The Rod and Greg Show: Democrats Silence; Government Agency Spending; Revolutionizing Washington

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, you know, we gotta get tap the brakes little,
but we gotta have a spring. You know, I don't
want to do that's true forty to eighty.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah. My wife always says that. She said we'll go
from cold to ninety Ye.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
No, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now we do want a little spring. How are you,
every buddy? Welcome to the Rotten Greg Show. With you
on this Monday afternoon. Great to be with you on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Cannas.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm rod Arquette, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Have a nice weekend. You were down south?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Did Southern Command post?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yes? But I'm going to tell our good listeners this.
I'm done talking about environmental issues. I'm just done. I
will not have one conversation about green new deals, climate
nothing until the EPA, of which you know has grown
enormously in budget during the Biden years, does something about Tijuana,

(00:48):
Mexico's using the Pacific Ocean as its sewage treatment plan.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
That's really got you.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
It has closed the beaches in Imperial Beach, Coronado. A
thousand days these beach have been closed. Now, I don't
know how anyone that's liberal in California. Can can see
the signs, the yellow signs saying you can't get in
the water. There's too much so human feces in there
to get in the water. And they want to talk
about your car, about your carbon footprint. How about we

(01:16):
talk about the what's going on inside that that Pacific Ocean.
It cannot be a toilet. It cannot be a toilet.
Just that's that's job one. If you don't want to
talk about that, then I don't want to have a
conversation with you about anything about the environment. I want
to talk about plastic, you know, paper straws. I don't
want to talk about anything other than stop letting Mexico
use the Pacific Ocean as a toilet so that you

(01:37):
cannot get inside the water, get in the water on
the beach.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I've got to find an article that I saw over
the weekend for you and let you read it. There
was some scientist somewhere who basically said, all this climate
change stuff is just a bunch of bunk. Do not
believe a word of it.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, yeah, and you know you can worry about are
these yellow signs up everywhere? How gross is that? And
the poor Navy seals they're supposed to train, and that
they're getting sick in that ocean. Yeah, big, the ocean
is for that to get that bad. So I don't
know adult conversations about good stewardship of the environment until
that gets fixed. That is that has to get off

(02:13):
the list ship to check that box, or I'm not
having one conversation with anyone about any of it.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Feel better now, yes? Okay, okay? Shall we talk about
what we're going to be talking about today?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
All right, coming up, here's what we're going to be
talking about with you today as you work your way home.
The Democrats amazing how quiet they are with all these
attacks on teams. You hear the crickets, crickets, man, crickets
out there. Surprise, surprise. Joe Biden's led federal government went
on a huge spending spree before he left office. We'll

(02:45):
get into that a little bit later on. We'll talk
about how the President Donald Trump is revolutionizing Washington and
later on education freedom grades, what does that mean, what's
that all about? And some interesting analysis over the weekend,
and we'll talk about this with our listeners. Greg coming
up at the five o'clock Cowary David Schure, who is
a Democratic pollster, has been really digging into some numbers

(03:08):
as to what happened in twenty twenty four and what's
going to You know what he has found out, gen
Z is the most conservative generation that this country has
had in forty and sixty years.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
What age demographic is general eighteen to twenty four. Wow, Yeah,
it's Mike Kittenz.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
We'll talk We'll talk to you about that as well,
But we want to say something first of all about
me A Love, Utah's history making former congressman, died at
the age of forty nine yesterday, surrounded by her family.
She's been battling brain cancer for a number of years now,
and a lot of people are remembering me a Love.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, she was a friend of mine. We worked together
when I was a public servant. At last I had
seen her. We were both electors in the twenty twenty
presidential election. We're both elected to be electors for the
Electoral College. So we met the Capitol to cast our
votes for Donald Trump in that election. For this on
behalf of the state of Utah. So we have some
pictures together. Then I spent a lot of conventions Republican

(04:03):
conventions with her. She came up as a as a
as a city council member, and then as a mayor
of Saratoga Springs, I believe. And then I ran for
Congress in twelve twenty twelve and didn't win against Jim Matheson.
Then that seat became an open seat Jam Matheson when
he retired the other I think, yeah, and or he
moved to a differency. I can't remember, but but that

(04:24):
was an open seat. She won in twenty fourteen and
then held that seat for two terms. Yeah, anyway, and
then she went on. But anyway, she was she was
always fun to be around, and she's she was a
great person in forty nine just.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Way way too ye wait, too, yay to you. I
remember Mia because we were on with me early in
her campaign and we became good friends. And when the
Pope came to Washington to address a joint session of
Congress I think John Bayner was the Speaker of the
House at the time, Nea Love called me and invited
me back to Washington and got me a seat in
the gallery to hear the Pope speak to Congress. Wow,
And I thought that was really really nice of her.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
So she did that because she knew you Catholic school days. Yeah,
we shared her the scars on her knuckles from the nuns.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
But she kept on saying to me, She said, on
these important events, Rod, as much as I possibly can,
I want to bring back Utahn's to Washington so they
can be part of these events, which was always very
nice for her, right thought Utah Cender Mike Lee, we
just saw this come across and we'll play a portion
of this on the Senate floora today paid a little
tribute to me a love.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
No matter how hard things were at Washington, Washington, at
any given time, every single time I saw Mia, she
had a smile on her face. She had words of
encouragement for me and for everyone around her. Whether they
agreed with her on a particular issue or not, she
was there offering encouragement and a way forward. It's the
kind of leader we all benefit from knowing, and a

(05:44):
kind of friend that I feel very blessed to have made.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Mike Lee on the floor of the Senate today speaking
about speaking about mea love.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, there's a former colleague of mine. Send me a picture.
So when it was announced that she was responding well
to Cant for treatment for her cancer. That if we
had pictures or that we'd like to send to the family,
we all do. So we a former colleague sent me
a picture and I'm making this face at our Republican

(06:14):
House Caucus. It's because she's she's very boldly defending the
separate and equal power of the legislative branch to the
executive branch at the time, and I was was quite
surprised by the by how strong it was, because you know,
Congress isn't really known for them. They seem to be
punting a lot. But she was very very passionate about that,
and so had a I had this look on my

(06:35):
face as she was speaking. So she's in the picture
and I'm looking at a colleague like, whoa, look at this?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
This is something so well, well, Mike Lee just mentioned
she always had a smile on her face. Someone who
did not have a smile on their face yesterday was
one Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
You know, yeah, well he's yeah, tough day, didn't he?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, tough day. Sat down with Jonathan Jonathan Hard I
believe it is whatever from ABC News, all right, Jonathan
Carl and had was little upset when when Carl asked
him this question.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Alexandra is extraordinary. I am so impressed by her work
in Congress and her just she inspires young people all
over the country.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Would you like to see her joining in the Senate?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Right now? We have, as I said, just a whole
lot of people in the Congress. Okaynn thanks, Hey, I
got one one.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Molest is important.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, I asked you, Okay, you know you want to
do nonsense.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Do nonsense. No, I don't want to talk about inside
the beltway stuff. I got thirty two thousand people.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I was just asking you about AOC because she was out. Fine,
but I don't want to talk about this. What was
the last question?

Speaker 5 (07:39):
I was going to ask him one more question about you.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I mean that's all.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
This was literally lost.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
What is your question? Well, I mean it's he's sitting
back down now because he got out of his tear
and left for a minute. I mean, I want to
ask you about your future. This is the biggest crowd.
You said you ran for president twice. This is the
biggest crowd you've ever seen. Are we going to see
you run again? What's your what's your faure? Right now?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I'm very proud that the people in the state of
Romont sent me back to the Senate with sixty three
percent of the work right now for a month's senator.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's what I do, and I'm very happy to do it.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I am eighty three years of age, so and I'm torried, Alexandra.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
There you go, well eighty three and he's tired.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
So the big, the big hubbub in Washington that Bernie
got mad because he doesn't they have such an easy life.
They never get asked any hard questions. And if that's
the hardest question he gets asked, you know, the pity
parties should never end, because that's that's not even a
that's not even a that's a good day for a
Republican with this media. But there's a lot of Democrats
that are so angry at Chuck Schumer, the minory leader

(08:41):
in the Senate, for agreeing to the you know, continued
resolution on the budget. They want them to resign, they
want him to step down as leader, they want AOC
to run against him in New York and uh. And
he doesn't want to answer that question either way, and
so I so when that question was asked of him,
should she run for Senate? It was basically, if do
you want to run percent of means do you want

(09:02):
to run against Chuck Schumer? And he so he got
so offended by such a question.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
He didn't like. Yeah, oh, by the way, he was
in Denver with AOC and they were in Vegas, I think,
and Phoenix and they have this fight Oligarchy tours. What
they're called what did you hit? Michael Steele, former chairman
of the Republican Party, now on MSNBC, said you shouldn't
name it the fight Oligarchy Tour because Middle America doesn't

(09:27):
understand what an oligarchy is.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Speak for yourself, Michael Steele, Michael Steys something else.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
He's basically calling everybody dumb.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Did you see the data on this that you know
you can follow cell phones in the macro? You can
actually actually you can even follow the cell phone's signature
and what where that phone goes, what it does. Well,
it turns out that most of that crowd wasn't thirty thousand,
It was twenty at least twenty thousand phones. Who doesn't
have a phone nowadays? But they've been to how many
of these radical rallies more than nine, more than ten

(09:59):
of them, and they're probably like like a bunch of
fans of Grateful Dead. They travel, you know, they're gonna
follow you around, so that every time they get all
these numbers tens of thousands of people, they tend to
pay them or they the sheep will follow the paid
ones to wherever these characters are going. So it looks
like it's a big, you know, grassroots reaction, but it's not.
It's actually just a few wealthy people paying for their

