The Rod and Greg Show: Hogg May Be Bacon With Dems; Update on Today's SCOTUS Hearing

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've got some news coming out of India that they
were one of the highest, they had one of the
highest tariffs on American exports. That's going down to zero.
Just you know, it just keeps it just keeps coming in.
It's an embarrassment of riches apparently.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, Donald Trump, I tell you what, the Peace and
Prosperity Tour. It is to the point now, Greg that
even Democrats, at least one Democrat out there is praising
the president. I mean, pretty amazing. So we got a
lot to talk about that today. Also coming up today.
Great to be with you. By the way, the president,
you know, he is different. He's broken the mold. He's

(00:33):
set a new presidential standard. And what is that standard?
Are you ready for this, folks? He's getting things done. Yes,
he's getting things done. What a novel idea.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Which, by the way, if you can imagine, is to
the angst and even but even awe of former Biden
officials in an Axio story, they're just in awe that
that Trump, President Trump is getting some of these deals
done and saying, you know, why why is he able
to do all this? You know, it's just so brash,
and it's they try to put a negative spin on it,

(01:06):
but every one of them have never seen the kind
of progress being made in the timeliness that President Trump's
able to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is pretty amazing. So we'll talk about that. We'll
tell you now. There was a big hearing before the
Supreme Court today. The overall issue was birthright citizenship, but
really the core issue was judicial power. And I think
it's fair to say Greg that in watching this and
reading about what happened today, I don't know if things
went very well for the administration.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, you're too a lot to tell. I mean, it
was just a hearing, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
If you listened to the show yesterday, you would have
heard centaer Lee and I think we had some other Cleveland. Yeah,
we had another guest that thought on the On the
issue of this overreach of injunctions by these these smaller
jurisdictions that these judges have, you'll find a strong consensus
among the among the justices. But on the issue itself

(02:00):
of earthright citizenship, you might hear something different. I hate
to say it, but I think we're not hearing a
strong consensus on the or at least how to deal
with this overreaching judiciary that's creating these nationwide injunctions from
their small little jurisdiction that was supposed to be some
thought that would be a more slam dunk issue. Observers

(02:20):
are saying they don't know how. There's a lot of
ways to skin that cat, I guess, and punting its
one being prescriptive on how or delaying it anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
There's just it's nobody came.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Out of that that hearing feeling like they could tell
where yeh or the Court's justices we're going to go.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, what's interesting is is, I mean, this is what
the middle of May. They're done at the end of June.
So this is a very you know, for them to
take this on this late in this year's session and
then to make a ruling at the end of the year.
They may punt, which will be which wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know the Supreme when this started. We're up
to like thirty nine or forty of these injunctions stopping
this president from moving forward. And I'm not telling you,
and I'm telling you that it's not because he's overreaching
and doing things other presidents didn't do. He's he's handling
the job just as they did. They are shopping for
judges that they know we'll, you know, we'll rule from

(03:14):
the bench or legislate from the bench. And it's so
over the top. Well, I would argue that the Supreme
Court should have intervened much earlier than this. It shouldn't
have gotten up to thirty nine or forty of these
injunctions to even have this heard today. This should have
been something that could have been stopped very quickly, because
I think intuitively, they can't be okay with this. I

(03:34):
mean it's they're so far outside their scope and their jurisdiction,
these judges, and it does stop a duly elected president
from doing his job.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, so it'll be interesting to see. We'll see
what the court has on that. Steve Moore, by the way,
we'll join us a little bit later on in the
show tonight. Yeah, it's kind of fun. All these fears
about a recession and then about inflation. Well, nothing apparently
is happening, and people are going, uh, maybe we this
was overblown.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Just a little. Yeah, we're not saying just a little.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
You know, they wanted to ignore the carnage, the economic
carnage committed by the Biden administration. But they've been predicting
and calling for and chicken little sky's falling about tariffs
and what's going to happen next, and it's not happened.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, it has not happened. So we'll get into that
as well. And as always, we invite you to be
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(04:36):
pretty amazing. Greg. Again, today you had a big deal
announced which you just mentioned, and he just he's just
rolling right along, man, And here it is really a
piece and prosperity tour. And I think he's batting a thousand.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I would say the same thing. And I'm waiting for
reality to set in. But so far, so good in
terms of he is batting a thousand, which human nature,
you shouldn't be able to hit the home runs every
time you're up at that. Here's the thing. The UAE
United Arab Emirates has been part of his first terms

(05:11):
Abraham Accords, which is an agreement between Arab states and
Israel that were to normalize relationships. They could Israel could
fly their planes over their airspace. There was an acknowledgment
that Israel was a state. It should have gotten more
attention for all the progress that made in the first term.
And in President Trump in his tour at Middle East tour,

(05:33):
he's encouraging Saudi Arabia and other countries to join this.
This is the Abraham Accords is with I think four
Arab nations, and so he's been very politely asking them
and saying, you know, in your own time, but consider
joining this. This is you know, it's commerce not chaos.
That's kind of his theme. Well, the UAE is one
that joined back in the first term. So he's now

(05:54):
with people that saw his vision very early on, and
that's where you see that kind of trust that existed.
Then you're seeing the two hundred billion dollar agreement that's
been met, and they're just even the way that he's
getting escorted, the way he's being treated as President of
the United States is you haven't really seen even that
high of regard paid for a president of the United

(06:15):
States in the in the Middle East, where we know
it's been a disaster for all of our lives. I
just think that you are seeing these are good tells
and the Democrats are going to want to tell you
that all of it's wrong. He shouldn't be able to
do any of this, and if he is, something's up.
But you got to hand it to the man. Yeah,
I mean, he's really doing the things he said he'd do.
And I said, let the man cook, just let him go.

(06:36):
Let's see what he does.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, you know what, and what's very interesting to see
Greg is and to our listeners out there, the Democrats
aren't quite sure how to respond to this. I mean
the theme that I'm hearing now is well, he's in
it for himself. He's really not in it for the
United States. He's in it for himself. That's the theme
that you see them starting to develop, because because the

(07:00):
news coming out of this tour has been very, very
positive for the United States. Yeah, they're trying to find
something and I don't know if they can.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, they're working to.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Really discredit this and say, well, you know this plane thing,
you know, they're still hooked on that. And what the
question is, what is he getting out.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of it, and they never you know, So you have
you have the Biden family that never had a straight job.
The man was literally working for the public sector from
the time of the day he got out of law school,
so he never had a private sector job. Joe Biden
and how those how they were able to refinance their
home thirty times, and how they were able to make
money off of his public service where the media did

(07:40):
not want to ever talk, in fact, would deny any
kind of impropriety ever going on there. And then you
take a guy who's who's the man has his own plane,
like the biggest plane you've ever seen. He's not in
need of a big plane. He already has when other
presidents didn't. Of all the people you would accuse of
having ulterior mode, is this is the president that has

(08:02):
sacrificed so much more, I would argue, than other presidents
have had the sacrifice to serve the people. And I
just think it's laughable that they're going to try and
find some ulterior motive. You're finding jobs, you're finding commerce,
you're finding trade partnerships, you're finding deals with Boeing American
made planes to these countries. I just think all signs

(08:24):
point up.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, here Tommy Tupperville, I'll play this audio sound boyd
with Tommy Tupperville, the Senator from Alabama. But here's a
list of some of the things that other presidents have
been given over time. Greg the head of Saudi Arabia,
gave the President and his family one point three million
dollars in jewelry. We're talking about the Obama family. In

(08:46):
twenty eleven, the king gave First Lady Michelle Obama and
her daughters three hundred thousand dollars worth of jewelry. In
twenty fourteen, First Lady Michelle Obama received a jewelry set
from the former king that was value at five hundred
and sixty thousand dollars okay. And in twenty fifteen, King
Salam gave President Obama a gold plated silver horse sculpture

(09:09):
valued at a half million dollars. So the American the
American government is constantly being given gifts. And that's what
Tommy Tuberville pointed out when the debate over the plane.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
The plane was going on as usual.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
My Democratic colleagues are losing their mind over the situation.
But let's just talk about the facts first. Of all,
this is not a done deal. It's not happened yet.
It's all talk. But if reports are accurate, the government
of Katar is considering gifting the United States Department of

(09:45):
Defense an American made Boeing seven forty seven. I'll repeat that,
an American made Boeing seven forty seven plane for temporary
use as Air Force one. It is not for the
President's personal use, and he will not be using it
after he lee's office. It is customary and totally normal

(10:06):
for foreign countries to give our government gifts.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, it is very customary, very normal.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, and there's two things there. Well, do we need
to go to a break because I do want to
play the clip? Maybe we can get back. Well, we
have the interview. I maybe want have time. But the
negotiations for this plane, because we have we have only
one air Force one. The second one was taken out
of service because of its structural had structural problems. It's
a forty year old plane, the one he gets to use.
The negotiations and the offer from Qatar started a year

(10:36):
ago under the Biden administration, of which nobody has ever
mentioned brought it up. This is this discussion did not
start and become concluded upon with the Trump administration in
its first one hundred and twenty days or whatever it is.
This is a year long discussion that started with the
Biden administration.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
All Right, Moore, coming up the Rod and Greg Show
with you on this Thursday afternoon right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine NRS. I mean you're
a politician. You've been out on that.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I like to public servants, sir.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
As a public servance public did you hear this occasionally
from people saying just get something done?

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Just get something done? Well?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Donald Trump obviously is kind of different. I think he
is breaking the mold. Would you agree in getting things done? Absolutely?
Joining us on our any hour Newsmaker line to talk
more about this. He wrote about it in the last
couple of days as Chase Jennings, former spokesperson with the
Department of Homeland Security. Chase, how are you welcome back
to the Rodding Greg Show. Great to be with you, Chase.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Hey, guys, I'm doing so well. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
All right, he has set a new standards, you write,
h Chase, of getting things done? What is he doing differently?

