Rod Arquette Show: Sen. Dan McCay Reacts to Utah Supreme Court Ruling on Abortion Law; Dems Worried About Kamala's Candidacy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've had a few women or girls who've walked away
from sports because a man who thinks he is a
woman is competing against him. But we have this story
today in the Olympics. And I don't know about you,
but I'm just disgusted with this. I don't know what
else to say. I mean, you know, the Olympics have

(00:20):
already been plagued with enough controversy, right and I'm talking
about the drag queens mocking Christians during the opening ceremonies. Well,
now it has led to a woman having to forfeit
her lifelong dream after being forced to fight a biological man.
I mean, think about that. This is a woman. Her

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name is Angelo Karini, Angela Correni. She is an Italian boxer,
has been preparing all her life to box and to
possibly get into the Olympics. And she does, and her
first match is against an opponent who couldn't qualify earlier

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to fight in women's basketball or in women's boxing. But
now all of a sudden cold in the Olympics, and
she's in the ring for a matter of minute, not
even a matter of minutes, a matter of seconds. I mean,
she gets hit a couple of times, she walks over
to her corner, comes back to the ring, gets hit

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one more time and said that's it now. Why because
she claims she's never been hit harder in her life
and she was hit by a man, A man who
thinks he's a woman and thinks he deserves and has
the right because his gender identity says he's a woman.

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A man who says he has the right to get
into the ring and beat up on biological women even
though he is a biological man. So you know, we
shouldn't be surprised because we've been talking about this, We've
been warning about this, but nobody seems to care. Sure,
there's outrage on some parts, maybe around the world, but

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do you think the Olympics is going to do anything
about this? Probably not. How are you everybody? Welcome to
the rod Arcutchow. Great to be with you on this
Thursday afternoon. A lot to get to today, A lot
going on with Kamala Harris. We'll get into that. Steve
morwill join us. We'll take a look at the nation's economy.
The big Utah story that Abby's been reporting on all
day today is the fact that the Utah Supreme Court

(02:32):
has weighed in on the abortion issue, upsetting a lot
of state lawmakers, and as Aby mentioned in our newscast
just a moment ago, we'll talk with State Senator Dan
McKay about what the court did today and get you
up today and where the state may go after this
good friend of ours, LaVar Web, who over the years
we've had on the show providing us his insight into politics,

(02:55):
is retiring. LaVar will join us. And there are some
Republicans out there who say they will never vote for
Donald Trump and are now ready to vote for You've
got it, Kamala Harris, and we'll find out why. So
we've got a lot to get to today. A great
day to be with you on this Thursday afternoon. If
you'd like to join in on the program, number to
call Triple eight five seven eight zero one zero, Triple

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eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone. All you do is have to dial pound
two fifty and say, hey, Rod, all right, I want
to talk a little bit more about this fight involving
this female olympian forced to fight a biological man and
after being hit two or three times, she said that's it.

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She's walking away. Less than a minute into the fight,
Angelo Karini called time and as I mentioned, upon reentering,
she immediately took another punch to the nose, which reportedly
broke her nose and she withdrew. Now, after the fight
was called, the man she was boxing against, Khalif Is

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his name, lifted his hand to celebrate and then appeared
to stare down Karini before mocking her with a pat
on the back as she cried. He then rushed over
to his corner to fist pump his trainers. Less than

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a minute in the ring and she had already had enough.
What are rounds three minutes each? I don't know if
it's the same for women, is it is for men?
But usually around is what about three minutes each? You know,
if you've seen the video, I want to bring this
up before well, let me bring this up, then we'll
talk about it. It was a disgusting scene that should

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never have been allowed to happen, and in a post
fight news conference, carrenan complaint of severe pain, but would
not call out her a opponent of the Olympics system
which led her to suffer an injury at the hands
of a man during the competition. Now here's the interesting thing.

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About this a couple of things. Now, this is a
big day for the Olympics. You know, Simone Biles won
a gold medal today for all around best performance. First
person to do that, I think tow Olympics in a row,
very tight competition between her and a Brazilian gymnast. So
that's the big news of the day. But what do

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you think would happen today if, in fact the story
was changed a little bit. I'm talking about the boxing story.
What if whatever federation controls boxing in the Olympics before
this match started had come out and said, we are

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not going to allow this man to fight women in
women's boxes. We have determined that he has not met
the threshold to be able to qualify to fight in
women's boxing. Therefore, we are not going to let him box.
Do you think that'd be the front page story and

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the lead story on every network newscast in America today?
You bet it would be. But the fact, you know,
what the media is trying to do is hide something
that they've been promoting forever, and that's to allow men
to compete against women's sports. So they're hardly reporting it.

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I mean, if you go to any website other than
maybe Fox News. You have really got to dig to
find the story today. You know you do feel sorry
for Kreini because of what she was put through. I mean,
if you go back and look at that, there is
a history to this. By the way, the IOC making

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her fight a man had already disqualified him from the
twenty twenty three World Championships due to failing a gender
test and they claimed he could not box. On the
other hand, it is simply a fact that if female athletes,

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and there are only a few out there, do not
start defending themselves, this is going to this going to continue. Nothing,
in my opinion, is going to change. They have got
to start speaking out and say enough. If enough, it
has to start with the female athletes, not only in

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this country but around the world, because if they don't
start speaking out, I mean as a radio talk show
and other radio talk shows around the country, we can
speak out until we're blue in the face. But until
the athletes do something, male athletes do something together, probably
nothing's going to change here. Now, there have been incidents

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around the country. Remember what was it some a kimmember
back keys, but there were some girls involved in a
high school. I think it was a you know, a
hammer throw or shot put, and there was a male
athlete involved in that who thought he was a woman.

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And they walked into the ring where they throw the
shot put, walked in and stepped out, walked in and
stepped out, walked in and stepped out as a protest
against that athlete they were competing against. You know, it
would be amazing and I think it would send a
clear signal to the rest of the world and to
the people here in the United States who are pushing transgenderism.

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If these female athletes who are currently involved in the
Olympics all stood up together and walked out and said
we're not going to allow this anymore. The problem is
there are some women in this country who support competing
against men. They think it is perfectly fine. The women's

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coach at South Carolina is one of them. There have
been others as well. But I really believe that until
the women athletes themselves, who are being hurt by all
of this get together and say we have had it,
We are not going to do this anymore. We will
not participate until you keep these men out of our sport.

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And I think that's the only way is going to change.
And isn't it funny that this happen, this would happen
on today? Do you know what today is? Well, the
new modifications to Title nine being put forth by the
Biden administration are going into effect today and they include
protections for people who have gender identity issues incidents. Right,

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all right, we've got a lot to get to today.
Are the Democrats now starting to worry a little bit
about Kamala Harris. We'll get into that much more to
come right here on the Rod Arquentco and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine can Arrest. Great to have
you along for the ride as you work your way
home on this Thursday afternoon. If you want to be
a part of the program eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight

(10:24):
zero one zero, or on your cell phone, all you
do is have to dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
what hour is it? Because it seems right now that
every hour we're getting another flip flop on the part
of Kamala Harris. Of course, she has reportedly changed her
position on fracking because she knows she needs to win
Pennsylvania and fracking is very important to the Pennsylvania economy.

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She has also announced yesterday, I believe that she has
reverse support for federal job guarantee that was part of
the Green New Deal. Well, all this flip flopping is
it have a concern to Democrats right now? Well, joining
us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that is
our good friend Ward Clark. He is a contributor at
Red State. Ward, how are you welcome back to the

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Speaker 2 (11:11):
Thanks, Rod. It's great, great to be back with you.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Ward. She's starting to do a lot of flip flopping.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well, that was that was inevitable. There's something so many
of the positions she had Bacon were terribly unpopular. You
brought up Pennsylvania, and that's that's a really good example.
An anti fracking viewpoint isn't going to get her anywhere
in Pennsylvania. And she cannot win the electoral college vote

(11:37):
without Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is her uh, her you know, firing
line that she she can't lose it. And Pennsylvania is
a blue mostly blue state, but it's not a blue
state like Massachusetts or California. There's still a lot of old,
you know, blue collar union worker democrats in Pennsylvania, and

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a lot of them work in energy for reductions. It's
the It's the same thing that happens here in Alaska,
except with only three Electoral College votes that are going
to go for the Republican. She's not worried about upsetting
Alaskan's clearly ward.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know, she basically has been anointed the successor of
Joe Biden, and Democrats seem to be all going along
with this idea, no contest, no primary. I mean, what
is it with the Democrats that they are in standing up?
I'm saying, wait a minute, this is not right here.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, it's baffling. In both twenty twenty and twenty twenty four,
I got exactly the same number of Democrat delegates and
Kamala Harris, and yet I'm not their candidate for president.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
The only thing I can think of, Rudd that makes
this make any sense is that, you know, the left,
there's something about their thinking that it is different. They're
more collectively minded, and they're more they're more focused on
getting the team across the line rather than getting any

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one person across. For a lot of Democrats and I
have some very good friends, I mean, one of my
best friends is a far left liberal Democrat. I know
that sounds odd, but we've been friends for years and
we've talked politics a lot, and I do know that
to his thinking, it doesn't really matter who the Democrat
in the White House is as long as it's a Democrat,

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where Republicans tend to be a little more concerned about
having the right guy, which is probably why Donald Trump
won and Mitt Romney lost.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, that's true. Ward. The thinking has been for a
very very long time that one of the reasons Hillary
Clinton lost in twenty sixteen is because she's just not
very likable. And you know, and there's word out there
that Kamala Harris is not very likable. Could that catch
up to her before November fifth?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, and I think it will. Granted, it's difficult to
be less likable than her Imperial Majesty Hillary the first,
but Kamala might just pull it off. As a matter
of fact, a friend of mine refers to her tongue
in cheek as Black.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Hillary or Indian Hillary has a lot of the.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Same problems, and she has an additional problem rod In
that Hillary at least has Well, let's be generous and
say she's got an average level of intelligence. At least
she's a better speaker than Kamala. And one of the
key things I use to gauge intelligence in a person
is their ability to speak extemporaneously, to just take a

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topic and run with it. Ronald Reagan was very good
at it, to be perfectly candid. Bill Clinton was very
good at it. And Bill Clinton, whatever you think of him,
he's no dummy. He's a very intelligent person. He just
lacks discipline. But Kamala can't do it. For that matter,
Barack Obama couldn't do it if he was off telepromptery.