(10:22):
astro turf they get there.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
All right, We've got a lot to get to today.
Why are the Democrats so silent on all this violence
against Tesla? We'll dig into that coming up next on
the Rod and Greg Show. Great to be with you
on this Monday afternoon Talk Radio one five to nine knrs.
More Tesla violence over the weekend just goes on and on.
Nobody says anything about it.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Greg, I think it's pretty pathetic.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, I think there's a lot pathetic in my opinion.
Let's talk more about it right now with Carol mark Wiz.
Carol an opinion contributor with The New York Post and
also on Fox News. Good friend of the show. Always
great to have Carol on the show with us. Carol,
thanks for joining us this afternoon. What kind of violence
is going to have to take place in your opinion,
Carolyn or Carol for the Democrats finally to say something

(11:06):
about this nonsense, I think.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
I hope it doesn't get to where I think it's
going to get to, which is I think we're going
to see somebody get killed as a result of this violence,
and either it's going to happen at a Tesla dealership
or over at Tesla, or it's going to be one
of these swatting incidents or something like that. Again, I
hope it doesn't happen, and I hope we don't reach
that level. But I feel like until that does, the

(11:30):
Democrats are not going to stop. They've really gotten themselves
into a situation where the only thing that their crowd
cheers is either violence or threats of violence, so they
have no other conversation to be had with their base,
and the base is really angry and wants that anger
to be perpetrated on the national stage. So you know,

(11:53):
Tim Walls gets applause lines when he talks about Tesla
stocks dropping. And then today or yesterday, Rep. Jasmine Crockett
when on TV and said she wants to see Tesla
stocks tank, and this is an American company. So right
off the bat, they're rooting for an American company to fail.
But the other thing is Tesla's a very good brand.
And when Tim Walls said he was excited that the

(12:16):
stock was dropping, it was two hundred and twenty five dollars.
Today it's in the two seventies and climbing really, So
it's they're rooting against American company and they're getting it wrong.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
You know, it's amazing that there's this narrative that somehow,
you know, you have the insurrection insurrectionists and everything that
they that left likes to point towards Republicans. I remember
in the first inauguration when I was in DC, I
saw the real violence, the smashing out of the playglass
windows of commercial buildings and just really I saw violence

(12:49):
on those streets. I'd never seen Antifa before that inauguration.
You fast forward to the Antifa Black Lives Matter riots
in twenty twenty. Now you have the Tesla, the destroying
of those deerships and people that own the cars, and
even the dosing of influencers that's happening right now and
going through that. It's all violent. So how in the world.

(13:09):
When does the switch flip for Americans, or maybe it
has where the party of violence, the party that doesn't
know how to handle a free market of ideas? Are
these leftists? Are these Democrats? They are the ones that
are prone to violence, not the Republicans. And we don't
have we have nothing of its equivalents that I just
rattled off.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Yeah, I agree. I don't think that there's anything even similar.
And you know, there used to be that old bumper sticker.
If you're not angry, you're not paying attention. That anger
is very hard to sustain, and so they always need
to be ratcheting it up, and I think they've gotten
to a place where it's just gone too far. I
do think Americans understand it. I think when they see
Tesla dealerships being blown up, or even Tesla cars being

(13:52):
keyed and graffitied and that kind of thing, I think
they understand that this is going too far, and they
probably worry the same as I do, that it's going
to end in somebody's desk, because when you have this
kind of anger, when you have this kind of mayhem,
it could really take us to places we don't want
to go. I'm very worried about it. I think that

(14:13):
part of the problem is that the media does not
call Democrats out on this kind of thing. I think
if the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc. Started
kind of asking targeted questions, started asking Democrats to comment
on the record about what they think is about what's
going on in the country, I think that would be
a lot better for us all. But of course they're
not willing to do that because they're not willing to

(14:34):
put Democrats on the spot and even mild pushback, you know,
democrats can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Carol, this is a very sick thought on my part.
But do you think some of these more radical domestic
terrorists are almost hoping for a violent response to what
they're doing, hoping that somebody's who's tesla has been scratched
or whatever take them out, And is that maybe what
they're hoping for, to show that the other side is
as goofy as they are.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Right, Well, you know, I can also I can dissipate
something like that happening. It's not it seems like it
would be not unheard of for that to happen. Like, look,
I live in Florida. It is a concealed carry state.
You know, I know that a lot of states around
the country have the same kind of rules. If somebody
was I drive a Tesla, if somebody was to attack

(15:21):
a Tesla owner here, I don't think it would end
well for them. I also think that this is why
you're primarily not seeing this in rhetoric areas. You are
seeing this in blue cities and blue states. They're going
to apply pressure to their kind of fellow liberals to
stop driving Tesla's and to not support the Tesla brand.

(15:42):
I wonder if it's going to work, because, of course,
just a few years ago, Tesla was the darling child
of the left, where an e driving electric car was
showing how much you cared about the environment and how
much you cared about leftist causes. So I don't know.
I do think they're trying to cause a reaction. I
think a lot of this is from the true leftist.
They want violent revolution, they say so openly, and this

(16:03):
kind of thing can lead to that kind of violence.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
All of this is indefensible, but silent. It's definitely the
silence that you're hearing from the left. Is there a
moment where they have to where they feel I have
to pivot where they have to condemn this or are
they just going to be the party of subtraction from
this point going forward.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
It's hard to.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Say because it's gone to their mainstream. Like Jimmy Kimmel
is making jokes about it on his show, and that's okay,
and that's completely acceptable. Meanwhile, when a school shooting or
something happens, Jimmy Kimmel easily blames all Republicans for it.
It's the fault of Republicans when something like something horrible
like that happens. They don't have that self correction. And look,

(16:47):
sometimes that's a bad thing for them because when they
are confronted with any negativity at all. Saw with Kamala
Harris on a trail, she was incapable of answering even
the most basic, difficult questuestion the most you know, just
really softballs. But because they never get any pushbacks from
the media, they're untrained with it. Bernie Sanders had a

(17:09):
whole incident over the weekend where he stormed off after
being asked. So I don't know that this necessarily helps
them to be kacooned from criticism. I think ultimately it.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Hurts them Karl Marco was joining us on the Rod
and Greg Show, talking about the violence that we've seen
directed towards Tesla. I don't understand it, Greg. A year,
year and a half ago, they were praising him for
building these electric vehicles to save the environment. Now he's
their enemy number one, public enemy number one right now.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
It just shows the political pageantry has no substance to
it at all. They're trading in their Teslas, their electric vehicles,
for Union made tahos now SUVs Chevy su Good job
save I don't mind, it's great. I'm glad you're doing it,
because it just shows that you never meant it, and
he did in the first place.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Fake as always, all right, Mark, Coming up the Monday
edition of The Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio
one O five nine k n RS. Guess what the
federal government, in various agencies within the federal government over
the last four years prior to Donald Trump returning to
the White House, we're doing, Greg, what they were spending
our money?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
In record amounts, in record amounts. Yeah, it's surprise.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
This is a shock. Look on my think.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, I can I can see that.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Well.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
A new reporter has come out from Open the Books
And joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that,
of course, is John Hart. Heeat's the CEO of Open
the Books. You've been digging into this, John, basically, what
have you found out? They went on a spending spree?
How bad was it? John?

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Well?

Speaker 8 (18:34):
Yeah, tell you there has been an incredible explosion of
government spending. And just to you know, just to put
this in context, is you know, we're to put in
our history when we're spending more on interest payments on
the national debt that are than our defense and so
that's a national security threat when we do that. So
we we found, for example that you know, during the
during the Biden era, EPA spending increased four hundred and

(18:55):
seventy one percent. And when you look at that, when
you look at really the trend lines really even before Biden,
but since two thousand, we've seen relatively stagnant numbers on personnel. Now,
I would argue you could dramatically downsized personnel, and you should,
and you get a lot of benefits from doing that
if you do it in a smart way. But what
we've seen is this incredible spike up in spending and

(19:19):
relatively flat personnel numbers. So for example, at the Department
of Education, the head counts actually decreased by about fourteen percent,
but rose spending overall rows seven hundred and fifty percent.
FEMA headcount was hired two hundred and ninety percent, but
overall spending swelled by two thousand percent. So it's the problem,

(19:42):
really is a spending problem. And really for the past
one hundred years, the progressive Left has been on a
mission to expand the administrative state. It came to hand
off more and more authority to the unelected bureaucrats so
they can avoid responsibility in account of ability in elections.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
You know, John Uh, you know, we keep hearing the phrase, uh,
they're trying to cut to pre COVID levels, and it
implies that COVID is the reason we saw government, federal
governments spend so much because the economy was shut down,
things had to happen that were just not the norm,
and so you're trying to get to these pre COVID levels.
But what your study, what your investigation has shown is

(20:24):
that COVID was over and they were still growing the
federal government in specific areas of Biden that the Biden
administration's agenda were growing enormously and it had not one
thing to do with COVID.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Oh, that's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
Yeah, and it's and the key thing is this, this
trend is really happening in irrespective of COVID. I mean
the COVID absolutely, you know, supercharged government spending. But we
need to we need to sort of engage this challenge
as one that's that's a generational problem, and it's a
bipartisan problem. You've had, You've had you know, administrations in
both parties, in both both houses of Congress. Uh, I've

(21:00):
often been part of the problem. Now, there have been
some exceptions. You know, what I worked on in the
Senate for Senator Coburn. We actually reduced spending for the
first time since the end of the Korean War from
twenty twelve to twenty thirteen through this process called sequestration.
So we got rid of earmarks. That saved about one
hundred and forty one billion dollars. And that's like making
a river run backwards. Washington is get ready to go

(21:22):
the other direction. But the problem was we didn't. We
didn't accomplish enough.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
It did it didn't. We didn't downsize to the extent
that we needed to.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
And that's that's what the Doge Project has an opportunity
to do, is really is get at this problem in
a way that has eluded the kinds of sort of
downsizing that we needed to do for decades.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
John, the crazy money that was being spent, was it
directed toward one area like the environment, or social services
or crime efforts. Where was the most of this overspending
taking place in the environmental area?

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Well, I think EPA was a lot of it.

Speaker 8 (21:59):
Yeah, you know, we spent spending rows four hundred and
ninety percent actually I'm trually forced four hundred and seventy
percent just an EPA alone during the Biden Biden years.
So there was a there was a massive investment in quote,
you know, green, the Green New Deal.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
But you know, one of the one of the.

