January 27, 2025 • 30 mins
Mike Brown, former FEMA Director under President Bush talks about state of FEMA // Mike Brown on how FEMA will assist with So Cal Fire disasters // Mike Brown, former FEMA Director under President Bush // Football Playoff Chat
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's KFI AM six forty and you're listening to the
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It's Monday. We are together again on the radio ding dong.
Over the weekend. You may have saw one of our
posts that got a huge amount of action there. It's
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the the rain. I was driving through the rain back
from Camillo and Ventura back to LA and man I
got walloped on the freeway there by that rain. No,
we'll discuss all that later, but first, a guy that's
been in news for a long long time used to
run FEMA for the Bush Administration's name is Michael Brown
and he is with us. Michael Brown, how you, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Tim to you?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
By the way, Hey listen, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Know.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I was a big fan of George W. Bush. I'll
tell you a quick story then we'll get into FEMA.
But Bob Newhart was in Washington, d C. And this
is a week before the Iraq War, and he was
supposed to meet with you know, He's supposed to a
show there presentation and then go to the Oval Office
to meet to meet George Bush. And so George Bush
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got winn that he was traveling with my dad, so
it was Tim Conway and Bob Newhart traveling together, and
he invited both of them to the White House and
literally one week before that war broke out, which he
had a lot on his plate, a lot of going on,
he sat with them for three hours in the Oval
office and just talked about old TV shows. He knew everybody,
he knew of the cast members, but he couldn't have
been a nicer gentleman to my dad and Bob Newhart.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, and you know what, that doesn't surprise me, because one,
I mean, who wouldn't want to sit down with your
dad and Bob Newhart for three nights? I mean, who
wouldn't want to do that? That's much before you're going
to go into war. What better way than that of
steam than the three of them to talk. I mean,
that's a great story.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Hey, So how long did you run FEMA? How long
were you in charge of FEMA?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, I was. I started down as a general counsel
and then I actually became the under Secretary of homemand
Security probably gosh. I started in two thousand and one
and left. I officially left government service in like January
of two thousand and six. So I was there for
almost a little over five years.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And how did you, I mean, what propelled you into
that job? Did you know George W. Bush before he
got into office or is that something he picked you
up on his radar?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now? I actually I knew him when he was a governor,
and I knew him when he was governor of Texas
because one of my best friends from college days was
his dewinatorial campaign manager, then his chief of staff, and
then then then was the presidential campaign manager in the
first campaign. Oh, I say, how we all got connected together?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, So now cut to Donald Trump. He was here
in Los Angeles last week saying that FEMA should be disbanded.
FEMA is terrible, and I think he's talking about the
upper management, maybe because my sister who's dealing with FEMA
because she got burned out of her apartment in Malibu,
she said, they're really proactive there, the most beautiful people
she's ever worked with. They respond quickly that you can
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get them on the phone easily, and they save her life.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah. I'll tell you for every story like that one,
there's another story that is I can't get through on
the phone line or you know, people are already stressed out.
I mean, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure that your
sister's in shock and she's having to deal with all
of this. Well, she's dealing with it. Fortunately she's got
some good people to deal with. But you know, in
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another disaster, there'll be a horror story where things don't
go well and they don't get what they were expecting.
And I think that Dema's one of those places where
you're danned if you do and damned if you don't,
and no matter what you do, they're gonna just as
they did with me, they came at you from both
sides because of what you did do or because of
what you didn't do. I mean, it's a fascinating place to.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Work, right, but that was a very difficult job that
you had. I mean, look Malibu and Pacific Palisades, Alta,
Dina and the and they eat and fire. You know,
these these towns are not still underwater. I mean New
Orleans was underwater for months.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well for months plus. I was there long enough that
the Cedar fire, which was down in the San Diego area,
that took up you know, six weeks to several months
in my time because that was and I never like
to compare disasters, but that was on a scale of
what we see in la uh, you know. And it
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was hitting you know, poor areas, rural areas. That was
hitting some of the suburbs. I remember Ray Crooks, you know,
the founder of McDonald's. His widow lived well of the
subdivisions that they got hit. And so you you, you
have all these disasters, and they all had their unique personalities,
they all have their unique needs. And what you try
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to do is as the directors, is to tell your
staff and the people that are in the field, look,
you and the people in the field are usually wonderful people.
You just tell them, look, you do what's the right
thing to do. And I always told my staff, I'm
the one whose butt will get hauled before Congress because
you did do something. You broke a rule, or you
bend or rule or whatever. I said, you just go
do that and let me take the heat for bending
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a rule. And they were really good at that. But
FEMA gets when you think about all the constituencies that
FEMA has to deal with, it is it's just a
thankless job. You you know. My direct boss was the
freaking president of the United States. At the same time,
I had five hundred and thirty five members of Congress
watched what I did. I had fifty governors. Every governor
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had you know, every state has you know, two senators,
so I have two senators. And then other than maybe Wyoming,
you've got, you know, like California, you've got thirty eight
some congressman to deal with. Then on top of that,
you got mayors, You've got city councilmen, county commissioners. So
it's a it's a highly charged political position that no
matter what you do, at some point you're going to
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criticize and meat over the head for it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So in your tutor opinion, you ran you know, FEMA again,
Mike Brown's with US ran FEMA under the Bush administration.
Do you think that FEMA should be disbanded they should
just give the money to individual states that need it.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well, my position's always been, look, if you wanted to,
if Congress really wanted to disband that they could. But
Congress will never want to do that because remember that
hierarchy I just described for you, with you know, five
nine and thirty five members of Congress and fifty governors,
all of that. They all have a vested interest because
they want things done their way, and so I don't
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think that it's an issue of getting rid of FEMA,
although I can make the case of that. I think
the real issue and the real problem that I had was,
you know, the President appointed me to be on the
transition team. I was one of five members of this
team that people are going to screen that way. Can
I say this, but I was one of the five
members that created the Department of Homeland Security. It was
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not created in our vision because when the first secretary
came in, they redid everything. And I think the smartest
thing that Congress could do is to pull THEMA out
of that gigantic bureaucracy that is DHS. DHS is a
total waste of money in time.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So if you had you know your brothers, if you
had you know your way, you would make FEMA perhaps
a cabinet position, maybe a secretary.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yes, because in the Clinton administration, James lee Witt, who
was the THEEMA director at the time, was a formal
member of the cabinet. And that's really important. Even though
I had direct access to the President, I wasn't necessarily
in cabinet meetings unless I was invited to a cabinet meeting.
