The Rod and Greg Show: How Springfield, Ohio Became Epicenter of Immigration Debate

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How are you. Everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine K and RS.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm Rod Arkent, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
We have got another jam packed three hours and we
hope you stay with us throughout your ride home. On
this Thursday afternoon, if you can believe it or not,
we're going to go to Ohio. We're going to find
out what's going on in Springfield, Ohio and how this
all started. Steve Moore will join us. He has some questions.
He's asking about Kamala's economic predictions that you made during

(00:30):
the debate the other night. And we're all talking about
school based mental health initiatives. Yes, we'll explain what that
is and what's working and what's not working in our
schools today. So we've got a lot to get to today,
and if you want to be a part of it
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or on your cell phone, all you do is have

(00:51):
to dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, now
where do we start on the campaign today?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
You know what, there's a lot of dust settling over
this debate. There's a lot of new information that at
least new to me, you know that I didn't know
about the backgrounds of these moderators or the relationships with
Kamala Harris and her campaign. There's a potential whistleblower out
there at ABC News ready to disclose some important information
about whether the questions or the nature of those questions

(01:20):
were disclosed to the Harris campaign early. There's a lot,
there's some things happened people are talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, the one thing that people are finding out about
today and why didn't we know this before the debate?
Lindsey Davis, one of the moderators from ABC Sorority's sister
with Kamala Harris. Yeah, ior detail. You know, you know,
I was not a member of fraternity, really didn't care.
But if you're a member of sorority or fraternity, you're

(01:47):
kind of like kin for life, isn't that in that
basically the take on.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It, Well, yes, and you can assume that that's how
they these two feel about each other, because the way
this has come out or been reported is that she
was on a podcast bragging about the relationship and about
the sorority sister connection and so look when we talk
about people want to I think Trump today said I'm
not doing another debate. We're not doing it again. And
I like that because I think there's circuses. I think

(02:11):
it's a farce. There's no real debate going on. But
I will say this, he would have every right in
the world go, where's my fraternity brother.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, we're gonna go do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
We're gonna use this formula ABC that you just did,
and we're gonna do it the exact Not just Fox
News and Martha McCallum. That's not as, that's not his
fraternity brother. Go find someone who has that close relationship
with you, and let's see how this whole thing rolls out.
It's and that's why you don't do the debate at all,
because you would have to go and put your thumb
on the scale as bad as they did. And now
you're just now it's just it's not even real.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well, you know, Kamala Harris is out there campaigning again
today and her whole thing is a new way forward.
We're going to change America, right, We're going to change America,
and you know, we're going to bring the country together.
I think Joe Biden said that about four years ago
and has done a horrible job in bringing the country together.
And how do you bring the country together, Greg, when

(03:00):
you've got people on MSNBC like this next guy, his
name is Ellie Mastall, I believe right, very critical of
anything to do with Donald Trump and anybody who supports
Donald Trump. Well, he was on MSNBC last night. This
is what he said about Donald Trump and his supporters.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I can talk. I mean, everything he does is despicable.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
The reason why it doesn't and his career is because
his supporters are just as despicable, all right. Like Trump's
whole thing. He's a narcissist, right, and so his whole
thing is to have a complete lack of compassion and
empathy for everybody else.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's all about him.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's why he lies about nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's all about and him.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Me, me, me, it's he's probably the least compassionate president
we've had.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
In two hundred years since Andrew Jackson. And it works
for him.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Because his supporters are just as ungenerous and have just
as little compassion and empathy for others.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, let's see, So what is the number seventy three
million Americans have no compassion and don't care about anybody
else but themselves. That's what this guy is saying.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
So we had we had, we had seventy four million
people vote for Trump in twenty four and twenty twenty.
You've seen a larger coalition of black voters, Latino voters, minorities.
You have disaffected voters that are that are coming his way.
That coalition continues to build. And that character just said,
they're all despicable people.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah. Me, I'm a dispayed. We're despicable. We support Presidents Trump.
Apparently we're despicable.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, And this is this whole narrative of he's a
narcissist and everything. They just there's just there's really no
words left or sentences left to disparage the man. They've
used them all, and they've used them a million times
over and they're not based in anything real. They just
don't like they don't like that he's not a puppet,
he's not someone they can push around.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, here's how despicable Donald Trump is. And hopefully Greg
and I can get through this. This is tough, but
it was put on social media today and this was
a letter sent to a little boy in New York.
His name is Liam. Cute little guys, what would you say?
Six seven, eight years old, eight birs his eighth birthday.
He's got some real health challenges headed his way. Well,

(05:09):
apparently they recorded that today Liam got a letter from
a certain individual. And we're gonna let you hear this exchange.
And you know this is a tearjerker, folks, But what
a cute story this is. This is what happened with
Liam as he gets ready to celebrate his eighth birthday today,
he's opening a letter.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Can you ready?

Speaker 6 (05:32):
Ellam you sure?

Speaker 7 (05:39):
It says, Dear Liam, Happy eighth birthday, Missus Trump and
I hope you enjoyed the special occasion surrounded by the
love of your family and friends.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
We are so encouraged by the strength and determination you
have shown throughout your young life and send our love
and best wishes to you as you continue to fight.
Remember you had never alone, and we are keeping you
in our thoughts and prayers for continued health, for continued
care and good health. May God bless you and your
family stay strong. Sincerely, can you tell me who sign

(06:12):
that he knew was your birthday coming up? What do
you see to him?

Speaker 8 (06:21):
I love ital.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow. You have to see the video of that little
boy and reacting that he got a letter from a
former president telling him to hang in and be strong.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's tough. I mean, it's on acts. And if you
see the face on this little boy who is facing
some real serious health challenges and for his birthday he
gets a letter from Donald and Millennia Trump, it's powerful.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I got a warn your folks. You watch this. Yeah, well,
young man, he's got a.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Brain disorder, so he has to eat. Sign language is
while he's talking that he loves him. It's a beautiful expression.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So when you hear people like this guy at MSNBC
who calls Donald Trump despicable and anybody who supports him despicable,
and then you see the video of that little boy
reading a letter from the former president wishing him a
happy birthday and telling him to remain strong as he
faces all these medical challenges, you tell us who's right.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, hots off that family for sending that out and
letting a highly prolific person on X be able to
share that with the American people, because that's a side
you don't see a President Trump or just the reaction
of that young little boy, how much I meant to him.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And it's not a fake. I mean you can see
the letter in the video as and you see and
Donald Trump has a very recognizable signature and you can
see it. And good for you know, good so for
this guy on MSNBC to call Trump despicable and everybody
else who supports him despicable.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You think that family is Oilsewhere would you please?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
All right, We've got a lot to get to today
here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk
radio one oh five nine K and our answer. You
mentioned this moment ago during the break, Greg, I think
the dust is now starting to settle on the debate
that we saw on Tuesday night. Yes, and people are
starting to take a look at it. They're kind of
examining what each of the candidates had to say or

(08:22):
didn't say, and it's kind of interesting to see how
things are developing now.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, it's I think that ABC has made such a
mockery of the process, and I think that even their
peers in the media are trying to distance themselves from
what that whatever that was. And this is what we
talked about is yesterday I thought maybe the legacy or
what would be always remembered from that debate would not
be what was actually the exchange or who won or lost,

(08:48):
but really ABC's abhorrent behavior and not really having a
debate at all. Yeah, and I think what's coming out
today and some of the other like CNN and everyone
else is trying to compensate for that, because I don't
think they want to be painted with that brush.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, remember CNN. I think it was the night or
the day of the debate, or maybe the evening before
Aaron Burnett did a segment on I think what she
calls the k File or something like that on CNN
where she showed how Kamala Harris responded to a questionnaire
from the ACL You remember that, and one of the
questions was what about providing surgery for trans illegal aliens

(09:29):
in the country, And she said, yes, I support it,
and yes I think taxpayer should pay for it, and
this whole list of things, right, they exposed him.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Well, now you have.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Jake Tapper, now Jake Tapper, and this is again CNN.
So I'm not sure what's wrong with CNN right now,
but they're doing at least a little bit of good work.
He decided to go back and take a look at
a few of Kamala's answers on the debate the other night,
and this is what he found.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
Vice President Harris began the debate by punting the first
question on the economy.

Speaker 10 (09:58):
Do you believe Americans are better off the they were
four years ago?

Speaker 8 (10:01):
So I was raised as a middle class kid, and
I am actually the only person on this stage who
has a plan that is about lifting up the middle
class and working people of America.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
It went on from there. Despite the economy being the
number one issue facing the country, the sitting Vice president
generally reverted to talking points about a few of.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Her policy proposals.

Speaker 9 (10:23):
Even harris allies today are saying that she needs to
talk more about what she will do for Americans if elected.
On the border another vulnerable issue for Harris, she also dodged.

Speaker 10 (10:36):
Would you have done anything differently from president?

Speaker 1 (10:38):
By numbus.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
So I'm the only person on this stage who has
prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs,
and human beings.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Okay, that wasn't the question.

