Rod and Greg Show - Listen Back Friday; Trump Economy; Can Trump Really Say Anything and Be Elected?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
One nine can terrast. Great to be with you. We've
got a lot to get to today. We're going to
be talking about Trump's economy. We're going to be talking
about Kamala apparently, the Democratic nominee to be President of
the United States when it comes to crime, wants it
both ways. We're going to get into that. We'll also
talk with the guest today who claims that Donald Trump

(00:23):
can say anything he wants and he would still be
elected president of the United States. She is not a
big Donald Trump fan, and we'll get into that with
her a little bit later on our Listen back Friday
segments coming you away, and of course this being Friday,
we'll call it thank g rod Is Friday, and we'll
open up the phones to you and let you talk
about whatever you want. So a lot to get to.

(00:45):
Great great weekend, had a lot of great football. The
weather looks like it's going to be absolutely fantastic, So
hopefully you'll be able to get out and enjoy the
weekend because there probably aren't too many left when it
comes to really nice weather, if you know what I mean.
All right, if you want to be a part of
the program today, as always, we invite you to do

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so eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
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your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod. Now,
there were some people after the debate on Tuesday night,
because you know, there were some people who were arguing, well,
Donald Trump did not do well. Kamala Harris won that debate.
I think that was the prevailing attitude among a lot

(01:28):
of people, and I felt, you know, Donald Trump could
have done deadter Greg Greg has felt the same way.
Kamala Harris very polished in this a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know, she.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Surprised a lot of people because up till then, you know,
she's the queen of the word salad. The interview that
she did on CNN was not that impressive, but she
did much better with the debate on Tuesday night. And
because of that, there are some people are saying this
election is over. Nothing could be further from the truth.
To be real, honest, this election, what are we think?

(02:00):
Fifty three fifty four days to go until we vote
on November fifth, and this election is really far from over.
If if you want my honest opinion, I think that's
the prevailing attitude among many people. I mean, if you
look at the numbers, and every poll out there shows

(02:20):
this is an extremely close race. Many of the polls
do not even get within the margin of era. I mean,
you know, it's two points here, one point here. As
a matter of fact, there was a new poll out
today showing that there is Donald Trump right now has
a significant lead over Kamala Harris with working class voters.

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That's not even the worst news for Harris. Unfortunately for her,
she is in the same position when it comes to
working class voters as Joe Biden was before he was
forced out of the race by his own party. The
results of the poll are very easy to believe working
class people, many of you out there. I would consider

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myself a working class person as well. We've all been
hit hard, probably more than any other group out there
by the policies enacted by Joe Biden slash Kamala Harris,
and it makes perfect sense to me that the voters
would want a massive change in direction. Now, remember Kamala

(03:26):
is out there saying that, well, she's that agent of change.
You know, what's the slogan of her campaign, a New
Way Forward? And she said on the debate the other night.
She said, Look, I am not Joe Biden, but I
sure did like his policies, you know, And I think
what she's trying to be, she's trying to be another
Barack Obama number hope and change, and I think that's message.

(03:48):
She said, Look, we've had we've had, we've Donald Trump's
been around since twenty fifteen, you know, eight nine years now,
Joe Biden was in this mix. We've had this chaos
going on in the country, and you know, Kamala Harris
is bringing a new way forward. She's got all kinds
of ideas, what kind of ideas. They haven't seen any

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new ideas coming from Kamala Harris at all. They're retreads
of what Joe Biden had to do. Now here's what's
interesting about this in my opinion, And we'll get into
this with you a little bit a little bit later
on the Democrats. You know, she has received well, She
and the ABC moderators the other day have received a

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lot of criticism for fact checking Donald Trump during the debate,
but they did no fact checking on Kamala Harris during
the debate. All kinds of questions about you know, defunding
the police, immigration, the economy. You know, there are so

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many issues that back in twenty nineteen she was talking about,
but now she's denied. Ryan Goodturski was on CNN today
talking about that and he kind of listed all the
things that she once talked about and no longer agrees
with you.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
At sixty years old, which is about what she is,
she had a transformational life experience apparently, where in one
thousand days she has changed from a Bernes Saniors Democrat
to a pro choice Bush Democrat. She has abandoned almost
every position, not just on fracking, on reparations for sentence,
the slaves. She was gung ho for a multi trillion
dollar policy, never mentions that she's completely against it. Obviously,

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the transgender illegal aliens in prison, which she did sit
there and say that she was four. She was against ice,
she was for open borders, defund the place.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now that's Ryan Goodtursky. Now, a story out today on
that ATHLU questionnaire that Aaron Burnett at CNN brought up
the other night. And you know, Kamala Harris, you know
she was for using your tax dollars to pay for
transition surgery for illegal aliens. She was in favor of
defunding nights. You know that whole long list that Aaron

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Burnett talked about on CNN the other night. Well, now
the story is out today that Kamala never really filled
out that survey. It was one of her top aides.
You know, they're trying to shift things like you know, well,
she may have been in support of stopping fracking, she
no longer is, according to one of her aids. I
mean she never comes out and says it. Now another

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angle on this and this, this will make you laugh.
Van Jones. Van Jones is a well known Obama advisor
who now is a contributor on CNN. Listen to this
explanation about Kamala Harris and why she is now changing
her mind on so many critical issues.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
It's not just Kama Harris that's moved.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Our whole party was on some weird pogo stick in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
We had all kinds of ideas that turned out to
be bad, ideas we called black Lives Matter.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
And she's yet to.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
Be able to explain why she shifted.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Our whole party was on a pogo stick back in
twenty twenty with all kinds of wacky ideas, and you know,
they're they're they're wacky ideas today, but Kamala Harris is
no longer running on those wacky ideas. Come on, folks,
give us a break. I don't think the American people
are stupid as Democrats think many of you are. I mean,

(07:15):
you can see right through this. The only reason she
is changing her position. Remember she said in that interview
on CNN a couple of weeks ago that you know
her values have not changed. Well, what does that mean?
Her values have not changed? So if she wants to

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stop fracking, has her values unfracking changed? Apparently they have,
but she said, wait a minute, my values have not changed,
So don't worry about that. I mean, this is this
is the issue now. I think the other thing that
annoys a lot of people out there, and this comes
from both sides of political aisle is petiticians say one

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thing one day and do something different the next day.
Case in point now. During the debate the other night
with Donald Trump, Kamala Harris was proud to say that
former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney
have now proudly endorsed the campaign for Kamala Harris. Why

(08:21):
I want to give you a little flashback as to
how the Democrats and the media used to talk about
Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney.

Speaker 8 (08:30):
I actually have the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney, Dick.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Cheney and Satan. That's next.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
The Sith Lord is back like a demon.

Speaker 9 (08:39):
It rises again.

Speaker 10 (08:40):
Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Thank you to Satan forgiving me the inspiration on how
to play this role.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
We don't need Dick Cheney.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Dick Cheney with James was dangerous that the only thing
you got.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
To do is just devetter than Dick change. I like
to see Dick Cheney do exposed. He's a liar.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
I actually have the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
You were part of the Dick Cheney cult that led
to hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis being killed because
the cult you were in.

Speaker 11 (09:12):
Cheney this honestly made up the idea that had nuclear
weapon just lied.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Why do they want these wars?

Speaker 6 (09:17):
What is it that they don't like somebody because they don't.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Like the look of their face? Relevant national embarrassments Dick
Cheney and Liz Cheney.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
I'd enough for remember Dick Cheney driving over to the
CIA to look over their shoulders to make sure they
gave him the intel that he wanted so as to
justify the Iraq War.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
I actually have the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
You've got to absolutely love this. And I think the
funniest thing about all of this is that those people
on the left only a few weeks ago, Hey did
Dick Cheney can seem to see how bizarre this all
looks and how it looks to the rest of the
American people. We see right through this. You know, I've

(10:00):
been endorsed by Dick Cheney. Well, what two hours ago
you were calling him satan for crying out loud. So
I think the American people see right through this, at
least I hope they do, and they understand what's going
on here, at least I hope they do. Fifty three
more days to go for the election, all right, more
to come, A lot to get to here on The
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Great to be with you on this Friday afternoon and
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There's no doubt the two big issues in this campaign
over the next fifty three days will continue to be
immigration and the economy. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris like
to brag about the economy and how they brought it
back created millions of jobs, even though we know that's

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not true. And the Census Bureau this week released a
rather interesting study some information that kind of compares what
the US economy was like under Donald Trump and what
it has been like under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk more about
that is our good friend Ward Clark. He is a
contributor at Red State. Ward, how are you welcome back

(11:24):
to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 12 (11:27):
Great?

Speaker 10 (11:28):
Excuse me doing great? Rod, Great to be back with you.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Ward, let's talk about what the Census Bureau report has
to say about the economy. What did you find most interesting?

Speaker 10 (11:37):
Well, what I found most interesting on this and even
the left Rod can't deny this information because it comes
from government and what it mostly looks at. You know,
the Census Bureau isn't concerned with GDP, it isn't concerned
with interest rates it's going to but they do collect

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that on median real household and up, you know, and
how inflation is affecting that household income under Trump in
his first three years in office, and we remember what
those years were like, the pre COVID years overall was
averaging about seventy seven hundred dollars a gain in real
household income usable income the same time in the highest

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same time frame in the Harris Biden administration. And I'm
saying Harris Biden rather than Biden Harris, because I think
we all know who's running the more likely to be
actually pulling the strings here. It was about a thousand
for that same time interval. And if you drill down
into some of the other groups, it was even more
dramatic for Asian Americans during the first three years of

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Trump it was fourteen thousand dollars in under Harris Biden
is fifteen hundred. It's been a calamity. People are still
seeing You could say, oh, we're still seeing increases in
real household income, but not nearly the increases we saw
in the Trump years. And the question going forward for
vote has got to be which would you rather have
for the next three years ward?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
How how does the Trump administration and people who support
the former president get this information out to people? Because
you're right, I mean, the numbers are there, it's the
Census Bureau. There's no need to say, well, you have
a political leaning one way or the other. How do
you get that word out to people as to what
they're really experiencing now versus what they were experiencing under

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the years with Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 (13:29):
Like we're doing right now. I guess we've we're talking
about it here. I've written about this a number of
times at red State. You can anybody can go look
at my look up my name on red State, and
you'll see a number of articles on economic comparisons between Biden,
Harris and Harris Biden pardon me, and the Trump administration,

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And of course, the big elephant in the room is
is COVID. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have both gone
on about we created this many jobs. There's many been
this many jobs, you know, new jobs under our administration.
Most of those aren't new jobs. Most of those are
COVID rebound jobs. They kept this country lockdown months after
it was becoming ridiculous, and we're still recovering from that.