Speaker 8 (22:16):
Strange realities of the environmental energy debate is that, and
I've done a lot of work in this area too,
is that the free, free economies are the cleanest economies
in the world. So if you do if you look
at the overlay of the countries that are the most
economically free according to the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom,
there's lots of other indexes and then you compare it

(22:38):
to the Yale Environmental Performance Index. What you find is
that all the free countries are the ones that have
the best air and water, and it's it's the socialists,
top down, command and control economies that have the worst
environmental records. And so the entire narrative on the left
is just absolutely factually wrong. Is that if you want

(22:58):
to have a cleaner, better environment, if you want the
economy to grow, if you want to lift people out
of poverty, there is no system ever devised has done
more to lift people out of poverty and produce a
better environment than the free enterprise system. And every dollar
receive in Washington is a dream realized somewhere in America.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
We're helping an innovator.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
We're helping someone create something, create a new technology, new innovation,
to lift people out of poverty, to give them a
better life. And that's that's the key takeaway of what
we've shown is that this is a multi decade problem,
and we just you know, we could go farther back.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
And I'd like to.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
We just don't have all the data to show this
massive increase in the administrative state, because it isn't just
the past twenty five years. It's the past one hundred years,
and that's what we have to reboot the founder's vision
of limited government. And that's that's the end.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Goal here, John. I saw I was watching one of
the Sunday morning political shows yesterday and I saw a
statistic I was surprised at or a poll rather it
says sixty five percent of those polled I think that
the DOGE and the Trump administration are moving too fast
in their cuts to the federal government. I don't think

(24:08):
that's the case. I don't think that you'd suggested. But
why why are the American people if we know there's
so much waste and we're showing examples where it's just egregious,
you are Doge is doing this? How is this perception
being sold to the American people? Where sixty five percent
of the American people think that this the cut's being proposed,
is too quick or too soon or not thought out

(24:29):
well enough. How is that being sold to the people.

Speaker 8 (24:33):
Well, it's it's really it's it's a double it's a
double edged problem. So you, on one hand, you have
you have a sort of the mainstream media that doesn't
that doesn't want to report accurately. The scope of the
problem is we're describing it. And then when people understand
the scope of the challenge and the risk to our
national security in their children's future, it changes perceptions.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
But but you can't just blame the media.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
So as you know, skilled as the incumbent president is,
sometimes he he doesn't he doesn't dwell enough on one.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Point until he moves on to the next point.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
So for example, you know, they could they could very
they could very thoroughly make the case of fraud and
soarch security. Uh and really just and really spell it
out and take and take take, do a step by
step explanation of where that money is going, why it's wasteful,
and then you win hearts and minds, you gain the
confidence and support. But if, but if it seems like

(25:26):
you're just going from from target to target without ever
explaining what you're doing, then it it does run the
risk of undermining your long term mission.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
And the way I always put it is, you want
to you want to pull the weeds. You don't want
to mow the flower bed.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
John Hart from Open the Books talking about government spending,
They just got they just kept on spending and spending
and spending great. I mean, what would that be like?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, you just keep printing money and you can just
keep going. Apparently, you just keep going. You don't even
have to have a reason. I said. You heard him say,
e p A four hundred percent. You heard what I
said at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
There there you go.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Specific Ocean is currently a toilet. It's a sewage treatment
plant for Mexico, and nobody's doing anything about it. And so,
but they raised their budget four hundred percent while nothing's
being done about closing all the beaches miles and miles
of beaches in southern California.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
No, I'm talking about this.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
PA doesn't exist as a as an agency or a
department for me until they do something about it.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Wasn't the idea behind EPA clean water, clean air. I
think it was about it. It wasn't that. Wasn't that
it mission?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
So give up the alternative energy, the Green New Deal,
carbon footprints of water and get the go, get the
water cleaned up.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, that's all it takes, all right. More coming up
on the Rotten Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine can arrest other stories we're looking
at today. Donald Trump, President of the United States, decided
this weekend to go to Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Which is not really it does not sound like it's good.
I know it's you know, you get this. You got
the Liberty Bell there. You know, a lot, a lot
of history in Philadelphia, but it's not the place you'd
think someone would want to trackvel over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, the president was going to talk to his peeps,
and I would think this crowd is his peeps, which
were when you think, well it was the n C
to A wrestling tournament, Yes, his peeps.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Listen to the reception he got when he walked in.
That went on, by the way, Greg for about a
minute and a hang, and then they started singing US

(27:35):
A U S A U S A.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
You know, and you know these are families and friends
for watching there these wrestlers, which you know, they're they're
they're they're they're family or friends. But they're coming from
all over the country representing you know, universities across the country,
certainly not Philly fans. But but no, I but no,
it's I don't I don't remember president of the United

(27:57):
States going to wrestling. Yeah, championships like that, Remember, I
don't remember it's a great story that Captain America. He's
a want military and upset win. Did you ever wrest No,
you boxed, I boxed by bustle. We had to wrestle
in high school for pe. Yeah, it's I just I'm
not if you could make a studio, if I could

(28:19):
hit you with a chair, or I could jump off
a top road. Baby, But you know the whole day
that there's no there's just matts and you's are rolling
around the whole time.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's just in mind. Is that really wrestling?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
What the that the top ropes in the chair. Yes,
it's all real, all of it.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I want you you would believe that.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I want you to tell Hull Cogain it's not real.
I want to see what happens to You'll feel it.
You'll feel that it's real.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Didn't we see him at the GOP convention?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yes, yes, we actually saw him in the hallway on
the side too. When you're walking around, it's pretty good sized, dude,
is so tell him it's fake?

Speaker 5 (28:55):
But you won't.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I won't. One other note, apparently there is a snacking
recession taking. Americans are buying fewer and fewer snacks.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Let's because we found out all this red dyeing stuff
in our food. We didn't know about this. I mean
it is you know all Yeah, I just I object
to the fact that I kind of assumed if you
smoked there were some inherent bad things you were just
accepting there was just But then then the tobacco people
went and bought food, they went invested in food, and
then they I did not choose R. J. Reynolds to

(29:29):
own my food or to make my food to make
me crave it like a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Well, it's a slowdown in snacking taking place.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, because we're all wising up. That's why Sure, take
America healthy again?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
All right? Our number two, we're going to dig into
the democrats demise and why are gen zers? Those are
young people between the ages of eighteen and twenty four
turning conservative. New research shows that what is it, the
most conservatives in that generation in forty to sixty years

(30:00):
going on.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Making America great again. That's what's going on.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Sure, we'll talk about it with you. Coming up, stay
with us.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Power Packed first hour, got this hour coming up. We
want to hear from callers.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, we're gonna now We're going to open up the phones.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Pose a question to the smartest listening audience and all
the land about this generation.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Z gen Z eighteen to twenty four year olds.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
These are these are my younglings. They're in that that
that demo.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Would you classify them as conservative? Yeah, yeah, I would.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I don't know that they would, but they But they
they're not. They're not picking up with the Democrats putting
down I can tell you that not single one of
them are. But I don't know that they think in
such political terms.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think conservative terms.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, I think. I think their father's public service has
created a post traumatic syndrome for all of them. They
just kind of have a recoil at the thought of it.
But they're not. They're they if they ever vote for
a Democrat, they're not telling me. I'm not telling her
dad about it.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
So, and my kids are millennials, you know, but they're
I would, I would think they're.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
They're younger or older than a millennium. Millennials are born
in the two thousands.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Millennials were born in nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty to ninety five.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Oh really, yeah, I think that. Yeah, because I'm I'm
gen X, You're the angry generation.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'm not angery. Yes you are. I'm not saying, baby boomers,
we thought of peace and love, oh please, and then
you gen xers got in there.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
You're actually dragging us down. What you're doing. There's too
many of you. You're the biggest demographic word.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
We have more wealth. We have more wealth than any
of you, and we ain't going.

Speaker 9 (31:37):
To give it.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
Bit.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think, I think, I think our beautiful uh, baby
boomers are a big part of this audience.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
What am I saying?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
I love this audience, every.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
One of you. Yeah, yeah, keep it up, keep it
up well.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Before gen zs in this audience.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's true. Before we get into all of that. Of course,
more talk the Democrats, the de minds of the Democrats.
Greg just rolls on and on and on, and people
can't figure out what is going on for crying out loud.
I mean, there was a story in Axios, all right,
they fear things could actually get worse. The party has
its lowest favorable ability rating ever. Okay, there is not

(32:16):
a popular national leader out there, certainly, you know, I
wouldn't even consider Barack Obama a popular national leader for
the Democrats anymore. Insufficient numbers to stop legislation in Congress,
a durable minority on the Supreme Court, dwindling influence over
media systems, with right leaning podcasters and social media accounts rising,

(32:39):
Young voters are growing dramatically more conservative Democrats. Senate retirements
could make it harder for the party to flip the House,
with members tempted by statewide races. So both parties after
losing the White House and Senate suffer and search for salvation.
But rarely does healing seem so hard and redemption greg
so densistent for the Democratic Party. Why don't you listen

(33:00):
to what Mark Penn now. Mark Penn, well known pollster,
was a primary pollster for the Clintons when they ran
for the White House. Game while in the White House,
listen to what he said over the weekend, and this
is what he told former Utah Congressman Jason Chaffits.

Speaker 11 (33:20):
Well, I've never seen anything like this in over forty
years of polling. The Democratic Party ratings have collapsed from
like a forty seven percent favorable down to twenty nine
twenty seven in some of these polls.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
And that's an.