The reason that's important is in a disaster, the THEMA
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director who's acting on behalf of the president as the authority,
both the legal authority, the budget authority, every authority you
can possibly imagine to, for example, the Secretary of Defense,
I need five black Hawk helicopters in Pacific Palisades, and
the Secretary of Defense would do that. That's prior to
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DHS post DHS. Instead of me telling the Secretary of Defense,
I would have to tell a budget person in Homeland Security,
I need Blackhawk helicopters. They would then run that up
the chain in DHS, who the DHS secretary would then
send it over to the Pentagon and they'd run it
up the chain. Well, I need a Blackhawk helicopters. You
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know this afternoon. By the time everything goes back and
forth in DC, it's tomorrow afternoon, and that's too late,
and that causes problems. And that's why I think FEMA
needs to be pulled out and be independent.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Mike, I have a billion questions. Can you stay another segment?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Ah? At the best, All right, Mike Brown is with
it's the head of FEMA under the Bush administration. When
we come back, I want to ask them about the
you know, they clean up here in southern California. Joe
Biden promised to to pay for one hundred percent of it.
Now it sounds like FEMA and the government only want
to pay seventy five percent of it, and twenty five
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percent of it would be on the backs of US
taxpayers in the state of California. So I'll ask him
when we come back, what's the real number there? It's
Conway Show. Mike Brown used to run femas with us.
It's a big guest.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Mike Brown is with us, the former head of FEMA,
also the author of Deadly Indifference, The Perfect Storm, and
he is with us. Mike, welcome back to the program here. Hey,
So President Biden had promised to pay for one hundred
percent of the cleanup around here, and now there's some
rumors going around that the FEDS will pay for seventy
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five percent and we'll be on the hook here for
twenty five percent. Is there any truth to that?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There may or may not be, So let me explain
whether may or may not be. FEMA has agreed to
pay one hundred percent of the cost of debris removal
and all the emergency protecting measures in a program called
public the Public Assistance Program, And there's two parts to it,
and one of those parts is debris removal. And debris
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removal from FEMA's point of view, is everything that gets
stuffed off a private piece of property onto the public
easement and then all public areas like you know, a school,
a hospital, a bridge, a highway, a park, you know,
any sort of public facility that is owned by the taxpayers.
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So they're gonna pay for one hundred percent of that
debris removal. Well, some of the issue might be what
does an individual have to do. Well, an individual is
probably going to have to get as much of that
debris from their burned at home either you know, onto
a roll off that's going to be you know, on
the sidewalk or on the street or somewhere on the
public right of way, so that that then gets hauled off,
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but they won't actually pay for the homeowner to do
the moving of that debris where the home is now.
I pumption everyone that there may be an exception made
in the presidentially in the disaster declaration itself, which would
cover the debris removal on private property. I would find
that to be unusual. So yes, it's one hundred percent
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of all the debris that has to be moved so
that you can clear roadways, you can clear the side.
Any public easement, okay, that way, any public easement.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And there's also some chatter going around that if you
raise money on GoFundMe, and in the description of your
fundraising it says to help me out after the fires
have burned me out of my house, that some of
that money may have to be paid back to FEMA.
If you're also getting FEMA assistants.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
That's that kind of chatter. Doesn't surprise me, because here's
a general rule to follow. Any money that you get
that helps reimburse your costs, like insurance insurance the most
common form that you would get reimbursed that goes into
thema's accounting of how much you might get paid by
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FEMA to help with the temporary housing. For example, if
so if if your homeowner's insurance provides you X number
of dollars to go rent a hotel room or an
apartment or something while you're trying to rebuild, then THEMA
is not going to let you double dip and take
money from your insurance and from them too, I think,
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so it's they're all of these. I would tell everybody
this just as a general rule, low your expectations because
FEMA doesn't really pay a whole lot when it comes
to helping rebuild a home or replacing your clothes and
your dishware, and you know, your TV and stereo system
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and everything is you know, I mean having seen these
homes that get burned in wildflowers all over the country,
I know that everything is destroyed. Well, if your homeowner
doesn't pay for that, team is going to give you
some reimbursement, but you're going to look at that amount
and literally spit out laughing because it's not going to
be anywhere near enough. The other general statement I would
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make is this FEMA cannot legally and will not make
you whole. So if your insurance pays, Let's see, you
have a million dollar home and your insurance coverage is
going to be three quarters of a million, TEAMA is
not going to give you that two hundred fifty thousand
dollars delta between what the insurance company pays, and when
it costs you to rebuild your home, that's not going
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to happen. So I would just encourage people to lower
their expectations because some of the dollar amounts that FEMA
is allowed to give out people will actually find offensive.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, I heard that the maximum amount is a little
over forty three thousand dollars. The max.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That will depend on the total costs of a disaster,
taking me into account debris removal, recovery costs, you know,
even things like you know, when either the governor, when
either NUSOM or bath either one invoke mutual lid agreements
and firefighters come from all parts of the state and
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then come from all parts of the country. Those are
costs that THEME is going to reimburse to the state
and to the city and County of la Because if
we send firefighters where I live, say in Colorado, to California,
which we do, then we have to backfill those positions
in Colorado because we still have to provide firefighting services
to Colorado's So we pay Colorado for some of that
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overtime and backfill costs that we incur because of fire
in California. I know this sounds really complicated, but there's
all those formulas that kick in that determine eventually how
much is an individual going to get under the individual
assistance programs and those cannot those can be fightful amounts
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compared to the losses that some people have.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Mike brownswellus, he was they had a FEMA during Katrina.
Was it easy to get George W. Bush on the
phone when when you were dealing with Katrina?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh so sextually easy. That's great that he was a
very good, very good to work with. And one reason
why they didn't like me in DC is because I
believed in the old FEMA. So if I needed to
talk to Bush about something I didn't, I just, you know,
I just went around the chain of command and went
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straight to the White House because that's what I've always
done prior to DHS, and so that's what I would
That's what I would be doing now if I were
running FEMA now. And you know, Secretary Tom Ridge, who
was the original first Secretary of Homeland Security, was a
former governor of Pennsylvania and at Bush, being the former
governor of Texas, also knew how FEMA worked prior to DHS,
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so they never minded me going around, you know, the
chain of commands because they understood that's how it worked.