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I know a lot of people who are in the
industry that I worked in for many, many years, which
was medical manufacturing. That industry has not yet bounced back.
I still know a lot of people that are out
of work, and we're talking you know, managerial and director
and VP level people who you know have been in
the industry for twenty five thirty years.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Or people out there who live paycheck to paycheck. Those voters,
they're obviously feeling this and it's getting harder and harder
for them to live paycheck to paycheck because prices are
going so high.

Speaker 10 (14:55):
Correct correct, and that's that's not anything I don't think
we need to inform those people. I think they're seeing it.
Every day. You see more and more a man on
the street interviews. If you go on X, if you
go on a truth social granted. On any social media platform,

(15:16):
there's an awful lot of chaff to sort through before
you get to the wheat. But you can find hundreds
of these, you know. Some of it's little local independent people.
Some of it is your local news stations are going
out and asking, and a lot of these ordinary people,
probably I'm seeing eight to two are going, oh no,
we're voting for Trump. I remember what things were like

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in the Trump years. One young woman I watched a
short video on x just this morning in Philadelphia, and
she said, well, I like Kamala Harris better. I think
she cares more about us, but things were better under Trump,
So I'm voting for him. Trump. Trump can be you know,
he can be abrasive, but people remember that when he

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was in office we were better off.

Speaker 11 (16:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, Ward, I haven't talked to you, had a chance
to talk to you since the debate the other night.
I'd love to get your take on it and what
you see unfolding over the next what fifty two, fifty three,
fifty four days before we vote. First of all, the
debate the other night, what an embarrassment, in my opinion,
for journalism in general in this country, especially for ABC.

Speaker 10 (16:20):
It was an embarrassment for ABC. You know, David Murra
and Lindsay they were terrible. Donald Trump went in. They're
facing not one opponent, but three, and they didn't even
bother to try to hide it. Yeah, it was. It
was in quite a few You'll see quite a few liberal,

(16:41):
openly liberal commentators and journalists saying they shouldn't have done this.
This isn't right. He was railroaded. And I there's been
a lot of speculation as to whether Donald Trump will
accept another debate or not. If I was advising him,
you know, as he put it, right after the debate,

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Kamala Harris come out said I'd like to do another one,
and his reaction was, you don't ask for a rematch
if you've just won. So she thinks she lost. I
don't know about that, But if I was advising Donald Trump,
my advice would be take a second debate. Offer a
second debate, but only if it can be moderated by
someone like Meghan Kelly.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, and under your rules. I mean, he played
by their rules under this debate in the debate he
had with Joe Biden, So why don't they play under
his rules? All right? Final question for you, Ward, what
do you see going on in the next fifty or
so days before election day?

Speaker 10 (17:35):
More craziness. It's going to get a lot weirder before
it gets better. Ron, I've been watching elections like a
lot of guys watch football and baseball, you know, since
the late seventies. I've never seen anything like this. You've
got one candidate who had a pretty successful presidency and
now is trying to grover cleveland himself into a non
consecutive second term. I hope he wins, but he's got

(18:00):
literally everything. No president, no candidate in history, has had
the entire media apparatus stacked against him the way Donald
Trump has, And not only that, no candidate has had
her incompetence, her ill informedness, and quite frankly, the fact

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that she's not terribly bright, hidden and concealed the way
Kamala Harris has.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, not challenge whatsoever. Ward, is going to be interesting
to see what goes on. Ward has always great to
have me on the show. I enjoyed the weekend. I
know we'll be talking again down the road. Thank you, Ward.
Thanks for red all right on our newspaker line that
is Ward Clark a contributor to Red State, talking about
the American voters and what this new sentenced information has
when it comes to the economy. People were a lot

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happier under Donald Trump than they have been under Harris Biden.
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show. Money
is Greg today on this Thank g Rod. It's Friday
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Thank you g Rod. Is Friday. Greg not here today.
I'm writing solo today, but he'll be back on Monday.
Great to be with you this afternoon. Yes, we will

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open up the phones and the five o'clock hour get
your take on the week's events and what a week
it has been. Eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
simply say hey Rod. Now before we go to our
next guest, we were talking before the break, if you
were listening at the time, with Ward Clark about the

(19:28):
latest census figures comparing the three and a half years
under Donald Trump and the three and a half years
under Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. We're talking about the
economy and Americans. The numbers just prove that the American
people were better off. And then I saw this story
today the CEO of Kroger. Now, Kroger is the third

(19:49):
largest grocery chain in the US, behind Walmart and Costco,
and he said something interesting in a quarterly report. He
revealed that the cost of groceries is now affecting even
customers who would not be as budget conscious. So it
appears that everybody is feeling the pain of high grocery prices,

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is pointed out by the CEO of Kroger. All right,
let's talk about Kamala Harris. She is, among other things,
trying to sell herself to the American people as a tough,
tough prosecutor. But does she want to have it both
ways when it comes to crime? And could that be
one of the reasons a lot of Americans simply do
not feel safe Right now? Joining us on our Any

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Hour Newsmaker line is Rafael Manguel. Rafael as a fellow
and deputy director of Legal policy their Manhattan Institute. Raphael,
you write about this, what are your general feelings? I mean,
she wants to be you know, she wants it both ways.
She is telling the American people, I'm a tough prosecutor,
but Americans don't feel safe. Your thoughts on this.

Speaker 13 (20:52):
Well, you know, it's interesting because you know, Kamala this
time around, UH has really been trying to play up
her you know, history as a prosecutor. I think what
she's really aiming to do is, you know, put Americans
who are worried about crime and public safety a ees
to the extent that they. You know, remember her record

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of the long, long, long time ago, which was twenty nineteen,
a period in which she espoused support for defunding the police,
in which she proposed you know, really far left police
reform proposals, particularly in the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act,
which you know, ultimately did not become law. So, you know,

(21:36):
I think this particular election cycle, she's really trying to rehabilitate,
you know, her her reputation, which was as a relatively
radical police and criminal justice reformer, a decarcerationist, and she's
been doing that kind of kind of playing up, you know,
her role as a prosecutor. But she's also been trying

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to do that really through her surrogates and in the
media by playing down the crime issue more generally so
every time you know that someone in the Donald Trump camp,
or seen as a ligne with the Donald Trump camp,
you know, espouses some kind of concern about the state
of public safety in American cities.

Speaker 14 (22:16):
You know, it takes about thirty.

Speaker 13 (22:18):
Seconds before someone raises their hand and says, well, actually
crimes down. And look they are right, you know, to
an extent. Right over the last couple of years, we
have seen reductions in certain crime categories, although that reduction
has not been universal. There are some cities in which
crime is up. There are some jurisdictions within cities and
which crime is up, others in which it's down, some

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categories in which crime is up, others in which crime
is down. But what's interesting to me is that in
the wake of the mass shooting that took place in
Georgia last week, during a campaign rally, Kamala Harris decided
that she wanted to talk about the issue of gun violence,
and in the context of a suburban school shooting, she

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characterized this country as one that was living through quote
an epidemic of gun violence. And so that really kind
of raises the question which I rais in the piece,
which is well, which is it? You know, is crime
so low that Republican utterings of concern about the issue
amount to fear mongering, or are we living through an

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epidemic of gun violence, in which case the public safety
question becomes much more salient.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
You know, Raphael, you bring up that comment that you
made about this epidemic of gun violence talking about what
happened at the school, But I find it interesting that
they never bring up the gun violence that's taking place
in our major cities like Chicago and Washington, d C.
And Baltimore. What do they not consider that an epidemic
and gun violence as well, Raphael.

Speaker 13 (23:47):
Well, I think they understand it to the extent that
they acknowledge those things as part and parcel of the
epidemic of gun violence that they make reference to. More broadly,
that then implicates their policies in a way that focusing
on suburban school shootings does not. Right, when it comes
to the issue of suburban school shootings, they can point

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the finger at Republicans and say, well, you all don't
support our preferred gun control initiatives, therefore you're responsible for this.
But when it comes to the significantly more, in fact
exponentially more common instances of gun violence that characterize life
in places like the south and West side of Chicago,
in cities like Memphis and Baltimore and Philadelphia, Well, that

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implicates their policies, That implicates their prior commitments to decarceration
and depolicing, That implicates their approach to quote unquote progressive prosecutions.
And that's not a conversation that I think they really
want to have, which is why they have been so
quick to downplay any reference to the urban crime issue.
And you saw that in the presidential debate just earlier

(24:50):
this week, where David mir actually cut Donald Trump off
when he made a passing reference about rising crime in
order to say, well, actually, the FBI estimate that crime
is down in terms of violence overall. And it's like, again, yes,
this is true, but if we're going to lean on
that in order to sort of as a response to

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concerns about urban gun violence and other kinds of violent crime,
well then you have to be consistent. And the reality
is is that the sorts of events that happened in Georgia,
while extremely tragic, are also exceedingly rare.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Rafael she loves to sell herself where it's trying to
sell herself as a former prosecutor who is tough on
the bad guys, put them away through the key away.
I mean, I don't know how much research you've done
under her career as a prosecutor, but how in fact
tough was she on crime in the San Francisco and
California area.

