The Rod and Greg Show: Dem Support of Mamdani; America Reject Defunding Police; Recent Heat Wave

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The news doesn't stop. President Trump doesn't slow down. The
weekend keeps going. The Senate met over the weekend. Imagine
that they barely work, but they they They debated that
big beautiful bill on the Senate.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I waited for a vote for it. This town, probably
late to night. Is Tom tillis a big chicken chicken.
He's a big baby baby. That tie or the Senate?
Where do you find that thing?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Go to?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
If you're gonna if you're gonna be like John Fetterman,
just wear a hoodie. Forget the bolo tie, Just get
a hoodie on. Just do the Fetterman thing. If you
can't wear a grown man's tie, a grown man's tie.
And then he's like, I'm not gonna run for reelection. Well,
no one was gonna have you. So it works out.
North Carolina was about done with you anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Because Donald Trump says, I'm coming to get your baby
run for the hills, and he certainly is. So we
have got a lot to talk about today. We'll talk
about this. This guy in New York, Mom, Donnie, you know,
apparently he doesn't like billionaires, said we shouldn't have any
billionaires in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, he's This is a rich kid that had every
every privilege as they liked, as the left likes to
call it in life, seventy sixty thousand a year, private school, whatever.
He's just performing. It's just like going to comic Con.
You go to comic Con. You see the kid, see
the guy's adults all dressed up like Batman, Superman or
like in Star Wars gear. This man is playing a role.

(01:26):
He doesn't mean a word. He says, he's got, he's been.
He's just it's just performative. It's him, it's cosplay. It's
just he's he may as well be at comic Con.
He's not real.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, we'll talk about that a little bit later on.
We'll talk about Americans starting to reject the defund the
police idea.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
You don't in says.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Like Philly and Minneapolis. All of a sudden they're realizing, hmm,
having police around really do work. It does it does work?
I mean having that does work. Henry Olsen's going to
join us. We didn't get into this last week, Greg,
but there was a a pure research study which showed
a number of things. This their final analysis of the

(02:04):
election last falls, and one of the things that really
stood out was that if every American voted, I think
there are one hundred and seventy four million eligible Americans
who could vote. If they had all voted, Donald Trump
would still have won by a bigger margin.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, and I'm glad our. In our morning meeting when
we spoke, you said you wanted to get dive into
these numbers. We spoke about it briefly, but I do
agree with you that it is worth exploring because there's
some real important data in there about the sentiment of
America and where people are at right now. And I
don't think guys like this character out of New York City,
this guy running from mayor by the way, a giant city,

(02:41):
nine million people, one hundred and twelve billion dollar budget
a year, that's bigger than the state of Utah, worth
three and a half million people in about a quarter
of that size of our budget. Anyway, I think that,
I think, I do think that Republicans, if they don't
ruin us mess it up, are going to be a
stronger party. And the Democrats are playing the game of
a subject actually still Anyway, the Pew, the Pew numbers,

(03:03):
you know, bear that out.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, what's the uh, what we're heading in. I mentioned
we're heading into July fourth this Friday. Yes, it's the
lead Greenwood song, I'm Proud to be an American? Yeah,
are you more proud to be an American this year
than you have been in previous years? They're starting new
information out on that today. We'll get into that and
get your thoughts on that as well. So we've got
a lot to get to. As always, we invite you

(03:25):
to be a part of the program. Rotting Greg with
you eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one
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All Right, we talk about this often. You work very
very closely with the Utah sheriffs, sies brave men and
women in law enforcement. And I've said this before and

(03:45):
I think you've echoed it as well.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know how their families deal with this every day,
that they could walk out the door on their way
to work not knowing if they're going to come home.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And that's a reality, that's that's not an overstatement, that's
a that's a true real in that in that job.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, then we have what happened in Quarterlaine, Idaho yesterday.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
But I've seen a picture you get that, you get
that golf course with the green that that the island
green that floats around the lake. And it's a beautiful.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Because wiet community very I mean just kind of swanky too.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I always have been told it's absolutely beautiful, right, and
you know is it like like yeah, he's been there.
Lake Tahoe is gorgeous and it's very similar to Lake Quarterlaine, Idaho.
And you have this guy. You know, you've got people
who want to serve their community, police officers, firemen and women, right,

(04:40):
and there's a guy who says, I want to take
some open mount So it starts a brush fire, and
what a fire?

Speaker 1 (04:48):
They do?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
They go to save lives and protect our community. They
go up there and he now opens fire on him.
Two are dead, another one fighting for his life. But
I understand his condition has him proved a lot, but
he's still not out of the woods as of yend.
But he asked yourself, you know what, how do families
deal with this when they hear stuff like this?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
So being first responder, being a law enforcement, firefighter, paramedics,
I'm the first responder is it's it's a very tough job.
You don't typically see this kind of violence on firefighters
or paramedics. You usually see it on law enforcement. Towards
law enforcement. I I thought, as this news was breaking yesterday,
maybe there's an insights story. Maybe there's some guy that's

(05:29):
just mad at this whole crew. Maybe it's a very
personal vendetta. They've got a name they're floating out there.
I hesitate to say.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I'm going to mention the name.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So there's a lot of narratives flying around there right now,
but none of it looks sane. None of it looks
like it's a it's a personal beef with them. But
there's there's something going on there that's I think indicative
of what's happening in society. On one side, I think
there are some people that are just more prone to
violence and they're just acting out more. It's getting it's

(05:58):
getting crazier.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, what was it like being a firefighter responding to
that situation yesterday? In Quarto Leinado? List of some of
this chilling audio.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
DC three is.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Down, BC one down.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Everybody's showing up here, Law enforcement three nail up here?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh by that you want ten port.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Here, stop, get out of the way, ten or fourteen
as the first time that you want, do not come
up here that you want Constage.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Street, the upper parking lot, that upper parking lot up
on the Grup parking lot.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
When you low enforcement up here, immediately law enforcement up here.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Immediately got the other five one any long person.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
Just where we go.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Another another quartering firefighter down.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
He showed, immediately we need law enforcement. Immediately, I got
another tire fighter continue long person at two times one.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of chilling when they say BC the battalion chief. So
I had two battalion chiefs down and a firefighter down.
And you can hear the desperation, you know, don't send
up any more firefighters, send up police officers with guns
because we're being shot at.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, you know they so they were again there are
so many of these firefighters who had been shot. They
were not sure whether it was a single gunman or many,
because it felt like such an ambush and there were
so many down. And and so then you saw Dan
Bongino with you know, his deputy director of the FBI,
saying that they were deploying tactical help to try and
I think it was they had black Hawk helicopters and

(07:33):
they had you know, the thermal uh you know, cameras
that were trying to find someone in there. And I
think they've ended up finding him deceased or they don't
know if he died from the firefight or from a
self inflicted wound. But my goodness, I mean, I just
think it's I just think it's just it's just getting
over the top.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well and Quarterlane, as we mentioned, beautiful, beautiful area. But
you're right, Greg, small not a not a big town,
big city. It's a small city in northern in northern
Idaho up there, what thirty minutes from I think Spokane,
just on the other side of the border with Washington,
maybe a little bit farther than that. But that community
has just got to be shaken by this.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
And that's I was thinking about this. And it's not
that it's worse or that it's not It's not as
good or bad if it's happening in Quarterlaine versus say Chicago.
But the difference for me is that we are hearing
about urban violence, we are hearing about homicides, We are
hearing about the shootings happening in our in our inner cities,
all the time, and you don't hear about it in
quiet Quarteralinth And that's a that's a that's a very

(08:36):
different scenario.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well, our thoughts go out to that community and those people,
and hopefully for that one fireman who right now his
condition has been upgraded, we'll be able to make it through.
All Right, We've got a lot to get to. We'll
talk about the nut job in New York City coming
up next on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk
Radio one O five to nine. Kay Nra, let's talk
about the Democratic nominee for mayor of New York, Zora

(08:58):
and Memdani. Boy, is he getting a lot of attention.
Listen to this outlandish thing he had to say on
Meet the Press yesterday.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
You are a self described democratic socialist.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?

Speaker 9 (09:12):
I don't think that we should have billionaires because, frankly,
it is so much money in a moment of such inequality,
and ultimately, what we need more of is equality across
our city and across our state and across our country.
And I look forward to work with everyone, including billionaires,
to make a city that is fairer for all of them.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Political commentator guys, Iraqi is not joining us on the
Newsmaker line. Guy, thanks for joining us afternoon. What do
you make of this guy? I mean, even the establishment
for some reason is behind this guy who basically has
a non existent resume.

