The Rod and Greg Show: A Conversation with Glenn Beck; Lawsuit vs. UDOT Over Gondola

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Great guests coming up on this good Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Why I'm chuckling a little bit today. Uh, it was
just about an hour ago that my co host Greg
Hughes realized it's Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
First time. First time. I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
What you got to do something? Why are we doing
it on Thursday instead of Friday? I said, it's Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
My last recollection is wing Man Wednesday. I don't even
know what's happened since Wingman.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Where were you yesterday?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I Wingman Wednesday? I don't know who was here. Somebody
was here. It was a clone. I don't know what's
happened there. Whoever was here that was not me? How
How was I?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
By the way, your your typical bad self.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, all right, Well, at least they do well at
the cloning.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You're consistent, they keep it.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
They keep the clone pretty accurate there. That's good. Yeah,
I have no I have no recollection of anything from
Wednesday to now. I just I cannot believe it's Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well it is happy.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
It is Friday weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So just in cage man, have we got a great
show lined up for you today? As a matter of fact,
later on in the show, you'll want to stay with
us all day. But later on in the show, we'll
have a very interesting conversation with one Glenn Beck. Yes, yeah,
Glenn becks in town. He did so from here today
and we were able to grab him for a few
minutes afterwards, sat down and talked about a number of things,

(01:12):
and I think you'll find our conversation to be very
very interesting tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah. So, I mean he was here, he had to
come into the Rotten Greg Show World headquarters. Used are
actually I think he might use my chair, might have
been sitting right here over they're good good, So well,
I guess because this is my domain. But we came in.
I saw him after the show, and turns out, folks,
you probably can understand this. The Rotten Greg Show is

(01:37):
his favorite all time radio show in the history of
You say that, no, but I read it in his eyes.
Oh yeah, I could see it. I could.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
He said that.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, you've got to be able to read expressions. Body
language means a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Are you sure he didn't say favorite radio show.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
In Utah nowide of the whole planet or the favorite
And you know, he's got a little swag. Now, he's
got a little you know, he's got a little bit
of a get some merch. We can't let him have.
You have a nice picture of it, and Greg had
on that he's very proud of. So she hasn't taken
it off. Probably not, Probably won't, probably leave it on.

(02:10):
Always always yes, all.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right, So we'll be talking with Glenn a little bit
later on in the show. I think you really enjoyed
that conversation. Also coming up is Donald Trump being treated
differently by the media this second time around. You have
some points that you say you think he is. I'm
not sure of that. We'll talk about that. We'll get
to the latest and yet another lawsuit being filed in
the debate over the U DOT gondola proposal up Little

(02:35):
Cottonwood Canyon. We'll get to that, and then of course
we'll talk about think Rod. It's Friday, and Greg gets
Friday to get all your thoughts about everything that we've
talked about this week. So all right, let's let's start
off today. So I'm watching television, you know, I'm just
in the background. We have monitors in the studio that
around all the time, or most of the time, and
I see on Fox News there's a news conference. Okay,

(02:56):
in Greenland. And here's JD. Vance and next to him
is Mike Lee. And I'm going, what on earth is
Utah Senator Mike Lee doing in Greenland? And he's there today.
This part of an effort on the Trump administration to
try and show the people of Greenland that is very
important for them to let us get in and really

(03:17):
take that that island. Yeah, is that all you have
to say?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Mmmmm, Okay, No, So michae Lee's there, centaer Lee's there,
He hinted, I think I'll go to Greenland. Will you say?
He put it on his sex Oh did he? And
then there's been some coverage of it. I have a
clip of Mike Lee speaking to the members of the military.
We have a base up there, we have a you know,
a place that monitors what's going on. We have let

(03:42):
me just say it this way, we have a footprint,
a military footprint in Greenland. Appropriately so, and there's been
a lot of talk and I want to actually, with
the time I know we have to, I want to
say this as succinctly as I can, which you know
is hard for me. When the Vice President of the
United States goes to Greenland and you know, Cener Mike
Lee joins him. I think Mike Waltz is with him

(04:04):
as well. There's a lot that they could do as
a country. Trump has tried to do, extending a hand
to Greenland, saying, hey, I don't know about Denmark is
treating you all that well, but we treat you like
golden We can have a great partnership. That's all great.
But at the end of the day, when the New
York Times says Vance lands in Greenland, a place that
doesn't want him, folks, this is what you need to know.

(04:26):
It's actually irrelevant what Greenland thinks about whether it wants
to have a closer relationship with the United States or not.
It is actually actually I won't say anymore. I'm gonna
let I'm just going to play this. This quick clip
of Vice President JD. Vance and why he up there
right now is critically important for the United States and

(04:47):
really the world.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
There has been an expansion of the security footprint and
the security interest of Russia and China. They're doing what
they believe is in their interest. The United States must
do what I know is in our interest, which is
to make sure that Greenland is safe. If Greenland doesn't
have self determination. If the people of Greenland have their
future controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, it's not going

(05:11):
to make their lives better off, and most importantly, it's
going to make American and world national security, world security
much much weaker. We can't, in some ways need to
wake up. We need to wake up from a failed
forty year consensus that said that we could ignore the
encroachment of powerful countries as they expand their ambitions. We

(05:32):
can't just bury our head in the sand, or in Greenland,
bury our head in the snow and pretend that the
Chinese are not interested in this very large land mass.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
So in what you're seeing, what you've seen what play
out in Europe is they dropped all their defense. They
have no money to defend themselves any of those countries. Okay,
I don't care what anyone says about all. We're here
with you, Ukraine. We're going to support you. They've already
decided they're going to pull their troops out. They're not
going to put troops on the ground European nations to
fight Russia. They actually send Russia billions of dollars for
oil and gas because they don't have any way to

(06:03):
extract it process to themselves. They don't have any military
might at all. They lean on the United States. Well,
the United States isn't going to watch Greenland go under
someone else's control, go the way that Europe has gone. Tragically.
We're coming up there, and Mike Lee has a lot
to say about this too. Talking to our troops. I'm
going to tell you right now this presidency, whether it's

(06:24):
domestically with our deficit and how we have to get
this economy under the budget, under controls, drain the swamp,
get this economy back to a free market economy domestically,
or if we're talking to the world in our national
security and foreign policy, Greenland is going to be a
strategic place for the United States to hold Russia and
China at bay. And at the end of the day,
if Greenland doesn't catch the vision, it won't matter. We're

(06:47):
going to do what's in the best interest in the
United States. And if that footprint grows, it will have
grown for a reason.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And it's funny, greg Donald Trump is the only ones
who sees this. The value of Greenland right now stands
just like he saw the value of Panama, and make
sure we control the canal. He sees also the importance
of Greenland, and he's taking a lot of heat. A
lot of Americans are out there going, why are we
bothering with Greenland? Yeah, they don't understand strategically and in

(07:16):
the world how important that Greenland is right now.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And I can imagine folks that in some internal memos somewhere,
be it the National Security Advisor, the Pentagon, the State Department,
there's probably lots of memos from presidents going back talking
about the critical strategic importance of a Greenland or a
Panama Canal. But you have such a transparent president and

(07:40):
President Trump where he's going to bring the people along
with all the things he's discussing and doing that we
now know what is on the front front of mind.
And if the media hates it, if the Democrats don't
like it, what you're seeing is instead of these things
being whispered in the halls of power or talked about
without us having any clue, you hope. I mean, I
don't know. Biden probably didn't talk about these things, but

(08:00):
certainly these things aren't just emerging as brand new. But
why we talk about it on this program today, and
why you hear from the Vice President today is because
it is a very transparent and very open conversation with
American people that this is about our national security. This
is about the security, frankly of the world, and we're
going to be here. We're going to make sure we
get this right. We're not going to keep our heads
in the sand or in Greenland in the snow.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
As put in the snow very good points and that's
you know, if you're wondering, you need to for our
listeners read up on Greenland, what Greenland has, and why
we're interested in it, Why the United States keep talking
about why Donald Trump keeps talking about it, folks, Russia,
but more importantly, China is a real threat and they
are grabbing every mineral sight around the world that they can.

(08:44):
And if we don't have our own to protect ourselves,
we're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, now this sits with you. Ninety six percent of
mineral extraction and processing happens out of China, ninety six percent.
That does that look like a good a place for
the United States to be in right now? It is not.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
It is all right. We've got a lot to get
to today. We love you having a loan for the
ride as you work your way home on this Friday afternoon,
mister Hughes, if you want to be a part of
the program. Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five sevenh eight zero one
zero Media's treatment of Trump two point zero. Yes, I
don't think it's changed. Oh, you argue at.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think it's measurably changed for the better. Really, And
I'm not saying that the media has gotten nicer. I
think that his mastery of handling the media and then
the media feeling a little more pressure from a national
support that he didn't have in his first term is
creating a different, more positive atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, let's check in with Terry.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Which is still tough.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, which is still tough. Let's check in with Terry Jones.
They've taken a look at this with a new poll
for Issues and Insights. Terry, how are you welcome back
to the Rodd and Greig Show.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'm doing great, Thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
All right, Terry, what did your survey find out? Is
the media doing a better job in their treatment of
Donald Trump this time around?

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Well, it depends on whom you ask, but the answer
might be surprising. And yes, the answer is yes, they
are doing better by at least one measure. But overall,
when you add up, you know, you total up that

(10:18):
the people who think things are the same, and then
there's reason to believe that the same means bad, and
the people who believe that it's worse things are the
majority of people still believe that the media is treating
Trump rottenly. So it's worse overall, But there are pockets

(10:41):
of groups that think it's gotten better.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
You know, and I'm probably in that camp, Terry, that
I do think that things have gotten better for a
couple of reasons. One I think a tell of why
things of the narrative has gotten more positive for President
Trump is that you see someone like even the sports
teams that are willing to go to the White House
to visit him versus they it was you couldn't even
book an inauguration gig the first time around because it

(11:07):
was such a stigma apparently, But what would you say
about the different media? So they've I think they have
a stronger can handle on the White House pressure room.
I think they've brought in newer platforms of media, maybe
smaller but digital, and ones that may agree with him
philosophically more. Hasn't that amounted to maybe a more rounded

(11:28):
or better coverage of the president now versus in his
first term.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
I think it definitely has. I think it's had a
major impact because previously all you got were negative headlines.
It didn't matter what he did, you got a negative
headline out of it, or or or they found some
little part of what he did to be greatly negative
and then enhance that and played it up in the lead.

