The Rod and Greg Show: Make Homelessness illegal; Fluoride in Drinking Water; Dems Double Down on Trans Issues

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm looking at everything. I'm a sponge and i'm looking.
I'm reading. I'm going crazy. Exactly right, thank you E.
Right second, I take the call from you. We have
a pre production called Boom. Get that DOWNE all right.
I'm just gonna keep it on the show. I got
all kinds of stuff. I'm multi facecting. I'm just keep
it with the show. Next thing I do. I'm now

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trying to find in the clips of the things that
topics we've talked about, try to find the ones that
are compressed enough. That's that's three.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Four.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I gotta come. I gotta come here, and I got
to get everything together and get you situated, because you
are a mess when I arrive at the studio. I
got to get you squared away. Getting Rod or Cat
ready for this show is a job in and of itself.
That's just one of my bullet points. Five. Keep all
my equipment up and running. Yep, get it up here,
get it everything running, got my blap topic, got my

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iPad up, I got my phone going. I'm I'm I've
got it all. Okay. That's just five for today. That
wasn't for a week, that was Boom. That five is
just till four o'clock today. Okay, from this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Now, I have a follow up question todays.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Ready.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, were you offended that I asked you that question?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Not at In fact, I was excited to answer it.
I was ready to go.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Obviously you're not a federal employee.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I must not be, because I could. I can go
right now. I could even go beyond that if I
wanted to, But you could.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, how are you? Everybody? It is the Rotting Gregg
Show on this Monday afternoon, beautiful day on the outside.
More of these hopefully are on their way. I'm rod Arquette,
I'm Citizen Greg Hughes, and it's great to be with you.
Of course, we've got a lot coming your way today.
What about making homelessness illegal? Could that be done? We'll
get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's been proffered.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, we'll get into elon musk email ultimatum that the
Democrats are just freaking out about today. We'll get into that.
Get some of your reaction to that. There is a
bill sitting on the Governor's desk that would ban the
use of fluoride in municipal water drinking water. We'll get
into that as well. Also, we'll talk about how the
Dems are doubling down on the trans issues, just to

(02:03):
jam pack fun, exciting, exhilarating show again today.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
It sure is and I can't wait, whether it's right
now or if it's later in the show, Rod when
we talk about all the weeping and railing about Oh,
I've been asked what five things I did in an
entire work week, and how I'm offended I am that
I would do it. I don't think there's any person
gainfully employed in America that could hear the question what
five things have you done this week and would would

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take the kind of offense or be outraged the way
federal employees apparently are. In fact, if I was in
a federal employee and I kept hearing how much waste, fraud,
and abuse there was and I felt like I was
doing a hard job, I'd be excited to tell what
five things or more that I've done and will do,
so that I would not be part of that negative narrative.
Why are they so angry? Americans are not going to fly.

(02:50):
This is not going to fly with the American people.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Because they've never been asked. That's why. I mean, how
many of you who are listening to this program right now,
on your way home tonight, maybe on your way to work.
Have ever undergone a performance review? Happens all the time
in the private sector. We're asking them to give us
a self employee performance review, and they're offended by that. Greg,

(03:13):
give me a I just these guys are so out
of touch.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And the media just wants to just highlight this so much.
Just today alone and the New York Times, it was
announced that Starbucks is laying off eleven hundred corporate employees.
That represents seven percent of their chain's non retail staff
seven percent. I don't hear it. Where's the weeping and whaling.
Where's the where they asked what five things they did
before they were let go? No, they just let them go. Sadly,

(03:40):
joe Annstores five hundred store, the whole, the whole chain
is closing, all of them going out of business sales
in forty states. This will impact joe anstores, including here
in Utah. Just a line, just a headline. Where's the
media's absolute clutching of pearls and and and stories about
how horrible this is? They look at the everyday American

(04:02):
people and their jobs. They lose the lives that they
have interrupted. They could care less. You ask a federal
employee to list five things they've done last week, and
the sky is falling. Yeah, the sky is falling around
us when you ask that. How dare you ask that question?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh dare they? Well, the President is behind what Elon mustud.
You'll hear from the President a little bit later on.
But this story, Greg, the Democrats are just they just
don't get it. First of all, Joy Reid, Okay, let
go from MSNBC, And apparently they're doing a big shuffle
over the programming. Jen Psaki is going to go head

(04:41):
to head with Sean Hannity. Now that could be interesting
to see. Rachel Maddow is going to her shift is
changing a little bit, I mean, and then I see
this story over the weekend when word came out about
Joy Reid that the head of MSNBC wants to even
go more progressive. Okay, have at it, go do it, yep,
it's all up to you, all yours, all yours.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
And there's so many ways of doing it. I mean,
you've got this crazy governor that doesn't want you to
use the word mother anymore. Heaven forbid.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, I wanted to talk about that as well. He's
the governor of Wisconsin, Tony Evers. He's accusations of offending
and erasing mothers when he is backing a bill in
which the word mother would be replaced with a phrase
inseminated person.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, go ahead, go do that. Go go take the
word mother as if it were a curse word out
of your out of your out of your laws, out
of your statutes, out of I mean, just try to
erase the word mother. See how that works for you.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, and that's not all. Let's see recommended that the
term mother be replaced with inseminated person or person inseminated.
You want to make sure that's right. Biological father, biological
father would be called the natural parent, husband with spouse
and male with person among changes. What what does that

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all mean?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Person among changes?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
What does that all mean?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
No, See, it's lunacy. And they And I thought that
the stories I was reading about, you know, still guys
playing girls sports and some of this, I just thought
they were just there was just some hangers on not
accepting the faith that we had moved on. And then
you get this next wave over the weekend of news. No, No,
they're digging in. They're fighting back. Darn it, They're gonna
They're gonna get rid of this word mom mother from

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the from statutes and from the books. They just can't
have it. They want this inseminated description, which I think
is gross. It's not anything else. I just think, Okay, MSNBC,
you get someone who who thinks that's the big kitchen
table issue for America and will come over here and
we'll talk about common sense and how to you know, out, yeah,

(06:44):
get out of Americans way, like give them, let them
keep their money and let them, you know, have the
liberty of self determination. Let's have that conversation a.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Little bit later on in the show. We'll get into
some new polling out that says exactly what you're saying.
Americans are very happy right now with what Donald Trump says.
The way going to back that. Going back to that
Wisconsin story, here are a couple of comments. This is
Scarlett Johnson, she's a Wisconsin Moms for Liberty activist. I
don't know what's wrong with Democrats, she said, I really

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don't why they're willing to throw mothers under the bus.
Just virtual signaling to a bunch of crazy people and
here's Riley Gaines. The thought of being labeled and inseminated
or uninseminated by this creepy makes my stomach turn.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
It's true, it is true. I mean it's a creepy
It is creepy, creepy, and you know, I'm just looking
right now CNN. Another one of their double down moments
is that they're taking this disgrace, you know, for ten
Russia Gate, FBI guy Andrew McCabe, there's they're interviewing them,
what do you think about a cash betel leading the FBI?
And Trump said, what do you think this man's going

(07:48):
to say? Yeah, it's the it's the worst the world
to no one's ever seeing so bad.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
But that's why they want him on to say just that.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Credibility, Yeah, yeah for sure. All Right, Like I said,
we've got a lot to get to today. When we
come back, we're going to be talking about homelessness today
a little bit later on. You know, do you like
the method that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are using,
the methods they're using to reduce the size of government.
And we're talking about, of course, the ultimatum, the email ultimatum.

(08:19):
You better tell us the five things you did this
week or you may not have a job. Yep, we'll
get into that. We'vest some comments from the president also.
John Curtis waited on this yesterday on Faced the Nation.
We'll hear what he has to say a little bit
later on prohibiting fluoride in our drinking water. You you
dealt with this when you were up on He used.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
To be a hot, hot issue. It seemed to be
a slam dunk. This year.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
They people just boom boom passed him. All right, So
we've got a lot to get too. Great to be
with you on this Monday afternoon on the Rod and
Greg Show. Give us a call eight eight eight five
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two fifty and say hey. Rot of course, Greg with
the announcement that Salt Lake said he has a brand
new police chief, not official as of yet. Well, most

(09:03):
likely he'll be approved by the Salt Lake City Council.
You're a big fan of his, that's correct, that's correct
that you're talking about Brian Read.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
That's right, So Brian Read, he's I'm a big fan.
I've worked with him and as he has served in
the Department of Public Safety is the number two guy.
He was running the Department of Corrections as of late,
did great, great work. There some challenges with that at
least within the media and his perspective with the appropriate
their parole board and everything else. It's done a phenomenal

(09:30):
job and I think state lawmakers and the governor have
seen his natural born leadership and so Meyri Menen Hall
has replaced you know, Chief Brown's gone the chief of
police and they've they have she has offered him the
position subject to the approval of the Salt Lake City Council.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And there's some pressure on Salt Lake City from lawmakers
to clean up their act, isn't there.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, And I think that I think that Brian Read
assuming that you can't assume anything with this city council,
but assuming that they approve that higher he will be
an important conduit of communication between the State of Utah
and Salt Lake City. The lawlessness, the urban decay happening
in real time as they're trying to get you know,
see urban renewal and prepare for the Olympics. I think

(10:14):
Brian Red will be a very important piece to make
that successful.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
And the key here is do something about homelessness that
this state and every other state in the country has
been wrestling with for a very very long time.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
As you know, Greg, Yes, we fought shoulder to shoulder
Brian Redd and myself when I was on the clock
as speaker way back when, and he did a phenomenal
job then, and I believe he is. If you're going
to get a shot at getting this right, you're going
to need a leader like Brian Red leading the charge
from Salt Lake City side.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well is there could we end homelessness here in this
community and really around the country by making homelessness illegal?
Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk about that.
It's got Morefield. He's a columnist with town Hall. Scott,
always great to have you on this show. That's a
bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say, Scott, where are
you going with this?

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Well?