Speaker 11 (33:36):
Incredible loss of moderate, working class voters, those kinds of
voters that the Democratic Party needs to win elections, and
it's being shrunk to a base of left wing advocates
like Bernie Sanders and AOC who were touring the country
carrying the Democratic banner.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
That's not helping.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's the loon wing of the Democratic Party. What he's
talking here, absolutely, So.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
It's it's the party and the political movement of subtraction.
He just said, it's it's it's it's dwindling. And the
reason you know this is because every time someone tries
to step up to say here's the direction our party
is going to go, sometimes you hear them say, we
should be condemning the Tesla behavior. We should be uh,
men should not be playing in girls sports. Yeah, you

(34:24):
start to see that voice, and all of a sudden
you will see that Democrat so called leader get pounced upon.
Even even a Chuck Schumer who agrees to the continued
resolution on on the budget is being is just being
attacked mercilessly by his own party. So then you go
over the other side and go, well, what do you
have to say? We want more men and women's sports,
We want we want more. We're intolerant to anyone's but

(34:46):
we want you to bomb the Tesla dealerships and the
Tesla owners cars more. We want to put create more violence.
So they they they have no direction because they're they
every time they try to take one, the other side
of their party attacks the side that tries to step forward. Yeah,
so each side tries to step forward and the other
side says no, no, no, no, no, that's not where

(35:07):
we're going. So that's that's well, that's what you're seeing.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
And here's what you have with the with the illegal
criminals in this country. They're defending them, saying they have
rights if they're in this country illegally, greg these trend
deer Ragua guides, they have no rights. They're here illegally,
they have no rights whatsoever. And for this idiotic judge
in Washington, d C. To keep on blocking what the

(35:30):
president is trying to do by getting them out of
the country is driving people crazy.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
It is.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
And Mike Lee, as I've just reported, introducing legislations saying
a lower district court, federal judge cannot stop the president
from his executive authority, and that's what he's attempting to do.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
We we had a guest on the show early on.
You know, once these these federal suits start these ju
judges started getting involved and started interrupting the hiring, firing cuts,
you name it, that the executive branch was doing. And
I asked one of our guests, is there an umbrella
suit that can be filed here with the Supreme Court

(36:05):
that says seven hundred plus federal judges are not presidents
of the United States? And they said no, they're gonna
have to take it one case at a time. I
actually don't think we can afford to take it one
case at a time because you are just read today
that the actions that the President took late last week
on the Department of Education, there's already a lawsuit coming, sorry,
going to be a judge. And by the way, that

(36:27):
judge that you just mentioned that stopped who wants to
stop the trende Uragua gang members from being deported? Who
are who've been designated as terrorists. It's being appealed, but
appealed where to the DC Circuit. They're good luck in
that court. You know you can catch I mean that
court is so liberal. I mean, it's just yet another

(36:48):
step just to get to the superstate, hopefully the US
Supreme Court. But I don't know. I just think that's
at some point we have to agree that the judges
cannot be president of the United States.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
And they're certainly trying to be well. That leads us
into this, and this is what we want to talk
to you about today. The share of young American men
who say they identify with select political ideologies conservative. It's amazing.
A new trend is emerging in American politics. This historian
axios today the very youngest voters, now we're talking about

(37:19):
eighteen to twenty four year olds, okay, say they're more
conservative than their cohort than that's just older. According to
the Leavis's latest Harvard Youth Bowl, here's what they found.
The younger generation of men is more likely to identify
as conservative than as liberal. That is a stunning flip.
It's never been this high in forty to sixty years.

(37:41):
Twenty six percent of men eighteen to twenty four is
say they identify as conservative five point higher, five points
higher than twenty five to twenty nine year old men.
So it's very young. Now here. Here's an interesting thing
to point out about this. Where was this I had
this information? The younger members of this group, greg were

(38:01):
just ten years old when Donald Trump was elected president
the first time, and this whole chaotic political era to
them is very normal. They don't get upset about it.
They think of Trump as an anti hero, not a villain. Interesting.
Well yeah, right, yeah, And I think it's less about

(38:22):
policy much more about personality, said one of the researchers.
So they see him as he's not a villain, even
though the Democrats. Maybe older people see him as a villain,
maybe because of her persona, younger people see him as
an anti hero.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
But let's think about this for a second. If you
were eighteen years old and your senior year in high
school during COVID, okay, you would be twenty three years
old right now. Yeah, okay, So take those four years
of high school and those kids that weren't seniors when
COVID hit in the spring of twenty twenty. Because those kids,
those kids that my son is in that group, they

(38:58):
didn't they had we had the the drive by graduation
where we stay in the car and they just give
you the diploma as you drive by. They didn't have
a prom, they didn't have the end of their school year.
It just ended their senior year. But then you go
back in the next year's kid's I mean it was
interrupted for three to four school years. Those are the
kids that are this general gen Z group who've seen

(39:21):
the heavy hand of this government in ways that was
never consistent, never, And we're discovering what we're criticizing back then,
young people being the healthiest but being forced to be vaccinated,
the health issues that have been associated with that. Since then,
there is a well earned suspicion and distrust of the
federal government, and it's really been at the hands of

(39:42):
the Democrats, and that they've seen this. I think that
has as much to do with this large demographic of
young people eighteen to twenty four coming forward then before.
So is everybody's film going off on an amberiller right now?
Because mine is Mine is too?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, so I guess we should pay attention to that, right,
I'm trying to make a point here, But anyway, I
do think that they grew up where they've always If
they were ten years old when Trump was elected, I
can see why he's not as offensive and there is
an appeal to anti heroes. I mean, Hans Solo is
an anti hero, right, But I do think it's also

(40:19):
how the government impacted their personal lives in their high
school years. That probably has left them a little suspicious.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Can I'd say one other thing to add on top
of that, especially when it's come young it comes to
young men. Donald Trump has told these young men it's
okay to be a man.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think young men in this country have been beaten
down for so long, and they beat him down so
girls will feel equal to them. And these younger men
men are saying, nothing's wrong with me. Just because I'm
a young man. I have every right that you do
in this country. But they were told time and time again,
you're bad to be a boy. You boys, sit up straight,

(40:56):
you boys do this, you boys do this, toxic masculinity.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I think young men in this country are starting to say,
I'm proud to be a man and I'm not going
to hide from it.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
And they like sports. And you know, the regime media
now and all the leftists, what they want to tell
you is if you like sports, that's that frat boy,
that's that toxic masculinity. They they they've they've politicized young
men who like sports. Well, of course, then they're gonna
if you're gonna try and politicize them, What they're not
going to do is give up their love of sports.
They're not going to give up their the competition or

(41:27):
anything any of that. They're going to be there. And
so I think that I think that's a good point
as well. I think that there are things that were
never political that the left. Remember bud Light got in
trouble until they had that, they had the guy pretending
to be a girl. Uh, and they were saying, well,
we had to get rid of that frat boy image
that bud Light had. They had that frat boy image,
and you we don't want those guys, you know, those

(41:49):
college guys drinking all that beer. We hate that, you know,
And all of a sudden, it's just it was a
massive turn off to Americans and so but not like
Tesla is to the left. I mean, nobody was bombing
you know, breweries, and nobody was you know, abusing people
that had the bud Lighter going to the communa stores
and and you know, committing you know violence there. Yeah,
we just stopped buying it, all right. When I say we,

(42:11):
I said editorially, I don't buy it here. Yeah, I
don't buy any When.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
We come back, we want to hear from you why
do you think younger Americans, especially young men, are more
conservative than even a generation five six years ahead of them.
Young men are being or you know, the most someone
David Shore at the Times or Upholster I think, said,
this is the most conservative generation we've had in this

(42:36):
country in forty to sixty years. What has happened eight
eight eight five seven O ege zero one zero eight
eight eight five seven O eight zero one zero. Or
on your cell dole pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
your calls and cummings coming up?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
What do you make of this gen z phenomenon of
the largest voting block of young people eighteen to twenty
four who are affiliating or saying that they identify as
a right of center or Republican or supporting Trump. They
we've never seen it. We haven't seen what for forty
years we said, forty plus years, forty plus you've seen
a demo, demo like this.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
David Shore, who does research for the Democratic Party New
York Times, looked at the numbers that we've never seen anything.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Sounds like some smart young people being raised up around here.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Wonder why, all right, let's go to the phones, get
your thoughts on this tonight eight eight eight five seven
O eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven
o eight zero one zero to the phones we go.
We begin in Ogden with Zaye tonight on the Roden
Greg Show. Hi, Zane, how are you.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Good?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Are you guys doing We're doing well? Are your thoughts
on this sane?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (43:39):
So I work with a lot of younger guys. I'm myself.
I'm a younger millennial, but I got divorced and had
to kind of restart life in this younger age. And
it's just I think it's affordability. Just everything that the
left wants to do, wants to take all of our
money and put it towards these crazy causes. We just

(44:01):
see how much better that could serve us. And it's
just hard to support somebody who wants to give your
money away to illegal when you can't even pay your bills.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I think there's something to it, Zane, Thank you for
the call. I do think that the cost of living
is especially when you see the waste that the Democrats
are throwing money out.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, Zane, did you say you work with younger people?
What do they say to you about what's going on
in the country.