(11:53):
But if you look right now, you know the number
of people who are who are reading you know, what
we used to call big media is still shrinking, and
it's shrinking markedly. And so when you when you look
at media consuming numbers, people are consuming more social media,

(12:15):
and it tends to be social media that are confirmatory
of their own views and their view of the world.
And so I think a lot of a lot of
conservatives and Republicans have sort of frozen out the New
York Times is of the world or the La Times
is of the world, or the Chicago Tribunes and whatever,

(12:36):
and CBS is and the big what used to be
the big three TV networks, and instead of that, they're
going to these smaller outlets, and that shows up, I
think in the numbers here because one of the things
we ask people who thought the press how the press
covers Trump has improved, and we thought going in, we thought, well,

(13:01):
it'll obviously be you know, Democrats or maybe independents who
will think that, but no, it was Republicans, and by
a large margin, forty six percent of Republicans said that
the media was treating Trump better. That that compares to
thirty one percent overall and twenty four percent among Democrats

(13:26):
and twenty five percent among independents. So Republicans are the
ones who are who have made the better number much bigger,
and they are also the smallest number who say that
Trump is being treated worse. Only fifteen percent of Republicans
say Trump is being treated worse versus sixteen percent overall,

(13:47):
eighteen percent of Democrats, and seventeen percent of independence. So
I find that interesting and I think it does reflect
a major shift in both in how people read and
what they're reading online. But also it shows that in

(14:08):
how Trump reorganized, who's getting the message first and getting
it out there, and it's having an impact.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Terry, here's what I've noticed, and I was mentioning this
to Greg a few minutes ago. First of all, he
used to tweet out every morning something and oftentimes using
it to attack people he didn't like. I don't see
those as much anymore, if at all. And you don't
you don't hear as many leaks coming out of the
White House. I mean his first term, there are people

(14:39):
talking to the media anonymously or sources say within the
White House. You don't hear that anymore. So the control
of the media narrative out there, I think is much
better this time around.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I mean his first
term he was like Alice in Wonderland. I mean he
came into office and I think he thought it was
he was just going to be able to snap his
fingers and things would happen, and he didn't understand the
depths of the deep state and how it stands, you know,

(15:11):
athwart any sort of change or any you know, revolution
and government cuts anything like that. They just make it
almost impossible. They just dig in their heels and don't
do what you ask them to do. Right. So when
he came in this this second term, maybe the four
years in the wilderness helped him because I think he

(15:31):
started getting an education in how you can actually change
things and not spend four years spending year wheels and that,
you know that certainly is reflected in Doge and what
they're doing, and in the way he, you know, was
pretty aggressive in getting the people he wanted into the power,

(15:52):
into positions of power, not just going with Washington Redreads.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Jerry is always great. Chatty with you. Thank you, and
enjoy the weekend. Thank you, Terry, thank you, Greg Hey,
thank you. All right. Terry Jones, editor of Issues and Insights,
were coming up on the Rod and Gregg Show and
Talk Radio one O five to nine. Knrs.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, I like the warm weather. I do want to
have a spring, though I don't want to go from
cold all sudden becomes hot. I'd like to have some
spring springlke weather and well, you know sixties. It was
in the sixties when I walked in. I can handle sixties.
But it's going to get colder than that, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, it's supposed to according to our weather team. All right,
let's talk about what's going on on Little Cottonwood Canyon.
A homeowners group is now filed suit blocking the Department
of Transportation from using land in their neighborhood to build
a road for a controversial gondola project. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line to talk about that is the attorney

(16:44):
for the Little Cottonwood Canyon homeowners, Brent hat brench Are. Brent,
how are you now? Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Thanks for joining us, great, thanks for having me tell.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Us about this lawsuit and what you're trying to do
with it.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Brent, Well, this is this is a I represent a
group of homeowners who invested in buying watch and building
houses and greening by contract to have an h o
A and have restrictions on what could be built in
their neighborhoods so they could plan and and UH build accordingly.

(17:21):
And one of the lots that are saying that is
subject to the same restrictions, which here means building residential
home housing.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
UH.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
The Department of Transportation bought and has been using as
has been and has been putting together part of their
plans for this gondola project to use this project this
property for roadways, the storage and other things that are
not allowed under the restrictions in that neighborhood and affecting
every one of these landowners and our lawsuit is to

(17:56):
speak an injunction from the court that they have to
abide by the land restrictions like every other property owner
in that area.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
So Brett, my question is, is this was this done
by you dot through eminent domain? You know that there's
there's when you're looking at Court transportation corridor as there's
there could be the condemnation of lands, even homes or
neighborhoods for the widing or freeways or creation of them.
Did it go through? Did you not go through that
process to acquire this land for the gondola?

Speaker 7 (18:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
That No, that would have been interesting if they'd done that,
because there would have been you know, it would have
been a much more public thing. You know, they bought
the piece of property from the prior landowner. I believe
it was a developer, but don't hold me to that.
With with the restrictions on it that could only be
used to build a single family home. And then they

(18:45):
started to use you know, they're well, they're a long
way from doing a gondola project, but they've used it
in some of their filings with other governmental agencies that
this will be you know, they want to be able
to put things on it that they're not allowed to
put on it, and that that's that's really not the
right way to go about it. Brent.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It was my understanding that the gondola idea is down
the road quite a way that you don't would be
trying some other things. First, is that still the cage?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Brent, I can't speak to that. I mean, that's obviously
something you know, I've talked to dot about. But you know,
if this is in their plans, it shouldn't be and
it needs That's why we're you know, we don't want
to the landowners, don't want to be in a position
where we get too far down the road. We want
to let them know right up front that you can

(19:31):
build a single family home here, but you can't build
you know, roadage and access to any of the gondola projects.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Brent, I re peppering you questions. I appreciate the answers,
and I know that you have your client that you
have that you're representing, so I understand the narrow focus
that you're staring at. My question is a lot of
the hesitation or this issue specifically or even technically, but
if you get a little broader, the traffic into these
canes has gotten worse over the years to the point

(19:59):
where where it's having a chilling effect on those that
can actually access to the canyons. And that's not just
in the wintertime, even in the summertime for a different recreation.
Is there a plan that the neighbors or someone they're
pointing to saying, why haven't you looked at this solution
versus this's the one that impacts our homes or violates
our ccnrs. Is there a solution out there that people

(20:20):
are rallying around that maybe the state is not taken
seriously enough.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well, as you know, there's several lawsuits and there are
several groups that have been put together to oppose and
maybe you know the gondola and what's happening because everybody
is concerned about that, But what what's happening here? And
you're right, that's much broader than our lawsuit, But what
what's happening here in a broad sense really is government

(20:49):
that it's worse, As some of the other lawsuits have
made clear and has been reported pretty frequently in the press.
Is there been there have been public uh pulling, and
you know, you got government it's worse because they're they're
they're trying to put a gondola on that apparently people
don't want. It's using a lot of a lot of

(21:11):
taxpayer money to benefit two private businesses, and because of
people you know, getting ahead of this, it's to benefit
some other private parties who you know, who see a
have developed, I want to develop and make some money
off of what's going to be at the bottom of
the canyon. And so here you're taxing everybody in the

(21:33):
state who aren't going to be using it for very
very small uses. And we're and don't seem to be
looking to the private businesses themselves to help resolve these problems.
Because ultimately you're you're right, I mean that this gondola.
Gondola is not going to stop for people want to
hike at the very trail heads on the way up.
It's just servicing you know, two ski resorts.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, what why, bren Why is this such a passionate
issue with people live in that area? What what you know,
we all love our canyons, we don't maybe too much
in some cases, but this is such a passionate issue.
Why why do you think that's the case? Brint Well?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I think for exactly why you just what you just said.
We all love the canyons. It's you know, our state
from top to bottom, from you know, from our mountains
down to the red Rocks in southern Utah. We have
assets that virtually no other state have. I mean, it's
it's just incredible. And so when you start messing around

(22:35):
with a canyon, and particularly uh, regardless of what you're
gonna do, you're gonna be people are going to be
even passionate about that because we love the canyons and
we don't want to we don't want to mock them up.
But we're also you know, generally, we're a fiscally conservative group,
even even the more, even the more the Democrats in
our state are pretty fiscal want to be fiscally conservative.