Speaker 10 (09:45):
Well, I don't think they ignored it. I think that unfortunately,
a majority of primary voters in New York City voted
for him because they don't prioritize experience. They don't focus
on solving problems, so they focus on airing grievances. They
focus on talking about the problems in America, the problems

(10:08):
in American society. So you know, look, I think to
many of us that want to solve problems or one
to preserve what's right in America, we look for capable people.
We certainly want their views to align with ours, but
we look for capable people. I think what you see
in New York is that a majority of primary voters
Democratic primary voters were interested for somebody who was singing

(10:31):
from their songbook. Because no one's making the case that
a thirty three year old who's never really held a
job in the private sector other than apparently briefly working
as hip hop artist for his some production, his mom
works on. Nobody's suggesting that it's his experience or his
record that shows he can manage a city that's larger

(10:55):
than forty states. It's that he is a proud law
called adherent to progressive ideology in twenty twenty five. It's
not about competence, it's about how they feel.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
So, guy, here's my question, because I think that I
think that you're I didn't know. I mean, it is
surprising when you see that it's one hundred and twelve
billion dollar budget every year. That is, and as you say,
it's nine million people, is larger than forty states population.
Utah's populations three and a half million people. Are budgets

(11:27):
probably in the twenty low twenties, twenty six billion a
year something like that. With no experience at all. I
can only find corporations, you know, publicly traded corporations. It
would be that size. You said that you think that
they knew full well that he didn't have any experience.
But why running a state, a city of nine million
people and a revenue of one hundred and twelve billion

(11:49):
dollars requires zero business or combinent any kind of track
record of experience whatsoever? Why does that fall so low
in the priorities.

Speaker 10 (12:01):
I think it's because we value different things. I mean,
I have felt for some time that the split that's
growing in our nation is not about policies. It's not
whether the highest tax rate should be thirty nine percent
or thirty percent. It's not whether the right balance of
natural gas should be thirty percent of our economy or
twenty eight percent. They're fundamental differences. And listen to I mean,

(12:25):
listen to his speeches. I mean, again, as I would
say to your listeners, like I do to listeners in
Philadelphia or Pittsburgh or anywhere else when I'm on the radio.
Don't take my word for it. I mean, his speeches
are available, his interviews on the Today Show are there.
He doesn't talk about solving problems in the traditional sense.

(12:46):
He doesn't talk about fighting crime. He talks about the
flaws in capitalism. He talks about the injustices in the city.
When he does talk about things that people talk about
at their kitchen table, like the high cost of housing,
he talks about rent control, he talks about free you know,

(13:07):
free buses. So I just think, you know, Greg, I
think we're asking we're looking at different things. He's not
trying to solve problems. He's trying to explain to everybody
how bad America is, despite the fact that, as you know,
if you read his life story, his parents' success is
really the American dream. I mean, his father's quite successful,

(13:29):
his mother's quite successful. He was raised essentially in a
household of people who are worth in the million. He's
very angry about billionaires, but he's a millionaire. So the
sad reality, as I say, is he's not trying to
solve problems people in New York City talk about at
their kitchen tables. He's running to fix America and point

(13:50):
out its flaws, and it's it could be a disaster
for the home of Wall Street to be run by someone.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Who has no business. As I say, you know, he.

Speaker 10 (14:02):
Couldn't be the mayor of the fictional town of you know,
may very RFD to.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Date myself a little bit guy, someone said. I heard
someone say just the other day about this guy. He's young,
first of all, that's part of the appeal. But he
talks about socialism with a smile on his face, and
that may have something to do with it as well.
Would you agree, Oh, no doubt about it.

Speaker 10 (14:24):
I mean look, there were eleven candidates, and as we've
had races in Pennsylvania where we have had eight, nine, ten,
eleven candidates, what stands out about him. What stands out
about him is that he's not sugarcoating what he believes.
He says it with a smile. He's young. That frequently
draws voters eyes. You know, they look at seven, eight, nine, ten,

(14:46):
eleven candidates. What's different. He's young, and his message was clear,
capitalism has failed us. You know, the mass transit system
in New York is too expensive. It should be free.
There should be rent troll landlordship and decided, and the
government New York City should go into the grocery store business.
But there's no doubt. There's that sort of twinkle, if

(15:09):
you will.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
He's open.

Speaker 10 (15:10):
He's offering them. For those of us who've seen history,
he offers them the smile of socialism. Everything can be free.
We can make you know, everyone can live in a
wonderful condo in Manhattan for one hundred dollars a month,
and the subways will be free, and the milk will
be free, and the bread will be free. And he

(15:30):
just smiles, and to a majority of primary voters in
the Democratic primary in New York. They rallied to that
details to follow, And for those of us in the
real world, you can't run your house, you can't run
a small business, let alone that on details to follow. God,
it's frightening to me.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yes, and guy, I'll tell you. I call this guy
the Frankenstein Monster. I think he is the product of
every liberal socialist, communist idea that even the New York Times,
who argued against his election he well, I don't know
why they would. He he is. He embodies the New
York Times and every social agenda they've ever had. Am
I Am I wrong to say, yeah, let him get elected,

(16:11):
because it's one thing to have a smile and to
promise the moon and the stars. But when you're a
Frankenstein monster, the mad scientists who elect him could find themselves,
you know, in big trouble. I mean, I don't think
this plays well for the city of New York, and
I think it might be the most shiny example of
why socialism communism doesn't work. Am I wrong to want

(16:31):
to see him get elected? And watch the horror show?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (16:35):
This is That's the debate that's been happening on Philadelphia
talk radio all of last week, which is is the
only way to prove to people that all powerful progressive,
left wing socialist government doesn't work, is to do it
because clearly.

Speaker 10 (16:50):
Folks didn't learn it in high school or college. Clearly
folks don't understand what's happened. You know, what happens in
those places. You know, Cuba never became the social paradise
it was supposed to be. You know, I don't know.
I come down on the side of you know, life matters,
and and and and there are a lot of working
class families in Brooklyn and Queens. There are a lot

(17:12):
of small business owners. There are a lot of people
like like his parents, who came to America to start
a business and offer their kids hope. That came here legally.
They came here legally from Vietnam, or came here legally
from other places. I'd hate for them to have to
suffer through four years of absolute dysfunction. Look, he clearly can't.

(17:35):
We know, common sense and history tell us he can't
provide free education, free buses, free groceries, and free apartments.
We know it fails, we know it'll be a disaster.
He also doesn't he wants to defund the police. He
wants more counselors. There's no family, there's no small business,
wants that. So look, look, if he wins, as Senator

(17:58):
Fetterman from Pennsylvania said, it's Chris Us in July for
the Republicans. If he wins, he'll be an unmitigated disaster.
I just would hate to see nine million Americans suffer
through it.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Guys Shiraki a political commentator, always giving us the inside take.
Thank you for joining us on the show. We'll be
back folks after the break. You're listening to Utah's Talk
Radio one five to nine.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Canras Well, It's great to be with you on this
Monday afternoon. I'm roughd our catalong with citizen Greg Hughes.
Great to be with you. This whole defund the police
movement number what was it? It was the death of
Well I thinking of Fergusoner.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Wait, I know is.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
We can't remember his name now? Boy might getting old
George Floyd. George Floyd, Thank you very much. That led
to the defund the police movement. And there were cities
around the country who were attempting to defund the police
and they did. But guess what they're doing Now they're
hiring police officers back, Why on Earth? And boy has
crime numbers change? Joining us on our Newsmaker line to

(18:58):
talk all about that as our good friends. Argent Betsy
brentn Or Smith retired, a spokesperson for the National Police Association, Betsy,
should we be surprised by this information that the whole
defund the police idea is kind of fizzling out? Is
that fair to say?

Speaker 12 (19:15):
It's absolutely fair to say. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
We're not surprised, right, you guys learn from.

Speaker 12 (19:22):
But I still think they are probably people that are surprised.
For example, one of the New York City mayoral candidates,
you know, he's going to be surprised here about them.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
I'm Dobby, But no, you know, this was we.

Speaker 12 (19:38):
All said this in mid twenty twenty that this whole
vilification and demonization of the American police officer and cutting
their budgets and getting rid of them and driving them
out of the profession was going to be a terrible
disaster for America, and indeed it was. And now that's changing.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, in twenty twenty, I was running for office.
I'm a recovering public servant, and I and this whole
defund the police was a was a big, big topic.
And I would say, look, if you don't want the
police to ever come to your home, if you ever
if you just think that they're the bad guys and
you don't want them, let's get a public website, list
your name and your address, and let's find let's make

(20:18):
sure that the police never ever ever come to your
home again. Ever. I said, the problem is you're probably
still going to get visited. Okay. I never had anyone
tell me I was wrong. I can you see why.
I mean, I didn't see the whole defund the police
take off, and we said, let's just go ahead and
do it on our own. Let's just say we're not
going to we don't want the police around. And no
one ever took me up on it.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Well, of course not.

Speaker 12 (20:41):
And what did we hear? We heard, Oh, we need
you know, on.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Armed social workers.

Speaker 12 (20:45):
We need police to stay out of neighborhoods, and the
neighborhoods that law enforcement stayed out of largely because they
had been defunded and they were so short staffed. The
less police are in your neighborhood, the more crime you're
going to have. Even though Kamala Harris very famously said

(21:07):
less police means less crime. What we actually found out was,
you know, that's that's not true. And it's so sad
because I think there are some people who really believed,
you know, after the death of George Floyd, they believed
all the lies about police officers, even the lies about

(21:30):
George Floyd, and the lies about police use of force.
And very sadly, one of the things that happened is thousands,
thousands more young black men died of homicide after the
death of George Floyd then were projected to die prior

(21:52):
to the death of George Floyd. So actually, the Black
Lives Matter movement actually is responsible, if you will, for
the murder of way more young black men than the
police ever encounter. So it's just it's so misguided, it's
so sad, it's so unfortunate. But you know what law

(22:14):
enforcement is coming back. Crime is down.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Of course, we all see the specifics.

