as I listened to their program, kind of sift through this. So
as the news of the shooting spread, you have this flood of rumors,
just wild ass theories online, peoplesaying everything from the Chinese or a Chinese
national was involved, to blaming Antifa. There was even a picture of a
(21:45):
guy that circulated for a while sayingthis guy Antifa, he was the one
the shooter, or even accusing Trump'sown party. And this is still going
of setting it up, and thenyou'll hear the the other side as well.
Social media lit up with all kindsof claims, some trying to blame
Biden or setting, suggesting that itwas an inside job. Completely nuts across
(22:10):
the board. Now, I likea good conspiracy theory as entertainment, like
anybody else. You can go aheadand tell me the moon is flat all
you want, but it's entertainment.So videos and photos from the scene were
analyzed, twisted to fit different narratives, different people's beliefs, politically or otherwise.
(22:33):
Some said, they show the SecretService failing Trump, and we're gonna
look at that. I mean,that's really gonna come down. There will
be an investigation. Now, ofcourse this has to do with the perimeter,
not with those that acted on stage, other than the fact I think
we all noticed. You know,Trump is six what six' three sixty
four. He's a big guy.I've met him in person. I've shaken
(22:56):
the man's hand. He's a bigguy. And if you can't cover him,
you'd think maybe you'd find somebody whocould. So I know there's stuff
like that. But people claiming,you know, the Secret Service failed Trump,
all these things, other claims,they proved the whole thing was stage.
And think about this, this isnew to us. There were even
(23:22):
AI generated images circulate circulating. Oneeven showed Trump's smiling after the shooting.
And it's crazy what people come upwith. It out quickly, and we're
going to get some news with Michaelin a minute. But on returning,
I'm going to try and look forit. Croche, did you see this
at all? A video of RonaldReagan talking about the assassination attempt of Trump?
(23:47):
No, crazy, crazy talking aboutthe attempt on him, the similarities,
and it's crazy. I'm going totry and find it. You could
tell that it's a because he's dead, but when you think about that technology
hovering around, it's just insane.All Right, we'll come back talk more
about miss and disinformation as the storycontinues to unfold, putting pieces together of
(24:15):
the assassination attempt on Donald J.Trump, not only former president, but
the Republican National Convention going on.He is the nominee and we'll be running
for president again in November. You'relistening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from
(24:36):
KFI AM six forty. Hey everybody, Neil Savadra here in for Tim Conway
Junior. Happy to be with youtonight as he has the evening off.
See I'm vak Crow yes, yeah, he is. Gosh, are you
okay, buddy? Did you hityourself in the lower region? Yes?
(24:57):
We what are you talking? Justcruise? You not know what you're doing.
Oh, he doesn't have his headphoneson, so belly keep BELLYO keeps
saying yes for you and cutting yourmic. So I'm like, are yoused?
(25:19):
I wasn't confused by her answering forme. I don't know. You're
a curious fellow. I don't knowwhat happened this weekend. AnyWho happy to
be here. It's a heavy,heavy news day. Is that this fire
hose of information. Some parts aretrickling, some parts are very forceful because
(25:41):
there's a lot going on. Wewere talking about the misinformation and all of
that. Some disinformation, I supposeyou can say, because some might be
purposeful and some might not be.When it comes to the assassination attempt from
Saturday's rally with former President on Trump. So this comes at a crazy time
(26:02):
in our country, comes in acrazy time, not only politically, but
it comes into crazy time technologically.We were talking about some of the things
that you can kind of foresee peoplecoming out saying it was a Chinese national
because there's stuff about that in thenews right China and us here in the
(26:23):
States, some blaming Antifa. That'skind of on the bingo card every single
time anyways, So people really tryingto analyze the videos, the photos,
twisting them to fit different narratives.The one thing that comes with this being
in this industry for thirty years ormore is that, unfortunately, anytime there's
(26:48):
big news like this, moments thatthat are are not just confusing, but
they fuel a fire often start atthe tips that the kindling is always the
extremists, the hate groups. That'sthe kindling of every fire. So you
can say the gas is the eventitself, big news, and then the
(27:12):
kindling is the the fringes. Itstarts first, and then it takes hold
of all of us in one wayor another. It spreads like this massive
wildfire from misidentifying the shooter before authoritieseven had a chance to confirm anything.
(27:36):
Top it off, some folks weretrying to profit. That was insane to
me. Now, I will tellyou I have a side business where I
do promotional material and things like that. I love doing a design work and
light fabrication all that. I wasimpressed how quickly people got this on T
shirts and mugs and the light sellingthem on you know, the merchandise online.
(28:02):
Is that America an ingenuity or isit sickening you decide. Politicians weren't
immune to the chaos either. SomeRepublicans blame blame Biden, of course,
citing comments that he made that couldhave been, you know, seen as
inciting violence. Other experts say,you know, jumping to conclusions like that
are are a dangerous path to godown. They argued that heated rhetoric from
(28:29):
both sides escalated. Now, ofcourse that word rhetoric, it's the heated,
it's the ugly side of it,trying to save rhetoric, even if
most people rejected violence as a solution. So it's it's pretty crazy. But
one of the things that stood outto me that we didn't have before.
This is a massive event that tookplace with the internet. So that in
(28:52):
itself is pretty crazy. But youknow what else we had give a listen
to this, This to me isin sane. Did you see that guy
who tried to assassinate Donald Trump thisafternoon? He looks like a dog,
a wimpy little loser who probably hatesAmerica. His name is Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Anyways, he's a dead guy.Now we'll remember our dearly departed Thomas
(29:15):
by his incompetence with a firearm.He was one hundred feet from the Donald
with an AR fifteen, but hecould only hit his ear. You know,
I think Thomas studied at the HelenKeller Institute of Marksmanship. I'll give
him an A for effort, buthe gets an F for execution. In
all seriousness, I know a thingor two about assassination attempts. John Hinckley
tried to take me out in nineteeneighty one. He was a loser too,
(29:38):
but he did more damage to mewith a twenty two caliber Pea shooter
than this inept dim wit. Iwent to the emergency room, but they
fixed me up when I got out. I won the Cold War and turned
America into the sole superpower on Earth. Anyways, Thomas' parents are probably very
embarrassed by their now dead Moro,Sun, good Night, and God bless
(30:02):
America. Okay, so you canhear is that not fit into the whole
rhetoric and language? And how doesthat not? Absolutely does? Now I
don't know the creater. It's justa cuter way of doing it absolutely and
I don't know who created it.Maybe we'll find out. Now. When
you attach that here with a keenaudio ear that we listen to all the
(30:25):
time, you can hear the clipsand the pauses and things being pinched together
and the AI rhythm that comes withartificial you know, building of something like
this. But when you put itwith actual old video from the eighties and
it's matching, then you you seeRonald Reagan saying these things. And I
(30:48):
was like, okay, that iswith old audio, old video. Imagine
now having not taking digitized analog stuffbut digital stuff and bringing it together.
So we have another monster or anotherhead to the you know, hydron or
what is it, Heedron Hydra That'swhat I'm looking for. That that is
(31:14):
going to make things even more difficultthroughout the entirety of this. More to
come, including information about what's goingon at the Republican National Convention and Donald
Trump's pick for the vice president.Much more to come, So go know
where this is KFI, Los Angelesand of course everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
(31:38):
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