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Speaker 4 (00:15):
Good evening. I'm Nora O'Donnell, and thank you for joining
us for tonight's CBS News Vice presidential debate. We want
to welcome our viewers on CBS on other networks here
in the US and around the world. We have a
consequential night ahead, and our focus is the issues that
matter to you, the voter. Let's introduce the candidates. Minnesota
is Democratic Governor Tim Walls and Ohio's Republican Senator jd
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Vance tonight meeting for the first time.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I'm Margaret Brennan. In order to have a thoughtful and
civil debate. These are the rules that both campaigns have
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will have two minutes to respond. The other candidate will
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Speaker 3 (01:20):
By each other.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidate's microphones
to maintain decorum. We have not shared the questions or
topics with the campaigns. The stage is set, Governor, Senator,
thank you for joining us. Let's get started tonight. Our
country is facing several unfolding crises. The Middle East is
on the brink of war. Americans are suffering from the
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catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene, and now a labor strikes.
Twenty five thousand DOC workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.
We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Margaret, thank you, Nora. Earlier today, iron launched its largest
attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to
join US and Israeli defensive action. President Biden has deployed
more than forty thousand US military personnel and assets to
that region over the past year to try to prevent
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a regional war. Iran is weakened, but the US still
considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism. In the world,
and it has drastically reduced the time it would take
to develop a nuclear weapon. It is down now to
one or two weeks time. Governor Walls, if you are
the final voice in the situation room, would you support
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or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You
have two minutes.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, thank you, and thank you for those joining at
home tonight. Let's keep in mind where this started. October seventh,
Homas terrorists massacred over fourteen hundred Israelis and took prisoners Iran.
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself as absolutely fundamental,
getting its hostages back fundamental, and ending the humanitarian crisis
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in Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies
is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to
have the steady leadership there you saw it experience today
where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able
to stop the incoming attack. But what's fundamental here is
that steady leadership is going to matter. It's clear and
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the world sought on that debate stage a few weeks ago,
a nearly eighty year old Donald Trump talking about crowd
sizes is not what we need in this moment.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
But it's not just that.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand
how dangerous he is. When the world is this dangerous,
His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was
the most flawed human being you'd ever met, and both
of his secretaries of defense and his national security advisors
said he should be nowhere near the White House now.
The person closest to them to the Donald Trump said
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he's unfit for the highest office.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
That was Senator of Vance.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've
seen steady leadership. We've seen a calmnist that is able
to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring
them together, understanding that our allies matter. When our allies
see Donald Trump turned towards Vladimir Putin turned towards North Korea,
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when we start to see that type of fickleness around
holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed. And as
the Vice President said today is we will protect our
forces and our allied forces, and there will be consequences.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Governor, your time is Senator Vance. The same question, would
you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You have two minutes, so Margot, I want to answer
the question. First of all, thanks Governor, thanks to CBS
for hosting the debate, and thanks, most importantly the American
people who are watching this evening and caring enough about
this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
I want to answer the question, but I want to
actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because
I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either
one of us are. I was raised in a working
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class family. My mother acquired food assistants for periods of
her life. My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me,
and she raised me in part because my own mother
struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
I went to college on the GI bill. After I
enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq. And
so I stand here asking to be your vice president
with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream
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that made it possible for me to live my dreams.
And most importantly, I know that a lot of you
are worried about the chaos in the world and the
feeling that the American dream is unattainable. I want to
try to convince you tonight, over the next ninety minutes
that if we get better leadership in the White House,
if we get Donald Trump back in the White House,
the American dream is going to be attainable once again. Now,
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to answer this particular question, we have to remember that
as much as Governor Waltz just accused Donald Trump of
being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability
in the world, and he did it by establishing effective
deterrence people were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran,
which launched this attack, has received over one hundred billion
dollars in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
What do they use that money for?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching
against our allies, and god forbid, potentially launching against the
United States as well. Donald Trump recognized that for people
to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
They needed to recognize that if they got out of line,
the United States global leadership would put stability and peace
back in the world. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret,
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and I want to answer the question. Look, it is
up to Israel what they think they need to do
to keep their country safe, and we should support our
allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
I think that's the right approach to take with the
Israel question.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Thank you, Senator, Governor Walls. Do you care to respond
to any of the allegations, Well.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Look, donald Trump was in office.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
We'll sometimes or revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was
in office, it was Donald Trump who We had a
coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in
the inability to advance it. Donald Trump pulled that program
and put nothing else in its place. So Iran is
closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because
of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. And when Iran shot down
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an American aircraft in international airspace, donald Trump tweeted because
that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. And when Iranian
missiles did fall near US troops and they received traumatic
brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches. Look,
our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. He will
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go to whoever has the most flattery or where it
makes sense to him. Steady leadership like you witnessed today,
like you witnessed in April, both Iranian attacks were repelled.
Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership
that Kamala Harris is providing.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Jenor Vance. The US did have a diplomatic deal with
Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program, and
President Trump did exit that deal. He recently said just
five days ago, the US must now make a diplomatic
deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible. Did he
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make a mistake? You have one minute.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word.
But I think that's something that Governor Waltz just said
is quite extraordinary. You yourself just said Iran is as
close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.
And Governor walts, you blame Donald Trump, who has been
the vice president for the last three and a half years,
And the answer is you're.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Running mate, not mine.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure. Now we
talk about what the sequence of events that led us
to where we are right now, and you can't ignore
October the seventh, which I appreciate Governor Waltz bringing up.
But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel.
It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So Governor Waltz can criticize.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through
strength is how you bring stability back to a very
broken world. Donald Trump has already done it once before.
Ask yourself at home, when was the last time I'm
forty years old, when was the last time that an
American president didn't have a major conflict breakout? The only
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answer is during the four years that Donald Trump's president.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. Noura, Margaret,
thank you. Let's turn out to Hurricane Helene. The storm
could become one of the deadliest on record. More than
one hundred and sixty people are dead and hundreds more
are missing. Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger,
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and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator Vance,
according to CBS News polling, seven to ten Americans and
more than sixty percent of Republicans under the age of
forty five favor the us TA making steps to try
and reduce climate change. Senator, what responsibility would the Trump
administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change.
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I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sure, So first of all, let's start with the hurricane,
because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. I just saw
today actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof
with a six year old child, and it was the
last photograph ever taken to them because the roof collapsed
and those innocent people lost their lives. And I'm sure
Governor Waltz joins me and saying, our hearts go out
to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them,
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and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal
response as we can get to save as many lives
as possible, and then of course afterwards to help the
people in those communities rebuild. I mean, these are communities
that I love, some of them I know very personally,
and Appalachia, all across the southeast.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
They need their government to do their job.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again,
the government will put the citizens of this country first
when they suffer from a disaster. And or are you
asked about climate change? I think this is a.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Very important issue.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all
these crazy weather patterns.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think it's important for us, first.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air,
clean water. We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
But one of the things that I've noticed some of
our Democratic friends talking a lot about is a concern
about carbon emissions. This idea that carbon emissions drives all
of the climate change. Well, let's just say that's true,
just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing
about weird science.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Let's just say that's true. Well, if you believe that,
what would you want to do.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much
American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as
much energy as possible in the United States of America
because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. What
have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to more energy production
in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business than some
of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. And when
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I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions
they're doing per unit.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Of economic output.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and
cleaner water. The best thing to do is to double
down and invest in American workers and the American people.
And unfortunately Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Governor Walls, you have two minutes to respond, Well, we got.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Close to an agreement because all those things are happening. Look,
first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane,
and my heart goes out to the folks that are
down there in contact with the governors. I serve as
co chair of the Council of Governors as we work
together on these emergency managements. Governors know no partisanship. They
work together to so all of the governors and the
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emergency responders are on the ground those happen on the
front end. The federal government comes in make sure they're
there too, that we recover. But we're still in that
phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there,
staying focused. Now, look, coming back to the climate change
is there's no doubt this thing brought onto the scene
faster and stronger than anything we've seen. Center Vance has
said that there's a climate problem. In the past, Donald
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Trump called it a hoax, and then joke that these
things would make more beachfront property to be able to
invest in. What we've seen of the Harris administration now
the Bidenariess administration, is we've seen this investment. We've seen
massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen
in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across
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the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio. Taking the ev
technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred
thousand jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant
in North America sets in Minnesota. But my farmers, no,
climate change is real. They've seen five hundred year droughts,
five hundred year floods back to back.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
But what they're doing is adapting.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
And this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest,
korn harves, soybean harvest wind. We are producing more natural
gas and more oil at any time than we ever had.
We're also producing more clean energy. So the solution for
us is to continue to move forward. That climate change
is real. Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
This is not a false choice.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
You can do that at the same time you're creating
the jobs that we're seeing all across the country.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
That's exactly what this administration has done.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future,
not just the current. And that's what absolutely makes sense,
and then we start thinking about how do we mitigate
these disasters.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Thank you, Senator, I want to give you an opportunity
to respond. There, the governor mentioned that President Trump has
called climate change a hoax. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, look, what the President has said is that if
the Democrats, and the particular Kamala Harris and her leadership,
if they really believe that climate change is serious, what
they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy
production in the United States of America.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And that's not what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric
on this. If she did, she would actually agree with
Donald Trump's energy policies. Now, something Governor Wall said is
important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy,
I think that's the slogan that often the Democrats will use. Here,
I'm talking a course about the Democratic leadership, and the
real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions
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or even billion of dollars of American tax payer money
on solar panels that are made in China. Number One,
you're going to make the economy dirtier. We should be
making more of those solar panels here in the United
States of America. Some of them are attend but a
lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially
the components that go into those solar panels.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So if you really.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest
in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility
I think one in the past forty years.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Natural gas we got to invest more in it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Kamala Harris has done the opposite, that's raised energy prices
and also meant that we're doing Time is up.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Governor.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Would you like to respond, well, look, we're producing more
natural gas.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
There's no moratorium on that. We're producing more oil.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
But the folks know and like I said again, these
are not liberal folks. These are not folks that are
green New deal folks. These are farmers that have been
drought one year, massive flooding the next year.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
They understand that it makes sense.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Look, our number one export cannot be top soil from
erosion from these massive storms we saw it this summer
and thinking about how do we respond to that. We're
thinking ahead on this and what Kamala Harris has been
able to do in Minnesota. We're starting to weather proof
some of these things. The infrastructure law that was passed
allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How
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do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our
power lines. How do we make sure that we're protecting
lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of.
But to call it a hoax and to take the
oil company executives tomorrow Lago say give me money for
my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.
We can be smarter about that, and an all above
energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs
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right here.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Governor, your time is up. The overwhelming consensus among scientists
is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Margaret, thank you, Noah. We're going to turn now to immigration.
The crisis at the US Mexico border consistently ranks as
one of the top issue for American voters. Senator Vance,
your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest deportation
plan in American history, and to use the US military
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to do so. Could you be more specific about exactly
how this will work. For example, would you deport parents
who have entered the US illegally and separate them from
any of their children who were born on US soil.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You have two minutes, So first of all, Margaret, before
we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.
We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started
and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald
Trump's border policies, ninety four executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing
illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Exists in our system.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That has opened the floodgates, and what it's meant is
that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.
I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And has gotten clean.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to
be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris led
in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've
got to stop the bleeding. You've got to re implement
Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, reimplement deportations, and
that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Do we actually do.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So we've got twenty twenty five million legal aliens who
are here in the country, what do.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
We do with them?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think the first thing that we do is we
start with the criminal migrants. About a million of those
people have committed some form of crime in addition to
crossing the border illegally. I think you start with deportations
on those folks, and then I think you make it
harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers.
A lot of people will go home if they can't
work for less than minimum wage in our own country.
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And by the way, that'll be really good for our
workers who just want to earn a fair wage for
doing a good day's work. And the final point, Margaret,
is you ask about family separation. Right now in this
country market we have three hundred and twenty thousand children
that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. Some
of them have been sex trafficked, some of them hopefully
are at homes with their families.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately
Kamala Harris's wide open southern border. And I'd ask my
fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she
said she was going to do this. Real leadership would
be saying, you know what, I screwed up. We're going
to go back to Donald Trump's border policies.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I wish that she would do that. It would be
good for all of us.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Governor, do you care to respond to any of those
specific allegations, including that the vice president is quote letting
in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Guarding children the drug mules not true?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
But I will say about this about the funeral, because
this is a crisis. Of this the opioid crisis, and
the good news on this is is the last twelve
months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our
nation's history, thirty percent decrease in Ohio.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
But there's still more work to do.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
But let's go back to this on immigration, Kamala Harris
was the attorney general of the largest state in a
border state, in California.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
She's the only person in this.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
But look, we all want to solve this. Most of
us want to solve.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
This, and that is the United States Congress, that's the
Border patrol agents, that's the Chamber of Commerce, that's most
Americans out here. That's why we had the fairest and
the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen. It
was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Langford.
I know it means super conservative, but he's a man
of principle. Once you get it done. Democrats and Republicans
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worked on this piece of legislation. The border patrols said
this is what we need in here. These are the experts,
and the Chamber of Commerce, and the Wall Street Journal
said pass this thing. Kamala Harris helped get there fifteen
hundred new border agents, detection for drugs, DOJ money to
speed up the adjudications on this just what America wants.
But as soon as I was getting ready to pass
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and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no, told them
to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
It gives him. What would Donald.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things,
and they need to be done by the legislature. You
can't just do this through the executive branch. So look,
we have the options to do this. Donald Trump had
four years. He had four years to do this, and
he promised you, America, how.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Easy it would be. I'll build you a big, beautiful
wall and Mexico will pay for it.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Less than two percent of that wall got built, and
Mexico didn't pay a dime. But here we are again,
nine years after he came down that escalator, dehumanizing people
and telling him what he was going to do.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
As far as a deportation plan.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
At one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable
to be laughable.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
So that's where we're at. Past the bill, she'll sign it.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Govern of your time is a senator. The question was,
will you separate parents from their children even if their
kids are US citizens? You have one minute, Margaret.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
My point is that we already have massive child separations
thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. And I didn't accuse
Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules. I said that she
enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country,
and we know that they use children as drug mules,
and it is a disgrace and it has to stop. Look,
I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
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For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she
was going to undo Donald Trump's border policies.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
She did exactly that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We had a record number of illegal crossings, we had
a record number of fentanyl coming into our country. And
now now that she's running for president, or a few
months before, she says that somehow she got religion and
cared a lot about a piece of legislation. The only
thing that she did when she became the vice president,
when she became the appointed borderz aar was to undo
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ninety four Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
This problem is leading to massive problems in the.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
United States of America.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed. It's
got to stop, and at will, when Donald Trump is president.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
At under your time is up, Governor? What about our
CBS News polling which does show that a majority of Americans,
more than fifty percent, support mass deportations.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Look, we fix this issue with a bill that is necessary.
But the issue on this is this is what happens
when you don't want to solve it, you demonize it,
and we saw this and Senator Vans and it surprises
me on this talking about and saying I will create
stories to bring attention to this that vilified a large
number of people who were here legally in the community
of Springfield. The Republican governor said, it's not true. Don't
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do it. There's consequences for this. We could come together,
Senator Langford did it. We could come together and solve
this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make
it an issue. And the consequences in Springfield were the
governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergarteners
to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this,
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but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together
to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. And
when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize
and villainize other human beings.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Tim Governor, your time is up center. I'll give you
one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.
The governor has made the point, and I think as
a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse
strings any funding. So you have said repeatedly that Donald
Trump would through executive action solve this. Do you disagree
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that Congress controls the per strings and would need to
support many of the changes that you would actually want
to implement. You have one minute, Margaret.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
First of all, the gross majority of what we need
to do at the southern border is just empowering law
enforcement to do their job.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Kamala Harris has been, and it's actually heartbreaking because the
border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to
do their job. Of course, additional resources would help, but
most of this is about the president and the vice
president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try
to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay
in Mexico. You've got to go back through proper channels.
Nonor Waltz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's
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very worried about the things that I've said.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
In Springfield.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Look in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country.
You've got schools that are overwhelmed, You've got hospitals that
are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable.
Because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete
with Americans for scarce homes. The people that I'm most
worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who
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have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
It is a disgraced him, and I actually think I
agree with you. I think you want to solve this problem,
but I don't think that Kamala Harris does.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Center. Your time is up, Governor. You have one minute
to respond.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Well, it is law enforcement that asked for the bill,
they helped craft it, they're the ones that supported it.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
It was that's because they know we need to do this.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Look this issue of continuing to bring this up, of
not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
On housing, we could.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Talk a little bit about wallstreechculators buying up housing and
making them blessed affordable, but it becomes a blame. Look,
this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. I
agree it should not take seven years for an asylum
claim to be done.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
This bill gets it done in ninety days. Then you
start to make a difference in this and you start
to adhere to what we know American principles. I don't
talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew twenty five p.
Forty talks about to the least amongst us, you do
unto me. I think that's true of most Americans. They
simply want order to it.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
This bill does it, it's funded, it's supported by the
people who do it, and it lets us keep our
dignity about how we treat other people.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield,
Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who
have legal status temporary protected more. Thank you, Senator. We
have so much to get to Marga.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I think it's important we're going to turn out of
the economy.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Thanks Margaret.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The rules were that you got to get a fact check,
and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
to say what's actually going on. So there's an application
called the CBP one app where you can go on
as an illegal migrant.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Apply for asylum or apply.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
For parole and be granted legal status at the wave
of a Kamala Harris open border Wand that is not
a person coming in applying for a green cart and
waiting for ten years.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Thanks you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Senator crotation of a legal immigration Margaret Bye.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Thank you senator for describing the legal process. You have
so much ticket to the senator so much.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
The book since nineteen ninety.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
We want to have that app has not been on
the books.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's something to.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Gentlemen. The audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
We have so much we want to get to. Thank
you for explaining the legal process, Nora.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Thank you, Margaret. The economy is a top concern for voters.
Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so
let's talk about the specifics. Vice President Harrison veiled a
plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing,
and a renewed child tax credit. The Wharton School says
your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by one point
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two trillion dollars. How would you pay for that without
ballooning the deficit? Governor will give you two minutes.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Yeah, thank you, and Kamala Harrison. I do believe in
the middle class because that's where we come from. We
both grew up in that. We understand. So those of
you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of
stuff back and forth, and it's good, it's healthy. That's
what this was supposed to happen. You should be listening.
How's this going to impact me? The Bold Forward plan
that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking
about this housing issue. The one thing is there's three
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million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment
assistance on the front end. It gets you in a house.
A house is much more than just an asset to
be traded somewhere. It's foundational to where you're at. And
then making sure that the things you buy every day,
whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's
fairness in that. Look, the thirty five dollars in insulin
is a good thing, but it costs five dollars to
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make insulin. They were charging eight hundred dollars before this
law went into effect. As far as the housing goes,
I've seen it in Minnesota twelve percent more houses in Minneapolis.
Prices went down on rent four percent. It's working. And
then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.