Speaker 12 (22:19):
And once again there's a fair number of police departments
that are starting to get their numbers up. It's going
to take some time.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, well quite a while.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, Betsy, I know there was talk of having social
workers unarmed. Social workers get involved in this and calming
situations down and maybe helping people overcome whatever crime thoughts
they have. Has that worked anywhere? Did any city try
and do this and didn't work at all?

Speaker 12 (22:47):
Well, you know, I started on the job in nineteen
eighty and we had police social workers at my agency,
but we didn't send them out on calls. We'd take
them with us sometimes, you know, because social workers are great.
Oh and they can be a big help to law enforcement.
The very few agencies that tried sending out quote unquote

(23:07):
mental health workers without police officers, there were some really
drastic things that happen. In fact, in the Seattle area,
we had a young social worker murdered, murdered by a
violent man who really should have been encountering the police
and and not a social worker. But you know, when
when push comes to shove, you know, people say, oh,

(23:28):
I don't want the police around, But then who calls
nine to one one? Those very people who scream about,
you know, we don't want the police around all that,
they're the first ones to call nine one one when
any little thing frightens them. True, And and you know
that's probably going to continue.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Betsy is always great chatting with you. We love your insight.
Thanks for a few minutes of your time today.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
Betsy, thanks so much for having me. Everybody, go to
National Police dot org see what we do. It's great stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
No, it's sergeant joining us on our news reker line.
You're on talk radio one oh five nine k and rs.
I'm talking about being proud of your country declining as
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dot com for all the information. You saw this I
think a week or you saw this when I was
out of town. I saw it over the weekend. The
f one movie, Yes, for one movie with Brad Pitt.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
It was very good? I mean took my daughter Sophie.
She liked kind of a little love interest there. I
didn't need. We didn't need that in my opinion. But no,
it's a it's it's a it's a really really good movie.
And if you I mean it's I think it's the action,
the music, it's all very It's as good as you
would expect it to be. And you know Brad Pitt,
he plays that old veteran coming back, you know, getting

(25:00):
back on the horse to ride it again. And it
was good. I'd give it four out of five stars.
Would you I give it four five?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, there were two things when it started. I can't
remember the first song. It was a led Zeppelin song.
Wasn't it that started it? I think it was. They
don't And I was going to shoot you a text
during the movie. Well the movie is not good at
least the music is.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
It is soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
The great great songs in there. But you have you've
been to one of these? You went to Vegas? Was
it two of them?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I've been to two different ones.

Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And my wife asked me during this because part of
the movie is filmed in Las Vegas for the Grand
Prior Vegas, She goes, do they really shut down the
strip and right race right down the middle?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I say they do.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
They sure do.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Many race at night and and so even their qualifiers
are going through the night and they're loud, but no,
they the strip's open during the day and then they
have to clean that. You know, they have it all
caged off and you know, you can't have screws or
any you can't have anything on that ground because those
tires are just so slick and you can damage them.
And anyway, it's it is an incredible thing to watch.

(26:03):
The way you have to watch f when if you
ever watched the Netflix series, you get to see kind
of the story arc over a season. It's really entertaining.
You get to know the drivers really well. But if
you're watching it live, you have just this one section
that you don't come by, but you got to kind
of have a TV monitor or something by so you
can kind of get a feel for what's going on
in the whole race. Yeah. Yeah, but I'll tell you what,

(26:24):
there's nothing more exhilarating than seeing those cars coming in
and out of the pit coming through. It's it's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It blew me away about that too, is first of all,
the amount of money, yes, that is being spent on
this on this sport. I mean these Ferrari, Honda, Mercedes,
all these companies spending billions of dollars and then greg
the technology. I mean, they fight for a tenth of
a second.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
It's true, just to just.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Be a little bit faster, a little bit because they're
basically all driving the same car.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, you got ten, you got ten teams, ten car ten.
You know you have Mercedes and Ferrari and Londa Claren.
But then each each team has two drivers, so you
have ten teams, twenty drivers. And then you know they
do the poll. They race to see who goes the
fastest so they can determine their positions. But it is
what I love about F one is that even the elevations, uphills, downhills,

(27:19):
they'll go through cities all over the world they have
there's just so many different challenging you know, hair turn
pins and just there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Going on, and they go all over the world.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
They do, and they wreck a lot too. So if
you watch that movie and you haven't watched F one
a lot, you're like, is it really this dramatic? I
mean they're crashing all the time. They actually do crash
all the time. It's and I don't know how they
afford it, but they do.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Someone mentioned those cars cost about ten million apiece.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, and you know I've seen more than that watching
that Netflix show. You see that these drivers get competitive
with each other, even on the same team. They get
a little chippy, Yeah, and they start messing with each
other on the road and maybe cause each.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Other to crash. So if you're looking for something to
do this your life for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
That's a fun movie. And if you go to the Imax,
like I saw it on an im that's that's what's
a trip. That's a big screen.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
All right.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
More coming up our number two, National Pride. Is it
declining in America? We head to the fourth Craig and
I will debate that and get your calls coming up
right here on the Rotten Great Show.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I don't think it went on as well this year.
I don't know it was as uh bride to ask
as past years. But today's last day of it.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So boy, if you know, if.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
You were into it, this is your last day, all right?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Do you have enough fingers and toes to count the
number of victories Donald Trump experienced in the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Last day, I was just gonna say, you mean in
the last two hours, but not in the last not
the last day. No, I don't. It's been. It's been.
It's been an unbelievable ten days week, ten days, two weeks.
It's just been. And I'm telling you, if you're keeping score, folks,
there's just a lot to account for. That is just
I don't even his I like you know, I like Trump.

(29:06):
I didn't see this many wins and this meant much progress,
just stacked up one after the other, multiple times a day.
It's been quite quite a ride.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, we have to give you an alert. Things have
been going so well for the president. This is kind
of like a flying pigs alert. Even CNN, as hard
as it is for them, Greg to admit that some
good things are happening, they are starting to recognize something. Now,
see what was it. I think it was Friday night.
They admitted on Friday that the president is on a

(29:36):
roll and having a Night's moment. And then over the
weekend we can host Michael smurkhansh spent more than six
minutes Greg in his show opening detailing Trump's accomplishments. Now
we are going to play all six minutes, but here's
the first minute, in about ten seconds of the praise
that he heaped on Trump.

Speaker 13 (29:55):
The mission was carried out with stealth and with precision.
There were no American casualties, and while Congress is divided
after receiving briefings on the extent of the damage, I'm
sure that we've derailed Iran's nuclear program at least temporarily,
and there's some valuable deterrent effect for America's adversaries who
witnessed last week's exercise. Then last Tuesday, President Trump left

(30:17):
the White House and route to Europe. At the time,
there was a question as to whether Israel and Iran
would honor a cease fire. That caused the President to
offer the most unfiltered, non controversial direct words that I
can recall anybody ever saying about the Middle East.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
They basically have two countries that have been fighting so
long and so hard that they don't know what the
they're doing.

Speaker 12 (30:41):
Do you understand?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
That?

Speaker 13 (30:44):
Cut to the Hague, where he arrived for NATO meetings
and was able to wrangle an agreement from our allies
to more than double their defense spending target from two
percent of gross domestic product to five percent by twenty
thirty five. Also, while at NATO, in a press availability,
he did something rare for Trump, and I found rewarding.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
He showed empathy.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's just part. And he went on for another five minutes, Greg,
just listing all of his accomplishments. And this was on CNN.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
He did. And I'm telling you, I looked at that.
It was six minutes. I didn't know what the potentially declined.
I think you got the best parts. But at the
very end, he says, and look, now the Democrats have
you know, in New York City have elected this socialist.
That doesn't bode well for the Democrats. And he says,
and he closes it with President Trump has his political

(31:30):
opponents on on the on the ropes. Yeah, I mean
he's just saying that. There you know that he's winning,
and he's winning resoundingly. And this is a guy that
makes his living on CNN ripping on Trump every day.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
So, and then you have, you know, people like Chris Murphy,
he's a senator from Connecticut, right, and he's still he's
still Greg, he can't give the president any credit whatsoever
for what's happening on the border.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, border crossings are at a record low. Do
you give the Trump administration some credit for that?

Speaker 12 (32:03):
And are you when.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You look at those figures.

Speaker 13 (32:06):
Do you think things are moving in the right direction
at least in that regard.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Senator No, I don't give them credit for that because
border crossings are low because they're violating the law every day.
So we have a law in this country that says,
if you are fleeing terror or torture from another country,
you can come here and apply for asylum. The Trump
administration has suspended that law. They are not allowing anybody
to come here.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
And that's what the American people want. You cannot come
to this country just walking in without any documentation, without
any legal justification. At this point, Greg, you can't. I mean,
but the Democrats refuse to rely on that. Now here's
what's Here's good old Chuck Todd. Chuck had weigh in
as well, and he was asked his opinion about the

(32:48):
Democratic Party today, and I think he's pretty spot off.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Is the Democratic Party a left of center party?