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Guy? He does it?

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Sleep? And I mean that I've been around long enough
to know he is constantly, consistently, always trying to get
things done, typically in a week and a mon. Of
what a White House accomplishes. If you get a cease
fire between two companies, the two countries excuse me, like
India and Pakistan, but they're literally about to break out
into a war, and you and Secretary Rubio go in,

(12:14):
you negotiate a peace deal. That's usually all you need
for the week, right, that is a huge deal. Like, wow, guys,
we're really doing it. You know, we're doing We're doing
big things. That's about one and I'm not kidding at it.
That's about one of eight things that President Trump has
done just this week. You look at obviously he's over

(12:34):
in the Middle East right now, and it's you're hearing,
you know, trillion dollar numbers. You're seeing billion dollar figures,
and so it's just a constant barrage of things getting done.
Look at even just the last American hostage and Bijamas
was free this week, and so it's really just one
of those things where you look at and this is
kind of what the point of the article was, is,

(12:56):
like you mentioned you've got someone you elect these guys
to get stuff done. You know, most of the time
were frankly disappointed. Well with Trump, the guy is just relentless.
I mean, the amount of volume of the things that
he gets done in a week at this point, it's
just astounding.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's so much so that an Axios they're they're they're
interviewing anonymous Biden officials, people that worked in the Biden administration,
and they are admitting that they are in awe by
Trump's ability to get so much done, although they have
to say that they think that he's breaking the rules
of normal protocol by doing it, and they say, it's

(13:32):
hard not to be signed. This is a quote from
one of these Biden Biden officials. It's hard not to
be simultaneously terrified at the thought of the damage he
could cause with such power, and awed by his willingness
to brazenly shatter so many harmful taboos. So what they're
basically saying is they're jealous. They wish they could have
been a part of an administration and get it all done,

(13:54):
and they don't like what he does, which of course
I would expect from a Biden ministry. I want that's
a great tell for me that the Bidenish administration officials
don't like what you're doing. You're on the right track.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
So I guessifying for Democrats, but glorifying for Republicans as
far as actually having someone who's willing to get things done,
that's a great point. So I actually wrote a piece
a while back of talking about how Obama President Obama
must be watching and his team must be watching what
Trump is accomplishing, and they just must be jealous. The

(14:26):
war was about them being jealous because you got to
look at what he's doing and go, Man, if I
had Obama's got to be salivating if he had four
more years, He's got to be thinking about what he
could have actually done. Now, he did, you know, use
the executive as far as he can start, you know,
target a conservative groups. I mean, the DJ I don't
think was you know, didn't do a lot of the
right things. I mean, he definitely used the executive branch,

(14:47):
but not like President Trump is and what he's getting
done and what we're seeing right.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Now change how much of it has to do with
Trump coming from the business world. I mean, to be
successful in the business world, you can't just sit on
your haunches you got to get out there and get
things done, and he knows that to be successful as
he has been, is that what's kind of feeding this
effort on his part to get things done.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
I think that's a great point and really a good
way to look at it, because, like you said, if
you're a business person, you're always looking for opportunities. What
is my next investment, Where can I go next, Where's
another avenue that I can make money?

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Well, that is the attitude he is taken towards the
government one obviously with Doje and Elon coming in to
make cuts, right because obviously a business goes out of
business unless you're the government and have an endless supply
of taxpayer dollars. Typically you go out of business. But
when it comes to what Trump is doing, they're making
cuts but also finding ways to make these deals. Again
you look away to do in the Middle East, and

(15:44):
it just fits your narrative. So well, he's not a politician,
He's really not. I mean now he is today he is,
after you know, running for president for a third time
and winning. But now you look at what he's doing
as a businessman and a politician, Now he's got I
think you look at the collective information he has now
and he's just out there really just dominating for conservatives

(16:04):
or for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
So some of that progress, I mean, it almost gets
redundant to talk every single day about the next new deal.
Maybe we're just going to just get tired of winning.
But you know, UAE is said to and they're announcing
a two hundred billion dollar commercial deal right now. But
I just saw that over the next ten years they
expect to invest one point four trillion dollars in business

(16:30):
and economic participation with the United States. And then you
hear that Trump also announced that India they're going to
bring their India is going to bring their terriffs down
to almost zero for our experts into India, which has
been some of the highest. My question is, can the Democrats,
which their best, the best thing they have going is
just ripping on Trump. That's all they know how to do.
How do they how do they even begin to narrate

(16:53):
these wins or these agreements as failures of this president
and for the people. What does that sound like?

Speaker 5 (17:00):
At some point? Honestly, and I thought about this earlier
this week, I'm just wondering, at some point you got
to give the guy credit. I mean, you look at
this did not happen under Biden. You look at even frankly,
the movement at all on Ukraine and Russia. I mean,
with Biden. I've even seen even some people in the
press admit this that there was no movement. There just

(17:20):
wasn't any movement towards any type of deal.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
Y'all.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Remember early on they were trying to at least meet
but that completely stopped. Well, now Trump is obviously knocking
that door again to try to get that taken care of, right,
and so there's always these next steps for him. That's
the way he sees things, the way he does things,
and it's really just incredible. And so as far as
Republicans are concerned, As far as Republicans are concerned, we're

(17:44):
obviously hoping to get these tax cuts done. You know,
that's obviously a big deal, and so you know, we
don't want those who expire. So there are obviously there's
some things out there. But if you're on the left,
at some point you got to look at just sit
back in your chair and go, man, this guy. I
don't agree with anything he's doing, but the volume of
what he's getting done.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Is Yeah, it is amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Chase is always rat chatty Wathia. Thanks for joining us,
and uh enjoy the rest of the day on the
weekend as well. Thanks Chase, absolutely, thank thank you so much.
Chase Jennings joining us on our any our news making
Laurene talking about Donald Trump and getting things done?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Is that what we want?

Speaker 8 (18:17):
More?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Coming up on the Rotten Greg Show. You know my grandkids.
I showed him a radio the other day. They go,
what's that show?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I was gonna say, VCR, but those are totally gone.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Show them a DVD or DVR, Yeah, they're gone, or
any of those movies I have in d Oh I've
got I've got good DVDs and I and I What
am I supposed to do with that?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
I don't know. It was quite the collection. I was
very proud.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah a lot, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh well, uh. You know,
it is so hard to read the Spring Court sometimes,
and I think today was one of those days where
they had a hearing before the Court where you have
the administration going to the nation's highest court. The issue
is birthright citizenship, but it really wasn't about the constitutionality

(19:05):
of birthright citizenship. That was the overall the arching theme.
But the question is greg about how much power federal
district judges should have over the entire country.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
That's right, that's right. And and we went over this yesterday.
We we kind of framed today's hearing what we thought
we'd see happening. We had our good legal scholars, Senator Lee,
and we had Margo Cleveland Cleveland talk about it.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
It did not.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Actually, I got to tell you, folks, it didn't go
as well as I was I had predicted it would.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, well, let's check out what happened today. Joining us
on our any hour Newsmaker line right now is Kaitlin Deeds.
He is a reporter with the Supreme Court and also
the Department of Justice for the Washington Examiner. Canplin, thanks
for joining us. Give us your take on what happened today?
Did things go well? Bad for the administration? War what happened?

Speaker 9 (19:54):
Well?

Speaker 10 (19:55):
I think that the challenge before the justices today is
that they were really wrestling with two controversial issues in
one case. And I think that that made it very
hard for all parties, both the attorneys arguing before the
justices and the justices justicisms themselves to actually stay sort
of on focus because I think that there was a
little bit of a sort of like a back and

(20:17):
forth about you know, we're talking about nationwide injunctions, but
we're also talking about an executive order that would tell
people who were born in the US but they don't
have any parents that were actually citizens before them, that
they can no longer have their citizenship. So it's a
very tall request to sort of tackle these two issues

(20:37):
in one I can say with certainty that it did
not seem like there was any tea leaves to really
grab it after this hearing, because it didn't. It didn't
seem like that the justices were all aligning on a
firm footing. However, it seemed like there was some bipartisanship
along the lines of the idea that courts are imposing

(21:02):
over imposing themselves too early in litigation. That is an
issue that both Republicans and Democrats have had complaints about
no matter who's in office.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
So legal scholar and Jonathan Turley, he said that his
comment was a Supreme Court argument that there was far
more heat than light offered inside the court room really
said what you did in terms of there's no tea
that leaves to read, really, it's going to be a squeaker.
I'm a little bit surprised. It sounded like Justice Barrett

(21:35):
was looking for something, trying to be conciliatory and trying
to find a way for judges to maintain their injunction
power the way they have it now, put the birthright
issue aside, and just staring at the right of a
judge to create an injunction that the impacts an entire country.
Do you think do you think it did weigh a

(21:56):
little bit more to the side of they shouldn't be
able to have that broad of a jurisdiction and and
and and a halt something for the whole country.

Speaker 11 (22:05):
Well, I find it very interesting.

Speaker 10 (22:07):
Afterwards, I was standing outside in the press staggle where
all of the Democratic Attorneys general from Connecticut to Washington
to New Jersey were giving their press conference, and one
of the things that was interesting.

Speaker 11 (22:20):
Is whenever they were giving their.

Speaker 10 (22:23):
Their boilerflight messages, they were all staying on focus about
the birthright citizenship order. I found it very interesting that
they weren't actually talking much about nationwide injunctions from their
from their standpoints. So I, you know, was the first
person to ask them. I stood up, and I was saying, so,
what do you all make of this idea that maybe

(22:47):
there's some growing congruency among the idea that lower courts
are imposing themselves too early. And it was pretty rich
because I thought that whenever the Attorney general from New Jersey,
Matthew Plakkin, spoke about it, he did contend that, you know,
they should be rare. But that's a very convenient response

(23:07):
from an attorney general because everyone, I think, is an
agreement that nationwide injunctions should be rare, until one of
the parties involved gets a little you know, over their skis,
and they think that the nationwide injunction should go now,
you know, rather than later. And you know that that
presents the dilemma that we're that we're facing right here.