Speaker 9 (10:51):
When asked how she would break through the Israel Hamas
war stalemate, Harris said.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
This, we need a cease fire deal, and we need
the hostage out and so we will continue to work
around the clock on that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay, But again, yeah, I mean he points out three things.
She didn't answer any of the questions, and I think
greg the first question about the economy, about what's going
on in America today, she couldn't answer. That says everything
about Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's really surprising to me that they would they're doing this.
I'm glad they are. Yeah, I think, and I think
that it is that they went the ABC was so
egregious in their behavior that I maybe that's why they
all feel like they've got to throw something substantive into
the mix and into the discussion.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
But you know, they don't want Donald Trump to win.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
So I don't know how far they're going to go,
but I will tell you she is not in a
position to answer a single policy question because that coalition
of votes that she has is not enough to win
at the moment. If it's to grow, she can't leave
behind anyone. So she can't get too strong with Israel
or the Prohomas Michigan crowd's going to leave her. She
can't get too strong on fracking and extraction and oil

(12:02):
and gas or the environmentalists will leave her every single issue.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
She cannot.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
She doesn't have the ability to explain anything specific, certainly
not going to tell the American people how much she's
going to tax six five trillion dollars in tax increases.
She can't really articulate that very well because it's not
a good story. So I just think that I will.
I'm curious to see, actually if she will actually agree
to debates with any of these media outlets, and if
any of these media outlets will actually require her to

(12:30):
do more than just talk in generality.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, Well Trump said today he's not interested in another debate,
nor should be. He could change his mind, but most
likely he's not. You know, I don't want to focus
too much on the moderators because I think the real
focus needs to be on Kamala Harris and what she
stands for. Right, But I do want to go back
to the moderators for just a minute, because the president
and co founder of the Commission on Presidential Debates, which

(12:55):
up until Joe Biden stepped in, you know, handled all
the president's debate His name is where do you go?
It's Frank Fhrenkoff, Junior was on newsbacks last night and
he talked about the moderators and really how bad they did.

Speaker 11 (13:11):
A debate is between the candidates, not the debate between
the candidate and the moderators. And these moderators, as so
far as I was concerned, it was the worst performance
that I've seen. And as I said, I've done thirty
three of these things over the years. I don't know
what their thoughts were, but they clearly were oversized. I
think on the way they treated the former president and

(13:32):
the way they treated the president vice president, I think
they bent backwards to help her.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, everybody sees this. They bent backwards to help her.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
That man was in charge of what was supposed to
be in their best effort at an unbiased presidential commission
and debate commission. And he's done thirty and he had
that much criticism for what happened.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I mean, that does say a lot. That sure does.
Let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
We got Marshall in Salt Lake City who wants to
join us on the conversation about this. Since afternoon. Marshall,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (14:06):
Very good. I'm glad to Smokey Aer is clearing up.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, same here, Marshall. We're with you on that one.

Speaker 12 (14:14):
Hey, I just wanted to make a quick comment.

Speaker 13 (14:17):
If if you're complaining about the refs, then you lost
the game, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, No, I agree, And I think that's honestly, Marshall,
thanks for the comment, because I think that's the too
big to rig approach that the Trump campaign's trying to
take with this is saying, look, we think there will
be irregularities even in these large metropolitan areas in this country.
You got to get a voter turnout that's big enough
that they just don't have enough registered voters by way

(14:44):
of raw number to overcome, so they have to be
too big to riga And yeah, I think that for
all the circumstances combined, Trump had some had some very
good points he could have made did not make. And
and so I'll tell you, I believe she won the debate.
I think it was three against one. I think there's
a lot of variables to that. But I don't think

(15:04):
you can watch that debate and think that he came
away to victor. I don't know least.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, Yeah, all right, we've got a lot to get
to today. We invite you to stay with us when
we come back after a news update at the bottom
of the hour. We are going to find out what
happened in Springfield, Ohio. I mean that has become the
epicenter of the debate and the migrant crisis. We're gonna
find out how it all started. That's coming up right
here on the Roden greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio

(15:29):
one oh five nine K and RS.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think it's an important story to focus on because
I do think that the issues that David grappling with
what's not it's for years. This doesn't just show up
during this election cycle. They've had some very difficult times,
but those are times that we're seeing across the country.
You can take what's going on there and we can
extrapolate it across towns across America. So this this is
a very I hope to spend a lot more time

(15:53):
on this situation in Springfield, Ohio going forward because it applies.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, it's relevantly, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Joining us on our newsmaker line right now to talk
more about this is Anna Garattelli. She is the homeland
security reporter at the Washington Examiner. We've had Anna on
the show before. She does a great job in covering
the border, but now she's decided to take a look
at what's going on in Springfield, Ohio. Anda, thanks for
joining us. Take us back Anna, if you would. How
did all of this get started?

Speaker 14 (16:22):
Yeah, Springfield is a town in the Midwest, fifteen hundred
miles from the border, and yet it's at the center
of this debate right now. It started about two years
ago a number of Haitian migrants who were entering the
US not at the border, rather through parole programs. The
Biden administration has allowed for people to fly into the
country directly. They started resettling in Springfield. It's got a

(16:46):
great jobs market, a lot of opportunity, low cost of living,
and so word spread. Last year, a child in Springfield
was killed in a car accident caused by one of
these Haitian immigrants there.

Speaker 12 (17:00):
So that was.

Speaker 14 (17:01):
Really kind of the catalyst pit Pete. Some people to say,
you know, they're causing this problem, other saying that this
has nothing to do with with this. It was an accident,
and so what happened was a couple of weeks ago
we had a report to the police about some certain
individuals who appeared to be Haitian migrants carrying geese away

(17:25):
from apart and so jd Vance, the Senator of Ohio,
certainly knows this is going on in his own backyard,
and he's the one who's been giving in more airtime.
And then on Tuesday, what we saw was former President
Donald Trump mentioning this at the debate and really giving it,
you know, new life, really putting it on the national level.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
So and the reason why there's a we hear in Utah,
there's a little bit of a parallel. We have a
small in a suburban city of about sixty thousand people
similarly sized, not with twenty thousand, but probably ten percent
of its population, So probably six to seven thousand refugees
that have been are housed, and there's some consequences with

(18:09):
your education system and all those things that have come
along with that. So we're tracking those stories very closely.
I was surprised that Springfield as the city has created
this Immigrants Accountability Response Team, which is focusing on jobs, housing,
and driver's education, because there's been some reports that that
bus accident isn't just a standalone incident, that there's been

(18:30):
automobile crashes because you have people that have never driven
before without licenses that are trying to drive. I know
that if the cats aren't being eaten, My question is
this is that, Okay, let's forget the story, because we
got kids dying in buses, We've got people still crashing,
we still have people being harassed in their homes.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
The rental market is out of control.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
No one can afford to live there anymore because they're
putting in people at high prices into the rentals. Isn't
there something legitimate happening there that we should be paying
attention to.

Speaker 14 (19:00):
The springfield is the tree for the forest, right, It's
one city that is just like so so many other
countless towns and cities across the country. You know, we
think of New York City. New York has had over
two hundred thousand people come from the border under Biden
and seek assistance. There's plenty of others who had showed
up and not seeking excuse me, assistance. But you know,

(19:24):
when you have any group, you know, whether it be
one hundred years ago or today, people need help adjusting
to this new place. And that comes with, you know,
a thousand things, how to drive a car if you've
never driven a car. Yes, so many other factors, and
I think the Springfield is like New York and the

(19:44):
fact that officials there realized, I mean they're not they're
not surprised by what's going on. They're like, we've been
trying to deal with this for a couple of years
and deal with yees. It's it's a burden on city resources,
or it's it's certainly a greater demand and also source
of things. People you know from Haiti speak French creole
and so they need translators all these different sites around

(20:09):
the city like the DMV or even in the schools
and such, and so yeah, I think it's it's really Uh.
The animal issue has has given a voice to people
on either side of the issue.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
And it's not just two sides.

Speaker 14 (20:24):
There's you know, people can have all different types of views,
but to say, hey, what's happened at the border and
what's happened with programs the Bide administration has created to
parole people into the country so they don't have to
cross the border, but they're not refugees. It is having
an impact and it's hard, it's hard to quantify it

(20:44):
except for when you hear of these anecdotal things that
it's happening in my town, or it's Salt Lake City,
there's a suburb. But certainly this is a major, major
story that's been impacting the US for years now and
it's going to continue.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
To Were these refugees, were they assigned to Springfield? Were
they invited in by Springfield city officials? How did they
end up getting there in the first place.

Speaker 14 (21:10):
Yeah, So refugee is a legal term that's really very
rare for someone to actually be a refugee. These were
people who were outside. There were so under Biden four
hundred and seventy thousand Haitians having encountered at the border
trying to enter. Just about eighty thousand came over the
southern border illegally. The remainder many of them were flown

(21:31):
in through a Biden parole program that allows you from
abroad to apply and if you have a sponsor in
the US, you can then fly into the country on
your own dollar on a commercial flight and your parole,
you're given a work permit to work in the country
for two years, and you can renew that status. And
this is something that the White House has not done before.

(21:54):
They circumvented Congress. But it allows you to be anywhere
in the country. And so if you have a sponsor, say,
your sister already did this. She's in Miami, she says.
This is you know, Miami's great. There's a lot of
opportunity here. There's a lot of different cultures. There's people
who speak our language and you know, make our food,
and it's it feels like, you know, somewhat similar to home.