Speaker 14 (32:54):
I think you've just hit the I think this is
the identity crisis that they have. I think it's just
a collection of people that don't like Trump right now,
right and that's that served them well in twenty But
imagine trying to create a big tent that had AOC
and John Kasik in it, right, you know, or how
about Liz Cheney and AOC. You're sort of going to

(33:19):
rip a hole in the middle right as you're trying
to stretch that tent. And I think that that's that's
why they sort of have lost there. They're just it
feels like they're way too pole tested. It feels like
that they're trying so hard to sort of keep their
suburban voters and that's been part of their problem, part

(33:39):
of their problem.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Well, so you know, Rod that the party that Democrats
are still playing a game of subtraction. And it's really
the only common denominator being we hate Trump Trump bad
is that they don't talk about what are what policies
do we think are alienating those that we would like
to earn the vote in support of Americans. No, they

(34:00):
talk about what words can we use, how can we
swear in a way that makes us feel like we're real,
we're hit What what focus group or what what effort
can we do to rebrand ourselves. It's a it's a
pr campaign for them, it's an advertising campaign. It's not
really about the issues that they have that have repelled
the people that they want to change or reconsider. It's

(34:22):
how do we sell it to them? How do we
how do we convince them that what we're saying is true?
So there's no there's no self reflection. There's no changing
of course, as I've watched that party do in the
past when they've been unsuccessful at the ballot box. No,
they just want to as it was said, focus group it,
how do we frame it? How can we describe it
in a way that would be appealing.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
How do we talk to young men?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, how do we talk to young men? I don't
know anyway. It just it is so astro turf. It
is so fake, it is not real, and they don't
know how to break from it. They just will not
give up their leftist, really destructive policies, and they just
want to keep repackaging in a way that they think
will somehow sell. This guy running for mayor in New

(35:07):
York City one hundred and twelve billion dollars a year
budget and a nine million person population, bigger than forty states.
I'm going to tell you, if he gets elected, it
will be the greatest ongoing twenty four to seven advertisement
for common sense Republicans for four years of his term.
I mean, it'll just do what Biden did for Trump,

(35:29):
show that everything they believe, everything they try to do,
ends badly.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, and they could now victory after victory after victory.
That's been Donald Trump. I mean, his two weeks the
most consequential I think in his presidency, even the first
one and now the second one.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
But then you see this poll today, Greg, That's why
we're bringing this up because we want to talk to
you about it. There's a poll I think it was
put out by Gallup today. It says only thirty six
percent of Democrats say they are extremely or very proud
to be an American. That's according to a new poll,
reflecting a dramatic decline in national pride. That's also clear

(36:14):
among young people. Now I'm going to disagree with this, Greig. Now,
the Democrats may have no pride whatsoever. But going into
this July fourth weekend, I am more proud to be
an American. I always have been, but maybe a little
bit more so now because I think the country is
doing the things that we've wanted the country to do

(36:35):
and the president to do for a long long time,
and he's doing it, and he's getting it done, and
I'm going into this weekend going right on America.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Keep it up and you're not. I don't think you're alone.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Road.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Look and look at our border. Are the unrest that's
been going on domestically in this country is being dealt
with successfully. Economically, our world trade partners, We're seeing our
economy grow. We're seeing on shoring of jobs, We're seeing opportunity.
We're not seeing all the inflation and all the negative
negatives that we were told we'd see. Militarily, we have

(37:07):
re established ourselves as the loan superpower, and I think
it has an effect of deterring our enemies from being
more aggressive because of the way we've handled Iran and
the Israel issue, and the way that President Trump has
led If you can't look at this success in the
Middle East, if you can't see the conflict and what
we dealt with he dealt with in Iran, if you
can't see the border, if you can't see the economy

(37:29):
and the trade renegotiation around the world, if you can't
see NATO coming together and saying we're going to pony
up more to defend our own countries than they've ever
done before. If none of that is a success to you, then,
I don't know what you're looking for in a nation
or a president. I feel and I think the recruitment
numbers in our military are showing people want they want
to be in the military. They're enlisting, the numbers are growing.

(37:52):
I think there's a momentum and enthusiasm about our country again.
And I think it's because of the leadership of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, and I would totally agree. I mean, this was
this broke. I think Friday, Greg before or right after
we left on the air, is a ge who's pulling
out of China, going to expand it's factory in Kentucky,
creating eight hundred new jobs, millions of dollars going to
be spent there. Wait, come on, folks, I mean you're right.
What more to people who don't like America? What more

(38:21):
do they want?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah? What would you like to see?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
What would you like to see happen in America?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
And we can't even get through a news cycle. We
had Canada pretty much getting pretty hostile with the United
States on Friday. Well this morning they're like they threw
up the white flag. We're done, We're okay, we'll pull back.
We want to we want to work with you.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
It did.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
We didn't even get to a weekend. We couldn't when
that happened Friday. It's it's like it's not even top
of the fold that Canada has retreated from those positions
and it wants to work with the president. It's like
at the bottom of the new cycle by four o'clock
on a Monday. Yeah, I do think. I do think
that if you, if you look in your this this
this person, percentage of thirty four percent of Democrats are

(39:02):
not proud to be Americans and ninety two percent of
Republicans are. Okay, I think I think we are absolutely
on the right side of history and the facts of
what's happening.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So we want to ask you tonight, we want to
open up the phones or at this point, are you
more proud to be an American this July fourth than
in previous July fourth? And why are.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
You more proud about to be an American? Are you're
more proud of your country? And if so, why yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
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(39:49):
What they're calling the voter rama in the US Senate
on President Trump's Big Beautiful bill. You just pointed out,
Greg that Elizabeth McDonough and unelected official by the way,
and h has basically stopped the Senate bill from blocking
illegal immigrants from receiving Medicaid. So you have an unelected
Senate staffer, Greg, who is going against the will of

(40:11):
seventy five million Americans because apparently of some technicality.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Well, she's using selective logic, selective and outrage. It's of
course she was appointed by a Democrat to that position.
I worry that she might be used as a human
shield by some of our moderate Republicans that don't want
to make this take this vote. But for her to
argue that that adjusting medicaid benefits and the budget it

(40:37):
requires to do so isn't a budget item is out
of thin air. It's not consistent. They have if they
could find a budget case for the Green New Deal,
which they did, which had tons of policy in it,
which is saying that what Medicaid will or will not
fund is a budget consideration. And I just think it's
selective for her to say that that wasn't part of

(40:57):
the reconciliation bill, and we require the normal six votes,
says her. It's always great when you don't care who votes,
you only care who counts, and she's the one counting
the votes and saying you're going to need sixty for
this one. Can you lose?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
We're talking this hour about a decline in pride in America,
split right along party lines. We've talked before the break
gave you some numbers. New Gallup poll out today shows
that thirty six percent, only thirty six percent of Democrats
say they are extremely or very proud to be an American.
Now we dug into this a little bit more. This

(41:30):
is a quote from a senior editor at Gallop. They're
the ones who did the survey. Greg Each generation, he says,
is less patriotic than the prior generation, and Gen Z
is definitely much lower than anybody else. But even among
the older generations, we see that they're less patriotic than
the ones before them. They become less patriotic over time.

(41:52):
That's primarily driven by Democrats within all of those generations.
So the Democrats who are feeling less and less patriotic
and that's pulling the general numbers to well.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Doesn't that show in their newscasts? I mean, they just
cheer for the defeat of the United States. When you
saw the success in the in the strikes and Iran
on their nuclear facilities, you had you had a CNN
trying to as hard as they could, as quick as
they could, describe it and define it as a defeat,
as a failure. There's been plenty of information intel to

(42:22):
counter that. They still they still want to say it.
They do. They do erode the confidence the pride in
this country because they don't like this country. They don't
want peace through strength, they don't want they want a
They want to socially engineer everyone's lives. They are elitists,
they always have been. And the kind of make America
great again where it's individualism and it's self determination and

(42:45):
it's empowerment. They don't want you to feel that way.
They want you to feel it's been remember the victor.
It was a it was a victim class. You were
only you only mattered if you were a victim. You
only had standing to say something if you were if
you could somehow point to yourself by race or gender
or sexual persuasion as a victim. That's the only way
you mattered. No, we come from a completely different mindset

(43:08):
that we are strong, we are we matter when we
overcome adversity. We matter when we are self determining and
what we want to do and exercise our liberties.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
And then look, I mean, just in case in point, Greg,
look how the media has covered the attacks on Iran.
First of all, didn't do any damage. Second of all,
what was the second one? Oh, they got all the
uranium out before. Yeah, and now they say, you know
they're going to be that you haven't destroyed the program yet.
I mean, they just are looking for ways to counter

(43:36):
everything that Trump says and the America. Remember there was
seventy seven million people who's voted for this guy, folks,
A lot of people believe what he says.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
On June nineteenth, CNN was reporting to however, many listeners
viewers they have that there was no evidence that there
was any nuclear program that was close to enrichment or
close to you know, weaponizing a nuclear There was no
evidence of any of it. Six days later, they're saying
they're going to have that weapons program up in five,
you know, within thirty days. How do you go from