Speaker 11 (23:26):
Is okay, So if everyone says they should be.

Speaker 10 (23:28):
Rare, that's all good and grand, But whenever you actually
put that into practice and you start asking judges about
it and they start granting these you know, there's been
forty nationwide injunctions since Trump took office.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Keep that in mind.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
That is so many, and you know, whether you disagree
or agree with the president, you can't argue that that
is doing significant damage to the things that the voters
put him in place to do. And I think that
that is you know, people were toiling afterwards. Some of
the experts I was talking to were.

Speaker 11 (23:59):
Toiling, you know. Is there going to be sort of
an advisory opinion?

Speaker 10 (24:03):
Are the justices going to make a statement about nationwide
injunctions or are they going to go further than making
a statement, And are they going to tell lower courts
how to operate these cases in their early stages?

Speaker 11 (24:16):
That is sort of the big question that I think
we're looking at right now.

Speaker 10 (24:18):
Are they going to be advisory to lower courts or
are they going to be demanding that they have some
sort of new prerequisite that they consider before they decide
to enjoin a policy nationwide. I think that's what people
really need to be looking into whenever they see the
decision come down eventually. But the other caveat, and I
would really like to give this one caveat, is there

(24:40):
could be a scenario where maybe they don't even issue
a ruling in this case and they actually just tee
this up for arguments on the merits further on down.

Speaker 11 (24:50):
The line, perhaps this next ball.

Speaker 10 (24:52):
And I think that's something that people should be looking
out for as well, because I think that they don't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Have to rule.

Speaker 10 (24:59):
South Texas College of Law professor Josh Blackman made this
prediction the other day, and he maintained me in a
call earlier that this could still be a route, although
you know, be considered the fact that you know, he
could be wrong.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
You know, it's it's just one of those things that
we really don't know, Caitlyn.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I found out from what I've been able to hear
and see about the hearing today. My thoughts were that
the liberal part of the court wanted to talk about
birthright citizenship and the conservative part of the court wanted
to talk about judicial power, and that's where the confusion
took place. Am I reading that wrong?

Speaker 7 (25:31):
Galen?

Speaker 11 (25:33):
Oh, you're reading that absolutely right.

Speaker 10 (25:35):
I mean, I think that if you were to do
a sort of a layman's takeaway from this argument today,
you might write that there's going to be you know,
some sort of you know, major, you know, rebuke of
I'm sorry, of a birthright citizenship whenever it comes to
the court on the merits. That's in part because there

(25:56):
was so much negative, you know, perception of that executive
order coming from the liberal justices, and so you know,
you had people like you know, Kagan outright, you know,
basically saying, you know, I think this is illegal. You know,
you had Sodemayer saying that you know, this is you know,
in violation of for Supreme Court precedents.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
I mean talk.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
About you know, wearing you know, wearing your decision on
your future decision on your sleeve.

Speaker 10 (26:23):
You know, it's like we already know where they're going
to land whenever this makes it to the Supreme Court
on the merits. But you're right, you didn't see the
Republican appointed justices really talking about where they would land
on this issue once it comes before them.

Speaker 11 (26:37):
Albeit you kind of got some skeptical lines of questioning
from Kavanaugh about how the administration is going to make
all this work even if there was like a thirty
day delay before they decided to maybe lift the injunctions
in that sort of hypothetical scenario.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
All right, thank you very much, Carolyn. That name, Amy
Cony Barrett just continues to come up and up every
time Donald Trump is trying to get something done and
he appointed.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I know, it's just so frustrating, and they again, I
would just take from the body language of the State
of the Union address alone. Yeah, and I can't I
can't reconcile it with how aggressive the Democrats in Biden
and his administration was towards the Supreme Court, the threats
even to their personal welfare in terms of them being
you know, the leaking of those drafts of those decisions

(27:23):
and their homes being protested against. And then the guy
that went after Kavanaugh that they caught. You'd think that
you'd think that they would not have that Biden administration
would be the one that would receive their greatest cynicism,
not this president.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
All right mare coming up the Rod and Greg Show
with you on this Thursday in Utah's talk radio one
oh five nine.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Can arrest presidents set in terms of pace and getting
things done, talking about the the you know, the one
thing that slows them down or these judges, and we're
talking about the Supreme Court deliberations that happened today and
whether we see any good tea.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Leaves going on there or not.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I would look and Turley said he saw more heat
than light in that in that hearing today, which isn't
so he has no way to predict. He doesn't know
how things will go there either. So that's too bad.
I'd like to see that is the one thing that
they that the Democrats have become very good at doing
to start to slow down this president is through the judiciary.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, let me bring this up. It was one year
ago today, and was this the beginning of the end?

Speaker 12 (28:22):
Donald Trump lost two debates to me in twenty twenty
since Andy hadn't shown up for debates. Now he's acting
like he wants to debate me again. Will make my day, Pal,
I'll even do it twice. So let's pick the dates. Donald,
I hear you're free on Wednesdays.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
One year ago today, as when Joe Biden challenges Donald
Trump to a debate, challenged him to do two debates
after the first one. It was such a disaster. There
was only one debate.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know, it's fun to think back to that time.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Because we're gonna what we're gonna do is we're gonna
create such an obvious ambush.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
We're gonna make it on CNN.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
We're gonna we're gonna make it so it will make
it impossible for him to say yes, because he knows
that he's just going to absolutely get his bell rung
and he said yes, and they went gulph.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I remember they they didn't know that Joe Biden was
they was in such a cognitive decline.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And remember they took the crowd out because he would
oftentimes get the crowd would get excited with him. So
they made it without a crowd, which in the end
actually helped President Trump.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I think.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
They did everything in their power, in fact, picking all
the moderators people that they had already had a long
history of being having Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And he said yes, he said fine, and they all
went uh oh yep.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
And boy did it change things. So that happened a
year ago today.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
All right, our number two of the Rodding Gregg Show
coming your way right here on Utah's Talk, right one
oh five, dine Man. All right, well, apparently mister Comy
finds himself in a a little bit of trouble today, Greg.
He posted in the sand using seashells this eighty six

(30:08):
forty seven.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And I hate to admit my ignorance to this, but
in the shells is the number eighty six and then
the number forty seven. I knew when I saw James
Comy's tweet it was sent to me that that he said,
Oh look what I came across interesting, you know, And
I didn't under I knew what forty seven meant. It's

(30:30):
comy doing it, and forty seven would clearly mean Trump,
but I didn't know what eighty six meant. So I
had Queen Queen b sent me and I asked her,
and I asked you, and so she, Queen Bee is
pretty rude about it.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
She's like, how do you not know? Eighty six means
get rid of Yeah, eighty six means to take somebody.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I said to you before the show started, what's it?
Do you ever hear the same saying eighty six? And
you're like, yeah, it means get rid of it?

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, take them out, take them out, get rid of it.
Eighty get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
So I told Queen Bee, I said, rod knew what
it was. She's like, well, how sad for you you
don't know what it means. Well, here what I'm saying,
eighty six forty seven are the shells he lined up
in the sand and then took a picture of and said,
cool shell formation on my beachwalk. Okay, now that's creepy, Okay, creepy,

(31:19):
being about the best you can describe that. But it
then turns out that this guy has a book coming out.
Oh okay, and so he has a book called FDR
Drive And what it's about. It's you're gonna love this book.
It's about a US attorney. Carmon Garcia is trying to

(31:40):
take down Samuel buchanana far right media personality with a
popular podcast vilifying those he thinks are destroying America intellectuals, immigrants,
people of color. Garcia believes Buchanan went far beyond the
protection of the first moment when he singled out out
his enemies by name and suggested something should be done

(32:00):
about them. What's the irony that he writes eighty six
forty seven? Uh, and then and then and wants to
write a book and writes a book, a so called
book of fiction about a far right Uh. You know
podcaster that says something should be done vaguely describing, isn't
it vaguely describing? Something should happen to Donald Trump when

(32:20):
you write eighty six forty seven in the Shells in
the Beach, Mm hmm. So he's trying to gin up
some attention for his book. He would like to make
some money. The fact that this guy has ever been
was ever director of the FBI is I think it's
it's scary.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Well, what what I think is interesting in all of this?
Both Christinome and Cash Patel already out this afternoon saying,
we may want to have a conversation with the former
FBI director about what his intent was when using seashells
he put in the sand eighty six forty seven.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
They just want to have a conversation with them. Is
they really they really should?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, it's just and this guy, I mean when
Trump and we'll have a soundbody here with Donald Trump
talking about the Democrats in just a minute. They simply
cannot get him out of their minds.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
They can't and they don't have anything constructive to say.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
They have nothing.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
They have only attacked him, attacked Republicans for the longest
time on anything they ever did. But with Trumpets on steroids,
they only know how to articulate condemnation about Trump without
regard to whether what he did is good or not.
So the public's going, wait a minute, you can't really,
that's that's a you got to really strain to get
where you're getting. If you think that's bad about Trump,

(33:37):
And pretty soon the public starts to realize the man,
you know, he if he walked on water, they'd say,
he doesn't know how to swim. Yeah, I mean, there's
nothing that Trump can do that they're going to find
that they don't find some way to condemn him. I
love that that the whole jet, the guitar or cutter jet.
That's such a dramatic thing. The negotiations started with Biden.

