The Rod and Greg Show: Australia's Ban on Social Media for Kids; Dem Policies and High Energy Costs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is the Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine, kN Arrest Live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. Hope your Thursday's been a good one,
beautiful looking day on the outside again very well, Yeah,
I'm roder. You want to go golf today?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I'm citizen Hughes pro climate change if it's going
to stay warm like this, and and yes i'm your host.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah good, all right. We've got a lot of the weather,
a lot to get to today. Steve Moore will join us.
He's got a lot of things to say about the
nation's economy and what's going on, and we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about what Australia is. They're up to their
old tricks again. I mean, this is a government down there, Greg.
They want to control everything now, they want to control

(00:41):
miners and their access through social media.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Haart Man. I lived there for a couple of years.
I loved Australia that I said this yesterday, But I'm
not kidding. I think some of the COVID and forward
actually they're a little heavy handed. Even way back, Remember
it was all a prison, a penal colony, right, It
was a bunch of criminals when they started, so they
were inherently heavy handed in some ways.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Didn't the UK just kick them all out? Go to
the Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We're going to give you a life, but we want
want to put you in a prisoners. Take you this
place that can ever see you again. You're gonna go
down there and live. It's really hot.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
There's not a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
But but no since covid On they have they make
and I'm not kidding you, they make China look like
Liberty Land. I mean they are. They would give you
two hours to be out. I mean I have friends
in Australia. They would tell me how unbelievably oppressive it
was and has become. And I think that this this
new law, as much as it's well intentioned in terms

(01:34):
of young people sixteen younger not using social media, what
they are going to have to know about every Australian
adult or mine to know when the miner might be
using it, I'm not supposed to is draconian at the
highest level.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I just I just don't understand Australia. It's not the
it's not the no worries place it used to be.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
We're going to be talking about that a little bit
later on. So we've got a lot to get to
and we invite you to be a part of the
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by downloading the new iHeart Radio app All right, Well,
the big story of the day, and Abby was talking

(02:16):
about it. Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk,
made his first court appearance today. Greg. Up until this
point it's been video, but today he was a you know,
he was in court, yeah, family, a nice pair of
slacks and shirt, and I think he was wearing a tie,
looked like it and about a four hour hearing on
a number of interesting issues.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Greg, Well, so here's what frustrates me. I get the
whole conversation of you know, prison jumpsuit and shackles versus
you know, being presumed innocent, so you look like you're
you know, you've been released and you're just a normal person.
I get all that, but I don't think right now,
in these preliminary hearings where there's no jury to observe this,

(02:57):
they have to go to such great lengths to make
them look like you innocent. They'll proven guilty when you're
charged with murder. Doesn't mean that you have to make
sure that their chair is comfortable and that they're feeling good,
and that they It is just too much accommodation at
this point in this preliminary hearing process. All the talk
of the shackles and the security and everything else, he

(03:19):
is you know anyway, I just think that they're there's
they're paying too much attention to these these details in
a time where you're just trying to procedurally get to
a hearing and you need to just get to that hearing.
And I if someone says, well, a juror may see
him in that prospective juror might see that if you
haven't seen his face, if you haven't seen what he

(03:40):
has been accused of, if you if it's a it's
a national story, if not global, if you haven't seen
any of that, what he's wearing at that preliminary hearing
isn't going to make it isn't going to make a
hillobyans different.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, Yeah, I would agree with you, Greg, and and
you think the expense, which you know that this whole
trial is going to cost Utah County an amazing amount
of money. I know you work with his sheriffs. You
made in some sense of that it's going to cost
a lot. But there are questions about, Okay, what about
cameras in the courtroom. Yes, I mean, as Erica Kirk

(04:11):
had said, her husband's assassination was a public event. We
all saw that video, or a lot of us. I
saw once. I said, I don't want to see it anymore.
But we've all seen the video of him being killed
in public. His killer, in my opinion, should be bought
on trial in public. We as a public have a
right to see and hear the evidence and then we

(04:31):
can decide for ourselves where this is going to go.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, Will said, I don't know what to add. I
don't know how to add to that. That's exactly right.
I just think that the process needs to move on,
that they're going to bog this down in procedural motions
and all of this, all these details, and you know,
right now there's somewhat drama that you know, the judge
had said he doesn't want us, he doesn't want any
images media images of him in playing clothes, but in shackles. Okay, well,