(22:17):
What happened in this case, the New York Times reported
was there were a lot of Haitians living in Miami,
and they learned of a lot of job opportunity in Springfield.
The city didn't recruit people. The city just had a
lot of openings, and so it was truly a word
of mouth thing. And so people started moving there. And
then people coming to the country started just going straight

(22:39):
to Springfield, Ohio instead of you know, stopping somewhere else.
And then and so we've seen this, this this chain.
It's a great you know, it's a great example of
the telephone game, right where people ward gets out, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Word does get out. Anna, thank you for joining us.
Anna Garrettelli. She is the Homeland security reporter the Washington examiner.
And as you pointed out earlier, Greg, this is happening
in towns all around the country. There's another town I
saw today. I think it's in Pennsylvania where you've got
a town that's being invaded by my you know, refugees
and you know the country. My opinion is, we're a

(23:15):
very compassionate country. We want to help people out, we
want to give them a chance, but we have to
do it in an orderly fashion or we're going to
be overrun. And I'm worried that meant we may be
in the early stages of that taking place.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, and this is an important detail here, and we
weren't able to bring it up in the in the
interview just now, but the Ohio Attorney general elected Attorney General,
said that that he is launching a massive investigation on
how to deal with the federal governments enabling this many
Haitian refugees to come to a town of sixty thousand.
And he says, and this is the important detail. It's

(23:48):
not a migrant issue. It is the number we're talking about.
It is the proportion that is coming to us a
city the size of sixty thousand. Could you imagine if
you have that kind of that large graphic, and your
city would forget federal funds and state funds that are
going to spend city taxpayer money on getting them jobs,
getting them housing at people's expense, and then teaching them

(24:10):
how to drive because they're literally killing people because they
don't know how to drive.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
It is it's not acceptable. It isn't all right.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
More coming up here on the Rod and Greg showing
Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine K and are
ass live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app In the New
York Times, Take It for what It's worth, written by
Peter Baker, very liberal columnists, but he portrayed, or he
kind of characterizes Greg the two campaigns this year, one
of Donald Trump, and it describes kind of Donald Trump

(24:41):
and his campaign and his supporters as angry. Okay, we're angry,
who wouldn't be right? The other one in which he
describes Kamala Harris's campaign as that Americans are exhausted and
we just want to get past all our exhaustion and
start a new way forward. Ring a bell, So we'll

(25:01):
get into that and find out if you're angry or if
you're exhausted. That's coming up with the five. Steve Moore
is also going to join us to talk about Kamala's
pledges and her campaign promises during the debate the other night.
Steve will join us talk about that as well.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Let's I want to brag about Steve Moore, I mean
he's he's not. I mean, if you don't know who
Steve Moore is, I'm sure all of our listeners do.
Worked in the Biden administration?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Is that right? No, worked in the Trumpet the administration?
And I don't mean now al must sound like her
and put together the text go.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, So we're talking to guys that were in the
room where it happens, right. And he has been a
weekly contributor for the show, and I love having him
on the show.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
And he always gives us the insight you're not hearing.
We're not pulling this from some national story. We're getting
the real deal.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
So look, I've just seen two polls, one one from
the the New York Post. I've been watching very closely.
What's the bump? What's the bump you get from a
successful campaign because or debate, you know, it's not going
to decide the outcome. The ultimate outcome of an election,
but it's worth about a point, maybe a percentage or
here there. New York The New York Post reported today

(26:06):
that their flash pole that they did after the debate,
while they showed that that Kamala Harris was viewed as
winning the debate, it did not increase her percentage of
who people preferred and that he was that that Trump
was probably is pulling one percent higher since they asked

(26:27):
the question. Even though the question of who want the
debate Kamala, who you're going to vote for?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Trump?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Trump went up by a percent there. That is not
going to be good news for the Harris campaign because
they want who won the debate to tether with who
would you like to vote for? But that's not what
we're seeing there. And then I'm looking at another one
from the Economist you gov and their flash pole also
has a large percentage saying that Kamala won, but not

(26:54):
seeing the shift in sentiment for the ultimate race changing
at all.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know here, that's what is frustrating to me, Greg,
And maybe you can shed some light on this. You've
got speaking of polls, there was the CNN poll after
the debate, Yes, and the question was who do you
trust more with the economy. Right, And Donald Trump went
from sixteen points ahead of Kamala Harris to twenty points
ahead of Kamala Harris after the debate. Yeah, after the debate.

(27:21):
So if the economy is the first issue, the most
important issue in this campaign, why isn't he tracking better?
Because it appears voters, according to the surveys, say that
they trust him more with the economy, which is their
number one issue, than they do Kamala Harris. Shouldn't he
be blowing her away?

Speaker 15 (27:42):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I would think that's what frustrates me.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So I think these cross tabs really tell the truth
and pulling firms that they want to be taken seriously
have to show kind of their methodology.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
And that's where that's what cross tabs are.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
When you ask other questions like that, you also look
at who they pull by way of demographics. Yeah, are
these pollsters like to put their thumb I believe on
the scale and they'll say there's some art to it.
Is they they believe or they are going to tell
you that they think democrats are more civically minded and
are going to come out to vote by rank and
file at a higher rate than Republicans. So they weight

(28:15):
these polls by more Democrats than they do registered Republicans,
even though they're really weighing people that said I didn't
tend to vote. They think that the Democrats are going
to be more active in those campaigns. So that's where
you get rod the you know, they might trust Trump more.
But when you say, well, then how come this poll
shows that she's doing so well, Well, they're adding all

(28:37):
the people that if you took that plus twelve and
made it plus twelve republican, you would see see a
whole different number.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, Rush used to say polls should be a reflection
of what's going on right now. But polls are now
created released to sway public.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
That's correct. I believe that I aren't a reflection of
the time.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
They're to sway public opinion. All right, Steve Moore, will
is coming up and are you angry? Are you exhausted?
We'll get into that in the five o'clock hour as well.
All Right, we got a lot to get to. There
was an article today in the New York Times that
we'll talk about. We'll get your reaction. Peter Baker described
and he's a call, you know. He writes for The
New York Times, and yeah, he's a liberal, but he

(29:17):
writes that the for Donald Trump is portraying this campaign
as a campaign of anger, that we're angry at the
way things have been over the last four years, whereas
Kamala Harris is her campaign is all about exhaustion. We're
just tired of all the chaos that has been created.
Donald Trump didn't create any of this chaos. In my opinion, Greg,

(29:39):
I think it's the media's coverage of Donald Trump that
has created the case.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
They're the culprits. They've been the culprits, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
So look, I'm really looking forward to this interview. In
the In the debate on Tuesday night, Kamala Harris had
a She said that her economic plan is so great,
it is so shiny, it is so much better than
anything Trump could ever think that even Goldman Sacks itself
uh approves of it and says it is a far
superior plan. Well breaking is that Goldman Sachs CEO Solomon

(30:09):
he is actually walking that back, saying no, this was
an independent analysis and there's not really a whole lot
uh different between the two, or we don't And that's
Goldman Sacks. They've never seen a Democrat they don't love,
and they are not out there on a thin limb
with with Kamala on this. They're actually pulling back a
little bit. So the question for me, uh, for our

(30:30):
guest Steve Moore, economist, economist extraordinary, what do you think
about when Goldman Sachs doesn't even want to be with
Kamala Harris on this economic plan? Walking back a little
bit the report but still you know, saying it's it's
about the same as Trump's.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
What say you, Steve Moore?

Speaker 16 (30:47):
Well, first of all, I call it Goldman sucks, so
the U and you know, like that's a democratic firm,
and you know, think about all the people will come
out of the goverment and worked in democratic coaturies and
so on.

Speaker 15 (31:04):
But I think the important point is we don't need
these economic studies by these you know, wizards who always
get it wrong. All we have to do is compare
what the four years of what happened under Trump and
the four years of what happened to one under Biden
and Commas. It's not complicated. It's one of those brare
times when both of them have a record. I know,
Kamma is time to say, well, you're not running against me,

(31:25):
but you know, the truth is, I mean, you're not
running against Biden. But the truth is everything she's talking
about is a duplication of what Biden had proposed. And
so when you look at those things, if you look
at the top twenty to twenty five economic statistics, and
you know, people can go to a website at least
Prosperity Now dot com and you can pull down the churtbook.

(31:46):
You can see that on every issue, from small business confidence,
to inflation, to real incomes, to mortgage rates, to the
cost of groceries, to the cost of gasoline, you know,
on and on almost every one of these. Trump had
a better record, even when you take into account COVID.
So who cares with you? You know, pin headed economists say,

(32:10):
look at the record. The other thing I want to
mention to you is how can anybody in the right
mind look at Kamala Harris's proposals. And this is not
from me, This is the New York Times which says
that she would raise four point six trillion dollars in taxes.
That's not just the highest tax increase in American history,
that's the highest tax increase in world history. How are

(32:31):
you going to get prosperous? I mean, you know this
having worked in the the legislature, are there in Salt Lake.

Speaker 16 (32:37):
You cut taxes and.

Speaker 15 (32:38):
Good things happen, and the raised taxes and bad things happen.

Speaker 16 (32:42):
That's not really complicated.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
No, it isn't, Steve.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
There is a great article in the Wall Street Journal
this week about why Americans are sour on the economy.
Don't you just look at the numbers? Do you come
to that realization, Steve? Isn't it that easy?

Speaker 15 (32:54):
Yeah? That is because what that that was based on
the Census Bureau data and the Census girrel, which is
kind of the gold you know, the gold mine of
good economic data. They found that the average family today,
you know, the medium family income is lower today than
it wasn't twenty nineteen. And it's pathetic. That means for
four years Americans have they made no economic progress whatsoever

(33:19):
unless they're rich. And so Americans are in a foul move.
They're financially stressed out. How are they paying their bills
when they're making less money? They're racking up credit card
debt and that kind of thing that is putting the
country in peril. So I think when it comes to
and you know, by the way we're on the subject,

(33:39):
I'm so frustrated that they have a ninety minute debate
and they spend about twelve minutes to that they're talking
about the economy. I mean, the didnt lataxes? They didn't.
I don't think the national debt, which Guiden and Harris
raised by seven trillion dollars even came up.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Did it?

Speaker 3 (33:53):
No, it did not. It didn't impact. Let me ask
you this that breaks it begs this question. Every poll
that showed wherever they thought that these two were in
terms of head to head, who would win, who would lose?
When they asked the question of who do you trust
more on the economy? Trump was coming out ahead in
double digits after the flash poles. Any poll that I
have seen, even those that say that she did very

(34:14):
well after the debate or people thought she won, those
numbers haven't changed. If anything, they still believe that he's
more trusted on this economy than she is.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
How do you how do you?

Speaker 3 (34:23):
How do you reconcile all that? Does that mean that
people will it's the James Carvel nineteen ninety two it's
the economy stupid, and people are going to vote to
protect their their finances in her pocketbook or is there
something else at play here where she's or Kamala Harris
could win in spite of no one trusting her on
this economy.