Speaker 13 (25:46):
It Well, the idea that you know, she was kind
of universal and tough on crime during her tenure in
California is a little silly. I mean, you know, for
one thing, you take some of the recent reforms in California, right,
like Proposition forty seven, right, that is a development that
took place while she was Attorney General of California. You

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would think that a quote unquote tough on crime attorney
general would have been extremely outspoken about such a misguided initiative,
and yet her office said almost nothing. You know, progressives,
you know, back in twenty nineteen, tried to sort of
play this idea up that she was a kind of
tough on crime person. Then you look at some of

(26:29):
the examples, they don't just they just don't hold a
lot of water.

Speaker 15 (26:32):
Right.

Speaker 13 (26:32):
One of the examples, it's often pointed to, was twenty
fourteen appeal with a court ruling that deemed the death
penalty in California unconstitutional, and you know she appealed that ruling.

Speaker 14 (26:43):
But what people forget is that.

Speaker 13 (26:45):
Way back in two thousand and four, she refused to
pursue the death penalty as the San Francisco DA in
a case involving the murder of a San Francisco police officer,
and that refusal was pursued to a campaign promise that
she made on the camp Paign trail. Also, while in
office as the DA in San Francisco, she spear had
a different diversion programs which helped defenders avoid jail. She

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imposed implicit bias training requirements, and by the way, on
her way out when she became a California Attorney General,
she endorsed her successor, who was none other than George Gascone,
who is the radical DA now in Los Angeles. So
this is hardly the record of a quote unquote tough
on crime prosecutor. But of course that's something that she

(27:30):
would like all Americans to forget.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
On our Newsbaker line of Rafael Maguel, Rafael, thank you
very much, talking about when it comes to crime, Kamala
would like it both ways. Don't forget coming up at
the top of the hour, we'll talk with a guest
who claims that Donald Trump can say just about anything
anymore and he still could get elected. Could Kamala Harris

(27:55):
do the same thing. We'll talk about that with you
coming up in the five o'clock now. Speaking of Kamala Harris,
I wonder, I wonder how she's going to copy this one.
Of course, the former president Donald Trump has already talked
about limiting taxes on Social Security or just getting rid
of in general, which I totally agree with. I mean,

(28:16):
you already pay Social Security taxes to begin with, then
when you start receiving the benefits, you pay it again.
It just doesn't make sense. But the former president came
out yesterday and announced that he would like some additional
tax cuts, and what he wants to do is end
taxes on overtime pay. Here's what the president said. He said,

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the people who work overtime are among the hardest working
citizens in our country today, and for too long, no
one in Washington has been looking out for them. He
went on to say, it's time for the working man
and women to finally catch a break. And that's what

(29:01):
we're doing, because this is a good one, and I
think it's going to be great for the country. Now.
The latest proposal, of course, I think we would all agree,
builds on his latest economic efforts to win the public
over in his fight with Kamala Harris, because I don't
think she's come up with anything, has she when it
comes to the economy. He did not offer details on

(29:24):
how he would garner congressional support for the legislation or
how the plan would be implemented. But the idea is
out there. And see, in my opinion, this is what
the American people are looking for. They are they're looking
for a leader. They're looking for someone who is going
to look at government and the amount of money that

(29:46):
is being spent and how the American people are being impacted.
And you know over time for most I think in
some cases it maybe double time. Usually it's time and
a half. But if you were ten or twenty hours
of overtime a week, and there are a lot of
people in this country who do that, maybe because they
want to or because they've got a project that they

(30:07):
just need to get done, and they know that overtime
time and a half is going to be taxed at
a higher rate because it is more money. And for
the president to say, the former president to say, you know,
let's just get rid of this. I mean, this is
the kind of out of the box thinking I believe
the American people are looking for. You don't hear Kamala

(30:29):
Harris suggesting anything like this. But Donald Trump has now
looked at Social Security taxes and so we should just
get rid of them. Amen to that. I totally agree
with that. And now he's looking at overtime pay. How
many of you put in overtime each and every week
on your job, either because the job requires it, you

(30:52):
do it, you want to make some extra money. And
wouldn't be nice if that overtime pay, which is generally
time and a half, would not be taxed. And that's
what Donald Trump is coming up with. I don't know
the impact. You know, they're economists out there who today
are saying, boy, that would be just fine. You know,
look at how much more money it may put into

(31:13):
the economy from hard working Americans, not from the government
they're doing enough already damage to it, but from hard
working Americans to pocket a little bit more money to
have at their disposal. And I think that's just another
idea that if word gets out to the American people
as to what the former president is promising, they're gonna

(31:33):
hook on this one like you wouldn't believe. All Right,
our number two, the Rod and Greg Show, coming your
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Rod and Gregg Show with you on this Uh, thank gee, Rod,
It's Friday and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS.

(31:53):
Great to be with you. Lines are open to you
for this hour. If you'd like to talk about whatever
is going on in the world today, maybe some comments
about the debate this past week, this week and how
it's unfolding. It's just getting crazier, folks. We've done what
fifty two fifty three days before the election on November fifth,
and the rates is tight. I mean, this is going

(32:14):
to be very interesting to watch over the coming weeks
as we get ready for election night. On election Day,
I should say, on November fifth, you remember the story.
I think it was round twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, sometime
during Donald Debate's first run for the White House. And

(32:37):
I'm just trying to remember, but somewhere somebody said he
claimed that he could murder somebody on New York's Fifth
Avenue and still be elected president of the United States.
I'm not sure if that's true, but that's you know,
that's kind of the urban legend, whatever you want to
call it, that has gone around over the years Donald
Trump because of the popularity that he had and the

(32:59):
loyal of his followers. Well, my next guest is basically
echoing that. Her name is Myra Adams. She is a
political commentator or writer at The Hill, and she wrote
an article today about why Donald Trump can say anything
and still win the election. And Mara is joining us
on our any hour Newsmaker line right now. Myra, thank
you for your time. I mean your article, you're very

(33:22):
critical of Donald Trump. But I want to ask you,
could Kamala Harris say just about anything, which I think
she's been doing lately with a lot of lives that
are real, real whoppers. Can she say just about anything
and still possibly get elected?

Speaker 4 (33:37):
I don't know. I think not, just because Trump has
said that he would not accept the results of the
election unless they were quote unquote, you know, fair, and
so when you have a presidential candidate just starting off
saying that they're they're you know, they they're they're going

(33:59):
to give you a reason why they're not going to
accept the results. And we know what happened last time,
so there's a real record there. And I think that's
what I think makes the impending election potentially extremely chaotic.
And I have a friend today that I talked to

(34:19):
is trying to plan a meeting in late November and
in DC, and they're afraid to do it. They think
there could be such chaos as the city, and there
could be. I think there's just there's a lot of
paranoia right now when you have Trump really very emphatic
about it. The election is going to be rigged, it's
going to be stolen. He's going to be cheated again.

(34:40):
And there's so many of his followers that believe that,
as you read in my piece. But I don't think
that comes from the Democrat side, no matter who is
the head of the ticket. I don't think it's as
much from the Democrat side as you get from the
Republican side, because they promote Republicans are promoting that, at
least the person at the top is promoting that, and they,
you know, bod his followers listen to him.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Why did they listen to him? I mean, what is
the loyalty factor to Donald Trump? Because I've never seen
anything like it. I've been on this good old Earth
for quite some time. There seems to be a real
devotion to Donald Trump. Why do you think that exists?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh boy, that is the best question.

Speaker 13 (35:21):
I think historians are.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Going to be mulling that over. They will be libraries
full of books just about that, because it is a phenomenon.
You could say it's a cult. He's a very charismatic person.
He gives a big, you know, fu to the system.
And there's a lot of people out there that are
very discouraged and just gruntled about their lives, particularly a

(35:44):
lot of young men. And it's like they look at
Trump as the person that's you know, bucking the system.
It's like they Trump is doing with things that they
want to do, which is just basically say forget it.
I don't I don't trust the system. The system's not
doing me any good. I want to overturn it. I
want to burn it down if i Trump represents the
burning it down, and it has some appeal to people.

(36:08):
And I hate to say this, but many of them
are you know, not college educated. Most of them tend
to be more blue collar workers, and that kind of
you know, violent approach appeals to them. That's only one
of the reasons, but you know that's a good one
to start with.

Speaker 11 (36:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I read an article the other day. Kim remember who
wrote this article, but I found it fascinating, And the
article was about if you want to succeed in government,
don't get anything done, because if you get something done,
it will be a problem that will go away. And
government is based on fixing problems, and if they don't
fix problems, they still exist. Does Donald Trump represent to
some people in America, maybe half of America, that if

(36:51):
he gets in there, he will get something done, where
if you elect other politicians who've been inside the Beltway
for a long long time, they're happy not getting anything done,
just rolling along.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I think he has that aura about him, but I
don't really know how back base it is. And if
you look at the actual number of significant pieces of
legislation that were passed under his administration versus the significant
pieces of legislation that were passed under Biden, there is

(37:27):
no comparison. There's absolutely no comparison. So I think a
lot of that is this myth. I mean, Trump is
a showman, and you know, he basically hammers home these
points that he only he can solve these problems, and
only he is the one that could turn America around.
But he keeps saying it in such a way that
he makes he makes it like almost like only he

(37:51):
only he was put here to do that, no one
else could ever do it. And it's some people buy it.
It's a stick, and people buy it because they've never
seen anything.

Speaker 14 (38:01):
Like it either.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I mean, you have to admit, I mean this is
a very unusual act.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah. Yeah, but myra isn't politics as much theater as
it is anything else, and he's pretty good at theater.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
That is what it has come to. Yes, I totally
agree with you. It is celebrity driven. It's theater driven,
entertainment based. That's really sad. You should think about people
like great leaders in our country. You wonder in the
television age, you know how Abraham Lincoln would have done.