(33:59):
It well, of course it did, of course it did.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Donald Trump is a man. Greg two assassination attempts on
his life. One almost got him. I mean he came whisker, yes,
of having his head blown off. They're in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Now you have an you know, and there have been
comments in the past, well known figures in this world
and in this country particularly, you know, calling for people

(34:25):
to blow up the White House to kill Donald Trump.
And now you have an FBI director. You're about to
tell me that he didn't know what he was doing.
That oh, I really didn't mean it really eighty six.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
And he's running a book.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
He's right, he's trying to you know, sell a book
that he's written where the conservative right wing conservative podcaster
went too far by vaguely implying violence. As he implies
violence with this eighty six forty seven, it's a it's
a stunt and it but it might be directed. I
think the guy's deranged. I mean, there are some levels
of decency when you've been the former FBI director over

(35:01):
multiple presidencies. I just don't know how he's able to
conduct himself this way and be and not be worried
that there's something wrong with them upstairs and they head well.
Last night on Air Force one, the President Trump was
asked about what he thought the state of the Democrat
Party was.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Let me to play that.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So here's his answer. I think it is so vintage Trump.
The answer, let's have a listen.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Transgender for everybody.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Let's have transgender for everybody, your kids, everybody.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's not an eighty twenty. They always say that's eighty twenty,
that's that, that's ninety nine to one. I would say, so, Look,
in one way, I don't.

Speaker 13 (35:41):
Like talking about it because I don't want to.

Speaker 12 (35:43):
Talk them out of it, because you know, it would be.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
Harder to beat them if they were normal and things.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
It shows that they're almost insane. And they do suffer
from Trump de rangement syndrome at a.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
High level, and I guess.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I'm honored by that. It would be harder to beat
them if they were kind of normal.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, they're really kind of basically insane, and they suffer
from Trump derangement syndrome, which I find it on. I
just think, I honestly think that they have jumped the shark,
as they say, and they don't have anything constructive this
year with the American people, and they can't get behind
a good idea if it's coming from Trump, no matter

(36:24):
how good that idea is. Case in point, he wants
to get countries to start paying their fair share develop
countries for the pharmaceuticals they use as they should. This
is something that the Democrats have been crying about for
so long and could never do and do right. He's
talking about getting it done, and they can't. They don't
have a word to say.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Well, this leads right into you know what we want
to talk to you about this hour. There is a
poll out that's done by the Associated Press and NRC,
and that's a pretty reliable poll, I think for the
most part. But the poll shows that Democrats are deeply
pessimistic at the future of the Democratic Party. Conducted earlier
this month, the poll found that only about one third

(37:06):
of Democrats, that's about a third thirty percent very optimistic
or even somewhat optimistic about their party's future. That means
six and ten Democrats do not have a positive outlook
about their party.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
And you know what, and I don't have that poll
in front of you, but I'll bet you the scarier
fact out of that poll not just that six out
of ten are not optimistic at all, but if you
were to ask the six that are not optimistic what
it would take to become optimistic, I think they have
completely different ideas. Oh yeah, I think thirty three percent
think they should be not terrorizing Jewish students on campus,

(37:44):
and the other thirty three percent are all in with
the hamas terrorists and just every issue like that. I
think that those that are not optimistic about the party
do not share a common vision of what would make
them optimistic about the party, which makes it even a
more augmented party than you know, six out of ten,
don't you know, don't aren't optimistic.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, here, in my opinion, this is the challenge facing
the Democratic Party they're both too old and too extreme. Yeah,
so you've got the Schumers, the Pelosis, the establishment over here.
Then you've got the aocs and the wester Dame Crockett
or what you know, Jasmine on this side. So they're
either and David Hogg, who we'll talk about a little

(38:27):
bit later on in the show.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So they're too old and they're too extreme. Now, if
you look, if you look about it, I mean, ask
yourself these questions, because this is what Mark Halpern asked
the other day on his show. What is Robert F.
Kenny Junior's appeal? Why does he appeal to Republicans and
not Democrats? Think about that?

Speaker 11 (38:46):
Your question?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Why did Democrats force him out of the party for
simply challenging Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Which, in hindsight, everyone's beating themselves up that they didn't.
The media is saying we should have known or we
should have been better at you. You had rfk Junior
saying there's something wrong here and I've got a case
to make, and they said, get out of here, just.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Hit the road.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Other questions, why do Democrats let controversy over trans athletes
and the border fester? Why do they let that go
without coming out and saying this is wrong. What were
Kamala Harrison's shortcomings as a candidate. We could spend hours
on that. Why were Democrats unable to keep a cognitively
challenged mister Biden for running again? Those are the problems

(39:27):
facing the Democratic Party and they don't have an answer, Greg.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I really don't, Well I do. It is that they
don't want crowd participation, They don't want democracy as they
like to use the word. They absolutely want to rule
from on high. That hog kit he got out way
over his skis, yep, went after too many of the
important people. So he's out there finding a procedural way
to reverse their vote to make him one of the
two vice chairs of the DNC. They're getting him out.

(39:53):
They didn't want to have a primary because they didn't
want to beat each other up. They didn't want Biden
beat up. They wanted to be able to anoint That's.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
What they do.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
They don't they don't look at people as fellow citizens.
These are people to socially engineer and tell what to
do to them. The elitists, they're smarter than everybody else,
and so why didn't they do any of those things
that were asked, b why did they kick RFK out
because he had an independent thought and that's not what
they're doing.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's our way or the highway toll the line.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Folks, well, Republicans and Democrats here in the state of
Utah will be meeting this weekend at their state conventions.
And the question we have is what is wrong with
the Democratic Party? I mean, the numbers show it nearly
two thirds six and ten Democrats not optimistic about the
future of their party.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
So what have they done?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven eight zero one zero, Or on your
cell phone, dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod
James Comey, the former director of the FBI, maybe finding
himself in a bit of trouble. They're apparently posting on
Instagram a picture he took on the beach, beach using
seashell said eighty six forty seven. Now a lot of

(41:04):
people are interpreting that to mean that James Coley would
like somebody to get rid of one Donald Trump, who
is the forty seven the president of the United States.
He's even now others are picking and copying this. Great
there's something else out there I mean this is social
media has grabbed this and they're running with.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
So people that share the same Trump derangement syndrome now
have the you know, pool cue balls from a pull
table eight six four seven lined up, taking a picture
of it, sending it out on x saying comy is
right eighty six forty seven is the way to go?
Are the any Democrats going to condemn this? Is doubt
getting rid of Trump? I mean there's no unless they're

(41:40):
talking impeachment. There's no election coming right now, so it's
not like you're saying you're trying to get rid of
them through an election. What does it mean to say
get rid of Donald Trump?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah? What's it mean? And is it?

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Does it apply violence? Is it something that's appropriate to
be said? And for the Democrats, do they condemn violence?
Do they condemn any notion of or implication of violence?

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Not if it's directed toward Donald Trump?

Speaker 8 (42:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I know, all right, we're asking you tonight. It's just
an example of the Democrats. So we're out of control.
Even members of their own party now say they're not
optimistic or not very optimistic about the future of the party.
So what has happened to the Democratic party eight eight
eight five seven O eight zero one zero, triple eight
five seven o eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pound two fifteen and say hey, Rod

(42:24):
to the phones. We go last Tark with Ken in
Mill Creek tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Ken,
how are you?

Speaker 13 (42:30):
How are you guys doing?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
We're doing well, Thank you great.

Speaker 13 (42:33):
I'm a big fan. Listen real quick, I'll run right
through them. They should grandfather in the illegal kids that
are here, that were born here, and then stop it.
At one point going forward, rogue judges are being told
to do what they're doing. They're not coming up with
this on their own. Someone like Obama or someone is
telling them what to do and how to do it.

(42:56):
And as far as the Supreme Court goes, I think
either they are being threatened or they have someone has
some poop on them that they don't want.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
No, that could be Ken. I've been wondering about that
with Roberts for a long time. He seemed to flip
on his head in terms of his jurisprudence out of nowhere.
It just seemed to be very disappointed.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well, a point that Ken made a minute ago, and
there was a I think she was from California, maybe Colorado,
remember that a couple of three weeks ago she basically
came in out, came out and said, yes, Democratic lawmakers
and well connected attorneys meet every day every morning they
meet and they go over what do we go to
legal strategy? Yeah, what's our legal strategy to stop Trump?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Today?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
So, yes, there is this is being led by the
Democratic Party and there basically is a planned attack on
Donald Trump and not led up. And they aren't going to.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
You know, and to his point about immigration, we we've
talked about these kids that you know, were under no
power of their own, were brought to America, don't have
don't even know the language of the of the country
of origin, are not documented that are here. And I
have had this discussion with many Democrats, and I've said
my analogy has been if you have a leaky roof,

(44:09):
and you had and you had a hardwood floor and
it rained and it damaged your floors, would you begin
to fix the floors before you went up unpatched the roof, Well,
you wouldn't. We can't give any of these kids, we
can't even consider that issue until we fix the leak,
because if you were to try and give these kids
some kind of citizen status. You'd see more kids coming
in or people coming in and doing this even more.