Speaker 15 (34:39):
Well, I've said, I've said many times on this show
and others that you know, Democrats want this to be
a debate about abortion, So we wanted to be a
debate about in your pocketbook, and you had kitchen table issues.
And you know, it's interesting we talked more about abortion
than the debate than we did on the economy, and
so I find that to be very frustrating. But look,

(35:00):
Trump can do better than that. That was not a
you know, he did fine, but he can do a
lot better than that. I think he left a lot
of stuff on the table. You know, for example, when
the issue of race came up, and again she made
this spurious claim that he's a racist, he should have
just said, well, that's really interesting because if you look
at what happened to black incomes, they were higher, you know,
under meat than when you and Joe Biden wore in charge.

(35:22):
If you look at the poverty rate, it fell more
for Blacks and Hispanics than has under you. If you
look at black incomes and Hispanic incomes, they were higher
under meat than you. So how can you call me
a racist when my policies lifted up the very low
income minorities that you say you care about. And so
there were a lot of things that was frustrated that
he didn't say that He could have said, you know

(35:43):
about the economic record of these these two presidents, Steve.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Final question for you, I know you're tied on time.
The most telling part of that debate, I think was
the first question. She was asked directly about high prices
and she said on middle class. She didn't answer the question, Steve,
that was the most telling part of that debate.

Speaker 12 (36:01):
It really was.

Speaker 15 (36:02):
And I kept waiting because she went on and on.
She has a way of talking, doesn't she's out and
it has to say a whole lot, but she talks
a lot. And so the question, the exact question is
most Americans don't feel like they're better off than four
years ago, and what do you have to say about that?
She never answered the question. And you know why she
didn't answer that question, because they don't because they aren't

(36:22):
better up they're worse off today. And that's a real
indictment of an incumbent administration when you've been in charge
for three and a half years and people are worse off.
So I do remember that debate. I don't know if
you guys do in nineteen eighty where they can ask
you heard of that question and that was that was
the game changer. But boy, that was interesting. She went

(36:44):
out for three minutes and never answered the question.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Steve Moore joining us on our Newsmaker line, that's the question.
I think Greg and Trump kind of alluded to it
at the end of the debate the other nine. It
is closing remark said, you know, she's been in office
for three and a half years, she's promised to do
all these things. Why hadn't she done him now? And
I think and it's a kind of a twist on
the old question, are you better off now than you

(37:08):
were four years ago?

Speaker 17 (37:10):
You know?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And in my opinion, you need to hammer that home
to the American people when they go into that voting
booth on November fifth, they asked themselves that question, is
my family better off? Are we making more money? Are
we our prices higher? How are we doing did we
do better under Donald Trump or Joe Biden? And the

(37:32):
answer to me, the answer to that those questions obvious.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well here, let's do it this way. George Herbert Walker
Bush ran for president after eight years of Reagan, and
he won. He had a term of his own, and
the he lost. Okay, he was on the clock with
Reagan for eight years and the people wanted what it
was that they experienced over those last years with Ronald Reagan,
and he was elected. She cannot separate herself from Joe

(37:56):
Biden or in this four years.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
She cannot.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
George Herbert Walker Bush didn't and he won, but when
he had his own record to run on, he wasn't
reelected the next time around. She cannot say this is
a new way having been having been the vice president
of this administration and what this country has been through
in the last four years. And you know, I know
the media doesn't want to hold her to that, but
let's hope that the American people. I think I'm seeing,

(38:20):
We're seeing that people are getting it in spite of
people's best effort to try and hide the ball or
create a new narrative.

Speaker 18 (38:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, and Elon Musk, I'm just seeing this act that
he he acxed out tonight. He's got a picture of
Kamala there saying I will fix things if you vote
me into office, says a woman who's currently in office.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yes, she is an incumbent. It is amazing that whole debate.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
You'd have thought Organ that Trump was the incumbent, the
way they were going after him and attack him.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
She's on the clock.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Anything she would like to do, she can go in
and do right now. That that White House compound, that
old executive office building. She's got the keys, she knows
how to get in. She's got a parking place.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Get in there, get in there to work.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Well, isn't that what Trump Challengered, Let's go down to
the White House right now, let's start working on problems.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
She won't do it. She won't do it.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
All right more coming up here on the Rod and
Greg showing u Ta's Talk radio one oh five nine
k n R s. Are we angry or are we exhausted?
We'll get your reaction to that coming up right here
on talk radio one oh five nine. kN arress the
danger of underestimating Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I mean the guy goes into it and he basically says,
don't never underestimate the power of Donald Trump. And I
really think Greg, the power of people who support Donald Trump.
They are dedicated and they are not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
It's like, that's like that character you played on the
clip from MSBC that called everybody that supports uh, you know,
Donald Trump despicable. Uh, it's it's yeah, keep saying that,
just keep keep you keep talking to the America that way.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, and then this coming this coming today, Greg from
Chris Solizza. I think he used to be with CNN
or the Washington Post, I can't remember which one, but
he's now on News Nation and he talked about Donald
Trump and what he sees in Donald Trump every day.

Speaker 19 (40:03):
My working theory of Trump is that basically he's got
like one setting. Almost always, with very few exceptions, the
car goes about sixty.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
It's not gonna go thirty, and it's.

Speaker 19 (40:14):
Not gonna go ninety, right, And I think so he
mostly did what he does. Like this idea that he
melted down feels to me like the same people who
say like things are getting much worse for Donald Trump.
He's panicking. I'm like he's been like this since he
came down the gold escalator in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Not that much has changed.

Speaker 19 (40:35):
And tip to my mind, if you were for Donald Trump,
there's nothing in that debate that's gonna take you off that.
If you're for Harris, there's nothing in that debate it's
gonna take off it. And we talk about this all
the time. If you are an undecided voter, the chances
are high. Yeah, probably didn't watch all one hundred and
five minutes of the debate. If you watched any I'd

(40:55):
be a little surprised. And so I just think making
predictions about, oh, oh well, this will swing the race.
Hillary Clinton, by my lights, at least won all three
of the twenty sixteen debates, and we know how that
race turned out.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
The danger of under estimating Donald Trump, that's right. I
mean he and I love the fact they said he
doesn't go ninety, he doesn't go thirty. And if you
go on social media and we bring this up oftentimes,
you'll see it. I'll see it as well. You know
Donald Trump years ago, it was on Oprah Winfrey. Yeah,
he was on what was it, Larry King? I think
he tell me forty years ago he is saying the

(41:29):
same things now that he said thirty forty years ago.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, on for policy, on.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
The economy, you name it. He had saying the same
thing now as he did thirty You.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Can't get Kamala Harris to say the same thing and
within two meetings of the same day, and you can't.
You can go back forty years and see that this
guy's positions and values are the same about America, America first,
and even a roll with NATO, things like that I
word from my cousin, the word on the street, you know,
as he's listening to customers in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh,

(42:03):
southwest Pennsylvania where the Pennsylvania will be, where a lot
of people believe the race will be decided.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
It is the basic tone is this. Uh.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Kamala Harris says nothing and Trump meanders, okay, that's it.
Like it's like they couldn't get through it. Nobody, nobody
that he spoke to, watched more than the first thirty
minutes and uh. And their position of where they were
before the debate is where they are after the debate.
It's kind of what the clip just said. But they
think that that Trump can start to wander and go

(42:33):
too long. But he has something to say, but that
Kamala Harrison doesn't have a thing to say. And that's
that's that's the take.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, she does sound exact good to me.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Now, I want to get to this Peter Bakers during
the New York Times and get your reaction from you,
Greg and also from our listeners. And he describes that
Harris and Trump are betting on these sharply contrasting views
of America. All right, this is what he writes. He says,
Donald Trump's America is a grim place. I totally disagree
with that, but that's what he writes. A nation ash

(43:02):
and marauding immigrants stealing American jobs and eating American cats
and dogs, a country devastated economically, humiliated internationally, and perched
on the cliff's edge of a World War three. That's
how he describes Donald Trump. Now here's how he describes
Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris's America is a weary but hopeful place.

(43:24):
A nation fed up with a chaos of the Trump
years and sick of all the drama and divisiveness. A
country embarrassed by a crooked, stuck in the past former
president facing prison time and eager for a new generation
of leadership. The two visions of America on display during
the debate. And my question would be, are we angry
or are we exhausted? Are we weary but hopeful? And

(43:47):
does that if that sentiment leads you to vote for Harris?
And are you just grim? And are we just devastated
on the perch of World War three? And that's untrue
and just darkened se.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Well, that's what it's New York Times. I tell you
for that.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So I want to open up the phones to you tonight, Greg,
and I want to get your phone calls. Do you
think we're angry? I think a lot of people are angry, Greg,
I would agree with it, right. I mean I heard
the story a long time ago people, and I can't
there was a study done on this.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I can't remember where it came from.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
People will vote or be encouraged to vote more often
if they want to vote.

Speaker 20 (44:26):
No.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Well, I can tell you as a public servant, I
heard a lot more from constituents that were frustrated and
upset than I heard from some Hey you're doing a
great job.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Keep it up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
People will go to the polls if they're angry not
if they're happy.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
So what does that say?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So question is to you tonight eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone
dial Pound two fifteen, say hey Rod, as a voter
and an American, are you angry?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Are you exhausted? Or are you hopeful? Are you hopeful?
And do any of those point to a specific candidate
in your mind? Yeah? All right?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone to al Pound two fifteen
say hey, rut So the question would be to our
great listeners today, and we do have the greatest smartest
listeners out there. You know, do you think that you
are voting? You're paying attention to this race now because
you're angry or you are exhausted. Let's go to the phones.
We get in with Vicky in Spanish fort tonight. Vicky,

(45:25):
how are you welcome to the Roden Greg Show.