(44:09):
it doesn't exist? Six days later to say, oh, Intel
says that they're going to be up and running again
with all their weapons in thirty days. Thirty about a month.
The kind of mental yoga that takes is not reasonable
for people.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
They're good at it, all right, More coming up here
on the Roden greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k nrs.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Six months down, six months down, six more to go,
six more to go. I'm a math major. You like that?
Do you like how I did that? Yeah? It's been
a last day of Pride day. Now I want to
talk about American Pride because the fourth of July is coming,
but today is June third, last day of Pride month. Yes,
And I don't know. I think they got interrupted by

(44:51):
a lot of stuff going on. I don't know that
it was very pridy. No, it didn't feel very pridy
to me this year, like years, just think the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, I mean folks. You know, I, like I said before,
I'm heading into this July fourth looking forward to it
more than I have for several years now, because I
think the country is doing the right things. Finally, when the.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Rioters don't know what signs to put up. Is it
the Pride sign? Is it the Palestine sign? Is that
the Iranian sign? I mean, is it the you know,
they just they're kind of confused. Yeah, they're kind of
a you know, off kilter.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about your pride in America
as we head into the July fourth holiday. Eight eight
eight five seven oh eight zero one zero on your
cell phone, dal Pound two fifty and say hey Roder
on the talkback line. Greg, let's go to those phones.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Let's go to James and West Jordan. James, welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yes, thanks, Hey, love the show, guys, Thank you, Dad,
thank you, thank you. The issue that I see happen
as I think, frankly, the Democratic Party has really hijacked
the word pride, and it certainly doesn't help that we've
just ended thirty days of that misery.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
But as we get into pride for the country, there
are many Americans that I think have a very strong
allegiance to their country, but just do not want to
be misidentified in any way, shape or form with the
LGBTQ A B C DEST group.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
You know, James has got a point because he does.
Thank you, James for the call and the observation, because
when you started talking about this, I did think you
were talking about and you said I want to talk
about pride. I really thought you meant this is the
last day of the Pride month, and so I actually
thought this is where you went, like, what did this
month look like compared to other months. You were talking
about the pride we feel for our country. So I

(46:46):
think James is onto something there in terms of the
word being confusing.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
The now a lot of people would say that this
drop in pride in America being a proud America is
all Donald Trump's fault, which I totally just agree with,
by the way, and even the researchers at Gallup who
did this survey said, it's not just a Trump story.
Something else is going on. I think it's just younger

(47:12):
generations coming in and not being as patriotic as older people. Well,
why are younger generations coming in not being as patriotic.
Where As have we as parents or grandparents failed in
teaching our younger generation at pride in America? What have
we done or what haven't we done?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I would say it is born and ignorance. I think
if there, if you live in this country, if you're
one of those three hundred and fifty million on the
planet Earth lucky enough to live in this country, and
you don't understand the freedom and the liberty that you
have here that most human beings have never had or
never will. If you don't see that or take inventory
in that, then you just you don't know what you
don't know? Yeah, and whose fault is that you got to?

Speaker 12 (47:53):
You know?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I think parents play a very strong role, and I
think that, but you know, look, we used to have
schools that would teach this unique constitution and this republic
that we live in and all of the stories, and
we didn't. We don't have some of the lessons that
we learned in school being taught to our young ones today.
And look, there's I saw a post where the Wall
Street General is saying that, you know, China is trying

(48:17):
to hurt Tibet by indoctrinating the young kids. And it's like, hey,
guess what, that's exactly what's going on in our schools
in America about our founding fathers, about our foundational you know, principles,
and you know, just it's it's our kids are not
getting the same education, and that's that's going. I think
that's going. The consequence of that is less patriotism or

(48:39):
pride in your country, like we have.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Both you and I have been out of the country
numerns occasions. You've been to China, yes, I have, you know,
and I haven't been to China, but I've been to
the Middle East, you know. And when you come back
into the America, when you come back and you see
this country and you've seen that country, maybe just a
small taste of what it's like, nothing makes you prouder.
Then I'm home. This is America. This is, in my opinion,

(49:06):
the greatest country on earth. And I know there are
a lot of people who've spent you know, maybe on
their LDS missions, spent two years out of the country.
What they thought when they come back in and they
see that flag or they see Americans going about their
jobs each and every day, and they're you know, they're
seeing moms and dads working and kids playing. You know,
that's what America is all about. The pride that we

(49:28):
have in this country. I have a deep I'm very
proud of this country. Yes, and I when I see
people say, well, it's fading a little bit, I'd like
to know why, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
And I'm lucky. I'm kind of like Forrest Gump, just
stumbling through life.

Speaker 11 (49:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I spent about seven months in a country called Papua
New Guinea in a town called Rabau, which was in
the South Pacific. It was the Japanese headquarters during World
War two, and in my time there, there were still
wrecks of planes. There were still Japanese mini subs that
they had bored into the into the mountain that you
could actually crawl back with your flashlights and see. I
could see it American War. I could see its carnage.

(50:07):
I saw people that felt liberated by the by World
War two, a waif because Japan had controlled that area
and because I was an American, I was really really
well received. I'm learning all this and I'm seeing a
poppy I'm seeing it. I'm seeing what that war looked
like and what it did, the crashes, and what it
did to the people, and you know, it's pretty hard
when you see those things when you're young, you're twenty

(50:28):
twenty one years old to not walk away from that
feeling pretty good about your country and when people show
their appreciation towards you just because you are an American.
I didn't do anything, but the boy, they they really
did receive I mean warmly, and I felt like that
was a that really influenced me, that touched me.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Back to the phones, we go, Let's go to Harriman
and talk with Victor tonight here on the rod In
Greg Show. Victor, thank you so much for joining us.
How are you tonight, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
We're doing well, Thank you, well good my comment.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
A few years ago, I took my family and we
went back to Washington, d C. And the very first
thing that we did when we got there was we
went to Arlington National Cemetery, and in coming out of there,
I had never felt such a pride before of the
respect that we show to those that have fallen these

(51:25):
in our in our different wars that we have fought
through the years, and I just had never felt that
way before. And all the monuments and gosh, we went
to Mount Vernon and saw we're President Washington was disentombed
and he and his wife and I had just never

(51:46):
felt like that before. I was so proud to be
an American.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Thank you for sharing that picture, Thank you for sharing
that experience. And I do think we need to go
back to those places that are are our heritage. That's
what I loved about the musical Hamilton when it came out.
Is it because you saw an all black cast or
minority cast playing Alexander Hamilton Thomas Jefferson. What I loved
about that musical was it was just if you were

(52:11):
an American and it doesn't matter race, color, creed. These
are your founding fathers. This is your story, this is
our story. It doesn't matter what you're There is no
identity politics to the greatness of this country. We're a
melting pot. We're a nation of immigrants. And that's why
I loved about that. And I think when you go
back to those battlefields or those memorials or those places
and you learn more about what it took to just

(52:33):
keep this country here or even you know, found it,
it does it makes you feel pretty proud more.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
You should yeah on more of your calls and comments coming.
It is the Rodin Greg Show on Talk Radio one
O five nine k n R S to go along
with the discussion we've been having about pride in America?
Are you proud to be an American?

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Today?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Mark Lewis, who writes some wonderful articles for town Hall,
love to get him on the show, but I think
he lives in Thailand.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Really, Yeah, what's the what's the time?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I don't know. They're like a day ahead of us.
Don't you cross the International dayline and it jumps or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
It does.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
But he wrote an interesting article, Greg, and he said,
I wonder how long America has? How long America has?
He wrote, remember this quote from Benjamin Franklin. Only a
virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more
corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. Another quote,

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
A democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed
by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest
civilizations has been about two hundred years, and we're what
two forty nine? So he raised some interesting questions Greg

(53:49):
about how long America has and he goes down all
these grant empires, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Romans, the Greeks,
the Persian Empire, all these great empires. But eventually they
went away. So he says, how long can America last?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I know the answer, Well, what it's denying providence. It's
when the man upstairs says it does. That's when I think,
I really do.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I think I think people there are a lot of
people believe that I do as well.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
You look at you look at even Donald Trump surviving
that that assassination attempt, by the fraction of an image,
by his hitting his year and someone dying, I mean
that retired firefighter dying in that and in the shots
shot towards uh, you know, President Trump at close range.
There is a providence to this nation, and it's there's

(54:38):
a providence to what happens here. And every time I
think the Democrats have all the guns, and they have
all the advantage, and they've we're out gunned and outnumbered.
You see, you do all you can, but then you
watch and you see it. We're here, We're here. And
I think that momentum you talked about earlier in the
program of how we feel proud of our country. We're
seeing enrollment enlist enlistment.