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He was painful to listen to. Is even worse. The
Queen of the word salads, sooner or later is going
to have to go off script and speak on her
own and it's not going to work well for But how.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Does the Trump campaign fight against this ward Because certainly
you have almost every media outlet in this country now
who are talking about how great Kamala is and she's
the new exciting leader something this country needs and the
country will follower. I mean, when you've got the media
and the democratic machine going against Donald Trump and the

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machine that he has, how do they win this battle.
It's not going to be easy.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It won't be easy, but Trump's already doing it. His
appearance in front of that black journalist group, He's taking
the fight to her ground. Kamala didn't show up at
that thing, but Trump did, and he took hostile questions
and he batted them right back at them. And Trump's
a marketing guy. He has I'm sure he has some
other plans as far as advertising goes, but the big

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thing is going to be the debates, and he's already
challenging her. He says he'd be willing to do three
or even more. And the debates are the thing that
are going to sink her, and she's going to have
to agree to do at least one.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, she is going to have to a reward, that's right,
And what will that do?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Do you think bad as Joe Biden without the excuse
of being senile.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
You're right that the Trump campaign really needs to run
like they're about twenty points behind. Do you think they
feel that way now? And how does that change their approach?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I couldn't tell you, you know, I'm not a mind reader.
I couldn't tell you if they feel that way now.
I hope they do, but their approach should be, like
I said something Trump, Trump's been doing something that Sun
Su would have approved of. Never let your opponent define
the terms of the contest. He's not doing that. He's

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been campaigning in blue states. He held a huge rally
in the South Bronx in AOC's district. He needs to
keep doing that. He needs to keep hammering him on
their own ground. He needs to keep trying to make
inroads into those blue states, those blue cities, and keep
her reacting to him and not the other way around.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You mentioned briefly his appearance before the Black Journalist Convention yesterday.
He went right into the lions den. How much good
did that do him, because a lot of questions are
being raised about his remarks about Kamala's race. I thought
he performed very well and he went into the lions den,
and you won't find many politicians who are willing to

(17:33):
do that. Ward.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, he didn't just go into the lions den. He
put his head in the lion's mouth and came out
of it. Okay. The two things that got me on
that were he again, he didn't let the one journalist
who was questioning him and her name slitshed my mind.
But he didn't let her define the terms of the engagement.
He got out the points he wanted to talk about.

(17:57):
But the thing that got me was if you listen,
you know I mentioned Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney appeared before
this group was booed tumteers.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, you could.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Hear the cheering in the audience, and that means his
message is getting through.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
That's interesting. New Ward as always great chatting with you.
Appreciate your time and enjoy the rest of the day.
I know we'll be talking again down the road. Thank you, Ward,
Thanks Rod, it's great to be here all right on
our newsmaker line. That is a Ward Clarke. He is
a contributor at Red State. Lives in Alaska. By the way,
always great to talk to Ward right here on the
rod arquitcho. All right, more coming up on Utah's talk

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radio one oh five nine canters live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app guess what we found something else? I mean,
the list is long right that Kamala Harras doesn't like, well,
apparently she doesn't like legal immigration. She wants the illegal immigration.
She doesn't like police officers, she doesn't like ice Let's see,

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she certainly doesn't like police. She wants to defund police.
The list goes on. She doesn't like fracking, she doesn't
like efforts being made in this country when it comes
to the environment. Well, guess what we've now found out
that Kamala Harris does not in fact like Christmas. The
Blade has unearthed unearthed a clip of Kamala Harris scolding

(19:17):
people for saying Merry Christmas because she claims illegals might
not get to celebrate. Listen to this clip that they
found of Kamala Harris talking about Christmas and the illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas. How dare we
speak merry Christmas? How dare we?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
How dare we speak merry Christmas? I mean, come on,
come on, folks. I would just play that one over
and over again. I mean, this woman is dangerous with
a big capital D. All right, Steve Moore is joining us.
Steve Moore, of course, is an economist. He works Freedom
Week works. He works also with a Committee to Unleashed Prosperity,
a top economic advisor to former President Donald Trump. Steve

(20:07):
joining us on our Newsmaker line right now. Steve. Always
good to have you on the show. Steve. Let's talk
about this idea that President Trump mentioned last week. He mentioned,
in fact, it would be a good idea just top
taxing social Security benefit. Steve, what do you make of
that idea?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, I wrote a piece on FoxBusiness dot com this
morning about that, and I basically was came out in favor.
But I think it's an ingenious idea. I think that
you know, think about it. You paid the tax already,
right You paid the tax for the benefit, and then
you get the benefit and then they want to task
it again. I don't think that makes any sense. And
number one number two, you know, when you think about it,

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one of the biggest challenges we faced as a nation
right now is the aging population.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
You know, I don't know about you. I'm a baby boomer.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
I was born in nineteen sixty. I'm sixty four years old.
You know, my generation is, you know, starting to retire
in moss and you know there's a lot of us,
there's eighty million of us baby boomers. Any policy that
encourages people in their mid sixties or in their seventies
to keep working is beneficial for the economy, It helps
the social security system, and it generates the kind of

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production we need in this country. So I think it'll
it'll give a little incentive for people to continue to work,
and that's a positive thing for everybody.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Would Congress be receptive to this idea, Steve, Do you.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Think it's if Trump won and he ran on it, Yeah,
I think would pass it. You know, look, there are
a lot of seniors in this country who feel that
it's they're being cheated, you know, by they paid all this.
Remember you pay a twelve percent tax every paycheck you
get from the time you start working. And I don't
know what year it was for you, but I started working.
I was nineteen years old. And so you pay a

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lot of money into that system and then they give
you this crappy benefit of like two thousand dollars a month.
So I think this is it's only fair to say
to people, Look, we want you to continue to work.
We're not going to punish you for it. Seniors, you know,
people of the age of sixty five, because they lose
benefits and other problems, you know, with the tax system.
Seniors pay the highest tax rates of anybody. You know,

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if I were to continue to work, I'd be forking
over half of my paycheck to the government. And I'm
you know, I'm doing pretty well, but I'm not rich.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah. Well, Steve's let's move on to the national debt.
Thirty five trillion dollars. We passed that mark this week, Steve,
I mean, how high is this going to go before
somebody says enough is enough?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
That's I wish I could answer that question. Now I
can tell you is that the Biden administration wants that
number to go up to, you know, over fifty trillion
dollars over the next eight to ten years. I mean,
this cannot continue on this path. I mean there will
be a financial crisis in this country if we keep
doing this now. I don't know if it would happened
in three months or three years or ten years, but

(22:52):
everyone knows it's going to end badly. And I just
saw I don't know if you saw this, that our
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, but she was out in Brazil
for the G twenty meeta. She called for eighty seven
trillion dollars of spending on climate change, eighty seven trillion dollars.

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I don't know where the money is going to go to,
but I'd like a little sleep of that slice of
that action. But you know, does anybody really think eighty
seven trillion dollars of government money is going to change
the temperature of the planet. But you know, you've got
a lot of craziness going on right now in Washington.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
How important is it, in your opinion, Steve, to keep
make the Trump tax cuts permanent? How important is that very?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
I mean, it worked. As you know, I have a
little personal pride in this because I helped design that
Trump tax cut back in two thousand and fifteen when
we first got involved with Donald Trump and we cut
business tax rates to make American businesses more competitive. I
think a lot of people don't understand that. They think, oh,
this is a big tax cut for corporate America.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
No.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Actually, what we did was we took a system where
the United States businesses had a higher tax right rate
than virtually any other country in the world, higher than China,
higher than Russia, higher than the Europe, higher than Germany,
higher than Sweden. And we said, no, this isn't this
isn't pro America. This is putting America last, it's not
putting America first. So we cut the rate to from

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thirty five percent down to twenty one percent, and that
doesn't include the five percent that you know, states and
localities put on top of that. And we went from
being the highest tax rate country to know, below average.
And what do you think happened. We got a lot
of capital into the country. We started seeing factories and
jobs moving back from Mexico and China and Japan to
the United States. So I see it as a big

(24:38):
win win. And I think if we raised those rates
up again, as Joe Biden and Kamala Harris wanted to do,
we would be back in another hole again.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Will that be the first big fight that the new
Congress has to undertake? Steve? Did they expire at the
end of this year?