Speaker 21 (45:29):
Yes, I'm pretty good. I had a thought this morning, Kamala,
I am angry and I am weary, but I had
a thought that this Kamala Harris's plan, economic plan. He's
calling it the opportunity economic plan. I think we need

(45:52):
to ask ourselves whose opportunity is it going to be
it's going to be hears and the elites and the
bureaus and the globalists to get more power and loot
our pockets and loot our treasury. That that I just
I'm very upset about that, that they're using language to

(46:13):
trick us. And the same with the Inflation Reduction Act,
you know, that was that was that it sounds like
a really good thing to most people that aren't paying
any attention, but it was the Green New Deal and
she's sheep's clothing, that's really a wolf that's draining our

(46:34):
economy like.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Crazy, Yeah, and lending the pockets of the globalist elites
out there, and think about that. You know, I heard
so many It may have been on the Claim Buck
Show today talking about the the Taylor Swift, you know,
endorsement of Kamala Harrison. They brought up, here's a woman
that has what five homes, two jets worth more than
a billion dollars, you know, so you know, she can
really relate to the people in America out there today.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
That was interesting observation.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Let's go to Johnny and sall liked. Johnny, Welcome to
the program.

Speaker 20 (47:04):
Thank you. First, I just want to say I absolutely
love your show, absolutely and I am very angry the
picture that Donald Trump paints. I watched the debate and
he was painting what America would be with Kamala whereas

(47:26):
she was trying so hard to make us think how
terrible he was, and it just makes me angry. I
don't know why people can't see that her plan, her
economic plan is no more than raising our inflation, the
way that they're going to just dole out money to everybody,

(47:48):
especially on the ones where they're going to, you know,
help the illegal aliens, and it just it just makes
me really angry.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, well, you're right.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I think he painted picture of what America looks like
with Kamala Harris as president.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Can you imagine can you imagine waking up on November
sixth realizing she's president of the United States? It just scarce.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
You're not going to get any different than what we've
received in the last four years if you stay with
this administration, and so, you know, I it is frustrating
to watch her try to paint that as something else.
And she didn't have any issues that separate from what
they've done. She just wants to say it differently. I
gues I don't.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
All right, Let's go to Dana in Taylorsville tonight here
on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi Dana, thanks for
joining us. Hi Rod, how I'm great? Thank you Dana
for asking.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
I love your show. You, I love your show.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
I am angry and weary and disappointed. And it comes
from people I know people in America, but it seems
like nobody critically thinks anymore when they see who line
when they I volunteer at the food bank. You see

(49:04):
people standing in line with their children for food. You
know what you're paying at the grocery store. Do you
not want to know?

Speaker 20 (49:11):
Why?

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Do you not want to know what's happening? Instead, they
sit in front of the TV, get one source of news,
and because of mein tweets, they know who they are
going to vote for. And it's like, America, please just.

Speaker 10 (49:28):
Wake up for a minute.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I am so with you, I am so with you
on that data. Just wake up. And I don't think
they are what Rush used to call them, the low
information voters. Yeah, that's what scares me about this election.
Too many low information voters out there.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I just think that the information is clothing us all
over the head. Too harshly to not to miss it
this time around. It's just too ugly out there. That's
the other thing is it's not just dark. He's not
painting it dark. It is tough out there right now.
Tough out there for a lot of that's called empathy.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Let's go to Russell in Tremontin Russell, thank you for
joining the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
What say you about the author? How you feeling right now?

Speaker 21 (50:08):
Well?

Speaker 10 (50:09):
I think all those things are true, that the people
are exhausted and angry, But I think more than that,
it's that Americans are losing hole when we call the
forgotten man right that the typical normal person. I mean,
you can be religious about it and say that their
hearts are failing them when things are predicting. But me
and my brother been talking about this, and I go
back to iron Ran predicted this in the nineteen sixties
when she wrote that book At the Shrug, It's all

(50:31):
the most productive members of society are going, what is
the point of all this? When I have to ask
somebody who doesn't produce to produce, or when the money
system is currently not in my favor, but it is
for those who are dealing in favors to get rich
and graft and all that, and you're just not feeling prioritizing.
I mean, I've been encouraging the youth to read that
book because it's like, you've got to go out there

(50:53):
and realize that you can't support up those who are
flouting your destruction. I mean, that's what I took away
from that book is these people are trying to destroy it.

Speaker 13 (51:02):
And think of that.

Speaker 10 (51:03):
As a business owner, what incentive is there to start
a new business right now? Other than a oh, I
might get a kickback from Kamala like that that's out
there and we know that ain't true.

Speaker 12 (51:12):
But other than that, you have.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
Everything against you to go out and start a business
or to succeed and be rich and successful or whatever
the American dream, because you don't know what it's going
to be like during the next election cycle, how much
it is going to cost you, how much can be
taken away from you.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, you're right, Russell.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
You know, Greg and I had a conversation with a
local businessman the other day and he's said, the tax
situation in this country, it is absolutely ridiculous. This He's
paying tax on tax on taxing taxes.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
In his quarterly filings. He was short. He lost.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I think I could share this. I asked him if
I could twelve thousand dollars, but he paid fourteen thousand
in sales tax to the to the I mean he
remitted fourteen thousand while losing twelve thousand myself.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
So net loss of twenty six thousand dollars unbelievable. Are
you amazing? All right? More coming up and more? Are
your phone calls?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Are we angry? Or are we exhausted? Eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero eighty eight eight five
seven oh eight zero one zero or on your cell phone?
All you do is have to dial pound two fifty
and say, hey, Ron.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I want to hear something good, not that not disparaging
that we're angry or exhausted. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I want to hear from our smart listeners, and we
have our star listeners do. I want to start with
Amy from Highland. Amy, thank you for joining the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 22 (52:24):
Thank you for having me. I just want to say
I am so angry and I'm sorry. This isn't a
really good thing.

Speaker 23 (52:31):
To talk about.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It's fine, just get off your chest.

Speaker 22 (52:34):
Right to vacation. Yeah, we liked the vacation in the
Bahamas on one of the out islands, and the last
time we were there, a capsize boat showed up overnight
in front of the property that we are staying at,
and so we were talking to one of the locals
about what could have happened, and they said that they
have a problem with Haitians showing up in their country

(52:57):
illegally and they try to take the job. And she
said that when they can't prove that they came over legally,
they boot them out immediately. So when I was listening
to your show last night and you were talking about
the geese and whatnot in Springfield, I just it worked
me up because I feel like we are a first

(53:19):
world country and these not so first world countries are
smarter than we are. That they took them out because
they know that they will be a drain on their economy.
They're taking away jobs, and I'm just so frustrated that
our country treats illegal aliens better than their own people.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
We're not giving up this discussion on this because she
is spot on and they and it is draining this
country and it's it's communities, and I love how if
it's not a cat. People, You've got a kid die
on a bus, you had two dozen kids on a
bus kill. You've got all this carnage. And I don't
know that the cat story is true. Yeah, well, how
about your kid story? How about the true that did happen.

(54:06):
Let's go to Jill and Sarah Houston. I here on
the Roden Greg Show. Jill, thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 17 (54:12):
Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You're welcome.

Speaker 17 (54:14):
I want to pretend like I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Don't fake it, Jill.

Speaker 17 (54:24):
I feel so bad that you aren't having some happy calls.
But you know what, I am so worried about our country,
and I just can't.

Speaker 23 (54:34):
Believe that people are this stupid.

Speaker 17 (54:38):
I have been waiting for people thinking that they're going
to come around and they're going to realize that everything
that she says is a lie. It was she practiced.
I didn't even go away from the debate thinking she
went and I can't believe that everybody thinks she won
when she did never even tell you what she was

(54:59):
going to do to fix economy.

Speaker 22 (55:01):
Yeah, what is she going to do about the borders?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yes, that's it, that's her goal. She wants to it's
all pageantry. It's it's not meant to inform. And you know,
she she got away with it all the breaking news
about her friend's sorority sister was one of the moderators.
That there's there's also an accusation right now coming after
David supposedly of a of a whistleblower inside of ABC
News that says that that campaign received those questions and

(55:26):
they helped craft those questions early.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, yeah, or an idea of what the questions were
going to be. And they were also apparently instructed not
to fact check her or she was promised she wouldn't
be fair.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
She was given assurances that they would fact check Donald
Trump and they would not fact check her. If that
comes out to be true, boy, I'm telling you there's again.
It's just actually it's just par for the course, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
She was in North Carolina earlier today, Greg on another
rally and Fox News carried it. I carried it. I
was listening into it a little bit. Lie after lie
after lie. You know, here we go again, Greg, Donald
Trump he'll cut Social Security and Medicare? Is there anything
about that?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
He's now?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
You know, a lie after lie after lie, and they
get away with it. And the American people, some American
are not paying attention to it, and boys should they?
All right, let's go back to the phones. We head
to Payton and talk with Casey tonight here on the
Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Casey, how are you?

Speaker 10 (56:22):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Awesome?

Speaker 13 (56:22):
Been been a fan of the show forever.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (56:25):
I'm I'm I'm angry with the state of the country.
I'm exhausted with people's lack of courage. I guess to
support Donald Trump publicly, I just don't understand. Like I'm
sitting in a Costco parking lot right now. I have
a Trump flag flying on the back of my track
everywhere I go, where my Maga hat everywhere I go,
And the amount of dirty looks I guess, like it's insane,

(56:48):
Like what's going on? And you know they you know,
their closet trumpeters and they want to like do it,
but you can just see like they're scared to get canceled,
like if I go on there and if I go
to work and anything like that, and I fly it
at work too, and I love it. I don't care.
I'll take you attention. I'll stand up for my beliefs
you know, and I just don't care. It's great. The
thirty looks. I welcome him to make them upset, right,

(57:11):
make them upset?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Casey, do you get anyone give me a thumbs up though?

