The Rod and Greg Show: The Dissolution of the Department of Education; Democrat Party Should Listen to its Men

The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Thursday, March 20, 2025

4:20 pm: Cheryl Chumley, Online Opinion Editor for the Washington Times joins the program for a conversation about her piece on how Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the best reflection of a destroyed Democrat Party.

4:38 pm: Conn Carroll, Commentary Editor for the Washington Examiner, joins the program to discuss his tongue-in-cheek piece suggesting Democrats should begin listening to the men in the party.

6:05 pm: Andrew Handel, Director of the Education and Workforce Development Taskforce at the American Legislative Exchange Council joins the program to discuss President Trump’s executive order to dissolve the U.S. Department of Education.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, a lot of dudes going on today. Donald Trump
continues on a roll today, big event at the White House.
Just about an hour hour and a half ago, the
President is signing an executive order calling for the elimination
of the Department of Education.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You know this didn't sneak up on us. He campaigned
on this issue, right, so promises made promises. Cap the
guy campaigned on this said, states, you know how to
run your state's education system. We're going to get this
big bloated federal you know, government department out of your way.
And here we go.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Trump time.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Trump time is a very different time than DC time.
It's a very different time.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
And Donald Trump is not the first conservative to call
for the elimination of the Department of Education. People have
been talking about this on the conservative side for quite
some time. As a matter of fact. A little bit
later on, we'll play an audio sound bite from the
Gipper himself, the great communicator, Ronald Reagan, talking about this
in his State of the Union address back in.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
And the department was formed one in nineteen eighty nineteen
seventy nine during the Carter era.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
There's immediate buyer's remorse. Apparently, Okay, we didn't do this right,
This is this one?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
All right? Yeah? Yeah, they knew that quickly. Yeah, so
we're all talking about that. There was a survey out
a couple of I think it was last weekend, Greg
where they went to Democrats and asked Democrats to identify
someone who they think is the leader of the party
right now. Guess who came in first.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh, it's what a lineup, what a crew? I have
no idea. Who do they think?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Alexandria A Cassio Quartets AOC, Yeah, AOC.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Louisiana Senator John Hetty's operation. Let them speak, Yeah, that's
what it is. Let her speak.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we're on to talk about we're all talking about that.
We're on talking about why Democrats should listen to men.
Apparently the only group they're listening to right now are women.
And we'll get more reaction to the announcement today of
the President signing an executive order, Yes we know it
still needs congressional approval, but signing an executive order to
begin the dismantling of the Federal Department of Education. We'll

(02:31):
get into that as well. We want to start off
the show today, though, Greg with who I consider a
hero today? Okay, all right, all right, the story is
mean no, no, no, you are no way it is.
It is the story coming coming out of Seattle, Washington. Okay,
that Seattle area. There is a town about twelve miles

(02:53):
outside of Seattle, beautiful little town called Newcastle. Fantastic golf
course by the way, if you're ever out there, play
a Newcastle golf course, which I have I've played a
couple of times. But there has been a debate over
guess what the pride flag? Oh now, the city Yeah,
the city announced a couple of years or about a

(03:14):
year ago, and this caused quite a ruckus that they
would no longer fly the Pride flag in front of
city hall there in Newcastle, and a lot of the
LGBTQ community, which there is a large segment of Seattle
that is in that community, really protested but could not
convince the city to let the Pride flag fly. Right. Well,

(03:34):
it's still being a pain in the you know what
to many people who lived there that the city is
not flying a Pride flag, but the city now flies
not only an American flag, but a pow Mia flag,
you know, the one with a silhouette individual honoring POWs
and those who are missed missing in action. Well that

(03:55):
has wrangled some people. So they appeared before the city
council and this one individ jewel got up there and
in about three minutes, did everything she could do to
tear apart the you know, veterans. She was just going
to tear them apart, she said, you know they call you.
I love what she called the the posting of this flag,

(04:16):
the pow Mia flag, a political stunt. Yes, the political stunt.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
She said, yeah, they're only eighty two.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Thousand, Yeah, only eighty two thousand pictures of war. Yeah,
twenty two yeah, twenty two million gay people in this country.
So she really ticked off the mayor. Now the mayor's
name is Robert Clark. He was so upset at this
that he said he had finally had enough. This is
what he said after that woman spoke up and called
the posting of the pow Mia flag a political stunt.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's not common that I respond to public common but
I will not sit here and have somebody tell me
that veterans are a political stunt. How dare you? This
country was founded because veterans lost their lives. Hundreds of
thousands of people died for this country so that you
could pry your pride flag. And man, I am pissed.

(05:12):
I'm sorry this is out of line, and perhaps my
council members will censure me for this, But do not
ever disparage veterans in my presence. Right those eighty two
thousand people who never came home will never have a
chance to have a family or grow up while you
can fly your pride flag. They sacrifice their lives all
over the world for America and for freedom around the world.

(05:37):
I tolerate your comments, which are always on the attack
and all in your libelest comments on Facebook. I tolerate
it because you know you probably can't help yourself, but
don't ever disparage veterans in front of me. Don't ever
disparage veterans in front of me.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
And we're done.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I love that mayor disparage veterans in front of me.
We are done now, and he moved on. That's a
hero to me.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It is. And to try and draw that equivalent between
people that are gay and those that have fought for
this country, were killed in action, missing in action, it
just you know, it's it deserved the rebuke it received.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, that man. Yeah, and the mayor just stood
up and he said, that's it. And he's getting a
lot of praise from people around the country today for
basically doing just that. So you know, people, you know,
don't mess with the veterans. Folks. They've served this country.
And as he I think he indicated in his comments,
you know, you wouldn't be able to be here making
a comment like you made today if it wasn't for veterans.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know, I sat and watched her public comment right
before he got before he and she and they were quiet,
like they didn't interrupt her. They let her go, and
she went on for quite a bit and talk about
disrespect and drawing them and really chastising them for being
immoral and then drawing a moral equivalency between or a
greater equivalency that they are more her demographic of people

(07:02):
that are lesbian LGBT that was somehow more important or
more relevant than those that have been missing an action.
It was really offensive to hear, and I think it
goes back to what we said operation let them Speak.
I just don't know what everyday American would hear what
she had to say that's true and say, well, I

(07:23):
agree with that. I think those those veterans that have died,
those those men and women in the military that didn't
come back home, Yeah, that we should. That's a political
stunt if you're remembering that. I don't think that's how
that's going to go.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's not the way it should go either. The Democratic
Party is in disarray, fair statement. Yes, yes, yeah, they're
trying to figure out what on earth is going on
and after the loss to Donald Trump in November and
Donald Trump moving like wildfire from the federal government trying
to get things changed. So what did the what are
the Democrats need to do? A lot there's a lot

(07:55):
of thinking going on right now, but we have a
guest on the show who we've had her on before.
Her name is Cheryl Chumley. She is an online opinion
editor at the Washington Times, and she talks about this
survey that was taken just recently about maybe some of
the more popular Democratic politicians out there. And guess who
came on top, Alexandria A Cassio Corte. Cheryl is on

(08:18):
our newsmaker line right now, Cheryl, have we got you there?
I think we had you. We may have lost her. Hi,
I'm here now there you are, Cheryl? How are you? Cheryl?
What do you think about where AOC is identified maybe
as the most popular Democrat out there right now? Surprise you?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
No, it doesn't surprise me, right and no, thanks for
having me. I'm glad we connected. And look back in
twenty eighteen, the DNC chief Tom Perez predicted that AOC
was going to be the face of the party. And so,
you know, fast forward a few years. In a recent
CNN poll of Democrats and Democrat leaning adults say that

(08:58):
AOC is act actually the person who best represents the
core values of the Democrat party. So no surprise, but
it explains a lot, doesn't it does.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Look, she's a socialist. I think a lot of us
know that, is she? Ever has she unabashedly declared that
she's a socialist or is it just by a word
and action that we know this?