(44:30):
It'd be a magnet. So fix the border and then
I agree with Kenya. What you do is then you
have to deal with these children that grew up here
and again, under no choice of their own, find themselves
uniquely American because they never never lived in the you know,
their parents' country of origin. What do you do with
kids like that? There needs to be that needs to
be addressed, but you've got to have a secure border

(44:50):
before you address it. There's one thing you have to do,
fix the roof from leaking, before you fix the hardwood
floor that the leak has damaged and that you have
to repair.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
And the fear I think many ama Cans have Greg
is yes, Donald Trump basically has shut the border. I mean,
you know, I mean the number of people crossing illegally
is way way down. It not almost not, you know,
almost not existing anymore. The challenge, I think the concern
that I have and you have, and I think others
have as well, when Donald Trump has done what's going

(45:20):
to happen if we get a Democrat back into the
White house. Are they going to open up the gates
again and.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Come on in?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
So I'm totally in agreeance with you, and I've said
this before. Fix the border, Secure the border. I think
we need to update our upgrade our immigration laws. They
need to we need to revamp those. And finally, yes,
less a dream less address the dreamer issue, because I
think you're right. I feel sorry for these kids, but
let's get other If they're about fourth on the priority.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
And that's just it.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
There is a time, There could be a time and
should be a time when you deal with that. But
you've got so much work to do before you get
to that issue. I can't I can't stop thinking about
the collor we had a while ago. That's a landscaper
and he's trying his level best to through work visas
to bring people in seasonally for his job. The way
the law has described he's able to do. And there's
so much delay on without explanation, and it's not an

(46:14):
efficient system. And he still does it that way. But
what happens is if you don't have an efficient or
reliable system, it does draw the illegal behavior and that
becomes a magnet as well. So you got to get
that right. You gotta have a tall wall, but you
got to have a gate that exists, and you gotta
have a wide gate that actually works, and have the
rules so that everyone applies to everyone.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, all right, your calls and cummings coming up. Eight
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero, triple
eight five seven oh eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
all right, we're taking your phone calls. We're talking James
Komi will get into it if you aren't aware of
what he did today. And one of the stories that
is being talked about tonight, it's all over social media.
By the way, we'll talk to you about that. We're

(46:55):
talking about the Democratic Party taking your phone calls. Eighty
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero. New
poll out shows that only about a third of the
Democrats in the country today, those who took that poll
are very optimistic about their party's future. So what is
going on. Let's go to Syrahcuse and talk with Devin
tonight here on the Rod in Greg Show. Devin, how
why are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 8 (47:17):
Hey, thanks Rod and Greg, longtime listener, Really appreciate you
taking my call. So I'm sure you guys. I'm sure
you guys are aware. I'm a big Second Amendment guy.
And right now, the Ways the Means Committee in Washington,
DC is making some changes to something that is going
on to repeal the NFA, which I fully support, and

(47:39):
to repeal some things about firearms of being the NFA.
One of our own congressmen, Blake Moore, is on the
Ways the Means Committee, and I'm just a little disappointed
that he's not doing more to try to oppose the
changes that they're making, like to keep it in place,
even and I wanted you guys to take on. That's
Davis County.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Devin, I I I. You're not saying n essay, what's
what's the acronym? I'm not following, what's the what's the
provision that they're looking at repealing.

Speaker 8 (48:08):
Small Firearms ACTIMT?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I had, I had n essay and I thought national security? Yeah, Agency,
I was. I was confused, So you no, I didn't.
Isn't there a aren't they getting rid of the tax
or some kind of tax? It was like two hundred
bucks that this bill is supposed to take off if
you have.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
A certain weapon or something like that.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah, I don't know enoughing about the nf A in
recommendation that the House Ways and Means failed to take up.
But doing doing light tell us what it's about.

Speaker 8 (48:40):
Yeah, so I'm a I know a little bit about fire.
I'll be humble about that. But so what was going
on is the original verbiage in it eliminated the Form
one tax or the Form one tax or the number
one tax form whatever, and the two hundred dollars. Basically,

(49:02):
what it is is the NFA was originally designed to
dissuade people from wanting to purchase short barrow rifles short
barrow shotguns, which you know with pistoled ars and braces
and stocks and all the confusion between the ATF just
kind of changing their mind on how what guns are what,
and what's illegal and what's not. This would eliminate all

(49:24):
of that. It would make it simpler. But also it
would make it so that things like suppressors, which a
lot of people say are dangerous, but really it's a
safety feature. People say we should be more like Europe.
Europe requires you to have suppressors if you're going to
hunt in a lot of countries, So this would be
something that we would be more like that, and it
was going to eliminate that NFA the National Firearms Act entirely,

(49:49):
at least with sbr's suppressors the ability to register it
and then search it through Hooya and essentially have like
a de facto gun registry for any gun owner. And
then if somebody owns one of those when they pass away,
they would have to turn over or to the ATF

(50:09):
or destroy those items because they're controlled firearms. So then
is something I've followed really closely, and I've talked to
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
People about sounds.

Speaker 8 (50:19):
All they've done is, well, we're going to make it
so that you don't have to pay, but still track
everything and register it.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Devin, I thought at one time Mike Lee was in
favor of suppressors and one of the restrictions lifted on them.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Is that not true? I thought Mike did at one time.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
I believe that he is pro suppressor. I mean it's
pro safety. The Hearing Protection Act is another thing. Yes,
I've emailed him, I've emailed Blake Moore and I'm not really.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Getting much so And Devin, I have a question because
I know what you're talking about. Thank you for the
quick primer.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I get what you're talking about. Now, there was I
thought a con fromence.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
I heard.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
We had a guest on the show this week at
some point that was really heralding the two hundred dollars
tax being taking off taken off of it was a
transfer tax on these suppressors.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
It's going down to zero.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And they were and they were in they're codifying, I
don't know, a five down to a five dollars tax
on others. You're saying that those taking the two hundred dollars, uh,
just transfer tax away and fight and lowering it to
five dollars doesn't really answer the problem because the problem
really is it's a de facto gun registration. Is that
what you're saying, correct?

Speaker 8 (51:28):
I mean, like really, I mean in the lord, I
mean for maybe for people that are in very low income,
I would say that that's the deal. But I mean
that's that's don't buy Starbucks for two weeks the two hundred.
If somebody wants to turk for two hundred dollars to
be able to buy some prets run see your point.
But I mean, with everything that's going on here in
the country, you've got Colorado that just passed the Woods

(51:50):
gun control to possibly imagine engaging Oregon Hawaii. Here, Utah
had the opportunity to stand up with the representation, no,
we're pro two A. We're going to help support make
this happen so that it's easier and better for gun
owners and to be more like what the Simon fathers
and James Madison wanted the two A to be like.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
And just yeah, well, Devin, thank you for your calling
the information on that.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
We'll check that information.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, thanture, we can dig into that a little bit
and get some more information. So that does make a
lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
All right.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I want to share with you Greg I mentioned this
story about if you aren't aware of just headed home tonight.
James Comby, former FBI director, is really stirring up things.
He posted on Instagram something he did on the beach
using seashells and the message is eighty six forty seven.
Now that means if you know what eighty six? Have
you ever heard anyone say, well, that's just eighty six?

(52:49):
That means to take the person out right. He's getting
a lot of heat for this. Well, there is a
code in eighteen US code DASH eight seventy one. But
if anyone does this, they could be subject to five
years in prison. All right, And there was a man
back in the nineteen forties. He was a Nazi sympathizer

(53:10):
who wrote threatening letters to FDR that he wanted to
take him out, and he was convicted and sentenced to
five years. Would James Komy be subject to that same rule?
Aspattel said tonight he's going to have a conversation with
a former FBI director to find out what his intent was.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
You know, I just sell books.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, he has a book that's about something like that,
but all the conservatives are the bad guys in his book,
his fiction book of fiction that he's written. And look,
this is him to bring attention to this book.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
This is the way.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
This is just he's a deranged guy. I think that
would even put something like that out there and then
you know minutes are within the same hour, then promote
his own book. But you know where we have this
judge and milwo and what Wisconsin that that really did
ad in a bed an illegal criminal, illegal alien out
the side chambers and was indicted by a grand jury.

(54:05):
And people are saying that the federal judge that she
has to stand before is going to dismiss it immediately.
The same would happened for Comy. You can't get a
fair trial with some of these judges that are out here,
with the law and its plain language, and with what
the behavior of the Democrats are, They're just not They're
not going to hold them accountable.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It's already spreading. You had a picture of a guy who,
using pool Q balls had put in eighty six forty seven.
And think about the two guys who tried to take
out Donald Trump, both obviously mentally deranged, and who says,
somebody won't read that and say, okay, all eighty six
forty seven.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
And if you're wondering, it's not a coincidence that those
those pool balls that said eighty six percent. He said,
Comy is right, he'd get it from He was inspired
from to James Comy's post to make one of his
own to encourage the same thing.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Take out forty seventy present forty seven.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
All right, more coming up the Rod and Greg Show
here on Utah Talk Radio one O five nine.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Ky Nri, I just think that I don't think it's
an overreach or an overreaction to say that a guy
that used to be the FBI director for Republican presidents
Democrat presidents. He's he is insane. I don't know if
he always he was always insane. This seven foot loan
is out of his mind. And for him to put

(55:22):
that out there, even if it's to shill a book
that he's trying to now push, I just I just
find him to be just completely unhinged and dangerous. And
I want to know will Democrats condemn his his comments
and his symbol of taking out Trump.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
If you're just joining us.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
The former FBI director, apparently maybe in an effort to
sell books, posted on Instagram something that he'd done on
the beach in the sand and you've seen seashells, he said,
eighty six forty seven. Well, for you people who don't
who may not know eighty.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I was one.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I didn't know eighty six. Men, when you when you
eighty six? Somebody that means to take him out? Now,
Cash Battel wants to know what he meant. And I
saw this post by Brett Tolman, who we've had on
the show many times. Good guy. You see him on
Fox quite often. He said this about about what Komy
did today. He said this is beyond reprehensible to think

(56:15):
I was US attorney when Komy held power, and I
looked up to him. I had no idea how pathetic
he would become or how rapid the fall would be.
Cash Battel is ten times the man and the leader.
That's coming from Brett Tolman tonight.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Brett Tolman, former US Attorney for the State of Utah.
And so yeah, that that that that has some weight
to it when when Brett Tolman speaks that way, because
he he did work as a US attorney under a comy.
And that's where I think anybody that did is looking
at themselves now, thinking, man, that guy was like with
an arm's length of presidents and and he's just he's

(56:52):
just wacky. He's out of his mind. Local he really is.
And it's it's you know, and again I've already seen that.
It really has spawned a bunch of similar messages from
other Trump deranged syndrome sufferers. I mean, they're all starting
this eighty six forty seven now, and you got to
think you're not in campaign season. There's no articles of impeachment,