Speaker 13 (57:16):
Oh yeah, So I'm driving around right now. I just
got to Costco and I get people doing the fifth
pump and it makes my day. Fist pump a day.
It's a great day.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
One fifth pump a day is all I asked for.
Right by the way, speaking of the Trumpster, he is
going to be here on Saturday. Yes, you know, we
don't know where, we don't know what he what he's doing,
and we've been looking for information on this today now.
Glenn Beck mentioned today that there could be a rally
here on Saturday for the Trumpster. Yes, but we haven't
heard anything about it or have gotten an Maybe somebody

(57:48):
out there has the information. We'd love to share it
with people. I mean, if he's going to hold a
rally here, let's welcome Donald Trump to Utah.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I will tell you eight years ago when he came
and aheld a rally here, they purposely held it back
till just about maybe twelve hours before because people begin
to line up as soon as they hear. And this
was eight years ago that happened. I had never seen
any in two thousand and twenty sixteen. I'd never seen
lines like this in March of twenty sixteen for a
Trump rally, and here we are eight years later.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah, the interesting.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
So if you know of anything out there, if you
heard now, Greg has usually plugged.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
In, but I think he'd been shut out since he
started doing this show.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Plug You know, Donald Trump Junior did the show with
us at the convention. I haven't heard from him since.
I don't know what you said to him. I don't
know what you said. Okay, we were we were bros.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Now he walked up and goes, who are you all right?
Our number three, we'll take more of your phone calls?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Coming up? Angry, exhausted?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
What state are you in as we head into this
election in November? That's coming up and hour number three
with Rodd and Gregg.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You know, it's an auspicious occasion in Pittsburgh on dedicationd Sday.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Dedication of the LDS Temple there in Pittsburgh, and you
grew up in that area.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
That's right. It used to be quite the pure to
the Washington d C. Temple. You're pioneer of the LDS
faith in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Yeah, my my late mother was, uh was, Yeah, I'm
the pioneer. I came to buy folks. I came to
Utah over the planes and Suzuki Samurai okay, with a
rag top which was like a covered wagon.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, you drove all the way all the way from.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
There, that's right yourself, yes, by my nuts. No, man,
I was a pioneer, That's what I was.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah. Yeah, you're also young and stupid back then? Are
we all twenty nine hours? If you don't sleep?

Speaker 11 (59:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
You did you stay awake for twenty nine hours? I did?
Were you a danger about multiple times? Actually? Really? Yes?
We rest?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, No, I like to drive at night. It was
just quiet, less crowded, So I just keep going.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
But you cannot like Wyoming. Do you run into Antelope?

Speaker 3 (59:45):
My gosh yeah once she these these western states get
tough and yeah anyway, yeah, I uh yeah, I was.
I like to drive that. But I was a pioneer.
But that that temple that my mother's passed away. But
she was a convert to the Eliot Church and she
had hurt the little town home they bought us that
she bought when she's singer mom in nineteen seventy eight.
This is like right around the corner. Literally, it's less

(01:00:05):
It's like less than a half a mile away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
It's cool. Good for you, good for you. Good.

Speaker 15 (01:00:09):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Also is tomorrow? He raised birthday tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I can be here here. Friday the thirteenth, we do either.
He had an absolutely appropriate birthday for Eric Ray. Friday
the thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Your birth occasional? Yeah, no, it should have happened for
him all the time. Fear of Friday. Isn't it something
like trista dekaphobia or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
My birthday is on the thirteenth, so I can say that,
not tomorrow, Tomorrow, arg the thirteenth birthday?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I am. I'm born on the thirteenth of the month.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Is anybody famous? Was anybody famous born on your birthday?

Speaker 23 (01:00:38):
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Margaret Thatcher Wow? Mary Osmond? Wow? My uncle Danny Woll,
my neighbor Brin Paul McCartney on my birthday? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
And I have musical talent, Yeah I do. I do
like the Beatles. All right, shall we go back to
where callers? Shall well?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
We digress, Let's get back to the issues at the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Issues of the day eight eight eight five seven eight
one zero, or on your cell phone dial pound two
to fifty and say hey Rod. Peter Baker in The
New York Times wrote an article about the approaches that
the two campaigns are taking this year. He says the
approach of Kamala Harris is that Americans are exhausted all
the years of Donald Trump and they want to go
in a new way forward. Donald Trump, according to Peter Baker,

(01:01:21):
is running a campaign where people are angry, They're frustrated,
and they want changed. So are you angry or are
you exhausted? Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey Rod, Let's go to Summit County. Here what
Kirk has to say tonight? Here on Rod and Greg Hikirk.

Speaker 12 (01:01:39):
Hello, Nice to talk to you guys. Hey. Yeah. So,
I think the issue is are we in national law
or nation de man?

Speaker 20 (01:01:49):
We don't?

Speaker 12 (01:01:50):
We refuse to enforce our laws, create more laws. If
we're national laws, it solves all this illegal immigration, the
hope and happily of problems that we face.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I agree it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I agree, and I think the selective application of the law.
I think the law fair the things that pervert the
law and law and ordered where lady Justice is not blindfolded,
she's not holding a scale anymore of equal justice under
the law. I don't know how I'd like to believe
that the election of Donald Trump starts to send that
in the pendulum swings back the other way. But it

(01:02:32):
is a it's not just I mean, it's a big problem,
and it's a big problem across the board. It's not
just federally. So I would agree wholeheartedly with Kirk that
we've got to respect the rule of law. And they
keep making more laws, but we're not following ones we
have they are.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I think we are a
nation of laws?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Are we not not anymore? And that is a I
think that is a real concern. And I think I
think in a way, Greg, that leads to some of
the exhaustion that we have in this country anymore. I mean,
you know, follow the law.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Look, I have some good friends or the law. Yes,
I have some very dear friends that are patriots that
they are some of the they get involved, they get
civically involved, and they are exhausted and they are starting
to feel like the system's rigged and that after all
they do, it's not really it's it might not make
any difference at all. That's the kind of feedback I'm

(01:03:27):
starting to get from people that have been really, you know,
not just a spectator in this country, but have really
tried to be involved in and they're getting tired. They
are starting to feel like the laws aren't being followed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
You know, you and I have talked about this before too, Greg,
I mean, following the debate there, and both you and
I have admitted Trump did not do well in the debate,
even though if you go back and you listen to it,
and we have on occasion to listen to sound bites,
he did better than I think people people are all right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I go through a list of things that he did
well that we don't talk about. But in contrast to
how she was and how they were asked questions, he
was very defensive and he didn't get to talk. He
didn't get to tell a story he went there to tell,
in my mind, or make the contrast he intended to make.
He was on the defense of the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
But you have brought this up. We've discussed this before
as well. Ever, since he has come down that golden,
golden escalator in June of twenty fifteen to announce he's
running for president, everybody has wanted to change Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yes, right, do this? Why doesn't he do this? Why
doesn't he do that?

Speaker 18 (01:04:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
And there was a great article today by Stephen Hayward.
We were hoping to get Steven on the show, but
he's in Norway, he's on vacation, but he wrote this
article today about what is wrong with letting Trump be Trump?
You know, Chris Salza earlier on the show, he doesn't
go thirty miles an hour, he doesn't go ninety miles
an hour. He goes sixty miles an hour. And he

(01:04:48):
stayed that course. And he has always been like that,
So why are we trying to change him?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Yeah, and you know what I would tell you that
what he's probably thinking today is they said, don't look
at her, don't glare at her.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
So I won't look at her.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Don't don't don't don't let them say I'm intimidating her
and I'm a misogynist. So don't look, don't sclare at her,
don't attack the moderators. I know they're going to get
me mad because they're going to be unfair. But whatever
you do, best president, don't attack the moderators. You know, stay,
I'm look presidential. Pull it in, you know, be be
stoic when you stand out. And what happens the next day, Well,
he didn't look like a lot of energy. Why wouldn't

(01:05:22):
he look at her? Why didn't he challenge the moderator?

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
He was told not to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Yeah, So I'm telling you, the man keeps coming back
to all this, all this advice, and I think we
ought to let Trump be Trump. Now does he mander?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I thought even his acceptance speech at the convention, that
there was such a great moment to be had there,
and for thirty minutes to forty five minutes he had it,
but he just kept going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Well, you and I were there and we looked at
the TELEPROMPTU that he was off right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
It was about a thirty five minute speech. Yes, yeah,
but he'd get to a point and he'd go off.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
And that interesting to watch where he was off score
because we could see where they would stop it and
they would wait. Yeah, And I would text Christy, Okay,
when you hear this word, that's back on the teleprompter.
It was a long time before they got back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
There, and if you're the teleprompter operator, you got to
guess what he's back on script and not an easy job.
All right, let's go back to the phones. Let's talk
with Julie in Eagle Mountain tonight. You're on the Rotten
Gregg Show. Hi, Julie, how are you.

Speaker 12 (01:06:20):
Hi?

Speaker 23 (01:06:21):
Rod Hi Greg? So, what I wanted to say is, HI,
can you hear me?

Speaker 20 (01:06:25):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Sure? Can go ahead?

Speaker 23 (01:06:27):
Okay, sorry. So my concern with what Kamala Harris is
doing with her rallies and the media colluding with her
is that they're going to make it look like she's
more popular than she is. And I was concerned about
the possibility for election squad and how they could say,
you know, it's convincing that she won because how many
people support her if you look at her busting people

(01:06:50):
in being paid to do these stage these photo ops
with her, I just feel like it's very I don't know,
I just not comfortable with the possibility or the potential
for fraud with that. And then I wanted to make
another comment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Go ahead, go ahead, I have a child.

Speaker 23 (01:07:08):
I applied for a loan. It's out of Newport, California,
and we got to decline for the loan, even thoughing
that all the criteria, all the requirements, And I got
the email back that said, it's because we live in
a red state.

Speaker 13 (01:07:22):
Not really when you talk about the rule of law.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Wow, yes, wow, yes.

Speaker 23 (01:07:27):
And I'm writing I'm going to try and get this
resolved and have them have to end because I called
them and I asked about that, and I said it
was a political They wouldn't clarify, but it says it
in the email because of your location in the red state,
your no loan application has been declined.

Speaker 20 (01:07:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:07:44):
Now, I'm not sure if you guys can give citizens
advice what we can do toify this because voting, I
don't know is that enough. Is voting enough to make
the changes that are needed in this country. I get
all this time, this lecture, I hear this on the radio,
and then discussions that people need to stem have to
do something. We're not sure what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah, you know my recommendation, Julie, which do you know
what your congressional district you live in?