But post DHS, if someone were to do that today,
they'd probably get in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know, that must have been a very complicated issue
with Katrina. I remember you guys had a couple of
cruise ships, you know, to call a cruise line and
say throw everybody off, we need that ship for a
month or so, must have been extremely complicated and very costly.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Very costly. And then what was infuriating about that was
I reached out to a friend of mine whose name
happens to be Jeff Bush, who was the governor of Florida,
and said, can you put me in contact with some
of the cruise line CEOs to help me you negotiate disagreement,
and then we bring them into the Gulf of Mexico
so that they are Gulf of America, I suppose to say,
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so that they can use them in Mississippi and Louisiana.
And then all hell breaks loose because some of the
people that are really race oriented don't think that we should,
you know, put people from the lower ninth ward on
the cruise ships, because that has a bad appearance. Oh,
my God, compared to what they're doing now. I mean,
it really does become an incredibly complicated task to do anything,
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because everybody has in their own mind how they think
it ought to be wrong real quickly.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I use this term almost daily, if not weekly, in
our house, whenever I asked my wife to like she
made dinner or you know, she cleaned the house or whatever,
and it was an exceptional job. I still to this day,
even thirty years later, say, good job, Brownie.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's hard sometime sometime if you call me back sometime
and you have to, and I'll tell you the real
story behind that phrase. Wait, kay, Actually you can go
read it in that in my book Deadly Indifference.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Wait can you wait? Can you stay and tell us
that story real quick? Okay, all right, this is great.
I want to hear the origins of that story that
because I say it all the time to my wife,
Good job, Brownie. All right, Mike Brown's brothers the use
the former head of FEMA, and we'll come back. We'll
find out the origin of that story. This is gonna
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be a great story.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
am SI.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, everyone's talking about FEMA since all the fires started
here in early January. And we have one of the
guys who ran FEMA, Mike Brown for the Bush administration,
and I I still Mike, I still use this term,
and I'm this is a different version of it. This
is a George Bush talking about you.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You're doing a heck of a job, Brown You're doing
a heck of a job.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now I remember it is good job Brownie. Did I
am I misquoting him?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes? What what you just heard is what he said.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
O man, I gotta change what I say around the house.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Then you gotta get with the program. You're clean your
af though.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh man, hey, how did that come up? I know
you had a big meeting with George Bush. Flew down
to New Orleans to, you know, to get the first
hand account of what was going on. Is that when
he said.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That, Yes, so he flew in to remember, Katrina affected Florida, Alabama, Mississippi,
and Louisiana. So he flies in to Mississippi and we
have a meeting with Governor Hayley. We get on Marine one,
and my objective on Marine one was to explain to
him how bad things were in New Orleans because I
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had a governor who had no idea what she was doing.
I had a mayor that was so corrupt he actually
ended up in federal prison. Wow. And I needed to
explain to you know, euphemistically causing the boss behind his back.
And I needed to explain to the Boss that what
he was going to see in New Orleans was really
messed up, was really bad. But I couldn't do it
on Marine one because we had a couple of senators
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and a congressman on the plane with us, So I
couldn't I couldn't bad now in Louisiana on Marine one,
So I told the Press secretary as soon as we landed,
I said, as soon as we get to the Greenwood room,
I need at least ten minutes with the Boss to
explain to him what he's going to see in what
and why it is the way it is. So I
was assured that, you know, hey, we'll make sure there's time.
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When we get to the green room, I start to
explain to Bush what's going on with the mayor and
the governor, and the press is already waiting for us.
So the Press secretary calls us out before I can
explain to him what he's about to see. Now, standing
there waiting for us is the governor of Alabama, a
former congressman by the name of Bob Riley who was
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a friend of mine. And Bob right, we you know,
we were doing very good in the Mississippi and Alabama
because those governors knew how to deal with things. So
I'm explaining to Bush, and we've got a map in
front of us, and we're showing him everything's going on.
And Bob Riley speaks up. And remember I've not had
a chance to tell Bush a think about how bad
things are that he's going to see as soon as
you get back in Marine one. And Bob Riley turns
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and says, I want to thank FEMA because FEMA is
doing a great job Alabama. And Bush turns to me,
as he's prone to do. He's kind of a frat
boy in private, and he kind of slaps me in
the stomach and says, yeah, Brownie, and you're doing a
heck of a job, Brownie. And if you watch that
video closely, you'll see me win because I know, oh
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my god, now the press knows I have a nickname.
Very few of us had nicknames. Two the press knows
what I know about how things are not going well.
And Bush just made an idiot of himself by talking
about what a great job we're doing. And we're not
really doing a great job. We have all these problems.
So that's the real story behind it.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But that's a great story. But I remember, you know,
you went after Republicans and Democrats who made your job
miserable in the South. I mean, I think it was
Trent Lott. You went after a Hassard. Also Jesse Jackson
got involved as well.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yes, yes, Trent Lott. So I ordered the again this
is having the command of the White House. I ordered
the hospital ship, the USS Hope, to move into the
Gulf so that I can take it to Louisiana. Locke,
who is the Senate majority leader at the time, no,
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he wants it to go to Mississippi, and so he
and I have a public fight about it because, as
I tell him, the Army Corps engineer says that I
can't get that ship into the port of Biloxi, that
it won't fit, it's not deep enough. And so we
had this big public blow up. And I had just
reached the point where I'm sick and tired of these
people who don't know what they're doing, trying to interfere
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in the job that I'm trying to do on the
ground I don't care for. You're a US senator, Shut
up and sit down.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now, How did you like when you're running FEMA during Katrina,
which is a huge disaster. It was they double dipped
it hit Florida that went to the golf and you know,
hit the Mississippi Louisiana. It was horrible. How do how
do you actually pay for things? That is the promisory note?