(38:33):
You know, you just think about, you know, some of
our leaders in the past that maybe you know, the
TV age wouldn't have been very kind to them. But
now we have the social media age where you can
just be everywhere anytime put anything out, it's it is entertainment.
It's a fight for clicks, it's a fight for eyeballs.

Speaker 13 (38:53):
It's just gotten out a hand.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, why we are where we are in our country.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
But could the same thing be said about Kamala Harris.
We don't know what she stands for. We're trying to
figure it out. I mean, could the same thing be
said about Kamala Harris right now? I mean, you know
what does she stand for?

Speaker 16 (39:09):
Right?

Speaker 4 (39:10):
I think she stands for really go back to Obama
in away, hope and change. And she's not Donald Trump
and she's not Joe Biden. I mean that's really her
message in some ways, it's really pretty simple, and she
just represents something new.

Speaker 14 (39:24):
Turn the page.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
We're not going back. We think about why Biden won.
Biden won because he wasn't Trump, and he was going
to bring us back to normalcy. Okay, whether or not
he did that, I don't know if we could ever
be normal as a country again. But she just represents
just a new start, a generational change. And I mean,
so far she's gotten away without being real specific about

(39:46):
her policies because at this point, honestly, I don't think
policies matter. I think it's just like you said, it's
driven by personality and entertainment, and you know who's got
the bigger crowds and who's going to trap attract the
most celebrity and the worsemiths. I mean, I think people
are really deciding who are going to vote were based
on a lot of things that have nothing to do

(40:07):
with policy.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right now, Mara Adams joining us on our Newsmaker line.
She is a political commentator and a writer to the Hill,
and I imagine there are a lot of you out
there who totally disagree what she just said. That's why
we want to bring her on today because I do.
I do as well. I mean, you know what, Well,
here's what I'm getting sick and tired of. And the
media loves to point this out about people who support

(40:29):
Donald Trump. Well, they're uneducated white people. They don't have
a college degree. So to the media and to those
on the left, code word you're all stupid. You know,
That's what the message is there. You're white and you
do not have a college degree, so therefore you must

(40:52):
be stupid. That's what the liberals think of you, and
what the Democrats. In my opinion think of you. All right, well,
I'll get to your reaction to what Myra had said
and open up the phones on this, thank g Rod,
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here in Salt Lake City, Alana. How are you welcome

(41:55):
to the Roden Gregg Show. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 11 (41:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (42:00):
I wanted to comment from the woman you had on
the show right before the drad and all. What I
want to say is she's projecting as just all democrata doing.
She said, we are the Trump voter are illiterate or
non educated. I have a pH in physics from Columbia University.

(42:23):
And I didn't vote for Trump the first time. I
didn't vote for Trump the second time. I'm still wondering why.
And I will walk on the glass on my knee
to go vote for him this time. And when she
said we don't care about policy, that's precisely why we
vote for Trump, because his policy are going to bring

(42:46):
back the country from the brink. And then she said
we don't want to go back. Actually I do want
to go back. I want to go back to inflation
at point at one point nine, and I want to
go back to and frustrate at three points something. And
I want to go back with to secure TIS and
no illegally migrants in out of town. So she got

(43:09):
every single point wrong. There is not one thing that
she got correctly.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
No, she's not a cult.

Speaker 9 (43:17):
She is in a cult. She's voting for someone who
was put there absolutely and democratically nobody voted for her. Yes,
I mean the person in the cult is hers.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, that's all I.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
All right, Elana, you are spot on with that, and
thank you very very much for that phone call. Yeah,
supporters of Donald Trump, we're in a cult. I mean,
and you know, nobody is perfect. You know, I know
of only one person who walked the face of this
earth who is perfect in my opinion, and that is
Jesus Christ. And everybody we all have our faults, but

(43:54):
I look at his policies. I mean, this idea, and
I mentioned this before the break, of ending the tax
on over time pay. What a wonderful idea. How many
Americans would benefit from that? You know, if you're getting ten, fifteen,
twenty hours of overtime in anymore, just that little bit
of extra money in your in your paycheck, what a
difference that would make. All right, let's go back to

(44:16):
the phones here on thank g rod Is Friday eighty
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. We go
to Darlene, who's in Sandy tonight. Darlene, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 17 (44:27):
Oh great, Hi, Rod, I just wanted to talk about
the lady that was before this the pat Yes anyway,
before the great Yes. I have six kids and their spouses,
and that would be twelve. Eleven of them are college graduates.
I have seventeen grandkids. They're awesome. Nine of them, eight

(44:51):
of them are college graduates, and three of them are
in college now. And they're hard workers, They're smart. And
I'm being I'm g I'm disgusted being called stupid, deplorable,
and despicable by the Democrats. I just wanted to air
that tonight.

Speaker 14 (45:11):
I tell you what I am, and I agree.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I thank you for your call, Darlinge, and I so
much agree with you. Are we all just getting sick
and tired of these the the smug liberals who look
down their noses on us because we didn't go to
Harvard or Princeton.

Speaker 16 (45:27):
You know it.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Just come on, folks, I mean, we're hard working Americans
just like you are. Well, maybe we're harder working in
my opinion. Back to the phones, Let's go to kJ
in Bluffett Dale tonight here on the Rodden Great Show. kJ.
How are you? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Oh, just fine, thank you. I absolutely agree with these
two ladies that just spoke. And I want to say,
you know, I'm eighty one years old. I grew up
in California, Central California, and California was the Golden state
then it was the One of my pastors once said
it was a land in milk and honey, that's no

(46:02):
longer true because of the policies that this lady obviously
thinks work. And so I yeah, we want a secure border,
we want a strong military, we want to be out
of war. All of the things that Trump stands for.
We are voting on issues. Yeah, thank you so much
for taking the call.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
All right, Kjay, thank you. Did you notice that the
former president was in California today and he talked about California.
He said, do we want the rest of the country
to become like California? What gruesome Newsom and Kamala have
done to that great state and how people are leaving
it in droves. Taxes are too high. Regulation is just

(46:42):
out of this world. AJ, You're absolutely right, we're foarding.
We're fighting for an America, not a California America. Eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero to the phones.
We go, Let's go to Star Valley, Wyoming and talk
with Darren tonight here on the Rodding Greg Show. Hi, Darren,
how are you good?

Speaker 17 (47:00):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (47:00):
Red? Yeah, that lady uh and her opinions are really
harsh for me. I have a graduate degree, I've studied
at three of the best technical colleges in the country.
I've worked for a couple of the Big Three and
and and personally been involved in a in a Nobel
project and several problems that the world needed, uh needed resolved.

(47:26):
And I find it so offensive when people tell me
that Trump is supported by uneducated, uncapable people. That's just
that's just wrong.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, it's offensive, isn't it. Darren? You're gonna what are
we chop liver? I mean for crime out loud. There
are a lot of educated people out there who support
Donald Trump, and even if they don't have a college
degree doesn't mean they're stupid. But the Democrats sure do
like to insinuate that, don't they.

Speaker 14 (47:50):
Darren Well, and I live in an area where most
of my neighbors didn't go the path that I did.
Most of them are in other types of work, and
they're not less intelligent than we are. They're not. They're
wonderful people. And just because they chose to sing a hammer,
drive a truck, or you know, have a trade instead

(48:13):
of you know, the college formal college education really doesn't
mean that they're less intelligent or or that the people
that chose the education path are more intelligent.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, Darren. Thank you for pointing that out.
You know, just a personal note, my father he went
through I think his sophomore year in high school and
then had to quit and went to work on his
family farm at the time, and then became a very
successful businessman. I've shared that story with people as I've
gone around the state speaking to various groups. You know,

(48:48):
I considered my my father one of the smartest men
I ever knew. And I look at my wife's father.
I'm not sure what level of education he had, but
he was a farmer. He understood, you know, he had
you know, here's what I love about you know, and
they they love to attack people who don't have a
college degree, so to speak, but you know what, these

(49:11):
are people who have more common sense what I like
to call horse sense, than anybody out there, and they
can look at a problem and figure it out and
get a solution pretty quickly. They don't need to appoint
a commission to do that, all right, Mary, your calls
and comments, Kenny up right here on Thank Rodd it
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(49:54):
on this Friday afternoon. We begin in Ougden with Zay tonight,
who's been waiting patiently to come on the Showy. Why
are you? Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 18 (50:01):
Zane, I'm doing good, Rod, how are you?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I'm great? Thank you for asking.

Speaker 13 (50:07):
So.

Speaker 18 (50:08):
Originally I only had one point, but after that the
lady that he had on in the first part of
the hour, I gotta say, there's more than one way
to be smart. I mean, there's people who are college
educated and brilliant people. Nothing against them, but they couldn't
change a tire on.

Speaker 12 (50:28):
The side of the road.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
They don't know.

Speaker 18 (50:30):
There's different kinds of smart, so you can't classify one
type of person as smart. So with that, I wanted
to talk more about Trump's new policy of not taxing
over time. If you look at the one group of
people that shows up the least amount to vote, it's

(50:53):
the uneducated or UnCollege educated blue collar worker. Yeah, and
those people were out there working ten, twelve, fourteen hours
a day, five six, seven days a week, and they're
bringing in a lot of overtime, and they really as
one of those people myself, like, you know, we see

(51:14):
that in our taxes that it gets we get a
lot of money taken out.

Speaker 12 (51:18):
With all that over time.

Speaker 14 (51:19):
What kind of idel like that's going to bring a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, Zane, what kind of a difference that, Yeah, What
kind of a difference would it make in your paycheck?
Do you think if you didn't pay taxes on overtime?
What kind of a difference do you think?