Speaker 9 (44:27):
So everybody that I work with is extremely conservative. Were
we all actually had a party on the day after
election day. My boss went out and bought some barbecue,
and we had got back early and got off early
and had a big party afterwards because everybody was just

(44:48):
so excited. Everybody just you know, a lot of us
have young kids. I myself have a six month old,
and we're just we're all just excited for the country
to start moving in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, all right, all right, Zay, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I like this.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
This is what I love and its it contributes to
the disintegration of the Democrats where they were that it's
a party of subtraction. Here, here's a sub here's another subtraction.
Trump won eighteen year old brand new voters first year
they get to vote. Both men and women that were
eighteen years old voted in majority for for Donald Trump

(45:28):
over Kamala Harris. The Democrats have bet the house on
every young generation coming up liberal because that's been the trend.
They just assumed it. They didn't think there'd be a
world that didn't have young people always voting on their
side because what they control. The Hollywood music in the
news pop culture, you name it. They control it all

(45:49):
the left, and so they thought every young person where
that's kind of their their wheelhouse. We're gonna we're gonna
radicalize them, and they're gonna hate Republicans and they're you know,
just the oldest of the demographics that are going to
be Republican again. We're just going to shift them all out.
And then here comes gen Z throwing a wrench in
the entire operation.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah yeah, and who in the party in the you know,
here's what I find funny about all of this, Greg,
is you have Donald Trump, who's what seventy eight years
old now and really appeals to younger people. Joe Biden
couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Why not, because you know, he's I think tournament he's
young at heart. He's going to wrestling tournaments, he goes
to the the he goes to the UFC Mixed Martial
Art Championships, he goes I mean, he goes to NASCAR,
he goes he's he's out and about. He's been with
this with the people, going to doing rallies or going
to events for nine years. He's he has really create

(46:44):
a relationship with the American people that you have not
seen a public servant do I've never seen in my lifetime.
Now I have public servants do it as often, as
long as consistently as he has done this, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
All right, we've we'll only get to more of your
phone calls eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one
zero or on your cell phone dial pound two fifteen
and say, hey, Ron, what we're a conversation we're having
tonight with you is really you know, the research is
showing that the gen Z, now those are kids eighteen
to twenty four years old. There's a fairly small window

(47:16):
in the age demographic, but research is showing they are
more conservative than any generation that we've seen in this
country for anywhere from forty to sixty years. And we
want to know why do you have maybe you're of
that age group, would want a weigh in as to
what conservative principles are attractive to you. Maybe you have
a you know, maybe you have a son or daughter

(47:37):
who's of that age and you've noticed they're more conservative
than you thought they'd be, even after coming home from school.
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero,
give us call eighty eight eight five seven oh eight
zero one zero, very nice. Monday afternoon, I brought our
cat citizen in Hughes. Just wanted to bring up on
a breaking story nationally. Apparently there was a radicals targeting

(48:00):
a Texas Tesla dealership. Apparently there were indications they were
going to blow the thing up.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
They found bombs inside bombs and side God had to
remove multiple bombs incendiary devices from inside the Tesla dealership.
So the acts of domestic terrorism continue all under what
the banner of democracy or what I just I would
love to know how they would like, how they want
to describe or defend, justify what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I guess that's what they call it democracy.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yes, I mean you can keep give it up focus
pretty unsettling. I don't think it's buying any.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
We can only hope that nobody gets hurt. And I
fear if this keeps on going and somebody doesn't say
stop this, someone's going to get hurt. All right, back
to our conversation with you today. We're talking about the
young and the restless. A lot of discussion over the
weekend about some new research showing that gen Z, that's
the generation about eighteen to twenty four are conservative, much

(48:57):
more conservative than previous generations and probably the most conservative
segment of the demographic in more than forty to sixty years.
And we're getting your reaction to that.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
And I'm looking at this Rod and you can extend
that gen z if up to even twenty nine years old,
you could still Donald Trump still captured a majority of
the votes male, female, doesn't matter, color, race, whatever, of
people that were eighteen to twenty nine years old. So
it's even beyond the twenty four year olds. I mean,
it's so anyway, let's hear what Kimberly Strassel says on

(49:30):
the Will Kine Show today. I think has happened today. Actually,
let's have a listen. Nope, me try try yet, now
try it all right, Kimberly, are you there.

Speaker 12 (49:43):
On the point about the younger people? If you think
about this, these younger people that they're discussing there, and
even those that are a little bit older than them
now but began a younger obviously, they've had no cognizant
awareness until recently of bad times. And this is what
you get when you have an administration that beats you
over the head with bad policies. For a long time,

(50:06):
they thought it was always normal for have low interest rates,
plentiful jobs, housing, anything you wanted, no real crime. And
then they were able to indulge in a lot of
the things that the left told them they should care about,
whether that be DEI or the Green New Deal. And
then you had an administration that showed them all of
those policies and practice, and they realized in real time

(50:28):
the consequences, and that has made a huge difference to
their outlook on the point about it.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
There you go, yeah, yeah, and it's and I think
I do. I think that they've They've gone through a
whole cycle. They were they were living in good times.
They were told that there was toxic masculinity, there was
white privilege, there were all these and they started to
listen to that, maybe they even thought it might be true.
And then you got Biden an office, and you've had
four years of all that insanity and bad politics. As

(50:56):
Kimberly Stressl calls it, that bad politics on steroids were
implemented where they got to see the consequences of it.
None of it was good. None of it made them
feel like there's no American exceptionalism in there. There's no
meritocracy where you are self determination, where you make your
own way. And I think the young people were bulled

(51:17):
for that. And then you add the whole COVID debacle
and what it did to their freedoms in their lives
government did. I think that's why you see a strong
conservative demographic in our in our young people, which I love.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Which I find interesting, Greg, is that Donald Trump and
the whole MAGA movement has been able to connect with
this generation. And you know, we have been told for
how many years? Greg Obama told us this. We took
a brief break during Trump's time, but Biden got back
in and the American people were constantly being told America

(51:51):
is bad. You know, we are a bad country. We
should apologize to the world for who we are. Young
people hear that and they go, no, we aren't. We're
a great country. We're the greatest country on earth in
my opinion, and I think the opinion of a lot
of people out there, Greg, and I think this younger
generation have caught on to that and said it's okay
to be American.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
It is I mean, and and even even things like
faith are coming back. Yeah, okay, having having going you know,
Christianity or church, just just having faith and and some
of the traditional values. There's there's a there is value
being discovered as you know, as this world got more temporal,
as it got more hedonistic. I think young people are

(52:32):
taking inventory but all going. I don't know that this
is all that it was advertised, and I think there's
a lot of that. I think are there's a cultural
shift going on. As you've seen this, you know, drag
shows for little kids. I just think people look at
that and go, I just don't find any of that normal.
I find something is patently wrong with that. And you
don't have to be older to look at that and

(52:53):
say there's something going on here that's just not right.
And so I do think that that's the left has
gotten so un believably radical that it has really pulled
these kids in.

Speaker 9 (53:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well, the other thing, Greg is I don't think they
understand this younger generation where they get their news from.
I mean, think about right. I mean it's not the
legacy media. It's not your evening news with CBS, NBC,
ABC or even Fox News or CNN. They get it
through podcast and they get it through social media, short
clips that you and I are looking at all the

(53:24):
time on social media. This is where young people are getting,
you know, their news, they get it from a podcast.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
And can I can we just again thank Elon Musk
for buying for forty four billion dollars Twitter so that
we could actually have the beginnings of free free speech
again in this country because it was just being shut
down and shadow banned and censored. And when he got Twitter,
it really did change the landscape very quickly. Yeah, even
guys like Zuckerberg started seeing the light. All of a

(53:50):
sudden it started or trying to. It's just changed everything.
And so I think Elon Musk is not just Doge
or Tesla or space. He's I think what he has
done to have X and have free speech back, I
think I think that's where young people are really thriving.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
And what is so funny is the Democrats are going, oh,
maybe we should dry this. They have Gavin Newsome doing
a podcast, you have Michelle Obama doing a podcast too. Late, folks, I.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Think they've never been commercial successes. As much as the
Left has tried to find commercial success in these conduits
of communication, they never have.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, ever, have too late. All right, we've got more
coming up in your phone calls eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero. That easy. We're talking about right now,
young people be more conservative in this country. And I
thought about this today, Greg, something that Donald Trump. Donald
Trump held the cabinet meeting today and all members of
the cabinet were weighing in as to what they're doing

(54:49):
in their various agencies. And Trump says something very interesting.
He says what the American people hopefully understand. And I
think why they support me right now is I'm trying
to save our And he's talking about the financial stress
that this country is in right now. Greg. And you've
brought this up on numerous occasions. What thirty six trillion
dollars in debt.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Thirty six trillion climbing and two trillion in deficit spending
A trillion of that too is just interest on the
debt a lot, And it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So young people hear this, go, well, what's my future
if we can't say this country? I mean, my guess
is they're probably not a lot of them out there
who would think about the debt or think about the deficit,
but they are thinking about getting into a home. Talk
to a young couple the other day, they'd love to
move into a home, they said, simply can't afford it
right now. It's not in the book and not in

(55:38):
the works for us right now. And that's what they're
hoping Trump can do to turn this around.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's looking right now like you have to make a
salary of over one hundred thousand dollars a year easily
to be able to afford a mortgage maybe of a
town home. I don't even know if that's a that's
a house, a freestanding house. The way that the prices
in cost of living are going up so much in Utah,
supply and demand and it's it's just been difficult. So yeah,

(56:02):
I think that there's a lot of realities that are
hitting our young people, and it's coming at a time
where the policies that the Democrats have been pursuing. See
they do a very good job of criticizing Republicans. If
they can just tear down man, that's their sweet spot.
If they can just criticize, they can do that all day,
and they can do it well. They can sound very persuasive,
So you would you support them because they criticize their

(56:24):
opponents so well, you don't want to support their opponent.
But when they get in charge, when they can't really
criticize anymore because they're on the clock, they fail miserably.
Like whatever is so whatever they were crying about or
complaining about, the comparison with what you got once you
got them, it's just been terrible. It's almost it was
almost good that Trump lost in twenty and that they

(56:45):
had control of both the House, the Senate and the
White House because they had no excuse. You were going
to get whatever they wanted, what theever they wanted to pursue,
you were going to get. And BOYD did we get it.
And I don't think people went It didn't go unnoticed.
Let me just say that. I think people noticed it,
and they didn't like wealthy saw.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
They had four years of a very progressive democratic government.
I mean, Joe Biden didn't know what he was doing,
to be real honest, This was run by Obama's hand
picked staff, who I think seventy percent of them had
worked with Obama then they were working with Biden, and
they just push all this policy on the American people

(57:24):
and the American people didn't like it. They were being
told what to do. I always argue, if you're a politician,
do not tell the American people what to do. They
do not like it. We do not like it, and
we want to stand up and make our own decisions.
And the Biden administration wouldn't allow us to do that.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
And we talked about this what during his administration, we
would talk to about this on the program, and that
is you know, if your president, one of the things
that you care about is how history will remember you
when you have someone that's not making those decisions, or
with the information they're getting might not be dependable. They're
not making those decisions. So the people that are are nameless, anonymous,

(58:01):
and they're Biden or Obama appointees with a Biden auto
pen signature, okay, and that's who's running the country, and
history will never know them. So they can be as reckless,
as dangerous, as radical as they want because they're not
going to take the heat for it. They're not going
to If it goes bad, it won't be on them,
It'll be on Biden, who didn't know what was going
on around him. I'm convinced he never knew so, and