(57:13):
So what would you mean by taking out the president?
I mean you taking out can mean a lot of
different things, but the circumstances we're in right now, I
have a hard time understanding what taking him out would mean,
if not the worst kind.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
There have been two attempts on the life of Donald Trump.
We saw it last summer, two attempts during the campaign.
You have Democrats out there who, as we were talking
about earlier, you have too old or too extreme. And
this extreme wing of the Democratic Party is the wing
that supports judges like the judge in Wisconsin who actually

(57:49):
aided an illegal alien from Ice, hated in her courtroom,
said you can't go in here. She has now been
charged by the way indicted her. Yeah, and today pleaded
not guilty to the charges. But this is the extreme
that the Democratic Party is has got to now, and

(58:10):
the American people are going, huh huh.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I don't want anything to do with it. They're nuts.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
You and I have been absolutely consistent and firm on this.
We oppose all political violence. We're not just we don't
pick the side. We say political violence there's no place
for it. We can have we have all the debate, discord,
you can have it like in prop within the lines,
but we condemn political violence. Show me a Democrat that
will condemn political violence or the reference of violence or

(58:37):
even something when someone's been when there's been two assassination
attempts on President Trump, you think you would just walk
a little gingerly around this topic. And even if you
didn't mean it, you should have this sense to know
that this isn't a place any reasonable adult should go
when talking about the president. And uh and so, but well,
any Democrats condemn any any reference of political violence?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Will they? If it's on their side? Yeah, I think
the answer is no. I'm with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, all right, when we come back our number three,
Will David Hogg become Bacon? We'll talk about it next. Now,
if you eighty six somebody, if you don't know that
means to take him out? So did he do that?
Did you just take a picture of that? Why did
he post it on the website or on his X page?

(59:26):
A lot of people would like to know what he
was up to. As a matter of fact, there are
a lot of people James Comy is a liar. There's
no doubt about it. So I don't know how we
can trust him with what he's saying about this. But
obviously this is something that the FBI and Secret Service
want to talk to him about. And you know, don't
know where this may go, but you know, federal code says,

(59:48):
you do something like this, you're convicted. You could spend
five years in prison. Greg Qes. So, yes, it's comy.
He's in trouble to that.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
So he's taking his post down. I'm trying. It was
right on my feed and it just disappeared on me.
But he he has now said that he found those shells,
literally found. I'm does this man made though he put
eighty six forty seven there, he didn't just stumble across it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
He says that he innocently stumbled.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Across these these shells, didn't know what it meant, but
that he knew it was political in nature, and so
he thought he would just share it. He then came
to find out that some associate the word eighty six
with taking out and taking taking something out by way
of a violent way, and he thought that was wrong
because he condemns violence in any form, and so he

(01:00:35):
took the post down. Here's the biggest problem with that
entire lie, and it is a lie. It's what his
next post was. I've told you his next post is
promoting a book of fiction that he's written that is
all about political violence, and it's all about someone who
was a conservative podcaster and was talking negatively or said

(01:00:57):
something ought to be done about this person, and then
that person is murdered and there's a criminal trial that ensues.
That's a that is the plot of his book of fiction.
As he is right before he pushes that sharing the
seashells that say eighty six forty seven. Now, if it's me,
I didn't know it. I thought eighty six. What came

(01:01:18):
to my mind is heines heines Ward, the future Hall
of Fame Pittsburgh Steeler wide receiver. So I'm like, what's
heines Ward have to do with President Trump? I knew
the forty seven was Trump, so I didn't. I didn't
get it at first, but Komy absolutely did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You're telling me that the former director of the FBI
has never heard the phrase we need to eighty six somebody.
You're telling me that he has never heard that phrase.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah, it's his completing ignorance. Isn't gonna fly?

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Well, let's move on. Let's talk about the Democratic Party.
We were talking in the last hour about the Democratic Party.
New poll out there shows only about a third of
the Democratic Party is optimistic about their future. Concern about
leaders like AOC like Jasmine Crockett, Bernie Sanders, and yes
one David Hogg, who apparently is now finding himself in trouble. Well,

(01:02:11):
as my next guest wrote in his column, could David
Hogg soon become bacon? Let's talk with Glenn Beaton about that. Glenn,
how are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show?
Love that headline, Gwen? Could David Hogg become bacon? And
he could?

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Hi, guys, good to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
What do you make of what's going on with David
Hogg and how he's impacting the Democratic Party?

Speaker 9 (01:02:35):
Well, it's all quite comical. You know, this guy's sort
of a nobody. He's a twenty five year old kid.
He's not a hero. He was in the school that
day when there was a tragic shootings or parks. He
didn't try to say yeah, he didn't try to save anybody.
He didn't go confront the gun man. You know, he
didn't do anything. He hid in a closet with some
other kids. I don't especially blame him for that. You know,

(01:02:57):
it's hard to say what any given person will do
under any given circumstances.

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
But to heroize the guy.

Speaker 9 (01:03:03):
For having hidden in the clauset I think is a
little bit mistaken.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
But that's what the Democrats have done for a while.

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
They heroize him because he's become a gun control advocate
and that's an issue that's very dear to them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Well, it was all fun and games and he was
mister hero until he gets elected as one of the
vice chairs of the Democrat National Committee, which is a
pretty lofty position for such a young guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
And he starts to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Say that all these old, you know, old school Democrats
have to go. It's time for all of them to
get out of here. We're the new Democrats. It didn't
go over so well. In fact, I don't know that
his election to the DNC is even holding. I think
they're going to find a way like they did keeping
Biden without a primary. Aren't they finding a way to
show David Hogue hog the door?

Speaker 9 (01:03:54):
Yeah, they definitely are. That they've voted to basically have
a recount, but he's going to be ousted. He's not
going to win in the follow up election. It's all
kind of mysterious.

Speaker 7 (01:04:06):
How they did this.

Speaker 9 (01:04:07):
It all came out where all this happened after he
started making noises about pushing the old guys out the
door so that young guys like himself could have some room.

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
By the way, he's twenty five years.

Speaker 9 (01:04:20):
Old, which is how old you have to be to
be elected to the House of Representative House of Representatives.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
So the timing is very propitious on his part.

Speaker 9 (01:04:30):
But they had a little bit of a difficult time
finding a way to push him out the door. And
it's unclear exactly what they relied on. The media reports say, well,
there was a procedural error in the voting, so you
dig into that, and I've dug into it a lot
to try to find exactly what it is. Well, apparently
they have these complicated DEI rules about who gets elected

(01:04:54):
to what they have basically racial and gender quotas, and
so they say that he he was in violation of
the rational and gender quote as he was over the
limit for white men. He's a white man. They don't
want to exactly say that though, because you know, DEI
is not exactly the most popular thing right now, but
that's apparently what they relied on. So they're saying that

(01:05:17):
they have to do a redo on the election, and
obviously he's going to lose. But the reason, the real
reason behind all this is he had the temerity to
suggest that the eighty some year old Nancy Pelosi. Although
he didn't go after her, he knows not.

Speaker 7 (01:05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
Yeah, In fact, he explicitly said, well, she's okay, she's
not old, she's anyway, he had the temerities to suggest
that the old guys ought to be shown the door.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
So did he help himself at all? Last week when
he was on the Bill Maher show and he said,
to attract young young men back into the Democratic Party,
we need to have them help, help them have sex
and have fun. I mean, that was the best advice
I've ever heard of.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
I think.

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
I think the phrase he used was young men just
want to get laid.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
But sure, you know I did.

Speaker 9 (01:06:17):
I did some digging into the guy. He had some issues, okay,
according to him, According to him himself, he has dyslexia,
he has ADHD attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and he has
PTSD post traumatic stress disorder.

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
Now I don't make.

Speaker 9 (01:06:36):
Fun of the guy for that, you know, those are
real disabilities. But my point is there's a package here,
and this guy's This guy's a little bit of a
wild card.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah, he fits the absolute perfect mold of this young
emerging Democrat where he's part of the victim class. He
might not be able to make the identity class very
well because he's a white male, but he can be
he can fit firmly into the victim class, which he's
working to do. But what happens to the David Hog
because what he was saying is a lot of because
you have this chasm in the in the Democrat Party

(01:07:13):
right now between those that are pro Hamas to pro terrorists.
They're pro men playing in women's sports. I mean, they
are very very leftist and woke that you have others
that want to at least hide those messages or maybe
massage them so they don't offend the rest of America.
You have older guys like James Carvill that just think
this guy's just poison to the party. What does David

(01:07:35):
Hog go quietly into the night or does this just
become more of a division within the party.

Speaker 7 (01:07:43):
Oh, I don't think we've seen the end of it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:45):
And there's a real civil war going on in the
Democrat Party right now. You know, for the last ten years,
maybe twenty or thirty, they've been owned by the hard left,
and America is just finally figuring that out. There's just
a piece by Carl Rove I think a lot of
in the Wall Street Journal today explaining that for the
Democrats to get back on their feet, they're going to

(01:08:06):
have to leave aside some of these crazy eighty twenty
issues where they're on the twenty twenty side and such
as transgenderism and DEI and so. And obviously that's true,
but not going to because they're just owned box stock
and barrel by a real hard left cohort.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Yeah, they aren't going to let those issues go. And
I agree with your answer to what Greg asked. I
don't think David Hogg is going to wait anytime soon.
I'm yeah, he is arrogant enough. In my opinion, he's
not going anywhere, Glenn, and he is going to be
a thorn in the side of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 9 (01:08:46):
Well, I compare him in my piece today to AOC
because they do have some things in common.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
You know, they're both young, they're both.