Speaker 6 (11:00):
There ought to be a law, right Like, that's the thing.
I mean, that's all you got to do is just
pass the law and it takes care of it.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
So so you know, that's a little.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Click baity, But here's the here, here's what I propose.
All Right, we go back to the way things were
a couple of generations ago, all right, because society back
then did not put up with vagrancy, loitering, drug use
on the streets, people getting assaulted, just all the tent cities,

(11:30):
you know, all the things that is going on now
with the homeless population. And so they didn't put up
with it. So they had alternatives and places that they
had to go if they couldn't, you know, if they
couldn't have a home of their own. And those places
were like you had mentalist asylums, you had rehab this

(11:51):
maybe rehab facilities, you had workhouses. All right, that's a
crazy old concept, but imagine in reinventing the workhouse to
where if somebody could go to Imagine if somebody could
go to a rehab facility, get better, and then go
to a quote unquote workhouse, call it something else, get

(12:12):
some job training and at that job training to learn
how to do welding or something that's useful to society
that would bolster their self esteem, and then be released
into the workforce. So the idea is to make it
not optional to get help. So right now it's too easy,
like they just go into place they get help. But
they get food stamps, they get a draw, they use

(12:35):
that draw for weed that you know, stand on the
street corners do nothing and they're not forced to do
something to better their situation. Well, if we said, hey,
you don't have the right to sleep on the streets.
You can go to jail if you want to sleep
on the street, or you can go here, here, or here,
then it's time to start making forcing people to take

(12:57):
an option that would actually help themselves in society.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know, I'm on board theoretically with what you're talking about.
And there's actually a really really strong at least here
in Utah and where we see the homeless most concentrated
in Salt Lake City, a criminal element that is hand
in glove with this homeless population, and really drug cartels
prey upon and use mules and people to sell heroin

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and other things, and it seems to grow on itself.
Our challenge in Utah is jailbed space we have. It's
harder to get those jail beds that are where we
have capacity. And then there's this there's a concept and
I actually subscribe to it, although it's tough, and that
is people if you have a no loitering law, for instance,
you can't let people can't walk in perpetuity or can't

(13:42):
keep moving in perpetuity. They have to have a place
to stop at some point. What do you say about
the jailbed scarcity? If you have jailbed scarcity, and is
there any obligation where there has to be somewhere where
someone could stop and not loiter. If we were going
to make homelessness illegal.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, you had, well, it's it's interesting in the old
days you had. I don't know if you know the
whole a dealed skid row concept where there's you know,
part of the city where you know, flop palses and
stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
I'm not necessarily advocating for the return of skid row,
but I will say that any real solution to homelessness
needs to come with some state and local investment in
not just a place you know, you're you're not just
a freebie, but an investment in facilities to help them.

(14:34):
So most homeless are addicts or they're mentally ill. That's it, right,
that's the majority of them. Now the working poor.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
That's that's a yeah. And the thing is, the working.

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Poor is a whole different category. You know, the working poor.
I have no issue helping the working poor. You know,
if you're trying, then I have no issue. I served
on the housing board in my area. I mean I
have no issue with you know, public funded housing, helping
w that food stamps, which all those things. But when

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you're not working and you're not contributing, and you're an addict,
or you're a criminal, or you know you're mentally ill,
you need to be in a place for that stuff.
Addicts should be in a rehab facility or prison. Mentally
ill should be in an asylum. And it's just time
for society to start to get hard against those things.
But it will take investment. I mean it's not it's

(15:28):
not gonna be it's not gonna be cheap. But what's
the alternative? Like we're getting inundated. My little town is
getting inundated with it.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Let me ask you this, scutt. I know the Supreme Court.
I think they've ruled that you you have no right
to camp in public property. I think that was the
ruling of the Supreme Court. Are you of any city
that has followed that directed and kick people out of
public places?

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Well, so I live in Bristol and we're on a
state line and versus Tennessee has that. So we have
it to where you're not allowed to camp on pope
with property. I'm not convinced that it's enforced as well
as it should be. But here's the problem. They just
walk over the border and they camp in Bristol, Virginia.

(16:12):
So but if you can enforce some of these kind
of laws and do that that they just need to
basically buckle up and get the guts to do some
of this stuff and enforce some of this stuff, and
you'll see it go. You'll see it start to diminish
because if it's play. Here's the thing, Like it's like
I said in the column, you know what happens when

(16:33):
you feed a raccoon.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
You know, I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
That he's not going to tell his friends that there's.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
More whoe that came from.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
So if if you make it and I'm not saying
people are rack camps, I'm just saying that the analogy
is if you make it easy for them, more are
going to come. So I mean, we built a shelter
in this town, you know, like an a bigger homeless
shelter with free food, all these kind of things, and
guess what, We've got more homeless than we've ever had.

(17:03):
So it's weird how that works, you.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Know, you know, just to just to if liberals are
actually inundated with homeless people, they get really creative themselves.
I went to Venice Beach, where it's really a Democrat
controlled to Los Angeles City and everything else. They put
in the middle of their sidewalks these planters where there
was only enough room on either side of the planners
for a wheelchair to get by. And they used a

(17:25):
DA federal law to say, you can't stay here because
you're blocking the way of a wheelchair. And and so
they themselves found ways to keep the loitering away. So
let's just let's just provide liberals with more opportunities for empathy.
What do you say, they'll.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Fink, there you go, there you go. It's not it's
not empathetic to let people sleep outside like feral animals.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
That is not no empathy.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
But yeah, that's what we're told is empathy, and it's
complete hog losh.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Scott Morefield joining us on our newsmaker line. Scott, thank you.
He's a columnist at town Hall talking about making homelessness illegal,
and I love. I wasn't aware of Greg of the
story in Venice Beach, California. You asked that in the
last question, what they did to stop homelessness in Venice Beach.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
They did. They very smart people, these liberals, and if
you just start, you know, raining on their parade, they
start figuring this stuff out. They didn't even ask. So
then the mayor said, well, you didn't get a permit
to put these in the public way. Well, they really
hammered their city council member to have their back, and
so the city council member was defending the residents because
he was elected. But that's how they stopped the loitering
and they sleeping on the sidewalks is that you had

(18:32):
to have room for these wheelchairs to get by. That's
a federal law. You can't know local ordinance can interrupt that.
And so that's how they did it. Look even Martha's beenard.
Remember when they started taking the these border poor border
states and tinys were going. They said, this was Abbott
and Governor DeSantis, let's send them to the sanctuary for
the Senate vent And they started out so gung ho,

(18:52):
and the pretty soon they're like, you're not leaving this
is a problem. We think there's a problem here. We
can't keep them here. We gave them our our fancy
clothes we don't wear anymore, and they said they won't leave.
There's more coming. All of a sudden, a little bit
of empathy. All of a sudden, all these lips start
figuring out, maybe this isn't a good idea.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
It was so funny to watch them, you know, like
you said, Greg, throw the doors open, welcome. We will
take care of you. We're so ready. And it was
a matter of days where they're going. Uh, we don't
think we want them.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
They haven't left. Fact, they're starting to grow in number.
I don't know what's happening. And all of a sudden
it became someone else's problem. Then it became how dare
you bring them here? How inhumane to bring to us?
It was the fingers started pointing everywhere all over again.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I want to pick up on what Scott said. Maybe
ask our listeners as they're working their way home on
this Onnday afternoon about Scott's idea to end homelessness by
making it illegal.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, it's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I looked, problem solved, the problem.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
We don't have I have a lot of jail bedspace.
We got a lot of people come in a lot
of different kind of crimes. However, I do think that
there are ways to not allow for loitering. If you
allow it, you get more of it. Whatever you're allowing,
whatever you're permitting to have happened, You're gonna get more
of that, which is going the wrong direction. But I
do think that what he talked about, we do have

(20:10):
to have resource centers, not shelters. You cannot wear house
human beings and do it under the banner of compassion.
That is not a compassionate way to treat a human
being is to wear house them and say go stand
over there, we can't see and be uncomfortable by you.
That's not going to work, but we're not going to
enable them either. Now, you've got to have a way
to get people on their feet, and resource centers are

(20:31):
the way to go.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I think, all right, boy, coming, oh, I'm gonna get
your phone calls on this. Should we make homelessness illegal
in this city in this state eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero, triple eight five seven eight
zero one zero. Your calls and comments coming up on
the Rod and Greg show so many different approaches sending homelessness,
and we just can't see if to solve the problem.
And Scott's recommendation is, let's just make it illegal and

(20:54):
you can't be homeless in this country anymore and you
have to get help. What do you think of that idea?
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, Greg,
let's go to the calls.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, let's go to Mike in Salt Lake City. Mike,
Welcome to the Running Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (21:14):
Hey, how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
What's say you about that homelessness? Yes?

Speaker 10 (21:19):
Well, I was homeless about eight years ago and I
got caught up in that Rio Grande, that big thing
where they spend a bunch of money, and I went
to rehab and now I still have a few friends
down there. Actually live in an apartment right down where
I was homeless, and it's pretty much illegal. I don't
know what the law is, but anytime anybody sets up
a tent or anything, they're on them and they make

(21:41):
them leave. But I don't know if they give them
a ticket, but they definitely don't let them stay there.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Mike, how did you get out of homelessness. What did
it take, Mike.

Speaker 11 (21:50):
It took rehabit.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's right. And sometimes they say, Mike, it doesn't stick,
but it did with you.

Speaker 10 (21:58):
It did with me. It was I even got housing.
They got rid of all my charges as long as
I went to drug court. They basically got rid of
all my charges and everything. And I just started working
and keep on my straight you know, sometimes when you're
in the gutter, it just takes a little bit of help.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Man.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Good for you, Mike, And how you doing today. You're
doing all right today? Sounds like it doing great.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, well, you're listening to this show, so I know
you're one of the smartest guys walking because you're all
listen to our program. So good job, Mike.

Speaker 10 (22:30):
Definitely a Trump supporter.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
All right, good man, All right, Mike, congratulations to you.
See Mike picked himself up by his bootstraps.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's right, you know, in that door. That's that's important.
That there's a great programs there that'll sponge felonies off
your record if you do a lot of work and
do a lot to get back, and that's a that's
a motivation and then sent it for a lot of
people to do it.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
All right, we're talking about making homelessness illegal here in
the state of You told him. Back to the phones
as we go. Let's talk with Diane. She's in South
Ogden tonight listening to the Rodin Greag Show.

Speaker 12 (22:57):
Hi Diane, that afternoon, gentlemen. I'm good. I agree with
the other caller. I've never been addicted to drugs, are homeless.
But we already we got enough laws on the books.
We've already it is illegal. You can't set up a
tent in a public place. You can't. It's illegal to
defecate in public It's illegal to defecate in a doorway.

(23:19):
We have all the laws we need. We don't need
any more laws about homelessness. I know we have a
lot of programs for homeless people. We do have a
lot of housing resources. There are even you know, if
you're a homeless veteran and you're not clean, it used
to be that you couldn't get housing while you were
not clean. That has been changed. They will house you

(23:42):
while you're working through So I don't think any more laws.
That's not the direction to.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Go, Diane. Do do you by the sounds of me,
you're saying, we just need to enforce the laws on
the books. If we did that, that would solve that.
That would be a step in the right direction. Is
that what you're saying, Diane.