Speaker 10 (51:30):
You'd say?

Speaker 18 (51:32):
When I heard that last night, me and my wife
went through and crunched the numbers, and that would be
about an extra thousand dollars a month.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
Wow for me and my wife.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Wow.

Speaker 18 (51:42):
Well, if if there is no, and again we weren't
super he didn't go into too much detail on it,
so I don't know if that's going to be only
federal income tax that includes also the state income tax,
if that covers Social Security, that kind of stuff. But
if it drops all the taxes completely off from my overtime,

(52:06):
that would be about an extra thousand.

Speaker 12 (52:08):
Dollars a month.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, that's nice. I think it primarily focused on federal
taxes because that's what the president oversees, but there would
be a push on the state level as well. Back
to the phones, we go, all, let's talk with us. Shelley,
who's on Highway eighty nine? I think still driving home tonight. Shelley,
how are you? Thanks for coming down the Rod and
Greg show.

Speaker 19 (52:28):
I am hi, rob, I am frustrated, angry, upset, disheartens,
so many emotions I get. I'm angry because I am
so so tired of all the lies.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Uh huh.

Speaker 19 (52:47):
If I hear another lie, I'm just gonna I don't
know what I'm gonna do, but that's where I'm angry.
And another thing is when I hear these liberals that
go on these new shows or radio or whatever, and
they talk. They're not given any pushback. No like during

(53:10):
the debate Donald Trump was back checked five times, they said,
and Kamala Harris zero. There was no pushback, and she
had all kinds of lies.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Oh boy, did she I lost count? Yeah? Did she
ever shall? Yeah?

Speaker 19 (53:26):
Makes me angry because nobody pushes them back to say no,
and so therefore all their lies are out there and
people are believing them. So that's why I'm a little upset.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, I'm with you, Shelley. And here's a problem. I mean,
she gave a speech I believe it was in North
Carolina yesterday filled with lies, I mean filled with lies.
And the problem is the media doesn't have access to her,
so they don't get a chance to ask your questions.
And if they do, there are a lot of people

(54:00):
in the media who are afraid. They're intimidated by her
to ask some tough questions. I don't know why, but
I think they are back to the phones. We go.
Let's go to Jennifer and Murray tonight here on the
Rodden Greg Show. Jennifer, how are you? Thanks for joining
us tonight?

Speaker 20 (54:15):
Jennifer, I'm doing I'm doing great.

Speaker 19 (54:18):
How about you?

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Right, I'm doing well. Thank you for asking, Jennifer, what's
on your mind?

Speaker 16 (54:23):
Well?

Speaker 20 (54:24):
I just want to remind people about Hillary Clinton used
to call us deplorables all the time that wouldn't vote
for her. Joe Biden calls it nobody, and now now
come less is degrading us. This is their intimidation factor
against people trying to belittle. And you know what the

(54:46):
weird part is is they're always telling people that Donald
Trump is trying to intimidate and be little people.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Is that interesting, Jennifer, You're right, Jennifer, he is. What
did Obama who called was was a bible thumping, gun
toting crazy crazy something like that. Back to the phones,
Let's start with John in Salt Lake tonight. John, how
are you welcome to the rodden great show? Thanks for
joining us, John.

Speaker 11 (55:12):
Hi, the God Show, grand It Friday.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
There you go, there, you go there, John.

Speaker 11 (55:22):
So, I have an idea that would cause self deportations. Okay,
here's the way that it works is I have a
theory this. You know, the number will obviously be different
than mine, but I praised him. It takes about ten
thousand dollars to capture somebody, process them and deport them.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Okay, yep, okay.

Speaker 11 (55:47):
So instead of doing that, say okay, now you're gonna
pay that ten thousand dollars. You owe us that money,
and if you want to do defer that. What we'll
do is we'll pay you five thousand dollars to come
into the Ice office, give your biometrics, and we'll give

(56:11):
you right out of the country to wherever you want
to go. And if you come back, you've been flagged
by biometrics and you not only all us, the ten
thousand us, the five thousand as well. And the contract
is to sign has what's it called done doing a

(56:37):
Joe Biden moment here confess judgment and you confess to fraud.
And it's a twenty year prison sentence.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Wow you think that would work?

Speaker 12 (56:51):
John?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Do you think that would work?

Speaker 11 (56:54):
I think yeah, well, especially if if the backside of
it is after you don't go turn yourself in. Wait
will round you up what we're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah? There you go? All right, John, thank you? Interesting idea.
All right, we've got more calls. We need to take
a break and then we'll come back with more of
your thoughts on this on The Rod and Gregg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.
Here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.
All Right, we're taking your phone calls today reaction to
what our guests at five o'clockhead to say. Myra Adams

(57:27):
was really a nice lady, by the way, but who
is way out there when she says, you know, Trump
can get away with anything and say anything, and people
will follow them because they're uneducated. That's what her claim is.
Back to the phones, we go. Let's see what you
have to say and what's on your mind tonight about this.
Scott is in West Valley, been waiting patiently to come
on the show and share his thoughts. Scott, Welcome to

(57:49):
The Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 16 (57:52):
Hey, Rob, thanks for taking my call. And I really
appreciate the civil discourse of your show.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (57:57):
I have a disagreement about the tax breaks for overtime pay,
and you know, I feel for people and taxes, but
I think about somebody that's got a single job and
they work fifty or sixty hours a week and they
get overtime pay and they get the tax cut, and
somebody else that's got two or three part time jobs

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and works the same fifty or sixty hours a week
and they don't get that tax cut. And I don't
think that's right. And it's similar to the student debt.
You know, let's forgive student debt. But you know, I
got a study that came out of high school, borrowed
money to start his own business. Nobody's talking about forgiving

(58:39):
his debt or medical debts. So I think these, you know,
SoundBite policies, we really need to think through them and
about are they really fair? Are they really good for
our economy?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, you know, that is such a good point, Scott.
I didn't even think about that. And thanks for bringing
that up, because there are people out there who are
holding down two jobs, made in some cases three jobs.
They're working sixty seventy hours a week just to make
ends meet, and they wouldn't be able to take advantage
of this gun. I think you raise a very interesting point.
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (59:11):
You welcome. And also entrepreneurs, right, some of these guys
in the company, Yeah, those guys work like crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Well, they sure do, they sure do. I had entrepreneurs,
you guys, you men and women out there who did
that he had a lot of guts. Man, I really
think you do. I want to let you listen in
on this sound but I think we can bring this
into you. This is Mark Halpern.

Speaker 11 (59:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Mark Alpern is a political strategist political columnist. He was
the one during the leading into the weekend following the
Republican National Convention who kind of laid out the plan
as to how Joe Biden would step down and he
was spot on. Maybe an or too early with it,
but he was spot on. But now he has shared

(59:57):
on newsbacks he's their political strategist now about why Kamala
Harrison's team is pushing for a second debate, and he
explains that as to why that may be taking place
listening in on this, this is why.

Speaker 21 (01:00:10):
I think contrary you're saying they won't. You know, Donald
Trump ruled out of debate. I think he's trying to
get the debate on friendly terms and see if he
can force Kamala Harris. Because the dirty little secret is
the Harris campaign wants another debate because they think they
need it because she didn't do a full adequate job
of introducing herself to the country, convincing them that she's
ready to be present, and she's got specific plans. These polls,

(01:00:33):
these post to big polls, are not of not an
undecided voters, They're of all voters, and undecided voters are
different than all voters. To do a poll of undecided voters, though,
is extremely expensive because it costs a lot of money
to find undecided voters to poll right the undecided voters
based on what we've seen so far anecdotally, even by

(01:00:55):
what New York Times Wall Street Journal News section, they
weren't as impressed with Kamla harr All the MSNBC anchors
were about how she did. So I don't I have
talked to anybody who expects the polls to change based
on what happened Marcia.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Donald Trump to another debate.

Speaker 21 (01:01:13):
I don't think he should if he's going to do
another debate on three on one debate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, that's Mark Helper and basically saying, look, you know
this is why they want another debate. And remember the
headlines following the debate the other night. You know, people
were praising Kamala Harris, you know, said Donald Trump did
not do a good job. If you go back and
listen to it, donald Trump did a pretty darn good
job if you take a look at things. But it

(01:01:38):
is the undecided voters, and as Halpern just pointed out,
very hard to pull. Undecided voters are hard to find,
and many are reluctant to say anything to begin with.
They'll say something on November fifth when they step into
that voting booth, but they're very hard to find, and
they were the ones who I think it was. Both
The Washington Post and New York Times pointed out that

(01:02:01):
following that debate, they were saying, yes, Kamala probably won
the debate, but we aren't convinced she should be president
of the United States. And I think that is why,
you know, the the Harris campaign says we got to
have another one here. It's not because she did so well.
It's because she didn't articulate her message. I mean, the

(01:02:22):
first question out of the gate by Mire and Davis was,
you know, can you tell the American people that they're
better off today today than they were four years ago.
She didn't answer it, she doesn't know how to answer it. Instead,
she went, you know, I was raised in a middle
class family, and I did this and I did that.

(01:02:43):
But she didn't answer the question that people want to
know about, how are you going to make our lives
easier by bringing down inflation and bringing down about the
cost of everything. She didn't have an answer, and I
think that's where she failed, and hopefully that's what voters
will remember when they head to the booth on November fifth.

(01:03:05):
All right, our number three of the Rodding Greg Show
coming your way right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
O five to nine an rs. We've been talking about
so many important issues that we thought we'd play this
all back for you on the final hour of the
Rotten Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one O

(01:03:26):
five nine. Can are asked. Great to be with you.
Thank you for joining us as you head home into
the weekend. A lot going on this weekend. Looks like
we're going to have an absolutely beautiful weekend. Now let's
begin with our listen back Friday segment. It was just
about last week, I believe it was at this time
the Utah Foundation released a new survey. They went out
and wanted to see if there's anything that Democrats and

(01:03:47):
Republicans in this state agree on. Well, they did find
a few things. Greg and I had a chance to
talk with Sean Tigan. He is president of the Utah Foundation.
As we began our conversation with Sean, I asked him,
first of all, is he actually surprised to find out
that there are some things here in the state of
Utah they're both Democrats and Republicans agree on, you know,

(01:04:08):
I I.