Speaker 9 (01:08:54):
Kind of engineers, they are a liability to their party,
but they really appeal to this hard best face.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
They sure do. Glenn is always great chatting with you.
Thank you, Glenn.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
All right, that's Glenn Beaton. He's a columnist at the
Aspen Beak talking about David Hogg will someday turn into Bacon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I love that letya when they're in a hall and
they're digging, just let them keep digging. Let us let
them keep digging to Hog. Don't take this lightly. So
they're they're just kicking you out. You were duly elected
to the DNC as a vice chairman, and they're just
shutting you out. They want to erase the whole election
on a technicality. That's how they do elections, those Democrats.
But you fight back, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yeah, more big fans of you, David, Keep it up,
keep it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
We're all for David Bacon, I mean David Hogg.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
All right, more coming up on the Roden Great Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, can arrest.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
I never keep tracking the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
I think they're doing it because what's his name, Pritzker,
the governor of Illinois, is going to be their.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Key cause nothing says Utah Democrat like that crazy Illinois governor.
Governor p Yeah, I'm sure that that's going to identify
well with well, probably it will with the Democrats in Utah,
but I don't know that JB. Pritzker would would be
aligning a lot with a super majority of this of
the people of Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Demston until a Memorial on the weekend after Memorial Day. Yeah,
I'll be out of town day. I'm going to try
and be no. But big vote coming up Saturday at
the GOP convention. Who's going to be the chairman?

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
That's right, that's right. We have the incumbent Rob Axon.
He is the current chairman of the Utah Republican Party.
He's running for reelection to be chair and his opponent
is UH former Yeah King San Juan San Juan County commissioner,
former state representative UH, and former candidate for governor Phil Lyman.

(01:10:53):
Phil Lymon is running UH for that seat. And look,
these races, there's always a lot of differ diferent variables.
But Phil Lyman has a lot of grassroots support, and
it is the grassroots that are the delegates, and so
that's the party does a few things. They have donors,
they have elected officials that they work with that are Republican.
But the grassroots are the are the heart and soul

(01:11:15):
and the worker bees, and it's their election for chair.
So it makes for a very interesting convention to see
who's going to win that race.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
And you, delegates who may be headed to the convention
on Saturday, we invite you to listen tomorrow because we'll
have both Accent and Lineman on the show tomorrow night,
I think in the six clock hours when they're scheduled
to join us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
That's right, We're gonna ask them some questions. We've been
very even handed. It's all balls and strikes. We're gonna ask.
We're just gonna call it and let's see it. Let's
have them answer the questions. And you are listeners who
I would guess many are delegates.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Yeah, we can decide. Yeah, would you like to that show?

Speaker 11 (01:11:48):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
The big developing story tonight if you're just joining us,
just kept catching up on what's going on in your world.
Former FBI director James Comey in a bit of hot
water tonight after he posted on his X page something
he says he found on the beach. It was a
sign that said eighty six forty seven. Now, a lot
of people if you understand what the term eighty six means.
It's to take them out. So take out forty seven

(01:12:11):
with a reference to President Donald Trump. He's getting a
lot of hot water. He's posted or he took the
post down, and he's now reposted saying I didn't know
what it meant. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Let's get to
the details. Just a short time ago, Peter Doocy, white
house correspondent for the Fox News Channel, was on Laura
Ingram and kind of broke down what happened today.

Speaker 14 (01:12:32):
And Laura, the real head scratcher about this very serious
topic is that James Comy wants us to believe, and
we have this photo here that he saw a cool
These are his words, cool shell formation on my beach walk,
and the cool shell formation, according to the person who
used to be in charge of the FBI, shows shells

(01:12:52):
in the shape of eighty six forty seven. Eighty six
is common restaurant lingo, of course, for denying service to somebody.
But after about thirty seconds of googling, you can see
that a good chunk of people all around the world
also associate eighty six with meaning to kill somebody. An
old mob's an old mob saying basically, take somebody eight

(01:13:14):
miles outside of town and then you put him six
feet in the ground. James Comy, again, a guy who
has prosecuted mobsters, apparently.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
Had no idea that this was a thing.

Speaker 14 (01:13:24):
He deleted the original post with the cool shell formation,
and he writes, I posted a picture earlier of some
shells I saw today on a beach walk, which I
assumed where a political message. I didn't realize some folks
associate those numbers with violence. It never occurred to me,
but I opposed violence of any kind, and I took

(01:13:44):
the post down. That's not enough for Donald Trump Junior,
he says, just James Comy casually calling for my dad
to be murdered. This is who the dem media warships,
demented and cash Pattel. As we were coming to air,
the FBI director, one of Comey's successors, is saying that
he is in touch with the Secret Service and they

(01:14:06):
are going to be sending Secret Service agents to talk
to James Comy about what exactly he was getting at.
Patel says, we are aware of the recent tweet by
former FBI director James Comy directed at President Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
We're in communication with the Secret.

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
Service and director.

Speaker 14 (01:14:20):
Current primary jurisdiction is with the Secret Service on these matters,
and we the FBI, will provide all necessary support.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So there you go, there's a breakdown of what's going
on with James Comy today. Greg, I didn't realize it
meant take a guy eight miles outside of town and
put him six feet under.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
That's what well I actually went. I researched it a
bunch of different ways, and one reference that it was
came from restaurants back in the twenties and thirties, and
the rhymes with nicks, Like if you mixed something, it's
eighty six, it was, it was it would that rhymed
with that slogan rhymes with the word nick. So it
was eighty six. But eight miles out and six feet

(01:14:56):
under makes I don't know, it makes more a little
more sense to me. It's etymology that worked that number.
It seems to make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
But with all the work that James Comby has done
with criminals in the past, you're telling me he didn't
know what eighty six meant.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
No, I'm telling you that it's it's it's more indicting
when you see that his next post is about his
not his fiction, his fictional fictional novel about political right
wing political violence. I mean, it's he's just trying to
create stir and attention, and maybe it's not the attention
he was hoping for, but he wanted there to be

(01:15:33):
some stir stir about his new book, that it's coming
out here soon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
We'll see about political violence, Yeah, we'll see all right.
More coming up Steve Moore, noted economists economist extraordinaire, will
be joining the Rotting Greg Show coming up right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Like the post that we read from former US Attorney
Brett Tolman held him in high regard, even though he
didn't agree with him on on on issue use, but
I never thought he could stoop as low as to
put that on there. And look, some people want to
say that eighty six forty seven, eighty six doesn't necessarily
mean kill if it means take out what what version

(01:16:13):
of that would you like that to? What would it
mean otherwise? We're not if we were an election, if
there's going to be an election in a week or two,
take them out me You could argue at least that
you mean remove them from office and vote against him
if there is an impeachment. Maybe you're encouraging lawmakers to
impeach and convict in the Senate. What does take out
Trump mean?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Well, I think I've got an idea. Eighty six forty seven.
He wants to take Trump out to dinner?

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Yeah, no, I just that's not the takeout, A very
different takeout. That's not the takeout if you're eighty six
in it. If you're eighty six in it, you're not.
It's not that's not on the way to dinner. It's
a trying to take it out. It's removal. It's in
a removal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
So anyone that wants to say that everybody's overreacting or
that that's what the left is saying and the apologists
are saying, just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Tell me what you think. How would you take him out?

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
That means take them take it out? Take out Trump?
What do you what would it mean? Well, give me
a different version of that. But remember in the follow
up post he said he found.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
It on the beach.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
That is the biggest line though, world. That is what
really bugs me is there's no way when you see
the book he wrote about political violence from the right wing,
and it's about someone whose words ended up in violence
being happening to someone who's right wing guy Radio guy
spoke about this was meant to be this was this
is a threat, This is part of that. This is

(01:17:31):
that he meant this to be part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Sure he did.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
He's trying to sell books for yah way to get
attention because no one's paid any attention to him for
quite quite some time. Well, speaking of paying attention, boy,
Donald Trump is getting a lot of attention richly deserved
this week on his Peace and Prosperity tour of the
middle aged. You know, millions, billions, trillions of dollars being
directed toward the United States for investment. What happens with

(01:17:55):
the economy, it's only good news. Joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now to talk more about the economy
is a former top economic advisor to President Trump, now
the founder of the Great Email and you should get
this every day. It's called the Debini Committee to Unleashed Prosperity.
Is our good friend, Steve Moore. Steve, thanks for joining
us tonight. Article today in Axios hard data suggest tariff

(01:18:19):
driven inflation and recession fears may be overblown.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
What do you make of that, Steve.

Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
Well, you think I mean, we saw the reports this
week that showed both consumer prices and even more surprisingly,
producer prices have not increased.

Speaker 8 (01:18:35):
And by the way, I.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
Thought they would.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
I thought the tariffs would have a more substantial price effect,
but so far they haven't shown up. Now they those
terrifts may show up in the next couple months. I
don't want to be irrationally exuberant here, because you know,
the terroriffs really just started a few months ago and
it takes time for those prices to flow through the system.
But so far or price have been very tame. In fact,

(01:18:58):
we have one of the lowest consumer price index increases
in a long time. So I think the critics were
once again again wrong. How many times have we had
to say this on the show what for the last
nine years or something? You know, every time Trump does
something that the left says, oh, it's going to cause
recavoc in the economy. And by the way, I'm not
a big caraff guy myself. I'm not a big fan of.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You know, are you paid to say that? You know,
you have to you always have to say that caveat
you break my.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Bea.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
No, it's a great you know. Trump teases me about that,
you know, because he listens to your radio show and
he says, you know why, I say, you don't like
my dear earfs, And I said, mister President, I'm a
free trade guy. But I think he's done it in
a way that has been strategic. I think that he
is going to be able to win these concessions, I mean,
the two deals that he's apparently pulled off so far.