Speaker 12 (24:00):
Yeah, step in the right direction. I don't think it's
going to solve it. Somebody has to be the compassionate
adult in the room. Somebody has got to really start
making this happen. We've got to quit accepting people from
Jackson Hole and Phoenix and whatever. We've got to empower
the police. I don't have the plan. I'm not an

(24:20):
elected city official. It seems to me that the elected
city officials need to get on the ball and get
a plan going.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
All right, Diane, you make some very good points. Thank you.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. On
your cell phone dial pound two fifteen, say hey, Rod, I.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Want to say too that one of the laws that
I see ignored, and it was passed when I was
on the clock in the state legislature, and that is
the panhandling you see on state road. So when you
come off of a major freeway or the major road
and it has an off ramp, if you see someone
that's panhandling there, that those off ramps were not designed
to have transaction between out of the windows with anyone,

(24:56):
and that includes even like when we used to have
the boots and the firefighters, she should do it. The
law is that you cannot transact at those intersections because
it's not safe.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, it's dangerous.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And so if you see that happening right now, any city,
county share, city police officer or county share for Howie
patrol can remove those people. They're they're breaking the law.
So that should we aren't enforcing it because correct and missed.
All the time we get off twenty first South, get
on Woodwood Road, they're almost daily somebody is there and

(25:25):
that's and that's simply an example of the law not
being forced. Let's go back to the phones. Let's talk
to Dane, who's from roy Dane, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 13 (25:35):
Hey, thanks for having me. My my feelings on this is,
I mean, I got a lot of different buildings. There
are aspects of taking away freedoms that conservatives don't like,
and then there are other aspects of you know, keeping
places clean. But the problem I have is that you
want to make a law against homelessness, you have to

(25:57):
define homelessness and that goes anywhere from a sleeping bag
being a being a smaller tent, and then a bigger
tent being a you know, closer to a camper on
a truck, and then that being closer to a motor home.
And you know which one is homeless.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
The one that's closest to your house. And that's what
it ends up being people who don't want their neighborhoods
run over by this stuff. That's it. Really does you
be shocked, Dane, how quickly that definition applies. People in
the abstract seem to have a lot of opinions about homelessness,
but as soon as it's in their their neighborhood or
the route that their children may take to school or

(26:34):
anything like that, they the opinions begin to change, and
so do definitions.

Speaker 13 (26:38):
Right, And I agree with John that my thing is
that having a good definition of what that means is
important if you're going to try.

Speaker 14 (26:46):
And make a love.

Speaker 13 (26:47):
The second thing is the aspects of homelessness, like what
you're talking about, like loitering in areas that they shouldn't,
being careful for your children around schools. Don't you don't
have a brain, and don't do that kind of stuff
that you're going to be homeless, and.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's your choice.

Speaker 13 (27:03):
So I say the aspects are the ones that are
most you know, the low hanging through as far as
making laws. But the affect of making so many laws,
if we law everything out of freedom, is also got
to be got to be careful.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yep, yeah, you sure do, Dane. Thank you, appreciate your
very thoughtful coming.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I hear it.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, and I think the definitions do have to be there,
and I think, but to the other callers points, we
do have some butt laws on the books that are
just flat out being ignored, and I've shared examples of
that right now.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's right, all right, more coming up, more your phone calls.
As we talked about making homelessness illegal in the state
of Utah. Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero, give us a call right now. We're telling
you about making homelessness illegally in this country and arresting
people if they're caught out on the streets. What do

(27:53):
you think of this idea? John in Salt Lake City
wants to weigh in tonight, John, how are you? Thanks
so much for joining us.

Speaker 14 (28:01):
Thanks for letting me on. Hey, I just want to
I just want to say I'm from Seattle, and it's
interesting how other cities deal with it. You know, Seattle
has such a I mean, you think Fat Lake's got
a problem, you need to go to Seattle. No, Well,
the city government is actually you know, they're allowed to

(28:21):
carry so much heroin on them and use it in public.
They're not. They don't let the police are anymore. A
lot of police officers have quit and just they've left it.
They've left the city. You know, it used to be
a great place to go, you know, go take vacation
and be a tourist. It's not at all anymore. It's
really changed. And it's just interesting how we're talking about
outlining it. But on the other hand, up in Seattle,

(28:43):
they're totally catering to them. They're just didn't forget it,
you guys, we give up.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
You know, John, I lived in Seattle for about four
or five years several years ago, and you know, you
could walk down to a restaurant in the downtown area
and I remember one occasion got being hit up twice
to buy some crack. I mean, and I thought it
was bad. Then you say it's even worse now.

Speaker 14 (29:05):
Well, you mean that a few years ago that local
TV station up there put a video together called Seattle
is Dying and they addressed the whole problem. Yea, and
what's really happening. You need to you guys need to
pull that up and watch it. It's fascinating. Yes, yeah,
I remember we have nothing going on here like a
huge level. We do have a big problem.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, thank you, John, And uh I I know
the people are involved in that putting that, uh that
documentary together about Seattle is Dying and it was eye opening,
great it is.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And and here's one of the other wrinkles in all this.
You have you have people that are self medicating. They
they they're homeless, They they're pretty miserable. You have cartels
that prey upon that to help sell their drugs. There's
a big money maker there. The cartels are way more
organized than you'd want to believe. That we've we learned.
But then you have what we call the shelter resistant,
meaning people that are so have been so mentally damaged

(29:57):
by prolonged homelessness and drug use and everything else that
they're just not they can even have money in their pocket,
but they don't want to seek refuge, and they could
die of exposure in the extreme cold. Vivek Ramaswami is
running for governor in Ohio, gave a speech today and
he touched on a very sensitive issue, which has everything
to do about these shelter resistant people that are not

(30:20):
mentally well, that we are going to bring back.

Speaker 15 (30:25):
The psychiatric institutions that were wrongfully shuddered.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
This is a touchy subject, but I'm going to go there.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I'm going to go there because it's the right place
to go. It's important.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Our jails can no longer be the first line of
psychiatric care in this state. That is not compassion, that
is cruelty to everyone involved, and we're going to put
an end to it. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Interesting boy. And this is a controversy because I remember
years ago, Greg, when these shelters or centers started shutting down.
The theme was we need to mainstream these people, put
them back into every day life. And it just hasn't worked. No, Yeah,
it's gotten worse. And they're counting up to six hundred
thousand people in America across the country that are homeless

(31:09):
or walking around. And I'm telling you, I've seen things
that it's just not humane and it's not actually, it's
so beneath the human dignity of just a person, and
they're what they've resorted to. There needs to be psychiatric help,
and people call them insane asylums. They've called them a
bunch of different names there. But the jails being already overcrowded,

(31:29):
and that's because you've done this catch and release and
you've ignored crime for so long. Eventually the crime just
goes to where there's places where they don't enforce it,
where then you have to force it at some point,
and that's where you get this jail over crowded. Well,
that's where we are in Salt Lake County, Salt Lake City,
and so the jails are full and they can't there's
no ability to take care or to even address.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Some of the homelessness we're talking about today.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
All Right, more coming up our number two of the
Rod and Greg Show with you on this Monday afternoon.
When we come back, we'll let you hear what the
President thinks of Alan's musk idea when it comes to
emailing the things that you've done this week during up
the demths are freaking out. We'll let you hear that
as well. Coming up, stay with us another week of
excellence in broadcasting.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Right, We've got so much to do. Look, every single
day we are just Bob and Weaven. We're just pivoting,
We're moving. It's just there's just so much to cover.
And you when have we ever said that about Washington
d C. I'd say never. We've never seen this, that
Washington move so fast nobody can keep up with them.
Now I'm just reading something over the wire that even

(32:32):
even Trump's own department heads, the cabinet members are like, well,
I don't know if we want our employees to answer
Musk's question, Jess, are you kidding me of it? It's
a five question, five list five things is This isn't
a this isn't a riddle. It's not We're not asking
you to solve the Da Vinci Code. Here, answer five
things you did last week.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I let me tell you, those of you who are
in the private sector. I think we've got about heard
today about thirty three thousand federal employees here in the state.
You tah okay, But those of you who are in
the private sector, how often have you gone through a
performance review or had to justify what you do to
the company, the company that you work for. It is
a daily occurrence in the private sector. So what's wrong

(33:15):
with asking federal employees to do the same thing, Especially
it's not at all, it's not going to hurt them,
I don't guess.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Especially when there's worried that some federal employees are these
like no show jobs that no one's actually working in.
There's a lot that can be discovered that way. And
I just I think any hard working American when they
find out that the big offense, the big I can't
believe it. I'm so outraged. I'm absolutely infuriated. Quote from

(33:42):
a federal worker is that you were asked on a Saturday,
what five things did you do last week? And that
is that's the big cardinal sin there. Show me American
worker that have any sympathy for that. I don't.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, let's know what Donald Trump had to say is
a few hours ago he was in a White House
meeting with the French President Macron and he was asked
about the email that Elon Musk sent out over the weekend.

Speaker 16 (34:05):
I thought it was great because we have people that
don't show up to work and nobody even knows if
they work for the government.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
So by asking the question, tell.

Speaker 16 (34:13):
Us what you did this week, what he's doing is
saying are you actually working? And then if you don't answer,
like you're sort of semi fired or you're fired because
a lot of people are not answering because they don't
even exist. They're trying to find that's how badly various
parts of our government were run by it, especially by
this last group. So what they're doing is they're trying

(34:36):
to find out who's working.

Speaker 17 (34:37):
For the government.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Are we paying other people that aren't working? And you know,
where's all that? Where's the money?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Gun?

Speaker 16 (34:44):
We have found hundreds of billions of dollars a fraud
so far.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I tell you what, Greg the government is so fast?
What do they have three point one million employees right now?
I mean, I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk are
just trying to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, let me just tell you this. I'll go back
to the New York Times story that broke today that
Starbucks is laying off eleven hundred corporate employees, seven percent
of their chain's non retail staff. They didn't get to
five what'd you do? Five things that you do this week? Question,
they just got laid off? Yeah, okay, they just got
And then if you work at joe Anne's or if
you're a patron at a joe Anne's store, you just

(35:22):
found out today they're all gone. They're all going out
of business today. Where's you know? All they talk about?
This is so callous, this is careless, it's irresponsible. Talk
about the people getting laid off in corporate America or
any kind of job. Talk about the businesses over five
hundred of them in forty states getting closed today, That
just came out of the blue. Where's again this disproportionate

(35:43):
care for federal workers at taxpayer expense that we just
like to know exists or what you actually did? Then
I ain't getting laid off at this point, they're just
being asked, what'd you do? And it is what We're
all just clutching pearls and we can't believe how root
it is. I got a clip here of a federal worker.
She's a young and this young lady doesn't look like
she's worked at a job for more than a couple weeks.