(58:23):
then George Clouting now sees a lay he's saying.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
That now, and another point to make they had judges
in their hip pocket.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Do you recall any time during the Biden administration was
there an injunction against him telling he can't do it?
The only one I can think of is a Supreme
Court ruling on student loan forgiveness. But how often did
anyone go to court and try and stop Joe Biden
from implementing anything.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I've seen those actual numbers they've counted, and it's is
ninety two percent of these judicial ninety two since I
think George W. Bush, so that's going back twenty five years,
has been ninety two on Trump.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yes, sixty four injunctions. Sixty four injunctions. The highest of
any other president out there is fifteen.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, it's sixty four.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Injunctions against Donald Trump. And you know there was another
hearing today. This nutty judge in Washington, DC continues to
tell this is an Amber alert notification of a child abduction.
The Riverdale PD is asking for the public's help. The

(59:33):
suspect is identified as Ricardo Rogel Trujillo. He is five
feet five inches tall. Weighing one hundred eighty pounds. He
has black hair and black eyes. The first child abduction
victim is identified by police as Angie Trujillo. She is
two years old. She has black hair and brown eyes.
She is two feet two inches tall and weighs about

(59:53):
thirty five pounds. The second child abduction victim is identified
by police as Ricardo Trujillo. He is three years old.
He has black hair and black eyes. He is two
feet five inches tall and weighs about forty five pounds.
The abduction happened at Riverdale. The suspect was driving at
white Ford F one F with licensed plate eight B

(01:00:15):
S C six. If you have any information, please call
police at eight zero one three nine five eight two
two one or simply dial nine to one one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
We have we've had a great discussion so far. Our
number three. Just starting as you are on your way
home or whatever you're doing this afternoon or this evening,
we have joining us on the program. Daniel McCarthy's editor
in chief of The Modern Age and vice president of
the Intercollegiate Studies Institute out with an article Trump is

(01:00:59):
Revolution Washington. Yeah, let us out the ways, mister McCarthy.
Thank you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 13 (01:01:10):
Thank you delightful to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Danie'll talk about this revolution that has taken place. It's
not only doing it nationally, but internationally as well. When
it comes to foreign policy. Does it make your head
spin as to how fast he's going, Daniel, I know
it really does.

Speaker 13 (01:01:25):
Donald Trump won a very impressive victory last November, but
he is governing with full confidence as if he had won,
you know, like a two thirds majority in the Senate.
So and you know, obviously in the House there's a
very slender Republican majority, and yet Donald Trump is not
letting that hold him back. He has issued a blizzard
of executive orders. He is changing everything from immigration policy

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to read you know, reasserting that there are two genders,
two sexes, and not you know, this Smorgas board that
Joe Biden had envisioned. And then in foreign policy, he
really is reshaped being not only the way we deal
with the world, but he's really reshaping the way alliances work.
He's taking America back to a more Monroe doctrine hemispheric

(01:02:09):
approach to foreign policy. It's across the board. This is
a set of you know, dramatic changes that are you know,
trying to make America great again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
You know, you said it, and I don't think it
gets enough attention. This this razor thin majority in the
US House of Representatives, which actually the Freedom Caucus could
never really get on board with a continuing resolution seem
to vote with Democrats in stopping things like that. Donald
it appears that President Trump has gotten personally involved, reaching
out to members of Congress and has taken, as you've described,

(01:02:40):
a razor thin majority, and and has been able to
govern as if he's enjoying two thirds majority in Congress.
So he's on this role. How much will the judiciary
slow him down or stop him even as he's doing
things you've never seen done in Congress with a slim
Republican majority. How will how will these judges play in
the in the story of Donald Trump's second administration?

Speaker 13 (01:03:03):
Yeah, right now, the judges seem to be the only
focus of resistance. So you would call back in twenty seventeen,
when Donald Trump was just beginning his first term that
you know, all of these progressives, all the leftists, decided
they were going to basically not accept Donald Trump as
the legitimate president. And they were going to resist him.
And at this point, because you know, the Republicans scored

(01:03:24):
such a good victory, a strong victory with Donald Trump
in November, the Democrats really seemed broken. And instead it's
just the judiciary which is now playing the role of
the opposition to President Trump. And I think President Trump
is going to be fairly reluctant to defer to the
judiciary to the extent that they would like him to.
I think he's going to continue to say, where do
they get the authority to issue these nationwide injunctions not

(01:03:47):
only in their own districts, but trying to affect the
entire country, or for that matter, trying to effect you know,
when we have flights going across open waters in the
national waters, you have judges saying, no, turn that slight
around the Venezuelan back to the United States. That doesn't work.
And so I think I think the judiciary did. The
judiciary is going to see it's going to have to
give some thought to which battles are worth fighting which

(01:04:09):
ones aren't, because otherwise it's going to be totally overextended.
And I think Congress right now, especially with Republicans in charge,
is with the President rather than with the judges.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Daniel, what do you see as the main difference between
Trump one point zero and Trump two point zero? What
is the main difference?

Speaker 13 (01:04:26):
Well, in Trump one point oh, the president, you know,
wanted to trust the system. He wanted to believe that
the federal government was going to work for him, as
indeed it's supposed to under the Constitution. The president is
the head of the executive branch. The rest of the
executive branch should follow loyally to what the President intends
to do. And instead he discovered that actually the administrative

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state sees itself as a you know, a force unto
itself and above the Constitution that doesn't have to answer
to the president and that instead simply behaves according to
its own strictures. So Trump came into office this in
his second term, fully aware that Washington, DC was going
to be opposed to them, including within the executive branch itself,
and instead of accepting that, he is clearing out the

(01:05:08):
swamp and getting rid of so many of these government officials.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
So I have to go back to the judiciary because
it's what's the only part that freaks me out, really
worries me. So you get to this, you get to Scotus,
how worried are you? And it's a six to three
majority of Republican appointed justices. But Chief Justice Roberts is
Chief Justice Roberts, I mean, he kind of always worries me.
What about Justice Amy Cony Barrett. Does she worry you

(01:05:32):
at all in terms of her recent decisions? Or if
this is going to be are we going to have
seven hundred federal judges become President of the United States
here in the coming months, or how do you feel
about her as a justice? And what will happen with
the Supreme Court making decisions as these judges are getting
in the way of his work in the executive branch.

Speaker 13 (01:05:53):
Well, I do worry about the Supreme Court, and the
Supreme Court is somewhat more political than most Americans like
to believe, and so I think you'll see a little
bit of the Court trying to triangulate. As Bill Clinton
used to say, the Court's going to try to have
it both ways to some extent, It's going to want
to preserve its own sense of constitutional importance, which means

(01:06:13):
that even when in some cases the judge the justices
know that Donald Trump may be correct. I think they're
going to have a tendency to want to rebuke him
just to assert their own authority. Now, as I you know,
as you pointed out, two of the justices who otherwise
would be considered conservatives are perhaps the biggest sources of concern,
one of them being the Chief Justice, who certainly feels
you know, a very you know, great weight of responsibility

(01:06:36):
for keeping up the authority of his institution while he's
Chief Justice. And then Amy Cony Barrett. You know, she
has always had, you know, some things in her background
about immigration and about the death penalty, which you know,
raised an eyebrow to among some conservatives during her confirmation.
And yet the general you know feeling among conservatives was
we wanted to trust that she would be a good nominee,

(01:06:58):
especially on you know, pro life issues. So, you know,
Amy Cony Barrett is a question mark on some of
these questions of executive power. And you know, I think
I think Trump will be unhappy with some Supreme Court rulings.
But at the same time, I also think that the
Court recognizes that Donald Trump did win the last election
very resoundingly. The American people, you know, sort of put

(01:07:18):
to the test all of these accusations that have been
made against Trump, all the lawfare that was really put
on a you know, there was a jury trial that
was higher than any Supreme Court hearing, and that is
you know, the American people's say in an election, and
Donald Trump won. So I think the Supreme Court is
going to try to, you know, give Trump some degree
of latitude, but also they're still going to want to

(01:07:39):
have their own authority preserved.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
He seems very undeterred, Daniel in trying to get the
things done that he is trying to do.

Speaker 13 (01:07:47):
Would you agree, well, yes, and that's you know, both
a strength and of weakness. It's a strength because he
should not let, you know, especially these Appellate Court justices
and others, simply intimidate him into backing down. On the
other hand, you know, we do have to treat, especially
the Supreme Court, rather diplomatically. And even though as I
say that, there's a political dimension to this, where the
Supreme Court wants to feel as if it is not

(01:08:09):
being transgressed against them, that it's not being ignored or disregarded.
So I would you know, I would hope the President
is going to you know, not unnecessarily alienate justices who
might you know, otherwise be in play, possibly on his side.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Okay, let's get to the tariffs or the discussion of tariffs.
You're seeing a lot of new investment being committed or
being committed to, whether it's you know, over the companies
from overseas saying we're going to come to America. We've
got a four year plan, we've got a ten year plan,
billion hundreds of billions of dollars. We're going to build factories.
These things are going to happen. They are done in
response to the talk of tariffs. When we see April

(01:08:48):
second roll around, whether tariffs are imposed or not, whether
the negotiations continue, it seems like there is a real
resetting an economic growth of private sector jobs instead of
government sector jobs that are happening under President Trump's watch. Well,
how do you see that playing out in terms of
our economy or we're going to see it's going to

(01:09:08):
be different because he's governing different than Biden has. How
will our economy respond? How will job growth and manufacturing
respond in the coming months and years with what Trump's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Doing right now?