Speaker 5 (09:22):
You know?

Speaker 4 (09:22):
I think way back when she was first starting out,
she called herself a socialist, But now she goes by
the tag of progressive right, which is just code for socialists.
And you know, really the whole Democrat Party you can
call them a socialist if you look at their platforms
or their agendas, their stated and written goals. It is
much more in line with the Socialist Party, even the

(09:45):
Communist Party, than anything to do with you know, advancing
pro America pro constitution and idea of Cheryl.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Isn't she planning on going on some sort of tour
and going to red states and talked to the Trump
voters and share her thoughts. Isn't that part of her plan?
That is what I think we've heard.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I heard the same. And I heard that she
also wants to run for Chuck Schumer's seat because now
he's become the target of her ire. And look, the
Democrat Party, for some reason, really truly believes that Ocasio
Cortes is the future of the party. There's no getting
around it. This has been a long running plan and

(10:26):
it's coming to fruition. And it's really baffling to most
of us in America when we look back at this
Democrat Party and we see how they are also on
the wrong side of everything, and not just by a
little right, but eighty percent of Americans favor this, and
so Democrats jump on the twenty percent bandwagon and it's
always the radical, lunatic fringe ideas that they support, but

(10:49):
it's coming from the socialist wing of the party. They
have corrupted the party, they've taken over, and this is
their future.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Senator John Louisian Senator US Senator John Kennedy said that
the way he's looking at it, and with all the
rhetoric and coming out of the Democrat Party, AOC and others,
he said, we're just in the we're into operation. Let
them speak, because he takes that they are making the
greatest case why Republicans should be successful in everything that
they're doing. There was a saying once that you know,

(11:20):
some political opportunitists would look for where the people were
going and try and go to and try to lead
them there. I don't even see that out of the
party right now. I certainly don't see it from AOC.
Do you think they have an AHA moment or they
at least try or pretend to lead to people where
the American people are going? Or are they just going
to stick to this twenty percent mantra and then see

(11:40):
it through.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
So wouldn't you think their AHA moment would have been
the election?

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
And if not the election, then the firings that took
place at MSNBC, the dwindling at CNN, the announcement of
Jeff Bezos with his Washington Post opinion pages.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
I mean, the writings on the wall.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
It couldn't be clearer. So it's been one AHA moment
after another. But the only conclusion you can make is
that there are certain nefarious parties right working busily behind
the scenes that are determined to bring America to a
more socialist bended knee. And you only have to go

(12:24):
back in time to Barack Obama's administration to see the
force the strength of these deep state forces. And I
don't think these AHA moments are going to lead to
any actual change.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Cheryl, I imagine you're well aware of this survey that
I think NBC released the other day about a large
segment I think sixty eight percent or something like that,
white well educated women are the progressive wing of the
Democratic Party. I would think that someone like a Casio
Cortez would very much appeal to that wing of the

(12:58):
Democratic Party, which may be making up most of the
Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Now, yeah, I hate to see, you know, the white
women going far left because you know, I think to myself,
cheeve it, it's embarrassing to be associated here, right.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
But it's it's true that the socialist.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Agenda when when you're not critically thinking as a voter, right,
when you don't look down the line, when you're only
in it for you and you don't care about what
the results.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Bring in terms of a year down the road, five years.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Down the road, and so forth, the socialist agenda sells well,
it's all about, you know, tax dollars to give to
those less fortunate single moms, daycare for kids, education, free
college education. So that resonates well with a certain non
thinking wing. Sadly, as you point out, too often, it's

(13:54):
it's white women.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Cheryl is always great to having me on the show.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time to thank you.
Cheryl enjoyed the rest of the day.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
All right. On our newsmaker line that Cheryl Chumley, she
is an opinion editor at the Washington Times, talking about
AOC in the future of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Queen Bee's the same way as Cheryl. She hates that
white women hate all of America and the Democrats that
hate them all.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
She doesn't like the association of that. Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, she hates that that's she's being thrown into that demographic.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
All right, We've got a lot more to come as
we continue with our live broadcast today from the International
Sportsman's Expo down here at the Mountain America expos Center.
We invite you to come on by. We'll be here
all afternoon. More coming up on The Roden Gregg Show.
Do you know what an awful is?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
An awful?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And awful?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Am I looking at one?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Nice?

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Well.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Awful is defined as a fool or awful awful Okay,
a affluent white female liberal awful. Okay. You've never heard
that before?

Speaker 8 (15:00):
You did?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I until I saw it this morning. As a matter
of fact, well, apparently they don't like Donald Trump. Yeah,
for anything he stands for.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I've seen some polling.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Is this polling shows that Steve Kornacki on MSNBC Today
talked about that. Listen to what he had to say
and what he found in these latest poll numbers about
the awfuls.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
White women with at least a college degree, the only
group of white voters that really kind of is on
the left politically aligned with progressive causes democratic politics.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Give you an example here, it's that DEI question right
here that we asked about in our po.

Speaker 9 (15:39):
We had two big statements we read to voters, basically,
do you want to continue DEI programs or do you
think they should be ended?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
And again, look at this divide.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
Here, white men no degree ended, White men with a
degree end it, they say, White women no degree end
it they say by double digits.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And then white women with.

Speaker 9 (15:58):
A college degree completely different, by a nearly forty point margin,
they say to continue de I.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, there you go. The awfuls have spoken.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
But the funniest part is they don't like Donald Trump.
They don't like JD. Vance, they don't like Elon Musk,
they don't like Doge. They don't like, but they love
DEI oh, yeah, they don't even like the Democrat Party
right now.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
No, they do not.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's the smallest percentage. The rest of the people don't
like the Democrat Party by more. But they just I
just think they dislike everything.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, they don't. Yeah, they don't like anything.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Joining us on our news micro line right now is
Conn Carol Khan, a commentation or a commentary editor at
The Washington Examiner.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
Conn.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
You wrote this great article about Democrats should try listening
to men. Why did you write this article and what
do you hope to achieve with it?

Speaker 6 (16:49):
Results from white men with the college education, white men
without a college education, white women with college kitchen, white
women without a co education. Basically found that white women
with a colleeducation basically hate everyone, even the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's amazing.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
But you know, yeah, I mean, I mean Trump in event,
you know, I think I think we all understand. But
then when it comes to the Republican Party, but even there,
they're in fresh with the Democratic Party, it's just they're
just hard to keep happy.

Speaker 8 (17:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Con One of the things you point out in the
article that we're looking I'm looking at is that these
non eighteen year olds, all male eighteen year olds and
twenty twenty four voted, a majority of which voted for Trump.
But the part that you find, and it is noteworthy,
is that non white eighteen year olds voted in majority
for Donald Trump and not to Democrats. And that's not
happened to the Democrat Party and by anyone's measure, ever.