Speaker 23 (01:08:10):
Isn't that sad? I think it's the fourth that would.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Be who would if that's you know, call Burgeons Owen's
office and say hey, this is going on. And when
a congressman starts looking into things, guess what people respond?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You know, I also think, yeah, you're welcome, You're welcome advice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I'm telling you, and Burgess Congressman Owens and his office
they are great. They are great, great people, and they
do love constituent services and especially what you've just described
needs to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I'll tell you this too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
I do think radio programs like this, but also the
social media and and that, you know, thank goodness for
Elon Musk. We're we're not all just being you know,
shadow banded. But I do think there's a collective conversation
that can be had by people when you confront illegality,
when you confront things that are wrong, to bring attention
to it. And I would just you know, as much
you want to open up to those personal experiences, I would.

(01:09:03):
I would because I think that people need to know
what's happening on the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
You can't deny a loan to somebody because they live
in a red stone, highly illegal. All right, Mark, coming up,
Rod and Greg with you right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine kN rs. All right, let's
change topics. We've talked a lot about politics. Let's talk
about schools. There's a new report out. This is done
by the Manhattan Institute taking a look at school based

(01:09:28):
mental health initiatives. You know, Greg, there are kids today
in school who really face some challenges.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
I'm not. I don't know about you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I struggle sometimes, Greg to see if the challenges they
face today are any different than what you and I
faced when we are in school.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, and I've.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Always wondered if if they are, if in fact they're different.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Well, they're certainly different.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I don't know if they're harder, or there's things
about life that are different. I would think that would
make it easier for kids. But there's tough challenges.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 23 (01:10:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that right now is Carolyn Gorman. Carolyn is a policy
analyst at the Manhattan Institute. They've just released a paper
on school based mental health initiatives, the challenges and consideration
for policymakers. Carolyn, Thanks for joining us tonight. Maybe you
could explain to people, first off, Carolyn, what are school
based mental health initiatives.

Speaker 18 (01:10:25):
Yeah, it's a great question because there's no sort of
one set of programs or approaches that are implemented across
the country or in any given school. But most of
these school based mental health programs essentially do the same thing.
They try to increase awareness of mental disorders and encourage

(01:10:48):
paying attention to emotional states in order to direct more
kids and teams towards mental health services with the hopes
of preventing mental health conditions up streme. So a lot
of what's included in this are universal programs around mental
health awareness, mental health prevention, social emotional learning, those sort

(01:11:11):
of broad based, ambiguous, often programs that are being given
universally across all students.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Carolyn, I tell you my children are now young adults,
and I'm so they're not in the public school system
any longer. But it's a parent's nightmare to think about.
And I appreciate this study so much because we see
this movement, or I've observed in a movement where school
district schools are looking to separate a lot of the
consent or notification to parents in terms of what's going

(01:11:44):
on with children, whether it's gender identity, things like that,
and at the same time your reports saying that a
lot of mental health or behavioral health and schools it
lacks the high quality evidence that it's actually addressing the problem.
Or most scary for me, they're talking to kids that
don't have signs of mental health or behavioral health problems.

(01:12:05):
They're just again as you just described, you know, educating
them about it and then at the same time not
really providing that essential service. A long preface to this question,
how do we stop what you're finding exists in these
public schools and really drill down on something that could
help these kids without alienating parents.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
What do we do?

Speaker 18 (01:12:27):
Yeah, so, look, I want to assume the best intent
among everyone, right there are teachers and school administrators and parents.
They all want what's best for kids. But I think
you know, over the past few decades, we've really started
to sort of medicalize social problems and medicalize normal emotional responses.

(01:12:48):
And that's problematic because unfortunately, mental health treatment is actually
not a good, fixed all for any and all social
problem or any and all negative emotions. Some negative emotions
are actually very beneficial and adaptive for us. They sort
of help us understand what our circumstances or environments are

(01:13:11):
and honestly, a lot of kids are not going to
be happy in class.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
They might be.

Speaker 18 (01:13:15):
Feeling emotions of anxiety or stress, or boredom or you know,
just being tired. Think about all the emotions that you
and I might experience on a given day and.

Speaker 10 (01:13:27):
Remember try to remember back to when we were.

Speaker 18 (01:13:29):
Teams and realize that those are sort of like the
normal ups and downs of growing up. And so we're
medicalizing all these sort of normal emotional responses. The problem
with that is mental health treatment for use is not
very effective and can be harmful. So we really want
to use it judiciously and only give it to kids

(01:13:53):
when problems are very serious and when potential benefits can
outweigh the risk.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, Carolyn, how do you decide between you know, some
situation a teenager and maybe going through and it's just
all part of growing up. We've all been through that,
it's been a part of growing up. And on the
other side, there's some serious issues here that need to
be dealt with. How do you determine which direction to go?

Speaker 18 (01:14:16):
Look, there's no bright line tests, and I'm not a psychiatrist,
so I'll say that, but I think we should have
much more of a preference towards no treatment being sort
of the prescription of choice because we know that mental
health treatment for youth is so limited, there are other
things that we're going to want to try before that.

(01:14:38):
Just to give some sense of this, mental health treatments
are not curative, they're not preventative because we really don't
know what causes mental illness. A lot of times mental
illnesses or what are diagnoses like depression and anxiety that
are more common. These are transitory, so they might go
away on their own, and like we will over time,
especially for youth, before we s of can suss out

(01:15:01):
what the real issue is we want, we should be
very careful about providing these diagnoses so readily.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
So I think one of the keys here as well
is it's federal funding, which is usually a one size
fits all or very little guardrails put around it. I
learned a long time ago a lot of these public
policy issues education issues, but other public policy issues are
adults that control adult systems. Are we ever going to
get around this or even have a preference of not
medicalizing our students or not doing this if there are

(01:15:30):
just federal dollars Carolyn for our school districts to get
or to be able to acquire under the banner of this,
I mean, is the federal dollars too tempting for our
school districts.

Speaker 18 (01:15:42):
I think we should recognize that there are incentives everywhere
that are pushing us more towards mental health treatment. And look,
this has sort of been the policy approach to mental
health for the past half century. Essentially, we've really tried
to prevent mental illness by promoting wellness in the masses.

(01:16:02):
We do not have lower rates of mental disorder. We
have not have less disability from serious mental disorder. So
this approach has not worked. So we should be very
sort of skeptical of funding that requires any type of
broad based programming. The core responsibility of any public mental
health system should be to help address untreated serious mental

(01:16:28):
illness and serious emotional disturbances in use. And the core
goal of the education system is to provide academic learning
and prepare kids for participation in society. I think it's
important to separate out that none of those neither of
those goals require that we sort of improve wellness preemptively

(01:16:50):
among everyone. I mean, what emotional wellness or mental wellness
even means, what are our expectations there that people are
just happy all the time. That's probably not a good goal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Carolyn Gorman Carolyn is with the Manhattan Institute talking about
school based mental health issues. There's some real challenges and things, Rick,
you and I were talking. They are different today than
when we are going to school, a lot of different influences.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
So the tough part about this is that they are
federal funds, and I'm telling you there's nothing good coming
from federal funds.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Well, there's so many strings attached to it, right, you
have to do this, you have to do it this way.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
And they usually have, especially with this administration and agenda
that we we probably if we understood it, would not
subscribe to it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
So I just think that, well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Our I got to tell you our our public schools
are probably not as dependent on federal funds as other
states that said it would the amount of money a
half a billion dollars maybe even more. If you stop
taking federal funds for your public schools, it would have
a devastating effect on kids with you know, the living
povery and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
What do you call it? The education? Uh, you know
special education?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah, yeah, Well we'll have to. We'll have to see
how this old transpires. But a judge said today, nah,
is it going to be on the ballot or not
on the ballot?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Apparently you'll be on the ballot. But if you really
doesn't can account it. So what happened here? So there's
no end of the irony of this in my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
So we've had Rob bishop On, former Congress from Robbishepon'm
talking about the equal and separate powers of the legislature,
a legislative branch with the judicial and the executive. And
while this amendment looked like it was trying to expand
powers of the legislative branch, what it was really doing
is it was trying to keep the status quo on
how initiative laws can be passed by the people, but
that then they become then subject to amendments or anything

(01:18:37):
that a law that would be passed, say in a
general session, through that process would be done. And that's
that's the way it's worked for one hundred years. And
our State Supreme Court came up with a new way
of interpreting that where if it's about comment reform, you
can't touch it at all. And that would be what
that would lead to rod is that you would have
groups like Yeah, Better Boundaries, which had it's seventy percent

(01:19:00):
of its money coming from out of state. It was
the ACLU, it was the Tom Marnold Foundation, which is
left of center. At the Avin Newsom's California pack, the
SEIU unions came in eight donors ended up being seventy
percent of the funding for Better Boundaries. Well, they they
barely passed their initiatives on less than six thousand votes,

(01:19:22):
sixty six thousand votes that passed by Insultly County, but
there were some amendments to be made to it. They
didn't like that, so they went to the courts anyway.
They went to the court to say, we don't want
the people to vote under moment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Don't they want the people to vote on certain things, So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
They like the idea of people voting on an initiatives,
but on this constitutional amendment, they went to a judge
and said, we don't think we the people should get
to vote on this new interpretation or how this works.
We think which by the way, the legislature is going
to have a hard time explaining it like I'm having
because there's a lot of details there but they were
really arguing for to keep it as the way it's

(01:19:57):
the way it's always been. Better boundaries went to the
courts and said, we don't want the people to vote
on this at all. Why because we want the people
to vote on initiatives. I mean, come on, and there
you go. I am telling you that anybody like they say, well,
you know that's narrowly crafted to me. In government reform,
there is no definition of government reform. It's what whatever

(01:20:19):
judge you stand in front of who gets to define
what that means. And I'm going to tell you, have
you've seen the judicial activism in this country these judges,
We're going to get that here. And everybody that wants
wants this new interpretation of initiatives where they can carpet
bomb this state without a state money on liberal causes
that they could never pass through our legislative branch. Just

(01:20:40):
got to just score a victory today in that court.
And I'm going to tell you they're gonna have to
think of something. But I think that these initiatives are
going to come fast and furious. They're going to be
well funded as all liberal efforts are, and there is
no counterbalance to that. I don't know the wealthy millionaires
or zillionaires ready to launch the counter campaigns of information

(01:21:00):
for voters. You're going to have a one sided all
the information from the side that's paying for the initiatives,
telling the voters that they're voting for motherhood and apple pie,
and it'll sound wonderful, it'll sound like better boundaries. I
like boundaries, and I like them better.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
What not that you would have any insight on this,
but what I mean, what kind of initiatives could be
coming our way in the coming years.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I'll tellative.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
I hate to say because I don't want to give
the left to hint here, but I don't know if
they monitor the program the way that the leftists were
able to flip Colorado blue when it was a very
strong Republicans, very strong Republican state, Republican governor, Republican legislature.
Two senators, US centator's were a Republican majority of their
House members were Republican. Congress members of Congress were Republican.