Speaker 13 (01:09:22):
Well, I think you're exactly right. The great thing about
the Trump the tariffs that President Trump has been threatening
is that they don't even have to go into effect
in order to actually produce good results. Right, So, simply
the threat of tariffs, the possibility of tariffs, has caused
a lot of companies to rethink where they're going to
locate their jobs, whether they're going to locate them overseas
or bring them back to the United States. So simply

(01:09:43):
by talking about tariffs and by threatening them, the President
has been able to bring back a lot of investment
and a lot of jobs in the United States. Now,
we're going to see what happens, you know, on April second.
We'll see what happens with the negotiations after that. But
I think Trump sees, you know, the purpose of all
of this is to make deal, and the purpose in
making the deal is then to strengthen American employment and

(01:10:04):
American jobs and American manufacturing and industry. And so I
don't think he wants to, you know, slap tariffs on
people just for the sake of causing them pain. He
really does want to find a solution here that's going
to bring back jobs without having to resort to tariffs. So,
you know, given that motive and given the fact that
you know, other countries all around the world have every
incentive to want to you know, have a strike a

(01:10:25):
deal and be able to you know, sell at the
lowest rates possible in the American market, which of course
is the most developed, you know, large market in the world.
I think all of that's going to play to Trump's advantage,
and you're going to to the American people's advantage, and
you're going to see a lot of you know, very
quick deal making going on over the next couple of
weeks here, and you know, you generally won't see these

(01:10:45):
tariffs come into a full effect, although you know, there
may be a case where Trump wants to make an
example of one or two countries that are you know,
playing sort of tough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, he doesn't does enjoy the art of the deal,
does Daniel. Daniel, thank you so much for I need
us today. We appreciate your time. Thank you. All right.
That's Daniel McCarthy. Great insight into how the president President
Trump is revolutionizing Washington. I think he's doing that. I mean,
I not that I want to hang around Washington, but

(01:11:15):
it would be interesting to be there just for a
week and just kind of get a sense of the
mood that is taking place in the nation's capital. I'm
telling you that they're all nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I I just don't understand. I think that when we
hear the weeping and wailing and gnashing the teeth of
the media and the and the in the in the
in the swamp, that should just tell us that he's
actually draining it. I was shocked by the poll numbers
I saw this weekend that said that sixty five percent
of Americans think that Trump's moving too quickly. Let me
tell you something, that town's never done anything. You never

(01:11:47):
used the word quickly in Washington c in the same sentence.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Now we're saying it's going too quick, too quick in Washington.
That's an irony, Matt. And I'm telling you that I
think we are in such such exciting times in the
where you see them kick and scream moreover the target.
We are with this president doing what he promised he'd
do when he ran for president.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Better off will be all right more. Coming up, it
is the Monday evening edition of the Rod and Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine knrs. Great to be with you. Coming up at
the bottom of the hour, we'll talk about the Department
of Education. Lenda McMahon, the new Secretary of Education, was
on State of Union on CNN. She kind of laid

(01:12:28):
out what they want to do with the Department of Education,
and we'll let you hear what she had to say
and then get you more details on what's going on
with education. Speaking of changes in Washington, greg, a new
poll out federal workers are split on the Trump administration's
return to office mandate, twenty five percent saying they are
actively looking for another job, according to a new poll

(01:12:50):
released by The Washington Pole. Now, I wonder if that
twenty five percent or looking for a new job, or
looking for a new job where they don't have to
go into the office. Yes, that's what they're doing, right,
exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Well, they're going to do when they find out that
those jobs aren't don't pay as much, and don't let
them not work as much as these these no show
jobs that they've been enjoying.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Now, my question on this, if people don't refuse to
come back to the office, fire them, what prevents the
president from just saying you're fired these judges.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Honestly, these judges are getting away everywhere. I know I'm
on this, but I'm telling you, when he tried to
cut he tries to cut these federal workers and they
and they these judges say no, you can't fire them.
You got to bring them back. Here's the thing COVID
was that all this you can work from home, much
of it was was created because of the COVID issue
and the pandemic and everything else. Well that's gone. You

(01:13:45):
got to come to work. I don't know how anyone's
going to go. I don't know how anything works if
you're not seeing each other and working together. This working
by video just I just don't think it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yeah, you can't do manufacturing that way. I'm going to
tell you right now. You can't manufactur. Sure on a
teams or zoom meeting, you can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Some workers as the Food and Drug Administration told the
poll that they are considering quitting over the policy because
of long commute times, lack of workspaces, difficulty parking, and
additional expenses.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Well, do you remember when the liberals are saying the
quiet quit? Remember how they used to remember the money
didn't matter, you didn't need to make a living. There
was just the quiet quit because people are just thinking,
you can take this job and show but they just
don't want to stress anymore. And this is when liberals
are running everything. Everybody wanted to quiet quit, yeah, because
they just didn't want to work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Go ahead, they would just quit. Yeah, finally that's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Going to be how do you quiet quit? Don't you
still have bills? Isn't there a rent or mortgage? Do?

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
How do you quiet quit? But they were talking about
it like it was all just a preference.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Do you like to work or do you just like
not work? Speaking of jobs, Greg a real interesting story
today in the Wall Street Journal, a tale of two
states on job creation. Has a job's recession in twenty
twenty four, Texas has a job's boom.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
The story goes on to say Democrats are slowly waking
up to the fact that migration from blue to red
states could become a political problem for winning the House
of Representatives. The Bureau of Labor Statistics last week relates
annual revised job numbers for states based on more complete data.
California gained a net of twenty twenty four hundred from

(01:15:29):
January twenty four to January twenty five. All of its
net jobs were government related. Yes, that's in California, right.
Meanwhile on the other side, Texas gained three times that
and mostly in the private sector. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
And you know what, there's fruits to that labor on
both sides of Yeah, on the private side and the
public side.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
You'll have more of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
And on one's a good story and the others not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
So you and you were talking about this with Daniel McCarthy,
who we had had on the last hour. Another big
announcement today from the President. Hyundai is launching into a
like four year, twenty one billion dollar effort to bring
job They're all looking at these tariffs and say, we'll
just make it here in the United States. Whe're going
to pay that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
This isn't some secret sauce. This is why people. This
is why GM builds their Cadillacs in China so they
don't have to pay the tariffs. This is why this
This is why other countries put tariffs on industry or imports,
and then what happens is they our companies end up
manufacturing there to avoid the tariffs. We're just gonna reciprocal
trade agreements. That's all we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
We just want to be treated fairly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Just two way street.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
If you tear us ten percent, we're going to tear
a few ten percent. If you go higher, we go higher,
We go higher. That's easy, Tim Michelle Obama say that
one time you go low, we go lower.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
No, no, she did, they go higher? But yeah, yeah,
she doesn't tell them the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
No, that's true, that's true. All right, more coming up.
It is the Rod and Greg Show with you on
this Monday right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine can Now in the spring and forecast team
over at KU TV Channel too telling us we could
get close to eighty on Wednesday this week. Huh, I'm
gonna go golfing. Well, by the time we get around
to it Friday and Saturday, it's going to be raining again,

(01:17:14):
is it. Sorry? Yeah, I was ready to go, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
No, I got to get better. I played this weekend
and it was not It was ugly. It's very ugly,
and it frustrates you. It does actually does frustrate me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I think golf is the most frustrating game out there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I found a scorecard in my bag this weekend from
September of six, and I was shooting a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Better than I am. Now, well you're older.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Well, I don't know, I think I anyway, I'm just
I got to get out and play more. So, yeah,
I got to drag you with me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Well, I've kind of busy. We do show production on
the golf course. Yes, sure, yep, sure it sounds good
to me. All right, let's talk about the Department of Education.
How low much longer is it going to be around?
Of course over the weekend. Matter of fact, yesterday on
State of the Union, US Education Secretary Linda McMahon insisted
there won't be any cuts in programs involving special ed

(01:18:09):
or student loans. She laid out how the Department of
Education will be kind of like eliminated.

Speaker 14 (01:18:15):
I think the present was very clear the outward facing
programs that are going to be affecting students are there's
not going to be any defunding for those programs. When
he talked about student loans that would be going to
the Small Business Administration, and also then the programs for
students of disabilities or more than likely rest in HHS,

(01:18:36):
which by the way, is where they began.

Speaker 10 (01:18:39):
I think we're looking at putting things in different departments
where they can operate very efficiently as we look on
how we can shut down the Department of Education not
operate efficiently now not as well as they not as
well as.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
They should be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
What a dumb question from CNN's Dana Bash. The aren't
operating efficiently?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Have you seen that test scores?

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Yeah, honestly it's yeah, yeah, yeah. We just just start
to feel like I sound like a broken record when honestly,
there's no empirical data that shows that any of the
increase funding, any of the new curriculum. I mean, how
about this new this this math that we it's not
even knew anymore, but the math that we've introduced to
our kids in our public schools curriculum. It's separated parents

(01:19:25):
from their kids in terms of how to work through
those problems. It was supposed to be this investigative math
that helped their their critical thinking skills. None of this
has panned out. None of this has shown higher proficiency
on any level. There's nothing that's happened in education that
I would say has been certainly coming from the federal side,
that's that's made any of these outcomes any better.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Well, I want to know when two plus two be
game five? Because were being taught at one time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
You're not allowed to memorize your your timestables anymore or something.
I don't know why that's going to be different. I mean,
I don't know why that's something you're not supposed to do,
is memorize your timestables.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I mean seven times seven forty nine. Very good, Thank you,
thank you. All right, let's check you in now. Our
next guest, we won't ask her to do timestable Victoria Manny.
She is a senior investigative researcher with Restoration News. As
a matter of fact, they've launched a brand new program
called restorationedu dot com. Vicki, thanks for joining us. What

(01:20:23):
is this all about, VICKI.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
Yeah, absolutely so. I believe that the quality of education
of child received shouldn't be determined by their zip code,
and that's how we operate education in America today. Families
don't have an option to escape failing public schools. They
don't have the personal wealth to do so to go
to private schools and to have that option, and so

(01:20:47):
we created Restoring Edu to help families and taxpayers really
understand the options that they have in their state. And
what you'll find is most states really don't have any options.
So we created this site to help educate the public
about their options, but also to help them advocate for

(01:21:08):
legislation in their own state to potentially improve education freedom
laws where they live.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
You know, it's funny you should say that judged by
their zip codes. I'm a recovering public servant and served
in our state legislature and we were working on school
reform and working on school grading a number of years ago,
long time ago. But one of the superintendents of an
area in Salt Lake City that has a lot of
Title I schools made dak callous comment to us and said,

(01:21:38):
if you give me the zip code, I'll give you
the school grade, as if it was just just without
even without regard to the student or the student's academic progress.
And it seemed like one of those movie moments where
you have the antagonist in the movie the principal or
the bad guy in the school. How often so I've
not heard anyone describe it by zip code in this
particular superintendent, and now yourself, how much is that actually

(01:22:02):
regard how are students in America regarded? Is it really
buy the zip codes they live in that they kind
of get put into this category that they won't succeed
or will.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
Well. Where your child goes to school in most states
is determined by your zip code. The neighborhood you live
in the school district tells you as a family what
school you're going to attend, and you can't leave that
school if it's failing. There's no option. And so if
you have education freedom laws where tax dollars follow the student,

(01:22:35):
the child can leave that school district and otherwise they're
stuck there. And that's what I mean by the zip
code determines the value of the education. And so if
you have tax dollars that follow the child, the families
have an option. And I believe it will also create

(01:22:56):
competition in education because right now, when you do have
a failing public school, what happens. They get more tax
dollars thrown at them, So they have no incentive to
improve because when they're failing, they get rewarded.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Vicky, how do you assess right now the momentum towards
school choice. Is it just still in the early stages
or is it growing more and more each day.