(22:57):
And here, you know, as I understand, we're the gondola
project is to put in a length of gondola that's
never been done. And we and you and you know
as well as I do that most of these public
works projects, they put a price on them, and then
as we get into them, it ends up being four

(23:17):
to ten times as much as that. That's happening in
California right now, and it's happened back in Massachusetts, and
it's happened with stadiums all over the country. Uh, you know,
and and here where it's not you know, it's not
a general public good. It's just to serve a couple
of businesses. It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well know those stories. Brent, thanks for taking a few
minutes of your time today and talking about this very
controversial project. We appreciate it. Thank you. Brend enjoyed the weekend.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Thank you very much. Our boss is a little bit
a little more pointed, but it's it's just as important
to these homeowners that their property rights get respected along
the way.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
All right, Brent, thank you. We appreciate your phone call.
That's this debate is going to go on for a
long long time and I don't know if there's an
easy solution.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
And what you heard from Brent Hatch is that and
to his credit, he kind of defined it at the
beginning of the interview. He has a narrow focus of
representing these homeowners. But there's save our canyons. There are
as I think the water Conservancy District that serves Salt
Lake City and Sandy has a lawsuit. There's a number
of lawsuits that are out there. There is this issue

(24:26):
though about any more development in an area that already
feels pretty filled up and pretty congestioned already. Anything that
would add to that is just getting a natural and
understandable recoil from the public that live along the Wasatatch front.
And so I can see why there is that that recoil.
But some of this I don't know that the snake

(24:47):
of they call the red snagative of the break lights
that are through these canyons, but that's that's the little
Cottonwood Canyon as well as well as a big Cottonwood
canyon that in and of itself isn't sustainable. So something
has to I think something has to happen. But I
do see I understand why people would like that to
be a thorough process and one that maybe they have
they have some input in as well.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah, all right, a lot more to come right here.
On the Thank Rod and Greg It's Friday show on
Talk Radio one oh five, die K and R asked,
isn't it funny? Greg? And we we we mentioned this,
what was it Tuesday or Wednesday when all the single
gate coverage was taking place, and we all said this
going to die down in a couple of days it has.
You know, now the Democrats are doing all they can

(25:30):
to keep it alive, but for the most part, the
American people have moved on from this.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, when I saw that trader Bill Crystal say, you know,
hegg Seth's going to be fired by Friday, you knew
that what that meant was they were going to sit
and just beat the drums as long as loud, for
as many days as they could to somehow make that
a reality. That teg Seth be out there. Why because
he's a disruptor. He's not he's not part of the
military industrial complex. He's more for soldiers and for the

(25:56):
American people. That is that is just anathema to the
to the swamp into the Bill Crystal types.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I want you to list of this great this great exchange.
This morning, it was on CNBC squad Box, that's their
their business channel. Co host Joe Kernan wasn't pulling any
punches because Chris Coons, the Senator from Connecticut from Delaware,
I'm sorry, from Delaware, was out there again calling for
the resignation of one Pete hegseeth Right, Kernan said he

(26:24):
basically had enough of that.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Did you call for Lloyd Austin's resignation. Not only did
we lose thirteen service members, we left seventy billion dollars
worth of equipment that fell into the hands of the.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Taliban A couple of years later.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
He was out of pocket for two weeks and didn't
tell the White House? Did you ask for him to
resign at this time? Are you actually asking for heg
Seth and Waltz to resign when you didn't ask for
Lloyd Austin. It's nothing that way Austin did by getting
healthcare treatment.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay, what did you guys forget that.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
Deal with the statute of limitations.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Over one four years? So let's see. You can't talk
about Afghanistan, but you can talk about Pete Higgs.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, and you know, folks, here's the other one.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Though.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I woke up the other morning and I thought, wait
a minute, did we have a Chinese surveillance balloon fly
across this entire country? And we knew about it when
it was up in like I don't know, North Dakota
or something, and we just left it and let it
keep flying slowly across this country. Didn't shoot it down
until it hit the Atlantic Ocean. That just for me,

(27:29):
feels like a bigger deal. Okay, then someone's text spread
that some dummy gutt journalists somehow got on there. I'm
not even excusing that. I think that's a problem. But
let's let's weigh these a little bit. You have a
Chinese surveillance balloon, unfettered, just going with the jet stream
of America across the country, the fruited plain, taking pictures,

(27:51):
get nothing, nothing done. I don't and if somebody got
fired over that, I'd love to know who, because I
never heard word one about any of that. So you
take Afghanistan, there's nothing to see here, folks. You take
him nobody, knowing that he's not in charge, he's unconscious,
he's having surgery, nobody's been given a you know, the
chain of command, which is not strong, which does not

(28:13):
put the United States in a strong place. Nothing to
see here, folks. But and then you have this Chinese
balloon that flight across this country. It's just this selective outrage,
the selective logic to even get to a place where
you want to Hex didn't put that text read together.
I just find the whole thing so unbelievably contrived. And

(28:33):
I think all they end up doing is really making
the case of why they are so irrelevant. They the
only thing they have left, folks, are these judges. I've
been looking at the rules coming out today. Every single
day we started this show, there's a new rolling ruling
from one of these federal judges. In fact, Babylon B
says that the President Trump wants to not be president
any work because he wants to be more powerful and

(28:54):
be a district judge. And I think they might be right.
I mean, these district judges apparently have endless jurisdiction and
endless power to do whatever they want to do, at
least for a while.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
So help us, help us, help us, all right, our
number two is on its way. When we come back,
I've got a story, Greg, this is one where we
really do need the Lord's help on this one. And
I'll tell you why. What a Colorado Democrat is proposing.
You won't believe it. Life, death, money, That's what it's
all about. And we'll let you hear what she is
proposing and what Colorado Democrats are getting behind. Okay, good

(29:27):
Lord help us.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
On this one. Yeah, So Colorado has been in one
heck of a place.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I sure have our number two other rotting Greg show
coming you're way right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Okay, n rs, stay with us. All right,
We've got a lot to get to today, Greg. But

(29:52):
I wanted to bring this story up because you have
to look at stories like this and ask yourself, what
on earth is wrong with people today? Okay, this is
story coming out of Colorado where democrats in Colorado are
proposing or saying that killing babies is a lot cheaper

(30:13):
than birthing a child and to save money in medicaid.
They're in Colorado. They're saying, you know, if we killed
that child instead of allowing that child to be born,
that the birthing expense is a lot more than abortion,
so we should encourage it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
What have we come to, Yeah, well, it's the devaluing
of life to either you know, I don't know if
you're evil to an evil a level of evil or
to a level of abject ignorance. But once you go
there where he's gone, then you should she she. Once
you've gone where she's gone, then you should have death

(30:51):
panels as well, to say, when you hit a certain age,
what why why would you have any healthcare with how
many years you have left to live versus is the
care that could be given to someone who's younger, who
has more years to live, And we can just create
government made panels that once you hit a certain age
and you might find yourself ill or needing medical care,
they get to decide whether you go forward or not.

(31:13):
So if you're gonna do it for the unborn, why
stop there. If it's all about cost savings, I think
you could put a lot of government panels in charge
of whether you live or die. And I'll bet you
there's a Except for the Trende or Ragua gang members,
they always get to live, and they get to live well,
and they get to and they probably have housing, they
need everything else. But everybody else, every American, every taxpayer,

(31:36):
I think that that person there that logic, you can
just start scrutinizing everybody's health care costs and what's the
cheapest way forward for the whole, not for the person.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
As I mentioned in Defensible, her name is Julie McCluskey.
She is a Colorado Democrat and Speaker for the House
in Colorado Legislature. She talked and test to fight about
her idea.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
That savings comes from the averted berths that will not
occur because abortions happened instead. So a birth is more
expensive than an abortion, so the savings comes in Medicaid
births that will not occur. This bill will actually decrease

(32:23):
costs for our health care policy and Financing Department, our
Medicaid expenditures in.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Both this year and out year out years, as.

Speaker 8 (32:33):
The savings from averted births outweigh the cost of covering
reproductive health care for all Colorados. This bill requires all
abortion services to be state funded. The bill requires an
increase to General Fund of one point five million to
cover the cost for care, but again a reminder that
ultimately the state will see a cost savings, and ultimately

(32:57):
it is truly an honor to be here carrying this
bill alongside Rep. Garcia, and I ask for your support
of Senate Bill one eighty three.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
So here's what they're thinking about again in Colorado, right
it is, if you're on medicate, it's cheaper to kill
a baby then to allow that child to be born,
and that's what we're recommending now.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Man, would I love to know what her medical records are?
I'll bet you anything, if she has any medical difficulties
at all that she's seeing a physician for. I think
I could make a very strong argument that it would
be less expensive to not treat whatever it is that
she has going forward then to treat it. I think
nothing is cheaper than something. So why don't we for

(33:36):
the purposes of saving health care costs, even the physicians
that would spend their time visiting with her or whatever
she has. If you could put something like that into
an analogy or to a comparison that would impact her personally, well,
then how can you put a cost on life? How
could you put a cost on my life? How could
you put a price on what my life is? She

(33:58):
would immediately understand and the fallacy of what she just said.
If it was about her that we were talking about,
if you could do that, she might be pretty embarrassed
over what she just said in that in that hearing.
But you know, I just don't think that. I just
don't think there's a lot. I just actually this is
on I should just not be bothered by it and

(34:19):
just put in chocol under them, let them operation, let
them speak. There you go, that's your that's your party
of subtraction. That's your party of destruction and tearing down
everything from families to to actual children and babies and
you know, pregnancies and whatnot. Just it's just let them talk,
Just keep talking.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, another thing I do want to talk about, and
then we'll get to the phone calls. The Elon Musk
interview Brett Bears interview with the Doge team last night,
and I watched some of it this morning. I didn't
get to see it last night, but I tell you what,
these these people on that team that he has put
together are smart businessmen and they're looking at the expenses

(34:58):
and they cannot leave what they've found, and they are
really trying to make an effort. And I hope the
American people appreciate what they're finding. Greg. You know, they're
finding fraud, waste and abuse like you would not believe.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
You have people that haven't built businesses, businesses that we
would recognize. I think what was one of them was
one of them was the part of the team that
started is it Uber? You have? You have another one
that has a cloud business day? These these aren't I mean,
the way the media talked about the Doge team, I
thought they were a bunch of kids eating cold pizache,
been on ba bag chairs, you know, just kind of

(35:34):
these like you know, but these are actually incredibly young,
but incredibly when I say young, I think late twenties, thirties.
They're they are they are incredibly successful at having built
businesses and brought things up from the ground. And they're
looking at this antiquated, absolutely overbloated, just disintegrating federal bureaucracy.

(35:58):
And we're getting their eye on this. We're pretty lucky,
and they see it as a service, not as there's
no there's no upside to it because they're there's no
agenda and they're getting they're getting creamed in terms of
the media and everyone's perception of them.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Well.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
During the interview, Elon Musk was asked about it. He said,
this is a revolution, and I think we have a
revolution taking place, and Brett Behar asked him his first
question was, what are your goals?