Six thousand dollars child tax credit we have one in
Minnesota reduces childhood poverty by a third. We saved money
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in the long run, and we do the right thing
for families and then getting businesses off the ground. The
laws it stands right now is five thousand dollars tax
credit for small business, increasing that to fifty thousand. Now,
this is a philosophical difference between us. Donald Trump made
a promise and I'll.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Give you this.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
He kept it.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
He took folks tomorrow Lago said you're riches, helme and
give you a tax cut. He gave the tax cuts
that predominantly went to the top.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
Past.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
What happened there was an eight trillion dollar increase in
the national depth, the largest ever. Now he's proposing a
twenty percent consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.
Everyone agrees, including businesses. It would be destabilizing it. It
would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look,
this is simple for you. Where are we going? Kamala
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Harris has said, to do the thing she wants to do.
We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share.
When you do that, our system works best. More people are.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Participating in it, and folks have the things that they need.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Senata, I want to give you a moment to respond
on that. But similarly, the Wharton School has done an
analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase
the nation's deficit by five point eight trillion. My question
is the same for you, how do you pay for
all that without ballooning the deficit. I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot
from Tim Walls this evening, and you just heard it
in the answer, a lot of what Kamala Harris proposes
to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you,
it even sounds pretty good. Here's what you want here
is that Kamala Harris has already done it. Because she's
been the Vice president for three and a half years,
she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And what she's actually done.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Instead is drive the cost of food higher by twenty
five percent, drive the cost of housing higher by about
sixty percent, open the American southern border, and make middle
class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans. If
Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address
middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
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Not one asking for a promotion, but in the job
the American people gave.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Her three and a half years ago, and the fact.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That she isn't tells you a lot about how much
you can trust her actual plans. Now, Donald Trump's economic
plan is not just a plan.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But it's also a record.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans
and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense
and they don't have wisdom. Because Donald Trump's economic policies
to deliver to the highest take home pay and a
generation in this country one point five percent inflation, and
to boot peace and security all over the world. So
when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense,
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I say, look at the record he delivered rising take
home pay for American workers. Now, Tim admir admits that
they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, But if
you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's
tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is
that a lot of those resources went to giving more
take home pay to middle class and working class Americans.
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It was passed in twenty seventeen, and you saw an
American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in
this country. That is a record that I'm proud.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
To run on.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
And we're going to get back to that common sense
wisdom so that you can afford to live the American
dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling.
I know a lot of you are worried about paying
the bills. It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings
back common sense to this country.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Governor, do you want to respond to that. What has
Kamala Harris done for the Middle coup?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Yeah, well, Kamala Harris was Day one.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the
collapse for our economy. We were already before COVID in
a manufacturing recession, but ten million people out of work,
largest percentage since a Great depression. Nine million jobs closed
on that. That was day one. Whether it was the
infrastructure actor of the things we moved. Now, you made
a question about experts, said this. I've made a note
of this. Economists don't know. You can't be trusted. Science
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can't be trusted. National security folks can't be trusted. Look,
if you're going to be president, you don't have all
the answers Donald Trump believes he does.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
My pro tip of the day is this, if you
need heart surgery.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota,
not Donald Trump. And the same thing goes with this.
And I asked you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers
or whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your
taxes every year? And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal
tax in the last fifteen years, and the last year
is president. That's what's wrong with the system. There's a
way around it. And he's bragged about that. We're just
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asking for fairness in it. And that's all you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Want, no governor, you say, trust the experts.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But those same experts for.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Forty years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base
off to China, we get cheaper goods. They lied about that.
They said if we shipped our industrial base off to
other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the
middle class stronger.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They were wrong about that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
They were wrong about the idea that if we made
America less self reliant, less productive in our own nation,
that it would somehow make us better off.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And they were wrong about it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump
had the wisdom and the courage to say to that
bipartisan consensus.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
We're not doing it anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We're bringing American manufacturing back, We're unleashing American energy. We're
going to make more of our own stuff. And this
isn't just an economic issue. And I've got three beautiful
little kids at home, seven, four and two, and I
love them very much, and I hope they're in bed
right now. But look, so many of the drugs, the
pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children
are manufactured by.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Nations that hate us.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This has to stop, and we're not going to stop
it by listening to experts. We're going to stop it
by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald
Trump governed on.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Senator you're talking about, Governor Walls, can you address that.
I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the
economy more.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Why if you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to
get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Look, I'm a union guy on this.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas,
but I understand that. Look, we produce soybeans and corn.
We need to have fair trading partners. That's something that
we believe in. I think the thing that most concerns
me on this is is Donald Trump was the guy
who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
So the rhetoric is good. Much of what the senator
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said right there. I'm in agreement with him on this.
I watched it happen too. I watched it to my communities,
and we talked about that. But we had people undercutting
the right to collectively bargain.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
We had right to work. States made it more difficult.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
We had companies that were willing to ship it over
and we saw people profit that. Folks that are venture
capital in some cases putting money into companies that were overseas.
We're in agreement that we bring those home. The issue
is Donald Trump is talking about it. Kamala Harris has
a record two hundred and fifty thousand more manufacturing jobs
just in the out of the IRA Mari's.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Spot of that. Yes, so I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So if you notice what Governor Waltz did as he said,
first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts,
and then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up,
he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good
of a.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Job as this.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's Coach General that he did, so what Tim Waltz
is doing. And I honestly, Tim, I think you got
a tough job here because you've got to play whack
a mole. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't
deliver rising take home pay, which of course he did.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation,
which of course he did. And then you simultaneously got
to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record which has made gas,
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groceries and housing unaffordable fair American citizens. I was raised
by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt
so that she could put food.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
On the table in our household.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I know what it's like to not be able to
afford the things that you need to afford. We can
do so much better to all of you watching. We
can get back to an America that's affordable again. We
just got to get back to common sense economic principles.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
I hope we have a conversation on healthcare.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Then, Senator and Governor, please thank you, Margaret.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
To get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now,
I want to talk about personal qualifications. The vice president
is often the last voice the president hears before making
consequential decisions. We want to ask you about your leadership qualities,
Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
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the deadly Tieneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen
eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, well, and the folks out there, it didn't get
at the top of this look. I grew up in small,
rural Nebraska town of four hundred town that you rode
your bike with your buddy still the street lights come on,
and I'm proud of that service.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
I joined the National.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Guard at seventeen, worked on family farms, and then I
use the GI bill to become a teacher. Passion about
it a young teacher. My first year out, I got
the opportunity in the summer of eighty nine to travel
to China thirty five years ago. Be able to do that,
I came back home and then started a program to
take young people there. We would take basketball teams, we
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would take baseball teams. We would take dancers and we
would go back and forth to China. The issue for
that was was to try and learn. Now, look, my
community knows who I am. They saw where I was at.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
They look. I will be the first to tell you
I have poured my heart into my community.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
I've tried to do the best I can, but I've
not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
But it's always been about that.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Those same people elected me to Congress for twelve years,
and in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people,
working on things like farm bills that we got done,
working on veterans benefits, and then the people of Minnesota
were able to elect me to governor twice. So look,
my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure
that I'm there for the people, to make.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
Sure that I get this right. I will say more
than anything.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Many times I will talk a lot, I will get
caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact
it made, the difference it made in my life.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
I learned a lot about China. I hear the critiques
of this.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
I would make the case that Donald Trump should have
come on one of those trips with US, I guarantee
you he wouldn't be praising chijingping about COVID, and I
guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he
ends up losing.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
So this is about trying to understand the world.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
It's about trying to do the best you can for
your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and
letting your folks understand what it is my commitment. Whether
it be through teaching, which I was good at, or
whether it was being a good soldier, or was being
a good member of Congress, those are the things that
I think are the values that people care about.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Governor, Just to follow up on that, the question was,
can you explain the Nancy.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
All I said on this was is I got there
that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong
and China during the democracy protests went in and from
that I learned lot of what needed to be in governance.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Thank you, Governor. Senator Vance. In twenty sixteen, you called
your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office,
and you said he could be America's hitler. I know
you've said You've been asked many times, and you've said
you regret those comments and explained you then voted for
Donald Trump in twenty twenty. But The Washington Post reported
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new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's
economic record while he was president, writing to someone in
twenty twenty, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
Here now is running mate, and you've shifted many of
your policy stances to align with his. If you become
vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give
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Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not
just the advice he wants to hear. You have two minutes.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open
and sometimes, of course I've disagreed with the president, but
I've also been extremely open about the fact that I
was wrong about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I was wrong, first of all, because.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I believed some of the media stories that turned out
to be dishonest fabrications of his record. But most importantly,
Donald Trump delivered for the American people rising wages, rising
take home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans,
a secure southern border, a lot of things frankly that
I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on and yeah,
when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get
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something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to
be honest with the American people about It's one of
the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is
because I think it's important to actually explain to the
American people where I come down on the issues and
what changed.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
You pointed out to messages.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
From twenty twenty, Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I
think there were a lot of things that we could
have done better in the Trump administration the first round
if Congress was doing its job. I strongly believe, and
I've been a United States Senator, that Congress is not
just a high class debating society. It's not just a
forum for senators and congressmen to whind about problems.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
It's a forum to govern.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So there were a lot of things on the border,
on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could
have done so much more if the Republican Congress and
the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better
about how they governed the country. They were so obsessed
with impeaching Donald Trump. They couldn't actually govern. And I
want to talk about this tarifficsue in particular, Margaret, because
Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Look the one.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Thing and probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden,
But the one thing that Joe Biden did is he
continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
And it's the one issue, the most pro.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Worker part of the Biden administration. It's the one issue
where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at
three dollars a day, you're going to do that and
undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands
up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets
unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
Center. Your time is up, Nora.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Thank you. Now to the issue of reproductive rights. Governor Walls,
after Roe versus Wade was overturned, you signed a bill
into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive
states in the nation when it comes to abortion. Former
President Trump said in the last debate that you believe
abortion quote in the ninth month, is absolutely fine. Yes
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or no? Is that what you support? I'll give you
two minutes.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
It's not what the bill says. But look, this issue
is what's on everyone's mind. Donald Trump put this all
into motion. He brags about how great it was that
he put the judges in and overturned rovers's wait fifty
two years of personal autonomy. And then he tells us, oh,
we send it to the States. It's a beautiful thing.
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Amanda Zorski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing.
A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at
eighteen weeks she has a complication, a tear in the membrane.
She needs to go in the medical care at that
point needs to be decided by the doctor, and that
would have been an abortion, but in Texas that would
have put them in legal jeopardy. She went home, got sepsist,
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nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.
Or in Kentucky Hadlee Duval, a twelve year old child
raped and impregnated by her stepfather.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Those are horrific.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Now, when God asked about that, Senator Vance said, two
wrongs don't make a right. There is no right in this.
So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade.
We made sure that we put women in charge of
their healthcare. But look, this is not where if you
don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will. Their
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Project twenty twenty five is going to have a registry
of pregnancies. It's going to make it more difficult, if
not impossible, to get contraception, and limit access, if not
eliminate access to infertility treatments. For so many of you
out there listening me included infertility treatments are why I
have a child. That's nobody else's business. But those things
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are being proposed. And the catch all on this is
is well, the states will decide what's right for Texas
might not be right for Washington.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
That's not how this works. This is basic human right.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many
other countries in the world. This is about healthcare. In Minnesota,
we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason. We
trust women, we trust doctors.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?
Will you create a Federal Pregnancy Monitoring Agency.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
No, nor certainly we won't.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
And I want to talk about this issue because I
know a lot of Americans care about it, and I
know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that
I've ever said on this topic. And you know, I
grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood
where I knew a lot of young women who had
unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they
feel like.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
They didn't have any other options.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And you know, one of them is actually very dear
to me, and I know she's watching tonight and I
love you, and she told me something a couple of
years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had
that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because
she was in an abusive relationship. And I think that
what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly
wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly
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wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party we've
got to do so much better of a job at
earning the American people's trust back on this issue where
they frankly just don't trust us. And I think that's
one of the things that Donald Trump and I are
endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican party
to be pro family in the fullest sense of the word.
I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us
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to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.
I wanted to make it easier for young families to
afford a home so they can afford a place to
raise that family. And I think there's so much that
we can do on the public policy front just to
give women more options. Now. Of course, Donald Trump has
been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that
we have a big country and it's diverse, and California
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has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia has
a different viewpoint from Arizona. And the proper way to
handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to
let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Their abortion policy.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
And I think that's what makes the most sense in
a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest,
sometimes a very very messy and divided country.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the
question about restrictions.
Speaker 6 (47:29):
Yeah, Well, the question got asked, Donald Trump made the
accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell
you about this idea that they're diverse states. There's a
young woman named Amber Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia,
a restrictive state. Because of that, she had to travel
a long distance to North Carolina to try and get
her care. Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.
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The fact of the matter is, how can we as
a nation say that your life and your rights, as
basic as the right to control your own body, is
determined on geography. There's a very real chance had Amber
Thurmann lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today. That's
why the restoration of roversus. Wait, when you listen to
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Vice President Harris talk about this subject, can you hear
me talk about it? You hear us talking exactly the same.
Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get
the political right of this. I agree with a lot
of what zendor Vance said about what's happening. His running mate, though,
does not, And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Governor.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Your time is up. Senator, let me ask you about
that he mentioned. Was I think referring to a national ban.
In the past, you have supported a federal ban on
abortion after fifteen weeks. In fact, you said, if someone
can't support legislation like that quote, you are making the
United States the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in
the entire world. My question is why have you changed
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your position?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Well, Laura, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I did during what I was running for Senate in
twenty twenty two, talk about setting some minimum national standard.
For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in
place in this country at the federal level. I don't
think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at
least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have
taken a very radical pro abortion stance. But Nora, you
know one of the things that changed is in the
state of Ohio, we had a referendum in twenty twenty three,
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and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way
against my position. And I think that what I learned
from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a
better job at winning back people's trust.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
So many young women would love to have families.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as
something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education,
destroy their relationships. And we have got to earn people's
trust back. And that's why Donald Trump and I are
committed to pursuing pro family policies, making childcare more accessible,
making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do
a better job at that, and that's what real leadership is.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Governor your response, I'm going to respond on the pro
abortion piece of that.
Speaker 7 (50:00):
No, we're not.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
We're pro women. We're pro freedom to make your own choice.
We know what the implications are to not be that
women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling
like they may be prosecuted for providing that care, And
as far as making sure that we're educating our children
and giving them options. Minnesota is a stated one of
the lowest team pregnancy rates. We understand that too. We
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know that the options need to be available, and we
make that true.
Speaker 7 (50:28):
We also make it we're.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
A top three state for the best place to raise children.
But these two things to try and say that we're
pro children but we don't like this, or you guys
are pro abortion, that's not the case at all. We
are pro freedoms for women to make their choices, and
we're going and Kamala Harris is making the case to
make options for children more affordable, a six thousand dollars
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child tax credit. But we're not going to base out
on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive
six hundred.
Speaker 7 (50:56):
Miles to try and get healthcare. Senator, they's fond of that.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
First of all, Governor, I with the Amber Thurman should
still be alive, and there are a lot of people
who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that
she was. And maybe you're free to disagree with me
on this and explain this to me. But as I
read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the
statute that you signed into law, it says that a
doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives,
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the doctor is under no obligation to provide life saving
care to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion.
That is, I think, whether pro choice or provider shaw, that.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Is fundamentally barbaric.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because
some of what we've seen. Do you want to force
Catholic hospitals to perform abortions? Against their will, because Kamala
Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom
of conscience. We can be a big and diverse country
where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the
country more pro baby and pro family.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
But please, yes, Governor, please respond.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
Look, this is one where there's always something there. This
is a very simple proposition. These are women's decisions to
make about their head health care decisions and the physicians.
Speaker 7 (52:02):
Who know best when they need to do this.
Speaker 6 (52:04):
Trying to distort the way a law is written to
try and make a point that's not it at all.
Speaker 7 (52:08):
Was I wrong?
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I'm governor, I please tell me what was that?
Speaker 7 (52:10):
That is not the way the law is written.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
Look, I've given how I've given this advice on a
lot of things that getting involved, getting against that's been
misread and it.
Speaker 7 (52:17):
Was fact checked at the last debate.
Speaker 6 (52:19):
But the point on this is there's a continuation of
these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.
I use this line on this, just mind your own
business on this. Things work best when Roe versus Wade
was in place. When we do a restoration of row
that works best, that doesn't preclude us from.
Speaker 7 (52:36):
Increasing funding for children.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that
child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals, they get
early childhood education, they get healthcare. So the hiding behind,
we're going to do all these other things when you're
not proposing them in your budget.
Speaker 7 (52:52):
Kamala Harris is proposing them.
Speaker 6 (52:54):
She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
I asked the specific question, Governor.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You gave me a slogan as a it's not the case.
Speaker 7 (53:01):
It's not true. That's not what the law says. So
they fact checked it with President Trump.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. We have to move on,
and we're going to be right back with much more
of the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate.
Speaker 8 (53:12):
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Speaker 9 (53:22):
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Speaker 2 (53:29):
Art hands over a gun knowing that their kid is
potentially dangerous. Look, I want to just sort of speak
as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our
oldest is now in second grade, and like a lot
of parents, we send our kids to school with such
hope and such joy and such pride at their.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Little faces on the first day of school.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
And we know, unfortunately that a lot of kids are
going to experience this terrible epondemic of gun violence. And
of course our hearts go out to the families that
are affected by this terrible stuff. And we do have
to do better. And I think that Governor Watson I
actually probably agreed we need to do better on this.
The question is just how do we actually do it
now Here here's something that really bothers me and worries
me about this epidemic of violence. The gross majority close
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to ninety percent, and some of the statists I've seen
of the gun violence in this country is committed with
illegally obtained firearms. And while we're on that topic, we
know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen
a massive influx and the number of illegal guns run
by the Mexican drug cartels. So that number, then the
amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today
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than it was three and a half years ago. But
what do we do about the schools. What do we
do to protect our kids? And I think the answer
is and I say this not loving the answer, because
I don't want my kids to go to school in
a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible
signs of security. But I unfortunately think that we have
to increase security in our schools. We have to make
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the doors lock better, we have to make the doors stronger.
We've got to make the windows stronger. And of course
we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea
that we can magically wave.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
A wand and take guns out of the hands of.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
So we've got to make our schools safer.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
And I think we've got to have some common sense,
bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Governor, you have two minutes.
Speaker 6 (55:13):
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is
this your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a seventeen year
old and he witnessed to shooting at a community center
playing volleyball.
Speaker 7 (55:23):
Those things don't leave you. As a member of Congress,
I set in.
Speaker 6 (55:27):
My office surrounded by dozens of the Sandiog parents and
they were looking at my seven year old picture on
the wall. Their seven year old were dead, and they
were asking us to do something.
Speaker 7 (55:37):
And look, I'm a hunter, I own firearms.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
The Vice President is we understand that the Second Amendment
is there, but our first responsibilities to our.
Speaker 7 (55:46):
Kids to figure this out.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background checks, and.
Speaker 7 (55:54):
We can start to get data. But here's the problem.
Speaker 6 (55:56):
If we really want to solve this, we've got folks
that won't allow research to be even done on gun
violence and this idea that we should just live with it.
And here's what I do think that this is a
good start to the conversation. I one hundred percent believe
that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's a
boring and it breaks your heart. I agree with that,
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but that's not far enough when we know they're things
that work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some
finished schools. They don't have this happen, even though they
have a high gun ownership rate in the country. There
are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.