You give them a credit card? Is a large bag
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of money dropped off at Princess Cruise? How do how
does the technic?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, we well it depends on who I'm paying. So
if I'm paying individuals, they may get a direct deposit,
they may get a debit card. If I'm paying the government,
they just end up, you know, they bill us and
then we just pay the bill. If I'm paying a
private company, it'll be the same thing. I'll submit a
contract and I'll submit you know, an invoice to my CFO,
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and then they'll pay the cruise lines and everybody gets reimbursed.
And that's why I have you know, I had you know,
it's like running a huge corporation.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, but you had billions, you must had billions of
dollars at your disposal.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well, well, for example, on nine to eleven, I had
upwards of sixty billion dollars available to me. During the Trina,
I had upwards of thirty billion dollars available to me. So, yes,
it's it's a it's a massive undertaking. And you have
to remember, while while I'm talking to you and you're
sitting in LA, they're still disastrous going on in other
parts of the country. So they're all of these things
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going on simultaneously. And during my tenure we have one
hundred and sixty presidentially declared disasters. It was I think
now it's the second busiest time of femos egs in
student tomawn. At that time it was the busiest time.
And so you're just working twenty four hours of day,
seven days a week.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Unbelievable. Mike, I really appreciate coming on and as you know,
as we you know, try to sort of navigate our
way through this here in southern California. I'd love to
check back with you anytime. You're the best. Good job, Brownie,
I got a change Now, that's not the saying. I
thought it was the saying forever I been telling my
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wife forever, good job, brownie, And that's not the saying.
It's not even close to that. Screw it up, I
got it now, change it all right all the time,
all the I thought it was good job brownie. All right.
We are live on kf I AM six forty five o'clock.
Alex Michaelson is coming on with us. That guy's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Hey, Cross, did you watch football over the weekend?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You watch two games? I caught some of the Chiefs
game yesterday. I was gonna watch the Eagles Commander's game.
That's just I can't let my heart do that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
The over under on that Eagles Commander's game was forty seven.
I don't know what they were thinking. Eagles scored fifty five. Man,
how about that having that over? You know by halftime
you're celebrating.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I would have done that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I would have bet on the over. I would have
bet a heartbeat to have Philly run over that team
too beat him by what thirty four? Thirty three? Thirty
two points whatever. Yeah, yeah, unbelievable. But they've got to
stop using a term. You know, it used to be
illegal for whenever the quarterback got the football or any
running back out the football, it was illegal to push
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him forward. And and the rule changed recently, I think
the last couple of years or so, and now they
when the quarterback gets the ball and he needs a yard,
he they called it the tush pushy. They've got to
stop using that. That's that's not a football real masculine
thing to keep saying the tush push it's yeah, yeah,
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it's horrible. It really is dumb.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's not any no masculine dude would say that phrase ordinarily, ever,
for any reason ever.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And I don't even like, I don't even when my
wife says, what is that? And I said, what is
what the thing they just said? I don't even say
it in the house. I said, they're trying to get
a yard and they call this thing they I don't know,
And she goes, yeah, the tush push That seems odd.
It seems oddly the name of a country line dance
or something. Yeah, it's a it's the line dancing, or
they should do it. They should use it in figure skating.
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You know when the guy puts her up on on
his hand, the tush push. That makes more sense, or
they should use my nickname from from high school, the
the bush Push. Oh boy, yeah, because we had we
had Oh I didn't tell you that story. We had.
I I was I was an a the audio visual
and they were gonna buy new shrubbery for the auditorium,
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and the guys that dropped him off for LAUSD they
dropped them off for the football field. So me and
another guy had to take those like carts or Dolly's
and we had to literally move fifty bushes from the
football field to the auditorium. And I got the name.
I got my nickname as the you know, the bush push.
Oh okay, yeah, it's kind of a cool name in
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high school. Okay, I enjoyed it. I can't stop. Yeah, yeah,
I can't stop watching Jackie in Shadow, the two eagles
who break our hearts every year because they produce eggs
and then you know, no eagles, no eaglets, but they're back.
You can watch them on YouTube. There's one Eagles sitting
there right now. I think it's the dude. Is that Shadow? Yeah,
(27:48):
Shadow's just sitting there on his egg, and now there's
two eggs. There was just one, now there's two. We
got two possible two eaglets coming. And if you're a
big fan of the it's like I am. They shut
the cameras off when they're pro creating. They shut the
cameras off when they're going at it. And so I
(28:11):
called up to Big Bear. We have a connection through
the station of the guy who run the camera. Okay, hey,
what's going on? Why would you shut that off when
you know they're they're getting it on? And he goes, oh,
we sold the rights to only fans for that, Like, okay,
that makes sense. I guess does the birds have their
own their own OnlyFans page? That's right, that's right. Yeah,
(28:34):
so you can watch them, you know, bang around. But
I think this will be the third season of no
uh no EAGLTZ. So I don't know if there's something
in the air up there, or you know, somebody shooting blanks.
I don't know what's going on, but maybe Shadow and
Jackie have to get different partners. Is that possible? Different
(28:56):
partners because they're not producing anything up there, They're just
in everybody's hearts and for these you know, second grader,
third graders who watch this, and then the eagles fly off.
Then you see the snakes come in or the other
birds come in and eat the eggs. That's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking,
and I don't like it. So I don't know what
(29:16):
the solution is. Maybe getting bigger, better partners, or just
plant the eggs, put chicken eggs up there that are
sure to hatch. But something's going on with it. I'm
watching right now. The sun's going down in Big Bear.
That's the audio. That's what shadows experience right now.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Are they both? Which ones?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They're both? I think the male I think I think
it's the guy that does the sitting. After she uh uh,
you know, drops a couple of eggs, I think she's out,
you know, flusing around with some other eagles. I don't
know what's going on, but you know, two days, three
days ago, that nest was perfectly empty. Now it's filled
(29:55):
with snow. The entire nest is now snow. You can
look at it on online. Just go to YouTube, yeah
and go to a big Bear bald eagle live nest,
or just if you put big Bear eagles that'll pop up.
That's a cool deal. All right, we'll come back. Alex
Michael Sin is coming on with us. Alex Michael Sin.
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That guy's great and so we'll have him on when
we come back. By the way, the Jackie in Shadow
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(30:40):
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It's Monday. We are together again on the radio ding dong.
