The Rod and Greg Show: Rep. Karianne Lisonbee on Discovery that Illegal Immigrants ARE Voting in Utah

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But you got to hang on with us. We've got
a lot of important news to share, things that are happening, uh,
and much to interpret because there's a lot of fake
news out there, folks, even locally. I'm spot in one
that's just a flat out lie, of which I am
so excited to clarify.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We're going to have so much fun with.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
You in this show and we can't wait.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
He apparently there may be some illegals who are voting
in the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Would you who? Who to thunk it?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Our Lieutenant governor has told us that, you know, everything
we do when it comes to voting is perfect in
this state.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, this has been her posture for some time that
there's nothing to see here, folks. It's all it's all perfect.
Government's perfect, We do everything right, don't ask, don't make
anyone do any extra work. There's no trans more transparency needed.
Chant custody is fine. You don't have to improve it.
Mass mail all about you one that's been the that's
been the posture. Well, she was quoted and we covered
this on the show and the KSL saying that Senator

(00:59):
Lee's bill the same at which would require a proof
of us citizenry or a resident, you know, legal residence
in this in this country. She said it was problematic, yes,
and she was really joining chorus with all the Democrats.
She took some real heat from it. Even the governor
has has separated himself from her position. He's like, I
love the Senator's position and his bill save act them

(01:19):
all in and even Elon Musk went after it.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well. She took a talking point from Hillary Clinton, not
a wide source, but she's, yeah, married women wouldn't be
able to vote.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Because they're not as smart as her, because I think
she's a married woman with a married name. But I
think she's been voting. I think Hillary Clinton has been voting.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Apparently married women have figured out how to vote.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, and so then so then she pivots and says,
I'm going to do this really really really big audit.
I'm going to find out now it's going to say
one of two things, perfect like I said, or oh,
we found some things and I'm so good, look at it.
I found it. Well, you found it under duress because
everybody can't believe what you're saying. But we have a
member of the House leadership team, the whip the majority

(02:00):
up in the House represent carry on, Lizzby's going to
be on this program this hour to share with you
some information she has uncovered and what they plan as
a legislature to do, or at least the House to
do about it.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
New information. Now here's a question for you. Is ADHD
a scam? Yeah, there has been some new information coming
out in the last week, really raising serious questions about
ADHD yes signing that affects thousands of boys fourteen.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Through SEID that country, but not me, but not me
sure but not me sure?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, well, we'll get into that also a little bit
later on the Democratic strategy to hang their whole success
right now on this guy who is deported to El Salvador.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh, he's just one personal just it's the symbolism of
it all. This is an M thirteen. It's fine that
he's a gang member and a wife beater and he's
been trafficking humans, you know, from Texas up in the country.
Nothing to see her, folks, it's the story we're trying
to tell that you should be paying attention to.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
We'll get into that as well. So we've got a
lot to get to today now before we talk about
our we'll have a little fun with a certain media
outlet in this city here in just a minute. But
remember the story you had this week earlier this week, Greg,
where you talked about environmentalists who say dogs or a
threat to the environment.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, they want to get rid of our pupps, they
want to get rid of our poaches, they want to
get rid of the dogs.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well maybe they should think about this story, this story
out of Arizona today, a two year old Okay wandered
away from his family down in Arizona. And oh I
saw this wandered away from his family. And you know,
a search and rescue team was launched. They couldn't find
the little guy. All right. Well, this dog, who kind
of patrols the area of this ranch Okay and protects

(03:44):
the ranch and the livestock on the ranch, found the
little boy and guided him back to the ranch so
he wouldn't get lost.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
The story is so heartwarming. This little boy, he can
he can speak. Actually, the rancher said, where did you?
Where were you? Under a tree? Somehow? He's, you know,
two years old, he's talking. This child somehow wandered seven
miles away from where his parents were. And this ran,
this dog for this rancher. He found this this little boy,
and and the boy and made sure that the little

(04:15):
boy followed him and got him back to the to
the ranch and saved his life. It's a sweet story.
And so the environs that want to get rid of
our dogs, you know, chalk that one up for us
over on that side of the of the column. You're
not getting rid of our dogs. Our dogs are awesome.
I love I love dogs.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
All right. This is going to be kind of our
open letter to the Salt Lake Tribune because today there
was a headline in the Tribune. Would you read would
you read that headline?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I would be happy today, please, I would be happy
to read it.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
What the Tribune said today?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Headline did Representative did Rep? Mike Kennedy visit Seacott, which
is the terrorism confinement center in Al Salvador? Did he
did represent Mike Kennedy visit Seacott during a trip to
Al Salvador? Question mark? The congressman won't say, don undone.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Really.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
The congressman won't say, this is in this morning's tribune. Okay,
it's actually still online right now. He won't say. Now,
when you hear that the congressman won't say. Does it
sound like he's hiding something? Does it sound like is
he one of those one of those lion dog faced
ponies soldiers? It sounds like he's being evasive? What way

(05:21):
it turns out?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It turns out that what do you do? Spend six
or seven minutes with us yesterday confirming he went to
Lsalvodor and sharing with us and everything he saw.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
There, speaking in specificity, and our great can r S
news director Abby Bonell covered this story in its news form,
quoting the congressman and his visit and what he saw
there in the news as well as our interview with
them about what he saw there. So the question to
the Salt Lake Tribune, So, ladies and gentlemen, if you
listen to yesterday show, and you can always go to

(05:53):
the Roden greg podcast and go and go back to
yesterday's uh you know, if it was in the first hour,
and go back and listen to it if you missed
it represented Mike Kennedy is not being evasive. He is
not hiding the fact, and he's not he just doesn't
talk to the Tribune. Okay, So you are hearing, you
are witness if you listen to our interview and you
heard averybody else's news cast in can RS yesterday, then

(06:16):
you are you can confirm yourself that the Salt Fake
Tribune is fake news when they put in their headline
this morning, a day after we had covered this whole story.
Represent Mike Kennedy visits the El Salvador prison. Did you talk?
But the Utah Congressman won't say he did say. The
accurate way to report that is he didn't comment to

(06:36):
you tribune whether and if you can't keep up with
the news, if you can't keep pace, just listen to us.
We can help you out. You can listen to us.
You won't like it. The truth hurts, I know, but
listen to can R S, listen to our show and
you will get you You'll be up to speed, even
on local issues that they're not up to speed on.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, we're going to help him out a little bit today. Okay, good. Yes,
you and I have this, this this sympathy for the.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So we feel like we're community. It's just community, sir.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
We want to help them out. You know, they're dedicated,
they're a nonprofit, they're all community service. So we're going
to help them out. We are going to play back
the interview that we did with Congressman Kennedy later on
in the show today. So our suggestion to the journalism
and the news department at the Tribune, maybe you should
listen and you can find out what exactly he said

(07:24):
about his trip to El Salvador.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It will be twenty six hours old, but the playback
Friday interviewing things anyway, but at least they'll hear it,
and they'll get to hear it on their own.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
So I'll understand that he is willing to talk about
his trip to El Salvador. He just doesn't want to
talk to you.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Just yes.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
So they contain changers headline to the Utah Congressman, won't
say to the Utah Congressman won't say to us, or
did say we just had no clue that could be
an headline set.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Maybe they need to realize that there's more to the
media landscape in this great city of ours than a
few television and radio stations. There's this radio station that
represents the conservative values in this state.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
And by the way, then don't let them say, well,
you know, no one, when are we ever going to
be able to announce our the Book of hows how
the audience is growing by the day, and this show,
this show is we are. We're heavy hitters, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm just telling you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Cassel wuss than Cassel punks. They I don't. We don't

(08:24):
sweat them on this show. I'll tell you that ratings say.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
So let me tell you what votes. So if you
want to hear the in fact, Mike Kennedy explaining what
he did in the NL Salvador again, we're going to
play it back for you at six thirty, just in
case you missed it. We thought we'd as a public
service on our part. Yep, yep, all right. We got
a lot coming up world talk about what's going on
with voting in Utah and illegals. We'll talk about that

(08:47):
coming up on this Thank Rodding Greg gets Friday edition
of the Rotting Greg Show right here on Utah's talk
radio one oh five nine k n RS.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It just came out. I think this was what Yeah,
just as after this, just after the show, the Deseret
News headline is Governor Cox speaks speaks in support of
Save Act after other leaders Lieutenant Governor Henderson speak against it.
So the Governor, and it says the Save Act would
require people to prove US citizenship to vote. Lieutenant Governor

(09:17):
Henderson spoke against the bill, but Governor Cox says he
supports it. So maybe a little trouble in paradise over
there in the executive.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Branch division taking place.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
But here, but here's what's great. We are our next guests.
We're going to dive. We're gonna get a little more
detail on whether people who are not legal citizens are
actually voting. We've been told by Democrats that this is
a nothing burger, that this never happens. Ever, now we
have a Lieutenant governor saying that as well.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, but yeah, Well, our guest to State Representative Carrie
and Lisenby, who has uncovered some rather interesting things when
it comes to voting in Utah. But first of all,
you know what we need to ask Or Greg. I
want to make sure if Representative listenby, if you ever
had any trouble voting. We just want to make sure
that as a woman, you aren't having trouble votes.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You are married, I think you are married, so I
don't know how you're voting.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Are you voting? We just want to make sure.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
You have a different name.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
I have voted.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
No, I have voted in every election that I can remember.
And I appreciate your concern though that.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Yeah, it's ting.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
So after you got married, and I'm assuming you took
your you left your maiden name behind, you took your
married name. You could vote.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh my gosh, you could vote. Wow, I could wow.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
You know, sometimes voting actually requires that we get in
our car and drive down to the clerk's office and
provide documentation. I mean hopefully, but you know, I think
for such a fundamental privilege is voting, that we should
have to put on a little bit of effort sometimes
to take advantage of the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
You're talking too much, sense, I don't know what are
you really an elected official? You sound you sound too logical.
Right now, that's amazing what you just said.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Represent If you have uncovered now some information concerning illegals
voting in Utah, what have you found out and how
are they doing it?