It's not infringing on your Second Amendment, and the idea
to have some of these weapons out there. It just
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doesn't make any sense. Kamala Harris, as an attorney General,
worked on this issue. She knows that it's there. No
one's trying to scare monger and say we're taking your guns.
But I ask all of you out there, do you
want your schools hardened to look like a fort? Is
that what we have to go When we know there's
countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these
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types of drills. They're being kids. We owe it to
them to get a fix. These are things that should
be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms and
we can make a difference.
Speaker 7 (57:12):
We have to. If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Senator Tim. First of all, I didn't know that your
seventeen year old witness is shooting. I'm sorry about that,
and I appreciate, Okay, christ have mercy. It is awful.
And I appreciate what Tim said actually about Finland because
I do think it illustrates some of the frankly weird
differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland
is okay. First of all, we have way higher rates
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of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse. We
have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country
that I really do think that we need to get
to the.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Root causes of.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Because I don't think it's the whole reason why we
have such a bad gun violence problem, but I.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Do think it's a big piece of.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
It, another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that
affecting our kids. It doesn't earn as many headlines, but
is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of
our big cities. And this is why we have to
empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away,
and take gun offenders off the streets. I think it's
a whole host of things that we can do here,
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but I do think at our schools we've got to
talk about more security.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Senator, thank you. Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban,
but it only later in your political career did you
change your position. Why.
Speaker 6 (58:26):
Yeah, I set in that office with those San Diegog parents.
I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it. Look
the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.
They used to teach gun safety I'm of an age
where my shotgun was in my car so I could
peessant hunt after football practice.
Speaker 7 (58:39):
That's not where we live today.
Speaker 6 (58:41):
And several things I want to mention on this is
talking about cities and where it's at. The Number one
where the most firearm deaths happened in Minnesota are rural suicides.
And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and
shooting themselves, and so we have and we should look
at all of the issues, making sure folks have health
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care and all that. But I want to be very
careful this idea of stigmatizing mental health. Just because you
have a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent. And
I think what we end up doing is we start
looking for escapeboat. Sometimes it just is the guns. It's
just the guns, and there are things that you can
do about it. But I do think that this is
one and I think this is a healthy conversation. I
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think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work.
Protect Second Amendment, protect our children. That's our priority.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Gentlemen, Thank you, Margaret, thank you Nora.
Speaker 5 (59:32):
Let's turn out to the top contributor to inflation, the
high cost of housing and rent. There's a shortage of
more than four million homes in the United States and
that contributes to the high housing prices. Governor Walls. The
Harris campaign promises a twenty five thousand dollars down payment
assistance for first time home buyers and a ten thousand
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dollars tax credit. They also promise to build three million
new home homes. Where are you building these homes? And
won't handing out that kind of money just drive up
prices higher?
Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
No, it's not hanging out.
Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
We have first let me say this this issue of housing,
and I think those of you listening on this, the
problem we've had is that we've got a lot of
folks that see housing as another commodity. It can be
bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.
Those are not folks living in those houses. Those of
you listening tonight, that house a big deal. I bought
and owned one house in my life. My mom still
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lives in the house where I was. And when I
think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after
midnight Mass, where you go with your family. We need
to make it more affordable. And one of the things
is I said this program that the Vice President is up,
pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching. This
is something we're doing in Minnesota. From that lead, we
in the state invested in making sure our housing was
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the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. It
starts to make it easier. We cut some of the
red tape local folks. Look, we can't do at the
federal level, but local folks make it easier to build
those homes.
Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
And then that down payment assistance.
Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
I can tell all of you out there one of
the certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing,
but a veterans home loan. The big thing about a
veterans home loan is you don't have to pay the
down payment.
Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Those are things that make it there.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Now.
Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Look, you're going to pay it back and you're going
to pay your mortgage. Those are things that we know
in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth
that's created from it. And I will give Minneapolis an example.
Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest
inflation rates. We've seen a twelve percent increase in stock
because we've put some of these things in and we're
implementing a state program to make sure we give some
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of that down payment assistance, we get it back from
people because here's what we know. People with stable housing
end up with stable jobs, people with stable housing, have
their kids able to be able to get to school.
All of those things in the long run end up
saving our money. And that's the thing that I think
we should be able to find some common ground in.
But we can't blame immigrants for the only reason. That's
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not the case. It's happening in many cities. The fact
of the matter is is that we don't have enough
naturally affording affordable housing, but we can make sure that
the government's there to help kickstart it, create that create
that base.
Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Governor, your time is, Senator Vance. As far as your
campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to
build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back
on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. Where are
you going to build all the new homes you're promising,
and what part of any of this plan will provide
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immediate relief? You have two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I
agree with. We don't want to blame immigrants for higher
housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris
for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Country, which does drive up cost him.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Twenty five million Illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce
homes is one of this most significant drivers of home
prices in the country.
Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It's why we have massive.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive
increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. Now,
Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now, some of
those ideas I actually think are halfway decent, and some
of them I disagree with. But the most important thing
here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer
to politics. She is the sitting Vice president. If she
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wants to enact all of these policies to make housing
more affordable, I invite her to use the office that
the American people already gave her, not sit around and
campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream
of home ownership completely unaffordable. Now you asked, Margaret, what
would immediately change the equation for American citizens if you
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lower energy prices? As Donald Trump says, Drill, Baby, Drill.
One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from
illegal immigration is think about it. If a truck drivers
pan forty percent more for diesel, then the lumber he's
delivering to the job site to build the house is
also going to be come a lot more expensive. If
we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing
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release relief for American citizens, not by the way, just
in housing, but in a whole host of other economic
goods too.
Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Senator advance, you still have twenty three seconds there. Do
you want to answer?
Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
I have it where.
Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Yeah, a governor, We will get to you in a moment.
But Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?
Can you clarify?
Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Well, what Donald Trump has said.
Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't
being used for anything. They're not being used for National Park,
They're not being used, and they could be places where
we build a lot of housing. And I do think
that we should be opening up building in this country.
We have a lot of land that could be used.
We have a lot of Americans that need homes. We
should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for
those homes, and we should be building more homes for
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the American citizens who deserve to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
Senator, your time is a governor, I do want to
let you respond to the allegation that the Vice president
is letting in.
Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Of course true, and again you have that fact. I
guess we agreed, not fact check. I'll check it that. Look,
crossings are down compared to in Donald Trump left office.
But it's again blaming and not trying to find the solution.
I was going to ask on this question, are we
going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
And I think when people hear federal lands, these are
really important pieces of land. Now, Minnesota doesn't have a
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lot of federal lands. I know in the western part
of the countries we do. There's not a lot of
federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. So the
issue is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless
we see this. And I worry about this as someone
who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. Look, Minnesota,
we protect these things. We've got about twenty percent of
the world's fresh water these lands protect They're there for
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a reason.
Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
They belong to all of us.
Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
But again, this is when you view housing and you
view these things as commodities, there's a chance to make
money here. Let's take this federal land and let's sell
it to people for that. I think there's better ways
to do this. We've seen it in Minnesota. We're able
to refurbish some of these houses, We're able to make
some investments that gets people in. And I'm still on
the fact on this Economist Center bench you said you
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don't like the economists, which economists are saying that it
is immigrants, it's adding to the cost.
Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Governor, doctor, your time is up. But Senator, on that point,
I'd like for you to clarify there are many contributing
factors to high housing costs. What evidence do you have
that migrants are part of this problem.
Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to
share after the debate. We'll put it up on social media. Actually,
that really drills down on the connection between increased levels
of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices. Now,
of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher
housing prices. It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris. Look,
we are a country of builders. We're a country of doers.
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We're a country of explorers, but we increasingly have a
federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources,
makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw
people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala
Harris says.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
They have to do. And what that means is.
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
That you have a lot of people who would love
to build homes who aren't able to build homes. I
actually agree with Tim Walltz we should get out of
this idea of housing as a commodity. But the thing
that is most turn housing into a commodity is giving
it away to millions upon millions of people who have
no legal right to be here.
Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
What are the federal regulations? I deal with that as
a governor.
Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
You can very quickly reply I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily
disagree with that that in some cases many of those
are local, many of them are state.
Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I don't know which ones are federal.
Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
But I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they
can get rid of them. I think you want to
be able to get out of your house in a fire.
I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof
and those types of things. So which are the regulations
because the Vice President's not responsible for those Congress rights.
Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Those governor, thank you, gentlemen, we have a lot to
get through. You're passionate about the housing crisis. I can
tell Nora, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
One of the top problems facing Americans is the high
cost of healthcare, Senator Vance. At the last presidential debate,
former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.
In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.
Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill
Americans get health insurance. Can you explain how that would work?
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And can you guarantee that Americans with pre existing conditions
won't pay more? I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well, of course, we're going to cover americans with pre
existing conditions. In fact, a lot of my family members
have gotten healthcare. I believe you know, members of my
family actually got private health insurance at least for the
first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for
the first time under Donald Trump's leadership. And I think
that you know a lot of people have criticized this
concepts of a plan remark, it gets very simple common sense.
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I think it's Tim Wall's nose from twelve years in Congress.
You're not going to propose a nine hundred page bill
standing on a debate stage. It would bore everybody to tears,
and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this
is the give and take of partisan negotiation. Now, when
Donald Trump was actually president, and again he has a
record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in twenty
eighteen for the first time in a very long time.
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But er Kamala Harris's leadership, prescription drugs are up about
seven percent. Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were
up about one and a half percent. He introduced pricing transparency.
You think about healthcare, You go into a hospital, you
try to buy something, and nobody.
Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Knows what it actually costs.
Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little
bit more choice and will also drive down costs. And
we talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was
talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Look, Donald Trump has said that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
If we allow states to experiment a little bit on
how to cover both the chronically ill but the non
chronically ill, it's not just a plan. He actually implemented
some of these regulations when he was President of the
United States, and I think you can make a really
good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously
until Donald Trump came along. And I think it's an
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important point about President Trump. Of course, you don't have
to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said
or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the
weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald
Trump could have destroyed the program. Instead, he worked in
a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to
affordable care. It's not perfect, of course, and there's so
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much more that we can do. But I think that
Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place
some better health care policies. He's earned it because he
did it successfully the first time governor.
Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
All Right, here's where it. Being an old guy gives
you some history.
Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
I was there at the creation of the ACA, and
the reason it was so important is I come from
a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home
to Medical Alley, three, am Medtronic, all of those.
Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
We understand healthcare.
Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and
quality of healthcare. And so what I know is under
Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before.
And those of you listening, this is critical to you. Now,
Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back
and remember this.
Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
He ran on.
Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
The first thing he was going to do on day
one was to repeal Obamacare. On day one, he tried
to sign an executive.
Speaker 7 (01:11:15):
Order to repeal the ACA.
Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA,
but lost at the Supreme Court. And he would have
repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage
of John McCain to save that bill. Now fast forward,
what that means to you is you lose your pre
existing conditions. If you're setting it home and you got asthma,
too bad. If you're a woman, probably not broke your
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foot during football, might kick you out. Your kids get
kicked out when they're twenty six. Kamala heir negotiated drug
prices for the first time with Medicare. We have ten
drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll
be there. But look this issue, and when Donald Trump
said I got a concept of a plan, it cracked
me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids
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would have never given me that. But what Senator Vans
just explained might be worse than a concept because what
he explained is pre Obamacare. And I'll make this as
simple as possible because I have done this for a
long time. What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why
should you be paying more? So what they're going to
do is let insurance companies pick who they insured, because
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guess what happens. You pay your premium, it's not much.
They're figure they're not going to have to pay.
Speaker 7 (01:12:24):
Out to you. But those of you a little older, gray,
you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked out
of it. That's why the system didn't work.
Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.
Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Governor, thank you, Senator, you have not yet explained how
you would protect people with pre existing conditions or laid
out that plan.
Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in the
place in place right now that protect people.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
With pre existing conditions.
Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
We want to keep those regulations in place, but we
also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a
little bit better.
Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Now, what Governor Waltz just said is actually not true.
Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
A lot of what happened in the reason that Obama
Care was crushing under its own weight is that a
lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges.
Donald Trump actually helped address that problem, and he did
so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage
who had pre existing conditions. But again, something that these
guys do is they make a lot of claims about
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if Donald Trump's becomes president, all of these terrible consequences
are going to ensue. But in reality, Donald Trump was president,
inflation was low, tacom pay was higher, and he saved
the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing
and would have collapsed absent his leadership. He did his job,
which is governed in a bipartisan way and get results,
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not just complain about problems but actually solve them.
Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up
under the Trump administration?
Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
It's higher now that we've seen it go up. Look,
people are using it. The system works. And the question
about this of young people whatever, that's the individual mandate
piece of this. And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well,
Americans should be free to do this.
Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Well, then what happened. It's a good idea, I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
I think the idea of making sure the risk pool
is broad enough to cover everyone.
Speaker 7 (01:14:08):
That's the only way insurance works. When it doesn't, it collapses.
Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
You are asking pre ACA where we get people out. Look,
people know that they need to be on healthcare. People
expect it to be there and when we are able
to make it, and we are making it this way,
when we incentivize people to be in the market, when
we help people who might not be able to afford
it get there, and we make sure then when you
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get sick and old, it's there for you. Because I
heard people say, well I don't want to buy into Medicare. Whatever,
good luck buying healthcare once you get past seventy. So, look,
the ACA works, we can continue to do better. Kamala
Harris did that. The way she made everything better was
negotiating those ten drugs on Medicare for the first time
in American history.
Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Thank you, Margaret, can I work?
Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
I apologize. We're out of time at a number of
subjects to discuss.
Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Margaret, Let's talk about families in America. There is a
childcare crisis in this country and the United States is
one of the very few developed countries in the world
without a national paid leave program for new parents. Governor Walls,
you said that if Democrats win both the White House
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and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.
How long should employers be required to pay workers while
they are home taking care of their newborns. You have
two minutes?
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Yeah, well that's negotiable, and that's what Congress works. But
here's what the deal is Americans setting out there right now.
You may work for a big company. Look, we're home
in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune five hundred companies.
Kamala Harris knows that, and are in California. Those companies
provide paid family medically. One is I think they're moral
and they think it's a good thing. But it also
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keeps their employees healthy. We in Minnesota past a paid
family medically. You have a child. You and I had
to go back to work five days after my kids
were born. This allows you to stay home a certain
amount of time. What we know is that gets the
child off to a better start, The family works better,
we stay in their employers, We get more consistency in
that So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We
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implemented in Minnesota and we see growth. That's how you
become a pro business state. But the negotiations on it,
and here's the issue. Those big companies are able to
offer it those of you out there who don't have it.
Just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your
child gets sick. We know what happens. You end up
staying home. In some cases that means no paycheck because
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you've got no protection on that. This is the case
of an economy that Donald Trump has said for the
wealthiest amongst us. He's willing to give those tax breaks
to the wealthiest. He's willing to say, bust those unions up,
do whatever. What we're saying is the economy works best
when it works for all of us.
Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
And so a paid family medical lead program.
Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
And I will tell you go to the families or
go to the businesses and ask them. As far as
childcare on this, you have to take it at both
supply and the demand side.
Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
You can't expect the most important.
Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
People in our lives to take either our children or
our parents to get paid the least amount of money.
Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
And we have to make.
Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
It easier for folks to be able to get into
that business, and then to make sure that folks are
able to pay for that. We were able to do
it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this. We
were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis
on this. A federal program of paid family medical leave
and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families,
and make it easier to have the children.
Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
That you want.
Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Governor, your time is a Senator, do you support a
national paid leave program? And if so, for how long
should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they
are home taking care of their newborn? You have two minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican
colleagues and some Democrats who have worked on this issue,
and I think there is a bipartisan solution here because
a lot of us care about this issue. I mean, look,
I speak from this very personally because I'm married to
a beautiful woman who's an incredible mother to our three
beautiful kids, but as also a very very brilliant corporate litigator,
and I'm so proud of her. But being a working mom,
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even for somebody with all of the advantages of my
wife is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from
a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family
leave because she worked for a bigger company. But the
cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I
think makes it really hard for people to choose the
family model they want. A lot of young women would
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like to go back to work immediately, Some would like
to spend a little time home with the kids, some
would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
We should have a family care model that makes choice possible,
and I think this is a very important substance of
difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.
Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I mean, look, if you look at the.
Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Federal programs that we have that support paid family leave
right now, the Community Development block grant, and there's another
block grant program that spends a lot of.
Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Money from the federal government.
Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
These programs only go to one kind of childcare model.
Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you
out with childcare. Maybe you live in a rural area
or an urban area, and you'd like to get together
with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the
way that makes the most sense. You don't get access
to any of these federal moneies. We want to promote
choice and how we deliver family care and how we
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promote childcare, because look, it is unacceptable. And you know,
of course, sim and I have been on the campaign
trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks, and
one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families
is people who feel like they don't have options, like
they're choosing between going to work or taking care.
Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
For their kids.
Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That is an incredible burden to put on American families,
where the only country that does it.
Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
I think we could do a heck of a lot better.
Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Senator thank you. You have also said, Senator Vance, many
things about the American family. The Federal Reserve says parents
will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do
on housing each month. So I want to get your
thoughts on this. President Trump recently said, as much as
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childcare has talked about is being expensive, it's relatively speaking,
not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers will
be taking in. Is President Trump committed to the five
thousand dollars per child tax credit that you have described.
Give one minute.
Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to
defend my running mate here a little bit, is that
we're going to be taking in a lot of money
by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas, and penalizing countries
who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back
into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan. Cut
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taxes for American workers and American families, cut taxes for
businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United
States of America, but penalized companies and countries that are
shipping jobs overseas. That's the heart of the economic proposal.
And I think what President Trump is saying is that
when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth,
we're going to be able to provide paid family leave
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childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot
of American families.
Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?
Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Well, because, as Tim said, a lot of the childcare
shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into
the multiple people who could be providing family care options,
and we're going to have to Unfortunately, look, we're going
to have to spend more money. We're going to have
to induce more people to want to provide childcare options
for American families because the reason it's so expensive right
now is because you've got way too few people providing
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this very essential service.
Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
Thank you, Senator, Governor Walls. Your ticket also has some
childcare tax credit proposals. Do you think Congress will agree
to the six thousand dollars credit for newborns and three
thousand dollars credit for children over the age of six
as your campaign has promised. Is it realistic?
Speaker 6 (01:21:49):
Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody,
I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue.
Everybody listening tonight knows. I mean, I'm sure they were
shocked to hear it's not that expensive. And be clear,
whether it's five thousand or six thousand that pleads you
about three or four months. Let's be clear of where
we're at on this. It's because we got out of
an imbalance on this. We thought we were going to
get by by not paying people. I don't think center
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events are and I are that far apart. I'm not
a post what he's talking about on options. We've done
scholarship types of things. I think we need to be
open to making the case. But the issue here is
the question you asked, is you're not going to pay
for it with these tariffs. That's just adding another four
thousand on the family and taking less. So not only
do they not get the money to pay for that,
they're four thousand dollars in the hole. That's Wharton School,
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that's his alma mater. And so I think the issue
here is if those members of Congress, I can't believe
they're not it when I.
Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
Go to businesses.
Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
Sure they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead
with childcare and they will lead with housing because we
know the problems, especially in a state like Minnesota. We
need more workers because our economy is growing, but we
need the workforce.
Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Governor, thank you. We need to move on, Noura.
Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue
for Americans after the economy and inflation. After the twenty
twenty election, President Trump's campaign and others filed sixty two
lawsuits contesting the results. Judges, including those appointed by President
Trump and other Republican presidents looked at the evidence and
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said there was no widespread fraud. The governors of every
state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the twenty
twenty election results and sent a legal slate of electors
to Congress for January sixth. Senator Vance, you have said
you would not have certified the last presidential election and
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would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. That
has been called unconstitutional and illegal. Would you again seek
to challenge this year's election results, even if every governor
certifies the results. I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Well, Norah, First of all, I think that we're focused
on the future. We need to figure out how to
solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, housing affordable,
make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
But I want to.
Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Answer your question because you did ask it. Look, what
President Trump has said is that there were.
Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Problems in twenty twenty, and my own belief is that we.
Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in
the public square. And that's all I've said, and that's
all that Donald Trump has said. Remember, He said that
on January the sixth, the protesters ought to protest peacefully,
and on January the twentieth, what happened. Joe Biden became
the president, Donald Trump left the White House, and now,
of course, unfortunately we have all of the negative policies
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that have come from the Harris Biden administration. I believe
that we actually do have a threat to democracy in
this country. But unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy
that Kamala Harris and Tim Walltz want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
It is the threat of censorship.
Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.
It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens. And it's
Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her
fellow low Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage
in misinformation. I think that is a much bigger threat
to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country
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in the last four years, in the last forty years.
Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by
two lifelong blue collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of
Bobby Kennedy Junior and Tulsea Gabbard lifelong leaders in the
Democratic Coalition. Of course, they don't agree with me and
Donald Trump on every issue. We don't have to agree
on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American
First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences,
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we had to argue about them, we ought to try
to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in
censorship at.
Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
An industrial scale.
Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
She did it during COVID, She's done it over a
number of other issues, and that, to me, is a
much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said
when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January
the sixth.
Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
Governor, Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there
was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to
miss speaking on things I think I might have with
the Senator. But he Mayer's one. There's one though, that
this one is troubling to me. And I say that
because I think we need to tell the story. Donald
Trump refused to acknowledge this, And the fact is is
that I don't think we can be the frog in
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the pot and let the boiling water go up. He
was very clear, I mean he lost this election, and
he said he didn't. One hundred and forty police officers
were beaten at the capitol that day, some with the
American flag.
Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
Several later died. And it wasn't just in there.
Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds
in Saint Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's
residence and there may be casualties. The only person there
was my son and his dog, who was rushed out
crying by state police that issue, and Mike Pence standing
there as they were chanting, Hang Mike Pence.
Speaker 7 (01:26:46):
Mike Pence made the right decision. So Senator, it was
adjudicated over and over and over. I worked with kids
long enough to know, and I said, as a football coach,
sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is
bigger than winning an election hands and then you try
and do everything you can to help the other side win.
That's what was at stake here. Now.
Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
The thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that
imprisoning your political opponents already laying the groundwork for people
not accepting this. And a president's words matter. A president's
words matter, people hear that. So I think this issue
of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands
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when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny
what happened on January sixth, the first time in American
history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a
fair election and the peaceful transfer of power. And here
we are four years later in the same boat. I
will tell you this that when this is over, we
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need to shake hands this election and the winner needs
to be the winner.
Speaker 7 (01:27:54):
This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart.
Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Margaret Center advance, did you want to respond that, yeah, Well, look, Tim,
first of all, it's really rich for.
Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique
threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on
January the twentieth, as we have done for two hundred
and fifty years in this country. We are going to
shake hands after this debate and after this election, And
of course I hope that we win, and I think
we're going to win. But if Tim Wats is the
next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my
best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it,
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But we have to remember that for years in this country,
Democrats protest to the results of elections. Hillary Clinton in
twenty sixteen said that Donald Trump had the election stolen
by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like five hundred
thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads. This has been going
on for a long time. And if we want to
say that we need to respect the results of the election,
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I'm on board. But if we want to say, as
Tim Waalts is saying, that this is just a problem
that Republicans have had, I don't buy.
Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
That January sixth was not Facebook ad, and I think
of revisionist history on this look. I don't understand how
we got to this point, but the issue was that happened.
Donald Trump can do it, and all of us say
there's no place for this. It has massive repercussions. This
idea that their censorship to stop people from doing threatening
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to kill someone, threatening to do something that's not censorship.
Censorship is book banning. We've seen that, we've seen that
brought up. I just think for everyone tonight, and I'm
going to thank Senator Vans, I think this is the
conversation they want to hear, and I think there's a
lot of agreement. This is one that we are miles
apart on. This was a threat to our democracy in
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a way that we had not seen, and it manifested
itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say he is
still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just
ask to that, did he lose the twenty twenty election?
Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Tim? I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It's a damning non answer for you to not talk
about censorship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there
were problems in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
We've talked about it. I'm happy to talk about it further.
Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy,
the most sacred right under the United States, Democracy is
the first Amendment. You yourself have said, there's no First
Amendment right to misinformation. Kamala Harris wants to thread how
to be government and big tech to silence people from
speaking their minds. That is the threat to democracy that
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will long outlive this present political moment. I would like
Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. Let's persuade one another,
Let's argue about ideas, and then let's come together afterwards.
Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
You can't yell fire in a crowded theaters. That's the test.
That's the Supreme Court tsk tim fire.
Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
In a crowded theater.
Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for
saying that Toddler shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Fire in a crowded theater.
Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is
the right of every American center.
Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
The governor does have the floor for one minute to
respond to you.
Speaker 7 (01:31:04):
Yeah, well, I don't run Facebook.
Speaker 6 (01:31:06):
What I do know is is I see a candidate
out there who refused and now again and this.
Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
I'm pretty shocked by this. He lost the election.
Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
This is not a debate, It's not anything anywhere other
than in Donald Trump's world. Because look when Mike Pence
made that decision to certify that election. That's why Mike
Pence isn't on this stage. What I'm concerned about is
where is the firewall with Donald Trump? Where is the
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firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking
an election and his vice president's not going to stand
to it. That's what we're asking you, America. Will you
stand up? Will you keep your oath of office even
if the president doesn't. And I think Kamala Harris would agree.
She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I
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would do that, because of course that's what we would do. Erica,
I think you've got a really clear choice on this
election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's
going to honor Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Governor, your time is up, Thank you, gentlemen. We will
be right back with both of our candidates. The CBS
News Vice Presidential Debate continues.
Speaker 8 (01:32:18):
You're listening to the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate on
KFI AM six forty. We'll have the candidates closing arguments
on the other side of this break.
Speaker 9 (01:32:26):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 8 (01:32:32):
Let's get to the closing statements from Minnesota Governor Tim
Wallas and Ohio Senators jd Vance.
Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
CBS News, and most importantly, thank you to all of
you if you're still up and the folks who miss
dancing with our stars. I appreciate it, but look, the
support of the democracy matters. It matters that you're here.
And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that
Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney
to Taylor Swift and a whole bunch of folks in
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between there. And they don't all agree on everything, but
they are truly optimistic people. They believe in a positive
future of this country and one where our politics can
be better than it is. And I have to tell
you that better than it is is the sense of
optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works
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for everyone, not just to get by, but to get ahead.
And the idea that freedom really means something, not the
freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room,
but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.
Speaker 7 (01:33:30):
Now, look, we all know who Donald Trump is.
Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
He's told us, and as Maya Angelos said, believe him
when he told you that his first inaugural dress talked
about American carnage, and then he sport spent four years
trying to maybe do that. Senator Vance tonight made it
clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda, he will
continue to push down that road.
Speaker 7 (01:33:52):
Excuse me, Kamala Harris gives us a different option. Now,
I'll have to.
Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
Tell you I'm going to be careful about the quotes,
but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate
with me. He said, Donald Trump makes the people I
care about afraid. A lot of America feels that way.
We don't need to be afraid. Franklin Roosevelt was right.
Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Alls.
Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
We have to fear is fear itself. Kamala Harris is
bringing us a new way forward. She's bringing us up
politics of joy, She's bringing real solutions for the middle class,
and she's centering you at the heart of that, all
the while asking everyone join this movement, make your voices heard.
Let's look for a new day where everybody gets that
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opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. I humbly
ask for your vote on November fifth for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
Governor Walls, thank you, Senator Vance. Your closing statement, well,
I want.
Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
To thank Governor Waltz, you folks at CBS, and of
course the American people for tuning in this evening and
one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.
And I remember when I was being raised by my
grandmother when she didn't have enough money to turn on
the heat some nights, because Ohio gets pretty cold at night,
and because money was often very tight. And I believe,
as a person who wants to be your next vice president,
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that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where
every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be
able to turn on their heat.
Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
In the middle of a cold winter night.
Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
I believe that, whether you're rich or poor, you ought
to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. I believe that,
whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able
to afford to buy a house. You ought to be
able to live in safe neighborhoods. You ought to not
have your communities flooded with fentanyl, and that too, has
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gotten harder with because of Kamala Harris's policies. Now, I've
been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris
does when she stands before the American people and says
that on day one she's going to work on all
these challenges I just listed.
Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Day one was fourteen hundred days ago, and her policies
have made these problems worse.
Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Now. I believe that we have the most beautiful country
in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford
food but have the grace and generosity to ask me
how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for
my family. What that has taught me is that we
have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most
incredible people anywhere in the world. But they're not going
to be able to achieve their full dreams with the
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broken leadership that we have in Washington. They're not going
to be able to live their American dream if we
do the same thing that we've been doing for the
last three and a half years.
Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
We need change, We need a new direction. We need a.
Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
President who has already done this once before and did
it well. Please vote for Donald Trump, And whether you
vote for me or vote for Tim Wallace, I just
want to say I'm so proud to be doing this
and I'm written for you, God bless you, and good night.
Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
Center Vance, thank you and thank you both for participating
in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle.
I'm Margaret Brennan and.
Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
I'm Nora o'donnelld And a reminder, there are just thirty
five days until election day. Please out and vote, and
for all of us here at CBS News, thank you
and good night.
Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
K I am six forty years later with mo Kelly
as we take over and pick up our coverage of
that vice presidential debate and arguably most likely it's the last,
i'll say debate between the candidacies, either presidential or vice presidential.
And here's just some thoughts I had off the top.
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That debate was surprisingly tame and dare I say normal,
I mean normal in you know what we used to
think of normal normal in a pre twenty sixteen cents.
It wasn't full of name calling, wasn't full of insults.
They weren't like mocking glayers and ridiculous quips about immigrants
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eating cats and dogs. It was none of that. It
was virtually no snark. They acknowledged when they agreed with
each other, they highlighted how they disagreed with the each other.
It was respectful. Hell, it was damn near downright civil.
Didn't see that coming. It was actually, for me, reminiscent
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of the competition or marketplace of ideas of yesteryear. Now,
don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean that we have
now gone back to that. I'm saying this debate on
this evening seem like we went back to that time
for an hour and a half. But here's something else.
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Did it change anybody's mind? Think about that for a moment.
Did it change your mind? No, and I don't think
it changed anybody's mind. I'm not going to lie to you,
and I don't want you to lie to me because
I don't believe in the existence of this supposed undecided voter.
We got what thirty six days until the election? Come on, now,
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anyone really undecided? I mean, I don't believe in that
person actually existing. I mean, I believe in UFOs, I
believe in ghosts, I believe in Santa Claus send it
to the theory, yep, still do. But I don't believe
in the undecided voter. Because the undecided voter has actually decided.
They just don't want to say publicly that they've decided.
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Maybe they're ashamed of who they're actually going to vote for,
and they're going to hide it and then lie after
they come out of the voting booth. I don't know,
but I don't believe that they're sitting on some imaginary
fence where the wind could blow that voter one side
or to the other side, and tonight could have been
that wind which will blown them to one side or
the other. No, let's not kid ourselves, but I was
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taking copious notes of the expansive topics that they managed
to cover, and if there's anything positive which can be
said about the debate itself, and I'm not going to
get too bogged down in the policy ideas because there's
only so deep you can go, and the fact check
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is going to be tomorrow, and none of y'all care
about the fact check, So it's about presentation and style
for the most part. But here are the topics that
they did manage to cover. They talked about the Iran
strike today and how that relates to Middle East foreign policy,
because let's not forget these vice presidential candidates presumably presumably
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could become president in any given circumstance. Hurricane Helene talked
about that with respect to climate change and energy production.
There was the fentanyl crisis, which was i'll say dovetailed
into immigration reform, and I think that was Senator Vance's
strongest moment on the night. I'll come back to that
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as far as his overall performance. They got into inflation
with respect to the larger economics picture. Of course, there
was the Roe v. Wade overturned during the Trump administration
and what that means for reproductive rights legislation in the
next presidential administration, whether it be Kamala Harris or Donald Trump.
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They even got into the parents of the school shooter
convicted of involuntary manslaughter and used that as a jumping
off point for gun control slash gun rights. And it
was very tame. It was very respectful that they didn't
get into the hyperbole that we were accustomed to seeing
and hearing. They also got into use of federal land
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and how that might be used in the future. Of course,
they hit the normal stuff. When I say the normal stuff,
the stuff that you always hear about, like healthcare, and
they got into the concepts of the plan that Donald
Trump had talked talked about in the presidential debate, and
I noticed that Jade Vance didn't really answer that particular question,
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but he was very adept at how he didn't answer
that question paid leave families in America the child tax credit,
and that also referred back to a previous answer that
Donald Trump had made about the child tax credit or
the cost of childcare more broadly. Now, I believe Tim
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Walls's strongest moment was near the end where they were
talking about the fighting the twenty twenty election results. Again,
if you saw this debate, it looked very different from
if you just heard the debate. If you saw the debate,
I think you saw visually a very disciplined and practiced
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and I mean this in a complimentary sense. Disciplined and
practiced jd Vance looking at the camera talking to America,
very composed, very reason and the pacing of his answers
you could tell that he is a very skilled debater.
Say what you want about the content of his answers,
but he was very skilled in his oral presentation. And
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I thought for the better part of the night, Tim
Walls was not as smooth, but he's never been a
smooth talker in that regard. So it comes down to
styles and preferences. But the one time I thought Tim
Walls did come alive and the visuals helped him was
in the near the end where they were talking about
fighting the twenty twenty election results, and Tim Walls, I
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think was off the slogans off off. I'll say the
teleprompter answers in the sense of the practicing, because all
of these answers are prefabricated for the most part, and
was just talking and responding, and I think that answer
from him resonated more than his other answers. But let's
draw back in a few minutes before we go to
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break the whole idea of a vice presidential debate and
its importance or lack thereof. Let's look back in history,
because I was thinking about this during the debate. Did
Sarah Palin swing the election for Barack Obama? She had
an impact. I don't know how much. I tend to
think that Barack Obama's candidacy and the coalition that he
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built and the enthusiasm meant more than Sarah Palin. I mean,
she mattered, but I don't know how much. Did Joe
Biden win that election in two thousand and eight for
Barack Obama?
Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
No No.
Speaker 8 (01:44:24):
Did Paul Ryan lose it for Mitt Romney in twenty twelve?
Probably not. Did Joe Biden again win it for Obama
in twenty twelve?
Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:44:36):
Did Tim Kaine lose the election for Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:44:41):
Pretty sure Hillary lost that all by herself. Or did
Mike Pince become the reason that Donald Trump won in
twenty sixteen. I don't think anyone would would say that, right.
I mean, he was just there And I was talking
about this with t Wallas, Like, the vice presidential candidate,
especially in a debate, is just do no harm, don't
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do anything which could torpedo the candidacy or the person
at the top of the ticket. And we may remember
bits and pieces of the vice presidential debate, but I
don't know, other than maybe Lloyd Benson and his quip
you know you're no Jack Kennedy, I don't know of
any real major vice president presidential excuse me, vice presidential
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debate moments which mattered when it came down to presidential politics.
I mean, even more recently, was Vice President Pence the
negative weight which threw the election to Joe Biden. Did
Kamala Harris win it for Joe Biden back in twenty twenty.
I don't think so, because people were much more concerned
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with Donald Trump, either voting for him or voting against him.
Because just from my personal review thinking about this the
past hour and a half, in every previous instance, I
would argue, I would say the VP probably did not
swing any election. And I don't think in this instance
either JD. Vans or Tim Wallas will be the difference maker.
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People are voting for or against Donald Trump. People are
voting four or against Kamala Harris. And I'm not disregarding
the news cycle importance of certain topics and remarks such
as Haitian immigrants, immigrants eating cats and dogs. I'm not
disregarding that. I'm saying that's not gonna be the election decider.
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It's gonna be Donald Trump, or it's gonna be Kamala Harris.
As far as the motivating force behind people's votes, yes,
the VP is the proverbial heart beat away. But this election,
this is I would say, this is twenty twenty part two,
where if you didn't like Donald Trump in twenty twenty,
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you damn sure're not gonna like him in twenty twenty four,
and you're gonna vote accordingly, and if you love Donald
Trump twenty twenty, you damn sure most likely going to
vote for him in twenty twenty four. How that's going
to play out on election Day is anybody's guests. But
I'm inclined to believe that it won't be about Tim
Walls and it won't be about JD. Vance. And always
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I'm always asked who won the debate? Who won the debate?
And I hate giving the same answer, but the same
answer is applicable every single time. It's relative to who
gains after the debate, and tomorrow we'll know who got
the bump in polling, Well there's probably your winner. Who
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got the fundraising bump, Well there's probably your winner. And
I was yeah, I was talking to Toualla. We were
going back and forth during the debate. There wasn't a
lot of material in this debate for SNL to work with.
Unlike this last Saturday they had all sorts of material.
This one there wasn't a lot, And for me that's good.
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That meant that we were kind of getting some sense
of normality with these debates. There won't be a lot
of juicy YouTube clips. But the good news is a
policy debate is usually pretty boring. They're not meant to
be television spectaculars. It's only in recent years that we've
come to think of them as that because politics has
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turned into a blood sport. Politics has turned into something
which is more theatrical and less about actual policy. But stylistically,
I think jd. Vance did very well, very well as
far as how he comported himself, how he gave a
reasoned and measured argument to what he was trying to
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portray as the Republican message. The fact checkers will probably
find a lot of things wrong with what he said,
and it's not for me to say. I'm just telling
you there are some things that were really problematic in
what he said, But most people are not looking for
the specifics, they're looking for the style in a debate.
Watching it, Tim Walls, he doesn't come across well or
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as well as I think people would hope on TV.
His facial expressions, some of his mannerisms and idio secrecies
don't do well in a debate like this, and you'll
probably hear about that as far as the analysis or
whatever is going on in the spin room. But that's
what I think about today's VP debate. Tomorrow you'll see
wherever it gets the better end of the polling and
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also the fundraising, Well, there will be your winner. It's
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Let's listen to the CBS debate.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Here we goes it end Joe Debate, CBS Debate.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Good evening. I'm Nora O'Donnell, and thank you for joining
us for tonight's CBS News Vice presidential debate. We want
to welcome our viewers on CBS on other networks here
in the US and around the world. We have a
consequential night ahead, and our focus is the issues that
matter to you, the voter. Let's introduce the candidates. Minnesota
is Democratic Governor Tim Walls and Ohio's Republican Senator jd
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Vance tonight meeting for the first time.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I'm Margaret Brennan. In order to have a thoughtful and
civil debate. These are the rules that both campaigns have
agreed to. Questions will be directed at one candidate, who
will have two minutes to respond. The other candidate will
be allowed two minutes for rebuttal. Then each candidate will
get another minute to make further points, with an additional
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one minute each at the discretion of the moderator. The
primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate
between the candidates, enforce the rules, and provide the candidates
with the opportunity to fact check claims made.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By each other.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidate's microphones
to maintain decorum. We have not shared the questions or
topics with the campaigns. The stage is set, Governor, Senator,
thank you for joining us. Let's get started tonight. Our
country is facing several unfolding crises. The Middle East is
on the brink of war. Americans are suffering from the
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catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene, and now a labor strikes.