Speaker 9 (36:20):
Our goal is to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars,
so from a nominal depth sit of two trillion, to
track cut the depths in in half to one trillion,
or looked at it in total federal spending, to drop
the federal spending from seven trillion to six trillion. We
want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and ford,
reduce the spending by fifteen percent, which.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Seems really quite achievable.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
The government is.

Speaker 9 (36:44):
Not not efficient and there's a lot of waste forward,
so we feel confident that fifteen percent reduction can can
be done without affecting any of the critical government services.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
And I think one of the most amazing moments during
the interview happened when Brett Bear asked Elon Musk again,
what's the most astonishing thing you've found so far?

Speaker 9 (37:06):
The sheer amount of waste and ford in the government.
It is astonishing, It's mind blowing. Just we routinely encounter
wastes of a billion dollars or more casually, you know,
for example, like the simple survey that was literally ten

(37:26):
questions survey that you could do with survey monkey questioned
about ten thousand dollars. Was the government was being charged
almost a billion.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Dollars for that for just the survey.

Speaker 9 (37:34):
A billion dollars for a simple online survey do you
like the National Park? And then there pays to me
no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey?
So the say we're just going to nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
A simple survey greg that could have been done on
survey Monkey for about ten thousand dollars. The government spant
more than one billion dollars, never looked at the results,
and it never changed anything. It's just wasteful spending.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
And I've had it with people saying, oh, we're a
trillion in debt, that's just a billion dollars that'll never
get If you have a household and you are a
deficit spending meaning that you were spent. Your household is
spending more than than what you're bringing in to pay
the bills. If you if you have a Netflix account
and you're paying twelve bucks a month, fifteen whatever, it is,
twenty bucks a month. Yeah, that might not get you

(38:18):
to you know, matching revenue to expenditures, but you get
rid of the Netflix streaming account because you got to
get closer to that number.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Saved your money.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
It saves your money. You start taking the nice to
havelves and you start getting rid of them, and you
have to have the have to have. I'm so tired
of everyone every time. So I brought up the now
you know, the NPR and the public television. Someone said, well,
how much would that save if you cut both? I
said five hundred and thirty five billion dollars. They said,
that's not two trillion. Well, it's a heck of a dent,

(38:48):
isn't it. It's a dent. You got it. You're not
going to find a trillion dollar price tag out there
on one thing to cut and now everything's fine, okay,
you it's going to take a number of reforms and
press acxises that starts to find efficiencies across the board,
and it's going to be the volume of that that's
gonna that's if we're going to save this country, and
it's its fiscal health is that's what's going to do it.

(39:10):
But every time sent a billion dollars, hold, that's not
going to sit. That's not going to get balance a budget.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I know.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
But you don't let someone spend a billion dollars on
worthless surveys because that doesn't get you there. It's one
of a million more you need.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well, a local story that happened yesterday and we were
we were aware of this story. They laid off several
hundred people at Texas Instruments here here in Utah, their factory.
Right story in the paper today. So those people are
now out of a job. How many of them now
do you think are And I'm not sure what kind
of severance if they got anything or whatever they got,
but are going to be sitting at the kitchen table

(39:45):
this week said Okay, the income level is dropping off,
is gone completely. What are we going to eliminate from
our monthly expenses? What can we live without? And that's
all Elon Musk has asked. And by the way, how
you know, federal government, what can you live without or
do you need? That's all they're doing.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, I'm telling you. And by the way, I've only
heard this secondhand, so I don't have firsthand knowledge of this,
but I heard that this large maybe forty percent of
workforce that was let go by Texas Instruments here in Utah.
Everybody came into one room, brought their laptops or stuff,
and then just gave them all at the same time
to the news they were being left, going to leave
their things there in place and go out. Is that

(40:23):
you know? We keep hearing how sloppy DOGE is and
how how they're not doing this in some methodical and
careful way. What is DOGE doing is it less than
what you just heard. By that example from Texas, that
sounds pretty harsh and pretty quick. That at Texas Instruments said,
if that's how it actually happened. But I just think
that there's nothing wrong with the way DOGE is working.

(40:44):
But they're going too fast in Washington. Since when was
that a thing that you went too fast? You did
it too quickly in Washington, DC. Give me a break.
I love it all right.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It is, thank Rod and Greg gets Friday. When we
come back, we'll open up the phones to you. We
can talk about the Elon Musk interview, other topics that
we talked about this week as well. And do you
feel we're in the middle of a revolution? I think
we are, and we're going to talk to you about
that as well. Eight eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero triple eight five seven eight zero one
zero are on your cell phone. Just disle pound two

(41:14):
fifty and say, hey, Rod, we're first in a couple
of major issues. We're number one.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
We're number one on a lot of issues. What are
the what are the.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well the media today saying Utah first to ban fluoride
from water cool We've done that right, And then the
big one Utah without the governor's signature now bans Pride
flags from public buildings and schools as well. Now they
didn't say political statement flags like a MAGA flag or
a Black Lives Matter flag. No, you have to bring

(41:46):
up the pride flag, which is you know, and I
don't understand this. Greg there was when this whole debate
was going on. Maybe you can enlighten me because you're
much smarter than there was. I think he was the
mayor of either Midvale or Murray. I'm not sure he's gay, okay.
And he wrote a letter to h or of voices

(42:07):
on that Salt Lake Tribune site, and he wrote this
about why it is so important to the gay community
to be allowed to fly a Pride flag wherever they want, right,
and he says it all comes down to affirmation that
by flying that flag, you are affirming that you are
recognizing that we are gay and you will treat it

(42:28):
equally and that's all it does. So you're thinking on that,
explain that to me.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I can, Okay, I will take that flag if I
can fly the Playboy Bunny flag because that will affirm
me of my heterosexuality. And so if I if we
can get the playboy bunny flags flying right next to
the to the rainbow flags, then we are absolutely drawing
bright lines between sexual preference. Right yeah, is that right?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Well, yeah, that's one answer.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I don't know how many people would like that, allowing
people want to see playboy buddy flags everywhere, putting them
in the schools. They say, why is that a playboy bunny?
What does that stand for? Well, that's a that's a
statement of heterosexuality, kids, that's what that is. I think
people say, well, I think that's a little untoward. I
don't know that I want that in there. Well, that's
all we're saying. We're saying, let's get out of the

(43:18):
flag business. But interesting governor didn't sign that.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh he didn't.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
He let that. He let that go into without sure
identified it as one of the more divisive bills of
the session, but also acknowledged that it had a veto
proof majority and so if he were to so so
he came out, he came clean with the reason. He says, yeah,
he said that. He said it's one of the most
divisive bills of the of the session. However, it did

(43:44):
pass with a two thirds majority of veto proof majority.
So if he if he vetoed it, likely it would
be overturned. And I don't think he wants to go
through that, so he didn't. He didn't sign that, So
he took the political way out. What what kind of
way did he take out on this? He ripped it
and said it was very it was the most divisive
bill of the session, criticized it all and then he

(44:06):
allowed it to go into law. So you know, draw
from that what you want. Yeah, that's that's how that
bill became law of land. Is it was not signed
And so look, I I know there are bills that
the governor might not be crazy about but doesn't want
to go through. So this isn't the only bill that's
ever happened to, honestly. But but it is a statement
when when a bill's not signed and just automatically goes
into law without the signature of the governor, that they

(44:28):
weren't They weren't clicking their heels over that bill. But
but I have not ever heard anyone say it had
a two thirds majority. So I didn't want to go
to the trouble if I'm if I'm hearing that right.
I heard that answer reported and I if that's true,
then that's that would be very honest at least.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Well, well, we had we had someone share a story
with us today. We won't tell who it is, but
apparently this individual says another individual leaned on him a
little bit and said, why are you being so mean
to Governor Cox?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah's who's being to Governor Cox.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
And we were asked if this individual is right in
quote being mean to Governor Cox said, yeah, why.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Well we think that we don't think. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I think we're just pointing out that he's not as
conservative as he likes to think he is.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, And there's been a pivot, and I think that
that the real debate because I do think he has
signed a lot of conservative legislation into law, and I
think he's taken some heat for it from the left.
But the real debate on a lot of those things
that Governor Cox is doing, because it's such a high
contrast from his first initial year and office office, are

(45:38):
these are these moments of where he's seen the light,
like he's okay with Trump, He's you know, he supports Trump,
he's been Tomorrow lago, He's he's all in. He was
certainly one of the most uh you know, never Trumpers
in terms.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Of politics for a very long time. Didn't like his style.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, has he seen the light and he really does
genuinely like the present support him. Or was it that
the state was there and he's the governor and it
was difficult to be the governor of the state where
you're on the wrong side of the state of Utah.
And don't by the way, I've seen these polls, don't
let anyone tell you that he has a polling problem
in the state. It's the weirdest thing. First off, you
had a local media outlet that used what it's a

(46:16):
noble poll Sean noble who runs that polling operation. That
polling house was Jeff Flake's chief of staff when he
was in Congress. So that's how you know where Jeff
Flake and Donald Trump said. But it was weird because
they said, you know, he's got a Trump's got this
problem with half of the Republicans in Utah. But his
approval ratings are at a percentage that later in the story,

(46:40):
when he talks about how high the approval ratings are
of someone like John Curtis or like Lee, they were
at the same level as the percentage that Trump supposedly
had a problem with the electorate being at that percentage
of approval. So I think I think Donald Trump is
very very popular in the state. I think he's he's
you know I So I think it's smart if you're

(47:02):
the governor, you would not want to be on the
wrong side of those of that sentiment. So, but I
just think where the debate comes with Spencer Cox, Governor Cox.
Is is it authentic or is it pragmatic?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Or is it political?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Political? Is it is it opportunistic? What would you attach
to that that change of heart that we have seen
over the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Right lines are open to you to talk about whatever
you want tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show.
On this thank rodin Greg is Friday edition eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five
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and comings coming up next one month zero.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Hey, Rod, I'm looking at the news feed and I'm
seeing that there's some news that's just coming out right now.
The main public schools the state of Maine, their public
schools are refusing to comply with the Transgender Sports Order
that in executive word that Trump put out there, remember
the little tift between him and the government that by
the way, main's the polling on this is like sixty percent.