(17:44):
So I think that's significant. Hey, let me ask you this.
There's there's a lot of reasons listed in a lot
of apologies or excuses made by the Democrats. But here's
here's something that I don't think people are tracking that
I just want to get your opinion on. I think
that is the Democrats have abandoned common sense. Some of
your sports blogs, barstool sports, comedians, guys, a lot of

(18:05):
the people who felt who were being canceled or being
shunned by the Left. They're guys. Guys love sports, they
love comedy, they love these things, and so they started
to identify with the Joe Rogans or the or the
the you know, the the barstool what's his name, Dave, Yeah,
Dave Portnoy. Do you think that that might have something

(18:25):
to do with young men gravitating to Trump where they
weren't before.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
I do, But I think it also has a lot
to do with the tone that Democratic Party and Democratic
Party leaders take, you know, talks about that, David Shorepool,
you mentioned that sounds the first time ever an eighteen
year old, non white, eighteen year old men political Republicans,
you know. In the same post, I talked about how
Nancy Pelosi issued a statement last week where she called
on Democrats to quote, listen to the women, you know,

(18:54):
and basically when men hear that, they're basically hearing, you know,
shut up and listen to women. We don't care what
you think. And as you know, I don't know if
you remember Michelle Obama though speech for Klawel Harris in
October last year, where she said, you know, we don't
want to hear and this will quote about your anger
and disappointment. You just want we should just listen to women.

(19:16):
And you know, young men hear that. And I know
women think that there's this patriarchy and all men are
doing great, but they're not right. Men have higher unemployment
than women. Women make up sixty percent of college students
and sixty six percent of college graduates. Men are most
often the victims of crime, they hire suicide rates. Their

(19:39):
pain and different and their anger and disappointment is very real.
So when you have Michelle Obama come along and basically
just dismiss it out of hands, how can you not
expect young men to get upset into abandoned Democrats.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Con So, is the magic formula for Democrats? Cuss more,
drink more beer, and you know, just act like a
guy and you'll get more male voters. I mean, is
that the magic formula now for the Democratic Party? Or
do they think that's what he should be?

Speaker 6 (20:06):
I mean, it does think that way. I mean, you know,
Kamala Harris again to go back to the campaign, a
paper in which she was trying to appeal specifically to
black men, and it was all about legalizing weed, making
it easy to gamble on crypto and you know, basically
promoting video games. It's like, this is what women are,
not women. This is what democratic women think men want,

(20:27):
and they don't. What men actually want is they want
to be given the tools and the training to become
providered and protectors for women. So they become respected married
husbands that can provide and protect for the women in
their life. That's what they want, and that's what the
Democratic Party does not get about men.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know, every pivot that I'm seeing Democrats at least
attempt to do feels and looks disingenuous to me. It
looks like they are just trying to play a player role.
They don't really believe it. And at the end of
the day, I think they attack anyone, even govern Newsom
got it when he started saying it's not it's a
fun it's a fairness issue. If you let guys play
girls sports. He got attacked for saying that. In California,

(21:06):
what do they have a path or what is the
path for Democrats? Because everything they're doing right now it
almost seems like they're just in a hole and they
keep digging. Do you see them pivoting in a genuine
way this party?

Speaker 6 (21:19):
The short answers no. But I'll tell you how they
can turn around, and that is to govern. You know,
when you look at California, New York, Illinois, these are
all states that have declining populations. Middle class families are
meaning from these states as fast as possible because the
taxes are too high, the housing is too high, the crime,
the crime is too rampant. What Democrats need to do

(21:41):
is they need to turn California and in Illinois it's
a place where people actually want to five. Once they
accomplish that, then the voters will come back.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, kind of at the end, you raised a great,
great question in your article. You write, the real mystery
is why young men haven't abandoned the Democratic Party completely.
I think that's a great question to ask, why haven't
they left the Democratic Party?

Speaker 6 (22:06):
You know, I think there's a number of reasons. I think,
you know, for a lot of minorities. I think this
bill is branding on the Republican side that makes it
hard for them to sign on to. But I think
it's something where uh jd Vance and and Trump have
a very optimistic, hopeful message they can put to bring
more men into the party. You know, the Republicans are

(22:28):
now the party of Elon Musk and the future and
technology and going to space, and they need to prove
that they can be a party that builds things again.
And you know, I'm not a huge fan of Trump's
papley I think to make a part of the build up,
but I do think that is the future.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Con My theory is that any Democrat guys left their
Democrats are trying to get a date. They're trying to
They're trying to preserve a social life. That's it. That's all.
They're not real, they're not there.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Well yeah, I mean, I don't know how much you
want to get into, uh the online inflicer Harry sisan
And and his travails on AX and Twitter this week.
But yeah, it does appear that a lot of guys
just claimed to be Democrats for the ladies.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Con Carol comes here. The only reason, the only reason
that guys date women Democratic women is to get a date.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
We had a robust discussion yesterday about the federal government
and the trimming of the federal government budgets and how
that impacts employees and everything else. I thought. I thought
it was a great discussion of her good comments. Well,
in the private sector, IBM insiders are saying that thousands
of employees are going to be laid off across the
United States, reportedly losing twenty five percent of its staff.

(23:40):
Twenty five percent, which is a big number, and it's
one that I don't think anyone's talking about in our
federal government. However, affected teams span consulting, sales, cloud, infrastructure,
and internal systems. Many roles shifting where offshore. Meanwhile the CEO,
let's get a twenty three percent pay raise for all
that good work. Wow, that's that's the that's the that's

(24:03):
the jungle out there, the free market jungle where the
CEO gets a twenty three percent pay raise when they
cut twenty five percent of the workforce.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
That's it. That's a tough one.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Right, that's up. We're under your saddle for a long time,
all right, mare Coming up hour number two of the
Rodd and Gregg Show, live from the International Sportsman's Expo.
It is the Rodding Gregg Show, as I mentioned on
Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k NRS, and
we'll be talking about the expo throughout the final two
hours of the show this afternoon. But Greg, let's talk

(24:36):
about the violence being directed toward Elon Musk and Tesla.
US Attorney General Pambondi today announced a slew of severe
charges against several violent far left arsonists who allegedly have
attacked separate Tesla sites. A trio of anti Musk agitators,
according to this story, are federally charged over the destruction

(24:59):
of Tesla parties. All three will face the full force
of the law, according to Bondi, for allegedly using molotov
cocktails to fire bomb Tesla cars and charging stations around
the country. Good for you, Pam Bondi, get after these guys.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, I'll tell you this, rod we I talked about
this yesterday. I it is an absolute fact. This is
not a grassroots you know, political violence just spreading across
like you know, just like you know brush fire. This
is paid for. This is AstroTurf. There are people that
pay for this type of pushback. Then you have the
lemmings of the sheep or the deranged that buy into

(25:34):
it and do it. A story that just came out
today it kind of ties into how they white women
with a college degree the office, the offals, how they
how you know, how they're wrong on every issue. Well
one of them was married to one of the board
members of Tesla, and the guy currently sits on SpaceX's board.
His ex wife, Well, she's mad. She just sent she

(25:56):
she just donated a half a million dollars to UH
the to an Indivisible the Indivisible Action, which is the
political action group that is organizing these these protests and
these attacks on vandalism of these of these Tesla dealerships,
and so it is one hundred percent the case that
these are organized. There's a profit modive there for those

(26:18):
that are are that get that will go and commit
this violence because the people that are trying to protest,
that are trying to create enough chaos fear amongst the
population that what leon Elon Musk is doing, what Donald
Trump's doing, we should stop because we're so afraid of
the violence that we're seeing as a result.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Well, we saw the most disgusting thing taking place yesterday
with some guy who decided to express his dissatisfaction with Tesla.
You've got a story today, Greg, I think this is
the This from Canada. The Vancouver International Auto Show is
removing Tesla from their event this year because of safety concerns.
They're creating chaos.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Now, ye, definition of domestic terrorists, it sure is spread
back now.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
On the Five yesterday, Jessica Tarlov, who is the token
liberal on that show, right, talked about what is going
on the violence being directed toward Tesla. But then listen
to this as she tried to equate what's happening with
Tesla right now to the whole Dylan mulvny bud Light story.
Lit's do what she said here, reiterate.