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Well? Thank you for the question. You know, this is
such an important conversation. And ever since the session ended,
I've taught to numerous groups across Utah and I've shared
this story. But we had a whistleblower that came forward
during the session, and subsequent conversations and checking into what
the whistleblower told us resulted in a direct admission by

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several county clerks. One county clerk told me how they
had gone through their voter rolls and actually proactively worked
to remove all of the illegal aliens that were on
their voter rolls. The other county clerks actually defended and
said that they actually just treat the check the box
on the voter registration form as proof of citizenship and

(11:54):
don't require any citizenship documents, which is how the individual
identify through the whistleblower was able to register to vote
four years ago in Utah has voted in subsequent elections.
So this is a huge problem. Every vote, even if
it's just one vote, right, because the left is constantly saying, oh,

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it's very few people. Well good, I'm glad it's very
few people. But one vote cancels that what a vote
of a legitimate citizen of Utah who has the right
to vote, right, And it disenfranchises somebody who legitimately should
be on the roles and voting, And that's not okay,

(12:39):
And it's they're committing multiple felonies when they do this. Right,
filling out the voter registration form and turning it in
as a felony. Checking the box a testing that you're
a citizen when you're not, is also a felony. But
what makes a county clerk that is accepting that as
proof of citizenship think that would be preventive. I'm already

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committing a selony by filling out the form, but somehow
checking that box is going to be preventative for somebody
who's an a legal immigrant, right. That's anyway we're.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Speaking with the House majority WI represent carry on, Lizabeth,
discussing information that you're now privy to from a whistleblower
that people are that are not legal residents of this
country are eligible to vote, are in fact voting maybe
just by simply checking a box. Now here's my question.
We talk about voter apathy. We talk about wanting people

(13:32):
to know that their votes count. To your point, if
you have, even if it's just a few votes you
by math, that means some people's votes were canceled out
by people who had no right to vote. There are
votes that people went to the effort to cast their
ballot and those votes were canceled out by those that
should not have voted in the first place. Again, how

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do we instill confidence in this process if anyone can
point to a circumstance like that and go, you know
what chances are I could my vote canceled out? They
let anybody vote. So beyond people not being apathetic and
not wanting to vote, wondering if one single vote counts,
we're saying one single vote very well may not count.
Isn't that right?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
That's right, that's right, that's exactly right. Thank you. And
one of the other concerns, and something we don't talk
about nearly often enough, is it's prohibited in our constitution.
Illegal immigrants are not supposed to vote. If we stand
by our constitution, if we believe in our constitution, then
we absolutely should have processing code that maintains that requires

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the LG and the clerks to maintain our vulnerables and
to prevent individuals from committing felonies and registering to vote
when they should not.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Let me ask you, this representative of lismbe what can
be done about it? Are we going to see some
legislations or correct this problem? Do you foresee that taking place?

Speaker 6 (14:55):
I am. I have great hopes. You know, I've been
out beating some drums and I think I've been able
to raise some awareness on the issue. You know, during
the session, we're always busy, chaos that is happening all
around us. And you know, I had a bill HB
three p. Thirty two. It had some controversy around it

(15:18):
from earlier drafts, and it failed to pass. And so
I'm hoping that people, now that they're aware and understand
the issue and what we were trying to raise, that
we can now fix this in a special session.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay, I get is that. Okay, we got to go
to a break. Representive. Thank you for your good work.
Thank you for staying vigilant on this issue. And I
know that our and our listeners care passionately about this.
They want their votes account they want voter integrity. We
all worry about these very things, and then when we
read circumstances or hear from you that our worst nightmares

(15:54):
are actually going on, checking a box just is not
a high enough standard for determining citizenships. So thank you
for staying on this, and keep beating those drums in
and get this in a special session.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
If you can keep this up and have an enjoyable
Easter weekend.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Thank you, you two, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
All right, State Representative Carrie and lizzenby joining us on
The Rod and Gregg Show. All right, when we come back,
we'll talk about ADHD, is it a scam? And are
we feminizing our boys in America. That's all coming up
on the Friday edition of The Rod and Gregg Show
and Talk Radio one five nine k n RS.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I know a coach who used to say easyps lemon squeeze. Yeah,
I don't know what that meant. The coach said that EASYPZ.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Sounds like an aerobics instructor would say that. Really, never mind,
I digress. All right, let's carry on.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, there has been a lot of talk this week,
a couple of issues greg the new department ahead of HHS,
Robert F. Kendy announced, I think it was earlier this
week that they were going to launch a massive effort
and try and get to the bottom of autism in
this country. He says, we hope to have some man
is by September, which to me seems a little fast,
but maybe done.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Look, I'm going to tell you we're down to one
and thirty five children, but it only really impacts boys.
So whatever that demographic of one in thirty five berths
our children who suffer from are on the spectrum of autism.
That's a high, high number when it was just in
two thousand and three about one hundred and fifty or

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one hundred and fifty five. It is there's something going on,
and to try and say that there's not. I am
hoping that there's some obvious answers that people have for
whatever reason, either illegally or just incompetence. I don't know
what it is, but I hope that there's an answer
out there that we can address quickly.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well. Another issue that's getting attention, of course is ADHD,
which is attention depthsit hyperactivity disorder, which is different from autism.
It is I think a lot of people tend to
get them confused, but it is different. And as a
matter of fact, The New York Times Sunday magazine this
past week reported that experts are now questioning whether they've
been thinking about ADHD all wrong. Let's find out. Joining

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us on our Newsmaker line right now, as Joey Pullman,
managing editor of The Federalist Joy, you've been reading that story.
You've been digging into this what are your thoughts and
you know what, what is this information now telling us?

Speaker 9 (18:16):
Joy, Well, there was this long article in New York
Times magazine over the weekend that really reviewed the history
and the current state of ADHD research, and it actually
is interesting.

Speaker 10 (18:29):
I think that it.

Speaker 9 (18:30):
Confirms the gut feelings of a lot of parents, teachers, uh, doctors,
other folks who work with children that a lot you
know that. Well, the two I think big findings were
that they're still after years and decades of trying a
lot of money thrown a scientists cannot find any biological
basis for the condition called ADHD, which means, you know,

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but the problem with that is that doctors and teachers,
parents have been treating it as if you know, it's
kind of a disease, there's a something discreete in the
body that you can find and address with medication. You know,
for all of the years we've been giving children some
very strong, powerful drugs, you know, to treat something that
doctor of that scientists really cannot you know, find any

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biological basis for treating. And so I think the second
big finding or that the article discusses is this disconnect
between that reality and the treatment of especially a little boys,
these skyrocketing use of these an amphathetamine drugs, not just
among children. We now have almost one quarter of seventeen

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year old American boys are taking an ADHD drug, but
increasing numbers of adults. And so these kind of two
things together, really I think confirm a lot of people's
gut feelings that maybe ADHD isn't actually a disease, it's
not a biological problem, but it is more likely to

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be a psychological, a psychosocial, a community, a relationship, a
psychological problem. And that really confirms kind of the gut
feeling of a lot of people, even though that's not
what a lot of folks in medicine have been telling
people for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
What I found interesting, and you quote this in your
article about Riddlin and its rapid growth, but no one
knows exactly how the medication has worked and whether it
really is best for the kids. Yet ritalin is prescribed
all the time, is it not, Joyne.

Speaker 10 (20:31):
Well, that's right, you know.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
So the diagnoses have more than tripled since the nineteen nineties.
I believe it's now more than seven million American kids
are using this drug. That's again one in nine children, huge,
huge numbers of American children are on this drug. And again,
you know, and they've been and doctors have been prescribing that,

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and teachers have been pushing and you know, parents to
get it for their kids. Again without any research thesis
really finding that a of all, there is even a
disease that we can find that we can locate, you know,
some biological problem, or without even knowing the long term
effects of giving these very powerful drugs to kids. I mean,
we're talking this is a class of drugs that has

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been given to for example, US soldiers and combat conditions
to help them, you know, deal with the situations that
they find themselves in our long haul truckers, you know,
wanting to have focus on a very boring and uh
you know, tedious job.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
You know.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
So the idea of giving that to children really should
should for a very long time, have made a lot
of people pause, but unfortunately a lot many of them
have not.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
We're talking right now with Joy Pullman from The Federalist
talking about ADHD. My co host Greg Hughes mentioned to
me the other day, Joy that, uh, several years ago,
Utah lawmakers passed a law which prevented teachers from recommending
to parents that their children should consider or they should
consider giving their children these type of drugs are you know,

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do teacher sometimes get in the way of what is
really going on here?

Speaker 10 (22:05):
Right?