(48:00):
And parents don't want boys playing girl sports and we don't.
But I am mixed emotion about this. So these school
districts are saying, if you want to take away our
federal funding that would be for free and reduced lunch
for children that live in poverty. So those are Title
I kids, or for our special education, our individual education

(48:21):
plans and the special ed that the federal government pays for.
If you want to withhold federal funds education funds from
us because we are refusing to comply with the order
and we are going to allow boys to play in
girl sports in our state in Maine, go ahead and
do it. That's what they're saying. I mean, this is
there there. All the school districts are voting this way.

(48:41):
Their association, their principals association, is taking this stand. They're
being told they're in violation of Title MIND require women
to compete the way they compete. They don't care. They
are absolutely saying, sue us if you want, or take
the funds if you want. We're not going to do it.
My thought is this, I was in the legislature when
we had a standoff with a presidential administration and federal

(49:07):
education funds were being threatened to be withheld from our state.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Was this the debate over Medicaid or Medicare? Well, this
was different.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It happened two times. It happened the first time on
George W. Bush's No Child Left Behind, which said you
had to have a certified teacher and certain areas of
expertise or certain majors. But when you get the rural schools,
you're lucky to have a teacher with a teacher certificate.
So it just was impossible to comply with. So we
wanted we had a resolution to get out of No
Child Left Behind. We were told if we passed that
resolution we would we faced losing federal education funds funds.

(49:40):
Then fast forward to Obama his Race to the Top
funds that was requiring school districts since our state to
do certain things to qualify for those funds. If we
rejected those that we either stood the risk of losing
federal funds education funds or allowing the Obama administration was
going to allow school districts to lobby the or government

(50:01):
themselves outside of our Office of Education. So they had
a pretty heavy hand. And what you found and what
you find like today that eight percent of our whole
budget is still six hundred million dollars for our schools,
which is a big chunk of money on a huge
chunk of change we acquiesce by the way, so we
we have always given in as a state to the

(50:21):
threat of losing those federal funds. Hats off the main
that they're saying, you know what, we're going to stand
on principle, We're going to go ahead and forego those
funds then to prohibit boys from playing girls sports or
are they because here's here's the deal. There was an
LA school district where I think it was what they
call it the Inlandport Empire or something. It's a it's

(50:42):
a working class part of loss and so you have
people this is not a rock ribbed Republican area of
a school district. These are hard working, blue collar homes
and families. They found out their school district was allowing
this to happen. They were not informing parents if they decide,
if students decided identity.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, so the school.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Board changes and it's that school there was another school
in that area too. One of the school boards, after
a very a couple contentious school board meetings and very
angry parents, decided to change their their mind and rule
with the parents that they would now inform parents when
when children wanted to be called by a different name.
They made some changes in this topic of transgender four

(51:26):
and on behalf of parents the way the parents wanted
these changes to be made. The Biden administration said, if
you do this, we're just not going to send you
federal fund education funds. And then Governor Knew some stepped
in and required those school districts to keep their old policies,
really to keep those funds. So is main and their
school districts. Are they braver than any other? The Utah schools?

(51:48):
And it's legislature, and it's people at California, and it's
and it's school districts and it's people or does may
know that this goes to a court and they've got
friendlier judges on their side, because when we we were
even thinking about foregoing the federal funds, we were told
you could not be more cruel to kids, You could
not want to hurt kids more than to walk away
from those critical federal funds that so these kids can

(52:12):
eat their lunch and they can for special education. How
dare you even think of such a thing. Maine's thought
it and has done it, and they're saying take it
all if you want it. Are they that brave or
are they going to go judge shop and they think
they got the fixes in?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well, I go back to what you were just saying.
This poll, which was conducted by the American Parents Coalition,
it surveyed about six hundred main to residents. Now, Maine
isn't that big of a state to begin with, right,
And they found that sixty three percent of those they
asked said school sports participation should be based on biological sects.
But now you have school leaders say we don't care,

(52:46):
we don't want your federal money, we don't care about
public opinion. We're going to let them play anyways. Yeah,
it'd be interesting to see like school boards or school leaders.
The governor was Janet Mills, yes, and she was the
one who who had a little tip with Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump is carrying through on his threat saying
you don't want to follow this federal guideline, we'll take

(53:08):
you to court. He thinks that's an easy one. They
can win and will withhold your federal money. Now you
have the school officials they're in main saying Okay, we'll
live without the money. Yeah, I wonder how much they get.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I wonder too. And I'm telling you most most states
are pretty dependent on federal funds for transportation, education. There's
a lot of federal funds they've just got. They've got
their their claws into every state. Utahs less than ten
percent as a total, which is a low percent compared
to other states, but it's still a sizable amount when
you look at the whole budget what they can control
with that eight percent. But the thing that I'm blown

(53:40):
away as is at the University of Maine, all they
complied because they didn't want to lose their federal Nollee. Well,
if the school districts get away with this, if they
take it to court and you get another federal judge
that wants to be president and says no, no, no, he
can't take that funding away from you, you can go
ahead and have it. Because I'm a judge and I
get to say that. Now, what happens to the University

(54:01):
of Maine, what happens to these other schools that have
been complying because they don't want to lose the funds.
A bit of an interesting scenario playing out there. I
don't know if it's that they think the courts are
on their side and they think they're going to be
able to prevail at the end of the day, or
if they're just more principal than we are and ready
to lose those funds to carry out what they think

(54:22):
is the right thing to do well.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
And like you said, you don't know whether to admire
them or kind of say you're taking a risk here,
but at least they're doing something.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
They're doing it. I mean, there's a part of me
that says, boy, I'd love to say, as a state,
you know what, we're just gonna necessities a mother of invention,
we're gonna get rid of. We're not going to take
those federal funds and we're going to figure it out ourselves.
We'd be a stronger state for it, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Interesting all right, more coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Canteris I'm not I don't know what happened to Thursday.
I don't know what happened to that day. I think
there was a clone in here. It sounds like he
was very similar to me. So the cloning technology seems
to work pretty well. Yeah, but I don't I don't remember.
You don't remember Thursday. I remember Wingman, Wednesday, and today.
I don't know what we did yesterday.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Well, our great listeners, you need to understand about three
o'clock this afternoon, we were talking about doing something today
and they goes, why are we doing this on Thursday?
I said, Greg, it's Friday, And you didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
And I was blown away by the news. I was
just chopped because you know, I mean, I like my
weekends too, but didn't know they were right around the corner.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, so it's maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is Thursday.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
It would make sense if it were for me, I
would I would feel like the world, the universe got
back together. You know, I still haven't got my hour
back that I lost for daylight saving. Complain, what's this?
What's the cycle called that I have that I learned
about sciatica?

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Oh, your back.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I thought that was a bug that made this sound.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I thought it was to.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Oh, I know, is this? I was off there. Now
I've lost a whole day. I lost an hour and
now I lost you.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Lost to day.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
But were you some kind of drunken stupor and you're
just coming to life?

Speaker 1 (56:09):
If I can remember the dad I tell you, but
I don't know what it was. I'm gonna have to
go back and I'm going to look at my phone
in my calendar see what was going on yesterday that
the day seems to I. I sometimes I forget what
date is when I wake up in the morning, But
by three o'clock I know what day it is. And
who's news to me?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Who is the older one in this room?

Speaker 1 (56:30):
That would be you?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
See, I should be forgetting things.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I know you should, and I think you do. But
I never reminded. Never, I never, I never.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Never bring it up.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
No, I would be cruel. Sure, I just let you thank.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You speaking of someone who has kind of lost things?
Is it fair to say that about Tim Walls? Timmy
Timmy Timmy in Linna, Minnesota. I want to play this
soundbody who was that some rally in Texas yesterday? And
he's still trying to defend the Democrat and what the
Democratic Party stands for that.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Our strength is our diversity.

Speaker 10 (57:02):
We've been talking about this for years as a country
of immigrants, and we let them define the issue on immigration.
We let them define the issue on d and I THEI,
and we let them define what woke is. We got
ourselves in this mess because we weren't bold enough to
stand up and say, you damn right, we're proud of
these policies.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
We're going to put them in and we're going to
execute them.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
So see, there's a winning formula for the immigrants. Defend
open borders, defend the EI, defend woke, and if we
defend and fight for those issues, we will win the
next election.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Operation. Let them speak, Let them speak. Yes, they used
to hide the ball so well. They say, you know
all we care about our bridges and school and bridges
and roads and schools. And I would sit there at
the TV. I say, no, you don't. You've got a
whole social agenda that's to the left. That's tell the truth.
They tell it now, they tell you the truth. Now,
they don't hide the ball.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And they good for them because we know who they are.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Timmy has another problem.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I know this one's this one's good.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I like this in the state of Minnesota. Now, guess
what Tim has done, called all workers back to the office.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
They're saying, it's twenty five I think COVID's done. You
can come on back to work. Now it's five years
and they've been still doing this.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Workers didn't like it.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
Workers are angry. Workers are threatening to quit over this.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
They're angry, they're going to quit.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
He's he's a liberals liberal. He just got done telling
you how much we have to defend being woke, the
EI and everything else. And now all of his state
workers are mad at him. See, he can't win for
losing because he knows that they're not very, very efficient
when every nobody's coming to work every day. So he
wants them to come back to work. And now they
are angry that they have to come to work. How
dare Governor Walls do this to them?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Well, let's see. You've got you've got Timmy Tim Walls
in Minnesota. You've got jazzmin Crockett. Yeah, okay, you've got
a directive apparently to the Democratic Party, which basically says,
swear all you want, drop as many F bombs as
you want because they're affected.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
So see that's the Democratic Party today.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
You see the problem with they're so they're inauthentic, so
they see things that they see people that are successful,
or because if you listen to Rogan Show, people kind
of swear a bit or some of these long form podcasts.
So the thing is, look they do it, and look
how popular they are. So let's just I think the
key there was just being a swear bear. So let's
just swear all the time. That's that's why, because you