Speaker 11 (27:17):
I draw the line at Arson, no one should be
setting cars on fire, but I would argue no, this
is an important point. It's a free market point. But
also we talked about Dylan Mulveny, a single trans influencer
who was on a single can of.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Beer for months, and that.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
Can of beer set the conservative movement on for verbial fire,
rooting against at least half an American company. The Anheuser
Busch side of things, Kid Rock out there doing target
practice with Budweiser cans, people vowing to decimate that brand.
And Dylan mlvny has much less of an impact on
people's lives than Elon Musk does.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So is that okay? You don't know?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Well?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I rarely agree with Jessica Tarloff. I always thought her
to be a fairly intelligent individual. But for her to
go as far break as comparing the attacks on Tesla
dealerships to you know, to the Dylan mulvany bud Light story,
Anheuser Busha wasn't attacked to grocery stores that sold. It
wasn't attacked these they weren't fire bombed. But apparently she

(28:23):
can't equate the two. I don't get that.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, she doesn't serve her own point, because I think
we ought to compare the two. I think we should
take absolute notice. She said that the consumer recoil for
bud Light was a proverbial They were set proverbially on fire, proverbial,
not literally on fire. So they didn't literally set anything
on fire. They proverbial. There was a proverbial fire. So

(28:47):
here's my point. If you don't want to buy a Tesla,
if you don't want to own one, if you want to,
if you you want to make the decisions that people
made about bud Light and make that about Tesla, that's
a free market. They're destroying property there, creating fear. People
that like Tesla want to actually have them in their
auto show are afraid to do it for fear of
the violence that will be caused. There were no breweries

(29:10):
that were set aflame. There were no beer outlets or
convenience stores that sold bud Light that were vandalized as
a result. So you could not find two separate and
complete opposite reactions from people regarding bud Light versus regarding Tesla,
there could not be a greater difference than the two,

(29:31):
and she brings it up as a comparison, which again
she betrays her own point by doing it.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
You know what is so interesting about this The people
who vandalize Tesla cars, do they realize how many cameras
are on those cars and it will probably get every
one of them. I mean, it's pretty amazing now they
get prospect you Now, last night on The Daily Show,
that's one of these sarcastic, very liberal, left leaning shows

(29:56):
out there, the host of the program decided to ask
his audience and show his audience what's going on with Tesla.
Listen to their reaction as there were reports about what
was taking place.

Speaker 12 (30:11):
Jim, they're taking to the streets or the parking lots?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Should I be? FBI and ATF now investigating multiple cases
of possible arson targeting Tesla's and cyber tricks.

Speaker 10 (30:23):
This dramatic video shows multiple cars and flames. Police say
the attacker used molotov cocktails. It's the latest in more
than a dozen instances of arson and vandalism targeting Tesla.

Speaker 13 (30:34):
The same suspect shot more Tesla's with a gun. Tesla
cyber trucks were set on fire in Kansas City, and
earlier this month, shots fired in a Tesla dealership in Oregon.
Cyber trucks on fire in Seattle.

Speaker 12 (30:45):
Wow, you guys like pettiacts of domestic terrorism.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
So destroying property, expensive property is a petty active terrorism, Greg,
can you believe that? I mean, this show is done
in front of a live audience. Live audience in this
daily show is seeing the acts of vandalism, and they're cheering.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I mean, folks, so I guess if we went and
found Colbert's car and we just went into face it
caught it on fire, It's just petty.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just petty. Don't worry about it. It's just a small,
minor little.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Thing, nothing wrong with it. Nothing to see here, folks.
This is what you know. The the selective outrage, selective
logic of political violence and its place in America is
just it's it's offensive. I mean, I can easily say
I'm opposed to political violence without regard to political persuasion
or side. I don't like any I condemn all of it.

(31:39):
They don't. They actually this is their go to. This
is what they do they destroyed. They did it in
the spring of twenty twenty. They're doing it now, and
it's and it's and again, it's organized. It's not viral,
it's not organic. It's not just sporadic people deciding to
do the same thing. These are things that people have
planned and they're trying to It's still fear in the
American people and make them recoil away from whatever it is.

(32:02):
It's causing this kind of a political violence. I hope
it backfires. I think it is. I don't think anyone
see I think everyone sees through it at this point.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, well, you know, I'd like to get our listener
and their reaction. What should we do with these folks?
String them up?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
They should be arrested.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I tell you what. They arrested people pro life protests. Yes,
they didid edition. Yeah, so why should they be treated
any differently? All right?

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Worse?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, your calls, your comments on the Roden Graig Show.
Eighty eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero.
What do you do about these teslaer these violent protesters? Here?
Calls and comments coming up. We just got some good news.
We are one of three finalists in the Best of
Salt Lake City Radio Awards, our radio show one of

(32:47):
three final Best of SLC Awards. We are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
We are now at least award winning nominees. Right where
nominees were finalists, finalists, we're not. We didn't get They
didn't tell us if we one or not. So then
we got to sit there. What if we didn't win
and we got to I've gotta be all nice.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
You want me to be gracious? Yeah, you got a
smile and Cloud is not you. I think it's gracious
and you no oxy moros.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
That's that's a risk going to this thing. We're You know,
there was quite a number of radios spanning different kinds
of genre and formats formats of music, and we're down
to three.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
There's three exciting and I'm.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Not even mentioned in our competition. All you need to know, folks,
is that we're we're one of the fun one of
the fun pree finalists.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
All right, we're talking about what's taking place with Tesla
right now, the attacks on Tesla dealerships. People that own
cars have them parked in their driveways, are out in
the street. You know, Pam Bondi announced today making a
major announcement regarding some of the tesla's. They've found them
and they are going to go at them, after them
with a full force of law. We want to get
your opinion as to what's going on here and what

(33:52):
should be done. Let's begin tonight. We go to Casey,
who's in West Valley, who has been waiting patiently. Casey,
how are you welcome to the Rodden Greg Show. Thanks
for joining us, Casey. Let's see Okay, well have Casey, Casey.
We'll have you call back here in just a second

(34:13):
if you will. Just a minor technical problem that we
need to adjust the studio. But you know, people are
out there, Greg and they're just you know, they're saying, yeah,
all right, all right. Let's go to Glenn. I think
we've met Glenn in provo. Glenn's up and he's joining
us on the show. Glenn, how are you thanks for
joining us?

Speaker 14 (34:30):
I'm well thanks. I'm a retired firefighter. And something that
a lot of people don't understand is that arson is
an extremely serious crime. It's right up there with manslaughter,
attempted murder, aggravated assault, and people can because innocent folks
and firefighters can be killed or seriously injured in fires,

(34:51):
and people that are convicted of arson go away for
a long long time, and it'll be it'll be kind
of neat to see this happen to these arsonists.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well as they should. Now, Glenn, you may have more
knowledge on this than I do, but I have understood
when there's a fire in one of these electric vehicles,
because of their lithium batteries, the smoke the fire from
that very dangerous and very difficult for firefighters to put out.
Am I reading that right?