Speaker 12 (54:59):
UH.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Enlisting in the military has risen. They've hit their targeted
recruitment numbers already. I do I think there's a there's
an enthusiasm. I think you know they I hate MAGA.
I don't like saying maga. It's not maga. It's make
America great again. Ronald Reagan said it. Donald Trump is
saying it. It is. It is not a it is.
That does not mean one person. It means that we

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want this country to be great as it's been before,
as it can be again. And I'm telling you that
is not that that sentiment of America being great. It
didn't used to be partisan, and I and I refuse
to believe that it is now. And if the Democrats
want to keep subtracting themselves and look like socialists and
hate this country, I think the rest of the population

(55:41):
is going to coalesce. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Well, as Mark Lewis point sound, he says, our founding
fathers gave America freedom, more freedom than any nation in
history up until that point, right, But it was a
freedom based on virtue, and most Americans today are not virtuous.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Well, if you just look at the you know, yeah,
the pride well that I think what's not getting any attention.
I mentioned this to you. We're coming up to a break.
But the Washington Post Politzer Prize winning journalist that's been
arrested for child pornography. That is an evil and a
newsroom that promotes evil. I'm telling you it's it's out

(56:18):
in the open now, all.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Right, mare coming up third hour, they're routing Greg show
coming up. Stay with us, big July fourth weekend coming
up this weekend. I hope you all are planning to
have a lot of fun and make sure you're safe
out there. I'm rod arkav, I'm citizen Greg Hughes. All
right at the final analysis of what happened in the
November president of election presidential election and is starting to

(56:42):
come out, Greg, and there's some very very interesting things
they've found. I mean, you know, one note I saw
Donald Trump would have beaten Kamala Harris even if everybody
voted in the country, which they normally don't. That's just
one of the many And joining us on our Newsmaker
line to talk more about that, as our good friend
Henry Olsen, senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

(57:04):
He's taken a look at the numbers, has some thoughts
on it as well. Henry, how are you in Welcome
to the Rodin Greg Show. Thanks for joining us, Thank
you for having me. A lot of interesting things in
this Henry, what really sticks out to you?

Speaker 15 (57:17):
There's two things that stick out. First of all, that
the biggest thing that happened in twenty twenty four was
Trump gained among non white voters regardless of background, African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Multiracials,
and even Native Americans, and particularly among men. And the
second thing that stands out is he didn't just get
them to vote for him, he got them to switch

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parties entirely.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Henry, what would you attribute that to. Is that a
rejection of Kamala Harrison in the Democrat ticket or is
that a support for Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
It's a little bit of both.

Speaker 15 (57:53):
I think we were seeing the shift away from Democrats
in data during twenty twenty two and two twenty three,
you know, when Trump was not an active candidate, So
clearly people were seeing something in the National Democratic Party
that they didn't like, but they found something in Donald
Trump that they could like. And I think it's the
combination of those two things that made the change happen.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
The appeal to Hispanics and blacks rather remarkable, isn't it, Henry.

Speaker 15 (58:23):
The thing to remember is that Hispanics and blacks aren't
uniformly liberal, and the have particular issue preferences that may
not jibe with libertarian white conservatives, but they're not along
with white woke liberals either. And Donald Trump speaks a
language and has priorities that resonate with a large number

(58:44):
of them in ways the previous Republican nominees never could match.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Henry, tell me about voter turnout. Did we see men
turn out in higher numbers than they typically do? Was
what was voter turnout looking like in twenty four versus say,
twenty twenty.

Speaker 15 (58:58):
You know, voter turnout was slightly in twenty four compared
with twenty twenty. It was particularly down among marginal Democratic voters.
That the sort of person who still considers themselves a
Democrat but not a rabbid Democrat, tended not to vote,
although in swing states they did vote, the turnout was
not down there, and that's one of the things that

(59:18):
contributed to Trump pointing the popular vote. But The fact is,
as you noted at the top of your introduction, because
Trump's Republicans now appeal to people without a college degree,
they're the people who tend not to vote more than
the people with a college degree, white and non white.

(59:39):
So if all of them had voted, Donald Trump would
still have one. He actually would have won by a
slightly larger.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
March Henry, what would have happened if Joe Biden had
remained in the race. Could he have pulled out a win.

Speaker 15 (59:52):
Well, you never want to say could or couldn't, but
almost certainly not. It would have been a miracle of
the highest proportions. Is that basically what we saw in
the polls was that about four or five percent of
the total electorate decided that they could accept Kamala Harris,
but that they had an unfavorable opinion of Joe Biden.

(01:00:14):
And if what we know is that incumbent presidents tend
to pull what their job approval rating is on the
day of election day, and Kamala Harris's was around forty seven,
Joe Biden's orders around forty two or forty three, it
would have been a debacle for the Democrats unless you
think and it was it like at forty one or

(01:00:34):
forty two. So even staying out of the limelight for
four months did not make the heart. Absence did not
make the American heart grow funder For Joe Biden, I
suspect that had he campaigned, it would have been lower
in Trump and the Republican victory would have been larger.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
It looks like voter registration party affiliation has changed. It
looks like the Republicans are gaining an advantage. They're getting
more people registering as Republicans than Democrats are. Is that
you better organization and grassroots a ground game, or are
people migrating to the Republican Party and away from the
Democrat Party.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Do you think it's the latter.

Speaker 15 (01:01:11):
Ground game is one of the great exaggerated things of politics.
A lot of times the ground game is the convenient
way for somebody to do what they would have done anyway.
And what we're finding and have been finding for about
four years, is that when people move and register to vote,
they're much likely to register Republican and particularly less likely

(01:01:33):
to register a Democrat. Independents have been surging virtually everywhere,
but among the partisans, Republicans are up and Democrats are
way down, and that's been going on for about four years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
We're talking right now with Henry Olsen, Senior Fellow at
the Ethics and Public Policy Center about the twenty four election.
Final numbers or analysis is starting to come in. All right, Henry,
what are the Democrats going to have to do to
win these people back? You know, the people who have
voted for Trump? And what are the Republicans going to
have to do to keep them? Knowing that at this
point Donald Trump won't be on the ticket in twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Eight Well, a couple of things.

Speaker 15 (01:02:07):
First of all, Democrats have to deal with their base. Basically,
what Donald Trump did in twenty sixteen is deal with
the Republican party base in a way that made the
party acceptable to people who did not like what the
Republican Party.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Base was talking about.

Speaker 15 (01:02:22):
So for all the problems that the Big Beautiful Bill
may have expanding the deficit, deficit reduction and a focus
on numbers, there's always a turn off to these voters.
Trump understands that they are interested in other things, and
he doesn't trip up on that. Democrats have yet to
be able to say in a way it can have

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somebody convincingly say, actually, I'm not just a different type
of Democrat. I'm a different type period. I'm bringing you
something new, not just a different flavor of the old.
And until they do that, they're going to continue to
have the same old problem.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
So I've seen conflicting data, Henry, and I think you
know the answer. But I've seen some exit polls and
some data out there that would suggest that eighteen to
twenty four year olds, eighteen to twenty nine year olds
were supporting Donald Trump. We're voting Republican in larger blocks
or larger percentages than younger generations have prior. But then

(01:03:18):
I'm told that generation was Z is less patriotic, maybe
more of the mayor from or the candidate for mayor
in New York City's brand of candidate. Where do you
see young voters going right now?

Speaker 15 (01:03:34):
Well, I think, like with anything else, you have to
divide things into groups. Young voters who are attracted to Democrats,
which is the people who vote in the New York
City mayor all primary, are.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Much more left wing.

Speaker 15 (01:03:47):
But they're not everybody the sort of young voter who
is the marginally attached young voter. All the data suggests
that they are more Republican. They grew up. The people
were eighteen to twenty four, had COVID and the lockdowns
as a formative experience. They saw inflation and weakness on
Biden's watch, and they are among the most Republican generations

(01:04:10):
since the Reagan kids, you know, the mini generation of
eighteen to twenty two, eighteen to twenty four year olds.
And some of the other thing to remember is that
Hispanics are very young, and so when you see a
big switch among Hispanics, you're going to see a big
switch among young people because there's a big overlap there.
And you know, if you're you graduate from high school

(01:04:33):
and you want to get ahead in life and you
have never enrolled in college and wokeness leaves you cold.
Donald Trump and the Republican Jobs First, inflation down party
seems pretty good to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
You, Henry. I hate to admit this, but my co
host made an interesting point and he's done so over.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Over the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Time, Henri, but he talked about the engaged voter, that
a lot of people came out to vote for Donald
Trump who normally do not get him involved in politics,
who normally don't vote, but there was something that Donald
Trump was saying or doing that. They became involved, maybe
for the first time or for the first time in
a very very long time. What is going to happen

(01:05:15):
to keep them engaged?

Speaker 15 (01:05:18):
Well, yeah, I think what Trump A lot of people
focused on that. Trump was willing to embrace new modes
of communication.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
The podcast, social media.

Speaker 15 (01:05:28):
Yea social media and the podcast, and you have to
do that, But that's a method. The message has to
be right too, you know. And the message that he
was delivering was a non ideological message. It was a
patriotic and hopeful message. And it was a let's fix
the problems message. And if Donald Trump fixes the problems

(01:05:50):
or makes them better over his four years, those people
will probably continue to stay engaged. And you can keep
telling the young people behind you, behind that generation that
the next person can keep doing the job.