Over the weekend. You may have saw one of our
posts that got a huge amount of action there. It's
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the the rain. I was driving through the rain back
from Camillo and Ventura back to LA and man I
got walloped on the freeway there by that rain. No,
we'll discuss all that later, but first, a guy that's
been in news for a long long time used to
run FEMA for the Bush Administration's name is Michael Brown
and he is with us. Michael Brown, how you, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Tim to you?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
By the way, Hey listen, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Know.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I was a big fan of George W. Bush. I'll
tell you a quick story then we'll get into FEMA.
But Bob Newhart was in Washington, d C. And this
is a week before the Iraq War, and he was
supposed to meet with you know, He's supposed to a
show there presentation and then go to the Oval Office
to meet to meet George Bush. And so George Bush
(01:10):
got winn that he was traveling with my dad, so
it was Tim Conway and Bob Newhart traveling together, and
he invited both of them to the White House and
literally one week before that war broke out, which he
had a lot on his plate, a lot of going on,
he sat with them for three hours in the Oval
office and just talked about old TV shows. He knew everybody,
he knew of the cast members, but he couldn't have
been a nicer gentleman to my dad and Bob Newhart.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, and you know what, that doesn't surprise me, because one,
I mean, who wouldn't want to sit down with your
dad and Bob Newhart for three nights? I mean, who
wouldn't want to do that? That's much before you're going
to go into war. What better way than that of
steam than the three of them to talk. I mean,
that's a great story.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Hey, So how long did you run FEMA? How long
were you in charge of FEMA?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, I was. I started down as a general counsel
and then I actually became the under Secretary of homemand
Security probably gosh. I started in two thousand and one
and left. I officially left government service in like January
of two thousand and six. So I was there for
almost a little over five years.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And how did you, I mean, what propelled you into
that job? Did you know George W. Bush before he
got into office or is that something he picked you
up on his radar?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now? I actually I knew him when he was a governor,
and I knew him when he was governor of Texas
because one of my best friends from college days was
his dewinatorial campaign manager, then his chief of staff, and
then then then was the presidential campaign manager in the
first campaign. Oh, I say, how we all got connected together?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, So now cut to Donald Trump. He was here
in Los Angeles last week saying that FEMA should be disbanded.
FEMA is terrible, and I think he's talking about the
upper management, maybe because my sister who's dealing with FEMA
because she got burned out of her apartment in Malibu,
she said, they're really proactive there, the most beautiful people
she's ever worked with. They respond quickly that you can
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get them on the phone easily, and they save her life.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah. I'll tell you for every story like that one,
there's another story that is I can't get through on
the phone line or you know, people are already stressed out.
I mean, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure that your
sister's in shock and she's having to deal with all
of this. Well, she's dealing with it. Fortunately she's got
some good people to deal with. But you know, in
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another disaster, there'll be a horror story where things don't
go well and they don't get what they were expecting.
And I think that Dema's one of those places where
you're danned if you do and damned if you don't,
and no matter what you do, they're gonna just as
they did with me, they came at you from both
sides because of what you did do or because of
what you didn't do. I mean, it's a fascinating place to.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Work, right, but that was a very difficult job that
you had. I mean, look Malibu and Pacific Palisades, Alta,
Dina and the and they eat and fire. You know,
these these towns are not still underwater. I mean New
Orleans was underwater for months.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well for months plus. I was there long enough that
the Cedar fire, which was down in the San Diego area,
that took up you know, six weeks to several months
in my time because that was and I never like
to compare disasters, but that was on a scale of
what we see in la uh, you know. And it
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was hitting you know, poor areas, rural areas. That was
hitting some of the suburbs. I remember Ray Crooks, you know,
the founder of McDonald's. His widow lived well of the
subdivisions that they got hit. And so you you, you
have all these disasters, and they all had their unique personalities,
they all have their unique needs. And what you try
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to do is as the directors, is to tell your
staff and the people that are in the field, look,
you and the people in the field are usually wonderful people.
You just tell them, look, you do what's the right
thing to do. And I always told my staff, I'm
the one whose butt will get hauled before Congress because
you did do something. You broke a rule, or you
bend or rule or whatever. I said, you just go
do that and let me take the heat for bending
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a rule. And they were really good at that. But
FEMA gets when you think about all the constituencies that
FEMA has to deal with, it is it's just a
thankless job. You you know. My direct boss was the
freaking president of the United States. At the same time,
I had five hundred and thirty five members of Congress
watched what I did. I had fifty governors. Every governor
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had you know, every state has you know, two senators,
so I have two senators. And then other than maybe Wyoming,
you've got, you know, like California, you've got thirty eight
some congressman to deal with. Then on top of that,
you got mayors, You've got city councilmen, county commissioners. So
it's a it's a highly charged political position that no
matter what you do, at some point you're going to
(06:01):
criticize and meat over the head for it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So in your tutor opinion, you ran you know, FEMA again,
Mike Brown's with US ran FEMA under the Bush administration.
Do you think that FEMA should be disbanded they should
just give the money to individual states that need it.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well, my position's always been, look, if you wanted to,
if Congress really wanted to disband that they could. But
Congress will never want to do that because remember that
hierarchy I just described for you, with you know, five
nine and thirty five members of Congress and fifty governors,
all of that. They all have a vested interest because
they want things done their way, and so I don't
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think that it's an issue of getting rid of FEMA,
although I can make the case of that. I think
the real issue and the real problem that I had was,
you know, the President appointed me to be on the
transition team. I was one of five members of this
team that people are going to screen that way. Can
I say this, but I was one of the five
members that created the Department of Homeland Security. It was
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not created in our vision because when the first secretary
came in, they redid everything. And I think the smartest
thing that Congress could do is to pull THEMA out
of that gigantic bureaucracy that is DHS. DHS is a
total waste of money in time.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So if you had you know your brothers, if you
had you know your way, you would make FEMA perhaps
a cabinet position, maybe a secretary.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yes, because in the Clinton administration, James lee Witt, who
was the THEEMA director at the time, was a formal
member of the cabinet. And that's really important. Even though
I had direct access to the President, I wasn't necessarily
in cabinet meetings unless I was invited to a cabinet meeting.