Speaker 15 (01:04:09):
Would like to say that I wasn't surprised, but maybe
a little bit. It is good to hear that on
a few of the issues when you're looking across the
political spectrum, Uh, there's some pretty strong alignment. And that
doesn't make me feel good, you know, Like as a parent,
you think that that you know, everybody cares about education,

(01:04:31):
and it turns out, you know, everybody's concerned about it,
and everybody wants to do things about it. They don't
always agree on exactly what should be done, but I
think it is good good to know that people are
concerned and really care about several issues and align with
that concern.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
You know, Sean a lot. When I was a lawmaker,
these looked familiar to me, and there was bipartisan priority
and and dealing issues dealing with our schools. Even with
that with with cost of living or roads, transportation, water,
Here's my question though, and I've been saying this for
a while. We have seventy five at least seventy five

(01:05:09):
percent of Utah's entire population living in four counties out
of twenty nine in a valley. When are we going
to hear more people talk about the other counties that
if you brought some infrastructure and you could see some jobs,
they're irony for most the outlier counties that they lose
their young people. They lose them because there aren't jobs there.
They're migrating out while we're grappling with so much, so

(01:05:32):
much population growth, which is really what some of these
issues when you talk about water k through twelve, or
you talk about congestion, that quality of life, housing affordability,
that's what that's about. When do we get to the
broader argument of let's bring some infrastructure into the rest
of these counties so that we can see industry grow,
we can see people stay and even have some of
our young people who can't fit any longer, and a

(01:05:53):
lot of that's front maybe stay in Utah and live
inside the state in some of these other counties. Does
that conversation will that ever come up?

Speaker 15 (01:06:02):
You know that so this this product is our priorities project,
that product that we're that we really focus on those issues. Greg.
It's related to our quality of life. And you see
a lot of differences across the state, particularly when you're
looking at rural communities versus more urban and suburban communities.

Speaker 12 (01:06:21):
You see those differences there, and in that case, you.

Speaker 15 (01:06:24):
Know, more rural communities are a lot more concerned about
things like jobs, having enough jobs and and that kind
of economic growth and that sort of thing. Unfortunately, like
you say, when you know, we get five or six
hundred people answering some questions about things, most of those
people are from those four counties, and a lot of

(01:06:45):
the people in those four counties, frankly kind of forget
about that those smaller communities because it's like, well, we've
got problems here, let's work on the problems we've got here.
The other thing is, though you know, people coming into
the state from other places, they typically probably also want
to live in those poor counties. And a lot of
times it might be because of the amenities who've got,

(01:07:07):
but it's also because you're closer to the ski resorts
than that sort of thing.

Speaker 12 (01:07:10):
So I think that that is a.

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
Tricky balance, and I think it is.

Speaker 15 (01:07:14):
Very important for lawmakers and for Utah's across the states
to not forget about those populations in our more rural counties.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
We're talking right now with Sean Taig and Sewn of
course as president of the Utah Foundation. Sean, I found
it interesting when you listed, and you put in various
categories most important, high importance, important. At the bottom is
what I found interesting. Least important the Great Salt Lake
and transgender rights and access. We're spending a lot of
money on saving the Great Salt Lake, which I think

(01:07:43):
we're all concerned about, and the media provides an awful
lot of coverage of transgender rights and access. Were you
surprised that those appear to be the least important jeer
to the people you surveyed?

Speaker 15 (01:07:56):
So on the first one on the Great Salt Lake. Absolutely,
And when we revealed these these that list of priorities
to the public, I had somebody come and talk about
the Great Salt Lake specifically because I figured it would
be like a top five issue.

Speaker 12 (01:08:12):
So they surprised that one.

Speaker 15 (01:08:14):
I was a little bit less surprised out on the
transgender rights on access, and you see it actually in
the survey, there's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats,
and between conservative voters and liberal voters kind of on
that issue.

Speaker 12 (01:08:27):
So I was less surprised about that.

Speaker 15 (01:08:28):
But I think with the Great Salt Lake, and this
is something that that Representative Todd Weiler had mentioned to
me yesterday, and he kind of suggests it's possible.

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
That you know, if if uton's are paying.

Speaker 15 (01:08:40):
Attention to the news and paying attention to what lawmakers
are doing on Capitol Hill, they know that that they
there's been a big focus on the Great Salt Lake
over the last few years and people and we've been
really doing a lot. In fact, I think there was
just some some pretty exciting news this week about getting
more water into the Great Salt Lake. And the other
thing is that you know, we have had some pretty
good snowpack over the past couple of years, and so

(01:09:02):
maybe it's a little bit less of a high concern,
though generally people are concerned about water, and that's still
mad made it up a little bit higher on the.

Speaker 7 (01:09:12):
Lift Sean you mentioned speaking with Senator Wiler, I would
hope that as you're putting your the smart decision makers
together and you're going through the data here that going
back to my original question that the housing affordability earning
enough to pay for non housing needs air quality, you
can actually they can actually address these issues by seeing

(01:09:34):
in those rural areas, not for the purpose of only
the rural citizens concern, but for the concerns of us
that live here in the long Wist Hatch Front, to
see this state grow proportionately and into those other areas
to address housing AfOR ability. I think that the legislature,
if it wants to get into the building of houses,
that's not going to end well. I don't know that
that's a great place for the legislature to be, but

(01:09:55):
I do think there are ways to find a lower
cost of living with a higher quality of life in
the state Utah. And so I would hope I'm just
asking you to please when you're when you put these
round tables together, profer that I think that's a that's
an idea that time has come.

Speaker 12 (01:10:11):
You know, it's an idea. The time has come.

Speaker 15 (01:10:13):
And also I brought up people wanting to live near
a ski resort. There are some really great ski resorts
outside of those poor counties, and there are you know,
some of the you know are mighty five natural parks.
National parks are off off of the Wattatch Front, And
so I mean there's this is a beautiful state no
matter where you go, no matter which corner.

Speaker 12 (01:10:33):
Of the state you go into. And I think that
that that's a very good point.

Speaker 15 (01:10:36):
Like if you're going to try to build some housing
that's supportable, if you're a developer out there doing some
of that housing, you're going to find property, the costs
of property in some more rural counties, even if you
know there are ways from from Salt Lake City and
Provo and and Ogden, but but they're going to be
a lot less expensive. And if you can if you

(01:10:56):
can make sure that the education opportunities are out there
and that the jobs are out there, people are going
to want to be in those areas in part because
it is you're going to be dealing with less traffic,
and you're going to be dealing with less air pollution
and some of these other issues that you deal with
along the Latche Front.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
As part of our Listen Back Friday presentation, our conversation
with Sean Tigan, president of the Utah Foundation, talking about
Democrats and Republicans, Agreen on several Utah issues. When we
come back, we'll talk about debt, school lunch debt and
what can be done here in the state of Utah
to fight against it. That's all coming up here on
the Rod and Greg showing this Listen back Friday on

(01:11:31):
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five to nine knrs. All right,
let's continue with our Listen back Friday segments. You know,
as another school year gets underway here in Utah, the
issue of school lunch debt has risen to the foreground,
a lot of discussion about all of this. By some estimates,
listen to this number, there were as two point eight
million dollars in school lunch debt last year, accumulated over

(01:11:53):
the previous school year. It is a real issue. So
is it time to consider both a free breakfast and
free lunch program for schools and students throughout the state
of Utah. We had a chance to talk with state
Representative Tyler Clancy, who was working on a proposal to
deal with this earlier this week, and Greg and I
asked him about school lunch and what direction he thinks

(01:12:14):
the state should be going.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
Well, thanks for the question, Rod, I think it actually
poses a broader question of how our welfare programs out
of work? Do our welfare programs need revision, and I
think they do. I mean, families are feeling the squeeze
now more than ever with bidnomics and the massive inflation
that families are particularly feeling. At the grocery store, we're
seeing this school lunch debt pile up. Almost seventy to

(01:12:39):
eighty percent of that school lunch debt is from families
who are on the reduced price category. So these are
families who are struggling to afford fifty cents for breakfast
and launch for their kids. And I think that's just
a symptom of a larger problem. So what I'm hoping
to do is really take a tailored approach, make sure
people found aren't being penalized for getting married or taking

(01:13:02):
mom more hours at work, you know, getting a raise
something that I pushed them just above the inco threshold,
and then they're on the hook and really struggling to
pay off that meal debt.

Speaker 7 (01:13:14):
Representative, I really appreciate your voice and a conservative approach
on this issue. The thing that really strikes me, and
it's one that I've actually lived when I was a
kid and I'm raised by a single mother. Is these
kids have no choice in terms of what family household
income they're born into, what the circumstances are when they
go to school every day, and it is often the
case that these young young students it might be the

(01:13:35):
only square meal they're going to see during the day,
but they can't afford it. And I know when I
was a young boy, I didn't want to have a
different colored lunch ticket than the other kids, and so
there was a stigma to that. Tell me, how did
you come to this issue where you've identified that we
have some young people that just need help and this
reduced lunch and it's debt climbing is not solving the problem.

(01:13:57):
How did you come by this issue?