Speaker 10 (01:06:04):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:06:04):
That's the thing is that when big change happens, the
party that's on the outs, that is losing their historic edge,
tends to think, well, it's just the person. The Republicans
said thought that when FDR had died that they were
going to go back to being the majority, and the
Democrats thought when Reagan wasn't running that George Herbert Walker.
Bush was an easy target because he wasn't the kipper,

(01:06:26):
and that wasn't true.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
It wasn't just the messenger.

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
The messenger delivered a message that people liked, and Truman
one in a shocker, and Bush won when he was
seventeen points down in the middle of the summer, and
that made people realize, Oh my gosh, people have changed
their minds. It wasn't just the messenger. And I think
we're going to find that out. If Trump's four years
is moderately successful, I think we're going to find out

(01:06:50):
the same thing that without Trump on the ballot, You
know what, somebody who may not be as charismatic as
Trump but delivers a Trumpian message in a similar way
of fashion is going to surprise a lot of the
old guard thinkers because it wasn't the person. It was
always the ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Three years away. We'll have to see what happened. Henry
has always love your insight into this. Thanks for your time,
and enjoy the fourth of July and have a safe holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
And you too, thanks a lot for having me, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
As Henry Olsen, Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public
Policy Center, talking about the numbers breakdown festinating.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Yeah, if you get down into those, I just keep seeing.
You know, everything's in addition to all the different if you
break down voters into age or into ethnicity, all of this,
it's all moving and trending towards President Trump in that campaign.
But also to common sense. I would say Republicans just
common sense conservative. It's I think the common sense narrative

(01:07:49):
is the one that's carrying the day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
You know, we were talking earlier about the deep bench
that the Republican Party has. Now I mean you can
think of three names right off the top of your head. JD. Vans,
Marco Rubio, Rondez, Sentens yep. Then you look at the
Democratic sign you say, no, is it Zorn Momdy mom Danny? Unlikely?
But you know my question would be into what was

(01:08:12):
it two thousand and eight Barack Obama came out of nowhere?

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That's true?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Can that happen again in twenty twenty eight with all
that has changed, the media landscape changing, can that happen?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I think it could? I do. I think you could
have a flash in the pan that gets some momentum.
And a lot of these campaigns are all about Missontown
and when you peak when you hit you know, when
you hit your stride, and you could find someone coming
out from that we don't even know about yet. They
could get that kind of momentum. I don't think anybody
in the field right now Pete Buddha Jeedge is starting
to watch MMA. He's trying to go to the UFC

(01:08:45):
fights like that's again, at this guy has never been
interested in any of this ever, and now he's gonna
Now he's gonna be involved. Are you going to be
excited about UFC? See, they just keep trying. It's performative again,
they're just trying to do something. But there could be
our course out there that is actually an authentic human
who likes common sense. That's a Democrat that could coalesce

(01:09:08):
voters or supported around him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
You mean Bujet Judge hasn't put on a flannel shirt
and gun hunting yet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
No, he got time give time. There was a suburban
pulled up right outside. Yeah, and they pull his bike
out so he can ride a bike the last one
hundred yards to his office. That is just like the
quintessential guy that he is. He's just kind of a phony.
I will tell you this. I think that what we've
talked about. I think so many people that voted for
Trump don't trust politics and don't trust politicians, but they

(01:09:35):
trusted him. And whoever is going to continue to be
the leader of the Republican Party, the Party of Carmen
common Sense needs to reach out to people who just haven't.
I think it deserved distrust towards government and politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
One thing you'd say about Trump that they looked at authentic.
That's exactly all right. More coming up on the Rodding
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Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Another chapter in this bizarre story involving the BYU quarterback
Jake Rhetz laugh this story. Today the lawsuit sexual assault
lawsuit against him dropped. Apparently the whole thing's over, according
to the stories we're seen today. Attorneys for Redsloff and
Jane Doe, the woman who accused him in May of

(01:10:28):
sexual assault, filed a joint motion for dismissal today. The
order was signed by a third district judge shortly after
ten am, So I guess it's over not for him,
because he's done it, basically done it byu seven game
suspension because Honor Codeny, he's basically told the university and
the team he's gonna go elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
And I understand why he would do that. So, you know,
this is a hard one for guys to comment on,
because you know, you know, you're supposed to believe women.
You don't want to be ever, you don't ever want
to be thought of as taking any of this life
or just being dismissive. But I will say what my daughter,
my oldest child, what her frustration as this story broke
where it was that where women do you know, experience

(01:11:11):
potential danger in dating circumstances or other things. The delay
in any kind of action and legal action, the absence
of any criminal charge or going to the police, and
all being civil to my daughter just seemed like it
just seemed odd. It invited cynicism or at least questions

(01:11:33):
that she thought makes it hard for girls generally, and
she just didn't appreciate how all this played out. And
at the end of the day, because they drop everything
what is your takeaway?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Where do you go?

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Where are you supposed to happened?

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Well, he was accused by a woman identified as Jane
Doe of assaulting her in his Provo home back in
November of twenty three. Okay. The woman connected with police
days after the alleged assault, this according to the lawsuit,
but did not name rets laugh initially. Okay, so the
documents apparently today the two sides agree to the dismissal

(01:12:07):
upon the merits. Not sure what that means because I'm
not a lawyer. Yeah, of the women's lawsuits, each side
will pay their own legal fees. The document includes no
other details. It's just bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
It is it's hard. It is hard to find a
takeaway from here, other than the fact that if you
were excited about sports, if you just take that, this
quarterback is now gone. And whatever the issue that would
have merited him being suspended or leaving the team, there's
no resolution, there's no understanding of what that issue actually was.

(01:12:41):
And so it's just it's it's just unfortunate all the
way around. And I just I take what my daughter
told me, and that is you know, and there's crimes
they need to be treated like crimes, and when something happens,
something should be adjudicated. And if it's if it's murky
like this is, it's just it puts things that people
just get cynical, and it doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Doesn't help, It certainly doesn't. All Right, We've got another
half hour to go on the Rod and Greg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k n RS.
A little bit different this year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Doesn't feel very pridy this month, this time, like last,
there were a few remember.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Major news events taking place, I think slightly overshadowed pride.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Mind, I know there's a lot of go about that.
The pace has been high, and the pro they just
don't know what part protest signs to print because there's
just so many things the left hates that they can't get.
They can't get with the program. It's just been all
over they've been all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Well, as Chuck Todd said over the weekend, the Democratic
Party is just a collection of people who hate Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
It seems to be. It seems to be the only
common denominator I can find.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Last week we talked about I think the term was
heat dome hysteria.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yes, very dawn heat dome story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Well, a lot of people say it's just another sign
that man is having an impact on the weather and
the climate. Blah blah blah. Well, are we really joining
us on our newsmaker line to talk more about this?
Is our good friend Steve Gorham, environmental research or author
of Green break Down, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. Steve's
always great to have in the show. Steve, How are

(01:14:16):
you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
Hey, Rod Hi, Greg, great to join you again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
All right, are we suffering through heat dome hysteria again, Steve?

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
Yeah, we are. It's and it could be a very
hot summer and they had approach to one hundred degrees
much of the east and south and the central part
of the country. I think there were twenty eight hundred
state record highs that were set in the last week.
Somebody counted them all up, but you know, if you
look at the data from a broader perspective, we've seen

(01:14:49):
this in the past. And a great site to go
to is a site at the National Shanic and Atmospheric
Administration Noah. They have a site called State Streams and
they track all of the state high temperature records and
if you go there you find some interesting things that.
First off, two thirds thirty six of fifty state high

(01:15:13):
temperature records were set nineteen seventy five or before, about
fifty years ago. And as matter of fact, the decade
with the most state highs was the nineteen thirties. We
had twenty three of the state of the fifty state
high temperature records that were set in the nineteen thirties.