Speaker 9 (22:05):
I mean, so there's there's of course been a lot
of talk. I mean, I think one of the big
dynamics that's going on here that I tried to pull
out in my writing about the article is the misunderstanding
and kind of the criminalization of just being a little boy,
or you know, making it really problematic or something bad
about a person just to be born a boy. And
the reason you know that we're talking about boys is,

(22:27):
of course boys on average tend to be way more
active than girls, you know where you know, they they
tend to exhibit just naturally more of the behaviors that
now we would label as ADHD or some other kind
of condition. But it's not a disease to be a boy, unfortunately,
I have to say that, you know, but there's nothing

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wrong with being born a boy. Boys are just as
great as girls. You know, we should love them and
and as a society appreciate them just as much as
we do girls. And so that dynamic there. I think
there's been this growth in the growth in lack of
understanding of the differences between boys and girls and the
fact that boys may have different needs than girls and

(23:10):
different behaviors. Right, so for a little boy to be
jumping up and down, climbing all over the place, or
you know, kind of inattentive and for forgetful, these are
things that people have noticed that little boys have done,
you know, for centuries. I mean, anyone with any knowledge
of human nature experience with children could tell you that
without having to be a doctor or anything. So I

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think there absolutely is a connection between, you know, inhospitability
of the public education system to just the state of
being a boy. When again, it is not wrong or
bad to be a boy. And if little boys, many
of them, are not a good fit for the system,
maybe instead of drugging the boys so that they shut

(23:51):
up and sit down, maybe we should be thinking, hmm,
how can we alter this system to be more hospitable
and appropriate to boys, because there is nothing wrong with
being a boy.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
How has the school system in this country, in your opinion, Joy,
prevented boys from being boys? I mean they try and
you know, act like a girl, sit quietly, sit still,
do your work. Boys just can't do that, not all
the time, they can sometimes. But how has the school
system impacted this, do you think?

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Joy?

Speaker 9 (24:21):
Well, so, there has been actually also a lot of
research that also goes completely ignored about the differences between
boys and girls biologically that of course have consequences for classrooms,
you know. So one of them is, you know, high
expectations as well as really being focused on facts. You know,
researchers such have really demonstrated that girls are more I

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mean this again, we don't really need research to demonstrate this.
That has been proven. Girls are more interested in thoughts, feelings,
you know, people's psychological dramas. But boys are more interested
in action and knowledge and concrete facts.

Speaker 7 (24:57):
You know.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
So for example, just think about the trope of a
little boy memorizing all of his baseball cards, right, so
that is absolutely a form of valid learning, you know,
or nowadays we would say, you know, little boys memorizing
all of the characters in the Marvel universe, you know,
and and their powers and their machine and their kind
of weapons. You know, little boys absolutely have a very
great capacity for learning a great vast amount of knowledge.

Speaker 11 (25:22):
You know.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
But if the school, you know, for example, is focused
more on feminine forms of learning, then school will become
less interesting to a little boy. And that's not because
he's stupid, but it's because, you know, the school environment
may not be hospitable to them, you know, to him,
so uh, fact focused, you know, names, numbers and dates.
That's that is a very male oriented knowledge sort of

(25:44):
way of learning. And the school system has for the
last one hundred years increasingly downplayed facts and figures. Nowadays
they kind of dismiss it with the idea, oh, you
can just google that, Well, why do you need to
know that? Which is a completely I mean anyway, there's
a lot behind that, but the idea of being, you know,
we want to teach children's skills rather than knowledge or
dry road memorization. You know, there's all of these sort

(26:07):
of misnomers going on in schools that just about the
way of teaching children. And of course there's just the
cooping up of boys in school for such a long
period of time. You know, if you're sending up little
boy off in a school bus seven seven thirty in
the morning and he's not home till three three thirty
in the afternoon. That's that's you know, an eight hour
day for a seven year old child, for a five

(26:28):
year old child, for a ten year old child. That
is a really really ridiculous amount of time to ask
a little boy to be shutting up, obeying people, you know,
having micromanagement of someone over every.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
Aspect of his day.

Speaker 9 (26:41):
Little boys and little girls need a lot more free
play and a lot more movement in our lives. So
for example, the school that my sons go to, they
have standing desk for the children and they have two
recesses per day. A lot of schools are eliminating recess
and activity periods in order to be focused on test prep, right,
so that's another kind of change in the school. So
that's really and I think it's bad for girls as well,

(27:03):
but we can see the negative effects more obviously for
larger numbers of little boys.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Joey, thank you for joining us as Joey Pullman, managing
editor of The Federalist, talking about why doctors are giving
kids ADHD drugs and Greg, I want to get you
we can talk about this because I want to get
some thoughts from our listeners as well. You know, our
schools designed for boys, I don't know if they are.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, no, you know, boys and girls are are different, different,
and and and the fear is that the hyperactivity of
young men can be pointed to as ADHD, which would
be would not be actually accurate. And I think some
of that. I think a docile boy sometimes might be
more cooperative in a classroom climate, but might not be
actually medically legitimate.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, all right, we'll talk more about that coming up
right here on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk
Radio one oh five nine k NRS.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
He's denying the margarita angle of the story. Now, I
will tell you that this man Garcia looked quite fetching
him in his Larry Easter esque, you know, plaid shirt.
He had on a Chief's hat. He had on a
Chief super Bowl hat with the logo of the Super
Bowl matching the shirt. Whatever that drink was in the car,
and the Senator says it was not a margerite. It

(28:11):
did have some kind of salt or something that was
on the rim of the glass. So I don't know,
I don't know what they're drinking down there.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
All right, for the coming now or the show is
yours if you'd like to go in and join us.
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zer
all more coming up after a news update with that.
You know spring and Utah, give it five seconds, the
weather will change like it did.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Stand well, Like I said, the sun shining has something
to do with my mental attude. I don't know that
it was any warmer today, but I feel warmer because
I could I could feel the sun on me. Okay,
so let's talk about this. Let's talk about psychotropic drugs. Yeah,
riddlin adderall you name it, kids, hyperactivity, ADHD, attention deficit,
hyperactive activity. A number of years ago, when I was

(28:55):
in the legislature, we ran a bill that it required
that the parents could not be recommended psychotropic drugs by educators.
This had to be done by a doctor. In other words,
that you couldn't go to your parent teacher conference meeting
and them saying, load this kid up with literally riddling
because he's driving me nuts. He's just he's just distracting everyone.
He's just a rotten kid. Yeah, do it. I'm sure

(29:17):
they say it in a more diplomatic way, But what
they're asking is for you to get your child on
psychotropic drugs so that they will be more chill. I
would argue zombie like so that they can get that,
so that they have a better control or handle on
their classroom. We argued that that's not a medical diagnosis,
that's a that's a work condition of which is being
discussed with the parents, and so the parents should be

(29:39):
they can ask a doctor if they'd like whether their
kid is you know, could they assess them or whatever,
but the teachers should stay out of that space. U.
There are some different opinion, differences of opinion. I'll just
my position is this, having been a father, my kids
are adults now, they didn't inherit my probable ADHD. I
don't know I was were officially diagnosed as a kid.

(30:01):
And all I'm saying is if I put those teachers
through this refiners fire and nobody got me in there,
they aren't their keep there and their pay and they
still taught the class and I somehow got out the
other side and never no harm, no file. So if
we could do it, I could do it. The teachers
had to be in there were my teachers in the classroom,
did it? I say, hey, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't
drug up these kids.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, And I'm with you. Greg you know, and I
know of people who do, and I under you know,
it's their decision, but I mean, if you think about it, Greg,
and this article pointed out it basically said, scientists for
years of believe that a biomarker like a specific gene
could lead to a direct diagnosis of ADHD. Right, research
now suggests that's false and HD ADHD is just a

(30:45):
collection of symptoms that can be subjective and arbitrarily diagnosed.
And like you're saying, you know, giving kids drugs, I'm
not a fan of it. I understand that people who
have to do it, but boy, i'd like get our
listeners thought, because they're a parent out there who are
trying to figure out, okay, what's going on with my child?
Primarily you know they're boys. Do I give them drugs?

(31:07):
What do I do with it? I'd like to get
your experience and if you decided not to and what
has happened? Some people say they simply grow out of it.
Eight eight eight Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well there's an example I'd argue for it. My dumb
friend D he's his first or sending grade, kick the
teacher right in the shins hard that kid. They needed
toot him and give him some drugs. That kid was
a rotten kid. He's worse than me by a lot
eight eight eight five seven zero one zero. Your experience
with your children, adhd, did you go with the drugs?

(31:38):
Did you say no, we'll work through it. What happened?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Let's go to Darby, who's on I fifteen tonight. She
wants to share her story. Darby, thanks for joining us
here on the Rotten Greg Show. Go ahead.

Speaker 12 (31:48):
Yeah, they tried to put my son on drugs, and
the teachers wanted to. They suggested it from second grade
on until I left Utah and moved to Oregon. But
I would not put him on drugs. Totally against drugs, completely,
one hundred percent. And he grew up to be an
All state defensive player for the State of Oregon, MVP

(32:11):
Player of the League, Defensive Player of the League. He
yelled the record for most assistant and an assistant tackles
made by a high school player last time I checked
about six years ago.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
So wow, drugs, Well, why did you Why did you
make that decision? Derby? Did the drug scary it? Did
you think he'd be growing out of it? Why did
you make that decision?

Speaker 12 (32:31):
Well, first, of all, if they put your kick on
drugs when they're little, they're going to grow up and
be drug addicts. I read about the drug all it
is is speed.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's just stupid.

Speaker 12 (32:41):
My one friend just gives her son a cup of
coffee in the morning and that helps calm him down
before he goes to school. Nobody suggested that for me.
I started with just very harsh drugs.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, and in the greatest way, Derby became the All
State Yes he did.

Speaker 8 (32:59):
It's number one.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Tell you's eating quarterbacks, eating your running backs. I love
this story. This is the greatest story.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
You know, I've never heard of that. Giving a kid
a cup of coffee in the morning when they super
charge them up. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe that's what they need.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's good. That is a good observation. What a mom
I'm proud of. Okay, let's go to Jason and Saratoga Springs. Jason,
Welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
Hey, well, thank you, gentlemen. Well look, I got three kids.
There're three days out of the year. They're sixteen, seventeen,
and eighteen, so it can definitely get chaotic. And you know,
look art cake on it has been as kids man
you've got to steal all those emotions, and if you
don't learn how to cope with them now, you're not
going to be able to cope with those later in life.
And if you medicate your kids, they're just going to

(33:43):
lose some of those skills that are going to be
imperative to their success later in life. And I'll tell
you all of them, they're all amazing. We never medicated
a single one of them and they're happy, healthy, well
adjusted adults.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Did you talk about medicaiding them, Jason? I mean did
was that part of the discussion in your family?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (34:00):
It was my wife and I had a line around
that topic, and you know, there were times and we
honestly didn't know if that was a decision. Kind of
like you had alluded to earlier, we were we making that
for ourselves, Like raising kids is tough, so we just
aligned that, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna run through all
the emotions together as a family and learn how to
love through it.