(05:00):
well that's been violated. Apparently there's some media camera caught
a picture. And so now that's all the drama we're
talking about. We're talking about a capital murder case here,
not an image of someone in shackles who's being charged
with that, with that crime.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Again.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I just think we're going to get this thing just
bogged down in these procedural motions, and I just think
it starts to distract from the job at hand.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, I wonder. I wondered today, Greg, because here Tyler
Robinson is sitting at the defense table, right, and a
couple of times he smiled. I think one time they
caught him laughing. Someone said something, you know, jokingly, a
little bit kind of a chuckle on his face. I
wonder what. I highly doubt she watched this. She may have,
I don't know. She's forgiven the guy, you know, and

(05:46):
wants to move on, but she wants justice carried out
as well. But if friends of Charlie Kirk his family
saw this today and saw this guy sitting there and say,
why is he sitting there? And Charlie, isn't it just
is not fair.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And I've I've tried to look this up for our listeners.
I want to be I just want to see. The
two most high profile murders that that I can think
of is the one is the healthcare executive. Yeah, okay,
that that guy that the that you know has become
some female. I am telling you, I've seen images of
him in preliminary hearings. That's and he's in an orange jumpsuit.

(06:25):
Now maybe he's dressed better now, yeah he is, but
there was a number of hearings where you saw him
in shackles and an orange jumpsuit. So those images are
out there, and there's quite a bit of them. The
next one is that the one that happened earlier than that,
and that was that this psychopath in Idaho that killed
out all those college kids in that house. That guy,

(06:45):
I've seen a zillion images of that guy in a
jumpsuit in shackle So why all of a sudden now
we parachute into some you know, pearl clutching moment that
this guy is going to be seen in a jump
suit and shackles. Is I don't understand. It's selective logic
to me, it's selective outrage, don't. I didn't even know
it would be a thing. So you've got that. You've

(07:07):
also got the whole security apparatus. Because this is such
a national story, there is more security there. There's some
voices out there and some I don't know if it's
the media, but they want to know what are those
details we the public needs to business?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
That's exactly why you have those security details, because you
want to keep everybody safe that's involved. You don't do
that by telling people that might want to be violent
what those plans look like.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Our good friend Brett Tolman, who we've had on the
show before, form we're us attorney for Utah. Now all
fox Soon's contributor. I think he mentioned Dabby. Abby may
have mentioned this in their newscapts a moment ago. They
may call as many as two thousand people to the jury. Well,
so they can find an impartial jury. Yeah, it'd be
interesting to see how that all breaks out to. And
that's months away.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Here's my final thought on that this guy turned himself in. Yes, Okay,
this isn't some you know, this isn't some serial killer
that they've been tracking for years and he finally got
some DNA and I pointed to a guy. This guy
turned himself in and I got to tell you that
the family friend that was the deputy sheriff who brought
him in. It seems like the red carpet has been

(08:15):
rolled out for this young man. I have not seen anything.
But let's treat him fairly. Let's treat him. Can we stop?
I just, I just I think it's out I think
it's an outlier. I just don't think I've seen people,
especially those that turn themselves in and confess about what
they've done. I've not seen this type of accommodation and
all this fussing over the over the process.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
The one thing I think they're trying to be doing
a try. They're trying to do greg in my opinion,
especially the prosecution team and the Sheriff's down there, be
extremely careful because they do not want anything that could
come up which would allow this trial to be called
a mistrial or something that. So, I, you know, it
seems ridiculous, but I understand they're trying to take every

(09:00):
caution they can to make sure they don't have problems.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yep, yeah, I know that I can tell you is
absolutely the case.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
They are really really being careful with what they're saying
and doing because they don't want any anyone to know
use it as an unnecessary defense.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
All Right, we've got a lot to get too. Great
to join you on this Thursday afternoon. It is the
Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh five
nine k nrs.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
This this Somali thing.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
We will not blow this off like many people, like
the Democrats, hope. Yeah, And many Americans feel fatigued where
they just can't feel urgency twenty four to seven. So
maybe this isn't you don't feel the weight of the
mass fraud that's happened. But we're going to keep covering
this story.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
We sure are. Now we've heard figures anywhere from one
billion dollars to eight billion dollars. Where has all that
money gone? And what kind of organizations took this? Apparently
Americans we're paying Somali's not to assimilate. Let's find out
what's going on in that story. Beth Realia is joining
us on our news maker line. She's with the Federalist.
Always ready to have Beth on the show. Beth, how
are you welcome back to the Roding Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Great, hey guys, nice to be here.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Beth.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You've been taking a look at where some of this
money has been going, the organizations who benefited from it.
What did you find out, Beth?