The reason that's important is in a disaster, the THEMA
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director who's acting on behalf of the president as the authority,
both the legal authority, the budget authority, every authority you
can possibly imagine to, for example, the Secretary of Defense,
I need five black Hawk helicopters in Pacific Palisades, and
the Secretary of Defense would do that. That's prior to
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DHS post DHS. Instead of me telling the Secretary of Defense,
I would have to tell a budget person in Homeland Security,
I need Blackhawk helicopters. They would then run that up
the chain in DHS, who the DHS secretary would then
send it over to the Pentagon and they'd run it
up the chain. Well, I need a Blackhawk helicopters. You
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know this afternoon. By the time everything goes back and
forth in DC, it's tomorrow afternoon, and that's too late,
and that causes problems. And that's why I think FEMA
needs to be pulled out and be independent.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Mike, I have a billion questions. Can you stay another segment?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Ah? At the best, All right, Mike Brown is with
it's the head of FEMA under the Bush administration. When
we come back, I want to ask them about the
you know, they clean up here in southern California. Joe
Biden promised to to pay for one hundred percent of it.
Now it sounds like FEMA and the government only want
to pay seventy five percent of it, and twenty five
(09:07):
percent of it would be on the backs of US
taxpayers in the state of California. So I'll ask him
when we come back, what's the real number there? It's
Conway Show. Mike Brown used to run femas with us.
It's a big guest.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Mike Brown is with us, the former head of FEMA,
also the author of Deadly Indifference, The Perfect Storm, and
he is with us. Mike, welcome back to the program here. Hey,
So President Biden had promised to pay for one hundred
percent of the cleanup around here, and now there's some
rumors going around that the FEDS will pay for seventy
(09:50):
five percent and we'll be on the hook here for
twenty five percent. Is there any truth to that?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There may or may not be, So let me explain
whether may or may not be. FEMA has agreed to
pay one hundred percent of the cost of debris removal
and all the emergency protecting measures in a program called
public the Public Assistance Program, And there's two parts to it,
and one of those parts is debris removal. And debris
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removal from FEMA's point of view, is everything that gets
stuffed off a private piece of property onto the public
easement and then all public areas like you know, a school,
a hospital, a bridge, a highway, a park, you know,
any sort of public facility that is owned by the taxpayers.
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So they're gonna pay for one hundred percent of that
debris removal. Well, some of the issue might be what
does an individual have to do. Well, an individual is
probably going to have to get as much of that
debris from their burned at home either you know, onto
a roll off that's going to be you know, on
the sidewalk or on the street or somewhere on the
public right of way, so that that then gets hauled off,
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but they won't actually pay for the homeowner to do
the moving of that debris where the home is now.
I pumption everyone that there may be an exception made
in the presidentially in the disaster declaration itself, which would
cover the debris removal on private property. I would find
that to be unusual. So yes, it's one hundred percent
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of all the debris that has to be moved so
that you can clear roadways, you can clear the side.
Any public easement, okay, that way, any public easement.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And there's also some chatter going around that if you
raise money on GoFundMe, and in the description of your
fundraising it says to help me out after the fires
have burned me out of my house, that some of
that money may have to be paid back to FEMA.
If you're also getting FEMA assistants.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
That's that kind of chatter. Doesn't surprise me, because here's
a general rule to follow. Any money that you get
that helps reimburse your costs, like insurance insurance the most
common form that you would get reimbursed that goes into
thema's accounting of how much you might get paid by
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FEMA to help with the temporary housing. For example, if
so if if your homeowner's insurance provides you X number
of dollars to go rent a hotel room or an
apartment or something while you're trying to rebuild, then THEMA
is not going to let you double dip and take
money from your insurance and from them too, I think,
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so it's they're all of these. I would tell everybody
this just as a general rule, low your expectations because
FEMA doesn't really pay a whole lot when it comes
to helping rebuild a home or replacing your clothes and
your dishware, and you know, your TV and stereo system
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and everything is you know, I mean having seen these
homes that get burned in wildflowers all over the country,
I know that everything is destroyed. Well, if your homeowner
doesn't pay for that, team is going to give you
some reimbursement, but you're going to look at that amount
and literally spit out laughing because it's not going to
be anywhere near enough. The other general statement I would
(13:22):
make is this FEMA cannot legally and will not make
you whole. So if your insurance pays, Let's see, you
have a million dollar home and your insurance coverage is
going to be three quarters of a million, TEAMA is
not going to give you that two hundred fifty thousand
dollars delta between what the insurance company pays, and when
it costs you to rebuild your home, that's not going
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to happen. So I would just encourage people to lower
their expectations because some of the dollar amounts that FEMA
is allowed to give out people will actually find offensive.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, I heard that the maximum amount is a little
over forty three thousand dollars. The max.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That will depend on the total costs of a disaster,
taking me into account debris removal, recovery costs, you know,
even things like you know, when either the governor, when
either NUSOM or bath either one invoke mutual lid agreements
and firefighters come from all parts of the state and
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then come from all parts of the country. Those are
costs that THEME is going to reimburse to the state
and to the city and County of la Because if
we send firefighters where I live, say in Colorado, to California,
which we do, then we have to backfill those positions
in Colorado because we still have to provide firefighting services
to Colorado's So we pay Colorado for some of that
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overtime and backfill costs that we incur because of fire
in California. I know this sounds really complicated, but there's
all those formulas that kick in that determine eventually how
much is an individual going to get under the individual
assistance programs and those cannot those can be fightful amounts
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compared to the losses that some people have.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Mike brownswellus, he was they had a FEMA during Katrina.
Was it easy to get George W. Bush on the
phone when when you were dealing with Katrina?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh so sextually easy. That's great that he was a
very good, very good to work with. And one reason
why they didn't like me in DC is because I
believed in the old FEMA. So if I needed to
talk to Bush about something I didn't, I just, you know,
I just went around the chain of command and went
(15:37):
straight to the White House because that's what I've always
done prior to DHS, and so that's what I would
That's what I would be doing now if I were
running FEMA now. And you know, Secretary Tom Ridge, who
was the original first Secretary of Homeland Security, was a
former governor of Pennsylvania and at Bush, being the former
governor of Texas, also knew how FEMA worked prior to DHS,
(15:58):
so they never minded me going around, you know, the
chain of commands because they understood that's how it worked.