(01:21:47):
They flipped it in three election cycles. With this one change,
we're going to cap what lawmakers and people in state
office can raise by way of campaign funds. Well, that
sounds great. Until you find out that the left has
super packs and five oh one c threes and fours
where they were pumping millions of dollars, literally millions of
dollars to get around the cabs. Yeah, that they didn't

(01:22:09):
have to disclose that they weren't capped, and they were
putting that in against those Republican lawmakers and they crushed them,
crushed them. They couldn't find they had, like the Corps
family from Colorado was the only wealthy Republican and they
couldn't afford to even keep pace with the strikers who
were the you know, the pharmaceutical company that created the
opioid disaster. Governor Paulis was one of them when he

(01:22:30):
sold his one eight hundred flowers whatever it was, and
he had he sold for like four hundred million dollars
back in the mid two thousands. Anyway, once they were
able to put a glass ceiling over Republican's ability to
raise money for their campaigns and then absolutely inundate those
races with undisclosed money, dark money, they flipped that state
blue and it's never been close since. So what am

(01:22:52):
I afraid of an initiative that sounds intuitive, Like let's
let's limit what lawmakers can and elected officials in the
state can actually raise per contribution. What the UTAH does
is they do it by pure transparency because this tech
you have to if you once you deposit the check
in a campaign, you have to disclose it online. So
we have real time disclosure, you have you have disclosure

(01:23:14):
dates where you kind of put it all together. But
at any given time, when you've deposited money as a
campaign into a candidate, we don't cap the amount, but
we say so, we don't cap your voice in terms
of speech. But however much it is, you got to
disclose it publicly and you do it immediately. That's transparency
that has kept our elections, I think upright, because if
you're taking a ton of money from a source, it's

(01:23:36):
good to know where that source is, versus the way
it happens with these super patch where you don't know
where any of this money is. Nobody knows the better
boundaries that the these leftist groups are running.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
It isn't It isn't better boundaries connected with Barack Obama
and Eric Holder. Yes, I mean these organizations exist all
around the country and they're funded by Barack Obama and
Eric holder.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
It is, and Gavin Newsom's California pack is in Utah
passing passing an initiative, and you've got the Jimmy Carter,
you know center doing it. I'm telling you that these
numbers are these and then you have their in their rally.
Former Chief Utah Supreme Court Justice Christine Duram said, I
don't think there's any basis where there'd be any outside

(01:24:16):
money coming into from our state. Right it already arrives.
The disclosures already show from the state from twenty eighteen
that these out of state funds came in for initiatives.
So the judge said, no, we're not letting the people
vote on if the people can vote, Okay, that's what
just happened today in our Utah courts.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Good job, yeah, yeah, Well, And my belief is that
they want a Democratic seat in Utah's congressional delegation, and
they're going to find a way, Greg, I think to
carve out Salt Lake City as its own district and
it will be a Democrat. It'll be a Democratic seat.
That's what they want.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
I think you're right at but I think that's my
opic and that that might be what better boundaries wants.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
But once you open this yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Yeah to the Yeah, right now, I think it's a
congressional seat. But you're right down the road we think.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Why do you think we have catch and release and
nobody gets arrested in this country anymore. It's the John
Arnold Foundation that funded this initiative. They've pumped hundreds of
millions of dollars across the state to elect leftist das
and county attorneys. The catch and release, no bail for anybody,
that is. Those are the same authors, literally, the same
exact people that are funding that funded this better Boundaries

(01:25:27):
initiative in our state. Who knows that other than our
listeners Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
It's coming, that's for sure, all right. Some final thoughts
coming up here on the rod In Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
He says, he goes, Yes, I'm angry about twenty literally
this just came up too so literally, I'm angry about
twenty one million illegal aliens invading our communities. I'm angry
about Venezuelan gangs taking over Aurora, Colorado, and illegal Haitian
immigrants taking over Springfield, Ohio. I'm angry about young American
girls being raped and murdered by savage criminal aliens. I'm

(01:25:56):
angry about rampant inflation destroying our middle class US and
I'm and the American people are angry too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Wow, So he was listening to that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
I wonder I think he did. I think he was
on hold too long. Well, he doesn't get to cut
in front of the line.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
I mean Donald Trump is on the show. Yeah, we
don't know. You know, are there more than one Donald Trump?
We don't like people that cut and line. Yeah, that's
why he didn't get on there. We had to wait
to turn. So you know he did. He posted it?
Did he? Rena? He was a post? I bet?

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I bet someone called him and said, do you know
what Rod and Greg are talking about right now?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Clearly? Clearly?

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
And you know what he is with our listeners. I
don't know if you knows, but that that post from
him is in harmony with every color they called in today.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Yeah, that's true. We're all in sync, baby, We're in
this together. We absolutely are.

Speaker 14 (01:26:48):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I wanted to bring this up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
You know, we've been talking a lot about uh Springfield,
Ohio and what's going on there right and then we've
heard about what's going on in Aurora, Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Same thing. Here we here we go again. There's another town,
this one. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
It is a small town in Pennsylvania now being overrun
by Haitian migrants. I don't know how you pronounce this,
Greg It's Charleroy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Charleroy, Charleroy, Charlie Charlotte, Southwest Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
They've seen a two thousand percent increase in its immigration
population in just the past two years, with a majority
coming from Haiti.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Charleroy is a town. It's a small it was always
a small town. That's a small population of forty two hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Charleroy has no ability to take two thousand percent population
increase as a town. You know, when the when the
last steel mills closed in the eighties, late eighties, they
had to bust the kids to Ohio because there wasn't
a tax base. And these small towns, really they bust
the kids to Ohio because that when when the steel
mills went out and everyone lost their jobs, there was
no one that could pay taxes. And so I just

(01:27:58):
say that to say how frail the economic situation is
in these small, smaller towns in southwest pah So I
can't imagine the impact the harmful impact. How are they
gonna win Pennsylvania with a stat like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Well, let me tell you what the residents are noticing
a similar problem with Springfield citizens. You know what it
is driving hazards.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Yes, they don't know how to drive.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
They don't. They come in, they get in a car.
They I don't know what the driving is like in Haiti.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
They been there, they don't, they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Don't they don't drive, or they drive all over the
road and they don't have any regulations whatsoever. And that's
one of the key issues they're noticing now in Charleroy, Pennsylvania.
Where to me that sounds like a one light town.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Yeah, it is about it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
A working class town.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
It's a small town, and it's probably shrunk since it's
greater days in the sixties, seventies, probably eighties it was.
It was probably bigger. But what I love is, well,
if you can't find a cat, then I guess you
don't really have a problem. I guess if there's no
cats being killed, then this is all hype. How about
the people that are being impact by all of this?
Forget the cats, Let's go right to the people. They

(01:29:04):
just want to be able to you know, pivot away.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Well, listen to this. This is a quote. This was
a at a meeting of the city council. A resident
stood up and said cars are going the wrong way
and there are wrecks at least once a week in Charleroy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
It went on to say, three very bad accidents in
less than a month. Something needs to be done before
somebody gets killed. Just a matter of time, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Unfortunately, Yeah, yeah, no, I you know, the reason I'd
like to stay focused on this issue is that I
think that the media is somehow made a parody out
of this, that eating the cats and the dogs and
the geese, that this is somehow contrived by Republicans and
by Donald Trump. There is there is real human carnage
going on in this country right now because of the
decisions of this Biden Harris administration on on the on

(01:29:56):
immigration or illegal immigration refugees. We got to take inventory
of it, and we got to help people know it's
not it's not what the Democrats say and it's a
silly story.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Yeah, it's a sad, real story.

Speaker 13 (01:30:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
And this, you know what, Greg, is going to happen
more and more around the country. Like you pointed out,
It's not going to be Springfield, Ohio, or Aurora, Colorado,
or Charlolroy, Pennsylvania. It is going to spread around the
country if we do not do something about this. And
Kamala Harrison Border Secure, we haven't been there. Well, I
haven't been to Europe either. That was a brilliant Well,

(01:30:28):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Some of this is hitting a tipping point, and the
consequences of these terrible policies are being felt at the
most important time, like right when Americans are making decisions
about this next election. We're starting to see those and
I'm sure they didn't think that these consequences would be
felt till after this next election.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Well, you'll, like we mentioned, you'll be gone tomorrow. Save travels. Yeah,
I'll make sure we're enjoy it. Have a good flight.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
You'll be back. Yeah, I'll be here Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
If I was going to be any longer, we would
do live on location in Pittsburgh. We would just start
talking to it. Yeah, from Mctie's drive through outlet. We
would go from there and we're gonna talk to the
people ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Safe travels to you, Happy birthday to you, Ray, This
is birthday to yeah, all right, all right, that does
look for us tonight, head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family and this great country of ours.
Jesse Kelly is coming your way next. We'll be back tomorrow,
and for have a good night.

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