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Well, what I found was, and this is I thought
about thirty let's see here, millions of like thirty two
million dollars. That is not even included in the billions
you just mentioned. This is studies and things like that
that have helped Somolians get real comfortable in the United States,

(10:31):
but not assimilate. You know, they many of them came
to Minnesota in nineteen ninety one. They'reabouts to escape famine
in their own country. That was thirty four years ago.
So they've had time to settle, which they have, and
time to assimilate, which they have not. And part of

(10:52):
the reason they haven't assimilated is because we've got these
researchers that are doing all kinds of studies on them
and making their life easy. We're respecting their culture so
much that they don't have to assimilate.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It confuses me because we've had this discussion. But if
I were just just without politics, just common sense, if
I were to move to a different country, and in
my they speak a different language, and I'm I'm I
want to be successful in that country. I would think
I'd have to get with the program, meaning I'd have
to understand the language, to have a conversation, to get
a job, to just be part of it. How And

(11:31):
I wouldn't find that to be oppressive. I moved there
to whatever the country that would be. So I would
imagine there's just some embedded duties to be to have
a life.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Why why is there?

Speaker 6 (11:41):
Why?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
How can they even argue that assimilating into the America
doesn't give them, doesn't empower them or give them greater
access to the American dream.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, they don't seem to want the American dream on
Americans terms. They want to hang on to their lange,
which they want to hang on to.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
Like.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
There's a lot of efforts in agriculture to get them
culturally appropriate food, to teach them our farming methods so
that they can grow food that they like that's maybe
not very marketable, but please use our farmland to grow
stuff you like to eat. I think we all saw
the video recently of the mayor of Minneapolis eating some

(12:26):
really icky beans.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's a true funny video.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
One of the I don't want to make your listeners sick,
But there's female genital mutilation. Ninety nine percent of girls
in Somalia undergo this horrible religious ceremony. It's illegal and
pencil or in. It's illegal in Minnesota, Okay, but it
happens anyway. They use crude, sharp devices to do yucky

(12:57):
things to girls. So there was a study, a multimillion
dollars study by the University of Minnesota, not to an
effort to make them stop doing that horrible for a
barrack procedure, but to study how to help women who
are embarrassed by that procedure give themselves selves administered papsmeers

(13:18):
to screen them for cervical cancer. Well, they're not getting
cervical cancer screenings in their home country. Why don't we
help them stop this disgusting practice and do something healthier
with their bodies, you know, instead of putting money into that.
We're go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well I want to you talked about some other programs.
I mean there's a program where I guess the Mayo
Clinic got a grant of three million dollars because apparently
Somalis have a tough time sleeping. There's another one where
they were paying money for beauty advice as to how
Samali women could look more beautiful. I mean, how ridiculous
is this money being spent?

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Beath Well, the thing is, you know, like I said before,
they've had thirty four years to settle. So this has
happened before I started this project because the whole Somali
corruption thing blew up. So I started looking at that.
I was in the middle of research on just refugee

(14:17):
settlements across the country and money that we've put into
them in the last few years, and I was starting
to see some crazy spending happening there. So what I'm
thinking is thirty four years from now, if we don't
do something, every place that there's currently a population, like

(14:42):
the Somali population where refugees have settled, we're going to
have this problem in you know, every place is going
to be Minneapolis because we're not asking people to assimilate
to American culture. American culture is so valuable people want
to come here.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, so might Yeah, Beth, here's my question that for ever,
for every reason you just shared, if they have not assimilated,
how on earth after in thirty four years are they
able to commit such unprecedented billions of dollars in fraud?
Minnesota now looks like Maine. Elect a member of Congress,
elect members of state respective state legislatures. There's a woman

(15:20):
in the Maine state legislature. There's nothing but vitrioll to
share about the United States. How has a community who's
not been interested in assimilating embedded themselves in fraud and
in Congress and in state legislatures.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
How does that even happen?