Twenty five thousand DOC workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.
We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Margaret, thank you, Nora. Earlier today, iron launched its largest
attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to
join US and Israeli defensive action. President Biden has deployed
more than forty thousand US military personnel and assets to
that region over the past year to try to prevent
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a regional war. Iran is weakened, but the US still
considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism. In the world,
and it has drastically reduced the time it would take
to develop a nuclear weapon. It is down now to
one or two weeks time. Governor Walls, if you are
the final voice in the situation room, would you support
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or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You
have two minutes.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, thank you, and thank you for those joining at
home tonight. Let's keep in mind where this started. October seventh,
Homas terrorists massacred over fourteen hundred Israelis and took prisoners Iran.
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself as absolutely fundamental,
getting its hostages back fundamental, and ending the humanitarian crisis
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in Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies
is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to
have the steady leadership there you saw it experience today
where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able
to stop the incoming attack. But what's fundamental here is
that steady leadership is going to matter. It's clear and
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the world sought on that debate stage a few weeks ago,
a nearly eighty year old Donald Trump talking about crowd
sizes is not what we need in this moment.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
But it's not just that.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand
how dangerous he is. When the world is this dangerous,
His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was
the most flawed human being you'd ever met, and both
of his secretaries of defense and his national security advisors
said he should be nowhere near the White House now.
The person closest to them to the Donald Trump said
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he's unfit for the highest office.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
That was Senator of Vance.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've
seen steady leadership. We've seen a calmnist that is able
to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring
them together, understanding that our allies matter. When our allies
see Donald Trump turned towards Vladimir Putin turned towards North Korea,
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when we start to see that type of fickleness around
holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed. And as
the Vice President said today is we will protect our
forces and our allied forces, and there will be consequences.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Governor, your time is Senator Vance. The same question, would
you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You have two minutes, so Margot, I want to answer
the question. First of all, thanks Governor, thanks to CBS
for hosting the debate, and thanks, most importantly the American
people who are watching this evening and caring enough about
this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
I want to answer the question, but I want to
actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because
I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either
one of us are. I was raised in a working
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class family. My mother acquired food assistants for periods of
her life. My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me,
and she raised me in part because my own mother
struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
I went to college on the GI bill. After I
enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq. And
so I stand here asking to be your vice president
with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream
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that made it possible for me to live my dreams.
And most importantly, I know that a lot of you
are worried about the chaos in the world and the
feeling that the American dream is unattainable. I want to
try to convince you tonight, over the next ninety minutes
that if we get better leadership in the White House,
if we get Donald Trump back in the White House,
the American dream is going to be attainable once again. Now,
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to answer this particular question, we have to remember that
as much as Governor Waltz just accused Donald Trump of
being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability
in the world, and he did it by establishing effective
deterrence people were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran,
which launched this attack, has received over one hundred billion
dollars in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
What do they use that money for?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching
against our allies, and god forbid, potentially launching against the
United States as well. Donald Trump recognized that for people
to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
They needed to recognize that if they got out of line,
the United States global leadership would put stability and peace
back in the world. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret,
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and I want to answer the question. Look, it is
up to Israel what they think they need to do
to keep their country safe, and we should support our
allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
I think that's the right approach to take with the
Israel question.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Thank you, Senator, Governor Walls. Do you care to respond
to any of the allegations, Well.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Look, donald Trump was in office.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
We'll sometimes or revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was
in office, it was Donald Trump who We had a
coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in
the inability to advance it. Donald Trump pulled that program
and put nothing else in its place. So Iran is
closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because
of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. And when Iran shot down
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an American aircraft in international airspace, donald Trump tweeted because
that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. And when Iranian
missiles did fall near US troops and they received traumatic
brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches. Look,
our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. He will
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go to whoever has the most flattery or where it
makes sense to him. Steady leadership like you witnessed today,
like you witnessed in April, both Iranian attacks were repelled.
Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership
that Kamala Harris is providing.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Jenor Vance. The US did have a diplomatic deal with
Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program, and
President Trump did exit that deal. He recently said just
five days ago, the US must now make a diplomatic
deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible. Did he
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make a mistake? You have one minute.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word.
But I think that's something that Governor Waltz just said
is quite extraordinary. You yourself just said Iran is as
close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.
And Governor walts, you blame Donald Trump, who has been
the vice president for the last three and a half years,
And the answer is you're.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Running mate, not mine.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure. Now we
talk about what the sequence of events that led us
to where we are right now, and you can't ignore
October the seventh, which I appreciate Governor Waltz bringing up.
But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel.
It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So Governor Waltz can criticize.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through
strength is how you bring stability back to a very
broken world. Donald Trump has already done it once before.
Ask yourself at home, when was the last time I'm
forty years old, when was the last time that an
American president didn't have a major conflict breakout? The only
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answer is during the four years that Donald Trump's president.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. Noura, Margaret,
thank you. Let's turn out to Hurricane Helene. The storm
could become one of the deadliest on record. More than
one hundred and sixty people are dead and hundreds more
are missing. Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger,
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and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator Vance,
according to CBS News polling, seven to ten Americans and
more than sixty percent of Republicans under the age of
forty five favor the us TA making steps to try
and reduce climate change. Senator, what responsibility would the Trump
administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change.
(10:10):
I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sure, So first of all, let's start with the hurricane,
because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. I just saw
today actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof
with a six year old child, and it was the
last photograph ever taken to them because the roof collapsed
and those innocent people lost their lives. And I'm sure
Governor Waltz joins me and saying, our hearts go out
to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them,
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and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal
response as we can get to save as many lives
as possible, and then of course afterwards to help the
people in those communities rebuild. I mean, these are communities
that I love, some of them I know very personally,
and Appalachia, all across the southeast.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
They need their government to do their job.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again,
the government will put the citizens of this country first
when they suffer from a disaster. And or are you
asked about climate change? I think this is a.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Very important issue.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all
these crazy weather patterns.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think it's important for us, first.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air,
clean water. We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
But one of the things that I've noticed some of
our Democratic friends talking a lot about is a concern
about carbon emissions. This idea that carbon emissions drives all
of the climate change. Well, let's just say that's true,
just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing
about weird science.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Let's just say that's true. Well, if you believe that,
what would you want to do.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much
American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as
much energy as possible in the United States of America
because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. What
have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to more energy production
in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business than some
of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. And when
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I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions
they're doing per unit.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Of economic output.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and
cleaner water. The best thing to do is to double
down and invest in American workers and the American people.
And unfortunately Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Governor Walls, you have two minutes to respond, Well, we got.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Close to an agreement because all those things are happening. Look,
first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane,
and my heart goes out to the folks that are
down there in contact with the governors. I serve as
co chair of the Council of Governors as we work
together on these emergency managements. Governors know no partisanship. They
work together to so all of the governors and the
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emergency responders are on the ground those happen on the
front end. The federal government comes in make sure they're
there too, that we recover. But we're still in that
phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there,
staying focused. Now, look, coming back to the climate change
is there's no doubt this thing brought onto the scene
faster and stronger than anything we've seen. Center Vance has
said that there's a climate problem. In the past, Donald
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Trump called it a hoax, and then joke that these
things would make more beachfront property to be able to
invest in. What we've seen of the Harris administration now
the Bidenariess administration, is we've seen this investment. We've seen
massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen
in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across
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the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio. Taking the ev
technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred
thousand jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant
in North America sets in Minnesota. But my farmers, no,
climate change is real. They've seen five hundred year droughts,
five hundred year floods back to back.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
But what they're doing is adapting.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
And this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest,
korn harves, soybean harvest wind. We are producing more natural
gas and more oil at any time than we ever had.
We're also producing more clean energy. So the solution for
us is to continue to move forward. That climate change
is real. Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
This is not a false choice.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
You can do that at the same time you're creating
the jobs that we're seeing all across the country.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
That's exactly what this administration has done.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future,
not just the current. And that's what absolutely makes sense,
and then we start thinking about how do we mitigate
these disasters.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Thank you, Senator, I want to give you an opportunity
to respond. There, the governor mentioned that President Trump has
called climate change a hoax. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, look, what the President has said is that if
the Democrats, and the particular Kamala Harris and her leadership,
if they really believe that climate change is serious, what
they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy
production in the United States of America.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And that's not what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric
on this. If she did, she would actually agree with
Donald Trump's energy policies. Now, something Governor Wall said is
important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy,
I think that's the slogan that often the Democrats will use. Here,
I'm talking a course about the Democratic leadership, and the
real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions
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or even billion of dollars of American tax payer money
on solar panels that are made in China. Number One,
you're going to make the economy dirtier. We should be
making more of those solar panels here in the United
States of America. Some of them are attend but a
lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially
the components that go into those solar panels.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So if you really.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest
in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility
I think one in the past forty years.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Natural gas we got to invest more in it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Kamala Harris has done the opposite, that's raised energy prices
and also meant that we're doing Time is up.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Governor.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Would you like to respond, well, look, we're producing more
natural gas.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
There's no moratorium on that. We're producing more oil.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
But the folks know and like I said again, these
are not liberal folks. These are not folks that are
green New deal folks. These are farmers that have been
drought one year, massive flooding the next year.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
They understand that it makes sense.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Look, our number one export cannot be top soil from
erosion from these massive storms we saw it this summer
and thinking about how do we respond to that. We're
thinking ahead on this and what Kamala Harris has been
able to do in Minnesota. We're starting to weather proof
some of these things. The infrastructure law that was passed
allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How
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do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our
power lines. How do we make sure that we're protecting
lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of.
But to call it a hoax and to take the
oil company executives tomorrow Lago say give me money for
my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.
We can be smarter about that, and an all above
energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs
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right here.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Governor, your time is up. The overwhelming consensus among scientists
is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Margaret, thank you, Noah. We're going to turn now to immigration.
The crisis at the US Mexico border consistently ranks as
one of the top issue for American voters. Senator Vance,
your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest deportation
plan in American history, and to use the US military
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to do so. Could you be more specific about exactly
how this will work. For example, would you deport parents
who have entered the US illegally and separate them from
any of their children who were born on US soil.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You have two minutes, So first of all, Margaret, before
we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.
We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started
and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald
Trump's border policies, ninety four executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing
illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Exists in our system.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That has opened the floodgates, and what it's meant is
that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.
I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And has gotten clean.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to
be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris led
in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've
got to stop the bleeding. You've got to re implement
Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, reimplement deportations, and
that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Do we actually do.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So we've got twenty twenty five million legal aliens who
are here in the country, what do.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
We do with them?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think the first thing that we do is we
start with the criminal migrants. About a million of those
people have committed some form of crime in addition to
crossing the border illegally. I think you start with deportations
on those folks, and then I think you make it
harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers.
A lot of people will go home if they can't
work for less than minimum wage in our own country.
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And by the way, that'll be really good for our
workers who just want to earn a fair wage for
doing a good day's work. And the final point, Margaret,
is you ask about family separation. Right now in this
country market we have three hundred and twenty thousand children
that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. Some
of them have been sex trafficked, some of them hopefully
are at homes with their families.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately
Kamala Harris's wide open southern border. And I'd ask my
fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she
said she was going to do this. Real leadership would
be saying, you know what, I screwed up. We're going
to go back to Donald Trump's border policies.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I wish that she would do that. It would be
good for all of us.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Governor, do you care to respond to any of those
specific allegations, including that the vice president is quote letting
in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Guarding children the drug mules not true?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
But I will say about this about the funeral, because
this is a crisis. Of this the opioid crisis, and
the good news on this is is the last twelve
months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our
nation's history, thirty percent decrease in Ohio.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
But there's still more work to do.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
But let's go back to this on immigration, Kamala Harris
was the attorney general of the largest state in a
border state, in California.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
She's the only person in this.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
But look, we all want to solve this. Most of
us want to solve.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
This, and that is the United States Congress, that's the
Border patrol agents, that's the Chamber of Commerce, that's most
Americans out here. That's why we had the fairest and
the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen. It
was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Langford.
I know it means super conservative, but he's a man
of principle. Once you get it done. Democrats and Republicans
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worked on this piece of legislation. The border patrols said
this is what we need in here. These are the experts,
and the Chamber of Commerce, and the Wall Street Journal
said pass this thing. Kamala Harris helped get there fifteen
hundred new border agents, detection for drugs, DOJ money to
speed up the adjudications on this just what America wants.
But as soon as I was getting ready to pass
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and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no, told them
to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
It gives him. What would Donald.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things,
and they need to be done by the legislature. You
can't just do this through the executive branch. So look,
we have the options to do this. Donald Trump had
four years. He had four years to do this, and
he promised you, America, how.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Easy it would be. I'll build you a big, beautiful
wall and Mexico will pay for it.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Less than two percent of that wall got built, and
Mexico didn't pay a dime. But here we are again,
nine years after he came down that escalator, dehumanizing people
and telling him what he was going to do.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
As far as a deportation plan.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
At one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable
to be laughable.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
So that's where we're at. Past the bill, she'll sign it.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Govern of your time is a senator. The question was,
will you separate parents from their children even if their
kids are US citizens? You have one minute, Margaret.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
My point is that we already have massive child separations
thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. And I didn't accuse
Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules. I said that she
enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country,
and we know that they use children as drug mules,
and it is a disgrace and it has to stop. Look,
I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
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For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she
was going to undo Donald Trump's border policies.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
She did exactly that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We had a record number of illegal crossings, we had
a record number of fentanyl coming into our country. And
now now that she's running for president, or a few
months before, she says that somehow she got religion and
cared a lot about a piece of legislation. The only
thing that she did when she became the vice president,
when she became the appointed borderz aar was to undo
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ninety four Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
This problem is leading to massive problems in the.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
United States of America.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed. It's
got to stop, and at will, when Donald Trump is president.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
At under your time is up, Governor? What about our
CBS News polling which does show that a majority of Americans,
more than fifty percent, support mass deportations.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Look, we fix this issue with a bill that is necessary.
But the issue on this is this is what happens
when you don't want to solve it, you demonize it,
and we saw this and Senator Vans and it surprises
me on this talking about and saying I will create
stories to bring attention to this that vilified a large
number of people who were here legally in the community
of Springfield. The Republican governor said, it's not true. Don't
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do it. There's consequences for this. We could come together,
Senator Langford did it. We could come together and solve
this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make
it an issue. And the consequences in Springfield were the
governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergarteners
to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this,
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but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together
to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. And
when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize
and villainize other human beings.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Tim Governor, your time is up center. I'll give you
one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.
The governor has made the point, and I think as
a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse
strings any funding. So you have said repeatedly that Donald
Trump would through executive action solve this. Do you disagree
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that Congress controls the per strings and would need to
support many of the changes that you would actually want
to implement. You have one minute, Margaret.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
First of all, the gross majority of what we need
to do at the southern border is just empowering law
enforcement to do their job.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Kamala Harris has been, and it's actually heartbreaking because the
border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to
do their job. Of course, additional resources would help, but
most of this is about the president and the vice
president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try
to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay
in Mexico. You've got to go back through proper channels.
Nonor Waltz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's
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very worried about the things that I've said.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
In Springfield.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Look in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country.
You've got schools that are overwhelmed, You've got hospitals that
are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable.
Because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete
with Americans for scarce homes. The people that I'm most
worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who
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have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
It is a disgraced him, and I actually think I
agree with you. I think you want to solve this problem,
but I don't think that Kamala Harris does.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Center. Your time is up, Governor. You have one minute
to respond.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Well, it is law enforcement that asked for the bill,
they helped craft it, they're the ones that supported it.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
It was that's because they know we need to do this.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Look this issue of continuing to bring this up, of
not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
On housing, we could.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Talk a little bit about wallstreechculators buying up housing and
making them blessed affordable, but it becomes a blame. Look,
this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. I
agree it should not take seven years for an asylum
claim to be done.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
This bill gets it done in ninety days. Then you
start to make a difference in this and you start
to adhere to what we know American principles. I don't
talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew twenty five p.
Forty talks about to the least amongst us, you do
unto me. I think that's true of most Americans. They
simply want order to it.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
This bill does it, it's funded, it's supported by the
people who do it, and it lets us keep our
dignity about how we treat other people.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield,
Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who
have legal status temporary protected more. Thank you, Senator. We
have so much to get to Marga.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I think it's important we're going to turn out of
the economy.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Thanks Margaret.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The rules were that you got to get a fact check,
and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
to say what's actually going on. So there's an application
called the CBP one app where you can go on
as an illegal migrant.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Apply for asylum or apply.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
For parole and be granted legal status at the wave
of a Kamala Harris open border Wand that is not
a person coming in applying for a green cart and
waiting for ten years.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Thanks you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Senator crotation of a legal immigration Margaret Bye.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Thank you senator for describing the legal process. You have
so much ticket to the senator so much.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
The book since nineteen ninety.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
We want to have that app has not been on
the books.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's something to.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Gentlemen. The audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
We have so much we want to get to. Thank
you for explaining the legal process, Nora.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Thank you, Margaret. The economy is a top concern for voters.
Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so
let's talk about the specifics. Vice President Harrison veiled a
plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing,
and a renewed child tax credit. The Wharton School says
your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by one point
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two trillion dollars. How would you pay for that without
ballooning the deficit? Governor will give you two minutes.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Yeah, thank you, and Kamala Harrison. I do believe in
the middle class because that's where we come from. We
both grew up in that. We understand. So those of
you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of
stuff back and forth, and it's good, it's healthy. That's
what this was supposed to happen. You should be listening.
How's this going to impact me? The Bold Forward plan
that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking
about this housing issue. The one thing is there's three
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million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment
assistance on the front end. It gets you in a house.
A house is much more than just an asset to
be traded somewhere. It's foundational to where you're at. And
then making sure that the things you buy every day,
whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's
fairness in that. Look, the thirty five dollars in insulin
is a good thing, but it costs five dollars to
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make insulin. They were charging eight hundred dollars before this
law went into effect. As far as the housing goes,
I've seen it in Minnesota twelve percent more houses in Minneapolis.
Prices went down on rent four percent. It's working. And
then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.
Six thousand dollars child tax credit we have one in
Minnesota reduces childhood poverty by a third. We saved money
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in the long run, and we do the right thing
for families and then getting businesses off the ground. The
laws it stands right now is five thousand dollars tax
credit for small business, increasing that to fifty thousand. Now,
this is a philosophical difference between us. Donald Trump made
a promise and I'll.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Give you this.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
He kept it.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
He took folks tomorrow Lago said you're riches, helme and
give you a tax cut. He gave the tax cuts
that predominantly went to the top.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
Past.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
What happened there was an eight trillion dollar increase in
the national depth, the largest ever. Now he's proposing a
twenty percent consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.