(36:04):
She looks so young. This has to be like her
first job out of school. Listen to this first.

Speaker 12 (36:09):
Just tell us about this email and what it was
like receiving it and what you all have talked about
after getting it.

Speaker 18 (36:19):
Sure, I got this email Saturday afternoon, about three pm,
and I felt absolutely infuriated getting this email with a
demand within forty eight hours to provide a response and
what I did within the last week or face termination.
This is clearly an attempt from Elon Musk to harass

(36:42):
and bully and intimidate the federal workforce, which is part
of his broader plan to gut the federal workforce and
privatize public sector services to ensure that corporations like his
own can get more profit. And that makes me really
angry be my coworkers as well.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Wow, it's not. First off, no one's trying to get
her job because she doesn't have a job. Apparently, because
the one thing I said at the beginning of this
program is if I was a federal worker and I
was reading these narratives that the federal workers aren't working,
they're not showing up at work, they're not and I
knew that I was working my guts out. Man, ask
me what I'm doing, I'm happy to tell you. I

(37:23):
can't wait to tell you because I want someone to
know I'm not in that category. If I'm really working
hard and I'm making a difference, give it's a gift.
Put a bow on it that I get to tell
you what I did five things, I'll give you twenty.
How about that? But no, they're just infuriated and this
ultimatum off forty eight hours. Go back to these companies
that have layoffs that you find out in real time

(37:44):
you've been laid off. You get zero runway for that.
Find out that five hundred stores get closed that you
didn't know was coming on Friday and now it's Monday.
You learn this, what universe do these people live in?
And it's our taxpayer dollars funding this person who's crying
about being asked five things she did? This, this intimidation
and all the negative narratives with it, it just will

(38:05):
not sell with the American people. In my opinion. This
is just proof that this whole thing has gone awry
in ways we probably didn't even appreciate.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, well, and here is Utah Centator John Curtis face
the nation yesterday. Of course, the email came out Saturday night.
John Curtis was asked to weigh in on him weigh
in on what he thinks, you know, Elon Musk and
Donald Trump had been doing.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
If I could say one thing to Elon Musket's like,
please put a dose of compassion in this. These are
real people, These are real lives, these are mortgages. It's
a false narrative to say we have to cut and
you have to be cruel to do it as well.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
We can do both.

Speaker 12 (38:48):
It's not just about efficiency though.

Speaker 19 (38:51):
I mean, the President himself has characterized this as getting
rid of bad people.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
You know, I regret that narrative.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
We all know, you know, thousands millions of federal workers
who are good people who work hard. But the reality
of it is we have three million federal workers. Not
all of them do Many aren't coming to work in
my business working from home.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Working from home?

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Was hope they're working for home. We don't know. That's
why the email, what are you doing? It's not unusual
in a corporate setting to have people report and explain
what they're doing, especially if they're working from home. So
I don't think this is a request. Is that difficult?
I would ask my employees to let me know what
they're doing.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
You know, it's a tough world out there, Greg and
those of us in the private sector. I mean this company, iHeartRadio.
It's gone through a series of changes over the years,
ever since I've been here, which is fifteen years now,
and before that working for other broadcast companies. This is
a part of business and it's a tough part. It's
not pleasant to do, but sometimes you just have to

(39:53):
do it. You're responsible for keeping the business going.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
This selective logic that's applied to these federal workers O
where it is just can we have some compassion?

Speaker 17 (40:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Going back to this company of Starbucks, this the new
CEO had the company was failing. He had to do
something to start turning around profits. He had to do
something to cost cut. Seven percent of their of their
non retail staff are laid off today. Were they bad people?
Was it not compassionate? Is this is the person that
laid off seven percent of the non retail staff. Is
that a bad person? Did they lack compassion? The five

(40:26):
hundred stores that were announced today from Joants? That was
that an issue of compassion or is that the reality
of trying to Yeah, of you know what, the math
doesn't work, the business doesn't work, There's nothing compassionate. If
we wake up one day at a two trillion dollars
in counting deficit spending a year and we don't have

(40:46):
an economy, you want to talk about compassion. Let this
keep going the way it's going. And if it and
if going quickly is a problem, I don't know what
time any of these people think we have to just
to be leisurely about this pace.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
And how many times times have politicians in the past,
like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. We need to cut
government spending, we need to trim the bureaucracy. Yeah, it's
been lip surface. Sorry, we want to get your phone
calls on this. Eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero.
Let's go to Jeff in West Jordan and see what
he has to say about this. Jeff, do you like

(41:21):
the way that Donald Trump and he Elon Musk are
going about cutting the federal workforce?

Speaker 7 (41:27):
I absolutely love it, love it, love it. So I
love what you guys are talking about. So this side
thing is an absolute joke. So my company, I have
to do this daily. We call it our daily stand up.
I have to go and report to as our leadership
team talk about what my priorities are that day, what
I'm going to work on, and if I have any

(41:49):
blockers that are going to prevent me from doing it,
and what I'm going to do to overcome those so
I can accomplish what I need.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
To get done? Is that a timidation factor? Fire by
such a things?

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Jeff?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Is this is this just a word? Is your sky
falling right now?

Speaker 7 (42:05):
Oh my gosh, it's the worsteeing the world. No, it's
called being accountable to the business that you work for.
I don't own the business. I work for the business.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, Jeff. And there are millions of
others just like you out there. That's why we want
to hear from you tonight. Eight eight eight five seven
oh eight zero one zero. The Dems, the federal employees
freaking out about the questions being asked by Elon Musk,
agree or disagree with them? Eight eight eight five seven
oh eight zero one zero on your cell phone, I'll

(42:35):
pound two fifty and say hey, run talk.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Radio one O five nine can arrests everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. If you don't have that, I don't know why.
By now, I mean we've been just We've been just
heralding how great this sapp is.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
And it is great, by the way, it's pulling your leg.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Get it. You don't have to be in the car.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't have a radio transit. I don't have a
radio sitting on my kitchen counter anymore. I need I
need the the app.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Do you want me to buy one? We're in this business.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I got the app, I got a Bluetooth speaker. I'm
loaded for bear. I'm ready to go.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
All right, Well, if you're just joining us now, we're
talking about Elon Musk and his ultimatum over the weekend.
It was sent in an email to all federal workers
to basically list the five bullet points something that you've
done in the past few weeks. And a lot of
people are very upset with this, including the Democrats, some
of the federal workers. We haven't heard from a federal

(43:26):
worker yet, but I think we've got one on the
line now. His name is Jeff in Logan. Tonight, Jeff,
how are you welcome to the Rodding Greg Show. What
are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 7 (43:33):
Jeff?

Speaker 20 (43:37):
You know, I got the email and I don't really
have a problem with it me. It's fairly simple to
come up with five bullet points and things I accomplished
last week, and I'm happy to share that.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I'm so glad you called not being said, well, thank
you truly go ahead.

Speaker 20 (43:55):
You know, I like, I agree with the goals of
the administration. I do think that the implementation is poorly
executed in what they're trying to accomplish. And you know,
I work with a number of other federal employees that
are concerned with some of the the way the emails

(44:16):
are coming out, and it does feel like a little
bit of a power struggle, and so it's I think
there are a lot of people that are hurt by it,
but it's it's a very strange time, and I think
the way it's being rolled out is very weird.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Jeff, how would you have done it differently? Because you know,
politicians from you know, decades ago, promise to reduce the
size of government, get rid of weights. They never did it.
This time something is being done. How would you do
it differently?

Speaker 20 (44:47):
I don't know if how I would do it. I
don't know if there's a different way I would do it.
But I think the way it's being communicated is very challenging. Okay,
because the communications are all coming through the Office of
Personnel Management. But you might work for the Army, you
might work for the Air Force, you might work for
the irs, and that communication isn't coming through that leadership structure,

(45:11):
and so it becomes That's why I think there's a
power struggle, because the Office of Personnel Management sends out information,
but then the Army or you know, whatever department you
work for is saying, hold on a second, that may
not be what we're going to do, so just wait
and sit tight. Well, but there being a timeline to that,
it makes it very challenging, and that's where I think

(45:33):
there might be a little bit of a power struggle.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
All right, Jeff, good call.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Thanks great, great perspective. Yes he's ready to go. He
has got his five ry to rattle it off as
a good listener and smartest listening audience on all the land.
Let's go to Clyde, who's on I fifteen. Thank you
for holding in. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
What do you say about the whole five things you
did last week? In answering back this email.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
Well, I don't see a problem with that. I spent
many years in the private sector as well as owning
my own businesses. I'm currently with the federal government and
answering what you did is not an issue the implementation.
I agree with that they've bypassed completely the management. So

(46:18):
in our office, hold our manager accountable, have him work
with the people to increase their productivity. Don't bypass every
level and go right down to the beginning to the
bottom lieleil and say what.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Do you do?

Speaker 8 (46:36):
Because then you end up with conflict with your.

Speaker 14 (46:38):
Management with.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
The management over them, and it becomes a power struggle.
Like the last listener had said. So it's just it's
the way it's being implemented, the shock and awe aspect
of it that's really problematic.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, I appreciate the perspective. It's similar to a federal
employee that our last caller. But what about to the
question of if there's these no show jobs or there's
actually people that aren't on the other end of these emails.
Management might not want to herald that, They might not
want to point that out that that's been going on
for some time. Is there anything good? Is there anything
productive about pinging back from those employees to make sure

(47:20):
they're actually employees that are there that work for the government.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
Well, I think that you've got the federal workforce roster right.
And so if again back to the management structure, if
the managers are held the task to say, okay, give
me a status of all of the employees that you oversee.
If they can't do that, then they're the ones that

(47:49):
need to go because they should know what their people
are doing.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
All right, let's see where you're coming from on that
one client. The questions are not so much about what
Musk is ask Greg so far, but two of our
callers say it simply comes down to the implementation of it.
I think it was our last caller just mentioned shakanah.
But maybe this thing is so big that's the only
way to tackle it. This is shakanah.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I don't want the manager to have to report. I
think every play should. But but to their to the
caller's point, the managers should know that emails coming and
then should have the sign up. And I don't know
why they wouldn't. They should probably know ahead of time.
Let's go to Jean in Salt Lake City. Jean, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Ron and Greg show.

Speaker 17 (48:30):
Hi, I had an employee that didn't seem to be
doing their job, and so I moved them under a
different manager that I felt would do a better job
of tracking them and motivating them. And the day that
she became her supervisor, she's complained that he was asking

(48:55):
her what she was doing, and so she went to
human resources and told them that he was sexually harassing her.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
So that she wouldn't have to work for him.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Wow.