Speaker 5 (24:53):
They did have different.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Expiration dates, but they're already being based out and so
so it's it's going to be a pretty urgent thing
to make those tax cuts permanent. And look, if Trump wins,
then he'll certainly have a voter mandate to do it.
If Biden and I said Biden, I guess it's Kamala
now Kamala then you know, she's come out squarely against

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that plan, and she also wants to bring back the
alternative minimum tax. She wants to double the death tax,
and the average family, you know, would pay about two
thousand dollars a year more in taxes if you repeal
that Trump tax cut.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't want you to jump out the window with
this question. But what scared you the most right now
about a Kamala Harris presidency.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Well, I think you know, look, I think the what
Americans have to understand is that Kamala Harra says she's
an attractive woman, she's a good politician, but she is a
died in the worle San Francisco liberal Democrat, right, And
do you think we need that for the country. I
mean asking that rhetorically to the American people. Do you

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really want, you know, a left winger from San Francisco
composing the same policies on the United States that have
ruined one of America's greatest cities. So I think it'll
be a clear contrast election. But I do not take
that woman lightly. I think you know, she's a skilled politician,
and boy, I've never seen anything you're in the media

(26:22):
I've never seen a spawning truth. I mean, my god,
I think it was Princess Diane.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, she is like, for instance, Diane. To the media
in this country right now, they are falling all over
themselves to show what a wonderful, caring, loving leader that
Kamala Harris is, and folks, do not be fooled by
what they're trying to do. They are trying to recreate
Kamala Harris from a as Steve just described, a San

(26:51):
Francisco Liberal into a moderate Democrat who absolutely loves America
and wants freedom for all. That is what they are
trying to do. Don't be caught up in all of this.
Ask about her stands on various issues. She's very progressive
and as Greg pointed out yesterday, let's compare the four

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years of Donald Trump to the four years of Joe
Biden slash Kamala Harris and what country do you want
to live in? That's key question that you need to
keep on reminding yourself and people who you work with,
members of your family who are starting to think, well,
you know, Joe's not in it anymore. I don't like Trump,
so maybe Kamala would be a good president. Careful of that, folks.

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All right, Moore, coming up on the rod Ar Kinchow
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n
R s Mike Lee, Utah sender. Mike Lee was on
with Tucker Carlson in his podcast couple of nights ago,
and he said a very interesting thing about the state
of politics here in Utah. We'll let you hear what
the two men had to say. That's coming up next
right here on the rod Ar Kinchow and Utah's Talk

(27:57):
Radio one oh five nine Kay and R as Utah Center.
Mike Lee had a really interesting sit down conversation the
other day with Tucker Curlston on Tucker's podcast. I want
you to hear the two men talk about the state
of politics in Utah and where Utah is headed. You know,
many people consider this state one of the reddest of
red states. I'm not sure if that's the case anymore.

(28:20):
Listen to what Mike Lee and Tucker Carlson had to say.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
But the print media statewide and the state wide broadcast
entities radio and television lean pretty consistently to the left,
and that has an impact.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So too.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
We've got a lot of universities in Utah, like about
ten of them, and they, like most academic institutions, have
tended to lean left now, not as far left as
what you see, you know, Harvard and Princeton and Franklin,
most universities in America, but definitely much farther left than

(28:54):
they used to be, and much farther left than most Utahs.
Are those things that are having an effect, and it's causing problems.
It does cause me concern. You want to hear my theory. Yeah,
I think Utah is too nice and has been too
nice for too long. And the people who live there,
I say, this is a native California, So I saw
this happen. They've lost sight of the central truth in life,
which is it takes a long time to build something

(29:17):
functional and beautiful, and it can be destroyed very very quickly,
very quickly. California obviously the greatest state this country ever produced,
and now it's in some ways the worst. And it
happened in a generation in my lifetime. And I just
don't think that people of Utah understand how quickly their
state could become a slum. California has become a slum, and.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
That could happen because you know, you're like, you're comfortable,
you're prosperous, You're like, you know, we've been too mean,
like putting people in prison for rape, Like maybe we
shouldn't do that, And you don't understand that the second
you allow disorder, slovenliness, debt, like the whole thing can disappear.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, that's Tucker Carlson with Utah Senator Mike Lee talking
about basically where Utah stands right now. I mean, we
are a very prosperous state. We are considered one of
the best run states in the country, maybe the best
run state in the country. But we have our challenges
and you know, maybe in the five o'clock camera, I
want to get I want to get with you on

(30:21):
a couple of things that we're said in this conversation.
Mike Lee first of all saying, you know, we have
what ten universities in this state today, and he feels
they lean very left. Not as far left as Harvard
or Stanford or cal Berkeley, but they're leaning left and
that is having an impact. Well, if in fact it is,
what impact is it having? And I want to go
to what Tucker said, because this is where I really

(30:43):
agree with Tucker We are two nice at times. You know,
the governor wants us to be nice, we want he
wants us to disagree better. He wants to do politics differently. Well,
we'll get run over if we don't start standing up
against certain things. And I agree with Tucker on this,
And by the way, will be here on I think
it's Saturday, September seventh. He'll be here along with Glenn

(31:06):
Beck and you can get tickets now to that. It
will be a very entertaining evening to hear those two
talk about what's going on in this country, the fear
that they have about the future of the country. But
I do believe both Senator Lee and Tucker Carlson are
spot on that we have the media in this state
except for this radio station, which really do lean left,

(31:28):
I mean really left in some cases, and that you
have the universities who are that way. And tying that
in with what Tucker was saying, we are in fact
too nice. Sometimes you know, you can be you can
stand up and express what you believe and really stand
up for your values, and it does mean you're not

(31:49):
a nice person, and the media and those on the
left will call you every name they can come up
with if you stand up in an issue which is
opposite of what they believe in, you're still being nice,
but you're just expressing your opinion. Expressing your opinion does
not mean you're not nice. The story of the day
here in the State of Utah, of course, is a

(32:11):
ruling by the Supreme Court. Under that ruling today, issued
by the Court this morning, Utah's will continue to have
access to abortion up to eighteen weeks of pregnancy. According
to the Utah Supreme Court, they ruled today was a
long awaited decision on whether a near total ban on
such care could in fact take effect. Remember, after the

(32:33):
Dobbs decision a couple of years ago, the Utah legislature
put into place the Trigger Law, which immediately banned abortions
here in the State of Utah in most cases, and
of course, Planned Parenthood went to court to star and
block it, and the Supreme Court allowed them to continue
blocking it as of today. A lot of state molawmakers,

(32:54):
Stuart Adams, the President of the Senate, Mike Schulz, the
Speaker of the Utah House, expressing their frustration today, along
with my next guest, states under Dan McKay. Dan, great
to have you on the show, Dan, I look at this,
and I look back at a couple of weeks ago,
and you've got the Supreme Court weighing in on what
lawmakers did when it came to when it came to

(33:15):
redistricting in the Boundary Commission and all of that, and
now you have this decision on abortion today, and you're
wondering what on earth is the Utah Supreme Court up to.

Speaker 9 (33:24):
It's funny that you mentioned the redistricting case and this
one together because remember, in the redistricting case, for those
that read the opinion, it is a originalist construction of
the constitution argument and they go bit by bit to
talk about what the original rights were and in the
Constitution as it relates to redistricting. Potentially. Now, in this decision,

(33:49):
the Court is flipping over on itself and saying, we're
not bound by the biases of eighteen ninety or the
original intent of the Constitution. We can, I guess, based
on what they're saying, we can assign whatever meaning we
wanted these words. And you know, my personal reaction is,

(34:09):
I'm discouraged by what they saw. I thought Chief Justice
Durant did a fantastic job of arguing why planned Parenthood
should not be a plaintiff in this case, and why
they should have to go find an actual Utah citizen
that is harmed. Instead, they've shortcuted that in the process,

(34:30):
and they've you know, they just wiped that out and
allowed plant parenthood, gave planted parenthood a priority as a
business over the life of the unborn and Rod that's
extremely discouraging to me.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Dan.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
You know what's frustrating as well, Dan, is that the
Dobbs decision came down two years ago. We're now just
getting this two years later. What on earth is taking
it so long?

Speaker 9 (34:55):
Well, you know, our Utah Supreme Court does not function
on a calendar like the US Supreme Court, where they
basically are you know, do you have an opinion or
they hear arguments and then they write an opinion and
they're done with it within a year. You know, this
is just I think a really tough issue. And I'm

(35:16):
certain this is an eighty nine page opinion. The redistricting
case was, you know, another ninety plus pages. I think
they're getting paid by the hour or by the word.
Maybe I don't know, but I wish that we could
I wish that we could get these things moving quicker
so that the people of Utah can you know, govern
with some certainty.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Dan, I'm getting a feeling with the Boundary ruling and
now this ruling that the Utah Supreme Court is starting
to act like a group of lawmakers instead of judges.
Do you get that same feeling?

Speaker 9 (35:47):
Well, it's funny that you say that, because I wonder
if they're starting to feel that way. If you'll remember
a quote from the Dobbs decision, the US Supreme Court
in the opinion returned the question of a abortion to
the people, right, And I think it's starting to feel
like the court feels like they're the people.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Where do you go from here?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Dan?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
What happens now?

Speaker 9 (36:13):
Well, we've been talking about this for a year and
we're kind of waiting for this opinion to come down.
We've got a few things that we're working on. Number One,
our current gestational ban is at eighteen weeks, and the
Supreme Court, since the Dobbs decision, has upheld six week bans.

(36:34):
It's upheld Idaho's band, which is a much stricter ban
than what Utah is proposing. And I think we're going
to look at, you know, potentially I've asked, you know,
the governor, and I've asked legislative leadership if they would continue,
if they would consider a special session this year to
institute a six week gestational band while we wait for

(36:56):
the court to get through the rest of the process
on on the abortion decise?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Dan, what's going on in this country? Like you said,
let's go back to the Dobbs decision, and the Dobbs
decision basically said it's up to the states, and every
state moved in different directions, like you mentioned Idaho, Utah,
and yet we still can't move forward on banning abortion
in some states because of their judicial system. What do
you think's going on here? Dan?