Everyone agrees, including businesses. It would be destabilizing it. It
would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look,
this is simple for you. Where are we going? Kamala
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Harris has said, to do the thing she wants to do.
We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share.
When you do that, our system works best. More people are.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Participating in it, and folks have the things that they need.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Senata, I want to give you a moment to respond
on that. But similarly, the Wharton School has done an
analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase
the nation's deficit by five point eight trillion. My question
is the same for you, how do you pay for
all that without ballooning the deficit. I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot
from Tim Walls this evening, and you just heard it
in the answer, a lot of what Kamala Harris proposes
to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you,
it even sounds pretty good. Here's what you want here
is that Kamala Harris has already done it. Because she's
been the Vice president for three and a half years,
she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And what she's actually done.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Instead is drive the cost of food higher by twenty
five percent, drive the cost of housing higher by about
sixty percent, open the American southern border, and make middle
class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans. If
Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address
middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
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Not one asking for a promotion, but in the job
the American people gave.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Her three and a half years ago, and the fact.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That she isn't tells you a lot about how much
you can trust her actual plans. Now, Donald Trump's economic
plan is not just a plan.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But it's also a record.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans
and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense
and they don't have wisdom. Because Donald Trump's economic policies
to deliver to the highest take home pay and a
generation in this country one point five percent inflation, and
to boot peace and security all over the world. So
when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense,
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I say, look at the record he delivered rising take
home pay for American workers. Now, Tim admir admits that
they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, But if
you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's
tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is
that a lot of those resources went to giving more
take home pay to middle class and working class Americans.
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It was passed in twenty seventeen, and you saw an
American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in
this country. That is a record that I'm proud.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
To run on.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
And we're going to get back to that common sense
wisdom so that you can afford to live the American
dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling.
I know a lot of you are worried about paying
the bills. It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings
back common sense to this country.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Governor, do you want to respond to that. What has
Kamala Harris done for the Middle coup?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Yeah, well, Kamala Harris was Day one.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the
collapse for our economy. We were already before COVID in
a manufacturing recession, but ten million people out of work,
largest percentage since a Great depression. Nine million jobs closed
on that. That was day one. Whether it was the
infrastructure actor of the things we moved. Now, you made
a question about experts, said this. I've made a note
of this. Economists don't know. You can't be trusted. Science
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can't be trusted. National security folks can't be trusted. Look,
if you're going to be president, you don't have all
the answers Donald Trump believes he does.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
My pro tip of the day is this, if you
need heart surgery.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota,
not Donald Trump. And the same thing goes with this.
And I asked you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers
or whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your
taxes every year? And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal
tax in the last fifteen years, and the last year
is president. That's what's wrong with the system. There's a
way around it. And he's bragged about that. We're just
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asking for fairness in it. And that's all you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Want, no governor, you say, trust the experts.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But those same experts for.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Forty years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base
off to China, we get cheaper goods. They lied about that.
They said if we shipped our industrial base off to
other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the
middle class stronger.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They were wrong about that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
They were wrong about the idea that if we made
America less self reliant, less productive in our own nation,
that it would somehow make us better off.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And they were wrong about it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump
had the wisdom and the courage to say to that
bipartisan consensus.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
We're not doing it anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We're bringing American manufacturing back, We're unleashing American energy. We're
going to make more of our own stuff. And this
isn't just an economic issue. And I've got three beautiful
little kids at home, seven, four and two, and I
love them very much, and I hope they're in bed
right now. But look, so many of the drugs, the
pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children
are manufactured by.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Nations that hate us.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This has to stop, and we're not going to stop
it by listening to experts. We're going to stop it
by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald
Trump governed on.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Senator you're talking about, Governor Walls, can you address that.
I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the
economy more.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Why if you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to
get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Look, I'm a union guy on this.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas,
but I understand that. Look, we produce soybeans and corn.
We need to have fair trading partners. That's something that
we believe in. I think the thing that most concerns
me on this is is Donald Trump was the guy
who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
So the rhetoric is good. Much of what the senator
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said right there. I'm in agreement with him on this.
I watched it happen too. I watched it to my communities,
and we talked about that. But we had people undercutting
the right to collectively bargain.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
We had right to work. States made it more difficult.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
We had companies that were willing to ship it over
and we saw people profit that. Folks that are venture
capital in some cases putting money into companies that were overseas.
We're in agreement that we bring those home. The issue
is Donald Trump is talking about it. Kamala Harris has
a record two hundred and fifty thousand more manufacturing jobs
just in the out of the IRA Mari's.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Spot of that. Yes, so I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So if you notice what Governor Waltz did as he said,
first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts,
and then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up,
he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good
of a.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Job as this.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's Coach General that he did, so what Tim Waltz
is doing. And I honestly, Tim, I think you got
a tough job here because you've got to play whack
a mole. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't
deliver rising take home pay, which of course he did.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation,
which of course he did. And then you simultaneously got
to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record which has made gas,
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groceries and housing unaffordable fair American citizens. I was raised
by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt
so that she could put food.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
On the table in our household.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I know what it's like to not be able to
afford the things that you need to afford. We can
do so much better to all of you watching. We
can get back to an America that's affordable again. We
just got to get back to common sense economic principles.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
I hope we have a conversation on healthcare.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Then, Senator and Governor, please thank you, Margaret.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
To get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now,
I want to talk about personal qualifications. The vice president
is often the last voice the president hears before making
consequential decisions. We want to ask you about your leadership qualities,
Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
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the deadly Tieneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen
eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, well, and the folks out there, it didn't get
at the top of this look. I grew up in small,
rural Nebraska town of four hundred town that you rode
your bike with your buddy still the street lights come on,
and I'm proud of that service.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
I joined the National.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Guard at seventeen, worked on family farms, and then I
use the GI bill to become a teacher. Passion about
it a young teacher. My first year out, I got
the opportunity in the summer of eighty nine to travel
to China thirty five years ago. Be able to do that,
I came back home and then started a program to
take young people there. We would take basketball teams, we
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would take baseball teams. We would take dancers and we
would go back and forth to China. The issue for
that was was to try and learn. Now, look, my
community knows who I am. They saw where I was at.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
They look. I will be the first to tell you
I have poured my heart into my community.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
I've tried to do the best I can, but I've
not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
But it's always been about that.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Those same people elected me to Congress for twelve years,
and in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people,
working on things like farm bills that we got done,
working on veterans benefits, and then the people of Minnesota
were able to elect me to governor twice. So look,
my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure
that I'm there for the people, to make.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
Sure that I get this right. I will say more
than anything.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Many times I will talk a lot, I will get
caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact
it made, the difference it made in my life.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
I learned a lot about China. I hear the critiques
of this.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
I would make the case that Donald Trump should have
come on one of those trips with US, I guarantee
you he wouldn't be praising chijingping about COVID, and I
guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he
ends up losing.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
So this is about trying to understand the world.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
It's about trying to do the best you can for
your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and
letting your folks understand what it is my commitment. Whether
it be through teaching, which I was good at, or
whether it was being a good soldier, or was being
a good member of Congress, those are the things that
I think are the values that people care about.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Governor, Just to follow up on that, the question was,
can you explain the Nancy.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
All I said on this was is I got there
that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong
and China during the democracy protests went in and from
that I learned lot of what needed to be in governance.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Thank you, Governor. Senator Vance. In twenty sixteen, you called
your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office,
and you said he could be America's hitler. I know
you've said You've been asked many times, and you've said
you regret those comments and explained you then voted for
Donald Trump in twenty twenty. But The Washington Post reported
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new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's
economic record while he was president, writing to someone in
twenty twenty, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
Here now is running mate, and you've shifted many of
your policy stances to align with his. If you become
vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give
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Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not
just the advice he wants to hear. You have two minutes.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open
and sometimes, of course I've disagreed with the president, but
I've also been extremely open about the fact that I
was wrong about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I was wrong, first of all, because.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I believed some of the media stories that turned out
to be dishonest fabrications of his record. But most importantly,
Donald Trump delivered for the American people rising wages, rising
take home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans,
a secure southern border, a lot of things frankly that
I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on and yeah,
when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get
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something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to
be honest with the American people about It's one of
the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is
because I think it's important to actually explain to the
American people where I come down on the issues and
what changed.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
You pointed out to messages.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
From twenty twenty, Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I
think there were a lot of things that we could
have done better in the Trump administration the first round
if Congress was doing its job. I strongly believe, and
I've been a United States Senator, that Congress is not
just a high class debating society. It's not just a
forum for senators and congressmen to whind about problems.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
It's a forum to govern.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So there were a lot of things on the border,
on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could
have done so much more if the Republican Congress and
the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better
about how they governed the country. They were so obsessed
with impeaching Donald Trump. They couldn't actually govern. And I
want to talk about this tarifficsue in particular, Margaret, because
Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Look the one.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Thing and probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden,
But the one thing that Joe Biden did is he
continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
And it's the one issue, the most pro.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Worker part of the Biden administration. It's the one issue
where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at
three dollars a day, you're going to do that and
undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands
up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets
unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
Center. Your time is up, Nora.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Thank you. Now to the issue of reproductive rights. Governor Walls,
after Roe versus Wade was overturned, you signed a bill
into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive
states in the nation when it comes to abortion. Former
President Trump said in the last debate that you believe
abortion quote in the ninth month, is absolutely fine. Yes
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or no? Is that what you support? I'll give you
two minutes.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
It's not what the bill says. But look, this issue
is what's on everyone's mind. Donald Trump put this all
into motion. He brags about how great it was that
he put the judges in and overturned rovers's wait fifty
two years of personal autonomy. And then he tells us, oh,
we send it to the States. It's a beautiful thing.
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Amanda Zorski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing.
A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at
eighteen weeks she has a complication, a tear in the membrane.
She needs to go in the medical care at that
point needs to be decided by the doctor, and that
would have been an abortion, but in Texas that would
have put them in legal jeopardy. She went home, got sepsist,
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nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.
Or in Kentucky Hadlee Duval, a twelve year old child
raped and impregnated by her stepfather.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Those are horrific.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Now, when God asked about that, Senator Vance said, two
wrongs don't make a right. There is no right in this.
So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade.
We made sure that we put women in charge of
their healthcare. But look, this is not where if you
don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will. Their
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Project twenty twenty five is going to have a registry
of pregnancies. It's going to make it more difficult, if
not impossible, to get contraception, and limit access, if not
eliminate access to infertility treatments. For so many of you
out there listening me included infertility treatments are why I
have a child. That's nobody else's business. But those things
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are being proposed. And the catch all on this is
is well, the states will decide what's right for Texas
might not be right for Washington.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
That's not how this works. This is basic human right.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many
other countries in the world. This is about healthcare. In Minnesota,
we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason. We
trust women, we trust doctors.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?
Will you create a Federal Pregnancy Monitoring Agency.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
No, nor certainly we won't.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
And I want to talk about this issue because I
know a lot of Americans care about it, and I
know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that
I've ever said on this topic. And you know, I
grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood
where I knew a lot of young women who had
unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they
feel like.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
They didn't have any other options.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And you know, one of them is actually very dear
to me, and I know she's watching tonight and I
love you, and she told me something a couple of
years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had
that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because
she was in an abusive relationship. And I think that
what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly
wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly
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wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party we've
got to do so much better of a job at
earning the American people's trust back on this issue where
they frankly just don't trust us. And I think that's
one of the things that Donald Trump and I are
endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican party
to be pro family in the fullest sense of the word.
I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us
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to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.
I wanted to make it easier for young families to
afford a home so they can afford a place to
raise that family. And I think there's so much that
we can do on the public policy front just to
give women more options. Now. Of course, Donald Trump has
been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that
we have a big country and it's diverse, and California
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has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia has
a different viewpoint from Arizona. And the proper way to
handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to
let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Their abortion policy.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
And I think that's what makes the most sense in
a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest,
sometimes a very very messy and divided country.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the
question about restrictions.
Speaker 6 (47:29):
Yeah, Well, the question got asked, Donald Trump made the
accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell
you about this idea that they're diverse states. There's a
young woman named Amber Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia,
a restrictive state. Because of that, she had to travel
a long distance to North Carolina to try and get
her care. Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.
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The fact of the matter is, how can we as
a nation say that your life and your rights, as
basic as the right to control your own body, is
determined on geography. There's a very real chance had Amber
Thurmann lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today. That's
why the restoration of roversus. Wait, when you listen to
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Vice President Harris talk about this subject, can you hear
me talk about it? You hear us talking exactly the same.
Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get
the political right of this. I agree with a lot
of what zendor Vance said about what's happening. His running mate, though,
does not, And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Governor.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Your time is up. Senator, let me ask you about
that he mentioned. Was I think referring to a national ban.
In the past, you have supported a federal ban on
abortion after fifteen weeks. In fact, you said, if someone
can't support legislation like that quote, you are making the
United States the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in
the entire world. My question is why have you changed
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your position?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Well, Laura, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I did during what I was running for Senate in
twenty twenty two, talk about setting some minimum national standard.
For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in
place in this country at the federal level. I don't
think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at
least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have
taken a very radical pro abortion stance. But Nora, you
know one of the things that changed is in the
state of Ohio, we had a referendum in twenty twenty three,
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and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way
against my position. And I think that what I learned
from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a
better job at winning back people's trust.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
So many young women would love to have families.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as
something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education,
destroy their relationships. And we have got to earn people's
trust back. And that's why Donald Trump and I are
committed to pursuing pro family policies, making childcare more accessible,
making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do
a better job at that, and that's what real leadership is.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Governor your response, I'm going to respond on the pro
abortion piece of that.
Speaker 7 (50:00):
No, we're not.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
We're pro women. We're pro freedom to make your own choice.
We know what the implications are to not be that
women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling
like they may be prosecuted for providing that care, And
as far as making sure that we're educating our children
and giving them options. Minnesota is a stated one of
the lowest team pregnancy rates. We understand that too. We
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know that the options need to be available, and we
make that true.
Speaker 7 (50:28):
We also make it we're.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
A top three state for the best place to raise children.
But these two things to try and say that we're
pro children but we don't like this, or you guys
are pro abortion, that's not the case at all. We
are pro freedoms for women to make their choices, and
we're going and Kamala Harris is making the case to
make options for children more affordable, a six thousand dollars
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child tax credit. But we're not going to base out
on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive
six hundred.
Speaker 7 (50:56):
Miles to try and get healthcare. Senator, they's fond of that.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
First of all, Governor, I with the Amber Thurman should
still be alive, and there are a lot of people
who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that
she was. And maybe you're free to disagree with me
on this and explain this to me. But as I
read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the
statute that you signed into law, it says that a
doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives,
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the doctor is under no obligation to provide life saving
care to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion.
That is, I think, whether pro choice or provider shaw, that.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Is fundamentally barbaric.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because
some of what we've seen. Do you want to force
Catholic hospitals to perform abortions? Against their will, because Kamala
Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom
of conscience. We can be a big and diverse country
where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the
country more pro baby and pro family.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
But please, yes, Governor, please respond.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
Look, this is one where there's always something there. This
is a very simple proposition. These are women's decisions to
make about their head health care decisions and the physicians.
Speaker 7 (52:02):
Who know best when they need to do this.
Speaker 6 (52:04):
Trying to distort the way a law is written to
try and make a point that's not it at all.
Speaker 7 (52:08):
Was I wrong?
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I'm governor, I please tell me what was that?
Speaker 7 (52:10):
That is not the way the law is written.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
Look, I've given how I've given this advice on a
lot of things that getting involved, getting against that's been
misread and it.
Speaker 7 (52:17):
Was fact checked at the last debate.
Speaker 6 (52:19):
But the point on this is there's a continuation of
these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.
I use this line on this, just mind your own
business on this. Things work best when Roe versus Wade
was in place. When we do a restoration of row
that works best, that doesn't preclude us from.
Speaker 7 (52:36):
Increasing funding for children.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that
child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals, they get
early childhood education, they get healthcare. So the hiding behind,
we're going to do all these other things when you're
not proposing them in your budget.
Speaker 7 (52:52):
Kamala Harris is proposing them.
Speaker 6 (52:54):
She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
I asked the specific question, Governor.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You gave me a slogan as a it's not the case.
Speaker 7 (53:01):
It's not true. That's not what the law says. So
they fact checked it with President Trump.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. We have to move on,
and we're going to be right back with much more
of the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate.
Speaker 8 (53:12):
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Speaker 9 (53:22):
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Speaker 2 (53:29):
Art hands over a gun knowing that their kid is
potentially dangerous. Look, I want to just sort of speak
as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our
oldest is now in second grade, and like a lot
of parents, we send our kids to school with such
hope and such joy and such pride at their.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Little faces on the first day of school.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
And we know, unfortunately that a lot of kids are
going to experience this terrible epondemic of gun violence. And
of course our hearts go out to the families that
are affected by this terrible stuff. And we do have
to do better. And I think that Governor Watson I
actually probably agreed we need to do better on this.
The question is just how do we actually do it
now Here here's something that really bothers me and worries
me about this epidemic of violence. The gross majority close
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to ninety percent, and some of the statists I've seen
of the gun violence in this country is committed with
illegally obtained firearms. And while we're on that topic, we
know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen
a massive influx and the number of illegal guns run
by the Mexican drug cartels. So that number, then the
amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today
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than it was three and a half years ago. But
what do we do about the schools. What do we
do to protect our kids? And I think the answer
is and I say this not loving the answer, because
I don't want my kids to go to school in
a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible
signs of security. But I unfortunately think that we have
to increase security in our schools. We have to make
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the doors lock better, we have to make the doors stronger.
We've got to make the windows stronger. And of course
we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea
that we can magically wave.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
A wand and take guns out of the hands of.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
So we've got to make our schools safer.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
And I think we've got to have some common sense,
bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Governor, you have two minutes.
Speaker 6 (55:13):
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is
this your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a seventeen year
old and he witnessed to shooting at a community center
playing volleyball.
Speaker 7 (55:23):
Those things don't leave you. As a member of Congress,
I set in.
Speaker 6 (55:27):
My office surrounded by dozens of the Sandiog parents and
they were looking at my seven year old picture on
the wall. Their seven year old were dead, and they
were asking us to do something.
Speaker 7 (55:37):
And look, I'm a hunter, I own firearms.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
The Vice President is we understand that the Second Amendment
is there, but our first responsibilities to our.
Speaker 7 (55:46):
Kids to figure this out.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background checks, and.
Speaker 7 (55:54):
We can start to get data. But here's the problem.
Speaker 6 (55:56):
If we really want to solve this, we've got folks
that won't allow research to be even done on gun
violence and this idea that we should just live with it.
And here's what I do think that this is a
good start to the conversation. I one hundred percent believe
that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's a
boring and it breaks your heart. I agree with that,
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but that's not far enough when we know they're things
that work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some
finished schools. They don't have this happen, even though they
have a high gun ownership rate in the country. There
are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.
It's not infringing on your Second Amendment, and the idea
to have some of these weapons out there. It just
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doesn't make any sense. Kamala Harris, as an attorney General,
worked on this issue. She knows that it's there. No
one's trying to scare monger and say we're taking your guns.