Speaker 17 (49:08):
And when HR asked, well, why do you say that
he's sexually harassing you? How's that happening, she said she
couldn't get any specific thing. She said, well, I just
feel that way. Anyway, to protect the manager, I moved
her under a different manager who was a female so

(49:33):
that that whole thing wouldn't get tangled up, and somehow
get the supervisor in trouble in trouble just because he
was trying to get her to work. And so anyway,
about a couple of weeks later she quit and went
somewhere else. So I guess all in all, it worked out.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, it sounds like it did. Jeane, Thank you for
sharing that story with us. All Right, more coming up
on the Roden Greg Show. We'll get a news update
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Speaker 1 (50:24):
And with that, let's go back to the smartest listening
audience and all the land. Let's go to Anthony, who's
been patiently waiting and Davis County. Anthony, Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (50:35):
Hello, Robin, Greg. The plight of these federal employees are
following on dead fears with me. For me to keep
my job, I have to pass the security clearance, do
annual trainings, and I had to get a JAB and
it was all put in place by federal employees. So
I just don't feel bad for him at all. The
half of writing email.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
You know, that is such a good point. So these
federal employees that are just squawking, and it's just absolutely apoplectic.
They have to fill out an email saying, what are
the five things you've done they've put you through. You
had to get a job, you had to go through
security clearance and everything else, and they that as per
their requirements.

Speaker 11 (51:11):
Yeah, yeah, and so I just I just I wish
I only had to fill out a five minute email.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
We appreciate that. Let's go up to the Cash Valley
and uh talk with Joey. Did I hear on the
rod In Greg Show? Hi, Joey, how are.

Speaker 19 (51:30):
You all right?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Good?

Speaker 12 (51:33):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, I'm like the last caller. I don't have as
much sympathy either in terms of because it's something that
our country needs, and I just want to share an experience.
Yesterday in church, we had a visitor come and uh
he I think he works for the nih AS, like
a I think you said, an epidemiologist, intelligence something or
the other. But he also went on to describe a

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little bit later that he also has two other jobs
in Utah that he comes back for. I think one
was in Utah Valley maybe, but there's a chief medical
officer or something of some group. And then I don't
remember what the second one was, but you know, if
you have all this time to be coming back and
forth and all that, how much time is he actually
spending in that federal role to where you know, you

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hear these other comments of some other folks where it
doesn't sound like they have much work going on, Well,
how many employees could you get rid of and create
one full time job instead of ten part time jobs
where there's not much you know, efficiency in the workforce
is going on.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Absolutely, And here's the thing, and and enjoy you're hitting
the nail on the head. This isn't a nice to have,
This isn't wouldn't we just run a better country if
we just were a little more efficient. We are running
a two plus trillion dollar a year debt deficit. It's unsustainable.
We know that there is a financial fiscal crisis that
is heading our way like a freight train. How could

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we not be acting quickly? How can we not have
a pace to this? And saying absolutely, it's essential, it's
it's it's not compassionate to pretend that we have time
we don't have.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
So I agree it's hard for a lot of these people,
but the accountability has to be there. And because it
is it's crucial. We're at a tipping point in our
country and we have to get you know, all of
that out and be more lean and mean in the government.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We sure do, and and that's the big task. He
hit the nail right on the head, Greg, I mean,
we are so big, we're so far in debt, sooner
or later it is going to catch up to us.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Confuses me is that, you know nobody wanted the programs
themselves cut. I mean even Senator Curtis is saying we
got to have entitlement reform. Well, he's talking about cutting
Social Security, and he's talking about some of these things
that you can be accused of being not compassionate by cutting.
What if it's the case there's so much waste, fraud,
and abuse, you could cut that deficit in half just

(53:55):
by getting rid of the no show jobs and all
the waste that's out there. I would think we'd be
embracing that before you start cutting into people's programs.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Well, where do you think the whaling and national teeth
is coming from? Greg? Is coming from inside the beltway, right,
And we mentioned these numbers before in the twenty twenty election,
Federal workers inside the Beltway, ninety two point one percent
voted for Kamala Harris. Ninety two point one percent voted
for Kamala Harris. And the district, which is the home

(54:26):
of the federal government, is a single party jurisdiction. It
has voted ninety plus for Democrats for Presidents Greg in
the last twenty years.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, it's it's a cottage industry. If there's a cottage
industry there, just they print money for themselves and we're
expected to pay. Let's go to Jeff and another color
of Jeff and Payson. Jeff, thank you for calling the
Rod and Greg show. What's say you, sir?

Speaker 7 (54:52):
I love what they're doing in if the head of
this state Elon and the president. I work by a
piece worker, and so I get paid by the basically
the minute, the hour, however you want to call it.
If at the end of the day, I can't tell
you what I did all day, piece by piece, I

(55:12):
don't get paid period. And so these guys that are
calling up saying all crying about happen to report what
they did, kind of generalize what they did during the week.
If I could do that, that would be great. So
I don't do them.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, There are a lot of people out there who
I think, you know, common sense, fair minded Americans are
looking at this saying the government is too big, they
have got to trim down. And then, you know, if
it's shocking off, it's shocking off. Yeah, if it has
to be, it has to be.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
This this narrative of how dare you ask what we do?
It's just never going to fly with the American people,
and even to those our good callers who have federal
jobs and say, well, their manager, their supervisors didn't know.
We had a supervisor who said employees can use that
against them. Having it come from a little higher up
might be a better way to be asked. I think
communication obviously has to be strong, but I wouldn't let

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it stop me for twenty minutes. I would give the
heads up, we're coming, we're asking, and I don't know
who would ever object. You don't have to give credit,
you don't have to give classified information, you don't have
to give information that's not you just describe what you do.
And they're just trying to reject the notion completely, which
is the American people will reject that protest and let

(56:30):
the left and let the you know, the excuse makers
try to defend that we don't live in that world, don't.
We live by a far different level of accountability.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Let me share with you Greg a personal story. And
I've talked about that broadcast industry is all over the
place right. Yes, years ago, I was working at a
radio station. As a matter of fact, here in Salt
Lake City, new ownership came in. Guess what what fired everybody? Yeah,
they fired everybody.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Well it was a New York Times appalled. No, did
you have politicians saying be a little more compassionate?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
They called and asked me what I thought? No, I mean,
this is what happens, folks. This is real life in America.
And we have got Donald Trump has been saying this
for how long? You know, the swamp is too big.
We don't have any idea of what's going on in
the swamp. Well, finally he's got somebody who's willing to
get in there and take a look at things. And
it ain't pretty. I don't know how else you describe it.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And they can keep crying about five questions in an email,
but they're doing it in the face of what people
have been living through over the last four years, where
the inflation is run away, the basic needs, they've been
not been able to afford their jobs, themselves have been
in peril, and so it's just not going to fly
with the American people. I was asked five questions of

(57:44):
what I did last week? How could this ever happen
to us? We're being bullied. You're just showing that you
are so unbelievably disconnected from this country. And it's the
reason why we face the fiscal crisis that we do.
It just has to turn around.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
You know what the average wages for federal employees now
what one hundred forty four thousand dollars salary and benefits
one hundred forty four thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, you know it's it's it doesn't And so think
about that. If you lose a job in the federal government,
what private sector job could just pick you up? Yeah,
you can't, because they just price themselves out of the market.
They need that no show job they have.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Let's go to Jim and salt Lake Sey. Jim wants
to weigh in on this tonight. Jim, how are you
welcome to the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah. One man said that if government or the citizens
of a country could vote themselves a raise. That's when
you have real, real problems, because these people don't care
about anybody else but themselves. All they care about is
the money that they're getting for sitting at home and

(58:52):
not working. The thirty seven trillion dollar deficit tells a
that they don't care at all. Yeah, the deficit causes
us to spend more money on the interest payment than
we do on defense each year. It is just sickening

(59:16):
what these people think and how they think.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, sure is Jim, appreciate your fund.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
It's unsustainable. It's not just that it's the wrong way
to do it, it's a way you can't keep doing it.
It can't keep going this way.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Did you see that video that the UH the new
head of the Small Business Administration, Kelly Loffler, posted on Friday.
Here she is in this massive office space right first down.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
The job stands there.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
There's nobody there. There's not a soul there.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
They had these they had these monitors, three monitors touched together,
and a cubicle.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
No one in there, no one in there, and the
entire officehour was empty. That's what we're facing, folks. All right,
more of your calls and comments coming up right here
on the Rod and Greg Show on this Monday afternoon
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine kN rs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
That's what it would be called.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
You love playing off these, don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I just racked my brain in real time.

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
It's very spontaneous. I had no idea what I'm about
to say.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I didn't realize you thought during this show, but apparently
you are thinking a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I'm very contemplative, are you, Yes, very much so. But
this one's got me fired up. Five email questions what
you did the last week? I just I love, I
totally respect the observations of our two great listeners, who
are also federal employees, who basically don't sweat the question
at all. But they said it'd be good of their
Their supervisors knew about it. Okay, great, I'm with them there,

(01:00:33):
but I think that's a very quick heads up. And
then just let those emails fly and let's see the
responses back. It should absolutely be a no brainer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Let me compliment you on one thing that you noticed
I was trying to sneeze. I did, and I had
to turn off my microphone and you just kept on going.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I'm real professional.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Thank you for noticing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I'm nimble.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I'm learning. I'm learning from the best I am. I
know this all right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
You know, I think there's one thing we should do, Greg,
is all this going on right now, is we need
to caution people out there. Don't overreact when town hall
meetings are held, and you know, these congressmen are attacked
by people who don't like what Donald Trump and Elon
Musk are doing. I mean, you're going to see and

(01:01:17):
I think it's already happened in Georgia, but it could
happen here in the state of Utah, depending on what
Utah lawmaker decides to hold the town meeting. But you're
going to have very angry people at those town hall meetings, Greg.
But let me tell you what. Let me caution you.
Oftentimes activists, fake players are put into those town halls.

(01:01:37):
The word goes out to people, Hey, town hall, let's
get in there and flood it and let them know
how we feel. So don't overreact when you see people
getting upset at town hall meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I will connect a couple dots. We have our the
data Republican who came on our program, who she has
created this incredible search engine from all the publicly available
information on how much federal money is being just shuttled
to not so called nonprofits NGOs. All of this know
this this whole There's there is a cost, there is
an industry and a way to make a living protesting.