But post DHS, if someone were to do that today,
they'd probably get in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know, that must have been a very complicated issue
with Katrina. I remember you guys had a couple of
cruise ships, you know, to call a cruise line and
say throw everybody off, we need that ship for a
month or so, must have been extremely complicated and very costly.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Very costly. And then what was infuriating about that was
I reached out to a friend of mine whose name
happens to be Jeff Bush, who was the governor of Florida,
and said, can you put me in contact with some
of the cruise line CEOs to help me you negotiate disagreement,
and then we bring them into the Gulf of Mexico
so that they are Gulf of America, I suppose to say,
(16:43):
so that they can use them in Mississippi and Louisiana.
And then all hell breaks loose because some of the
people that are really race oriented don't think that we should,
you know, put people from the lower ninth ward on
the cruise ships, because that has a bad appearance. Oh,
my God, compared to what they're doing now. I mean,
it really does become an incredibly complicated task to do anything,
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because everybody has in their own mind how they think
it ought to be wrong real quickly.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I use this term almost daily, if not weekly, in
our house, whenever I asked my wife to like she
made dinner or you know, she cleaned the house or whatever,
and it was an exceptional job. I still to this day,
even thirty years later, say, good job, Brownie.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's hard sometime sometime if you call me back sometime
and you have to, and I'll tell you the real
story behind that phrase. Wait, kay, Actually you can go
read it in that in my book Deadly Indifference.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Wait can you wait? Can you stay and tell us
that story real quick? Okay, all right, this is great.
I want to hear the origins of that story that
because I say it all the time to my wife,
Good job, Brownie. All right, Mike Brown's brothers the use
the former head of FEMA, and we'll come back. We'll
find out the origin of that story. This is gonna
(18:06):
be a great story.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
am SI.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, everyone's talking about FEMA since all the fires started
here in early January. And we have one of the
guys who ran FEMA, Mike Brown for the Bush administration,
and I I still Mike, I still use this term,
and I'm this is a different version of it. This
is a George Bush talking about you.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You're doing a heck of a job, Brown You're doing
a heck of a job.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now I remember it is good job Brownie. Did I
am I misquoting him?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes? What what you just heard is what he said.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
O man, I gotta change what I say around the house.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Then you gotta get with the program. You're clean your
af though.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh man, hey, how did that come up? I know
you had a big meeting with George Bush. Flew down
to New Orleans to, you know, to get the first
hand account of what was going on. Is that when
he said.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That, Yes, so he flew in to remember, Katrina affected Florida, Alabama, Mississippi,
and Louisiana. So he flies in to Mississippi and we
have a meeting with Governor Hayley. We get on Marine one,
and my objective on Marine one was to explain to
him how bad things were in New Orleans because I
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had a governor who had no idea what she was doing.
I had a mayor that was so corrupt he actually
ended up in federal prison. Wow. And I needed to
explain to you know, euphemistically causing the boss behind his back.
And I needed to explain to the Boss that what
he was going to see in New Orleans was really
messed up, was really bad. But I couldn't do it
on Marine one because we had a couple of senators
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and a congressman on the plane with us, So I
couldn't I couldn't bad now in Louisiana on Marine one,
So I told the Press secretary as soon as we landed,
I said, as soon as we get to the Greenwood room,
I need at least ten minutes with the Boss to
explain to him what he's going to see in what
and why it is the way it is. So I
was assured that, you know, hey, we'll make sure there's time.
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When we get to the green room, I start to
explain to Bush what's going on with the mayor and
the governor, and the press is already waiting for us.
So the Press secretary calls us out before I can
explain to him what he's about to see. Now, standing
there waiting for us is the governor of Alabama, a
former congressman by the name of Bob Riley who was
(20:32):
a friend of mine. And Bob right, we you know,
we were doing very good in the Mississippi and Alabama
because those governors knew how to deal with things. So
I'm explaining to Bush, and we've got a map in
front of us, and we're showing him everything's going on.
And Bob Riley speaks up. And remember I've not had
a chance to tell Bush a think about how bad
things are that he's going to see as soon as
you get back in Marine one. And Bob Riley turns
(20:56):
and says, I want to thank FEMA because FEMA is
doing a great job Alabama. And Bush turns to me,
as he's prone to do. He's kind of a frat
boy in private, and he kind of slaps me in
the stomach and says, yeah, Brownie, and you're doing a
heck of a job, Brownie. And if you watch that
video closely, you'll see me win because I know, oh
(21:18):
my god, now the press knows I have a nickname.
Very few of us had nicknames. Two the press knows
what I know about how things are not going well.
And Bush just made an idiot of himself by talking
about what a great job we're doing. And we're not
really doing a great job. We have all these problems.
So that's the real story behind it.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But that's a great story. But I remember, you know,
you went after Republicans and Democrats who made your job
miserable in the South. I mean, I think it was
Trent Lott. You went after a Hassard. Also Jesse Jackson
got involved as well.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yes, yes, Trent Lott. So I ordered the again this
is having the command of the White House. I ordered
the hospital ship, the USS Hope, to move into the
Gulf so that I can take it to Louisiana. Locke,
who is the Senate majority leader at the time, no,
(22:11):
he wants it to go to Mississippi, and so he
and I have a public fight about it because, as
I tell him, the Army Corps engineer says that I
can't get that ship into the port of Biloxi, that
it won't fit, it's not deep enough. And so we
had this big public blow up. And I had just
reached the point where I'm sick and tired of these
people who don't know what they're doing, trying to interfere
(22:33):
in the job that I'm trying to do on the
ground I don't care for. You're a US senator, Shut
up and sit down.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now, How did you like when you're running FEMA during Katrina,
which is a huge disaster. It was they double dipped
it hit Florida that went to the golf and you know,
hit the Mississippi Louisiana. It was horrible. How do how
do you actually pay for things? That is the promisory note?
You give them a credit card? Is a large bag
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of money dropped off at Princess Cruise? How do how
does the technic?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, we well it depends on who I'm paying. So
if I'm paying individuals, they may get a direct deposit,
they may get a debit card. If I'm paying the government,
they just end up, you know, they bill us and
then we just pay the bill. If I'm paying a
private company, it'll be the same thing. I'll submit a
contract and I'll submit you know, an invoice to my CFO,
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and then they'll pay the cruise lines and everybody gets reimbursed.