Speaker 13 (34:17):
And it worked well.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Good for you, Jason good, I like you. Thank you
for sharing your story.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Let's go to Kyle and orum. Kyle, Welcome to The
Running Greg Show. What do you make of all.

Speaker 14 (34:26):
This, we had two children that had ADHD and teachers
and therapists want to put them on and.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Are you there, go ahead, Kyle, we lost you.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
I'm sorry. I'm just so grateful for rest to it.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh wow, Kyle, thank you. We can hear the motion. Kyle.
That is a tough, tough deal. But look, he's on
the other side of this. He's just grateful that with
all that. You know, when you're told by look, there
was an error, and it wasn't long ago when doctors
were telling you, or if teachers are pointing you to
doctors and they were confirming what the teacher was saying,
saying you got to do this, there was a high

(35:15):
level of trust that would that that people had for
our healthcare system, our doctors. I don't have it anymore,
I really don't. I don't have the kind of trust
they used to have in our.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Healthcare people do anyone.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
And so when you look now in twenty twenty five
and you look in hindsight, man, some of those decisions
as a parent were you went against the grain. When
you went against what people were telling you you're supposed
to do, you felt like you might be making the
wrong choice. You went with your gut.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Bit.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
You can hear in the emotion in Kyle's voice, He's
so grateful he didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Do these do these drugs? Greg? Do you know, I
know you're not a doctor in this area, but do
they attempt Do they trying to calm the boys down?
Slow them down a little bit? Allow you to focused?
I mean, what does these drugs do.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
It's a concentration issue, and it's a it's a way
that Adhd has described to me. And look, I joke
about it, but I'm probably somewhere in that world. But
to focus on something without competing thoughts and interests and
priorities chipping away at your ability to concentrate. Kids that

(36:18):
have it, and even adults to struggle with it are
always wanting to be doing something, always wanting and staying
and stick to itiveness. To see something to the end
is hard because there's always something that's distracting, something new
and so you have and so what the drugs are
meant to do is to kind of quiet quiet your side. Yes,
and it gets you to be very focused and gets
you to it gets the other things that would compete

(36:39):
for your attention away, and you're able to focus on
something too till you're able to complete it.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
All right, let's go back to the phones. Dana is
on I fifteen tonight, wants to share her thoughts about this. Dana,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 15 (36:53):
I'm awesome. Thank you so much for taking my call.
I love you guys show. Yeah, so much time. He'll
be thirty. I wasn't him to be thirty four this year.
But way back when, when he was in kindergarten, I
was actually still here in Utah. He had a wonderful
kindergarten teacher. It was still half day kindergarten, and her
description of him always so full of life, right, that

(37:16):
was the description, And at that time I knew that
description would translate into first grade meaning he needs to
go on ribbling, yes, And so I opted. I opted
not to do that because I you know, I didn't
didn't want to. I mean, I'm not an anti dread person,
but I didn't want to do that. And so what

(37:38):
we actually did is I actually told my kids home,
and we homeschooled for a couple of years until he
got past that part of that kind of excitement and
that of his boyishness at that age, and he graduated
from YU.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
He's a productive citizen.

Speaker 15 (37:56):
You know, he's a great guy and it worked out
for us very good.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So you decided instead of the drugs, you get him
at home. Did you at home? How was it? How
did you homeschool him? Were there things you had to
look for to keep them calm, to keep them focused?
What did you have to do?

Speaker 8 (38:11):
Dana?

Speaker 15 (38:13):
Now, I was kind of I was at the time,
did a lot of research on schooling and did. I
was more of the unschooling vein of a mom. I
would give him a signments, I would, and he just
he thrived on challenges. Like I remember one time I
had a computer program for my older boy to do
multiplication in that and Jake it was like, well, Jake,

(38:36):
that's you know, for a new multification.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
So what did he do?

Speaker 15 (38:39):
He went and got a calculator.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
He figured it out.

Speaker 15 (38:43):
So he just needed challenging.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
You know.

Speaker 15 (38:45):
He was reading and I'm LVS, but he learned to
read by reading the Book of Mormons wow, in kindergarten.
So he was a very advanced student in that way.
And I didn't want to interfere with that.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay, interesting story for surely is all right? More of
your calls coming up the Roden Greg Show on Utah's
Talk radio one oh five nine knrs. This is the
time where we take your phone calls. We're talking about
a lot of things, but we're interested. One of the
issues that we brought up is, you know, the new
information coming out about hd HD, the use of drugs,

(39:20):
the feeling that this may in fact be a specific
gene that causes that, even though research is showing not.
And what about the use of drugs. If you have
a child who had to deal with ADHD, did you
decide not to use the drugs? Did you decide to
use the drugs? Are you concerned about that at all?
The impact that could have on your kids? Eight eight

(39:40):
eight five seven oh eight zero one zero on your
cell phone that I'll pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
do the phones we go. Let's talk with Richard in
Springville tonight. Richard, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yes, sir, I think Okay, all this guys, I'm so
nervous here.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Don't be nervous, Yeah, don't be nervous.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Okay. The wrong the drug approach is the wrong approach, uh,
proper effective nutrition that these kids with the sugar and
the salt and the oil. And this is for adults.
And I mean brain fog and those things will will

(40:26):
will disappear, does see. I mean start with start with nutrition.
I can quote some I have some book here, fast
Food Genocide by a doctor Joel Furman.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Heard of this book, all right, yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Of this chapter two, chapter two of the brain on
fast food. And uh there's been research groups that have
have gone into the schools and even the prisons and uh.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Sound information. Yeah, yeah, all right, Richard, you're having a
tough time sure in your thoughts, but you're right. I
mean I think die does play into it. Greg, did
you grow up with fast food? I didn't.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I grew up with food. Okay, I was looking for food.
I was. I was on the hunt.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Okay, you know you just wanted something deep.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, man, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
It wasn't.

Speaker 13 (41:20):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
The coverts were bear no, I yeah, it's I didn't
have a ton of fast food, drunk food. I didn't.
I was a very skinny kid. I was a very
skinny kid.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I was very skinny. Yep, we to not now back
to the phoness we go.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Okay, let's go to George and Salt Lake City. George,
welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (41:40):
Okay there, Happy Friday, Happy good Friday, George. Yeah, it's
a wonderful Friday, and happy that we can celebrate this.
I'll give you an opposing position. So we talk about
not giving our children drugs or medication. However, the previous
college made a comment, well, we give that my child
coffee and they were able to function well copy in

(42:01):
and of itself as a drug. Adults when they get
older or even teenagers, they use a variety of drugs,
whether prescription or otherwise, even alcohol. So at what point
do we mince the force for the trees here in
terms of medicating our bodies. When it comes to an
objective approach where my daughter or family member, my daughter's

(42:21):
on medication, if she can function properly while at the
same time as loving parents or caregivers help manage, help them,
manage and mitigate feelings, that that's a win. I mean,
we all use some type of enhancement in life to
get by. So I don't really see how it's where

(42:41):
the pendulum between so far, where we ostracize ourselves or
others because we are medicating ourselves.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
George, I hear it. I hear you, and I actually
don't disagree with with your saying. Is there any are
there any bright lines as parents that we could you
could look to, because I I, you know, it's it's
wonder it can't be the extreme. Well, no kids get anything.
Every kid needs to be drugged up. But so what
what would you How have you applied this in terms
of when do we think it's necessary. Do we always

(43:09):
think if we've heard that that's the way it should be,
that they should be on a psychotropic drug drug, that
they should take them. What's your bright line for that
or do you have one?

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (43:20):
We do, And the brideline is more in terms of independent, objective,
fair research, okay, but also seeing how those statistics and
studies apply to this human being in the in the
context of which they're living. Because to your point, medicine
can't be a cookie cutter approach, and it shouldn't be. However,

(43:40):
there always exceptions to the rule, and we should be
open minded to facilitate that type of enhancement in someone's life,
to give them an you know, a simple benefit if
not more.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, all right, George, very good thinking, and I think
Greg you would agree with me. We aren't. You know,
it is a parent's choice. We aren't telling parents what
to do and what they should do. Each and every parent,
knowing their child, if they've researched this, they have to
make that decision and that's their decision. As a parent,
you have that decision. So all right, we've got a
lot of people calling in on this. We need to

(44:12):
take a break, get you caught up on the news.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Hang on.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Our call is back and we'll get more of your
thoughts right here on the Rod and Greg Show, Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs. If you're just joining
us now, is think Rod and Greg is Friday. Phones
are open to you. We're talking about a lot of issues,
but certainly the issue right now that a lot of
people are weighing in on is ADHD and new research
is shedding some interesting light on ADHD.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Before we go to the colors, may I frame this
because we had a color that our last color before
we went to the break as a parent, who say, look,
we did the research. We think that what we did
is right. Yeah, I think the parents making these decisions
it's critical. I don't think that this exists if not
for appropriate moments when it should. It's just that are
we in a window of time where it's becoming it's

(44:54):
just being used too much, or it just seems like
it's socially acceptable, or are there other factors that are
playing in that should not play into that, which I
worry about. Uh. And that's why we love to hear
from you, the callers, because I think that your perspective
is the perspective, and it's it's your life experiences that
you apply and share with us on the show. So
I this isn't there's not a you know, there's no

(45:14):
I'm not being judgy when I talk about this. I
think there are certainly parents that have the ability to
look at all the information make the right I always
want parents to be making decisions for kids more than
anybody else. So but that's that's kind of I just
want to make sure people don't think that we're just
any parent that would do this. We think ought to
be you haul away and there are kids taken away
from them. I mean, I just we just want to

(45:35):
know in what circumstances does that even apply.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
But there are some people who are saying these drugs
are being used for adult convenience.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
And that's what I worry about, and I think that
is a factor. Sadly.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, in South Ogden, Kathy has been waiting patiently wants
to share her thoughts with us on this Kathy, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (45:56):
I'm doing great, Thank you. I know if you talk
a lot about boys, well, I'm a girl, of course.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I Are you sure.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I had a feeling?