Speaker 14 (35:19):
Well, I've been out of the business for sixteen years
and electric cars weren't around when I retired, so I'm
not really up on that.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I'm sorry, No, that's all right. I appreciate that. You're right.
The severity of the penalty and to your point, so dangerous,
very different than spray painting a wall or a building.
To facing it that way, the fire it does put
the firefighters at risk, the public at risk, and so
it is it is a crime that it should be
a pro.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Very serious crime, very serious crime. You're right. Let's go
to it.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Thank you, Glenn.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Thank you, Glenn. Let's go to Casey in West Valley.
See if Casey can join us tonight. Casey, how are
you welcome to the Rotting Gregg Show.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Well, thanks for having me on, and I think you
guys should win that award.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
First off, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Brother.

Speaker 15 (36:07):
This is a textbook definition of domestic terrorism right where
you have people going around and it's the unlawful use
of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit
of political gains.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
This is exactly what it is and that's what it
should be prosecuted as.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
And Casey, I don't know if you saw it, but
there's a website that was up for a while yesterday
that actually had names and addresses of Tesla owners. I'm
not sure how that information was gleaned in addition to
the Tesla dealership addresses in all fifty states. And then
people that like our data Republican who we haven't had
on the show, her husband owns a distillery that was

(36:49):
also listed on this website for the purpose of having
people vandalize and you know, bring violence to those either
Tesla owners, those dealership, or those that they targeted in
their maps. And so I think it's I think it's organized.
I think it's very it's not. It's not just random.
It is an organized effort to terrorize and to create

(37:11):
fear in this country. And you know, ideal docs it is.
And I'm telling you, I don't know how many of
your friends feel that this the fix is in, but
this the reason the fear grows is we think, wow,
people are just so mad. No, people are not mad.
This is a very small group of people who's whose
flow of funds have been interrupted, that they ill gotten funds,

(37:34):
and they are the ones pushing out this fear and
trying to create something a perception that's not real.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, pretty much. You're right.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
And because they're pushing that, they should be prosecuted as well.
The ones who are running the doxing websites, the political
elected officials who are calling for people to go to
the streets and do this kind of stuff, they should
be penalized with supporting uh terrorist activities as well.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
We can only hope you're right on call, Thank you, Katy.
All right, we need to take a break, but more
calls coming up, Thank you, Casey. More calls coming up
right here on the Rod On Greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS, Big
day today, a lot going on. We had b Yu.
It's got a big win today in the n C
two A tournament. They move on.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
We're big winners. Rod.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
We've been named this finalists.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
He Ray's got his tucks ready to go. You know
this is a black tie. This is a swanky affair. Okay,
it's on April sixteenth. You gotta we gotta wear you touched.
Don't get ready to.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Go Las six rain?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
What this is?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
We've been named finalists in the Best of Salt Lake
City Best of SLC Awards and Recognition for a radio show. Yes, yeah,
and one of three finalists.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
One of the three finalists. It was a mighty It
was a very competitive field. You know that we had
to overcome to get to the award show. And we're
really ward show and I'm just Eray is just beside himself,
not knowing what to wear. He doesn't know whether he
wants to go bow tie, if you want to go
a long black time.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He is just h He's beside himself.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
He is just searching the wardrobe. He's just trying to
figure out what to wear. I can't wait. We're gonna go.
We're gonna have a blast.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
The awards dinner is what in April? Yeah, April sixteens,
you get to wear your tucks that you're always bragging about,
big major prize. You better believe it.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Well, all right, shall we go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
We're we're gelay, that's the major award.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Now we shouldn't talk down to them because they may
not give us the award.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
No, we're not talking down.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
We're just we're you're talking down. I'mage my bets. You
kiss it, don't win. Yeah, okay, all right, we're talking
you right now. Getting your phone calls about vandalism being
directed toward Tesla owners and Tesla dealerships. What should we
be doing with them? Eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero or on your cell phone to
out pound two to fifty and say hey, Rod, shall

(39:53):
we go to the phone.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yes, let's go to the smartest listeners in all the land.
Let's go to Nancy in Bountiful. Nancy, thank you for
holding it, and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Oh okay, we're having ten like we did with Casey.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
We're having we'll get it fixed out, We'll get it
figure it out. But Nancy, we'll have you call back
if you will, and then we'll be able to get
you on the show. We know you've been waiting, so
we apologize for that, but please call back and we'll
get you on the show here in just a minute.
But this stuff, Greg, you know, Republicans, conservatives have been
upset about a number of issues in this country. Now

(40:32):
everyone's going to put a point to January sixth. Well,
see you do the same thing. You and I have
condemned that, yes, and I think most people in America
thought that was way out of line. You can have
a political protest, but when it becomes violent, you have
crossed the line. And we know that's what happened on
January sixth.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Well, here's I would go back further, Rod, I would say,
prior to January sixth, in twenty twenty, when we had
the the riots, what's his name? What's he? I shouldn't
say it that way. The guy that got killed, the
George Floyd, George Floyd. Okay, So we have all these riots.
We saw what they called autonomous Capitol Hill autonomous zones

(41:12):
chaz zones where they were not recognizing any laws and
people were people were killed inside these chaz zones. They
were government buildings destroyed, private property destroyed. It developed there
was this idea that somehow this was just part of protesting.
And then I think in January sixth, leading up to that,
you had some false flags, you had some people gin
and other people up, and again you saw political violence

(41:33):
in a way we don't condone yet you know it's
it's the way the left operates.

Speaker 15 (41:37):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
All right, let's go back to the phone. Let's go
to Nancy, who's in battle full. We've been able to
hook up with Nancy. Nancy, how are you? And welcome
to the rotten great show. Your thoughts on this, Nancy?
Two thoughts?

Speaker 16 (41:49):
Aren't you guys the only show that should be awarded?

Speaker 5 (41:51):
I mean, you guys, are it?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Thank you smart?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
You're just trying to butter us up, Nancy, But thank you.

Speaker 16 (41:59):
I'm just saying, there's Glenn, there's the Rush Boys, There's Sean,
and then there's Rod and his wingman.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Bet you got it, you got it, You got it, Nancy,
your thoughts on what's going on with Tesla?

Speaker 9 (42:14):
Happened?