But I ask all of you out there, do you
want your schools hardened to look like a fort? Is
that what we have to go When we know there's
countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these
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types of drills. They're being kids. We owe it to
them to get a fix. These are things that should
be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms and
we can make a difference.
Speaker 7 (57:12):
We have to. If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Senator Tim. First of all, I didn't know that your
seventeen year old witness is shooting. I'm sorry about that,
and I appreciate, Okay, christ have mercy. It is awful.
And I appreciate what Tim said actually about Finland because
I do think it illustrates some of the frankly weird
differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland
is okay. First of all, we have way higher rates
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of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse. We
have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country
that I really do think that we need to get
to the.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Root causes of.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Because I don't think it's the whole reason why we
have such a bad gun violence problem, but I.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Do think it's a big piece of.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
It, another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that
affecting our kids. It doesn't earn as many headlines, but
is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of
our big cities. And this is why we have to
empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away,
and take gun offenders off the streets. I think it's
a whole host of things that we can do here,
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but I do think at our schools we've got to
talk about more security.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Senator, thank you. Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban,
but it only later in your political career did you
change your position. Why.
Speaker 6 (58:26):
Yeah, I set in that office with those San Diegog parents.
I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it. Look
the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.
They used to teach gun safety I'm of an age
where my shotgun was in my car so I could
peessant hunt after football practice.
Speaker 7 (58:39):
That's not where we live today.
Speaker 6 (58:41):
And several things I want to mention on this is
talking about cities and where it's at. The Number one
where the most firearm deaths happened in Minnesota are rural suicides.
And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and
shooting themselves, and so we have and we should look
at all of the issues, making sure folks have health
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care and all that. But I want to be very
careful this idea of stigmatizing mental health. Just because you
have a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent. And
I think what we end up doing is we start
looking for escapeboat. Sometimes it just is the guns. It's
just the guns, and there are things that you can
do about it. But I do think that this is
one and I think this is a healthy conversation. I
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think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work.
Protect Second Amendment, protect our children. That's our priority.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Gentlemen, Thank you, Margaret, thank you Nora.
Speaker 5 (59:32):
Let's turn out to the top contributor to inflation, the
high cost of housing and rent. There's a shortage of
more than four million homes in the United States and
that contributes to the high housing prices. Governor Walls. The
Harris campaign promises a twenty five thousand dollars down payment
assistance for first time home buyers and a ten thousand
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dollars tax credit. They also promise to build three million
new home homes. Where are you building these homes? And
won't handing out that kind of money just drive up
prices higher?
Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
No, it's not hanging out.
Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
We have first let me say this this issue of housing,
and I think those of you listening on this, the
problem we've had is that we've got a lot of
folks that see housing as another commodity. It can be
bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.
Those are not folks living in those houses. Those of
you listening tonight, that house a big deal. I bought
and owned one house in my life. My mom still
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lives in the house where I was. And when I
think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after
midnight Mass, where you go with your family. We need
to make it more affordable. And one of the things
is I said this program that the Vice President is up,
pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching. This
is something we're doing in Minnesota. From that lead, we
in the state invested in making sure our housing was
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the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. It
starts to make it easier. We cut some of the
red tape local folks. Look, we can't do at the
federal level, but local folks make it easier to build
those homes.
Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
And then that down payment assistance.
Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
I can tell all of you out there one of
the certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing,
but a veterans home loan. The big thing about a
veterans home loan is you don't have to pay the
down payment.
Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Those are things that make it there.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Now.
Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Look, you're going to pay it back and you're going
to pay your mortgage. Those are things that we know
in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth
that's created from it. And I will give Minneapolis an example.
Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest
inflation rates. We've seen a twelve percent increase in stock
because we've put some of these things in and we're
implementing a state program to make sure we give some
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of that down payment assistance, we get it back from
people because here's what we know. People with stable housing
end up with stable jobs, people with stable housing, have
their kids able to be able to get to school.
All of those things in the long run end up
saving our money. And that's the thing that I think
we should be able to find some common ground in.
But we can't blame immigrants for the only reason. That's
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not the case. It's happening in many cities. The fact
of the matter is is that we don't have enough
naturally affording affordable housing, but we can make sure that
the government's there to help kickstart it, create that create
that base.
Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Governor, your time is, Senator Vance. As far as your
campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to
build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back
on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. Where are
you going to build all the new homes you're promising,
and what part of any of this plan will provide
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immediate relief? You have two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I
agree with. We don't want to blame immigrants for higher
housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris
for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Country, which does drive up cost him.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Twenty five million Illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce
homes is one of this most significant drivers of home
prices in the country.
Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It's why we have massive.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive
increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. Now,
Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now, some of
those ideas I actually think are halfway decent, and some
of them I disagree with. But the most important thing
here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer
to politics. She is the sitting Vice president. If she
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wants to enact all of these policies to make housing
more affordable, I invite her to use the office that
the American people already gave her, not sit around and
campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream
of home ownership completely unaffordable. Now you asked, Margaret, what
would immediately change the equation for American citizens if you
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lower energy prices? As Donald Trump says, Drill, Baby, Drill.
One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from
illegal immigration is think about it. If a truck drivers
pan forty percent more for diesel, then the lumber he's
delivering to the job site to build the house is
also going to be come a lot more expensive. If
we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing
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release relief for American citizens, not by the way, just
in housing, but in a whole host of other economic
goods too.
Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Senator advance, you still have twenty three seconds there. Do
you want to answer?
Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
I have it where.
Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Yeah, a governor, We will get to you in a moment.
But Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?
Can you clarify?
Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Well, what Donald Trump has said.
Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't
being used for anything. They're not being used for National Park,
They're not being used, and they could be places where
we build a lot of housing. And I do think
that we should be opening up building in this country.
We have a lot of land that could be used.
We have a lot of Americans that need homes. We
should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for
those homes, and we should be building more homes for
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the American citizens who deserve to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
Senator, your time is a governor, I do want to
let you respond to the allegation that the Vice president
is letting in.
Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Of course true, and again you have that fact. I
guess we agreed, not fact check. I'll check it that. Look,
crossings are down compared to in Donald Trump left office.
But it's again blaming and not trying to find the solution.
I was going to ask on this question, are we
going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
And I think when people hear federal lands, these are
really important pieces of land. Now, Minnesota doesn't have a
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lot of federal lands. I know in the western part
of the countries we do. There's not a lot of
federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. So the
issue is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless
we see this. And I worry about this as someone
who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. Look, Minnesota,
we protect these things. We've got about twenty percent of
the world's fresh water these lands protect They're there for
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a reason.
Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
They belong to all of us.
Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
But again, this is when you view housing and you
view these things as commodities, there's a chance to make
money here. Let's take this federal land and let's sell
it to people for that. I think there's better ways
to do this. We've seen it in Minnesota. We're able
to refurbish some of these houses, We're able to make
some investments that gets people in. And I'm still on
the fact on this Economist Center bench you said you
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don't like the economists, which economists are saying that it
is immigrants, it's adding to the cost.
Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Governor, doctor, your time is up. But Senator, on that point,
I'd like for you to clarify there are many contributing
factors to high housing costs. What evidence do you have
that migrants are part of this problem.
Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to
share after the debate. We'll put it up on social media. Actually,
that really drills down on the connection between increased levels
of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices. Now,
of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher
housing prices. It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris. Look,
we are a country of builders. We're a country of doers.
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We're a country of explorers, but we increasingly have a
federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources,
makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw
people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala
Harris says.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
They have to do. And what that means is.
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
That you have a lot of people who would love
to build homes who aren't able to build homes. I
actually agree with Tim Walltz we should get out of
this idea of housing as a commodity. But the thing
that is most turn housing into a commodity is giving
it away to millions upon millions of people who have
no legal right to be here.
Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
What are the federal regulations? I deal with that as
a governor.
Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
You can very quickly reply I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily
disagree with that that in some cases many of those
are local, many of them are state.
Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I don't know which ones are federal.
Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
But I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they
can get rid of them. I think you want to
be able to get out of your house in a fire.
I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof
and those types of things. So which are the regulations
because the Vice President's not responsible for those Congress rights.
Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Those governor, thank you, gentlemen, we have a lot to
get through. You're passionate about the housing crisis. I can
tell Nora, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
One of the top problems facing Americans is the high
cost of healthcare, Senator Vance. At the last presidential debate,
former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.
In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.
Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill
Americans get health insurance. Can you explain how that would work?
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And can you guarantee that Americans with pre existing conditions
won't pay more? I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well, of course, we're going to cover americans with pre
existing conditions. In fact, a lot of my family members
have gotten healthcare. I believe you know, members of my
family actually got private health insurance at least for the
first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for
the first time under Donald Trump's leadership. And I think
that you know a lot of people have criticized this
concepts of a plan remark, it gets very simple common sense.
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I think it's Tim Wall's nose from twelve years in Congress.
You're not going to propose a nine hundred page bill
standing on a debate stage. It would bore everybody to tears,
and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this
is the give and take of partisan negotiation. Now, when
Donald Trump was actually president, and again he has a
record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in twenty
eighteen for the first time in a very long time.
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But er Kamala Harris's leadership, prescription drugs are up about
seven percent. Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were
up about one and a half percent. He introduced pricing transparency.
You think about healthcare, You go into a hospital, you
try to buy something, and nobody.
Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Knows what it actually costs.
Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little
bit more choice and will also drive down costs. And
we talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was
talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Look, Donald Trump has said that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
If we allow states to experiment a little bit on
how to cover both the chronically ill but the non
chronically ill, it's not just a plan. He actually implemented
some of these regulations when he was President of the
United States, and I think you can make a really
good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously
until Donald Trump came along. And I think it's an
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important point about President Trump. Of course, you don't have
to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said
or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the
weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald
Trump could have destroyed the program. Instead, he worked in
a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to
affordable care. It's not perfect, of course, and there's so
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much more that we can do. But I think that
Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place
some better health care policies. He's earned it because he
did it successfully the first time governor.
Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
All Right, here's where it. Being an old guy gives
you some history.
Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
I was there at the creation of the ACA, and
the reason it was so important is I come from
a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home
to Medical Alley, three, am Medtronic, all of those.
Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
We understand healthcare.
Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and
quality of healthcare. And so what I know is under
Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before.
And those of you listening, this is critical to you. Now,
Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back
and remember this.
Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
He ran on.
Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
The first thing he was going to do on day
one was to repeal Obamacare. On day one, he tried
to sign an executive.
Speaker 7 (01:11:15):
Order to repeal the ACA.
Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA,
but lost at the Supreme Court. And he would have
repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage
of John McCain to save that bill. Now fast forward,
what that means to you is you lose your pre
existing conditions. If you're setting it home and you got asthma,
too bad. If you're a woman, probably not broke your
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foot during football, might kick you out. Your kids get
kicked out when they're twenty six. Kamala heir negotiated drug
prices for the first time with Medicare. We have ten
drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll
be there. But look this issue, and when Donald Trump
said I got a concept of a plan, it cracked
me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids
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would have never given me that. But what Senator Vans
just explained might be worse than a concept because what
he explained is pre Obamacare. And I'll make this as
simple as possible because I have done this for a
long time. What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why
should you be paying more? So what they're going to
do is let insurance companies pick who they insured, because
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guess what happens. You pay your premium, it's not much.
They're figure they're not going to have to pay.
Speaker 7 (01:12:24):
Out to you. But those of you a little older, gray,
you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked out
of it. That's why the system didn't work.
Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.
Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Governor, thank you, Senator, you have not yet explained how
you would protect people with pre existing conditions or laid
out that plan.
Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in the
place in place right now that protect people.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
With pre existing conditions.
Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
We want to keep those regulations in place, but we
also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a
little bit better.
Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Now, what Governor Waltz just said is actually not true.
Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
A lot of what happened in the reason that Obama
Care was crushing under its own weight is that a
lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges.
Donald Trump actually helped address that problem, and he did
so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage
who had pre existing conditions. But again, something that these
guys do is they make a lot of claims about
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if Donald Trump's becomes president, all of these terrible consequences
are going to ensue. But in reality, Donald Trump was president,
inflation was low, tacom pay was higher, and he saved
the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing
and would have collapsed absent his leadership. He did his job,
which is governed in a bipartisan way and get results,
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not just complain about problems but actually solve them.
Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up
under the Trump administration?
Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
It's higher now that we've seen it go up. Look,
people are using it. The system works. And the question
about this of young people whatever, that's the individual mandate
piece of this. And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well,
Americans should be free to do this.
Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Well, then what happened. It's a good idea, I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
I think the idea of making sure the risk pool
is broad enough to cover everyone.
Speaker 7 (01:14:08):
That's the only way insurance works. When it doesn't, it collapses.
Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
You are asking pre ACA where we get people out. Look,
people know that they need to be on healthcare. People
expect it to be there and when we are able
to make it, and we are making it this way,
when we incentivize people to be in the market, when
we help people who might not be able to afford
it get there, and we make sure then when you
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get sick and old, it's there for you. Because I
heard people say, well I don't want to buy into Medicare. Whatever,
good luck buying healthcare once you get past seventy. So, look,
the ACA works, we can continue to do better. Kamala
Harris did that. The way she made everything better was
negotiating those ten drugs on Medicare for the first time
in American history.
Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Thank you, Margaret, can I work?
Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
I apologize. We're out of time at a number of
subjects to discuss.
Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Margaret, Let's talk about families in America. There is a
childcare crisis in this country and the United States is
one of the very few developed countries in the world
without a national paid leave program for new parents. Governor Walls,
you said that if Democrats win both the White House
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and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.
How long should employers be required to pay workers while
they are home taking care of their newborns. You have
two minutes?
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Yeah, well that's negotiable, and that's what Congress works. But
here's what the deal is Americans setting out there right now.
You may work for a big company. Look, we're home
in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune five hundred companies.
Kamala Harris knows that, and are in California. Those companies
provide paid family medically. One is I think they're moral
and they think it's a good thing. But it also
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keeps their employees healthy. We in Minnesota past a paid
family medically. You have a child. You and I had
to go back to work five days after my kids
were born. This allows you to stay home a certain
amount of time. What we know is that gets the
child off to a better start, The family works better,
we stay in their employers, We get more consistency in
that So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We
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implemented in Minnesota and we see growth. That's how you
become a pro business state. But the negotiations on it,
and here's the issue. Those big companies are able to
offer it those of you out there who don't have it.
Just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your
child gets sick. We know what happens. You end up
staying home. In some cases that means no paycheck because
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you've got no protection on that. This is the case
of an economy that Donald Trump has said for the
wealthiest amongst us. He's willing to give those tax breaks
to the wealthiest. He's willing to say, bust those unions up,
do whatever. What we're saying is the economy works best
when it works for all of us.
Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
And so a paid family medical lead program.
Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
And I will tell you go to the families or
go to the businesses and ask them. As far as
childcare on this, you have to take it at both
supply and the demand side.
Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
You can't expect the most important.
Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
People in our lives to take either our children or
our parents to get paid the least amount of money.
Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
And we have to make.
Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
It easier for folks to be able to get into
that business, and then to make sure that folks are
able to pay for that. We were able to do
it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this. We
were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis
on this. A federal program of paid family medical leave
and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families,
and make it easier to have the children.
Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
That you want.
Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Governor, your time is a Senator, do you support a
national paid leave program? And if so, for how long
should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they
are home taking care of their newborn? You have two minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican
colleagues and some Democrats who have worked on this issue,
and I think there is a bipartisan solution here because
a lot of us care about this issue. I mean, look,
I speak from this very personally because I'm married to
a beautiful woman who's an incredible mother to our three
beautiful kids, but as also a very very brilliant corporate litigator,
and I'm so proud of her. But being a working mom,
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even for somebody with all of the advantages of my
wife is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from
a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family
leave because she worked for a bigger company. But the
cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I
think makes it really hard for people to choose the
family model they want. A lot of young women would
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like to go back to work immediately, Some would like
to spend a little time home with the kids, some
would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
We should have a family care model that makes choice possible,
and I think this is a very important substance of
difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.
Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I mean, look, if you look at the.
Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Federal programs that we have that support paid family leave
right now, the Community Development block grant, and there's another
block grant program that spends a lot of.
Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Money from the federal government.
Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
These programs only go to one kind of childcare model.
Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you
out with childcare. Maybe you live in a rural area
or an urban area, and you'd like to get together
with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the
way that makes the most sense. You don't get access
to any of these federal moneies. We want to promote
choice and how we deliver family care and how we
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promote childcare, because look, it is unacceptable. And you know,
of course, sim and I have been on the campaign
trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks, and
one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families
is people who feel like they don't have options, like
they're choosing between going to work or taking care.
Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
For their kids.
Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That is an incredible burden to put on American families,
where the only country that does it.
Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
I think we could do a heck of a lot better.
Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Senator thank you. You have also said, Senator Vance, many
things about the American family. The Federal Reserve says parents
will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do
on housing each month. So I want to get your
thoughts on this. President Trump recently said, as much as
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childcare has talked about is being expensive, it's relatively speaking,
not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers will
be taking in. Is President Trump committed to the five
thousand dollars per child tax credit that you have described.
Give one minute.
Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to
defend my running mate here a little bit, is that
we're going to be taking in a lot of money
by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas, and penalizing countries
who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back
into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan. Cut
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taxes for American workers and American families, cut taxes for
businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United
States of America, but penalized companies and countries that are
shipping jobs overseas. That's the heart of the economic proposal.
And I think what President Trump is saying is that
when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth,
we're going to be able to provide paid family leave
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childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot
of American families.
Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?
Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Well, because, as Tim said, a lot of the childcare
shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into
the multiple people who could be providing family care options,
and we're going to have to Unfortunately, look, we're going
to have to spend more money. We're going to have
to induce more people to want to provide childcare options
for American families because the reason it's so expensive right
now is because you've got way too few people providing
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this very essential service.
Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
Thank you, Senator, Governor Walls. Your ticket also has some
childcare tax credit proposals. Do you think Congress will agree
to the six thousand dollars credit for newborns and three
thousand dollars credit for children over the age of six
as your campaign has promised. Is it realistic?
Speaker 6 (01:21:49):
Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody,
I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue.
Everybody listening tonight knows. I mean, I'm sure they were
shocked to hear it's not that expensive. And be clear,
whether it's five thousand or six thousand that pleads you
about three or four months. Let's be clear of where
we're at on this. It's because we got out of
an imbalance on this. We thought we were going to
get by by not paying people. I don't think center
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events are and I are that far apart. I'm not
a post what he's talking about on options. We've done
scholarship types of things. I think we need to be
open to making the case. But the issue here is
the question you asked, is you're not going to pay
for it with these tariffs. That's just adding another four
thousand on the family and taking less. So not only
do they not get the money to pay for that,
they're four thousand dollars in the hole. That's Wharton School,
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that's his alma mater. And so I think the issue
here is if those members of Congress, I can't believe
they're not it when I.
Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
Go to businesses.
Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
Sure they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead
with childcare and they will lead with housing because we
know the problems, especially in a state like Minnesota. We
need more workers because our economy is growing, but we
need the workforce.
Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Governor, thank you. We need to move on, Noura.
Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue
for Americans after the economy and inflation. After the twenty
twenty election, President Trump's campaign and others filed sixty two
lawsuits contesting the results. Judges, including those appointed by President
Trump and other Republican presidents looked at the evidence and
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said there was no widespread fraud. The governors of every
state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the twenty
twenty election results and sent a legal slate of electors
to Congress for January sixth. Senator Vance, you have said
you would not have certified the last presidential election and
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would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. That
has been called unconstitutional and illegal. Would you again seek
to challenge this year's election results, even if every governor
certifies the results. I'll give you two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Well, Norah, First of all, I think that we're focused
on the future. We need to figure out how to
solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, housing affordable,
make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
But I want to.
Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Answer your question because you did ask it. Look, what
President Trump has said is that there were.
Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Problems in twenty twenty, and my own belief is that we.
Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in
the public square. And that's all I've said, and that's
all that Donald Trump has said. Remember, He said that
on January the sixth, the protesters ought to protest peacefully,
and on January the twentieth, what happened. Joe Biden became
the president, Donald Trump left the White House, and now,
of course, unfortunately we have all of the negative policies
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that have come from the Harris Biden administration. I believe
that we actually do have a threat to democracy in
this country. But unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy
that Kamala Harris and Tim Walltz want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
It is the threat of censorship.
Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.
It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens. And it's
Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her
fellow low Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage
in misinformation. I think that is a much bigger threat
to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country
(01:25:08):
in the last four years, in the last forty years.
Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by
two lifelong blue collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of
Bobby Kennedy Junior and Tulsea Gabbard lifelong leaders in the
Democratic Coalition. Of course, they don't agree with me and
Donald Trump on every issue. We don't have to agree
on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American
First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences,
(01:25:33):
we had to argue about them, we ought to try
to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in
censorship at.
Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
An industrial scale.
Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
She did it during COVID, She's done it over a
number of other issues, and that, to me, is a
much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said
when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January
the sixth.
Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
Governor, Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there
was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to
miss speaking on things I think I might have with
the Senator. But he Mayer's one. There's one though, that
this one is troubling to me. And I say that
because I think we need to tell the story. Donald
Trump refused to acknowledge this, And the fact is is
that I don't think we can be the frog in
(01:26:13):
the pot and let the boiling water go up. He
was very clear, I mean he lost this election, and
he said he didn't. One hundred and forty police officers
were beaten at the capitol that day, some with the
American flag.
Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
Several later died. And it wasn't just in there.
Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds
in Saint Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's
residence and there may be casualties. The only person there
was my son and his dog, who was rushed out
crying by state police that issue, and Mike Pence standing
there as they were chanting, Hang Mike Pence.
Speaker 7 (01:26:46):
Mike Pence made the right decision. So Senator, it was
adjudicated over and over and over. I worked with kids
long enough to know, and I said, as a football coach,
sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is
bigger than winning an election hands and then you try
and do everything you can to help the other side win.
That's what was at stake here. Now.
Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
The thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that
imprisoning your political opponents already laying the groundwork for people
not accepting this. And a president's words matter. A president's
words matter, people hear that. So I think this issue
of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands
(01:27:28):
when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny
what happened on January sixth, the first time in American
history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a
fair election and the peaceful transfer of power. And here
we are four years later in the same boat. I
will tell you this that when this is over, we
(01:27:50):
need to shake hands this election and the winner needs
to be the winner.
Speaker 7 (01:27:54):
This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart.
Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Margaret Center advance, did you want to respond that, yeah, Well, look, Tim,
first of all, it's really rich for.
Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique
threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on
January the twentieth, as we have done for two hundred
and fifty years in this country. We are going to
shake hands after this debate and after this election, And
of course I hope that we win, and I think
we're going to win. But if Tim Wats is the
next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my
best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it,
(01:28:28):
But we have to remember that for years in this country,
Democrats protest to the results of elections. Hillary Clinton in
twenty sixteen said that Donald Trump had the election stolen
by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like five hundred
thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads. This has been going
on for a long time. And if we want to
say that we need to respect the results of the election,
(01:28:50):
I'm on board. But if we want to say, as
Tim Waalts is saying, that this is just a problem
that Republicans have had, I don't buy.
Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
That January sixth was not Facebook ad, and I think
of revisionist history on this look. I don't understand how
we got to this point, but the issue was that happened.
Donald Trump can do it, and all of us say
there's no place for this. It has massive repercussions. This
idea that their censorship to stop people from doing threatening
(01:29:18):
to kill someone, threatening to do something that's not censorship.
Censorship is book banning. We've seen that, we've seen that
brought up. I just think for everyone tonight, and I'm
going to thank Senator Vans, I think this is the
conversation they want to hear, and I think there's a
lot of agreement. This is one that we are miles
apart on. This was a threat to our democracy in
(01:29:40):
a way that we had not seen, and it manifested
itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say he is
still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just
ask to that, did he lose the twenty twenty election?
Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Tim? I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It's a damning non answer for you to not talk
about censorship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there
were problems in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
We've talked about it. I'm happy to talk about it further.
Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy,
the most sacred right under the United States, Democracy is
the first Amendment. You yourself have said, there's no First
Amendment right to misinformation. Kamala Harris wants to thread how
to be government and big tech to silence people from
speaking their minds. That is the threat to democracy that
(01:30:31):
will long outlive this present political moment. I would like
Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. Let's persuade one another,
Let's argue about ideas, and then let's come together afterwards.
Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
You can't yell fire in a crowded theaters. That's the test.
That's the Supreme Court tsk tim fire.
Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
In a crowded theater.
Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for
saying that Toddler shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Fire in a crowded theater.
Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is
the right of every American center.
Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
The governor does have the floor for one minute to
respond to you.
Speaker 7 (01:31:04):
Yeah, well, I don't run Facebook.
Speaker 6 (01:31:06):
What I do know is is I see a candidate
out there who refused and now again and this.
Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
I'm pretty shocked by this. He lost the election.
Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
This is not a debate, It's not anything anywhere other
than in Donald Trump's world. Because look when Mike Pence
made that decision to certify that election. That's why Mike
Pence isn't on this stage. What I'm concerned about is
where is the firewall with Donald Trump? Where is the
(01:31:36):
firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking
an election and his vice president's not going to stand
to it. That's what we're asking you, America. Will you
stand up? Will you keep your oath of office even
if the president doesn't. And I think Kamala Harris would agree.
She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I
(01:31:56):
would do that, because of course that's what we would do. Erica,
I think you've got a really clear choice on this
election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's
going to honor Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Governor, your time is up, Thank you, gentlemen. We will
be right back with both of our candidates. The CBS
News Vice Presidential Debate continues.
Speaker 8 (01:32:18):
You're listening to the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate on
KFI AM six forty. We'll have the candidates closing arguments
on the other side of this break.
Speaker 9 (01:32:26):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 8 (01:32:32):
Let's get to the closing statements from Minnesota Governor Tim
Wallas and Ohio Senators jd Vance.
Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
CBS News, and most importantly, thank you to all of
you if you're still up and the folks who miss
dancing with our stars. I appreciate it, but look, the
support of the democracy matters. It matters that you're here.
And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that
Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney
to Taylor Swift and a whole bunch of folks in
(01:32:58):
between there. And they don't all agree on everything, but
they are truly optimistic people. They believe in a positive
future of this country and one where our politics can
be better than it is. And I have to tell
you that better than it is is the sense of
optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works
(01:33:19):
for everyone, not just to get by, but to get ahead.
And the idea that freedom really means something, not the
freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room,
but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.
Speaker 7 (01:33:30):
Now, look, we all know who Donald Trump is.
Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
He's told us, and as Maya Angelos said, believe him
when he told you that his first inaugural dress talked
about American carnage, and then he sport spent four years
trying to maybe do that. Senator Vance tonight made it
clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda, he will
continue to push down that road.
Speaker 7 (01:33:52):
Excuse me, Kamala Harris gives us a different option. Now,
I'll have to.
Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
Tell you I'm going to be careful about the quotes,
but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate
with me. He said, Donald Trump makes the people I
care about afraid. A lot of America feels that way.
We don't need to be afraid. Franklin Roosevelt was right.
Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Alls.
Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
We have to fear is fear itself. Kamala Harris is
bringing us a new way forward. She's bringing us up
politics of joy, She's bringing real solutions for the middle class,
and she's centering you at the heart of that, all
the while asking everyone join this movement, make your voices heard.
Let's look for a new day where everybody gets that
(01:34:31):
opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. I humbly
ask for your vote on November fifth for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
Governor Walls, thank you, Senator Vance. Your closing statement, well,
I want.
Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
To thank Governor Waltz, you folks at CBS, and of
course the American people for tuning in this evening and
one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.
And I remember when I was being raised by my
grandmother when she didn't have enough money to turn on
the heat some nights, because Ohio gets pretty cold at night,
and because money was often very tight. And I believe,
as a person who wants to be your next vice president,
(01:35:03):
that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where
every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be
able to turn on their heat.
Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
In the middle of a cold winter night.
Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
I believe that, whether you're rich or poor, you ought
to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. I believe that,
whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able
to afford to buy a house. You ought to be
able to live in safe neighborhoods. You ought to not
have your communities flooded with fentanyl, and that too, has
(01:35:33):
gotten harder with because of Kamala Harris's policies. Now, I've
been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris
does when she stands before the American people and says
that on day one she's going to work on all
these challenges I just listed.
Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Day one was fourteen hundred days ago, and her policies
have made these problems worse.
Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Now. I believe that we have the most beautiful country
in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford
food but have the grace and generosity to ask me
how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for
my family. What that has taught me is that we
have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most
incredible people anywhere in the world. But they're not going
to be able to achieve their full dreams with the
(01:36:21):
broken leadership that we have in Washington. They're not going
to be able to live their American dream if we
do the same thing that we've been doing for the
last three and a half years.
Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
We need change, We need a new direction. We need a.
Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
President who has already done this once before and did
it well. Please vote for Donald Trump, And whether you
vote for me or vote for Tim Wallace, I just
want to say I'm so proud to be doing this
and I'm written for you, God bless you, and good night.
Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
Center Vance, thank you and thank you both for participating
in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle.
I'm Margaret Brennan and.
Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
I'm Nora o'donnelld And a reminder, there are just thirty
five days until election day. Please out and vote, and
for all of us here at CBS News, thank you
and good night.
Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
K I am six forty years later with mo Kelly
as we take over and pick up our coverage of
that vice presidential debate and arguably most likely it's the last,
i'll say debate between the candidacies, either presidential or vice presidential.
And here's just some thoughts I had off the top.
(01:37:26):
That debate was surprisingly tame and dare I say normal,
I mean normal in you know what we used to
think of normal normal in a pre twenty sixteen cents.
It wasn't full of name calling, wasn't full of insults.
They weren't like mocking glayers and ridiculous quips about immigrants
(01:37:48):
eating cats and dogs. It was none of that. It
was virtually no snark. They acknowledged when they agreed with
each other, they highlighted how they disagreed with the each other.
It was respectful. Hell, it was damn near downright civil.
Didn't see that coming. It was actually, for me, reminiscent
(01:38:09):
of the competition or marketplace of ideas of yesteryear. Now,
don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean that we have
now gone back to that. I'm saying this debate on
this evening seem like we went back to that time
for an hour and a half. But here's something else.
(01:38:31):
Did it change anybody's mind? Think about that for a moment.
Did it change your mind? No, and I don't think
it changed anybody's mind. I'm not going to lie to you,
and I don't want you to lie to me because
I don't believe in the existence of this supposed undecided voter.
We got what thirty six days until the election? Come on, now,
(01:38:54):
anyone really undecided? I mean, I don't believe in that
person actually existing. I mean, I believe in UFOs, I
believe in ghosts, I believe in Santa Claus send it
to the theory, yep, still do. But I don't believe
in the undecided voter. Because the undecided voter has actually decided.
They just don't want to say publicly that they've decided.
(01:39:15):
Maybe they're ashamed of who they're actually going to vote for,
and they're going to hide it and then lie after
they come out of the voting booth. I don't know,
but I don't believe that they're sitting on some imaginary
fence where the wind could blow that voter one side
or to the other side, and tonight could have been
that wind which will blown them to one side or
the other. No, let's not kid ourselves, but I was
(01:39:39):
taking copious notes of the expansive topics that they managed
to cover, and if there's anything positive which can be
said about the debate itself, and I'm not going to
get too bogged down in the policy ideas because there's
only so deep you can go, and the fact check
(01:40:00):
is going to be tomorrow, and none of y'all care
about the fact check, So it's about presentation and style
for the most part. But here are the topics that
they did manage to cover. They talked about the Iran
strike today and how that relates to Middle East foreign policy,
because let's not forget these vice presidential candidates presumably presumably
(01:40:22):
could become president in any given circumstance. Hurricane Helene talked
about that with respect to climate change and energy production.
There was the fentanyl crisis, which was i'll say dovetailed
into immigration reform, and I think that was Senator Vance's
strongest moment on the night. I'll come back to that
(01:40:45):
as far as his overall performance. They got into inflation
with respect to the larger economics picture. Of course, there
was the Roe v. Wade overturned during the Trump administration
and what that means for reproductive rights legislation in the
next presidential administration, whether it be Kamala Harris or Donald Trump.
(01:41:08):
They even got into the parents of the school shooter
convicted of involuntary manslaughter and used that as a jumping
off point for gun control slash gun rights. And it
was very tame. It was very respectful that they didn't
get into the hyperbole that we were accustomed to seeing
and hearing. They also got into use of federal land
(01:41:31):
and how that might be used in the future. Of course,
they hit the normal stuff. When I say the normal stuff,
the stuff that you always hear about, like healthcare, and
they got into the concepts of the plan that Donald
Trump had talked talked about in the presidential debate, and
I noticed that Jade Vance didn't really answer that particular question,
(01:41:52):
but he was very adept at how he didn't answer
that question paid leave families in America the child tax credit,
and that also referred back to a previous answer that
Donald Trump had made about the child tax credit or
the cost of childcare more broadly. Now, I believe Tim
(01:42:16):
Walls's strongest moment was near the end where they were
talking about the fighting the twenty twenty election results. Again,
if you saw this debate, it looked very different from
if you just heard the debate. If you saw the debate,
I think you saw visually a very disciplined and practiced
(01:42:39):
and I mean this in a complimentary sense. Disciplined and
practiced jd Vance looking at the camera talking to America,
very composed, very reason and the pacing of his answers
you could tell that he is a very skilled debater.
Say what you want about the content of his answers,
but he was very skilled in his oral presentation. And
(01:43:03):
I thought for the better part of the night, Tim
Walls was not as smooth, but he's never been a
smooth talker in that regard. So it comes down to
styles and preferences. But the one time I thought Tim
Walls did come alive and the visuals helped him was
in the near the end where they were talking about
fighting the twenty twenty election results, and Tim Walls, I
(01:43:25):
think was off the slogans off off. I'll say the
teleprompter answers in the sense of the practicing, because all
of these answers are prefabricated for the most part, and
was just talking and responding, and I think that answer
from him resonated more than his other answers. But let's
draw back in a few minutes before we go to
(01:43:47):
break the whole idea of a vice presidential debate and
its importance or lack thereof. Let's look back in history,
because I was thinking about this during the debate. Did
Sarah Palin swing the election for Barack Obama? She had
an impact. I don't know how much. I tend to
think that Barack Obama's candidacy and the coalition that he
(01:44:10):
built and the enthusiasm meant more than Sarah Palin. I mean,
she mattered, but I don't know how much. Did Joe
Biden win that election in two thousand and eight for
Barack Obama?
Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
No No.
Speaker 8 (01:44:24):
Did Paul Ryan lose it for Mitt Romney in twenty twelve?
Probably not. Did Joe Biden again win it for Obama
in twenty twelve?
Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:44:36):
Did Tim Kaine lose the election for Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
No?
Speaker 8 (01:44:41):
Pretty sure Hillary lost that all by herself. Or did
Mike Pince become the reason that Donald Trump won in
twenty sixteen. I don't think anyone would would say that, right.
I mean, he was just there And I was talking
about this with t Wallas, Like, the vice presidential candidate,
especially in a debate, is just do no harm, don't
(01:45:03):
do anything which could torpedo the candidacy or the person
at the top of the ticket. And we may remember
bits and pieces of the vice presidential debate, but I
don't know, other than maybe Lloyd Benson and his quip
you know you're no Jack Kennedy, I don't know of
any real major vice president presidential excuse me, vice presidential
(01:45:26):
debate moments which mattered when it came down to presidential politics.
I mean, even more recently, was Vice President Pence the
negative weight which threw the election to Joe Biden. Did
Kamala Harris win it for Joe Biden back in twenty twenty.
I don't think so, because people were much more concerned
(01:45:47):
with Donald Trump, either voting for him or voting against him.
Because just from my personal review thinking about this the
past hour and a half, in every previous instance, I
would argue, I would say the VP probably did not
swing any election. And I don't think in this instance
either JD. Vans or Tim Wallas will be the difference maker.
(01:46:09):
People are voting for or against Donald Trump. People are
voting four or against Kamala Harris. And I'm not disregarding
the news cycle importance of certain topics and remarks such
as Haitian immigrants, immigrants eating cats and dogs. I'm not
disregarding that. I'm saying that's not gonna be the election decider.
(01:46:31):
It's gonna be Donald Trump, or it's gonna be Kamala Harris.
As far as the motivating force behind people's votes, yes,
the VP is the proverbial heart beat away. But this election,
this is I would say, this is twenty twenty part two,
where if you didn't like Donald Trump in twenty twenty,
(01:46:53):
you damn sure're not gonna like him in twenty twenty four,
and you're gonna vote accordingly, and if you love Donald
Trump twenty twenty, you damn sure most likely going to
vote for him in twenty twenty four. How that's going
to play out on election Day is anybody's guests. But
I'm inclined to believe that it won't be about Tim
Walls and it won't be about JD. Vance. And always
(01:47:16):
I'm always asked who won the debate? Who won the debate?
And I hate giving the same answer, but the same
answer is applicable every single time. It's relative to who
gains after the debate, and tomorrow we'll know who got
the bump in polling, Well there's probably your winner. Who
(01:47:37):
got the fundraising bump, Well there's probably your winner. And
I was yeah, I was talking to Toualla. We were
going back and forth during the debate. There wasn't a
lot of material in this debate for SNL to work with.
Unlike this last Saturday they had all sorts of material.
This one there wasn't a lot, And for me that's good.
(01:48:00):
That meant that we were kind of getting some sense
of normality with these debates. There won't be a lot
of juicy YouTube clips. But the good news is a
policy debate is usually pretty boring. They're not meant to
be television spectaculars. It's only in recent years that we've
come to think of them as that because politics has
(01:48:22):
turned into a blood sport. Politics has turned into something
which is more theatrical and less about actual policy. But stylistically,
I think jd. Vance did very well, very well as
far as how he comported himself, how he gave a
reasoned and measured argument to what he was trying to
(01:48:46):
portray as the Republican message. The fact checkers will probably
find a lot of things wrong with what he said,
and it's not for me to say. I'm just telling
you there are some things that were really problematic in
what he said, But most people are not looking for
the specifics, they're looking for the style in a debate.
Watching it, Tim Walls, he doesn't come across well or
(01:49:09):
as well as I think people would hope on TV.
His facial expressions, some of his mannerisms and idio secrecies
don't do well in a debate like this, and you'll
probably hear about that as far as the analysis or
whatever is going on in the spin room. But that's
what I think about today's VP debate. Tomorrow you'll see
wherever it gets the better end of the polling and
(01:49:32):
also the fundraising, Well, there will be your winner. It's
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