(59:27):
don't get it. You're picking up the wrong cues, the
wrong cues. When you see that, people are drawn some
of those discussion.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, we we just send an example. They don't understand.
It's their policies that are a mess. Yeah, and when
you're out there advocating open borders, advocating DEEI, advocating whatever,
those policies are not what the American people want. They've
had it for forty fifty years now, and the American
people are now saying we're done.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And just remember every single one of these lawsuits, every
one of these judges that stopped that is stopping at
President Trump at the moment, is on every one of
these issues that Wall's just talked about about immigration, about DEEI,
about Woke, all of it. All the stuff he's doing
are on those issues there, they're their last firewall.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
All right, that does it for hour number two. Coming up,
our conversation with Glenn Beck was in town today broadcasting
live from Urge Studios right here. We'll talk to Glenn
about a number of issues. Enjoy the conversation that's coming
up next. Well, Glenn happened to be in town today.
He did his show this morning from our wonderful studios
here on Talk Radio one oh five Die can Arrest

(01:00:32):
and afterwards he decided to sit down and have a
little chat with us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Today decided we locked him in this world here until
he sat down with us and gave us an interview,
and then he decided, Okay, if it means I can
leave after then yeah, I guess you can now, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
We let him leave. He was a very nice conversation
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
It's you know, it's it's amazing to know that we
are his favorite all time radio program ever. And he
didn't say it, but you know he meant that. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Well, we had a chance to sit down and talk
to Glenn about a number of issues today. He was
in town today. We wanted to kind of get check
his temperature as to where the country is and where
we're going. But when we started our interview, we wanted
to know first and foremost about our hat. Now, let
me explain the story behind them. One of our account
executives was down in Dallas at his studios about a

(01:01:19):
week and a half ago. We asked her to take
one of our rotten Greg hats to Glenn. He put
the hat on, took a picture. So we asked him,
first of all, Glenn, how do you like the rotten
Greg hat?

Speaker 6 (01:01:29):
I love your hat?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Do you like the rodding? Get the picture?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
It could have been one of those shallows here. Just
give it to me. I'll put it, Okay, Okay, throw
that thing away. I love it, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
I I think I told you when you first came in, uh,
that I was listening to you. I don't know, three
weeks ago. It is driving up to the ranch, yes,
you know, two and a half hours. For some reason,
the only thing I could pick up was you too.
The hotlight so I could call it and talk to
you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
The phone was busy, but I just really enjoyed it.
Oh well, thanks man, Thank you. All right, let's talk
about some things. I saw this article to Diggilan, I
want to ask you about it. Are we going through
a revolution in this country right now? Since Donald Trump
had stepped in, maybe miss started before that. Are we
going through a revolution?

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
We had a choice of a hot revolution, which is
the left is still trying to do when they're burning
down all the teslas and everything else. A color revolution,
literally what you saw happening in Europe. We now know
through USAID and everything else, that's what was being brought
over here. I talked about it five years ago and said,

(01:02:39):
we're in a color revolution. We just don't know it.
And I could only prove it up to a point.
Now that Doze is in, you can see exactly where
the dollars went to put us in a color revolution.
Donald Trump and the right and quite honestly, with help
from people like Tulsi and RFK and and the people

(01:03:00):
who are waking up to uh oh, I don't want
a real revolution. We had another kind of revolution, the
American kind at the at the ballot box. What people
don't really understand is that Donald Trump is playing such
a massive game that you know, when he I was

(01:03:20):
with him over the summer and we were standing backstage.
He's getting ready to go on for some rally and
we're just standing there to of us, and he just
he just looks at me out of the blue. You
know what you should be watching. I'm thinking I'm watching
a lot on Netflix. You know, she should be watching Panama.
And I was like, what huh? I said, Panama? And

(01:03:42):
he said Panama is going to become a very big
deal soon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
And I said, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:03:48):
I went back to my team and I'm like, why
is Panama going to be President just said we should
watch Panama? What's going on? None of us could figure
it out. That guy is so far ahead on almost everything.
He is watching the demise of our country. He's watching China,
he's watching our He's watching Greenland. Greenland and Ukraine are

(01:04:12):
about the same thing. They're really about making sure we
have the rare earth minerals to be able to compete
for the with China. And he's doing He's playing it
so smart. Instead of saying, we just have a duty
for democracy and make sure, no you want the United

(01:04:32):
States to guarantee and to be there if somebody comes
in marches into your country, give us a reason, give
us a reason for our own survival. You know, nobody's
going to walk into Ukraine if the United States has
all of those rare earth minerals coming our way, because
we have to lead the way with the rare earth minerals.

(01:04:56):
So and nobody really understands he's changing everything. He's changing NATO,
He's everything that we have from post World War two
that we have been playing, all those games, all of
the plans and everything else. They no longer work. And
we've all known this for a long time. It doesn't
work anymore. He's changing at all. He's the most transformative

(01:05:20):
president that we've had in a positive way, maybe since Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
So, so everything you said resonates with me. And I'm
seeing things. And I've been in Palma recovering public servants,
So I've been in I've done some of this and
I've been aware. So so I'm still working through. But
it's opened my eyes to a much more complex and
actually insidious plan in terms of how this money was
being printed, sent to NGOs, sent to nonprofits outside of Congress.

(01:05:45):
Even the stuff that Congress knows about that doesn't maybe
budget very well, There's so much more going on Oh
my gosh. Here's here's my concern. You get to the
g So the Democrats, I think as a party, they
don't have the ability to slow any of this down.
But the judge and the shopping of judges, they are protecting.
This swamp. They are protecting because if you look at

(01:06:05):
their little wine and cheese party, it's their kids, it's
their spouse, it's their friends who are part of these NGOs,
part of these nonprofits. They are right now the firewall
that is slow at least slowing down President Trump. Glenn,
what's going to happen there? There has to be a
way to overcome the certain judges that want to be president.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
There is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
It's not been used before, but it is in the Constitution.
It's an Article one I think of the Constitution. Congress
has the right to disband all federal judges. Not the
Supreme Court, but all federal judges. If they get out
of hand. They can impeach. And I know John Roberts
doesn't like that, but I'm sorry, dude. Politicians can be impeached.

(01:06:49):
You can be impeached. It is the last line of
defense that the Constitution puts in there so the people
don't lose control of their country and their rights. So
impeachment is the first thing, and the Republicans have got
to consider it. They've got to stop thinking that, oh, no,
they're untouchable. No they're not. They're humans, just like the politicians,

(01:07:12):
just like everybody else. And that's in the Constitution. And
if it gets so bad, they have Congress. According to
the powers of the Constitution, Congress has the right to
disband all of those federal judges and saying we're shutting
that down. The Supreme Court then becomes the Federal Court. Now,
I hope we don't get there, but that shows you.

(01:07:33):
I remember, the founders saw all of these tricks. The
Founder saw the King using the courts and everything else,
so they knew what it could be like. Us dopes
that have lived in a free country for so long,
we didn't have any idea that this was possible. That's
why I think the JFK files were so important this week. Yes,
you know, I tried to look at this. Cash Betel

(01:07:56):
said to me eight months ago, sitting in my office
and you can find it on YouTube. He was sitting
in my office and I said, so the JFK things,
I mean, they're all, they're all dead, they're all dead.
Who are they protecting? And he said, it's not who, Glenn,
it's what. What are they protecting? And I said, so
what are they protecting? He said, I can't tell you that,

(01:08:17):
but we will release those files and then you you'll
have to figure it out for yourself. If you look
at all the files that everybody's saying is oh, there's
nothing berger, Oh no, no, no, no, it's the exact
pattern what they did during Kennedy with the CIA before
and after Kennedy. Then it repeats with Nixon, then it

(01:08:37):
repeats again. Uh, and it's repeating now with Donald Trump,
all the way up to the assassination attempts. It has
to stop, It has to be exposed. We have to
stop saying these are conspiracy theories. That the whole thing
was Signal, that that is, I mean, how much more
do you need? America Signal was started. Remember just last

(01:09:02):
week the federal government, Donald Trump and Doe said, we're
shutting down Radio Free America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia.
Do you know who gave the initial funding for the
private company Signal Radio Free Asia. They got it from
Radio Free Asia. So there there you have your CIA

(01:09:23):
money being fundled, funneled through something that nobody looked at
into signal. Now you have signal being put on all
of the devices. I've talked to congressmen and senators. Many
has told me many times, we're being spied on by
our own intelligence agencies. They are afraid of the intelligence agencies.

(01:09:44):
Well they now the intelligence agency says, oh, by the way,
if you want to keep things secret, you signal. Yeah, okay,
it's their device. One more thing. Yeah, the person that
is now running NPR, she was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
On I'm just going to say that, Yes, she's on
the repard.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
She's on the board of signal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
I mean, how much more obvious can It's just like
they have just big knee on signs saying where a CIA?
Where a CIA.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Eisenhower warned us about this. I mean Chuck Schumer a
few years ago said, don't take on the spies. I
know they will come and get you. How do we
take on this military industrial complex?

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Just with relentless truth? And I think Donald Trump he
was saved for a reason. I mean, anybody who doesn't
think he wasn't saved by God is fooling themselves. He
is fearless on this stuff. And I'm not saying that
he can't go wrong. We have to watch him, but

(01:10:40):
so far he's doing yeoman's work. He is fearless, and
I don't know anyone else that is willing to take
him on. He seems to be. I'm concerned about Pam Bondy.
She seems a little slow here. And I know Cash Betel,
I know he is.