Speaker 9 (37:23):
I've heard that people complain that, you know, we're losing
our conservative core and that the people of Utah, our
population is changing, and as a result of that change,
we're losing that conservative core. I hope and pray that
that's not the case, and that we as a people
will stand up and fight for the things that really

(37:46):
matter to us. Mike Lee said something on the Tucker
Carlson interview that I thought was extremely interesting and I've
been thinking a lot about. He said, we've been too
nice for too long, and I'm starting to wonder if
our desire to be nice is shortcutting our willingness to
stand and fight with the title of liberty or whatever

(38:06):
it may be, to do what is right. And this
is one of those cases where it is a bright
line as to what is right and what is wrong.
And I am hopeful and confident that we can still
pursue a legal path to protect the lives of the unborn.
Realize since that since the court has been decided deciding

(38:26):
this injunction, we lost six thousand babies in the state
of Utah.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Rob Wow Wow.

Speaker 10 (38:33):
Dan.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Other than changing the gestation period, which you mentioned a
moment ago, is there anything else lawmakers can do at
this point?

Speaker 9 (38:41):
Well, I'm not foreclosing any options. Behind the scenes, I've
heard people talk about a constitutional amendment to book this
to the people to let that opinion be heard, and
I think that would be an important conversation to be
had as well. If we can get the language right,
I think that are other things that we can we

(39:01):
can do as well. I think this decision is so
fresh that it takes a little bit of time to
make sure we react appropriately.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Stays under Dan McKay joining us on our newsmaker line, Dan,
thank you very much for talking about this ruling today
by the Utah Supreme Court. It has really angered a
lot of lawmakers and I think a lot of people
out there. I mean, the Dobbs decision is now what
two years old, two years old, and the Dobbs decision
was basically this, No, it did not ban abortion. The

(39:32):
Dobbs decision said, We're going to leave it up to
the states. Each state can decide what it wants to
do with abortion, and that's the way it should be
in this country today. But of course the Democrats, like
Bill Clinton and certainly Kamala Harris is out there talking
about women's productive rights, reproductive rights and trying to protect them. Now,

(39:53):
here's what I find funny about all of this when
it comes to Kamala Harris and her campaign to allow
baby killing. She's all for baby killing. That's what she does,
that's what she wants in this country today. But we
have a woman who went into a boxing ring in
the Olympics today hoping to realize her dream and she

(40:18):
ends up boxing against a competitor, a man who believes
she is a woman, and after less than a minute
in the ring and taking a few punches, one in
which broke her nose. She said, I've had enough. I'm
not going to compete against a biological man because it

(40:41):
is unfair, and she ended her dream. Do you hear
anything coming out of the Biden administration today or out
of Kamala Harris, the protector of women's rights about this today?
You don't, and I bet you won't. All Right, more
coming up on the rid our Kinchow, we'll talk about
the reference the Senator McKay made about a comment Mike

(41:02):
Lee made with Tucker Carlson the other day. We'll play
that again for you and get your reaction to it.
Coming up right here on the rod Ri Kent Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. kN Or
s is Utah in danger of losing its conservative core? Now?
He brought that up because of an interview that Utah
Center Mike Lee did with Tucker Carlson the other day

(41:24):
on the Tucker Carlson Network. He has a podcast and
you can take a look at it. They talked about
a variety of issues, but one that was intriguing that
they got into is the state of Utah and where
we stand right now. You know, Utah, as as I
mentioned earlier, has always been considered a very conservative state.
I've argued, and if you've listed the show over time,

(41:46):
I've always thought that we aren't as conservative as we
like to believe, or as some people say. I think
we tend to be moderately conservative. But these two men
sat down I'm talking about, Mike Lee and Tucker car
and talked about what's going on in Utah right now.
I want to play this for you, and I don't
want to get your reaction to what they're saying, because

(42:08):
in many ways I think they're spot on, And if
they are spot on, then we're in trouble and we
need to stand up for what we believe in here
in the state of Utah. Here is the conversation between sender,
Mike Lee and Tarker Carlson ewdies.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
But the print media statewide and the state wide broadcast entities,
radio and television lean pretty consistently to the left, and
that has an impact.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
So too.

Speaker 7 (42:32):
We've got a lot of universities in Utah, like about
ten of them, and they, like most academic institutions, have
tended to lean left. Now, not as far left as
what you see you know, Harvard and Princeton and frankly
most universities in America, but definitely much farther left than

(42:53):
they used to be, and much farther left than most Utahs.
Are those things that are having an effect and it's
causing problems.

Speaker 11 (43:00):
Does cause me concern? You want to hear my theory?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (43:03):
I think Utah is too nice and has been too
nice for too long. And the people who live there,
I say, this is a native California, So I saw
this happen. They've lost sight of the central truth in life,
which is it takes a long time to build something
functional and beautiful, and it can be destroyed very very quickly,
very quickly. California obviously the greatest state this country ever produced,
and now it's in some ways the worst. And it

(43:26):
happened in a generation in my lifetime. And I just
don't think the people of Utah understand how quickly their
state could become a slum. California has become a slum,
and that could happen because you know, you're like, you're comfortable,
you're prosperous, You're like, you know, we've been too mean,
like putting people in prison for rape, like maybe we

(43:46):
shouldn't do that. And you don't understand that the second
you allow disorder, slovenliness, debt like you, the whole thing
can disappear.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Right, Yeah, as a conversation Tucker Carlson had with Mike Lee. Tucker,
as I mentioned earlier, we'll be here in Utah on Saturday,
September seventh, along with Glenn Beck. Should be a very
entertaining evening. But I want to open up the phones
to you tonight and get your reaction to that because,
as Dan McKay mentioned a moment ago, and he interpreted
that interaction between Mike Lee and Tucker Carlson is the

(44:22):
concern that he has as well, and I want to
see from you as well or hear from you as well.
Is Utah losing its conservative corps? Now, let me bring
up a point the you know, the state convention delegates
who went to the state convention this year were ripped
for expressing their opinion on a number of occasions, but

(44:44):
basically they were ripped for booing the governor. Now, the
governor believes that we should be nice, that we should
disagree better. And there are others you know, you look
at like Salt Lake County right now in Salt Lake City,
both run by very progressive Democrats. Mayor Wilson and Mayor

(45:07):
Mendon Home. They are very progressive Democrats, but oftentimes we
do find state leaders cozying up to them, and I
think that is dangerous. You can be nice, but you
don't have to go along with what they do to
me right now, and I want to see you may

(45:27):
agree or disagree with me on this one as well.
The only government body who I believe right now is
standing up for conservative values in this state is the
Utah Legislature. And I know the Utah Legislature under undergoes
a lot of criticism at times, usually from those on
the left, but they're the ones who are standing up

(45:49):
for our conservative values. School Boards aren't doing so, not
here in this state, maybe in the smaller districts, but
in the districts up and down the world US at front,
the school boards are are center left, if not left left.
You know, city councils, many of them tend to lean

(46:10):
left in this state now. And as Tucker cautioned, if
we don't wake up, we're going to wake up one
day and guess what we could be California. If we
don't fight for our values right now. So I want
to open up the phones to you with these questions tonight.

(46:31):
Are we in danger in being too nice that we'll
wake up one day and say to ourselves, what on
earth has happened to this great state of ours? And
with what Dan McKay said a moment ago, you know,
is there even a conservative core in this state anymore?

(46:52):
Or has it disappeared? Or is it fading because of growth,
because of the influx of people from outside the state?
You know what about the you know what about that?
I mean? And is it a concern to you? It
is to me, and I bet it is to you
as well. And that's why we talk about the need
for strong, common sense, fair minded conservative approach to the

(47:17):
issues that we have in this state. And if we
don't do that, and if we don't fight for that,
we are, in fact, I believe, going to lose that
conservative corps. Your thoughts eight eight eight five seven eight
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fifteen and say hey, Rod, love to get your thoughts

(47:37):
and comments coming up right here on the Rod or
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K and RF. I've never lived in California, but I'm
aware of its history, at least a little bit. California. Now,
this is a state that elected Ronald Reagan be governor
what once or twice i believe, and it used to
be a fairly conservative state. But since then, look what

(48:01):
has happened. You have a coalition now in California, very
powerful coalition of of Hollywood, the high tech industry, the
renewable industry, the worker the unions, and that coalition controls
that state. And look what they've done to that state. Now,

(48:24):
could we have the same thing happened here? Maybe a
different coalition. We do have a high tech industry in
this state that is a very powerful lobbying group. They
basically get what they want here in the state of Utah.
But as a new coalition is being formed here, what
does that mean for the state of Utah? And are
we going to lose that conservative core? Eight eight eight

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five seven eight zero one zero On your cell phone,
dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod to the
phones we go. David's been waiting patiently in the cash Valley. Dave,
how are you welcome to the Rod Arcut Show.