Speaker 10 (46:09):
Yeah, But anyway, I was born in nineteen sixty before
they started calling things like eighty HP and all that.
My mom said, I was just always very hyperactive. I
always had to be busy. When I was in school,
I'd have my foot cap in her finger going. I
was always moving, but I was controlled and I was
always able to focus. But when I was in school,
we had exercises on TV in the morning, we had

(46:30):
playtime at lunch time when they had recessed in the afternoon,
so we're not just sitting down all day. And I
people say I always talked back. My boss always says
I should subjectionally fast. Well, I had a ski accident
two years ago and had a concussion and they somebody
said you got to go get brain checked, and my
kids said, why, she's always kind of a little off.

(46:50):
So anyway I went. I went to a brain doctor
and he gave me a test and says, man, you
focused extremely well where somebody has ADHD. I said what
he said, Yeah, you have eighty ah, you talked fast,
interrupt you switch subjects on and on and on. And
I said, oh, you can diagnose me that obvious. And

(47:11):
my kids said, oh, that makes sense. But the thing
is I was active. My parents kept me busy. I'm
so glad that I was born before they started doing
a lot of this other stuff. I think you just
need to keep kids active and entertained, let them keep busy.
And I'm just glad that I was born before they

(47:32):
would have told anybody to do something.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Kathy, Can I share with you the description that you
just shared with it? You talk fast and you're busy.
You just described my co host, which.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
You know what I'd say, Kathy, that makes you. That
means you have superpowers. Okay, you don't let anyone call
anything else. It's a superpower you have. Congratulations, welcome to
the club.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Thank you, Kathy. Thanks for sharing that The one point
that Kathy made. I think she is so spot on.
Any school that has done away with recess has made
a big mistake. Yeah, you gotta let kids get out
and run around.

Speaker 13 (48:05):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Do you do?

Speaker 7 (48:06):
All?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Right? Back to the phones. Tim is on Life fifteen.
Wants to talk about this with Rod and Greg Todight.
How are you, Tim? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 11 (48:14):
I'm pretty good.

Speaker 16 (48:15):
So when I was a kid, they were popping me
full of Ridlandlan and informan. A psychiatrist diagnosed me, and
I'd be awake all night, sleep all day and this
went on for years. All it was for me was
a stepping stone to other things I shouldn't be doing.

(48:35):
Screwed my head. I raised four children, three of them
were really high strung. We put them into sports, come
out quite a bit. But yeah, the Ridlan, well, for me,
it was Ridlan, Dilantin and informan just really mess with

(48:56):
my head as a kid. And I'm pretty sure I
was mis diagnosed because I you know, I get wired
up at night and I just want to sleep all day.
And again, it was just a stepping stone for me.
My personal belief is get your kid out and doing stuff.
Get some of that energy out of them.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
A'm been to that one with you on that one?
All right, more of your coals coming up. It is
the uh, it is the Rotting Greg Show here on
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine K and are asked, Okay,
I can't share with you a interesting experience I had
this morning. Sure, okay, thank you, thank you. I appreciate
you letting.

Speaker 13 (49:34):
Me do this.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh you had like four feet of snow.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah wait, well yeah, I didn't have to it melted
earth is ground is too warm now to hold. But
I'm driving for an employment. Come my hair cut today?
Did you know us?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
It's very fetching. It looks very handsome.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So I'm driving west, okay, in Kysville. Yes, it is snowing. Okay,
but I'm looking to the west and their sunshine. So
I'm driving in sunshine and it's snowing.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
That doesn't make any sense. That's weird, ladies, gentlemen. That's
called a dream. He was dreaming.

Speaker 13 (50:07):
This is real.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
He's having a hard time. Are you on a psychotropic drug? No,
now you should be. This doesn't make any sense what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
But I'm drunk.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
You should be.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Their sunshine out there and it's snowing on me, and
I'm going, okay, this is kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, my wife said, Queen Bee said, it was snowing
this morning, but I missed it. I missed Yeah, I
missed it. I missed you. I missed e Ray this morning.
I don't know what happened. My alarm right off in.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
There, and you stayed up all night to watch Dark.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, I was watching. I was binge watching the show.
You recommended it and I don't know what, but I
just I missed the So I didn't see the early
morning snow. It was time my eyes opening all right.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Back to the phones here on Frodday, Greg, thank Rod
and Greg Is Friday, we go to Angela in Sarahtoga
Springs to night Angela. How are you?

Speaker 17 (50:46):
Thanks for joining us, I'm good, Thanks for having me. Hey,
I've been listening to this. I wanted to chime in.
I have twins, both of them have been diagnosed with
adhd UH. Only one of them wanted to go on
an LDS mission and we were.

Speaker 10 (51:03):
Told that if you're on riddle in adderall it.

Speaker 17 (51:06):
Does affect where you get mission calls and a doctor
who is not lds who I don't normally see, came
in and asked why my sons have been on a
particular medication for so long, And she said to me,
as we were leaving, and this is the point I
wanted to make you do realize that with some of
these drugs, particularly all, because they're controlled substances, you have

(51:29):
to go in every three months, and the doctor's offices
are making money every time you go in, and they
kind of talk it up to it's a controlled substance.
But I think it's a money maker for these doctors.
I think they cast a very wide net. I think
one of my sons maybe is a little bit more,

(51:49):
has more energy than the other. But both of them
have been off of it now for about six months
and we've seen no problems being off these meds. So
I'm not really sure what to think about it, but
I do think that this is a money maker for
both the pharmaceutical companies and for the doctors.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Truly, there there are people out there there, We thank you.
There there are people out there who agree with Angela
that the pharmat, the pharmaceutical companies, big pharma, and doctors
make a little bit of money off that's one belief
out there.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Well, I would just say that the fact that we
and I I it sounds it sounds intuitive to me.
Why does it? Because I think pharma has had I
mean these TV commercials you see that you're not allowed
to You're not a going to go buy over the
counter anything or buying off the shelf anything. You're seeing
this advertising pharmaceuticals to us as patients when doctors are
supposed to prescribe it is interrupted. I mean, I just

(52:41):
think it's a scam. And I'm telling you there's so
much about our medical and our health care delivery, be
it the pharmaceuticals, that all of it. It has left
me highly highly suspicious and the trust level has gone
Well that's.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Because of COVID especially because but the amount of money.
Try and watch a television show without a drug add.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
And what you can't think about it for a second.
You can't ask for that show. You can't go to
the store and buy that. Your doctor has to prescribe it.
So what are they expecting you to do? Tell the
doctor what to do? I mean, come on, I I
just think there is a bit of a scam going
on on that. And if I'm wrong. Then they ought
to stop doing some of these marketing things are doing
so that we're not suspicious.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, let's go back to the phones. Let's go to
Clint in Lehigh tonight. Clint, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
Good?

Speaker 7 (53:29):
Good?

Speaker 8 (53:30):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
We're doing well, thanks Clint.

Speaker 8 (53:33):
Excellent.

Speaker 18 (53:34):
So these ADHD drugs, So my son's has been diagnosed
with ADHD, but he has a plan to go into
the military, and because of the system the military is using,
if they're on any type of ADHD drugs, they can't
get in the military.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
So what's your son going to do?

Speaker 18 (53:55):
Yeah, we didn't put them on the drugs.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Okay, I didn't know. How's that gone? Is that all right?

Speaker 8 (54:05):
Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 18 (54:06):
There's other ways to deal with ADHD and anything that's
going on with him. Just keep them in sports or
keep him active and it helps a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, all right. I think if you go in the military,
you're going to be kept active.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, they can't kept yet.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, I don't act.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I got to go to Australia Papua New Guinea on
my mission. If I if I had taken these ADHD drugs,
they wouldn't let me go. I'm glad that I didn't
take any of those.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I'm glad I harassed my teachers a couple of things,
I think, And several people have brought this up, Greg,
Keep your kids active. One gentleman said he got his
kids into sports. That's what we did. We have three sons.
Every one of them played sports, football, basketball, baseball, soccer,
you name it. Because my wife and I felt boys
are aggressive. They need to take that aggression out, put

(54:52):
them within a certain confines like a football field. You
can go crazy between these sidelines, but once you're off
the sidelines, no, and say you know.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
And my daughter, I think the adversity facing adversity, especially
in so it's not like life or death. This is
a sport we're talking about, but the stakes can feel high.
Addressing that adversity is it makes helps format a strong kick.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Like in football, if you don't get knocked down, where
you do get back. All right, Our number three of
the Rotting Great Show coming your way on Talk Radio
one O five arresting with us. All Right, we've got
a jam packed our again. We're on to talk about
the democratic strategy when it comes to illegal immigration. We're
going to talk with TC Christiansen. Now I know a

(55:38):
lot of you out there. No, TC, he's a film
producer here in the state of Utah. He's got a
brand new movie that is coming out next Thursday, and
we'll be talking to him about that and our listen
back Friday segments. Oh, you know, apparently Mike Kennedy did
talk to somebody yesterday, as.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
We have said earlier in the program, and we will
continue to say, we will call out the fake news.
And if people don't know Mike Kennedy, Congressman Kennedy went
to Ala Savador toward that prison down there and reported
on what he saw. If they have no idea, they
should just start listening to the program a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
We're going to give the Salt Lake Tribune proof that
he actually did talk to the media about his trip
tail self.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yes, this is our listen back. It's not like it
happened today. We're going to listen back so that maybe
they can catch up.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
And we'll also talk about Donald Trump and the tariffs
and the Smooth Haly Act. We'll get into all that
as well. So we've got a jam packed show coming
your way. All right, Greg, I don't understand this. We've
been talking about this for several days now. Apparently the
Democrats seem to favor bringing back you illgal alience makes
a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yes, they're here for the criminals. They're here for the
the MS thirteen gang members, the ones that are trafficking
humans up from Texas over the border and into the
interior of our country. That is who the Democrats want
to fight for and on behalf of.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, and apparently they're going to continue waging that battle.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line round out to talk
about more, then, is Chase Jennings, Chase's founder of Jennings's
Strategic Group, a former spokesman with the Department of Homeland Security. Chase,
great to have you on the show. All right, the
Democrats are they doing themselves? Any favorite?