(01:19:50):
I say apparently because the devil is always in the
detail of these things with the UK and trying to
look very promising. So maybe it's time for me to
admit I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
I'm not going to say it right now, but maybe
in a few weeks I will.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Okay, okay, Well, I was thinking this would be our
big moment with with with you on this hey. But
in all seriousness, I do have Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
I'm almost never wrong, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
I you know I say I don't have never wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
You know he's never wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
I always tell the listeners I don't have the luxury
of opinion. I just know, okay, I just know that's
the burden that's a cross ie bear. But let me
let me ask you on on the.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
Contra what do you think about the terrorists? And I'm
going to put you on the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Oh I love it. Let me just tell you I
actually I believe in fair trade. I believe that it
needs I was under the assumption that that we were
there was a two way street, that we were lowering
barriers for each other. I didn't know that they get
to have all the teriffs, say want we keep ours low.
I didn't know the prescription drug prices, that that countries
could have all their price fixing and then we would

(01:20:56):
pay all the prices seventy five percent of all the
revenue for the whole world. I was maybe I just
didn't understand it as well. But I think these economic
principles ought to be a two way street for them
to truly worry.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
He's kind of the position, you know, and people ask
me all the time, I think there's a little bit
of risky. It's a little risky, Steve. I think I've
heard you say that before.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I don't think we've seen the full impact yet. You
had Walmart say they're going to raise their prices a
little bit today. How much how high they're going to go,
We'll have to wait and see. I think it's still
a little early to tell if this is all going
to work. I hope it does. It may be a
little early in my in my estimation.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
I'm with you on that. I think it is. I said,
I don't want to be premature and declaring victory, but
you know, look, it's been a good, really good month
for Trump. I mean remember in the middle of April,
I was standing on the ledge and you know, I
had to be talked down, you know, because stocks had
fallen out. But now I'm feeling you know, I'm feeling
much better about things. And you know, this trip that
Trump just took, I think he's still over there. I

(01:21:51):
think he's coming back maybe tomorrow, but to to the
Middle East and to these you know, uh, you know
they the United Arabics and that kind of thing. Uh,
it's been amazing. He's he's claiming that he's got two
three four trillion dollars worth of commitments of investment in
the United States and they even give us a plane

(01:22:12):
for goodness sake. So this is uh, this is gonna
really help. I mean I talked to my friends at
the White House last night. I said, you are you
sure we got enough workers probably these jobs back the
United States? So we will we will see.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
So one of the one of the there's a data
point that's being talked about, and that's the can the
retail sales actually was flat and March went up a
little bit, ticked up a little bit in April, and
that was at the peak of the fear of of
of the tariffs. Yeah, would you say that was maybe
right race to get what you can while it's cheap
type of uptick or do you think consumer confidence as

(01:22:47):
it's not just this whatever Trump's doing in terms of
the momentum is creating, it has to have some kind
of effect on the psyche of the American American taxpayer, consumer,
whatever you want to call them. That upteat uptick in
retail act of your sales, do you see that continue
to go up or do you think that might have
been a run on the stores trying to get cheaper
prices while they were still cheap.

Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
Well, as you know, because you've been a student of
this stuff for what thirty years, I mean you know
that taxes affect behavior, right, I mean, so if people
is out the left would say, if if you know
the price of something that is going to go up,
you know next week, that you by regularly and run
out to the store about now. And so so my
point is that I think in anticipation of some of

(01:23:29):
these terrists, no question, consumers went out to the stores
and bought stuff before the prices were going to rise. Now,
you know, how where we go from here, whether we'll
see maybe a dip in in you know, consumer spending
next month because they you know forward, you know, fast forward,
and they're spending I don't know, but I think there
was some of that, and there's a lesson here. I mean,

(01:23:50):
I laughed at my liberal friends, who you know, we've
argued with them all the time. They say, Oh, taxes
don't affect people's behavior. Yes they do. Yes, people are stupid.
You know, if you tax them more, they're going to
work less. If you tax them less, they're going to
work more. If you raise the price of something, you know,
if you tell people that are gonna have a sale
next week, they're not gonna buy stuff today. They're gonna
wait till the sale comes. So people are smart consumers

(01:24:10):
and they're trying to anticipate what's going to happen with
the prices, Steven.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Your wonderful newsletter you do every day Committee to Unleashed Prosperity, Steve,
I look at it every day. Got a great headline
I think a day or two ago where you almost
need a microscope to see the cuts that are going
to be made in this big, big, beautiful budget bill.
Why are Republicans someone willing to make some deep, deep
cuts in the budget? Do you think or have they?

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
I mean there's a couple of things. Yeah, there's a
couple of things here. First of all, I wrote that
because if you read the New York Times headline or
the Washington Post headline, or will listen to m you know,
CNN or MPR, you think all these savage cuts, those
those those heartless Republicans are going to throw you know,
people into the street and they're going to lose their
homes and they lose their healthcare. And there's no truth
to that. I mean, the budget over the next ten

(01:24:57):
years will be is scheduled to be eighty nine trillion dollars,
which is an ungodly large number and under the Republican
are you ready for this or you're sitting down under
that mean, vicious Republican budget. Instead of spending eighty nine trillion,
we're going to spend eighty seven trillion.

Speaker 14 (01:25:11):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
So I think when people hear that, they go, what's
all the hullabaloo about? In fact, we should be spent
cutting a lot more.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Don't you think it should look like pre COVID spending
at least?

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
To thank you? If we did that, we could cut,
you know, a couple of trillion dollars out of the
budget tomorrow. And you're exactly right about that. That's something
Ron Johnson the Center of Wisconsin is talking about. Ram Paul,
one of my favorite senators from Kentucky, has talked about that.
That's a great idea. Let's you know, the COVID's over.
We did spend a lot of money. They get through that.
But let's go back to where we were before.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I'm into that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Steve Moore joining us on our any our Newsmaker line
talking about the economy. Where this budget reconciliation bill and
this spending plan is going. I don't know it's headed somewhere.
We don't know as of yet. Yeah, it's putting some
lawmakers to sleep. That's right, that's right. I I but
that wasn't all man that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
I don't blame. That's four o'clock to five am. It's
crazy PM.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
What I find bizarre is that they do that when
they don't work half the month, Like, can you guys
past it a little better? Can you like work nine
to five, like five days a week for a whole month?
Why are you taking two half the month off and
then working from four pm to or what two pm to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Two pm to five am? Yeah, it's just a little
a little much. She's it kind of crazy, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
More coming up here on the Roden Greg Show and
Talk Radio one o five nine k NRS stories we
didn't get to today, Greg, want to share the information
with you. Florida has now joined Utah to become the
second state in the country to officially ban fluoride in
public water. I'm all for second run in the state.

(01:26:52):
Of course, Utah did it what about a month ago?
I think when the governor signed that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I'm just you know, again, this is one of these
wake up moments for me. I thought, Flora noir is fine,
you know, it'd be fine. Heard a lot from the
doctor's then found out how much in the dosage and
how much they put in it. It's not really regulate
all that close. And it turned out to be a
lot here and a little there, and none of it
seemed to be on the whole, you know, good for you.

(01:27:17):
So it's best to kind of get out of that business.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
In and Out had started phasing out artificial ingredients from
its meat, in line with what RFK Jr. Is doing
as she tries to ban him. In that statement, the
fast food company said it is now removing artificial colorings
from its signature pink lemonade and its strawberry shakes. And
I love those strawberry shakes. Those names are good, Yeah,

(01:27:43):
they are.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
I concur.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Oh guy, I'm glad you concur graduation coming up. High
school graduation? Who a lot of them? I mean, who's
a lot of it. And I didn't realize this, but
apparently the many schools or some school here in Salt
Lake hold their graduation ceremonies up at the U and
the Huntsman Center.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Yeah, when your sophie's, my daughter's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Well, they're warning, they're warning the students and parents don't
bring the confetti.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Why because they don't want to clean it up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
You got it? Yeah, yeah, they said, there's the number.
I saw the story in the Tribute today. Last year,
graduation cost about one hundred thousand dollars total. Almost a
third of that was fine for throwing confetti.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Party poopers. Just pick up the confetti. It's fine. I
didn't see much confetti when my kid, Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Remember your graduation day?

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
No, let me rephrase that, did you graduate from my school? First?
Why would you ever ask me that question live on
the radio show? I qualified to be in a COMMI
I was banned by the principal. Overreaction, clear overreaction from
the principal. So you got to ask me that because

(01:29:00):
I can't lie. You were banned? Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
I don't want anyone to think I didn't graduate. I
I did. I was just yeah, I was told to
not be on the premises. And and I'm telling you
that this, this principle was a druma. He's just very,
very dramatic. He just overreacted. So what did you do?
Try and set the school on fire? No, see that
that's what you'd think would be worthy of such It

(01:29:24):
wasn't that serious.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
No, I wasn't. He was just sure sure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
I remember mine. My dad was on the school board,
so he wanted to present me with my diploma. Oh
that's nice. I had to show up otherwise you wouldn't
have gone, may not have gone. Oh one other thing,
UH don't know about this. Have you ever seen a
guy wearing a two pay that looked natural?

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Nooks hits a rug on his head?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
But apparently bald men are now resurrecting the idea of
a two.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Pay, isn't there?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Can't you go to Turkey or something? Can't you go
to some country now and get them to implant the
hair in your head?

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Real looks? Yeah, it's all the rage. Does it work?

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Yes, I've seen people come back from I think it's Turkey.
I don't know where it is. Yeah, they come back
two pays look like dead rats. But I think this
like hair follicle surgery thing they do looks real?

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Yeah, Well, apparently, according to this story I saw today,
men with two pays are coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Bald men with two pays.

Speaker 9 (01:30:29):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Of a couple of TV anchors in this town who
used to wear really, you could tell too if you
knew who I'm talking about. I don't wear one. I'm
just losing mind.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Uh, that's up for us tonight. Head off, shoulders back man,
God bless you and your family. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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