(01:02:11):
They have enough money that they can go and they
can get their rent to rent a protesters out there
on any issue. And they are trying to create a
perception right now that people are just outraged that you
would actually cut government or that you would do any
of this. None of this is true. This is this
is astro turf grassroots. Okay, this is not real. Okay,
this is this is absolutely contrived, and it's really funded

(01:02:31):
by and fueled by the people that don't want to
lose this money. The NGOs have been getting this gravy
train of federal money for how long. This is their
last stand. They're trying to fill these town hall meetings,
even with state lawmakers. This weekend. I heard some of
them got a little route. Really really, these aren't people
that that people had seen in their neighborhoods before. These
are these are the rent to protesters they're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Of course, there are their plans and they're there to
attack and to make everybody feel that Donald Trump and
Elon Musk are ruining this country. That's not the case.
Matter of fact, there is a new poll out by
I think it was who was a Harvard Harris Pole
reveals a majority of people in this country are really
backing Donald Trump and his actions to bring much needier

(01:03:13):
reforms to make America great again. I mean, look at
some of these numbers. Eighty one percent GREG support deporting
criminal immigrants, Seventy six percent support a full scale effort
to find and eliminate fraud and waste in the government.
Almost eight out of ten Americans GREG support this effort

(01:03:34):
on the part of Donald Trump and Elon Musk to
get rid of the fraud, get rid of the get
rid of the waste in the federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, in your quoting from a Harvard Caps Harris Pole,
And so you know, Harvard is supposed to be left
of center, it's supposed to be radicalizing every kid that
enters that campus. But the numbers that the percentages of
people find me seventy percent that say that hiring should
be based on merit and objective out evaluation find me
seventy percent of Americans agree on much of anything that

(01:04:02):
they agree on that, yeah, sixty seven on us detch
is unsustainable, agree on that these are not partisan issues
once you get up into those types, those high of percentages,
those are Americans who are seeing this country are circumstances
the same. And it's the Democrats who insist on being
on the wrong side of this. And I just I
hope that people just keep tracking this the way they are.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Well, and you read this Greg, this again from I'll
read just from the study, most Americans approve of President
Trump's job performance, including pluralities of men, women, independents, and
Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas. As
a matter of fact, while six in ten say that
Donald Trump is doing a better job than Joe Biden,

(01:04:46):
six in ten Americans feel that Donald Trump is doing
a better job than Joe Biden. So the numbers are
with the president. He knows it, and that's why he's
moving ahead. He's not afraid to and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
You know he will not let anyone falsely create narrative
for him. Donald Trump won't. He's been in front of
this media NonStop. Yeah, okay, let's go to the callers.
Let's go to Joseph in Springville. Joseph, thank you for
calling the Rod and Greg show. What say you?

Speaker 14 (01:05:12):
Well, I want to get back to Well. I support
President Trump and what he's doing.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Ok.

Speaker 14 (01:05:20):
I have a brother that just retired voluntarily from the
federal government who was in a position that paid him
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (01:05:29):
And I can't say that he didn't earn it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
But the.

Speaker 14 (01:05:36):
Department he worked for was responsible for finding people and
finding criminals and things in the corporate world. I don't
want to save which agency he worked for, but he
would find people that would steal billions of dollars from people,
and they would get a slap on the wrist. Government

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didn't enforce.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
So did he did your did your brother, Joseph? Did
your brother take up the offer that the president is
offering federal employees early retirement work till September? No, it
was difficult.

Speaker 14 (01:06:07):
He retired December thirty first.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Okay, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:06:11):
But I have cancer and I'm going to have an
operation this summer. The way my doctor explained it to
me is that they're not just taking the cancer. They
have to take out some of the good healthy tissue
as well to make sure they get it all. And
I think that this is what we need to do
in the government. The federal government has a cancer and

(01:06:33):
it's just got to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Yeah, absolutely, it's got to be done. What are we
thirty six thirty seven trillion dollars in debt? How much
longer can we continue living this way?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I hope our listeners heard Joseph and his personal analogy
to that, I mean as a personal analogy on a
couple levels, and also his to have a brother who
is making good money, but they can't enforce when they
catch someone's stealing billions, they can't enforce it. This is
the stuff that you have to get to the bottom of.
And uh, anyway, I'm all in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, good luck to you, by the way, shoes in
your battle against cancer. Mark coming up on the Roden
Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
You know, I just got a text as Greg Elon
Musk just said your name, this is Donald Trump. Want
to know what he said? And it has a link.
I'm not. I think I'm getting suckered on this. I'm
you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to
hit the delete delete and report as junk. Yeah, that's
not real. Elon did not say my name. That is

(01:07:30):
not true.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Would you feel good if he did?

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I would. I think that would actually if he did.
But he did not. That that was that was not
a real text. Now, so I erased it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
All right, Well, uh, you don't legislature in the final
two weeks? Is am I reading this right?

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
They're down to the final two weeks?

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yep? And today's done. Well actually, let's see that. Yeah,
it's about done right now. But yeah, there's four days
this week, five days next, so they're nine days, nine
days days.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
One issue that you even wrestled with when you were
a lawmaker was the debate about fluoride in the water.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
That's right, it was. It really was a hot, hot topic.
It had people so passionate on either side of that issue,
and we really didn't see a whole lot of progress
in terms of getting fluoride out of our culinary water.
It was one that a lot of political capitals spent,
but we didn't really get there. I mean, these water
conservancy districts were able to florid eight the water.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, well guess what we've gotten there depends on what
the governor does. But both the Utah House and Utah
Senate have now given the ok to a bill that
prohibits the introduction of fluoride into public drinking, and the
sponsor of that measure was our next guest. Her name
is Representative Stephanie Gracish, and she's joining us on our

(01:08:46):
newsmaker line right now. Stephanie, let me ask you, first
of all, why did you decide to take up this
issue that on an annual basis always comes up before
Utah lawmakers.

Speaker 19 (01:08:57):
So last year I actually had a constituent come forward
and ask me to run a bill related to fluoride
and getting it out of the water systems, and so
I started working with her on that, and then we
had the EPA ruling that came out toward the end
of last year, which then ended up bringing the water
districts into the conversation and it just kind of snowballs

(01:09:18):
from there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
So congratulations. This is a this is not an unknown issue.
It's an issue that's come up and been quite controversial
over the years. I didn't see as much public narrative
about it, but it's a heavy lift. I see its status.
You've got through the House and Senate, and it's I
guess it's on its way to the governor to be signed.
Explain to our listeners this prohibition on fluoride in our

(01:09:40):
public water systems? Is this going forward? Does this change
anything for any water systems of any municipalties or water
conservancy districts currently? Maybe you can just describe the bill
on what it does.

Speaker 19 (01:09:52):
Yeah, so it'll change for some but not for others.
So right now, we only have two counties in the state,
Davids and Salt Lake, that adds fluoride on a county
wide level, and then there are only a handful of
municipalities outside of those counties that add fluoride into their
water systems. So for those systems we would no longer
be adding supplemental fluoride. Now that doesn't mean there's going

(01:10:12):
to be zero fluoride in the water, because all water
systems in Utah have a naturally occurring level which is
a different mineral than the fluoroscilic acid that we add. So,
for example, Salt Lake County naturally has about point four
milligrams per liter of fluoride that's just the natural element,
and the point seven milligrams per leader has historically been

(01:10:33):
the EPA recommended guideline, so they only adjust up with
the fluoroscilic acid that additional point three, So there will
still be some fluoride in the water, we're just not
adding that supplemental amount on top of what's natural. Now,
for those counties that do not add fluoride into their water,
they'll actually have increased access to the prescription fluoride through

(01:10:55):
a pharmacy. So the other portion of this bill actually
makes it so pharmacist camp prescribe floride. So Utah County,
Washington County, your rural counties will now all be able
to go into a pharmacy without having to visit a
doctor or a dentist and pick up prescription floride just
by talking to a pharmacist representative.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
How much of a pushback did you get from dentists?
Were they opposed to this bill? Did they fight it hard?

Speaker 19 (01:11:20):
So it depends on the dentist and the dental association. Yes,
they were opposed to this bill.

Speaker 9 (01:11:25):
But I had.

Speaker 19 (01:11:26):
Dozens of independent dentists reach out to me in support
of this policy. Because the underlying policy issue here is
a personal choice when it comes to what prescriptions you take,
and I think a lot of our dentists support that
individual choice, and so it kind of just depended on
who you talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
I'm curious that we have two. So I would have
thought this was more prevalent that fluoride in the water,
the culinary water. I was treated it maybe more frequently.
So only two counties. How many people would you estimate
are even impacted by It's a good bill? Love the
bill again, I think it's great legislation. How many Utahns

(01:12:08):
will be positively impacted by this bill out of those
two counties, would you say representative?

Speaker 19 (01:12:13):
So between those two counties, the Salt Lake being our
heaviest populated and then Davis being forward the top, it
comes out to right around half of this state of
Utah's population.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
You mentioned earlier that you were approached by a constituent
on this bill. I think it was last year. As
you've talked to people representative, what are some of their
primary concerns? What have they told you about their concern
about fluoride in the water.

Speaker 19 (01:12:39):
Yeah, so, and I'll give you both sides. The primary
concern from people who are in support of the bill
is personal choice. I've actually met several people who are
allergic to floride. I didn't know that was a thing,
but apparently it is a thing. And then really people
who just say, you know what, it's not the government's
job to decide to medicate me, and I fully agree

(01:13:00):
with that. And on the other side, you have people
who are concerned about children's mental health, and because that
is a very real concern, we actually pulled insurance data
on kid cavities from the last twelve months and there
really is not any sort of significant difference between counties
that ab fleriting counties that don't. Statistically it was almost identical,

(01:13:21):
which I thought was very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
So there's a broader conversation I think happening in America
with especially now that you see RFK Junior being confirmed
by the Senate as the head of Health and Human Services,
and it's about what is going on with our food
and what we're consuming. We seem to be a sicker society.
We're seeing allergies, we're seeing autism rates that are going
through the roof at such a scary pace. Did any

(01:13:44):
of that broader discussion come up in this bill where
people are more open minded or at least more sensitive
to or worried about the chemicals that may be in
their water or the things that we add to our
water and food for that matter. Did any of that
broader conversation come up in your bill as you went
through the process.