Speaker 8 (57:11):
Chase?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
In talking about El Salvador and illegal.

Speaker 11 (57:13):
Aliens, this story has become it's getting one is getting
wall wall coverage because it's just so crazy. I've been
telling people, if you had on your Bengo card in
twenty twenty five, that a Democrat would not only not
support the president's agenda of getting illegal immigrants out of
the country, certainly the criminal illegal immigrants, but so actually

(57:37):
supporting it. You need to go buy a lottery ticket
right now, because I don't know anybody who would have
seen that or said that. So Senator van Holland, as
I know you guys have been talking about, this story
has just gone crazy. So you've got Van Holland who
not only goes Al Salvador, but before then talks about
how he's going to one fight to bring him home.

(58:01):
And my question is, Chris, he is home. He's from
Al Salvador. The White House has been very clear on this.
He's from Al Salvador. He's in our country illegally. He
had a deportation notice that he ignored, and so the
Trump administration rightfully deported him, and now we're figuring out
and finding out all this information about him. I really

(58:22):
think this is going to backfire on Senator van Holland
in the sense of these midterms. As the midterms come up,
if you're a Maryland constituent, could you imagine you're being
in a town hall and asking what have you done
for us? In center van Holland saying, well, I did
go to El Salvador and try to get that guy

(58:42):
who's got a gang affiliations that the Trump team deported.
I tried to get him back to Maryland. I just
can't imagine that's going to go.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Over well, it can't. And but here let me ask
you this. So the image we saw I saw late
last night was this senator with the individual, and he's
in this beautiful kind of plaid, you know, very easter
colored shirt and a shirt, and they're sitting there, they're
sipping drinks and they're talking. It seems like it's a
very nice atmosphere. It doesn't look like he's in prison

(59:14):
garb and he's in some dark prison.

Speaker 8 (59:16):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So all the imagery looks like you're here to save
this guy. I mean it doesn't. Does that image by
itself show the lunacy and what that senator is doing
right now?

Speaker 11 (59:30):
Absolutely, the public relations that I think Van Holland thought
he was getting to your point is not at all
what he's gonna It's not what he's gonna think. It's
gonna be right, you've got to your point. Bukele initially
in El Salvador was like, no, we're not going to
even going to play along with this ridiculous game.

Speaker 13 (59:48):
And then and.

Speaker 11 (59:49):
Then he's like you know what, fine, Actually you can
meet with him. And then Boukele actually tweeted about it.
You probably saw this last night to show how he's
perfectly fine. He's healthy, he's not is not some third
world prison, you know, with concrete and no food, and
he's not, you know, and so he's fine. And so

(01:00:09):
I think to your point, the pr that Van Holland
assumed that he was going to get from this is
going to backfire. And now interestingly, you've got conservative media
really working hard to find out who paid for this.
Is this something that he paid for out of pocket,
which I would seriously doubt, or or is this a
taxpayer funded trip? Because you got to think, guys, he

(01:00:29):
flew there, He's got to fly there and back, and
he was still there yesterday. So I'm not even sure.
I'm not seen. I was trying to find earlier if
he's even home yet, and it's Friday, good Friday, And
who paid for the flights, where's he staying? Who's paying
for that? He's obviously eating food while he is there,
who's paying for that? And it's got to be either
taxpayers or his campaign, which is I think a misuse

(01:00:50):
of fund And so It'll be interesting whenever as we
get more and more information come out. But actually I
saw yesterday as well that Garcia one in twenty twenty one,
and I encourage anyone to follow Bill Malugin. If you
guys know Bill lobox, New's great immigration reporter. I used
to work with him when I was a DHS solid guy.

(01:01:12):
He has two different, two separate stories on this Garcia guy.
One in twenty twenty one, his wife testified that she
was afraid to be around him for domestic abuse purposes.
And then secondly, he was pulled over at some point
I believe in Tennessee and he was suspected of human trafficking. Yes,
So again, when you're looking at the public relations side

(01:01:33):
of this, I just do not think it's going to
be at all with what Senator Van Holland is going
to think he's going to get out of it, and
we can you know, I know you guys want to
cut in here. But also he talked about other senators
like Corey Booker are trying to get on their flight,
so it's gonna I just can't believe what's going on,
What is really going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
It changed, I I mean, you point this out. Does
that take you back to the Obama administration in the
days of hashtag bringing back our girls? Is this worse
than that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
That would?

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
Of course that was a fake campaign, you know. Of
course that was for your readers to go back. That
was buck O ram At kidnapped some girls. The terrorist
organization and Michelle and others had, you know, started this
campaign for hashtag bring back our girls. Well, I played
off of that and I was like, well, now it's
hashtag bring back our illegal aliens. I mean again, you've

(01:02:20):
got a guy who was completely deported the right way
for the right reasons. Again, you know, Steven Miller has
been very clear on this. He's not a you know,
the media wants to say this is a Maryland resident.
He's not a Maryland resident. The White House has been
very clear about that, DHS has been very clear about
the State Department has been very clear about it. And
he's from El Salvador. He had deportation notice that he ignored,

(01:02:44):
and so they did the right thing. And of course,
you know, they say they have gang I mentioned earlier
he has gang affiliations. Obviously, most people believe and I'm
not sure it has been confirmed yet, but that could
be MS thirteen. So again, if you're a Van Holland,
why would you be fighting so hard to bring back
a guy like this. Again, you've got what his wife

(01:03:04):
said in twenty twenty one, the possible human trafficking in
twenty twenty two. I just again, it is truly insane.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
So yesterday we had a member of our congressional delegation,
freshman Congressman Mike Kennedy, came on the show, and I
reported his tour just this week of that facility and
was able to look at it, was able to drop
from his experiences and share with our listeners what he
had seen. So I think that that there are ways

(01:03:34):
to go there and kind of get on the ground
and see what's going on. But for the Democrats, I
want to go back to this Cory Booker centator Booker idea.
Are they going to are they going to still try
to they were trying to get down there so they
could grandstand and make this into some big issue. Is
the bloom off the rows on that strategy? Do you think.

Speaker 11 (01:03:53):
I will be surprised, let's all track it. I'll be
surprised to see if any other Democrat actually make it
to El Salvador. Because again, this other information has come
out about Garcia, it's clear that he was rightfully deported.
And so as more information trickles out, I'm going to
enjoy I'll say this when folks go back to a
book or if he doesn't end up going. And he

(01:04:14):
said he was going to take a delegation, so that's
obviously a group of and one again, who's paying for that?

Speaker 10 (01:04:21):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:04:21):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:04:22):
And and two how.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Long are they going to be gone?

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
And what is their purpose? Again? Van Holland and his initials,
he's you know, he's at the airport and you put
this video out about how he's going to be you know,
checking on his u well being basically and bringing him home,
and he is home in El Salvador. And so, uh,
I'll be very interesting to see if Booker actually goes.
And again, if you're Democrats, and that's kind of why

(01:04:47):
I wrote this the article the way I did, because
is the mid term strategy here for all these Democrats?
I mean you're saying, is this a one percent issue?
I mean, I know, uh, people have been joking about
how Trump has this time as forty seven forced the
Democrats into these eighty twenty issues that are they're on
the twenty percent side right well, right now, it seems like,

(01:05:09):
I mean, this is a one percent issue of five
percent issue. I mean, who actually supports Democrats going to
take this action and try to try to bring this
guy home. It's just it's mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Jase Jennings from the Jennings Strategy Group, and he makes
a lot of very good points. Greg, I just don't
know what the Democrats are doing. I mean, Van Holland
showed back up at the dullest airport today. He's back
from El Salvador. Standing next to him is Abrego Garcia's wife.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Who's handwritten statement I've read online about how he's a
serial abuser and she has all the videos and photos
to prove it. Yes, that's a touching moment.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
And she went on Good Morning America and Michael Strahan
asked her about that. She remained silent. There you go,
brilliant move. All right, We've got more coming up on
the Roddy and Greg Show on this Friday evening on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can Arrest. Let's
get a news update now Here's Amby. People are looking
for fun, family oriented films films that they can take

(01:06:04):
the whole family too. And one that's coming out next
week is a brand new film from TC Christiansen, well
known filmmaker here in the state of Utah. It's called
Raising the Bar, the Alma Richard Story, and it is
quite a story and TC is joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now. TC, great to have you on
the Rod and Greg Show. I want to ask you, TC,
is called the Alma Richard Story, Raising the Bar. What

(01:06:24):
is it about this story that attracted you so much
that you want to make a film about it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
You know what I make story? I make true stories.
That's what I do. I'm attracted to telling true stories
about people who have had some type of a problem
come up and they conquer it and in the end
I feel good about life because I've been around it.
And that's what this story is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Well, that sounds like all the good the great poets
and all the great literature in human history is it's
always those that spire, you know, inspire us and and
show us maybe human nature and its best version. So
let me ask you this story. I have to tell
you that it should be one that I should know
well and know about it. It's a homeboy, a homegrown kid

(01:07:12):
from Utah doing great things. But it's if you had
not made this movie, I would not know a thing
about Alma Richards. Maybe you could share with our listeners
what this film is about.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Yeah, well, I love that that you don't know, because
I like to make films where people afterwards say, that's
such a great story. How did I not know about that? Well,
here's our story. It's nineteen ten Pairwan, Utah down here
just north of Cedar City, and a young man goes

(01:07:43):
to school high school one day and they have a
new sport called track. Alma Richards is big. He's in
the eighth grade. He was two over two hundred pounds
and six foot two, and the new track coach notices
him and says, hey, we got this new sport track
called track. Why don't you come out. He doesn't even

(01:08:04):
know what you're talking about. He goes out for track,
and two years later finds himself on the world's grandest
sports stage at the Olympics in Stockholm in the high
jump and comes home with a gold medal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Wow, d see how impressed were people coaches and people
who knew track? He did no track when he showed
up and started jumping and running. I mean, how impressed
were they?