Speaker 7 (01:23:20):
That's a great question. If you look at laws that
have been in state legislatures this year up for votes.
It's more than I've ever seen. We finally have because
historically even Republicans would not take on this topic. I
think because Republicans have just ceeded the education of our

(01:23:41):
children to Democrats, and I think they're finally waking up
to what a failure that has been. So Republicans are
championing championing school choice legislation now and we see quite
a few states adopting some choice laws. They're not being
funded to the levels they need to be. I know,

(01:24:01):
I believe Wyoming just adopted some new legislation and I
think that that needs to be replicated across the nation.
Arizona was one of the first states in Florida to
really have significant school choice laws, and they continue to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
So we had in two thousand and seven a bill
passed our legislature and we had a referendum and that
was defeated soundly at the ballot. But since then, we've
seen a number of bills and school choice. We have
a Utah fits All scholarship, we have we have a
disabled scholarship, a special needs scholarship fund. So we're seeing
more options, a lot more options for school choice. As

(01:24:42):
of late, just as you said, what would you attribute
that to that states are coming along and giving parents
maybe backpack funding or more options to deliver education to
their kids today versus in.

Speaker 7 (01:24:52):
The past, because I think parents are really starting to
see how bad the public schools are becoming. I think
COVID woke up everyone. I mean, COVID Virtual schooling was horrible,
but if anything good came out of it, it was
that the public's eyes were opened to the failure of

(01:25:13):
government schools. And so I think that that really has
been the turning point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Vicky, what do you make of the panic over the
dismantling of the Department of Education. People are running around
saying the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Is
is that a little overreaction, Vicky?

Speaker 7 (01:25:33):
It absolutely is. It's interesting. I actually have an article
coming out in the next couple of days on this topic,
myth versus facts about the US Department of Education.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
And you know, the.

Speaker 7 (01:25:46):
Narrative that public schools are being defunded can't be farther
from the truth. Public schools get a very small percentage
of their funding from the federal government. And the funding
that comes from the federal government, and it is done
so through legislation adopted by Congress, not the Department of Education,
so that funding and all of those programs will continue

(01:26:10):
to be sent to the States. It will just be
a different process of management.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Vicky Manning with Restoration News talking about the Department of
Education and the panic. Greg was that just took place
when they announced they're going to eliminate it, no need
for it whatsoever, and she just Linda bing Mahan and
that soundbode we had before we talked to Vicki pointing
out many of these programs are going to be saved now.
They may be transferred to other departments the way they

(01:26:37):
probably should be in the first place. But don't worry
about losing all this money and not having money and
education not going to It's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Going to be upset that RFK is going to be
in charge of school lunches, not me. I think that's awesome. Yeah,
I think that's a great outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Did you see over the weekend Michelle Obama said she
didn't realize her lunch program would cause such a political storm. Ever,
her lunch program no chocolate milk.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yeah yeah, really, well wait till wait till our f
K gets ahold of that lunch program. Boy, they'll never
see fruit loops again. They'll never see anything any of that.
They're going to really no flu fruit loop because they
can use.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
That red redyn't. I know you're a big fan, but
I don't need them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Well, I like a lot of bad cereal. I love it,
and I love it at night. You shouldn't eat nothing, No, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I don't anymore. But there's nothing like a bowl of
frosted flakes at night.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
What I'm embracing RFK Jr. And all of it is
make America healthy again, as I meant the same time,
eating unhealthy, sugary yeah cereal food at night. And so
who am I? I mean, this is terrible. I gotta
you know, I got to pick a path. I either
got to red.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Are you going to be healthy or not?

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
I just aspired you. I just like admire people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
You're out there for a healthier diet, but you eat fruit.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
I live ciously through you. I watch you eat diet
and I just think I'm glad you're doing it. I
just I'm happy for you. But you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
You wouldn't do it, but I don't want to do it. Well,
you don't need to you're you're young healthy, Thank you God,
thank you. I'm a fat old man. You're not. That's
why you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
You are very disciplined in your You can just like
hit a switch and you can eat a diet that
is just stunned.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Yeah, but it's nothing out of the ordinary.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
It looks good. It's just it takes extra work. And
I don't know, it's like, I know, I know, I
I just I like to go to Maverick.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Yes, I know, you do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
They got red Bull there, you know, and they got
a pizza. They make pizzas there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Yeah, and they make this, you know. Our friend Jeff,
our golfing buddy, Jeff, introduced us to bundles.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
Bundles. Yes, they're very very good, very healthy. It's like
you get like a sak and cheese or some ribs
inside of this bun and then if for breakfast you
can have sausage and eggs and cheese inside that piece
of bread. It's so beautiful. Okay, you that's not on
your diet though.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
No. No, we were talking during the break and when
we come back, I want to get your thoughts that,
you know, weird things pop into my head when we
have conversations. Sometime for men. You ready for this? What
is the most difficult household chore to do? All of them? Yeah,

(01:29:20):
I've got some thoughts on this top. All right, more
coming up. We'll talk about it coming up on the
Roden greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n R S. All Right, we were talking during
the break and you were in you were in San Diego. Yeah,
place down there you visit occasionally. Yes, you leave some
clothes down there. You wear those clothes while you're down
there before you come back, you like to clean them

(01:29:41):
and put them back for use next time. Right, Yes,
And you were talking about the travails of Washington drawing clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Oh, I know? Is it in twenty twenty five? Thank goodness,
there's like FaceTime and a daughter because you're because Queen
b doesn't answer the phone, uh, to help me walk
me through how to use that that washing machine and
dry I don't I I have I've lost, you know,
muscle memory. I lost a little of the motor skills
involved in laundry. And by the way, you know, good

(01:30:08):
luck drying anything anymore. And if you're you, why is
that hard to dry? Because you don't want to shrink
and so then you gotta hang it up, and you
gotta let it dry out, and you gotta It's just
a lot of rigormarole.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
It's a lot. So is that your motive? Difficult household? Short?
It's do you do any household chortes anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Can I text and see if Queen Bee's listening and
that will actually influence my answer to be embarrassed or
to be make or raise her ire? I don't want
to do that. No, I'm very fortunate. Queen Bee is
is the She takes care of that house, and she
takes care of all of us, and she tells us
what I mean, I'll take orders. I mean, she is
the boss. I've seen the boss's job. I don't want it.

(01:30:49):
But uh but I I probably don't do as much
of that as I should.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
How about that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Cut my wife very very similar to Queen Bee Rodeo.
Queen know she takes care of a lot of but
occasionally I'll get in there and help her. But I'm
with you. I think Washington drying clothes the most difficult
thing in the world. Is it hot? Is it cold?

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
She puts a fabric softener in there, makes them smell
really nice and put in the dryer, and then she's
she hangs certain things and she dries certain things. I mean,
she just has a system down of which I can't replicate.
And I just appreciate all the you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Know, you know, oh is she texting? Yep? You know
what's interesting. You know what's interesting about this?

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
This is going to happen to me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
I knew it. Yeah, you know what's interesting about this discussion?
What all three of my sons know how to wash
and dry clothes?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Rodeo queen teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I think they may have taught themselves. Well, she taught them,
she started. But I know nothing about Washington drying clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
So there's a correction I guess I need to make.
According to Queen Bee, and that is that I was
a feral child that I grew up like, I was
raised by wolves, and I had never had any of
these skills. I said, I lost these skills you never had,
according to her, when she met me, when I was single,
I didn't know how to ever wash is I take it?

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I went on a mission, and I went, I went,
I went to laundry mats, I went to I did
laundry I probably wasn't as zealous at it as you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Do you know how to sew on a button?

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Technically?

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
It means.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
It means when you meet.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Your future mother in law twenty one, you don't have
to cut sew a button on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
You have this wonderful, wonderful mother.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Queen mother, queen mother that would just you know, sew
a button if you needed it to this day.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I used to know how to do it, did you? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:32:41):
My mother?

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Well, when I was about twelve, thirteen, fourteen, I told
my mom when I get out of high school, I'm
going far away, which I did. I went from New
York to Texas. Yes, And you went, tell me how
to iron his shirt? Okay? And I can ironken today.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Queen be you'll tell you I can iron shirt? Can
I can iron?

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
And how to sew on a button? I wouldn't know
the first thing of doing it sewing on a button.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Today, I can iron a I can iron a shirt.
I can put the seam right on the sleeve every really, yeah,
I got it right off the shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
But what is it about washing clothes that confuses me?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
It's it's very difficult. There's a lot of things going
on there, a lot of things formula, a lot of buttons,
A lot of buttons, a lot of temperatures.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
All right, that's all very hard. That does it for us. Tonight,
head up, shoulders back, May God bless you and your family,
this great country of ours. Tomorrow we'll talk, huge ful

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