Speaker 10 (48:59):
Yeah, thanks Rod for taking my call. I appreciate that
I am listening to you talk about the interview with
Tucker and Senator Lee reminded me of a podcast from
Quick Media, Greg Matson, and he talks a lot about
this difference between being nice and being kind and that

(49:20):
he's from the LDS culture but raised in southern California,
lives in Arizona, but he's been in Utah a lot,
and he says the Utah culture is different. There seems
to be a high premium on this being nice. And
he points out that niceness can be a facade to
avoid unpleasantness and to avoid awkwardness, and he said it

(49:42):
can take away from being able to stand up for
something and being able to state your values. And it
doesn't mean you necessarily have to be unpleasant, but people
will avoid the awkwardness as a result of that. And
so I get to thinking kindness is a virtue where
you serve other people. Niceness isn't really a virtue. It

(50:02):
can be kind of superficial and be something of a
facade just to avoid unpleasantries. And I think what we're
what we're having to learn now is we've we're going
to have to start standing up more and more and
stating where we stand. I'm reminded of President Ininckley statement
that a person who stands for nothing will stand for anything,

(50:23):
and that's kind of where we're at. We're seeing this,
we're seeing this shift in our in our values. And
just one last comment, and I don't know why I
thought of this, but I think of that scene in
the movie Saving Private Ryan where you see the American
soldier who's Jewish, wrestling with the German soldier and the

(50:45):
German shoulder gets gets on top of him and he
starts whispering to him while he's got a knife over
his chest, and the Jewish soldier is so distracted trying
to understand what he's saying that he's not aware that
he's getting a dagger pushed into his chest. That was
highly that was highly symbolic of what happened in World
War two, uh, with the with the Holocaust or everything,

(51:08):
but it's also very symbolic of when we are trying
too hard to accommodate, we're slowly having a dagger plunge
into our heart. And that's what the Left does very well.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Well that's that's a very good point, David. Real quick question, Dave,
can you be nice and express your opinion at the
same time. I think you can.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
Oh, I think I think you can. But I think
we have to be willing to not be so accommodating
as to let things pass. We we have to we
have to be able to be willing to stand up
and let them be a little uncomfortable with where we stand.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, good point. All right, Dave, Thank you appreciate your thoughts.
Let's go to James in Tuilla tonight here on the
rod or Can Show. James, how are you weigh in
on this? James? What do you say?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Ron and a longtime listener. I am from the state
of California. As I've called the show before about the
ninety two riots. Please do not California Utah. I moved
here from California from Orange County, which is Reagan Country.
Right there's a reason why we uh, the why Utah

(52:12):
is really good.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Right now.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
We don't want to do what California's doing. California is
going to turn into Hawaii in about twenty years.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh wow, wow, the bad policy, James. What happened in
Orange County? Because it was always considered the conservative bastion
in California. What happened in Orange County.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
I just think that people, especially the women, the you know,
the pro abortion type women kind of kind of came
into California with the you know, my generating, with my
me being a millennial and everything like that, and and
those type of people. Because you had Feinstein who got
elected ninety two, you had Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, you know,

(52:57):
all these women and everything like that. And that's the
biggest thing that they sell in California. And this is
coming from a farm person whose mother was a Reagan Republican.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why. All right, James, thank you,
good thought, Thank you very very much. I mean, think
about it. Of course, California gave us Ronald Reagan, but
now look at what California is giving us. Nancy Pelosi,
Kamala Harris, Barbara Boxer no longer there, Adam Schiff, you
go on and on with a very progressive liberal politicians.

(53:32):
At California is giving to this state, and it's interesting
to see what is going on there. I mean, think
about other strong conservatives who've come out of California of late,
very hard to find him, but they are out there.
There are a few out there. But for a state
that gave us Ronald Reagan at one time, now look
what it's giving us. Kamala Harris really eight eight eight

(53:54):
five seven o eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven o eight zero one zero, or on your cell
phone you do have to dial pound two fifty and
say hey, Ron It does cause us to think. I think,
you know, let's take a look at what's going on
in this day right now, and we have the largest
city in the largest county in the state right now,
in Salt Lake County liberal. I mean, you know, I

(54:19):
think what you had at one time is you know,
in the South a long time ago, there was the
white flight to the suburbs. Okay, when blacks moved into
the inner cities in the South, a lot of white
people went out to the suburbs. Why, I think what
you had happening in Salt Lake County is you had

(54:42):
you could could call it the conservative flight to the suburbs.
I mean downtown Salt Lake City, in Salt Lake City,
run by a very progressive mayor, is a very liberal.
It's the blueberry and the tomato soup right now, Salt
Lake County is somewhat the same, but a lot of
conservatives family got out of the city and moved to

(55:03):
the suburbs, and I think that is what is going
on right now. Let's go to Casey, who's in West
Valley and wants to weigh in on this tonight. Casey,
Welcome to the Rod Arkent Show.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Thanks Rod. I work in a specific industry which allows
me access to hundreds of different companies all over the state,
everything from elementary schools, hospitals, mental health facilities, drug rehabs,
construction to gambit. And one thing I've noticed is we're
really not losing our conservative core. I really up to

(55:35):
hundreds of people, and if anything, I would say that
even our liberals in this state are the most conservative
liberals I've ever talked to.

Speaker 12 (55:44):
Now.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
They hate Donald Trump, but they really don't like the
Biden Harris group. They think that we're more unsafe with
them in office than we've ever been. And as we
speak kindly, and I do believe we're very kind state,
we still speak very passionately and we get our points across.
And as I work with these people, I've noticed that

(56:07):
as I talk to them as I explain things to them.
They're very open to the conservative ideas, even the liberals,
because I speak with compassion but conviction at the same time.
So we're very friendly, but we also are very opinionated
and passionate about what we believe.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, now, well, I at least you again, you have
a conversation with them, which I think is a real
plus casey, because in some cases you can't even have
a conversation with some people about the issues that you've
talked about.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
Now, that's true, and I think part of that is
you got to know your audience, and you got to
when you're speaking to people and they're talking, listen to them,
not to respond, but to actually listen, try and fill
it from their perspective. And in turn, because people naturally want,
you know, the monkey see monkey dude personality mirror, they

(57:01):
will then listen to what you have to say from
the standpoint of trying to understand.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah. Great, a great suggestion case. So you're right, you
know the fine art of listening, because most of us,
when we're having a conversation with somebody, we may be
half listening. What we're also doing is thinking of the
way that we're going to respond at the same time,
it's very difficult to do. I'm not as good at
it as I should be. So the art of listening involves,

(57:28):
first of all, just listening. Focus on what they're having
to say. Don't think of your response yet. First of all,
listen to what they have to say, and then you
can formulate your response to it. But as Casey brought up,
it's a real art form to learn how to listen.
I'm not very good at it myself, as my wife.
Probably Let's go to rich on I fifteen tonight. He

(57:49):
wants to weigh in on this as well. Rich How
are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 13 (57:52):
Oh good, how are you doing it?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I'm doing well, Thank you good.

Speaker 13 (57:58):
I think unfortunately, you've kind of become the California for
years now. We have great people like Mike Lee and
of course yourself and and but you know, we've especially
eat Salt Lakes. They've they've got Mayor Corridini, They've got
Mayor Rocky Anderson, like what mayors we have now. I think, unfortunately,

(58:19):
especially around the Salt Lake area, we've been kind of
progressive leftists for a long time now.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Unfortunately, Yeah, I would agree with you. I mean, Salt
Lake City in Salt Lake County have been kind of
going in that direction. And remember they are the largest
city in county in the state right now. That's going
to change over time. Utah County is growing rapidly, Washington
County is growing rapidly. David's County and Weaver County are growing.
But will they follow the trend in Salt Lake County

(58:46):
and become more liberal or remain very strong conservatives? All right,
more coming up? More your phone calls eight eight eight
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zero one zero. As we're talking about, is Utah losing

(59:08):
its conservative core? Mike Lee expressed his concern about that.
He said, especially when it comes to the our universities
we have about ten I think, Mike said here in
the state of Utah. Also about the media in this
state right now, it does lean left. We may be
the only really true conservative station in the state right now.

(59:30):
We're very proud of it. We're very proud of the
fact that you give us a few minutes each day
to listen to this show and the other great shows
that we have. But when it comes to you know now,
Tucker Carlson respond said, be careful, Utah, because if you're
two nice, you know, you're a wake up one morning
and ask yourself what has happened to our state? I

(59:51):
did get this email. Let's see. His name is Mac
Mac in Danville, California. He's a former Utah resident. One
of Utah's biggest problems is that quote, we want to
be liked on the world stage. He goes on to write.
He says, Utah has a history of being a little

(01:00:11):
seduced and a little quirky. So what we're looking at
and it's sad we're losing that. And it's sad. He said.
The last time I was in Salt Lake City was
in June, just what a month ago? Two months ago? Now,
walking downtown, I was appalled, he said, at the disgraceful

(01:00:33):
state of the city that I love, lots of ne'er
dowells mucking about. It was really pretty dirty and really
quite sad. That's from Mac and Danville writing into the
show tonight, I do want to pick up on what
Mack wrote in his email to us, and I agree,
that's been one of the challenges that we've had in

(01:00:54):
this state for so long, and it's deep seated in
this state. Maybe it's a bit of our history and
our heritage in this state that we have tried so
hard to be accepted. You get that feeling. I've lived
here since what nineteen seventy seven, and there's always been

(01:01:16):
a feeling that we just want to be accepted. We
want to be recognized for who we are. Yeah, we're
a bit quirky. We're different. You know, a lot of
people don't smoke, we don't drink. A lot of people
don't drink in this state. Our liquor laws are different.
You know, we are a bit peculiar. And because of that,

(01:01:38):
to me, it's always seemed like we've just had this
desire to be accepted. We you just like it. Remember,
remember I was just thinking of it. Remember the old
This really dates me. There was a TV show on
a long, long time ago. It was called The Flying
Nun and the star of the show was Sally Fields.