Speaker 19 (01:14:03):
It's did a little bit. So when we add that
fluorocylic acid, it's not just a pure fluoride, it's actually
an industrial waste product. And because of that, the state
already requires monitoring for a bunch of other substances our snack, cadmium, lead,
and about a handful of things that are really just
not good for you, which have been part of that
broader conversation. I want to say it's forty eight percent

(01:14:26):
of all fluoride samples for what goes into our water
system contains arsenic And so from that overarching health perspective,
you did have a lot of people saying we don't
want these heavy metals in our.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Water on our news tapeline, I should say, as Representative
Stephanie Grecio, she is talking about prohibiting fluoride in the water.
After a long battle, let's just kind of slipped through
and get approved. And I agree. I like your last question, Greg.
I think when it comes to health and food and medicine.
The RFK junior effect is starting to take place. I

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think people are willing to question.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I know in our home we have woken up to
the fact that something is wrong out here. There's something
wrong in our foods, our food chain, something, something is
not going well. This this country and its quality of
life should not match how sick our young people are
and how sick people aren't. And so something's wrong. And
I do think we are going to start staring at
not just floriade in the water, but everything about the

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big food and the dyes and all the things that
are in there, because there's just too many examples of
where people are not well and kids who should be
our healthiest demo of people are not well. And so
there I think there's a heavy and needed scrutiny on
all of it. And so congratulations represent Greecianus. This is

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a bill that, again I've said, has seen defeat. There
is that political graveyard of people that have tried to
take this on and she went in there and and
got it done. And good for her, good lawmaker.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Speaking of health, another health note, federal health officials say
they believe the flu season has peaked.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, and I should we should we break it to
people who conscientiously get flu shots, don't you know? RFK
Junior just put out the stat that you are four
point four percent or four point four times, So that's
four hundred four point four going four times more likely
to get the flu if you've had the flu shot.

(01:16:29):
Insult to injury, I say, yeah, well again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Ask my wife, radio queen, load your queen. She you know,
went had her wellness checked. Doctor said do you want
a flu shot? She said yes. I don't know if
this directly contributed to it, but a couple of days
later she got the flu and she she was down
for five.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Now laughing radio queen, I'm just saying, unbelievable you to
get a flu shot, you got the flu.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Yeah, she was down for five or six days.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
That is not what the flu shots supposed to mean.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
He had just gotten over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
It's not supposed to me you get the flu. It's
actually the opposite of it. False advertising.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Oh well, anyway, did all right? More coming up Rod
and Greg with you on this Monday right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n r S.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Check us out on our X page at Rod and
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Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yeah, you get a lot of wind in that song. Wood. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
See we're getting pretty good win Wood.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Yes, yeah, I love yeah. All right. We were just
talking about more Americans. I think Americans feel concerned, greg
about what's in our food and how it's being manufactured
and what about the drugs that we're taking. RFK Junior
is going to bring a lot of very very interesting
approaches to this whole thing. Well, we were talking, well

(01:17:57):
a week or two ago on Girl Scout cookies. What
you're talking about that they're now on sale, our favorites,
the ones they're doing away with. Well, good old Joe
Rogan decided to have a little fun and take a
look at what's inside.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Why Girl Scout ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 21 (01:18:16):
I was reading some study on Girl Scout cookies, like
how how many like they've done studies on Girl Scout
cookies where they break them down, find out what's in them?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Holy they're toxic?

Speaker 21 (01:18:27):
Is yeah, I'll send it to you, Jamie. I send
it to my wife because she she's trying to avoid
Girl Scout cookies because.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Those you can't imagine she's gonna give you something bad.

Speaker 21 (01:18:40):
Yeah, those little hustlers, they they they catch you at
the grocery store, different seed oils, all the different things
in them, thin mints being the worst offenders. Five flavors
of Girl Scout cookies contained the levels of glypha, sate
and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits. New investigation
found one hundred percent of test did Girl Scout cookies

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contained glyphasate, one controversial herbicide and round up. Eighty eight
percent contained toxic metals like arsenic, lead and mercury. Key
finding thin mints had the highest glyphysate LETLS levels at
one hundred and eleven point zero seven ppb h three
hundred and thirty four times what experts say is harmful.

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Peanut butter patties had the highest heavy metal contamination, with
lead reaching forty two point five PPB and aluminum at
twenty seven thousand, five hundred ppp PPB PPM. Seventy six
percent of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
And ninety six contained lead.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
That's wild.

Speaker 21 (01:19:44):
Girl Scout USA, which sells two hundred million boxes per
year eight hundred million dollars in revenue, did not respond
to researchers before publication.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I wonder wise, Wow, I'm devastated.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
I was just my desire for thin mints.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Thin min's were the only ones I wanted to be good.
Really could have they could have gotten rid of the rest. Ah,
what about the samoas what they call they call them,
They call those those samoas. What are they called? I
don't know, But the thin men's, those are the ones
I wanted. It's ruining everything. Stop big food. They ruined
even a Girl Scout cookies. He say lead? Did I

(01:20:22):
hear that?

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I think there's lead.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
You gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
There's lead. There's other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Is there any joy in life? Is there anything? Is
there anything good that we can eat anymore that's actually
fun to eat and not going to kill us? You
remember those those liberals, man, they made us. They got
everything was plastic. We had to have plastic bottles, plastic bags, plastic,
and they took away and the dolphins and whales choke
on the plastic. And then find out. Come to find
out you drink the water out of plastic bottles. Thinging

(01:20:49):
you're being all healthy, no microplastics. Yeah, you're drinking microplastics now, and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Then they took them away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I am so sad about the Girl Scout cookies. You know,
I didn't need that clip. Why you had to play that?
I don't I'll never know. Well, I was fine not knowing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
You know what my goal.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Is, make me miserable. I don't have There's only a
few things. Look, we don't have a bunch of stuff
that you know that I enjoy. I don't. Okay, if
I can't have, if I can't have Girl Scout cookies,
then I want whiskey. That's what I want is to trade.
Is that Is that better for me? That Girl Scout
cookies sound it so bad? It can't be as bad

(01:21:26):
as that. Yeah, that might be better for me than
thin minutes thin men's sounded scary well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
By the way, the Girl Scouts have now responded to this.
What they say, Let's see, they say, the health and
safety of Girl Scouts and cookie customers is our top priority.
Rest assured that Girl Scout cookies are safe to consume.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
I'm taking that to the bank.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Girl Scout cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to
food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Now, the FDA, we're just we're down on them. We
know they've they've been they've been scammed. Uh, thin mints. Seriously,
someone needs to do a comparison. Which is worse. You
gotta have something, I have thin mints or something else. Yeah,
that's one or the other. I mean, I gotta give
up one. I gotta I gotta pick up something else.

(01:22:18):
So we gotta we gotta look and see which is
better for you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Yeah, well they're they're emphasizing again and this releas obviously
in a response to what Joe Rogan talked about today.
They basically say, as a result, Girl Scout cookies are
safe to consume and are manufactured in accordance with all
safety regulation.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
I know, but the thing is, you watch make America
healthy again. The FDA hasn't been really.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
R rks not going to left the Girl Scouts, is he?

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Man? I just I just put some better ingredients in there.
Take the let out, that's all. Just take the take
the stuff out that he did that Rogan just rattled off, Uh,
take all that out of the thin mints, please, all Lee. Yeah,
well that's bad news. That's not that's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Well they've responded. You know, it's a matter of opinion
when it comes to issues like that. So you deal
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Yes, I will, all right, I will deal with it.
I will recover. All right, Markevy the worst segment you've
ever played.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
On the Rotten Greg Show in Utah Stark Radio one
O five nine K and R asked, all right, we
were talking earlier about this, Uh, this crazy governor in Wisconsin,
Greg who apparently has approved a bill which basically does
drop the reference to a woman as a mother if
she is pregnant, but to they're calling her what an

(01:23:41):
inseminated person.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
In the aftermath of Donald Trump's election. How did they
bottom line it as, you know what we got to do.
We gotta get rid of this whole mother work. Yeah,
this is this is this, this whole mom thing is
what we gotta get. We gotta draw right down on this.
This is how we're going to save America. Yeah, inseminated person. Well,
apparently it appears the Democrats have finally picked a hill
to die on, and that's defense of transgenderism. Good luck

(01:24:06):
with that one. It leaves me confused. That's why I'm
so grateful that we have Terry Shilling here as a
president of the American Principles Project to talk about this,
this newest turn of events where this governor has decided
that the word mother is just unacceptable in statute. Welcome
to the program, Terry.

Speaker 9 (01:24:28):
Thanks so much for having right and Greg. I always
love coming on, and I'm glad that you guys view
me as your trans expert.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Yeah you caught that. Huh, well, you could translate this year.
Maybe you're the trans whisperer. I don't know what it is,
but tell me how on Earth. In the aftermath of
President Trump's a mighty victory, this is the issue that
they said, Oh, this is our line in the sands,
this is what we got to do.

Speaker 9 (01:24:53):
Well, and thanks again for having me on and let
me clarify and explain this. It's it's their Democrats are
going to really tough position, right, and it's tough to
imagine this being the issue, But Democrats have spent the
last decade telling their base and telling the American people
that trans rights are human rights. And then if we

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don't give them transmender surgeries and pay for with tax sellers,
if we don't let men compete in girls' sports, that
trans lives are at stake, that trans people will die.
Like this is not me like paraphrasing. This is directly
quoting some of these Democrat officials. So they've been telling
their base and voters that if they don't support all

(01:25:35):
of these trans pieces of legislation and trans policies that
destroy women's sports, that destroy women in general, and redefine
it entirely, that trans people will die, that lives are
at stake. Right, So if they moderate on this, they
are basically admitting that one they were either lying the
entire time, or two that they don't care about endangering

(01:25:59):
trans lives. Now we all know that it's absolute preposterous
to say that trans lives are at stake if they
can't get a sex change. That's like a first of
the first World problem. Right, Children in Africa are being
killed and murdered and dying every day from malnutrition. But
American transactivists will die if they can't get a sex
change procedure, it's crazy, or if they do, if they

(01:26:20):
stick with it, so they'll lose their base if they
moderate and lose elections.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
But if they stick with.

Speaker 9 (01:26:26):
It, they're going to keep losing swing voters and lose elections.
So they're damned as they do, and damn with they don't,
all because they had to go down and make these
extreme arguments. These policies are disastrous. The American people have
seen through it. The latest polling on the Women's Sports
Executive Order that session that Trump did is seventy nine
percent to eighteen percent opposition. To put this in perspective,

(01:26:50):
before the election, before Trump won, it was only sixty
five thirty. So the transactivists and the Democrats are not
just losing the argument with you and I, they're losing
it with the American people overall. They're all shifting over
to President Trump's position on its. So we just have
to keep making them pay a political price. And it's
not just about that though, it's primarily about protecting our

(01:27:13):
children and our daughters.

Speaker 20 (01:27:15):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
They need athletic opportunities. They shouldn't be preyed upon by
a medical industry that's making billions of dollars a year
off of giving trans surgeries and hormone treatments to children Terry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
How did this happen so fast? I mean, if you
go back several decades, I mean, the battle over gay
rights seemed to take forever. I mean a fight after
fight decades ago, transgenderism showed up and all of a
sudden it was a big issue. How did that happen
so quickly?