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Well, a lot of it goes back to the Democrats
Socialists of America who have You know, you look at
these candidates and they're if you see a hinky candidate
that hates America. They're almost certainly part of the DSA
and there which has totally overtaken the Democrat Party in Minnesota,

(15:56):
and they're looking to do the same thing in in
New York. They're paying attention to the small town mayoral races,
even smaller Minneapolis is pretty big city actually, but they're
paying attention to borough council elections. They're growing candidates and
getting them in place and putting them into bigger and

(16:19):
bigger positions. So they know how it works. They know
how to find them free money. They know how to
get people. You know, it's our apathetic voters and roll
voter turnout is helping to also give these people a
ramp onto changing our culture power.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Beth has always great work. Again, thanks for joining us
this afternoon, My pleasure.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's brilliant from the Federalist talking about the American taxpayers
paying for millions of dollars for the Somalis not to assimilate.
All right, more coming up it is the Rodin greg
Show on Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kay an
Ter s, I.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Wish someone could I wish if they could have just
talked to us. We say, you know, these Democrats aren't
losing a sleep, just totally robbing this state of a seat.
They're they're counting them up. They're just stacking them up
large in California and here in Utah. You know the
issues that confront Indiana, they certainly had every right to
redistrict that state, and so you got you got a

(17:20):
different set of rules for Republicans and Democrats in this country.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, yeah, uh. You know, earlier this week we were
talking about John Curtis saying that, you know, we need
to hug an immigrant every day so that we can't
feel good.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Now, Spencer Cox, who was on CNA, Remember when he
used to say don't watch CNN or listen to Fox.
He used to say that. Now he's on all the time. Well,
he was on the town hall meeting last night there
and he says, I don't think Donald Trump wants to
unite the country.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, you know, he doesn't know. I think he tried
to pivot to the right. The right didn't really welcome
him with open arms. I think he's back to the
left and trying to make the CNN crowd happy.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Well, speaking of the president, some good economic news today
and the Dow took off record high again today. Interest
rates were dropped yesterday. Joining us on our any hour
news Maker line right now? Is it kind of with
Steve Moore? Always great to have Steve on the show. Steve,
a lot of economic news coming out. What do you
make of all this?

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well, you're right, a lot of new developments with the economy.
One of the most important ones is that the Fed
cut their interest rate back quarter points. That's not a surprise,
That's what everybody was expecting, and I think it was
the right move. Look, I'm still worried a little bit
about inflation. We're running at about tick two point five
to three percent right now, which is a big improvement
over what we had under Biden, but we want to

(18:32):
get that rate down to the to the target rate,
which is two percent, So still a little progress needs
to be made. By the way, what are you guys
paying there in Salt Lake for gas these days?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, you know what, Steve, greg and I have you
really been on a tie rate over this because we
hear prices around the country lower and they haven't dropped here.
They are starting to drop here.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I finally got under this mark.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, we're under the three dollars mark. So we are
starting to see it, but it's been pretty slow Steve.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay, So you know, basically, there are about twenty states
that are less than three dollars a gallon now, and
there's I think three states that are below two dollars
a gallon, which is pretty amazing. So we're seeing improvement
in the gas prices. By the way, we used to
measure inflation by what's happening with gas prices, but now
the gas prices are down. In the media says no,
we're going to look at these prices the moving target. Listen,

(19:25):
the news has been good on the economy, and a
really strange thing is maybe you, fellows, can explain this
to me. With all of this good news that's coming in, Look,
we got all times hot highs on the stock market,
we've got a good job situation, we've got incomes rising
fast in patient, Why is it people are so somber?
Why are they so glum? Because the polls show, you know,

(19:47):
fifty seven percent of voters this is a Fox poll,
fifty seven percent disapproved with the way Trump is handling
the economy and only thirty seven percent approof So it's
a mystery to me I can't quite figure out. But
I'm pretty bullish on where the economy's headed into twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, let me ask you this, Steve. Have you talked
to missus Moore, because we've talked to missus Hughes and
missus Ark and they tell us not at the grocery store,
we don't see anything.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Exactly now that that's exactly right. People are angry when
they come out of the grocery store because one of
the biggest increases has been as I mentioned before, is
the price of hamburgers and steakes and you know that
kind of thing which you know, used to be my
wife to said, I used to be be able to
buy a stake for fifteen dollars and I was twenty
five dollars. So you know, Look, people don't like it
when prices rise, but I believe we're in a lot