Speaker 16 (42:14):
The Democrats taught people that this is acceptable. You look
at Black Lives Matter, what happened to all of those
people that caused that vandalism. I didn't see one thing
happened to them.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah. Antifa, Yeah, Black Lives matter. They fact you had,
just like you're seeing tonight or over the week, you
have these talking heads praising them. You had back then
in twenty twenty, you had Kamala Harris having a GoFundMe
for their bail. They were all heroes destroying property.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, well in burning it down. Yeah, you mentioned George
Floyd remember in Seattle. Yeah, the protesters took over a
city block, a city neighborhood, took over a police station.
I've never heard any punishment being handed all in that regard.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
You know when they didn't that Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone,
didn't didn't acknowledge or recognize any laws Nash, you know,
federal laws, state laws, county laws, city laws. Where was
the talk of insurrection then? I never heard it all?
It was all heroic.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, Nancy. Thank you very much for
your comments here on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k and R
as Big News today, the President, of course, signing an
executive order saying to the education Department Bye bye, yep.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I think it's now we have seven hundred plus district
judges that federal judges that might want to be president
and say no and try to stop it. But so far,
so good that you can get rid of you can
start to dismantle the Department of Education, which is long overdue.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's long overdue. So we're all talk more
about that as well. But I hope the vandalism just
you know, I fear Greg, it's only going to get worse.
Bet Donald Trump and Elon Musk are not slowing down.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
They're not. I don't know that. I think we've got
a good attorney general on pambo bound. I think, and
I think that there's a law enforcement and public safe is.
I think we've learned a lot since twenty twenty, and
i'd hope that you wouldn't see this get out of
hand like we saw it back five years ago.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I would hope not. All Right, back to the
phones as we go. Let's see, we've got Dane in
roy tonight on the Rotten Gregg Show. Dane, how are you?
Thanks very much for joining us, and good.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
Thanks for having me help you guys having a good evening.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah we are, thank you, you know. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
we're here.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
Okay, sorry about that. My thought is just that it
kind of, you know, the subject that's going on right now,
but the Trump and the education system and all these
statistics on how bad the education system is based on
the amount of money spent, and I think this Tesla
centric proves that point. When you think about the costs

(44:52):
that are involved. You know that they're doing the fact
that the insurance companies will likely cover most of that,
and how that will get passed down to the individual
and if they don't know that and and take that
into account, then that just kind of goes to show
and prove that they don't have a good education on economics.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Because I think that the larger point isn't the damage
that they're causing. They certainly want to cause damage to dealerships,
to Tesla owners of cars, they wanted to face them.
But what they're really trying to the people that are
funding this effort. What they're trying to do is make
people fearful overall, have a much more broad effect in
terms of influencing the decisions that people make that what

(45:38):
the general population makes by way of decisions and whether
they think of elon Mosk or Doge and positive ways
or negative ways. If you keep pushing the American publican
ways that are dangerous and are violent it they're hoping
that that that causes people to think negatively of and
they want a dog or a president Trum.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
They won't.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
All.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Right, more of your calls and comments coming Kaka.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Ghaney River in Pittsburgh, in Pence, Southwest Pennsylvania. I've been
whitewater rafting, so don't act like I have.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's nothing compared to what you'd get in there.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
It's more dangerous than this what.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
The Yakamaki or what do you call yaka? Yeah, more
dangerous and going through the Green Canyon, probably the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I mean I would imagine, yes, I would imagine that.
So I'm a I'm a seasoned veteran.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
You're such an outdoor type. They're really in your element
here today, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
We're supposed to be can't yet I'm totally in my element.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Uh huh huh. Big news coming out of Washington today.
Conservative politicians have talked about this at nauseum, right, and
we're talking about eliminating the education Department. Well, Donald Trump,
who is not afraid to do the things that he
told the American people he would do, stepped up today.
It looked like between several children at a school desk

(46:56):
signed an executive order calling for the elimination of the
Department of Education.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
They all had their own executive board. They were kind
of signing their own too. It was kind of it
was cute.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
He took out that big old black pan that he
likes to sign the eos with and he signed it today.
We're going to dig into that in the coming hour
here on the Rodd and Greg Show as we continue
our live broadcast today from the International Sportsman's Expo. A
lot to see and we invite you to come on by.
They'll be here through Sunday, So come on, Bob, have

(47:25):
a good time. All right, More coming up our number three,
The Roden Greg Show coming up.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
We've got a nice little.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
We have a follow up, and I think the outcome
is good, isn't It is a very good outcome. Stay
with us. We'll tell you what that is. Big day today. Finally,
promise made, promise kept. Donald Trump signed in an executive
order today, Greg, eliminating the Department of education. How long,
greg have conservative politicians talked about this forever?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I would say forever. That would be to be precise, forever. Yes,
since they passed the bill, I guess, or created the department.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, I want to take you back. This is one
politician who conservatives admire his zame as Ronald Drake. Yes,
in nineteen eighty two, as President of the United States,
in his State of the Union address, he made this announcement, we.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
Must cut out more non essential government spending and root
out more waste, and we will continue our efforts to
reduce the number of employees in the federal workforce.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
By seventy five thousand.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
The budget plan I submit to you on February eighth
will realize major savings by dismantling the Departments of Energy
and Education and by eliminating ineffective subsidies for business.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well, you can ask yourself what took everybody so long?
The great communicator talked about it back in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I'm so tired of people saying, oh wrong, We're going
to be rolling in his grave over Donald Trump. Donald
Trump's actually delivering on something that Ronald Reagan talked about
and wanted to see happen. He had the Grace Commission
looking the cut federal spending. He did a great attempt
to do a great job, did as well as you
could do. But now you see Trump taking it to
a new level. It sure is. It's happy days.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Well, basically what he has done now is said, hey, States,
you pick up the ball and carry this. Joining us
on our Newsmaker line right now to talk about that
is Andrew Handel. Andrew is the director of the Educational
Workforce Development Task Force with the American Legislative Exchange Council.
He's joining us on our Newsmaker line right now. Andrew,
how are you? I guess he's going to leave it

(49:36):
up to the states. Can the States take it over?
Do you think? Andrew?

Speaker 17 (49:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me on.
And yeah, the States have been clamoring for this for
I guess you could say decades since the Department was
first created in nineteen seventy nine. So yeah, the States
are ready willing, they're excited, and we're really looking forward
to working with our member law makers to help make

(50:02):
education freedom or reality for families around the country.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
You know, one of the things that made this issue
difficult was even if so. In Utah, Department of Education
funding represents eight percent of our education budget, which eight
percents less than ten That sounds like that number wouldn't
be significant, but it does amount to over six hundred
million dollars. And so the idea of getting rid of
the Department of Education, when you looked at what six

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hundred million dollars brought statewide to our schools, always seemed
like a heavier lift than people might have imagined. But
I think what the President's looking to do, and Andrew,
this is where I'd love your insight. I don't think
that there's six hundred million less coming to the state
of Utah. I think that he's pointing to the states
and the money they would otherwise pay in federal taxes
or have block granted back, actually having the states use

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those dollars for special education or for free and reduced lunch.
Is that how you're seeing it as well?

Speaker 6 (50:55):
That is exactly it.

Speaker 17 (50:57):
Yeah, yeah, So, I mean since nineteen seventy nine, the
department has spent over you know, three trillion dollars, and
I mean, look at what we have to show for it, right,
I mean, fourth and eighth grade reading scores, for example,
since we started tracking those in the early nineteen nineties,
somehow they're lower today than they were in the early
nineteen nineties. So clearly, this whole system is just broken

(51:20):
and it needs to change. But to your point, the
President made it clear in his announcement today. He specifically
said that programs like pelgrants, Title I funding, special education funding,
those are all core essential services that are not going
to go anywhere. The amount of money going to the
States is not going to change. What they're really looking
to do here is find efficiencies.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Right.

Speaker 17 (51:42):
This is a doze effort in the Department of Education
to figure out you know, okay, you know. The best
example I can give is if you have a program
where the department is spending let's say fifty million dollars
on administrative expenses, Well, what if you got that number
down to ten million. You know, now that's another forty
million dollars can send that actually gets to students in

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a classroom somewhere. So that's exactly what they're trying to do.
And obviously they'll try to shift some of these programs
other agencies. Time will tell where those end up, but
nothing's going to change in the short run from a
programs and funding perspective.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Andrew, one of the frustrations I've heard from educators here
in the state of Utah when it comes to the
Department of Education. You know, they love to take the
money and use the money to benefit their schools. But
their argument is, there are so many strings attached as
to how we use the money and the programs we
can use the money on. It's very, very frustrating to them.
Is that one of the issues.