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
They were not impressed. Really really, he did it his
own No, he did it his own way, and it
was weird. He didn't. He didn't go with a traditional
scissor or barrel roll type high jumping that they did.
He said, I've got my own way, and I learned
it jumping fences on the farm, and so he's stuck

(01:08:50):
with it. He did eventually impress him because he was
better than an interview every while.

Speaker 13 (01:08:56):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Well, so, what a great story to be able to
share and be able to tell. Utah as every state
actually has some where. Many states have film incentive programs.
Ours is a Utah has a post performance one. You
drop the receipts on the table, you get a percentage
back of what you spent to film in our state.
And we're seeing a lot of great films. Hallmark does

(01:09:18):
a lot of them. There's a lot of the what's
it called The Chosen has a lot of film days
in the state of Utah. Were you able to use
the film fund at Utah's Film Fund to help make
this production of reality?

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Yeah, we were, And I tell you if we hadn't
had that, I don't know if we could have made
the numbers work. It was the big difference in being
able to make this film.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
D See what about this film is said in nineteen
ten nineteen twelve? How do you find sense to reflect
what America was like in? I mean, you know, you
could put Hughes in it and he's that old. Yeah.
What how do you find those sets? How do you
find those places to set the scene in to do
a movie like this?

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Well it helps that I've had a career and know
my way around locations in Utah. And actually, as I'm
writing the script, I'm thinking where could I set this?
Where could we film it? But here's the problem, you guys.
I have to do the Olympics nineteen twelve stadium, which

(01:10:26):
supposed to is in Sweden, and you guess what, We
don't have a stadium any out here that looks like that,
and if we did, I couldn't afford to fill it
with all of the spectators. So that is the one
thing that we had to mostly do in visual effects

(01:10:47):
and create that stadium. And the person who helped us
with that is a local artist named Devin Beacons did
a masterful job. It's as good as many of the
big one hundred million dollar films.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
So so when's when's the release? And how broad is
the release of this film? Where can people see it?
How can people enjoy this great story?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Well, we open next Thursday, the twenty fourth, just in Utah.
I like to start small and build, and that's what
we're doing on this one. And this next week it
will open in Arizona and Idaho, and then the week
after we'll be going to other states.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Final question for you to see and we wish you
all the best with this. What do you admire most
about Alma Richards his character? What do you admire most
about this guy?

Speaker 16 (01:11:43):
Well, I got it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
I'm going to change that just a little and tell
you this. I'd heard about Alma my whole life because
my grandmother lived with us and she was from Parilwankay
and she would tell us about Alma and the and
she was so zippity about Alma. Is because Alma was

(01:12:05):
her brother. Oh it's a family story, yes, And so
I idolized him as a kid because he was such a
fantastic athlete but also a great person.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
TC Christiansen, a filmmaker, talking about his brand new film,
The Alma Richards Story, opening up on April twenty fourth.
Another nice family movie that people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Yeah, quite a story.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
As I explained in an interview, I had not heard
about the story and it sounds like a doozy like
we should I should know this story. I love sports.
This is right up my alley.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Well what I love about And TC mentioned this that
Alma Richards when he did the high jump, he just
jumped right or like jumping a fence post.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Now I jump fences, man, this is how we do it.
That's how we roll. Don't tell me how you do it.
And he was successful at it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Did you jump offence?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Well yeah, but I high jumping. I allowed to touch anything,
couldn't hurtle offense. I have to like grab it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Alma Richards did that? All right? More coming up our
listen back Friday segments and yes, the interview with Mike
Kennedy oh wait, showing us that he did talk to
the media about his trip.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
To Tribune headline says that Kennedy that the Utah congressman
won't say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Oh he did, he said on this show and you'll
hear it next, right, here on The Rodden Greg Show
and Talk Radio one five to nine k NRS.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Sally Tribune reported this morning, did in a question, did
represented Mike Kennedy visit Seacott Prison prison during a trip
to l Salvador. The Utah Congressman won't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Say, Oh, yes, he will.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
He said that would be he did, say, Canna, asked
news director Abby Bonel. She covered this story, reported on
it as news. We did the interview, commented on it
as per the content and of our show. But but
I guess if the Tribune doesn't know about it, then
it didn't happen. He won't say. No, he won't say

(01:13:56):
to you he saw fake Tribune the salt fake Tribune
might not know. But you know, ladies and gentlemen. So
we're we're gonna do it again. We're gonna go. We're
gonna give you a replay. Maybe they can get up
to speed. Now.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Should we call him, Hey, hey, guys, if you want
to come in from Congressman Kennedy. He's about to come
on this show again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
If anyone knows me, I will not go. This will
not go unremarked by me. At least I will be
more broadly pointing this out here soon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Well, when we brought him on the show yesterday, we
started off by simply asking him what he's been up
to five days.

Speaker 19 (01:14:30):
I went to Brazil, I went to Panama, and my
last day was in El Salvador at the Seacop prison.

Speaker 8 (01:14:36):
So I was inside the prison.

Speaker 19 (01:14:37):
Greg, You and I know that representatives are more important
than senators. That's right in the prison the day before,
on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, the US senator was denied
access to the same thing that seven representatives are seat
because we are actually the more important part of the one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Thank you so much. They are the old and slow.
They are the house of lords. They that he had
no business being there. Plus he was there to free
the guys. He probably had like a cake with a
key in it, you know when he went to Garcieum.
So that was I know, that wasn't what you were
there for. What did so tell me, what prompted you
to go and what is it that you were looking
at and seeing and what kind of questions? Just what's

(01:15:14):
the take back that you'd like to share. I'm so curious.

Speaker 19 (01:15:17):
He it was shocking to see the circumstances that these
people are in the reality behind this is that this individual,
that this Garcia fellow that was deported has strong affiliations
with MS thirteen gang as well as done crimes in
our country, use here illegally, and one of the things
that we see as President Trump and in this case,

(01:15:39):
the President of L. Salvador hit hard when it comes
to illegal aliens as well as illegal activity, and that
man was swept up and brought to L. Salvador and
President Bukelly, the President of L. Salvador, is not going
to release him. So in this case, unless the Democrats
are going to send down an armed force to invade
that country to try to free an illegal alien to

(01:16:01):
bring them back to this country, then he's going to
stand in that prison. So what I saw in that prison,
each cell has eighty individuals and three stories three bedside.
These are concrete beds that these individuals are in, and
in this warehouse style building, there were on left side
and right side estimated five to ten. I'll have to

(01:16:23):
count them up. I've got some pictures that actually helped
me to see that. I haven't analyzed those yet. Five
to ten on either side of these cells that have
eighty individuals in them, and it was you and I.
Greg have seen a lot of things, Rod. I know
you've seen a lot of things as well. But those
men should be any criminals out there in the country

(01:16:43):
of El Salvador and even in the United States of
America ought to be shaking in their boots at the
possibility they'd be brought to that prison, because it is
the last place I'd want to spend any time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
In, Congressman. From what I've seen on videos so far,
it appears it is very well organized and security is
extremely tight there, especially for these individuals that you saw.
Would you would agree with that? I mean, to me,
it's seemed very well organized and security is very tight.

Speaker 19 (01:17:09):
Each cell that we walked by, there was not a
peep from any one of those individuals, and there are
eighty of them in each one, and they were all
wearing white linen shirts and shorts. They get out of
those cells for thirty minutes each day to do cal senex.
They read the Bible to them. These men have no
access to radio, television, no phone calls, no visits.

Speaker 8 (01:17:30):
They do not leave that building for the rest of
their lives.

Speaker 19 (01:17:32):
There is no death penalty in Al Salvador and they
will not leave that building until they go out and
in death. And it was one of those things, and
that most of them are young, They looked relatively young,
and it was one of those things that these men
are actually in a living grave.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
On some level.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
You know, it sounds like that that form of incarceration
could actually have a chilling effect on lawlessness. It might
be a disincentive for people to break the law if
that's what they're waiting for. Talk to me about wheat.
We have a president and administration that has done a
phenomenal job on the border in terms of apprehensions and
illegal crossings at the border. Now we're down to ninety
nine percent, down from where it was before. That suggests

(01:18:12):
that we're going to have a capacity issue where we're
going to deport There's going to be a lot of deportations.
What's the capacity of that jail? Like, do you see
this as a long term relationship with Al Salvador? Seeing
that prison eighty people in a cell and I don't
know how big those cells were, but is there room
to grow? I mean, how long can this partnership with
El Salvador last for deporting those that need to be

(01:18:34):
deported out of America.