And that's why I have you know, I had you know,
it's like running a huge corporation.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, but you had billions, you must had billions of
dollars at your disposal.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well, well, for example, on nine to eleven, I had
upwards of sixty billion dollars available to me. During the Trina,
I had upwards of thirty billion dollars available to me. So, yes,
it's it's a it's a massive undertaking. And you have
to remember, while while I'm talking to you and you're
sitting in LA, they're still disastrous going on in other
parts of the country. So they're all of these things
(24:03):
going on simultaneously. And during my tenure we have one
hundred and sixty presidentially declared disasters. It was I think
now it's the second busiest time of femos egs in
student tomawn. At that time it was the busiest time.
And so you're just working twenty four hours of day,
seven days a week.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Unbelievable. Mike, I really appreciate coming on and as you know,
as we you know, try to sort of navigate our
way through this here in southern California. I'd love to
check back with you anytime. You're the best. Good job, Brownie,
I got a change Now, that's not the saying. I
thought it was the saying forever I been telling my
(24:40):
wife forever, good job, brownie, And that's not the saying.
It's not even close to that. Screw it up, I
got it now, change it all right all the time,
all the I thought it was good job brownie. All right.
We are live on kf I AM six forty five o'clock.
Alex Michaelson is coming on with us. That guy's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Hey, Cross, did you watch football over the weekend?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You watch two games? I caught some of the Chiefs
game yesterday. I was gonna watch the Eagles Commander's game.
That's just I can't let my heart do that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
The over under on that Eagles Commander's game was forty seven.
I don't know what they were thinking. Eagles scored fifty five. Man,
how about that having that over? You know by halftime
you're celebrating.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I would have done that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I would have bet on the over. I would have
bet a heartbeat to have Philly run over that team
too beat him by what thirty four? Thirty three? Thirty
two points whatever. Yeah, yeah, unbelievable. But they've got to
stop using a term. You know, it used to be
illegal for whenever the quarterback got the football or any
running back out the football, it was illegal to push
(25:51):
him forward. And and the rule changed recently, I think
the last couple of years or so, and now they
when the quarterback gets the ball and he needs a yard,
he they called it the tush pushy. They've got to
stop using that. That's that's not a football real masculine
thing to keep saying the tush push it's yeah, yeah,
(26:12):
it's horrible. It really is dumb.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's not any no masculine dude would say that phrase ordinarily, ever,
for any reason ever.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And I don't even like, I don't even when my
wife says, what is that? And I said, what is
what the thing they just said? I don't even say
it in the house. I said, they're trying to get
a yard and they call this thing they I don't know,
And she goes, yeah, the tush push That seems odd.
It seems oddly the name of a country line dance
or something. Yeah, it's a it's the line dancing, or
they should do it. They should use it in figure skating.
(26:42):
You know when the guy puts her up on on
his hand, the tush push. That makes more sense, or
they should use my nickname from from high school, the
the bush Push. Oh boy, yeah, because we had we
had Oh I didn't tell you that story. We had.
I I was I was an a the audio visual
and they were gonna buy new shrubbery for the auditorium,
(27:04):
and the guys that dropped him off for LAUSD they
dropped them off for the football field. So me and
another guy had to take those like carts or Dolly's
and we had to literally move fifty bushes from the
football field to the auditorium. And I got the name.
I got my nickname as the you know, the bush push.
Oh okay, yeah, it's kind of a cool name in
(27:25):
high school. Okay, I enjoyed it. I can't stop. Yeah, yeah,
I can't stop watching Jackie in Shadow, the two eagles
who break our hearts every year because they produce eggs
and then you know, no eagles, no eaglets, but they're back.
You can watch them on YouTube. There's one Eagles sitting
there right now. I think it's the dude. Is that Shadow? Yeah,
(27:48):
Shadow's just sitting there on his egg, and now there's
two eggs. There was just one, now there's two. We
got two possible two eaglets coming. And if you're a
big fan of the it's like I am. They shut
the cameras off when they're pro creating. They shut the
cameras off when they're going at it. And so I
(28:11):
called up to Big Bear. We have a connection through
the station of the guy who run the camera. Okay, hey,
what's going on? Why would you shut that off when
you know they're they're getting it on? And he goes, oh,
we sold the rights to only fans for that, Like, okay,
that makes sense. I guess does the birds have their
own their own OnlyFans page? That's right, that's right. Yeah,
(28:34):
so you can watch them, you know, bang around. But
I think this will be the third season of no
uh no EAGLTZ. So I don't know if there's something
in the air up there, or you know, somebody shooting blanks.
I don't know what's going on, but maybe Shadow and
Jackie have to get different partners. Is that possible? Different
(28:56):
partners because they're not producing anything up there, They're just
in everybody's hearts and for these you know, second grader,
third graders who watch this, and then the eagles fly off.
Then you see the snakes come in or the other
birds come in and eat the eggs. That's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking,
and I don't like it. So I don't know what
(29:16):
the solution is. Maybe getting bigger, better partners, or just
plant the eggs, put chicken eggs up there that are
sure to hatch. But something's going on with it. I'm
watching right now. The sun's going down in Big Bear.
That's the audio. That's what shadows experience right now.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Are they both? Which ones?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They're both? I think the male I think I think
it's the guy that does the sitting. After she uh uh,
you know, drops a couple of eggs, I think she's out,
you know, flusing around with some other eagles. I don't
know what's going on, but you know, two days, three
days ago, that nest was perfectly empty. Now it's filled
(29:55):
with snow. The entire nest is now snow. You can
look at it on online. Just go to YouTube, yeah
and go to a big Bear bald eagle live nest,
or just if you put big Bear eagles that'll pop up.
That's a cool deal. All right, we'll come back. Alex
Michael Sin is coming on with us. Alex Michael Sin.
(30:15):
That guy's great and so we'll have him on when
we come back. By the way, the Jackie in Shadow
OnlyFans website and the YouTube channel is Oh, we got
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dot com. Ding dong with these eagles, all right, Elex
(30:40):
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