(01:02:00):
And of course, over the years she was highly criticized
for that television role. That she had, and then she
won an Academy Award, and I think it was for
her portrayal of Norma Ray in a movie of the
same name. And I remember in her acceptance speech to
the Academy Awards that night when she won, I think
she won for Best Actress. Her remarks at the beginning

(01:02:23):
of her address was you like me, you really really
like me. And I've always thought over the years that
that's what Utah has been saying to the rest of
the country and to the world sometimes, Hey, you like me,
you really like me, And maybe we just need to
get over that. We should be proud of the differences

(01:02:46):
that exist in this state versus other states. It's who
we are. Well we learned today or I saw this
today a from LaVar web Now. LeVar has been on
the show quite often over the years. Well known political consultant,
he's a contributor at the des Red News worked at
one time for a former Utah governor, Mike Levitt. But

(01:03:06):
it's time to say farewell and for some new adventures.
He's retiring. I thought we'd bring LeVar on the show
and talk to him a little bit about his thoughts
over the years and what has happened in Utah. It's
great to have you on the show, LeVar, and congratulations
on your retirement. I bet you're looking forward to it.

Speaker 14 (01:03:22):
Yes, Rob, thank you. Happy to be on with you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Let's talk about you've been doing this, LeVar for a
long long time. We just had a conversation with our
listeners talking about, you know, some of their concerns on
if Utah is losing its conservative core, if things are changing.
What are your observations if you've seen developed in Utah
grow up over the last couple of decades.

Speaker 14 (01:03:48):
Yeah, I think Utah has changed over the years. As
you said, I've been doing this a long time and
observing either observing or participating in politics for fifty the years,
so there has been an evolution. But I think that
Utah is still conservative at its core. I mean, I

(01:04:10):
look at our legislature and we certainly do have a
conservative legislature. It's not a it's not a real hardcore
kind of mean spirited conservatism. It's more of a collaborative
conservative conservatism. I wouldn't call it moderate. We do have
moderate politicians. But but the way I'd look at it

(01:04:34):
and and the way I kind of describe myself as
a mainstream conservative, and that's not conservative enough for some people,
it's too conservative for other people. You know, as I
have written my column over the years, I have been
very comfortable with kind of my position in politics because

(01:04:56):
I do think it reflects the the views of most,
not all, but a majority of Utahs. And again, that's
sort of a mainstream conservative, is the way I would
describe it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
You know, the national media loves to refer to Utah
quite often as the reddest of red states?

Speaker 14 (01:05:14):
Are we, LeVar, No, I don't think so. I think
there are other states that are more conservative, more and
more of the popular populist conservative that supports Donald Trump.
I think some of the Deep South states are more conservative.

(01:05:35):
I think some of our western states adjacent to s
Idaho and Wyoming perhaps are more conservative. You look at
our governor, you look at John Curtis is likely to
be the next US Senator, and they're pretty pretty moderate.
So we're conservative, but I wouldn't say we are the
reddest of red states.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Of all the stories over the years, LeVar, the you
have followed, what are some that really stick out to you?

Speaker 14 (01:06:04):
Oh boy, Yeah, that's a good question, you know, and
I don't know if I can identify one or two.
I have covered many, many political conventions from both parties
when I was political editor and big when I was
City editor managing editor. I remember some of the big

(01:06:27):
stories that broke, like the who was the fellow?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
The forger who Mark Hoffman?

Speaker 14 (01:06:34):
Mark Mark Kaufman. When he was about to be about
to be discovered, he decided to murder people you know well.
And I think one issue that I have written about
a lot, and it's not a sexy exciting issue, both
as a as a columnist and when I worked for
Governor Leven I worked on this, but is federalism. I believe, really,

(01:06:56):
really strongly that we have an imbalance in political power
in this country and that the federal government has taken
over too much of our lives, and that we ought
to the power and control a lot to be devolved
to the state levels. I think we would be better governed.
I think our budgets would be in much better shape.

(01:07:19):
I think the deficit is an enormous the debt is
an enormous threat to our country. So federalism is a
big issue that I've been involved in most of my career.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
And LeVar do you see it getting worse than better.

Speaker 14 (01:07:35):
You know, it certainly could. As you know, I've written
and said many times that I really have liked and
supported many of Donald Trump's policies. I haven't liked him
his character well, but I am very worried about Kamala Harris.

(01:07:56):
I do believe that she would take the country towards
more consolidated at the federal level and more control of
our lives and higher that I don't see. I think
it would be more big government programs as a solution
to everything, and I don't think big government is the
solution to everything. So I have real concerns about that,
and we could things could get worse before they eventually

(01:08:19):
get better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
LaVar, you mentioned federalism, but you know the state is growing,
the economy is doing very well, even though it does
have its challenges. Other than federalism, what would you identify
as maybe the top two challenges the Utah faces in
the future.

Speaker 14 (01:08:36):
Well, I think you identified one of them certainly, and
that is growth. We have to we can't stop growth,
and I don't advocate trying to stop growth. We need
jobs for our kids and grandkids, and we have lots
of space in Utah. If we didn't have so much
federal land, we could expand more. But so we can

(01:09:00):
accommodate the growth. And it's a good it's a good
problem because some other states and many many parts of
the world are declining in growth. And that's a boy.
If we think we, you know, have economic challenges, wait
till that hits. So growth, growth is is a challenge
coping with it, building the infrastructure, UH, And then you know,

(01:09:23):
I guess the other one I would identify is UH,
quality of life, maintaining our quality of life as we grow.
I don't think political partisanship and so forth, incivility is
I would identify that as a major problem at the
federal level, but I don't think it is so much
in Utah. We clearly have our differences among politicians and

(01:09:48):
parties and we disagree, but it's mostly done in you know,
in a in a good way. Democrats in the Utah legislature,
you know, get to sponsor major legislation, and so I
would not say that's the biggest problem in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Lav Our final question for you. I've been asked this
on a couple of occasions about running for political office,
and I've always said not interested. Have you ever been
asked or thought about it? Because you work with politicians,
You've seen how they operated. Have you ever said to yourself,
you know, I think I'm going to take a shot
at this because I think I could do it better.

Speaker 14 (01:10:21):
You know, I actually have thought a lot about that,
because I have periodically been asked to get quite you know,
why don't I run for office myself?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:10:33):
The reality is I would be a terrible politician. I'm
pretty I'm pretty good as an advisor, like I was
to Governor Levin. I'm pretty good as a comus. But
you know, I was trained in journalism. I see both sides,
you know too well. When you're a politician, you really
have to decide on a side on an issue and

(01:10:53):
go for it and play like the other side is terrible.
And you know I don't do that very well. And
then I am really more shy and reserved than a
politician you know needs to be. I prefer standing in
a corner rather than working in the room. I mean,
I can do it when I have to, but I

(01:11:14):
really would not be a good politician. As I said,
I think I'm a pretty good observer and writer about politics,
but would would not be a good candidate, you know,
running for office myself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
LeVar has always been a pleasure to have you on
the show. I know you're headed for some church service
in Hong Kong. That will be quite an adventure for
you and your wife. We've always appreciated your willingness to
come on and we wish you nothing but the best
in the future. Thank you, LeVar, Thank you. Rad All
right on our newsmaker line. That's LeVar Webb, political consultant,
former aide to former Governor Mike Levitt. Been around a

(01:11:51):
long long time, but him and his wife, he's announced
he's returning and him and his wife were off to
serve the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
in Hong Kong. All right, more coming up right here
on the rod Ra Kent Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN rs. It's been pretty amazing
over the last several days now, an effort on the
part of the media and the Democratic Party machine to

(01:12:14):
kind of reframe our rewrite Kamala Harris. She has a
very progressive history and a record and her stands some things.
I mean, we played a SoundBite a little while ago
in the show where she's even against Christmas. Apparently didn't
know that, did you? But what about this effort to
expunge evidence of her leftist history? Well, joining us on

(01:12:37):
our Newsmaker line to talk about that he wrote about
this today and the New York Post is James Bovart. James,
how are you welcome back to the Roder ur Kent Show.

Speaker 12 (01:12:45):
Hey, thanks very much for having me on Rod. I
appreciate that, James.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
I love it. I think this is the first turn,
first time evers I have ever seen this phrase. I
think it's called camela flage like camouflage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Where'd you come up with that?

Speaker 12 (01:13:00):
I think I saw that earlier this week a couple
of places online, and then I said, oh, it would
make a very nice headline, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Just picked it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:08):
I've been round with it so but it's it's a
perfect term for what's going on. I mean, there's there's
a phrase that Harris likes to use in her speeches.
She talks about having a future that is unburdened by
what has been, and apparently that's her view for her
own career as well, because she is expunging it all

(01:13:30):
and with a stampede by the media, and and it's
almost as if there was a magic wand one that
was waived. And you know, so many the pundits are
just kind of there, like their glazed eyes, and it's
almost anything that she wants to have done or exponged,

(01:13:52):
it's done. I mean, there was there was a New
York Times Peace on Monday that talked about that gave
her an absolution for every one positions she ever took
and said. Miss Harris also often appeared as if she
were not sure what she believed. Oh so we can't
criticize her then, okay, Well, you know, I mean this

(01:14:14):
is a heck of a standard James.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
You know, you point out and I love this. You know,
she said on numerous occasions over the years that she's
against erasing or even rewriting the ugly parts of our
history because we need to discuss them. Apparently she's okay
with erasing or rewriting the ugly parts of her own history.

Speaker 12 (01:14:36):
Well, I mean she's a typical Washington politician that way
that they have all these lofty dictates and these moral
absolutes except for themselves. I mean, there's all these always
this asterisk that exempts themselves from what they're trying to
forcibly impose on everybody else. But Harris was very outspoken

(01:14:57):
last year and criticizing the nor Florida for some of
his school efforts to kind of cut back on some
of the bogus history sixteen nineteen style history. And she
was so pioused. I mean, this is part of what
gets me about Harris is she's one of the most
pious politicians to come along in a long time. And

(01:15:20):
that's part of why the media is raced to put
her on a pedestal. It's like, but you know, pity
doesn't work out very well in politics. We can go
back to Bill Clinton, Obama, George W. Bush was pioused
after nine to eleven. Yeah, that worked out very badly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, James could. One of the reasons that she is
getting so much attention is the fact that she's kind
of like the shiny new toy. You know, you had Biden,
you had Trump. The polls indicated that a lot of
people didn't like either one of them. Biden has dropped out,
so she's kind of like the shiny new toy in

(01:15:58):
all of this. It's something different, and that's why the
media is focusing and giving her so much attention.