Speaker 9 (01:27:42):
Well, that's a very good question, because we've found what
I think is one of the answers to that. We
did a Doge report. We wanted to identify as much
federal spending that was being used to promote gender identity
programs as we could, and what we found is that
over just the past few years, the federal government has

(01:28:02):
spent over one hundred and seventy four million dollars promoting
gender identity programs. These are in our kids' schools. Some
of the money, to be fair, is being spent overseas
in like Somalia or you know, we spent two million dollars,
for example, to promote and I'm not kidding you, we
spent two million dollars to promote quote gender diverse people

(01:28:23):
in Bangladesh. So the federal government's been pushing this on
the American people and they hide it in school programs,
anti bullying programs. But it's all out there. So when
you put one hundred and seventy four million dollars behind
an issue, well, you can make Florida in the water
of a voting issue. You can change a lot of
hearts and minds and cause a lot of confusion with

(01:28:44):
that much money. But on top of that, the Obama
administration really got this going, not just with more expenditures
from the federal level, but they changed rules and regulations. Obama,
for example, changed the Human Health and Human Services Regulations
and the Obamacare regulations to force insurance companies to cover

(01:29:05):
sex change procedures. Before your insurance companies were forced to
cover these, no one got these procedures because they couldn't
afford four hundred and fifty thousand dollars to do a
gender transition to themselves. Right, So the federal government is
at the root of so much of this rush to transgenderism.
They didn't have that to push SKay rights. For example,

(01:29:27):
they started in the nineteen eighties with HIV and AIDS programs.
That's how the LGBT movement really got its start. It
was through federal government funding through those programs. But you
fast forward today and now the Democrats just took the
took the feeling off, and they just started spending all
types of money to promote gender identity programs.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
You make an interesting point about the base, about the
Democrat base, and how they can't alienate that base. But
I go back Clinton when they lost the mid terms
in ninety four. Oh, he came out and said that
the Arab big government's over. He seemed to see the
light at the expense of a base. You got Bill
Maher right now screaming, you guys, are we're gonna lose.
We're never gonna see an election win again if you
keep it up. You get even James Carvell saying the

(01:30:06):
same thing. They have no love for Republicans. They are
certainly not right of center, but they're saying, you know
this this path we're on, you're not going to see
another Democrat elected. My question is who is holding the
Democrats feet to the fire. Who is this group that
is smarter than Clinton, smarter than Bill maherk smarter than
James Carvill and all the others that have been trying
to get away from this issue.

Speaker 9 (01:30:28):
Well, so you know, we have all these different special
interest groups in DC right, you have big pharma, big oil,
big tobacco. You know my group, we call ourselves a
big family. But there is a big LGBT special interest group,
the Human Rights Campaign, for example. They're a one hundred
million dollars a year organization. They have a pack, they

(01:30:49):
run campaign ads against these guys and by the way,
Human Rights Campaign they have this corporate Equality Index that
they use to pressure corporations into pushing these policies, and
the boycott governors and politicians that oppose the gender identity stuff.
So you have these special interest groups. But guys, let
let's not get too complicated with this. I think there's

(01:31:11):
a large enough percentage of elected Democrat officials who are
just this dumb, who are just as stupid that have been,
who actually believe that men can menstrate right, that they
believe that men can have babies, they believe that that
men can actually become women. They're absolutely crazy they I

(01:31:31):
think these people are just crazy and dumb. I mean, guys,
have you guys seen any of these recent called AOC
and elon Omar and who's this the latest woman that
they're promoting from Texas. They're all so dumb. Let's over complicate.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
That's actually true.

Speaker 9 (01:31:50):
But these Democrats are in office are really dumb terry.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
How many elections are the Democrats going to have to
lose till someone wakes up and says we're headed in
the wrong direction, or do we see a new party
coming someday? Who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:32:03):
Well, I certainly hope that we can finally get rid
of the Democratic Party. They've caused so many problems in
this country. You know, from slavery to opposing civil rights
to now pushing transgender surgeries on minors and desroying girls' sports.
That this is a rotten party. They've always been against America.
But I honestly believe that if we win the mid terms,
and if we win the next presidential election and keep

(01:32:25):
these issues at the forefront, I think the Democrats will
be forced to reconcile with that problem. You could only
lose so many presidential elections before you you're forced to
do that. But let's be very clear. They threw everything
they could at Donald Trump to get him keep him out,
and he still won. And here's the thing. This transi
issue was at the heart and soul of his victory.

(01:32:48):
It shifted over two point seven percent of the electorate
towards Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (01:32:53):
And that's not.

Speaker 9 (01:32:53):
Terry Shilling and you know a app and the Big
Family saying that that's that is Alla Harris's own campaign
research saying that, So the Dens know that this issue
is hurting them, but they just aren't brave enough or
there's actually just so dumb that they can't move on
from it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
That that that congress member of Congress, is that Jasmine Crockett. Yeah,
she's yeah, she's she is, She's a she's not one
of the sharpest tools in the shed, if you know
what I mean. So, yeah, she's really leading out with
the Democrats on these on these issues.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
So Terry, oh, is always great chatting with you. Thank
you for your insight. I know we'll be chatting again.
Enjoy the rest of the evening.

Speaker 9 (01:33:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
All right. That is Terry Shilling. He is prinsident of
the American Principles Project here on the Rodding Greg Show.
And I can't figure it out, Greg. They they have
chosen this hill to die on and I just don't
understand it. The American people are uncomfortable with this, they
don't like it. Yet here we go with the Democrats
for Ginahead.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Well, you know what, I don't want to interrupt him.
Let them, let them decide this is going to be
what they want to talk about. Keep alienating the American people.
I'm worried that we don't have enough Republicans in that
Congress because it's such a thin majority to get some
of the President Trump's big you know, budget items done
and things like that, and people won't want to vote
for a Republican again if they don't. But look at
the contrast, Look at who the look at what you

(01:34:18):
would empower, who you would empower if you didn't. So
I want them to keep drawing this such a stark
contrast in terms of the world, their worldview, and what
they'd like to see, because we can't get we can't
let these we can't let these democrats get back in power.
That's why we can't have nice things. These Democrats getting there.
And that's it. There's no more gender. We're just getting

(01:34:39):
rid of the whole thing. By the way, you were citing,
know James Carville a moment ago. Yeah, did you see
what he said over the weekend? Yeah, Well you think
it's going to all implode or.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Collapse, predicting the Trump White House will collapse within thirty days.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
He's talking about a budget. He's hoping that the Democrats
block a budget deal, the government shuts down, and he
calls that a collapse. Well, you know they used to
call that Republicans shutting the government down. That's Democrats if
they try to do it. We just got to keep
our Republicans in line. But look, with all the success
we've seen with President Trump, with his nominees confirmed in
the Senate for as cabinet members, it's the highest percentage

(01:35:13):
we've seen a long long time. I got to believe
that he can help keep a very small majority in
the House strong and even the Senate strong to get
his agenda over the finish line.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
So let's hope we can do it, that's for sure,
all right, More coming up, final segment other Rodden Greg
Show with you on this Monday evening and Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN RS.

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point four or one thy four hundreds, So I think
it's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Man. Is it fair to say, greg, we're in a
different time in America than we were when the Philadelphia
Eagles last won the Super Bowl back in twenty eighteen.
Different time in America, right, Yes. And there was a
lot of speculation out there that since they decided not
to go to the White House in twenty eighteen, that
they would not go this year after beating Kansas City

(01:36:30):
in the what was it, Super Bowl fifty nine?

Speaker 15 (01:36:33):
I believe right, Yes, Well, I thought that's a sweem
actual Well, guess what they are going. The Eagles, winners
of the Super Bowl, had said they would love to
visit with President Trump this time around. A spokesman for
the club said, we would be honored to visit the
White House. It's one of the things we had looked
forward to doing, and we look forward to receiving the invitation.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
That's a night.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Will Trump invite them?

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Of course you will. You know, he's a good that
the way he is. I mean, well, look, there's a
lot there's something about you can brawl, but then afterwards
you can get together. If they if they if if
the Eagles have snubbed him before, but they're excited and
they put out a statement like that, He's he's happy
to host him. He might feed a McDonald's food because

(01:37:20):
that's what he loves.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
But did he do that? What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
There was a football team, it was he was a
national championship, he was Alabama. I think yeah. I mean,
I'll tell you what they were. They were people. The
people in Philadelphia were just crossing their fingers that they
would decline again. They wanted that. They wanted that story
so bad. Oh, they were so excited. They just wanted
to be able to tell President Eagles don't want to

(01:37:44):
come visit you, but well, well yep, so they're coming.
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Media news today. I think I mentioned this earlier lefter
Holt is stepping down as anchor of the NBC nightly news.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Oh boo hoo.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
This this summer, he'll be stepping down. Word is you
know CBS, I can't even remember your name. Nora O'Donnell
of course left the anchor desk. They came up with
this two guy anchor desk. It is bombing twin team
anchor on CBS Evening News. It is a magazine style
show and already they're panicking and are planning on doing

(01:38:24):
something different.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Well they should and enjoy read. I mean, I love
how she's given the heave ho and it's you know
what I I It used to be that, you know,
people had to watch your network to drive the advertising
dollars because people would want to pay to have an
advertisement on something with a lot of people were watching.
And somehow that that we got out of that economics

(01:38:47):
like it changed somehow. But now I think we're back
to what's what's commercially popular, what do people want to see,
And that's where you're going to see success and failure
in network news and cable news.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see Greg how
how local, local, and national television news adopt yes, because
they're going to have to the world has changed many
many people simply get their news from social media.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
If you look at the White House Press Corps, now,
this Trump administration has really changed the makeup. They have
some traditional as they always have, but they've actually opened
it up to the the people that are that are prevaying,
you know, sharing news online and have platforms. It's it's changing.
And the Pentagon didn't give everybody their you know, all
the regime media. They're a little uh special place inside

(01:39:32):
the building. They went and changed that up too. It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
So Lester is stepping down, Rachel is having to uh
shift a little bit. They're giving they're giving extra time
to Jen Psaki.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
She was good luck with that. I think, yeah, I
think that's a mistake. But you said earlier in the
program that the MSNBC thinks, you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Know, we're just not liberal. Yeah yeah, I just want
to know how.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Many people they think are going to watch that stuff
at night.

Speaker 17 (01:39:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Well, well they just you know, with these changes, they
just MSNBC says we need to be even more progressive.
I don't know how much more progressive they can get,
but we'll have to wait and see, because that's apparently
coming to the MSNBC network.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
We have to wait and see good morning Joe. Did
they still did they run away when after going tomorrow
lago or did they should?

Speaker 20 (01:40:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
All right, that does good for us tonight. Thanks very
much for joining us. Head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family in this great country of ours.
We're back with you tomorrow at four

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