Speaker 17 (52:36):
Do you feel, Yeah, that's a massive issue, and you know, frankly,
I think it's the major sticking point and why you
know this administration is taking such a strong stand to
close the department. You know, I mean, the best way
I can put it is, you know, what's best in
education policy for Utah might not be what's best in

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education for Florida. Yes, you know, the reality is every
state is so unique in its own way. Local communities
are so unique, and it just doesn't work having a
singular federal bureaucracy overseeing all of.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
This and saying, you know, yeah, we'll.

Speaker 17 (53:13):
Give you this grant money, but in exchange, you have
to change your policies and you have to teach a
certain way, and you have to use certain curriculum, whatever
the strings are. You know, the reality is it's not
going to work for every student, and it's not going
to work for every state. So you know, that's probably
the best part of all this is that you know,
President Trump, you know, you said promises, made.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Promises kept. That's exactly it.

Speaker 17 (53:35):
He said he wanted to send education back to the States,
and that's what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You know, Andrew, I've had a gut full of over
seven hundred district judges, federal judges that want to be
president of the United States, and it seems like every
time at President Trump makes some headway, does some things
that accomplishes some things that he campaigned on that the
people want him to do. There's some federal judge out
there that wants to say, you're not allowed to and
I get to decide what happens. What do the tea

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leaves say to you about the Department of Education? Are
we going to wake up tomorrow and some federal judges
going to say kings X doesn't count. I say that
the department has to live on and you have to
spend and do it as it's been done before. Do
you think that's going to happen in this space, as
we're seeing it happen in other spaces that the administration
is working on.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Sure.

Speaker 17 (54:19):
Sure, yeah, well, you know, I guess I would say
I wouldn't be shocked if there was some kind of
a lawsuit filed. You know, that's probably to be expected
from opponents of this. But that being said, though, I mean,
the way the executive Order is structured in of itself,
it makes it clear that the President wants the Secretary
of Education to take whatever steps she had within her
legal authority to start dismantling that bureaucracy. So you know,

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that's a very important sentence there within her legal authority.
And you know, the reality is he is the chief executive.
You know, he is in charge of this department, and
you know that I think this is something voters want
to see. They want to see education head back to
the state. So you know, I don't want to try
to predict the future, but you know, I imagine it
would stand a pretty strong chance if it was challenged.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Let me ask you this question, how long is it
going to take? I mean, could we see a change,
a big change within a year. How long do you
think it's going to take sure.

Speaker 17 (55:18):
Yeah, you know, I'm honestly not sure how long it's
going to take. I think the administration is going to
move as rapidly as they can to wind down and
transfer out whatever programs and funding they're able to. But
the big question mark right now is Congress. You know,
I know Senator Cassidy from Louisiana has already publicly said

(55:38):
that he's going to introduce a bill to wind the
department down. So the question is going to be, you know,
when do those bill get introduced and how quickly do
they move through that process, because in order to complete
a total dismantling of the Department and the bureaucracy there,
it will take an Act of Congress, So you know,
we'll love to see how quickly they choose to move

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on on it.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Well, we appreciate your time. That's an important day for
a lot of people out there who've been, you know,
doing whatever they can to make this happen, and Donald
Trump did it today. Andrew, thank you very much for
a few minutes of your time tonight.

Speaker 17 (56:13):
Absolutely anytime.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
All right. Andrew Handel, Director of Education and Workforce Development
Task Force with the American Legislative Exchange Council, and you
worked with the with ALEC, quite for ALEC with when
you were in the legislature.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
The phenomenal organization rode. They they they bring all the
states lawmakers together and they're they're right of stent, they're
conservative by nature. But best practice is best legislation. That
has really moved the needle in smart ways. Lawmakers from
across the country get together through conferences to American and
Legislative Exchange Council organizes, and that's where this free flow

(56:50):
of ideas happened. If they if the states are laboratories
for democracy and good policy, ALEC, that organization, it's the
it's the it's the lab where you go to.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Well, is it seventeen years that WEEP ranked number one
in their annual survey.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Of states the Rich States for States?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yes, it is, yeah, seventeen years.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I think yeah, Utah has a has a good we
have a good track record and a great relationship with
the American Legislative Exchange Council as well.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
And we've been talking today Greg about vandalism, what's going
on in this country. But I think we have got
a great story to share with people right now.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Great, it's a national story, but with a local touch.
The Rod and Greg shows maybe Favorite Patriots, you know,
citizen patriot, citizen soldier, Data Republican where she made her
debut being interviewed on our program first before going national.
She's the one that's really put the search engine together

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for the work the DOGE is doing and the other
publicly available information about nonprofits and go's and has put
away so you can see the flow charts. So it
really does bring transparency to the way the money has
been skirted and been shuffling around to non profits NGOs
and how they've been profiting from that. It has made
her a target.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah, Ron, it has. And the only thing she did,
Greg was take the information that Elon Musk and the
DOAGE team had provided. She dug deeper. She told us
during our interview that she identified was eight NGOs that
were really using and wasting American money, and all of
a sudden she got national attention, and unfortunately some bad

(58:26):
national attention.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
She was doxed, and so Rolling Stone did a story
about her, and then the Salt Lake Tribune shamelessly named
her husband, her her husband and his business in their
store and so he got his business was doxed. And
then there was this doge quest we talked about where
they took this national map showing all the Tesla dealerships,
people who owned Teslas, their names, addresses encouraging violence. And

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then they had some businesses like that a Republican's husband's business.
It's a distillery that they wanted to see targeted as well.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Well.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Today, it's just while we've been on the air, data
Republican had an update this, so she says, So two
days ago, the doxing website doge Quest, primed by an
article from the salt Ly Tribune, slapped my husband's distillery
front and center in an attempt to intimidate and silence me.
To be honest, it did get me down. And congratulations,

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they might have achieved their goal. We have just we
might we might just have to shudder the whole operation
because my husband just now notified me our entire inventory
got nearly cleared out in forty eight hours flat. That's
purchased his his multi year productions, all of which he

(59:41):
personally oversaw and toiled over all bought out in a
blink of an eye. Terrorists lose this round. I have
and she says, I have a great feeling that this
is going to similarly backfire against TESLA. So here you
have us, us the people. This is our response to

(01:00:01):
the way they're trying to attack good people that are
trying to bring transparency and bring the rain in. This
government is unsustainable made, you know, try to demonize them
and tried to harm this person's her husband's business and
people have rallied and he's sold out. I didn't even
get a chance. I was just going to go buy
it just to help, and it's all gone and everybody's purchase.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I was going to say, there's our chance to go
by a fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I know, I was going to set up a dry
bar right in the studio, you know, and just to
be a patriot, just to put.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
In the studio and say look it, we're supporting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yes. And now it's all been It's a complete inventory
has been purchased by a great story. Yeah, and there
were some laws that kept that, remember that. I thought
they found a way to do it anyway. It's it's
a great story of people that are responding to that
type of terrorist activity in a positive way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Just another example. Greg, I really think when you attack
Americans and the values that they hold and believe in. Yes,
and you challenge him, they are going to fight back,
fight back peacefully. They do not need to set cars
on fire or spray paint buildings. They're going to fight
back in their own way. And look what they've done here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, and don't get baited by these these democrats that
want you to act the way they are the way
the way they've done it here, and that is people
went and where they were trying to destroy a business,
people went and lifted that business up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And story, what a great, great story is It hit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Me into it. It's gonna get me into a tesla
if it doesn't keep going, and I don't want to
test it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
If I'm gonna buy one by one just in case, Yes,
justin CA's all right, that's a great story. By the way,
kudos to all of you who went out there and
helped support this man in his business that was being
attacked and docks by the Salt Lake Tribune because of
the work that his wife was doing to show waste
and abuse in the federal government. All Right, more coming
up on the Rod and Great Show and Utah's Talk