Speaker 12 (01:16:06):
I think that's part of it. But a huge part
of it is the bias of the reporter. Yeah, because
I mean there are you know, most of them are
liberal left. As far as the Washington corresponds, I think
they probably about ninety five percent vote Democratic, And so
there is there is a huge scoring there and it's
it's sad that this is a presidential race that's being

(01:16:29):
portrayed as a choice of Hitler or Joan of Arc.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Jez James. What about how is she going to deal
with this? Because you know, because of social media today,
there is a litany of comments that she's made over
the years about fracking, defunding the police, you name it,
all her progressive stands. How does she defend those knowing
that those are not going to go away and constantly

(01:16:55):
be replayed for the public to see.

Speaker 12 (01:16:58):
Well, I mean the folks that are paying attention to
recognize that, as you said, but uh, there's also a
vast number of folks who are just out there, like
there are sheep being led to the slaughter as far
as the polling, U. So there's there's so many folks, Uh,
there are so many folks that think that Trump is
so evil that any that that they're unwilling to believe

(01:17:22):
anything bad about his opponent. So, and there's a lot
of good reasons to criticize Donald Trump. So but uh,
there's there's just a standard of evidence and simply lacking
for a lot of voters and also for much of
the medium.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
How difficult of a position is she in do you
think right now, James on the selection of a VP
running mate? She has some challenges there as well, right.

Speaker 12 (01:17:45):
Uh, yeah, yeah, I've been sitting by my phone. It
hasn't rang. Yeah, No, I mean she's got to. I mean,
I think this's difficult for her in part because some
of the people that would be strongest don't want to
jump on the tail because there was a sense that
she's going to crash and burn as far as not
coming close to winning. So and it's kind of hard

(01:18:08):
to play second fiddle to someone who has disowned their
entire political life history.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah. Yeah, what about debates? How do you see her
faring in debates between Donald Trump? If in fact these
debates happen.

Speaker 12 (01:18:23):
Well, there there are there are two questions. One is
whether she'd be able to keep her a laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Off the we can hope.

Speaker 12 (01:18:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's I mean, uh, it makes
Beavis and butt heads sound reasonable and and uh. And
the second question is which Donald Trump shows up. I mean,
during that first debate with Biden this year, Trump was
very disciplined and focused, but I think it's some of
the other debates he's been in and it was like

(01:18:53):
a loose cannon blowing himself up. Yeah, it's it'd be
a wild card.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Do you final question, James, I've really enjoyed this conversation.
Do you see a tight, tight race right until the finish?

Speaker 12 (01:19:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Really, no, No.

Speaker 12 (01:19:09):
I think that Harris is getting a huge boost right now.
But I think it's almost like a bipolar reaction among
a lot of Democrats that were so desperate to have
a change from Biden. So she's getting a huge boost now.
I think unless Trump screws himself, and that's certainly possible,
that he should be able to win by a decent margin.

(01:19:33):
But I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Wrong before, Yeah, as we all have. James was always
thank you very much for a few times, a few
minutes of your time tonight. Hope to have you back
on again.

Speaker 12 (01:19:41):
Thank you, Hey, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
All right, on our Newsmaker line. That's James Boulevard. He
is a columnist at the New York Post, talking about
an effort on the part of Kamala Harris and her
handlers to erase her past and create a new history. Now,
he did mention a moment ago when we were talking
about the debates that you know, it will be a
real challenge for her not to cackle during the debates.

(01:20:06):
Can you imagine listening to abate a debate between Trump
and Harris and listening to this all night? So I'm sorry, folks,

(01:20:41):
that's you know, that's torture. I mean to listen to that.
I've got about a minute and a half of that
if you'd really like to hear all of it, but
I think about thirty to forty seconds it's plenty. And
that laugh, it's showing up all the time. Every time
she does it. It drives me nuts. Every time I
hear her, she drives me nuts. And I hope over time,

(01:21:03):
now we've got what ninety eight ninety seven days, now
you're going to hear that over and over and over
again because it's a nervous laugh. She does know how
to respond to some questions, so she laughs first. I
don't know if it relaxes her, if it distracts her,
if she thinks she's being funny. But that laugh drives

(01:21:23):
a lot of people, including me.

Speaker 11 (01:21:26):
Just cuckoo.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
All right, more coming up on the rod Arcutcho and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. Are you
ready for this? I can't believe that ads like this
are still popping up.

Speaker 11 (01:21:43):
I'm a two times Trump voter, voted for Donald Trump
in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I had voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:21:49):
I will never support Donald Trump. I'm not going to
vote for him. In twenty twenty four, he said our
military servicemen are suckers and losers.

Speaker 7 (01:21:57):
He still believes that the twenty twenty you stole and
he lost the election fair and square. Donald Trump was
responsible for the violence of the court on January sixth.

Speaker 11 (01:22:06):
He fanned the flats.

Speaker 15 (01:22:07):
In all of these port cases.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
The numerous felonies.

Speaker 11 (01:22:11):
I can't support a person like that.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
I'm concerned about a second Donald Trump turned.

Speaker 10 (01:22:15):
He wants to terminate our constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
There will be no guards.

Speaker 11 (01:22:18):
He's going to seek retribution against his enemies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
He will pull us out of NATO.

Speaker 11 (01:22:22):
Trump said he'll be a dictator on day one of
his presidence.

Speaker 13 (01:22:25):
He Trump West burned down our democracy and rule over
the ashes.

Speaker 7 (01:22:29):
He's putting Donald Trump first, and to hell with democracy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
I will never vote for Trump again.

Speaker 11 (01:22:34):
He'll never get my polpe ever. Ever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
That is an ad that is I understand right now
running in Michigan. It's basically Republicans for Harris? Can you
believe that? While joining us on our newsmaker line to
talk about this effort right now as our good friend
Lincoln Brown, a contributor to PJ Media, Lincoln, how are
you welcome back to the Rod Arcat show.

Speaker 15 (01:22:56):
It's a pleasure, always a pleasure to be with you, Rod,
I'll say that. But second, I can't believe you made
me sit through that a second time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
What about you know, what are these people up to?
What can't they get over? In your opinion, Lincoln.

Speaker 15 (01:23:11):
They can't get over the fact that people are drifting
toward Trump in increasing numbers. That's one thing. Second, they're
not stupid. They're evil, but they're not stupid. They know
they have to have a sizeable win this time around,
and they're pulling.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
Out all the stops.

Speaker 15 (01:23:25):
I mean, if these people are Republicans voting against Trump,
I'm the high Chancellor of the Klingon Empire.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Who is paying for all of this? Lincoln?

Speaker 15 (01:23:34):
You know there is a pack that is paying for
all of this. And give me just a second to
pull it up here. The pack is called Republican Voters
against Trump and this is a five hundred thousand billboard
campaign and that's going to be in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
It's already up right now. And they have lots of
very nice looking people that may be Republicans or they

(01:23:55):
may be AI creations I'm not sure stating basic Republican
and things. And then they're saying, well, I'm voting for Trump.
And I think the one that I hit on was
a guy named Tom from Michigan who is for the Constitution,
but he's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Voting for Harris.

Speaker 11 (01:24:09):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:24:10):
I don't know who can be for the Constitution and
vote Democrat at this point. But you know, we live
in a wondrous age and I guess science fiction is
all their age at the Munt Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Do they realize that this there aren't that many never
Trumpers left around anymore? Do they realize that I don't.

Speaker 15 (01:24:27):
Think they do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I think that they are worried.

Speaker 15 (01:24:31):
What happened was when Biden tanked during a debate that
honestly made me uncomfortable to watch, and it was going
to be bad bad.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
I didn't it was going to be bad bad. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:24:40):
Yeah, And they thought the doom and gloom came out,
the doom says came out. They looked in the crystal
balls and said, oh, we're done for. And then long
comes Harris and they have this big boost of energy
because their savior has finally arrived. They've got the person
that looks and sounds exactly like they want their candidate
to look and sound, and they want to try to
put the final on the coffin. And you're right, there

(01:25:01):
aren't that many never trumpers left. I think a lot
of the never trumpers out there are probably closet Trumpers.
They just don't want to lose any social standing by
admitting their voting for Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
On good point, good point, Lincoln, Lincoln. What you know?
As soon as listening to that ad that we just played,
it almost sounds like these people were given the talking
points by the Democrats. I mean, they're so well rehearsed.
I wonder how much say you know, you do you
get a sense this was just spontaneous or were they
given talking points?

Speaker 15 (01:25:31):
Either they were given talking points or they were Democrats
that were drafted into this job. And you know, the
actual website, you can click on it from from my
piece on PJ. You can actually click on the website
and they bring up you can watch testimonials is what
they call them. And every single one of these testimonials
are talking points, either back from twenty sixteen or immediately

(01:25:53):
after Jay six And there's about eight people that are
allegedly i should say eight alleged people that are allegedly
from you on that site who are also saying how
miserable they are, how sad they are, and how they
are not going to vote for Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
You know, Jim I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:26:09):
Is Jim from Utah says we have a country with
rules and it doesn't even understand the rule of law.
This is Dean from Utah and Dean I'm not sure
if Dean really exists, but Dean says the president of
the United States should be a person that people.