Speaker 11 (01:11:00):
I know he is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
He's relentless.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
But under Pam BONDI what's happening. We've got to They
have got to start arresting people doing their homework, not
arresting them and not having you know, kangaroo courts, but
do the homework, make sure you have the facts on it,
try them fairly in open court, and put these people

(01:11:24):
in jail. That's the only thing that's going to stop it.

Speaker 11 (01:11:27):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
We'll continue our conversation with Glenn Beck that Greg and
I had earlier today. We're gonna talk more about AI
and about where the country is going, the evil in
the country. That's all coming up right here on the
Rodd and Greg Show. Thank rodin Greg hits Friday. He today.
I'll tell you later you won't believe what he did
today that's coming up on the Rod and Greg show.
I said, do you know it's Friday? He goes, it is, no,

(01:11:50):
it is Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
It was breaking news. Ill it was fake news.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Actually, let's continue our conversation that we had earlier today
with Glenn Beck, who was in town to do a show,
did his show from our videos today. Let's pick up
our conversation with a question that Greg asked.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
So, I've seen the movie Terminator, and I've watched the movie.
I've watched all the Matrix movies. So I think I've
seen the plot to this AI idea and where it
can go. And and frankly, the things that you've described
can scare the daylights or does scare the daylights out
of me to some degree? So my question is, then,
what because I don't know that it's going away, I

(01:12:24):
don't know that we're going to be able to ignore it.
So it's here, it's growing, it has it seems to
be self aware to some extent. I don't know what
extent that is. But Glenn, then what, like, how do
we harness it for good? How do we stay away?
What would you say with all that you know more
than I about AI and its role in this world,
not let alone country with all the concerns than what.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
So let me just say this, I am not the
expert by eighty stretchy imagination on AI. I'm just a
guy who has studied AI and talked to the people,
you know, the the grandfathers, if you will, of AI
since the nineties. I've been on this and warning and
looking and seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
That puts you in a really high U knowledge bucket
and knowledge here.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
But this is just my gut. It is so important
that the next and possibly the last phase of my
career is going to be all on AI. It is.
That's all I'm concentrating on now. That's what I feel
compelled to warn and shape and show the path, you know,

(01:13:32):
like I have for so long on other things. The
AI is it now? The reason why it scares you
is because you know the story Vicarious. You know the
story of Frankenstein. It's the same story over and over again.
Es men become arrogant, wish to create life, wish to

(01:13:53):
become the creator themselves, and it doesn't work out. Well,
this is the same story. So there's something in a
that knows this is bad. Okay, it doesn't necessarily have
to work out that way. But tomorrow's podcast, I'm anxious
to see if anybody listens to it because it's very different,
and it's very philosophical, and it talks a lot about God.

(01:14:15):
It asks the questions. I've got about four of these
podcasts in me that I'm currently writing, and the first
one is we must ask ourselves the basic questions, who
are we? What is our relationship with God? What does
does life mean? What does what does it mean to
be alive or dead? Do you have a soul? What

(01:14:38):
does that mean? Okay, we have to ask those questions first,
because what's what I'm afraid of is it's going to
be treated like social media was. And this is you know,
that's like putting a supercomputer in your pocket and porno
magazines everything that was ever under the counter, you know,

(01:14:59):
in your kids face. Okay, this is nuclear a nuclear
arsenal in everybody's pocket. This is the most destructive thing
and the most powerful thing in a good way. I
mean nuclear weapon. Like everything, is the Internet a good
thing or bad thing? The answer is yes, nuclear weapons
good thing or bad thing?

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
Is ai good or bad? Yes? It's how we use
it and what's going to happen if we're not careful,
is it will use us everyone who thinks we're just
talking about this on the air on today's show. If
you think you can use AI to cheat in school,

(01:15:39):
we're going to churn out a bunch of people who
are doctors who really didn't know anything because they didn't learn. Okay,
and then that leads inevitably to AI just being the
doctors and us not doing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
It's a tool, and it is a fantastic tool which
I hope to be showing some of the amazing things
that can be, that can it can do, and how
it can change our world. But we have to be
in control or we will lose We'll lose freedom of choice,

(01:16:15):
or we'll lose our free will. This is if you
believe in free will, if you believe that all men
are created, and then there was a plan of salvation
and God said, you know, no, I don't want Satan's
plan because man has to choose himself.

Speaker 11 (01:16:29):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
If you believe that this is Satan's stool, okay, and
it doesn't have to be. But in the hands of evil,
it will take your free will and your free choice
and destroy it without you even knowing it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I just want to take us sALS to all the chords.
At this point, I don't even want it to be around.
I think it's very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Let yeah, let me go back what you just said.
The Internet. I've always thought the Internet is the wild
wild West. You can't control this, you can't put this
genie back in the bottle. Aren't we headed in the
same direction with ASI?

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
This is what we're No, we're not headed.

Speaker 11 (01:17:04):
We're there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
We're there. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
So when Elon Musk said, most people don't understand the singularity,
singularity means two things. With black holes, it means the
place where light bends and all physics breakdown. And it's
it's actually called spaghettification. Everything just becomes spaghetti. Okay, that's
what it means in terms of black hole. The singularity

(01:17:26):
in terms of AI can mean a couple of things.
It can mean the point where man is surpassed by
artificial superintelligence. But also it can mean the merging of
man and machine. Think of the borg. Okay, you will
not be able to understand. You will become a danger
to society because and this is the way it's been

(01:17:48):
explained to me by people who know, and I you know,
you will be literally retarded, so you will not understand
what society is doing because it's moving so fast unless
you connect to the collective. Okay, now, when he said
we are at the event horizon of the singularity, the

(01:18:09):
event horizon is imagine yourself. You're out with your wife
and you're in some monet painting and she's got an
umbrella and you're in the boat and you're just rowing
the boat, and then all of a sudden you start
to hear the rumble and you're like, what is that?
And it gets louder and louder, and you realize, oh
my gosh, it's it's a waterfall. Because now you can

(01:18:31):
see the mist. When you can see the mist, and
you start to row, and you can't get out of
it now because it has you in its grip. That's
the event horizon. So what Musk was saying is we
are now in the gravitational pull of the black hole
of the singularity of AI. You cannot reverse the engines now,

(01:18:54):
it's too late, so it is inevitable. It is here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
So I didn't hear the escape patch in this discussion.
I didn't hear how we're getting how we're going to
like be you met the work around two ways.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Two ways.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
One listen to the podcast this weekend, okay, and start
asking yourself the questions that you need to ask. This
is going to happen. So now how do we react
to it, and how do we prepare for it? And
how do we use it so it doesn't use us? Okay,
it can empower us for a short period of time.
When I say short, maybe five years. It will empower
us and we can really learn a lot and be

(01:19:30):
shaped ready for this. The other thing is, and I've
said this for years, tower Babbel God came down, not
the angry, vengeful god man, the king said let us
make bricks and we'll build a tower to the sky.
I was talking to a rabbi friend of mine. We
were over in Israel, and I said, Rabbi, I have

(01:19:52):
to ask you. I've read that million times, and what
it was crazy to me is what politician is talking
to his people and says, let's make bricks and then
we'll build a They always say we're gonna build a
tower to the sky. Yeah, we got to make some bricks, okay.
But he Nevakandezar said let's make bricks. Rabbi smiled at
me and he said, good for you. Every time you

(01:20:15):
read about bricks or stones, he's describing people. Stones are
the way God made people. They're all individual, they all
have it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Takes shapes, diverge shapes, and he had it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:27):
Takes time to assemble them and put them together. Bricks
are how men make people. Those are slaves. They're all replaceable.
We'll just cut them and make them the same, and
if they get out, we throw them out. Okay, that's
a brick. So what Neva Kandezar was saying, he wasn't
talking to the people. He was talking to the elites.

(01:20:49):
Let us make slaves and we can build a tower
to the sky and we.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Will be gods.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
So the loving God came down and said, if they
can do this, they can do anything. So he dispersed them,
how by scrambling their language? What is the language of
ai Ones and Zeros? How can that be scrambled? Well,
God could do that with a massive solar flare. I

(01:21:19):
don't recommend it because it'll be really bad. But yes,
the story of the Tower of Babbel is also a
last ditch escape hatch that God I think God will
save us. This is if it falls into the wrong hands,
which it's inevitable to do over time. If it falls
into the wrong hands, it will be the end of

(01:21:42):
God's creation as we know it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Very interesting conversation with Glenn Beck today. He's such a
nice guy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
He gets so deep. It's very deep, very cerebral.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Heads.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Well, you heard me say, where's this escape patch? Like
I got? You know, yeah, you should describing something where
I'm not seeing the you know, the rainbow at the
end here aren't. But no, it's a really good, really
good discussion. I think it's a timely one important one
and I think we should be aware of what's going
on around us because the world is changing fast.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Sure should be all right. More coming up on the
Rotting Greg Show on this Thank Rodding Greg is Friday,
our list Back Friday segments coming your way next now.
One of the issues that got a lot of attention,
national attention, the governor signed the bill changing Utah's election
laws this year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
There's been a lot of discussion. Utah was an outlier
when you looked at different standards of needing an issue
state issued idea, how long you're still collecting ballots after
election day. Utah was not in a gray I would argue,
not in a great category of states, all really blue states.
One of the only red states was in this category
of looser election standards. And so Represented Burton ran a bill,

(01:22:51):
and this bill was tough to get through the Senate.
It's changed a little bit through the Senate, but on
the whole it's far better, I believe, than what we
had by way of process before we had the general
session start.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
And we had Representative Burden on the show earlier this
week and we asked him first of all to give
us his general thoughts on the bill that the governor
is now signed.