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Well, Greg, you mentioned that personal aspect, seeing it firsthand
when you're in the lunch line. I've had the opportunity,
through work with in the nonprofit sector and law enforcement
to come across many of these young kids who, like
you said, they're doing the best they can right they
don't have an option to pick up more hours at

(01:14:21):
work if they're eight, you know, six, six, seven, eight
years old. When you can textualize it. We spend seven
billion dollars on education in the state of Utah. And
imagine if you said we want to spend more money
on pens or pencils because kids don't have the utilities
to write. I don't think anyone would call that a

(01:14:41):
waste of money. Well, we have two point eight million
dollars of school lunch debt or you know, somewhere between
the rows of thirteen percent of kids at school that
are hungry, that are not getting the adequate food they need.
Do we think that they're going to learn? Do we
think that seven billion dollars of tax payer money is
going to be spent effectively If we have that same

(01:15:04):
kind of group of kids who are who are just
not eating, they're hungry, they're not going to learn, and
it's not going to be a good use of our uh,
that stewardship that we have over our taxpayer money representative.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
How important is a good school breakfast, in school lunch
or just a breakfast or lunch for these kids, especially
in these early ages. How important is it for these
kids have a well balanced meal that they that will
fuel their bodies to learn, to you know, to absorb
the education they're being given. How important is it?

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
It's critical? I mean we know from you know, even
a social science standpoint, the hierarchy of needs, those physical
needs such as food and nutrition, that's at the very
bottom of that pyramid that we you know, discuss, But
I mean think of it, you know, even as professionals,
as adults, folks who you know, I'd like to think
that we all have good emotional regulation, get social skills.

(01:15:56):
If we're missing two meals during the day and someone's
asking us to learn a new subject at one pm
or two pm, that's not going to happen. Now take
that same scenario to a young child who hasn't even
gained those skills to develop and grow socially and emotionally
and all those things. It's a recipe for disaster. So

(01:16:18):
for me, I think it's a critical point because we're
already spending the money, we already have these programs. We
got to make sure that they're actually hitting the families
who need it most.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
RBS, here's a challenge. And I don't know if this
is too deep in the weeds, but I think if
you were to provide all free lunches for every kid
in schools, you'd see a lot of food thrown away.
You'd see a devaluation of actually some of this food
how people come by it. I don't think everyone should
walk into a school and necessarily receive a free school lunch,
but there are those that need it. What is where

(01:16:48):
do you draw that line? What is the income or
how do you want to find those that are in
need versus I've been I've served meals at the homeless
shelter at Saint Vincent's, and I've seen people throw away
food that you know, take three b and throw the
whole play away. We don't want that to happen. So
how do you find out how do you strike that balance?

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Well, listen, As a common sense conservative, I think that
social safety net should be just that, a safety net.
You know. I always kind of shake my head when
I hear Bernie Sanders talk about medicaid for all, you know,
medicaid is the last resort. You don't want to be
on medicaid. You want to have better insurance than that.
I think it's a similar a similar framework. Right now,

(01:17:27):
the Federal Poverty Guideline set what's called the Community Eligibility
Standards for free reduced school lunch. Right now, at the
very end of the scale for the reduced price one
hundred and eighty five percent of the poverty line. You're
looking at a family of five a little under fifty
thousand dollars a year, and so three four years ago,

(01:17:50):
I think during the Trump era, I think you can
make that work. It's obviously still going to be a stretch.
But nowadays when you're hearing stories of families to go
to the grocery store and their grocery bill for the
same exact food they're buying is almost double. I mean,
this is just something we've got to address. Obviously, we
need to continue as a state to really be an

(01:18:12):
economic engine to hit on that inter poverty, intergenerational poverty.
But ultimately, if we've got hungry kids at school, they're
not going to learn, and we are just burning that
money that we're spending on the education system into the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
From what I've been able to read, Representative Clincy, about
eight other states have done this already or in the
process of doing this. Would you pattern what we wanted
to do here in Utah after those other states that
have already initiated a program like this.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
You know, I've looked at different states and I've heard
from different lawmakers from across the country. But I really
think we've got to take a Utah centric approach. We
have an incredible community supports. I don't believe that exists
in any other states from a religious standpoint. From the nonprofit.
So what we're going to do is build there really

(01:19:00):
a grassroots thing. We're listening to families, We're hearing those stories,
We're doing data. We're looking at the data. How much
has the price of a healthy meal gone up in
rural Utah versus you know, our urban core across the
Wassatch Front. We're going to build a solution that's based
on Utah. We're not going to use, you know, a
state like Maine or whatever the different states are as

(01:19:22):
a model because I think we're so unique.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Stay Representative Tyler Clancy talking about school lunch debt here
in the State of Utah's part of our Listen back
Friday segments on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
K and RS. All Right, still to come. Some professors
have gotten together and now have a petition rallying behind
Donald Trump and mom and dad, are you stressed out?
We'll talk about that as well. That's still to come

(01:19:46):
here on the Rod and Greg show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine kN RS. Conservatives have looked
at higher education in this country and felt, well, you
know where are these kids getting these crazy liberal ideas? Well,
we know where they're coming from. It's thefessors who are
teaching them some of this socialist, Marxist, whatever you want
to call it information at institutions of higher education all

(01:20:07):
around this country. Well, we learned over this week there
is a group of professors from around the country who
are now starting up petition drive to express their support
for one Donald J.

Speaker 11 (01:20:20):
Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Greg and I had a chance to talk with Daniel Klein,
a professor of economics at George Mason University. He is
behind all of this, and I asked him, first of all,
what is he hearing from around the country when it
comes to professors supporting Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
It's a position that's rarely heard from professors. Most professors
favor Democrats over Republicans.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
We think this is a.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
Very important decision to make, Well, g are democrats better
than Republicans or Republicans better than Democrats? And for us
to have a good conversation, we first need to know
where we disagree that we disagree and who to talk
to and then engage. So we're putting ourselves out there,
I suppose you could say. But also we want to

(01:21:04):
normalize saying out loud that we think the Republican is
better than the Democrat and then we do not think
Trump is an exception to that, so we include the
presidential race, of course. So those are some of the reasons,
just trying to like maintain frankness and openness and normalness

(01:21:25):
about saying these things out loud.

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
I give you a lot of credit because I would
compare academia like I don't know, Nazi occupied Paris, you know,
and I like you got to wink and nod and
kind of give yourself the give each other the high
sign that you might agree on something. It seems so
far left. How is it that as you're doing this
petition and you're and I love the goals are to

(01:21:49):
normalize the voices that can actually occur and have diversity
of thought on campus.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:54):
I love having a more amicable atmosphere for students. I
have two kids, one that's graduated with a degree at
University of University and one that's in his third year.
Having a better atmosphere where these ideas can be batted around,
I think is critical to higher education. But how are
you received by your colleagues who where you are certainly

(01:22:16):
in a I would call a micro minority of political
sentiment or philosophy. How are you being received by your colleagues.

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
I'm not in any regular contact with a lot of
my colleagues who would disagree with me. We tend to
kind of separate ourselves, right, and so I wouldn't even
really put this notice, you know, put this initiative in
front of them, or bring it up among colleagues who
generally agree with me, or lean the way I lean.

(01:22:47):
It's varied, but there's a lack of engagement even there,
because I think a lot of people are reluctant to
say it out loud, and they don't really necessarily really like,
I don't know, kind of like facing up to them,
not maybe having the backbone to say it out loud,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Why are they reluctant to get engaged in a conversation
with others who may oppose them? I mean, is it
that difficult on campuses around the country? Do you think
professor to have an open, honest discussion about issues and
whether you agree or disagree with them. Is it that
difficult to do at this point.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
It's definitely very difficult to have an open, honest discussion
even to just air you know that you that you're
going to vote for Trump. I would say that that
can can be a cause for concern, like some people
would feel intimidated or worry about things as a result

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of like saying that out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I yes, yeah, go ahead, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:23:50):
I just don't know where where in academy there is.
There's not enough examples of where the centralization of power
of a government has worked out well for everyday people.
Don't think that there's a lot there. I love some
of the comments of your colleagues, Langbert. I believe that said.
I'm a philosophical liberal or libertarian who believes that, in
Throw's words, the government government is best, which governs least.

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I would think that that just cannot be anathema to
the academic world. But how are these students going to
hear you if it's if it's kind of kind of
siloed like this and you don't really engage, how does
how do how will students feel the amicable atmosphere or
know that there's a battle of ideas and that they
can have different opinions. If the professors aren't really engaging

(01:24:37):
with each other in terms of these, uh, the these worldviews.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
I think they have to find out about it true,
Like you guys, that is true the discourse outside of
the campus, and then like that will maybe point them
back to somebody who happens to be on their campus,
someone sympathetic, and then they might check that person out,
look the person up. I think that's kind of what

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it's come to. I mean, I am engaged in certain
things on my campus, but even the things I'm engaged in,
I don't want to make those two political, and I
don't want to I don't, you know, push this kind
of thing with students, you know, that wouldn't be Yeah,
I mean, I'm open about about my physicians. I believe

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that it's good to disclose where you're coming from with students.
I don't really think that's anti science or anti scholarship
at all. I think, in fact, in a way it's
good scholarship because it alerts your reader of what to
look for in terms of your own biases.

Speaker 12 (01:25:39):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
Yeah, but so, yeah, it's very difficult academia is definitely
a weird place and is very dominantly left wing, without question.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Professor, I understand you started this about in August, maybe
a little bit earlier than that, and the response seems
to be growing. Are you surprised by that?

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
I'm not so surprised. We really haven't gotten it much
off the ground. But in the last week or two
that College Fix article helped, and that was actually reproduced
I think yesterday by zero Hedge. And I don't know
who read zero heads. I mean, they have a lot
of readers, but they're all over the world, I think.

(01:26:25):
So it's kind of hard to get the word out.
It's hard to blast email people.

Speaker 14 (01:26:31):
I don't really want to blast email people.

Speaker 6 (01:26:34):
And it's hard to do nowadays anyway. Stuff just goes
to spam boxes anyway. So it's really good if we
can get the just I think most the vast majority
of people who might be inclined to actually sign this
don't know about it yet.