Speaker 12 (01:26:23):
Can look up to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
You know, all of the stuff they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Quite honestly, you could.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Switch out Donald Trump for Joe Biden, and it would
be as true as the Bible. At this point, do
they do you get a sense, Lincoln, that they really
do support Kamala Harris, knowing her progressive record.

Speaker 15 (01:26:42):
They if you're talking about Democrats, they do support Donald
They do support Kamala Harris, because anybody but Trump at
this point, I really don't think that any.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Of these people are legit.

Speaker 15 (01:26:54):
Maybe a few of them are legit, but I don't
think for them, by and large most of them are legit.
I could see if you're a Republican looking at Trump
and you know, I'm voting for the guy. But I
could see if you're a Republican you're looking at Trump
and there are things about him that maybe you don't like,
things that you don't find tasteful, things that maybe put
you off a little bit. But I cannot see anybody
can look at the past four years and consciously and

(01:27:17):
with any semblance of peace, any conservative vote for the
Democrats this time around.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
How many people out there exist? Do you think, Lincoln,
these are and we've seen surveys, You're well aware of them,
that there are people out there who don't like either
Donald Trump or Joe Biden, and you know, they were
just looking for a new candidate. Is Kamala Harris to
them the shiny new toy that they're now playing with.

Speaker 15 (01:27:43):
No, I don't think that for a minute they may
vote for Harris. I would see them probably going for
Kennedy before they vote for Harris. I was reading a
thing the other day. They did a focused group with
a bunch of women who were either independent or Democrat,
and one of them said about Harris quote and this
is actual quote.

Speaker 10 (01:28:02):
She's an idiot.

Speaker 15 (01:28:03):
Another one said, I would vote for Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
I would vote for Kennedy before I vote for Harris. Yeah,
what about her likability factor? You know, Hillary, A lot
of people just didn't like Hillary. Do people like Kamala?

Speaker 11 (01:28:18):
I don't think people do like Kamala.

Speaker 15 (01:28:20):
I think the people that like Kamala are going to
be the people that just want to get a Democrat
back in no matter what.

Speaker 14 (01:28:25):
You know, you saw the the.

Speaker 15 (01:28:27):
Awful, the horrible thing that the women calling into the
zoom call. Oh yeah, and they had this thing that
sounded like they were talking a room full kindergartener's And
then you had that horrific, just just pathetic white dudes
for hair, which just I feel sorry for those men.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Actually, yeah they are. Yeah a good term pathetic. That's
exactly what it was, Lincoln. Lincoln adds always great chatting
with you. I know we'll be speaking again. Thank you anytime.
All right on our newsmaker line. That is Lincoln Brown
a contributor to PJ Media. So I can about this
campaign being waged and like get raising some good questions.
If you didn't hear it all played here in a second,

(01:29:06):
but is Republicans for Harris? Listen to this.

Speaker 7 (01:29:12):
I'm a two times Trump voter, voted for Donald Trump
in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, I voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
I will never support Donald Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:29:21):
I'm not going to vote for him. In twenty twenty four, he.

Speaker 14 (01:29:24):
Said our military servicemen are suckers and losers.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
He still believes that the twenty twenty electional.

Speaker 11 (01:29:29):
Stole and he lost the election fair and square.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Donald Trump was responsible for the violence that occurred on
January sixth. He fanned the fleets.

Speaker 15 (01:29:37):
In all of these court cases.

Speaker 11 (01:29:39):
The numerous felonies. I can't support a person like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
I'm concerned about a second.

Speaker 15 (01:29:43):
Donald Trump turned he wants to terminate our constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
There will be no guards.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
He's going to seek retribution against his enemies.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
He will pull us out of NATOO.

Speaker 11 (01:29:52):
Trump said he'll be a dictator on day one of
his presidencies. Trumps burned down our democracy and rule over
the ashes.

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
He's putting Donald Trump first, and to hell with democracy.

Speaker 11 (01:30:02):
I will never vote for Trump again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
You'll never get my pault ever ever. A list of
democratic talking points, no doubt, voiced by people who say
they're Republican. We don't know for sure if they are,
but they say they are. And this ad is running
in several swing states to the tune of about a
half million dollars, being put together by a political action committee.

(01:30:24):
All right, more coming up here on the Rod our
Ken Show on this Thursday evening and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine knrs. I want to take for
a minute. I want to take you back to what
happened yesterday before the National Association of Black Journalists. Donald
Trump was invited and a Republican has been invited to
that event for a long long time, and Donald Trump said,

(01:30:47):
all right, I'll accept your invitation, knowing that he was
going in front of a hostile crowd. The beginning of
it started very very badly because the Rachel Scott, who
works for ABC News, was a whole and she couldn't
even say hello, thank you for coming, mister Trump or
former President Trump. She couldn't do that. She immediately went

(01:31:10):
after him about a lot of lot of different issues.
Then she asked a question about DEI, the fact that
Republicans had labeled Kamala Harris as the DEI vice president
and the DEI president. Here was his response, and this
is what has gotten him so much attention in the
last twenty four to forty eight hours.

Speaker 16 (01:31:31):
It was always of Indian heritage, and she was only
promoting Indian heritage.

Speaker 11 (01:31:36):
I didn't know she was black.

Speaker 16 (01:31:38):
Until a number of years ago when she happened to
turn black. And now she wants to be known as black.
So I don't know is she Indian or is she black?

Speaker 9 (01:31:45):
She is always I know.

Speaker 16 (01:31:48):
College I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because
she was Indian all the way and then all of
a sudden she made a turn and she went she
became a black.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Just to be clear, I think somebody should look into
that too.

Speaker 16 (01:32:01):
When you ask a continue in a very hostile nasty time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Now do you realize did you can't? To Rachel Skins say, well,
she has always identified as black. Well, we decided to
do a little bit of digging into all of this.
The story today in the Economic Times. This is a headline.
This is from August back in twenty twenty. The headline reads,

(01:32:28):
I stand before you as the first candidate for US
Vice president of South Asian descent. The story goes on
to say Democratic Vice presidential nominee Senator Kamala Harris, during
her maiden address to the Indian American community, reflected on

(01:32:49):
her proud Indian heritage and recalled how her mother always
wanted to instill in her a love for good. Idy
Harris fifty five, the first black to be selected as
a vice presidential candidate, but also identifies as a VP
candidate of Southeast descent. Then you have this story Business

(01:33:14):
Insider Politics. The story is available to Insider. Attorney General
Kamala Harris wins the open Senate seat, replacing retiring Democratic
Senator Barbara Boxer in a race that featured two Democrats.
California is Kamala Harris becomes the first Indian American US

(01:33:38):
Senator Here any mentioned that she is black. No, two
stories now identifying her as an in the Indian American.
So you can see that over time, and even there's
a story out today even on her birth certificate she

(01:33:59):
identify flies herself as Indian of Indian descent, South Indian descent.
So you can see that Donald Trump just pointed out
something that is true, you know, and of course the
media is going absolutely bonkers over this. But what he

(01:34:21):
is saying is looking, you know, what is she? Is
she a Indian American or is she Black American? Does
it matter? Can she be both? You know? But if
she has now claimed to be a Black American just

(01:34:42):
to try and gain some black votes in this country
and to head off what they're starting to see in
the black community, more and more Blacks are liking Donald Trump,
is this her effort? So you know, the media went crazy. Now.
The interesting thing someone pointed this out earlier today. Mitt

(01:35:06):
Romney appeared before the National Convention or National Association of
Black Journalists when he was running against Donald or Barack
Obama back in twenty twelve. He showed up. He also
got booed during that meeting. During that convention remarks, Donald

(01:35:27):
Trump shows up Now the media will say, well, did
you hear the booze? They weren't all booze. There were
some that were cheering for Donald Trump and some who
may have reacted to what he was saying. But he
spoke the truth. And what he was saying to people
there is, look, is she Indian American or is she

(01:35:50):
Black American? He said, I respect both, I respect Indians,
I respect blacks, but what is she? And that's all
he was saying. And he just pointed it out the obvious.
That isn't it interesting now that she is running as
a Black American when all the time before this she
has always identified herself as of Indian descent. Just telling

(01:36:15):
the truth to you. Speaking of the truth. Texas officials
are responding now to a local high school that painted
over pro Trump designs made by students in parking spaces
for their senior year decision. Here's the story. The students
at Keller High School are allowed to purchase parking spots

(01:36:36):
for two hundred dollars and paint them in their senior
year so they can park in them. So everybody has
their little parking spot. They pay two hundred dollars to
park there, and the school allows them to paint whatever
they want in their parking spot. I actually think it's
pretty cool idea, which I would have thought of that. Well,

(01:36:57):
apparently there were two students who decided to paint designs
to honor former President Trump. There's nothing offensive or controversial
about respectfully painting or honoring a current or former president. Well,
after reviewing the designs, the school ordered they be painted

(01:37:19):
over with gray paint. The school sent a statement about
his decision to WFAA television there in Dallas that said,
we can confirm there were a few spots that had
to be repainted because they included content that had the

(01:37:39):
potential to cause unnecessary distractions to the learning environment. Every year,
a student will attempt to include a political message in
their address. When that occurs, campus administrators are allowed to
paint over the space. Well, after the story started getting
attention online, officials in Texas said they would step in

(01:38:03):
to correct the school district's actions. The board president wrote
on his Facebook page that the board would take up
the cause for the pro Trump students. I'm not sure
what they painted or what they had to say, but
apparently it was offensive enough that the school felt they
need to cover it up,

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