Speaker 8 (01:18:36):
Get this, Greg.

Speaker 19 (01:18:37):
They've they've built a facility big enough to house forty
thousand individuals and they did it in seven months. In
seven months, in the United States of America, we can't
even get NEPA studies done. Now, let's ask how much
the Utah State Prison cost when it comes to that,
and how much time it took to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
I know you were yes, no, but it was brain
damage yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:18:59):
Oh yeah to even start that process. And the security
is tight. They have twenty five thousand more spaces in there.

Speaker 8 (01:19:05):
And I asked them, what are you going to do?

Speaker 19 (01:19:07):
I mean, there's no death penalty there and they're only
going out if they die. So in that case, what
do you do when you exceed capacity? And he said
that the director of the prison, who has taken us around,
he said that they would the leadership would deal with that.
But I'm sure down there in El Salvador that they
could just build another prison.

Speaker 8 (01:19:25):
Here's a key part.

Speaker 19 (01:19:26):
That I want all your listeners and you to gather
from this as well, is L Salvador was one of
the most dangerous countries and certainly in Central and South America,
if not the entire world.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
They had a death rate.

Speaker 19 (01:19:36):
The State Department before this trip gave us a review
of the country and the homicide rate was thirty nine
out of one hundred thousand.

Speaker 8 (01:19:46):
People, which is outstanding the high. It's terribly high.

Speaker 19 (01:19:50):
And in three years that's gone down to one point
nine per one hundred thousand people. You're talking of fifteen
times improvement in the death homicidal rates in l Salvador.
It's one of the safest countries in the Western Hemisphere,
if not the entire world. And so Greg, you and
I heard all the time, and Rod, I know you've
heard this too, is that punishment is not a deterrent

(01:20:11):
to these criminals. Death penalty is not a deterrent. As
far as I can tell, in El Salvador, the gangs
are fleeing that country because not one of them wants
to be in that prison. It is one of the
harshest environments that I've ever seen, and I've seen a
few things in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Congressman Mike Kennedy, he did go to El Salvador.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah, turns out it's all true. He did say, he
said it, he talked about it. He just didn't tell
assault fake tribune. And so they thought it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Maybe they should listen to us occasionally, you think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
If obviously, if they want to keep up the speed,
they better Yeah, I mean, if they want to be
you know, if they want to keep being behind the curve,
go ahead, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
All right, Moore coming up on our Listened Back Friday
segments here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five, Dying
Kate and rs. The President has said, and his Treasury
secretary has said, weird negotiating with a lot of countries
right now, with Japan, with Italy, with the EU. I mean,
the negotiations are underway to make it a much more
of a fair trade world that we all want.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Yes, it's a realignment of our trade relationships globally. There's
different objectives clearly when we deal with the country like
China and its aggressiveness and its dominance versus your other
trading partner's allies and others who could be actually stronger allies.
And it's actually going to have a time horizon longer
than end of business today, So just give it some time.
But there's been some criticism about this, and they go

(01:21:29):
back historically and look, and our next guest is going
to help us clear up some of these wrong comparisons.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Well, they're comparing it to the Smooth Holly Act. And there,
you know a lot of people are saying, look what
that did to the country. They're fearful that what Donald
Trump is doing is going to happen to this country again. Well,
joining us. We talked to him earlier this week on
our Listen Back Friday segment is Van Moble. He is
a professor at the Department of History at Concordia University
there in Wisconsin, and we asked him, first of all,

(01:21:55):
why he thinks comparing the two is really dishonest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
I think it's dishonest because this situations are fundamentally different.
At the time of the Smooth Holly tariffs, the United
States was the world's greatest creditor. Today, where the world's
greatest dead or so, the situation is completely reversed. And
really the reason why the Smooth Holly was a mistake
at that point in time was because by doing that

(01:22:18):
we raised hair falls. No one could sell us goods,
and then they couldn't pay us back the money they
owed us. In this case, though, however, we have if
we throw up a few taff walls. That helps us
produce more, consume more of what we produce, sell more abroad,
and I think that it helps the global financial situation.
So truly, President Trump's plan is not only good for America,

(01:22:40):
but good for the whole world.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
I appreciate so much the historical perspective of Smoot Holly,
because I have, as Rod mentioned too, I've heard this
as the example of what caused a great depression and
everything else. You're right to point out the historical difference
relevant differences. Do you think that resetting our global trade
partnerships with all countries around the world, and how we
do that, and you're seeing that play out in real time,

(01:23:04):
do you think we can reverse the damage that's been
done even since NAFTA? I mean, if you look at
at what the jobs we've lost just from Bill Clinton
signing NAFTA untill today, we've lost millions of jobs, ninety
thousand factories or plants. Can we with this realignment? Do
you think that there's a chance to get back to
what we used to be as a country of manufacturers

(01:23:25):
and making things.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
I think that there is, And I'll tell you something
else that's really necessary to be the country that we
want to be you know, innovation. For example, people say
we want to be innovative, and we can. We'll just
innovate here and they can manufacture things abroad. That's not
really the way it works. Innovation happens on the factory.
For you. If you lose all your manufacturing capabilities, not

(01:23:48):
only is it unsafe for you in the short term
in the time of war or emergency, but also you
oftentimes lose your innovative capacities. And so I think yes,
go ahead, no.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
I interrupted, go ahead, complete your thought of you would.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
No, no, And then that really is what Trump is
designed to do. And also, you know, there's a school
of economists that really we've forgotten about. They're called the
American School. Henry Carey was one of the big ones.
He was an economist. He was one of Abraham Lincoln's
big advisors. He argued with the pre trade school of
David Ricardo. And one of the things he pointed out

(01:24:26):
is if you have a situation like they had the
nineteenth century, like Trump is going back to now we are,
you get a much more vibrant communities of producers and
consumers living close together, and they tend to be more
innovative and they are and they were at that time,
and I'm just really excited about it. Trump is so so,
he's such a good president. He's on the right track.

(01:24:47):
We have to support him, and I think that we will.

Speaker 8 (01:24:51):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
For people who don't have the historical perspective on Smooth
Holly and what it did, exactly, what was it trying
to do, and what in fact did it cause people
who may not have a real understanding of it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Well, what it was trying to do is what they
were doing is they were doing what they had always
done in the nineteenth century when they ran into troubles,
and that is they had raised the tariff, and they
had forgotten that, in fact, in the changing circumstances in
the twentieth century after World War One, that they were
more interconnected with the globe than they imagined. The other thing, too,

(01:25:24):
is I think the tarif, the Smooth Holly tariff, is
really small potatoes. Back then, what was really the problem
was that the Federal Reserve followed. They tightened when they
should have loosened their monetary policy. The Federal Reserve oftentimes
fights the last war, and they're in danger of being
that now. Although I've seen some signs that they're they're

(01:25:47):
catching up to where they need to be. The Federal
Reserve was slow to raise interest rates after COVID and
that led to help fuel the inflation, and now tariffs
are actually deflationary historically speaking. They need to follow an
expansionary policy and they need so they need to get
themselves turned around. Then if they don't, that's where you

(01:26:08):
really have some serious problems. They have powerful tools as
well as the president, and they need to use them appropriately.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
You're the second person first with JD. Vance who said
that it's almost like an ecosystem you're manufacturing in your
labor that you see the engineers, you see the innovation
on the spot, and so we see we migrate away
from even the intellectual property when we try to offshore
our labor that way. Some are saying looking forward that
America and it's not maybe across the board, but you
better pay attention to AI, which means you better have

(01:26:36):
a very good way to produce energy. You've got to
have access to rare minerals and processing them. They talk
about healthcare, pharmaceuticals, I'd add food chain, our food chain,
we should be self reliant on that food are there
sectors of our economy that you think we're particularly vulnerable
today that we really have to turn around and be
more self relying country because this global supply chain is

(01:26:57):
a lot more frail than people want to admit. Is
there any section of our economy that you're staring at
and thinking, we've really got to get it right and
get it right soon.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Well, I think that President Trump and Jady Vance, who
I like a lot as well. You know, I was
down there when Jade Vance when they had the vice
presidential tryout, so I met him down in mar Lago
way back in the day. Since so long ago, they've
they've outlined, they've outlined where we need to be. You know,
some of the basic productive capacities. Steel, shipbuilding we need

(01:27:28):
to be there. We need to be there with pharmaceuticals
and really we need to you know, I like elon
and space. So you can begin to look at some
of these things which will add you know, productive capacity.
But you know that that is right too. It's like
the main street things. I don't want to cut anybody out.
You know, all the sectors are valuable if we have
a more self sufficient economy across the board, that those

(01:27:52):
tend to be the most innovative and vibrant economies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Then Mobley, he's a professor of history at the Concordia
University there in Westcots talking about the Trump tariffs. Oh wait, yeah,
I'm sorry. You were good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
I was gonna say big differences, and I appreciate them
pointing it out. From then, early nineteen hundreds till twenty
twenty five, we don't have the same world, very different circumstances.
It's apples and oranges.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Sure, is big weekend coming up? Easter? You're ready for it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Yes, yes, I think the Easter Bunny is going to
make a bigger presence at the Arquette home than at
the Hughes home. But it'll make a bit an obligatory
stop by. It'll be it'll be a quick, you know stop.
But yeah, I think your house is going to get
in old.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
The bunny has snowshoes, because I got snow on my
lawn right now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
That is ridiculous. Again, don't get me started.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
I won't. That does it for us tonight, As we
say each and every night, Monday through Friday, head off,
shoulders back man, God bless you and your family, That great,
great country of ours. Hope you have a great, safe
Easter weekend. We'll talk to you on Monday.

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