Speaker 12 (01:23:08):
Well, Rodison improvement, and you know we wanted more, but
at the end of the day, it's a it's a
good improvement. It improves Utah's standing with regard to secure elections,
and that's really what this is about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
So the President had an executive order. He wants he'd
like to see that there's state issued ID to register
to vote. He would like there not to be a
ballots counted or collected after election day. And there are
some other provisions for greater security, chain of custody in
that executive order. Maybe you could share with our listeners
the process that they will now go through to vote

(01:23:43):
versus before. I know that there's a it's not every
mass mailing unsolicited of ballots, but there's a there's a
phase in of this until twenty twenty nine, and so
I just like for listeners to hear, well, they still
get a ballot this coming, you know, election season, and
how your bill will be different than the way they
have voted in the past. Start but starting now, not

(01:24:04):
in twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 12 (01:24:06):
Yeah, sure, So the bill is a phase in. We
did that purposely to get people comfortable with the new process.
We are cognitive the fact that utons like the vote
by mail option, but we believe that it should be
a positive election that you have to make. You have
to request or opt in if you will to vote

(01:24:27):
by mail, and so beginning in twenty six, you will
have to opt in to receive the ballot by mail.
Those will continue to come by mail. There's many different
ways to opt in. You opt in when you update
your driver's license, you can opt in online with your county,
and beginning in twenty twenty six, you will have to

(01:24:50):
show or list on your voting materials in your packet
that you send back, or as most Utons do, drop
in the ballot box. You'll have to have the last
four of your state issued ID, whether that be a
driver's license or a state issued ID card. The other
thing we're doing is providing free state ID to those

(01:25:14):
who can prove citizenship. One of the criticisms that folks
thought as we were trying to suppress the vote, and
that's not true at all. We want everyone who's legally
and lawfully a citizen of the United States and here
in Utah to be able to vote. We're trying to
make it as easy as possible, but beginning of twenty
sixth grade, you'll have to opt in to vote by mail.

(01:25:36):
The polling stations will be open like they always have,
and those will be run just like they have in
the past, which is you show up with your ID,
you're checked in, and you vote in person.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Representative Burton, we're talking with state Representative Jeff Burton on
the Rodd and Greg show right now. Representative the governor
has you know he called this bill brilliant. He said,
there are a lot of people in this state who
believe that we have mass fraud in our elections. Does
this take a step towards trying to eliminate as much
of that as possible? Do you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:26:04):
Absolutely? And one of the things I tell citizens when
they get upset that we might impact their convenience. Well,
I think foundational to our republic is this notion that
our elections are free, fair and secure, and so having
to provide a little ID should not be that big
of an imposition. The other thing rod that we're doing
in this bill is we're getting after some of the

(01:26:26):
messed up voter rules. We had fourteen hundred dead people
on voter rules. And the other thing many people don't
know is more than four percent of our vote didn't
count last election because signatures could not be cured. That's
more than twenty thousand votes. And so what this bill
does is gives county clerks now the ID number, and

(01:26:47):
then they can balance that off the signature on the
envelope as they need to. It gives two forms of identification,
if you will, Even though I would argue that signatures
were never ID are a way to kind of identify
a person, but the idea and the signature now give
us those two authentication methods, and we're also working hard
to clean up these voter rolls so that we don't

(01:27:09):
have people on there that should not be on there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
You know, Representative, I do think it is such an
improvement over the status quo what we've had before. And
one of the issues that I've always had is there
was the collection of ballots after election day was over.
So you would see a large county like Salt Lake County,
they would have a number of ballots that need to
be counted, and in every day subsequent from the election,
on that Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you saw the number

(01:27:33):
of ballots still arriving, still coming in, and it was
sometimes for a while longer than you would think you
would take for a voter in Slate County to mail
something to the Salty County clerk. The way the bill
reads to me is that if it's not in their
hand and it's not there to count on election night,
it doesn't exist. So that puts the onus on the
voter to make sure by whatever way they'd like to vote,

(01:27:53):
they've got to have that vote in the hands of
the clerks on election day by the close of the
polls at eight pm. Is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:28:01):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Correct?

Speaker 12 (01:28:02):
And I mean, we've clearly saw what happened last election
with the mishandling of many, many ballots out there that
could have changed the results of the election. So the
bottom line is, in this bill, ballots must be received
by eight pm on voting night. And I got to
tell you, I talked to a lot of voters and
the thing that bothers them more than anything, And if
you look at all the polls and the research, the

(01:28:24):
analytics that have been done, voters are most troubled by
the fact that we can't call an election on election night.
And this bill will ensure that we do that we're
able to get that done, that we can give citizens
confidence that there aren't going to be buckets of ballots
found after election night because the election is going to
be called on election night.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Their representative Jeff Burton joining Greg and I on this
Friday Afternoon and Jujah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
Cannas you know, so much discussion has been going on
about the Department of Education. Linda McMahon on national talk
shows last Sunday explain what they basically want to do
with this, saying that's not going to end back children
in any way. Well, we spoke with Vicki Manning. Vicky

(01:29:05):
is a senior investigative reporter at Restoration News about this
and about a brand new website that they're calling the
Education Freedom Grades Wester. What's that all about?

Speaker 11 (01:29:15):
Yes, absolutely, so. I believe that the quality of education
of child received shouldn't be determined by their zip code,
and that's how we operate education in America today. Families
don't have an option to escape failing public schools. It's
they don't have the personal wealth to do so to
go to private schools and to have that option. And

(01:29:37):
so we created Restoring Edu to help families and taxpayers
really understand the options that they have in their state.
And what you'll find is most states really don't have
any options. So we created this site to help educate
the public about their options, but also to help them
advocate for legislation their own state to potentially improve education

(01:30:04):
freedom laws where they live.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
You know, it's funny you should say that judged by
their zip codes. I'm a recovering public servant and served
in our state legislature and we were working on school
reform and working on school grading a number of years ago,
long time ago. But one of the superintendents of an
area in Salt Lake City that has a lot of
Title I schools made da callous comment to us and said,

(01:30:28):
if you give me the zip code, I'll give you
the school grade, as if it was just just without
even without regard to the student or the student's academic progress.
And it seemed like one of those movie moments where
you have the antagonist in the movie the principal or
the bad guy in the school. How often so I've
not heard anyone describe it by zip code than this
particular superintendent And now yourself, how much is that actually

(01:30:52):
regard How are students in America regarded? Is it really
by the zip codes they live in that they kind
of get put into this category that they won't succeed
or will well.

Speaker 11 (01:31:03):
Where your child goes to school in most states is
determined by your zip code, the neighborhood you live in.
The school district tells you as a family what school
you're going to attend, and you can't leave that school
if it's failing. There's no option. And so if you
have education freedom laws where tax dollars follow the student,

(01:31:25):
the child can leave that school district and otherwise they're
stuck there. And that's what I mean by the zip
code determines the value.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Of the education.

Speaker 11 (01:31:37):
And so if you have tax dollars that follow the child,
the families have an option. And I believe it will
also create competition in education because right now, when you
do have a failing public school, what happens. They get
more tax dollars thrown at them, So they have no
incentive to improve because when they're failing, they get rewarded.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
See, how do you assess right now the momentum towards
school choice. Is it just still in the early stages
or is it growing more and more each day.

Speaker 11 (01:32:11):
That's a great question. If you look at laws that
have been in state legislatures this year up for votes,
it's more than I've ever seen. We finally have because
historically even Republicans would not take on this topic. I
think because Republicans have just ceeded the education of our

(01:32:31):
children to Democrats, and I think they're finally waking up
to what a failure that has been. So Republicans are championing,
championing school choice legislation now and we see quite a
few states adopting some choice laws. They're not being funded
to the levels that they need to be. I know,

(01:32:51):
I believe Wyoming just adopted some new legislation and I
think that that needs to be replicated across the nation.
Arizona was one of the first states in Florida to
really have significant school choice laws, and they continue to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
So we had what in two thousand and seven, a
bill passed our legislature and we had a referendum and
that was defeated soundly at the ballot. But since then,
we've seen a number of bills and school choice. We
have a Utah Fits All scholarship, we have we have
a disabled scholarship, a special needs scholarship fund. So we're
seeing more options, a lot more options for school choice

(01:33:32):
as of late. Just as you said, what would you
attribute that to that states are coming along and giving
parents maybe backpack funding or more options to deliver education
to their kids today versus in.

Speaker 11 (01:33:42):
The past, because I think parents are really starting to
see how bad the public schools are becoming. I think
COVID woke up everyone. I mean, COVID Virtual schooling was horrible,
but if anything good came out of it, it was
that the public's eyes were opened to the failure of

(01:34:04):
government schools, and so I think that that really has
been the turning point.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Vicky, what do you make of the panic over the
dismantling of the Department of Education. People are running around
saying the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Is
is that a little overreaction.

Speaker 11 (01:34:22):
VICKI, it absolutely is. It's interesting. I actually have an
article coming out in the next couple of days on
this topic, myth versus facts about the US Department of Education.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
And you know, the.

Speaker 11 (01:34:36):
Narrative that public schools are being defunded can't be farther
from the truth. Public schools get a very small percentage
of their funding from the federal government, and the funding
that comes from the federal government is done so through
legislation adopted by Congress, not the Department of Education, So
that funding and all of those programs will continue to

(01:35:01):
be sent to the states. It will just be a
different process of management.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Vicky Manning joining us talking about the education freedom great.
A lot more going to happen with education in the
coming months and years, I think, Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Yeah, if we get all these judges out of the way,
they want to stop being present. Congress can have to
get involved at the end of the day. There's a
lot they can do on the executive branch side, but
at the end of the day, Congress will have to
make some decisions about the Department of Education, and I
think they got a good momentum again if the judges
stay out of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
They just need to get out of the way, all right.
That does it for us on this Friday and for
this week. As we say each end every night, head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family. And
that's great country of hours, mister Hughes cover a great
weekend you too, and we'll be back with you on Monday.
Be safe out there.

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