(01:01:54):
Radio one oh five nine k and r as Donald Trump,
he just must be your every Democrat out there. Today
he meets another promise, he says, I will take a
part the Department of Education. He has taken that first
step today to do just that. Donald Trump is irritating people.
And the Democrats, Greg, I think you would agree. They

(01:02:16):
don't know what to do right now. They are lost.
They're looking for a leader. They think AOC is the
leader of the party now, which is a frightening Yeah,
you and I agree. Just keep on digging, Just keep
on digging talking, Let me keep on talking. Well, if
you look at this, President Trump is polling surprisingly well.
According to the Napole Ocean naple Litton News Service, Trump's

(01:02:42):
job approval rating right now is at fifty four percent.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I don't think he was ever over fifty with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I don't think he ever got above the mid forties
in his first term. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Well, like
I said, Democrats are trying to figure out what to do.
And this one Democratic congressman, his name is Seth Moulton,
he represents Massachusetts, was on MSNBC the other day and
he said basically that the party has lost it's constantly

(01:03:12):
scolding Americans. E Ray, I think it's cut number two
on the button bar Seth Moulton on CNN talking about
where Democrats have lost it in their demise. Here's what
he had. Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 12 (01:03:24):
We've become a party of people who preach down to others,
you know, who scold them, who say, if you don't
agree with me, you're not only wrong, but you're a
bad person. I mean, I think all of us have
heard that attitude from many national Democrats in the past
couple of years. So I think we need to stop
preaching and start listening, start meeting Americans where they are.

(01:03:47):
Don't take these minority positions on cultural issues and say, hey,
if you don't meet this strict liberal litmus test, then
you're not even a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I don't even think that's going to happen. I don't
think anything like he described he is going to have time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
That guy's not going to be a Democrat long because
they're going to kick him right out of that party.
Talking like that. Yeah, I mean, if they're not yelling
at you, and if you don't suffer from a moral
or intellectual failing, then you're not a Democrat, at least
that version that's out there. So he said that we
have to stop talking down to people. They also have
to stop burning down the Tesla dealerships. I think that's
that would be a good start. That would be a

(01:04:22):
good start to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah. I mean, like I said, the Democrats are searching
trying to figure out who they are. They're on the
wrong side of the eight twenty issues, meaning they're defending
the twenty percent. Well eighty percent of Americans think they're wrong.
They can't deal with any of that, Greg And I
don't know what it's going to take to for them
to dig out of it. Not that I want them to,

(01:04:44):
but you know, I don't know what it's going to take.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I just say, let him speak. Look, some of the
some of Trump's strongest supporters were Democrats in twenty twenty
three to twenty four, and they didn't change. They haven't
changed their philosophical position. Democrats kicked them out of the party.
They want. They didn't want Telsea Gabbard in there. They
didn't want RFK Junior in there. They didn't want Joe
Rogan in there. They didn't want Elon Muskin there. Yeah,
but they they're saying they're kind of the same people. Yeah,

(01:05:07):
so you know, I I just say the Republican Party
more than ever has been the party of the average
everyday American.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Is they I love it? Yeah? Is there a Democrat
out there that the American people even admire? You know,
that would be pretty tough to find.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I think the governor of Pennsylvania Shapiro, Josh Shapiro. But
he's got he's got a Jewish you know, that party
that's going to be. That was why I wasn't picked
as a running mate for Kamalo. But no, he's actually
a popular governor in Pennsylvania and that's a swing state.
But I don't know, I don't I honestly think the
AOC wing of the party is doesn't have any time

(01:05:44):
for him or this guy we just you played. That's
Seth Malten. He's kick on borrowed time. They're kicking him
out right away.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
We talked about this earlier. AOC. She is posturing herself.
I think she's going to primary Chuck Schumer. Yeah, I
really think when is he up twenty eight?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I believe that guy's been a public se he's been
a full time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Public ser for fortyday nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Since nineteen seventy six, that guy has been He's never worked,
went out of law school, and his work is never
worked in the private sector. Ever, he didn't even get
even pass the bar. He went from law school to
becoming a full time New York assemblyman, then a congressman,
then a US Senator forty nine years. So if AOC doesn't,
if he doesn't die of old age, she's going to
kick him out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Yeah, she will, she will. So Democratic Party certainly has
a lot of challenges ahead. I didn't know you. I
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Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I am more than you.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
You even been a Lake Powell. I don't even know
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Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
You don't even have to be an outdoors You got
to go to Lake Powell.

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That's true. You don't that's true. Yeah, thank you for Yeah,
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(01:07:08):
five South State Street here in Sandy. All right, we
got we gotta have a ball with this. By the way,
I guess they do this every year. I'm trying to
the organization. Oh, the latest World Happiness Report is out. Okay,
would you like to guess what the happiest country in
the world is? Right now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Man? I think you know it goes back being a
pig in the mud is happy. So you don't know
any better. So I'd say it's like I don't know
ken Kenya, Yeah, any different, right, They're just they're out
there hanging out with the It's like a safari every day.
They don't care, they don't know any different.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
It just so happens to be Finland, says who. Well
this World Happiness Report.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Man, you know you got to quit getting your news
off of, you know, social media. That's definitely so Finland's
the happiest country.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah, And Finland takes the top spot once again for
the eighth consecutive year in the latest World Happiness Report.
Norda country to dominate the top of the list, with
Denmark and second, Iceland in third. How can be happy
in Iceland country? And there's no happy how can you
be see? I don't understand why Trump is so hot

(01:08:20):
on getting Iceland strategic militarily Greenland, Greenland, that's right, Greenland,
but ice cream. I got them mixed up with ice
Iceland is smaller.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah. I like Greenland, not because it's just strategic. You
got to control those shipping routes as well as you
got Russia up there. You got you just it's it's
a smart play. I like that more than Canada. I
don't want Canada. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine them
getting senators and all those members of Congress and they
that population where senate in our congress?

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Forget it. The UK came in twenty third, twenty third,
but appy, he's a happy person.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Happy, he's very happy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
She's a happy person. And the United States came in
twenty fourth. We have fell to our lowest ever position.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
It's because we're spoiled. We have a great quality of
life in this country. We should be the happiest.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
That's great country.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Because people are soft. You see a spoiled little rich
kids runing around crying all the time. They're rich, They
shouldn't be crying, but they do because they're spoiled.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
They're spoiled. We aren't tough as we used to be. Unfortunately,
maybe that's why we're not happy.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
Easy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
That could be it, all right, that does it for
us tonight, As we say each and every night, head up,
shoulders back, May God bless you and your family. That's
great country of ours. Swing on by the International Sports
Expo this weekend. We're back tomorrow