(01:15:33):
And of course, you know, these articles never talk about that.
We had CNN saying heat waves are getting more dangerous
with climate change and NPR saying that that was caused
by burning coal, oil and gas. But they don't really
give you the history which points out that we've had
warmer temperatures in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I would agree, and I think that my memory serves
that summers have been hot, and I just have never
seen the coolness and the cool breeze of it. Seems
to always be hot. It seems to be dependable that way.
Talk to me, Steve, I'm curious about how we collect
the data. How do we collect temperatures? I mean, are
they going to the black asphalt in the middle of

(01:16:12):
the city to do it? Are they out on a Mountain.
How are we convinced that how we collect temperatures or
record this data is consistent over the decades, or is
there a way to manipulate that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
Well, you're right, Greg, there is a problem with that.
It's called it urban heat island effect. And a guy
by the name of Anthony Watts a few years ago
or organized nationwide bunch of volunteers to go look at
the US temperature stations. There's about twelve hundred US temperature
stations that record temperatures all the time. But they have

(01:16:46):
specifications for these stations. They say they have to be
like one hundred yards from any structure. But they found
that eighty percent of the stations did not did not
meet the standards. They were sitting in parking lots, they
were next to car radiators and buildings and all sorts
of things. And this urban urban heat island effect. When

(01:17:07):
you when you build concrete roads and buildings and airports
and other things, it tends to warm up the local area.
So we do have a bias in our temperature measurements,
and it is part of what's been going on. But
on the other hand, we've also had.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
A little bit of warming. We've had about one.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
Degree celsius of warming in one hundred and forty years, which.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Is yeah, one degree celsius. We're going to make it well.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
The other the other part of things is that it's
been warmer in the past. A great example is the
Rhone Glacier. If maybe some of your listeners have been
to central Switzerland, there's a glacier river flows out. Just
got back from there and it flows into France and
on the Mediterranean. So this is a mountainside to mountainside
glacier and it's been receding for one hundred years. But

(01:17:56):
every time the ice pulls back, they find wagon wheels
and horse bridles and other things that were under the ice.
And scientists have pointed out for most of the last
ten thousand years that valley has been ice free. So
today's temperatures are not abnormally warm, and there's just mountains
of evidence that that is not the case. Yet we
have the United Nations singer in the Age of Global Boiling,

(01:18:18):
and a lot of other nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Steve, I was looking at that map you pointed out
what I found interesting were some of the dates and
the years where the high temperature records were set I'm
looking in the Midwest nineteen thirty six, nineteen thirty six,
nineteen thirty four, as I recall, wasn't that the dust
bowl era back then? So I mean there're your records
being set well.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
In Illinois, for example, we had a temperature one hundred
and eighteen. I mean some of these were very, very
high in the past, and it's never gotten anywhere close
to that in my lifetime. So this is a climate.
That's what the Earth does. It has highs and lows,
it has storms, it has droughts and flow us. But
we have a whole group of people now that's saying

(01:19:02):
this is caused by your neighbor's SUV, which is you know,
that's the closest thing to modern superstition. That the best
example I can think.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Of, Well, it's highlight when Bezos gets married in Venice
and all the anti you know, all the climate change
people drive fly all their private jets to the wedding.
I mean, our cars are the problem, but there what's
their jets. I mean, I would think there'd be more
fuel burned on a one trip to Venice than we're
going to do anytime soon. That what about that hypocrisy

(01:19:31):
is that is that bleeding into the public sentiment. Is
there some cynicism growing about this climate change? Feels like
a cult or or a religion to me?

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
I think there is. I think there is. We have
people pushing back in this country, led by mister Trump.
Of course, in Europe, I have a friend by the
name of doctor Benny Pizer, and he's pointed out the
people in Europe are just jaded with this whole thing.
They don't believe it anymore that the climate's scare. In
Germany we have a new party, the Alternative for Deutsche Line,

(01:19:59):
that got a about a twenty or thirty percent of
the vote last elections, and they have a plank to
ban all wind turbines. We have a new party in
the UK headed up by Nigel Farage and they're using
the frayed the phrase net stupid zero. So we have
some of this stuff going on. It's not just what

(01:20:20):
Trump's doing here, but it's around the world. We have
a lot of people that are pushing back.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Steve a final question. I know you watched its very closely, Steve,
but we've seen the debate over wind and turbine. We
have a renewed effort here in the state of Utah
toward nuclear power. Do you see that growing and coming
to fruition someday, Steve, Well, I hope so.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
I think nuclear has to have cost breakdowns. It's too
expensive right now. You can build a gas plant in
about three years, and you can nuclear plant takes ten years.
A gas plant is about a quarter of the price.
Part of that is regulations. I spoke to a group,
a plastic pipe group recently. They said, we usually ship
pipe to an industry, it takes week or two pieces

(01:21:01):
of paper. If we ship to the nuclear industry, it
takes one or two inches of paper. So there's a
tremendous amount of regulation. But if we can get some
breakthrough as a nuclear it certainly could become a big factor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Steve is always great chatting with you. You do a great job.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time. Thanks Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
It takes a lot on our news maker line that
Steve gouram really good guy. Had him on the show
on a number of occasions over the years. He's an
environmental researcher, an author, and a speaker, and he talks
about all these issues that he brought up I think
the American people are starting to wake up a minute here, you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Know, And it's I just love that when you bring
some data to it.

Speaker 9 (01:21:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I've heard that one of the big problems has been
how they measure and where they measure the temperatures, and
it was and Steve was right on it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and I mentioned just in Switzerland.
The thing about Switzerland, people say they're crazy and blah
blah blah. But you know what, Greg, they've taken a
very pragmatic approach to this and worked with the public
and done some of the simple things. It may help
damn gotten crazy, just some of the basic things. And
I think that's where the environmental movement went crazy. Earth

(01:22:07):
is going to freeze versus going to burn popular all
these these the just scary predictions. The American people wouldn't know.
If they would have taken a simple, pragmatic, pragmatic approach
to things, I think we'd be more in line to
the one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I agree with you. And it doesn't hurt when Switzerland
and these countries have such an institutional memory of what
their climate has been in the cycles they've been through.
Like Steve mentioned, with the the glaciers that when they
come and go, they see that there were human things,
things underneath the glaciers that they weren't there forever.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
It's that's true. That's true. All right, more coming up,
final segment of the Rod and Greg Show with you
on this Monday, right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n rs uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
But you're listening to Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine,
can r s. I'm citizen Huges.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I mean, I need to put my pride shirts away
and all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I just think it just it happened. The month came
and went so fast, just went.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
You have to really overwhelm, like bombing Iran.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Yes, yeah, that was one of them. That was one
of the of the many the riots in LA. But
that was so like three two weeks ago, three weeks ago.
It's just on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
You know, you have to wonder Greg about CNN and
what they do sometimes. I mean CNN. The Trump administration
is fuming tonight over this report on CNN about ice Block.
It is a new app designed to alert illegal immigrants
of nearby ice presence. Listen to this report from CNN.

Speaker 16 (01:23:33):
The Trump administration steps up ice raids and mass deportations.
One tech developer is pushing back with an app designed
to track ICE activity in real time. It's called ice Block,
and it's controversial, to say the least. Santa Claire Duffy
is with us. Now, how does this work, Claire and
what are the legal implications?

Speaker 17 (01:23:54):
Yeah, John, I talked with Joshua Aaron, who is the
longtime tech worker who developed this platform, and he said
he really wants it to be an early warning system
for people about the location of immigrations and customs enforcement officers.
So he says he does not want people interfering with
those officers' activity, but he does want people to be
able to avoid them altogether if they want.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Wait a minute, he doesn't want to interfere with ICE operations,
but he's going to tell everybody where they are.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
I want a bank robber makes a lot of sense.
That helps the bank robber know when he doesn't want
to interfere with the arrest of the bank robber. But
if the bank robber doesn't want to be caught, yeah,
he might want to go to the app that says
where the police are looking for him, so that you know,
but don't interfere but hey, bank robber, here's an app

(01:24:42):
so that you know if you're being chased.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
I've got another idea. How about an app to tell
the bank rubber which bank is the best one to rob?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Well, why not security?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Why not do something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
The tech guys and CNN they're all on a roll.
Why don't they just push out all these illegal Yeah,
we can get away with illegal conduct apps. Okay, it
sounds great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Okay, this is starting to rub me the wrong way.
Gas prices in Utah, around the country, gas is that
record lows. I've been this low in four years. Not here, No,
what on earth is going on? I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I think this is a story that the people are
gonna have to start reaching out and making a little
bit louder noise because I keep seeing two dollars and
something gasoline across America. We are at last time I checked,
it was like three twenty seven for regular un letting
three thirty where I was at I paid three fifty
nine the other day, and that's for the higher octane.
But that eighty five there is eighty seven octane in

(01:25:37):
other states. That's two two fifty a gallon. Two. I
mean it's we're at two, we're at three twenty seven
or three thirty. And I'm telling you, I do not
see our prices just as the national average moves around.
I don't see it. It's not happening here. And you
got to ask yourself. And I don't want to sound paranoid,
but how many different gas stations, casash convenience stores are there?

(01:25:58):
There might be one that's kind of know everywhere, setting
the price everywhere. I'm just saying they've got a big
market share.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
You're going to hate this story, but I do this
just to tick you off. You're ready, Okay. It's like
the airport ranked in the top ten. Oh that's a
lot in the US. Were reading for CNN for its accessibility,
art and on site shops for new gates, central terminal

(01:26:25):
shops and a sensory room. I didn't know they had
one of them. And there's a testimony to the airport's
global itinerary. I know you hate the airport, but I love.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
The accessibility is wrong. It takes you a year to
watch you walk forever. It is the It is the
most ridiculous airport.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Over the place. I've never heard any I like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
The air the other ones have trained trams that get
you from one side to the other. They just have
you hoof it forever. It's just it's apt. They tell
you to cure your own luggage to the plane and
put down the plate. I'd be take me it, take
you forever. It is like the Pioneer experience. If you
haven't done that, if you haven't done the airport, the
cart thing in the summertime, just go to the airport.

(01:27:08):
You'll get the same experience. And krts and airports it's
the same. So negative beautiful airport's terrible. That does it
for us. Tonight, head off, shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family. Have a great evening everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Donald Trump goes to al cat Alcatraz tomorrow we'll talk
about I can't wait.

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