Speaker 7 (01:26:51):
You know, I went to when I went to university
early nineties here in Utah at Brigham Young University, the
pendulum was the other way. Those that were more liberal
really there wasn't enough room for their thought. I had
my friends that I went to school with, their sister
was an associate professor. We had some incredible debates where

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I lived about, like the Clarence Thomas Confirmation and Anita Hill,
and I found myself learning more, getting my beliefs really
challenged in a significant way. So I say I share
with that. To say, the diversity of thought or the
battle of ideas, it amounts to censorship if you can't

(01:27:32):
have it. How can these students and institutions of higher
learning really understand that there are really good debates to
be had on these fronts, the ones that you bring up.
I mean, I just don't understand how we've got to
a place where we can't have speakers come to campus
that might challenge people's worldview. Is that just is that

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the trend that you see that's just going to continue
to go and grow, or are we gonna see the
pendulum swing back and stuff getting some good debates going
again in our universities.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
I think it's possible for students to take initiative and
produce events, platform their own events, make their own events
where things like that happen. I do think that that
is possible. On the other hand, in terms of the
faculty that is not going to get any less left wing.

(01:28:26):
I mean, it's kind of like hitting the ceiling where
it can't even be more. But you should just expect
it to continue to be rock solid left and never
to improve, I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
As part of our Listen Back Friday presentation and conversation
we had earlier this week with Daniel Klein, professor of
economics at George Mason University. More to come on our
Listen Back Friday segments here on the Rod and Greg
Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kate
and rs Mom and Dad. Are you at a wits
end right now? I mean, summer is over, kids are
back in school, You've got everything you're trying to stay

(01:28:58):
on top of. The schedule is tight, and a lot
of parents are now their wits and what can be
done about it? Well, recently, the Surgeon General of the
United States, Viveck Murphy, wrote an open letter to parents,
who was in The New York Times talking about parents
being at the wits end and what they can do
about it.

Speaker 11 (01:29:15):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
We talked about that recently with Jenny Howe. Jenny as
a therapist, a mental health consultant as well about stressed
out parents, and as we began our conversation with Jenny
asked her what she's hearing from parents out there today.

Speaker 22 (01:29:27):
I think it's probably the most common thing I deal with,
above and beyond even social media, which I know is
another topic that we're just talking more and more about.
But I think the pressure that parents feel right now
to really give their kids like the ultimate life is
at an all time high, and of course that's causing
an incredible amount of stress.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
Jenny, here's my question. You mentioned the ultimate life? What
about when I look at I'm a parent, but my
children are young adults, maybe technically adults in some cases,
but just the cost of living the idea that you know,
I came from a single mom situation, probably lived in poverty,
but I was able to lift myself up and have

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a very different life than the one I was born into.
I look at my children and I fundamentally worry about
their ability to afford a home, have a job that
can you know, provide those things. So is it the
ultimate life or is it just the life that maybe
a lot of Americans have taken for granted up to
this point.

Speaker 22 (01:30:28):
I think a little bit of both. I think that
the pressure that parents feel now culturally in America is
quite different than our parents felt. I come from a
similar history as yours, where parents, you know, we're really
working hard, that also really kind of struggled to make
meet at different times than I myself have been there.

Speaker 12 (01:30:45):
So I do think that.

Speaker 22 (01:30:46):
There is a cultural shift in the way that we
parent our kids. I think we feel a lot more
anxiety and a lot more societal pressure to do things well.
And also I agree with you, I think that the
cost of living is astronomically high, and also I think
that there's a way for our children to be able
to access that at some point, but it plays a role.

(01:31:07):
The economy plays a huge role in our kids feeling
like or I guest parents feeling like they're offering their
kids the best start.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Jenny, Do we want to give our kids too much?
I mean, there's so much out there now and it's
so readily available. It wasn't like that when I was
growing up, and I don't think when Greg was growing
up as well. Do we want to give our children
everything that we can possibly give them? And is that
where some of that pressure is coming from?

Speaker 22 (01:31:30):
One hundred percent Yes, I think that we feel like
we're responsible as parents to provide all of the emotional
you know, spectrum of emotions that our children can have
in life, and really they need to figure those things
out for themselves. I think we've really overcorrected in the
way that we parent. Where we you know, a long
time ago, maybe when we were all kids. Right, we're

(01:31:52):
old now, so we can say that we didn't really
have you know, our parents guiding us and shepherding us
with every single and mis that we had. They kind
of just allowed us to feel our own strength and
our own confidence in our emotional ability and our emotional agility. Really,
and now I think parents really feel a lot of
pressure to kind of overcorrect and to step in and

(01:32:12):
to adjust and to teach. And I think that, you know,
the greatest teacher we have is our own experience, our
own learned experience. And I don't think kids are given
the opportunity to experience feelings as much, which creates a
lack of resiliency as they grow.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
Oh, I so agree with you. My kids, I grew up.
My kids have been raised in draper I call all
three of my children draper soft. They're just draper soft.
These kids they just know, but anyway they turn out. Okay,
let me ask you this. You mentioned this technology and
social media. There's a lot of discussion about this creating
loneliness and isolation, is isolation amongst young people. But I

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would argue, at least from it actually can connect you.
Social media can connect you. When I was young, you
had to have an audibobile to get around to see friends,
or you had to be on the phone and the
wire was connected to the wall. But now with social
media there is ways to connect so broadly. Is it
one or the other? Is it creating people becoming more

(01:33:09):
isolated and lonely or are you able to communicate at
a higher level through technology and social media nowadays?

Speaker 22 (01:33:16):
Well, I am just so glad to hear somebody bring
up that point because I really agree with you. I
think social media has a huge avenue for creating connectedness.
I know, I have a son with special needs, pretty
significant disabilities, and some of the best friends that I
have I've really aligned with over social media and they
help me feel really seen and connected. And also I

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think that the comparison driven that everybody is an expert
kind of mentality that we see on social media can
really make people feel like they need to do things
a certain way in order to be seen and connected
and to be a good parent and to be a
good friend. And I think sometimes when we're innodated with
so much misinformation, quite frankly, it creates kind of this
loneliness where we're like, Man, I'm not like anybody else.

(01:34:01):
I'm not waking up at four thirty am and running
five miles and doing, you know, creating a meal plan
for every day.

Speaker 16 (01:34:07):
I'm just good.

Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
Nice because you sound normal. Sound normal, Jenny, because we're
not crazy waking up at four Thank you.

Speaker 22 (01:34:15):
No, that'll never happen, not in this house.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Let me ask you, Jenny, sometimes, do we do we
lay too much blame on social media? I mean, is
that an easy thing? Oh, it's social media's fault and
not our fault as parents to begin with. Do we
lay the blame too much at the feet of social media?

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:34:33):
I can't tell you how many panels I've spoken on
where I've gone toe to toe with people who will
argue this point. But I think the research is really clear.
The research shows that like, yes, our kids are progressively
getting a little more anxious and depressed. And also we
recognize that, and that's a real part of statistical norms, right,
is the more that we become aware of something, the

(01:34:54):
more that we actually see it and address it and
deal with it. And I think social media plays a role,
and I think it plays a role for people who
are already probably pretty predisposed to be avoidant people. And
that goes you know, people with anxiety and depression are
predisposed to be more avoidant. But the rest of us
that don't have a predisposition to have an actual diagnosis

(01:35:16):
in those areas. I don't see it creating the havoc
that it does. I think it can provide a real,
great opportunity for all of us, myself included, to learn
how to moderate because the gifts that we get through
social media and through the Internet, I think are here
to stay, and I think we need to learn how
to address it without blaming it for the way that
we feel.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
Final question, for me, at least, adversity it's it was.
It was just part of life growing up. It wasn't
something you had the luxury of avoiding or embracing it.
Just adversity just came. Are are our children lacking adversity?
Is adversity now seen as something so bad that you
have to avoid all of that. Where does the role

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what does adversity play in the lives of our emerging workforce?
Are young people growing up? Are they facing that adversity?
Is it there? Have we done too much as helicopter
parents to prevent them from going through adversity? Where's adversity
in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 22 (01:36:13):
Yeah, I think we've really demonized adversity. I think that
we've really labeled a lot of things that are societally
just quite uncomfortable. Dating, you know, asking somebody for their
phone number, going out, you know, with a new friend,
all of those things. We've kind of demonized the discomfort
that we feel to be bad, and discomfort is a
part of everyday living. We have to have discomfort in

(01:36:35):
order to feel joy, right, we have to have both.

Speaker 13 (01:36:37):
Of these opices.

Speaker 22 (01:36:38):
And so I think that's where the adversity piece kind
of kicks into gear there, Like we just think that
it's a bad thing rather than a tool for us
to really recognize the positive things.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Jenny, here's my final question as well. I'm a parent
right now who feels I'm falling short? I'm just not
doing what I need to do as a parent. If
you gave people and imagine there are a lot of
people out there who feel the same way, what bit
of advice would you give to them?

Speaker 22 (01:37:03):
Jenny, I would say, take fifteen minutes for yourself. Go
take a break, Go drive to the gas station and
gravitate cokeer whatever your saying is, and breathe and listen
to some music and just remind yourself that you're an
actual human being as a parent. Right because we stick
ourselves in this role of parent, we forget that we're human,

(01:37:23):
that we're here to exist, and we're here to have joy,
and we're here to have pleasure. And our world doesn't
need to revolve around our children in order to give
them a great life. We need to take care of
ourselves as well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Our conversation earlier with Jenny Howe, she is a therapist
talking about stressed out moms and dads. All right, that
does it for us tonight and for this week here
on the Rowden Greg Show. As we say each and
every night, head off, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family. There's great country of ours. Have an enjoyable,
safe weekend. Everybody. We'll talk to you again on Monday,