(20:36):
better shape. Let's not forget that about I said this
on the on Seohn Andy Show the other night that
you know, eighty seven percent of the inflation that people
are angry about happened under Biden. It didn't happen under Trump.
All the price rises happened under the previous president. But
look that only takes you so far blaming the you know,
the past, your predecessor.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, so there's so much to talk about, and you're
the guru I love. I am so bullish about especially
as you've pointed out the tax relief that we see
that when tax returns are submitted and rebates are brought back.
I see everything that you're saying. I got a twenty
something young man he actually follows your newsletter and he
wrote me and he said, this is the part I
don't understand because you pointed out rightfully, that the value

(21:21):
of homes are going up so well, and we're seeing
the trillions of dollars of assets that we Americans have
in our homes, which we wouldn't want those prices to
be devalued. But he's saying, Dad. Also, the stat is
that I had to be forty years old before I
own a house.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
And Steve Moore said, the only way.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'm getting yours is I'm going to I'm going to
get your house, is what he said.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And so I got to wait for you to die exactly.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
No, that is the kind of dilemma here, is that
on the one hand, old folks like me, I'm sixty five,
I'm a baby boomer. You know, my house is like
tripled in value over the last fifteen years. But the
problem is my kids can't afford to buy it.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yes, you know, so I tell you true.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
And I and look, I think what we need to
do in this country is just build more affordable housing.
And a lot of this is due to I don't
know about Salt Lake, but so many big blue cities
have so many restrictions I'm building, you know, single family
homes and affordable housing that it's really driven up the cost. So,

(22:22):
but look, you know, third we have is Americans thirty
five trillion dollars of wealth in our homes, thirty five
trillion dollars. So the fact that housing values go up
shows that more and more people are buying up real
estate in the United States because they believe in this country.
And this happened and the red and Reagan was present,

(22:43):
we had the big boom. So I understand it's a
double edged sword on the one hand, but as I
said in the hotline the other day, yeah, the young
people complain about the you know, the how how much
these houses cost. But guess what, when I die, I'm
going to pass my house.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
You showing me that much.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
By the way, I know about that because my kids
already licking his lips. Okay, thanks to you your newsletter.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, thanks for wishing our worried.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
That my kids are going to poison me.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Exactly up, Steve, let's talk about it. Let's talk about
Obamacare for just a minute. The Senate rejected both proposals today,
one from the Democrats one from the Republicans. Looks like
those subsidies are just going to go away at the
end of the year.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Steve, I hope so, I mean, look, Obamacare has been
a fraud. It is a failure. It is driving up costs.
We have the stupidest way of paying for healthcare. Ever,
there are twenty one states, by the way, that will
not comply with President Trump's order that you must tell
us if the people are signing up for food stamps
and Medicaid are actually eligible for the program? Do they

(23:47):
have a legitimate soul security card? I mean, come on,
how can you get these benefits? And look, I'm not
against immigration. I think immigration is good, but you know,
what are we going to do provide free healthcare for
everybody in the world. I mean, it's just it's certainly
outrageous how much this stuff costs. So I'm a big
believer that we have to you know. And by the way,
the insurance companies, as I've mentioned many times on your show,

(24:09):
are the real villains here. There is the ones who
want to keep jacking up all these subsidies. You know why,
because they're the ones who get rich off.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Of It're magking the money and they're making the money.
That's exactly right, Steve, Thanks for joining us. Steve more
Top Economists, former top economic advisor to President Trump, as
well more coming up here on the Rod and Greg
Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Can us it's time to get super sure?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
All right, real quick, Greg, It was bound to happen,
But I tell you what CNN got put through the
meat grinder today and the afternoon briefing White House Briefing
with Caroline Levitt Caitlin Collins who tried to push Caroline
Levitt to talk about the economy, talk about the numbers,
claiming they were bad. And this is how Caroline Levitt responded.

Speaker 8 (24:52):
My predecessor stood up at this podium and she said
inflation doesn't exist. She said the border was to cure,
and people like you just took her out her word
And now those were two utter lies. Everything I'm telling
you is the truth, backed by real factual data, and
you just don't want to report on it because you
want to push unsue narratives about the President.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I love it out ouch ouch yep, Caroline love it.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
You don't want to report it? Yeah, you just want
to keep pushing a false narrative. Good for her. She's
got a lot of vimen bigger.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, she does. She she does not, She does not
back down there was a story a week ago, and
I meant to bring it up on the show Greg
during this time, but I think it was the the
former mayor of Hebrew City, I believe, wrote an op
ed piece in the des Red News calling for more
electric school buses.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Really okay, it only cost a zillion dollars apiece.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And they don't work, and you know he said they're safe,
save the environment, protecting the kids.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Guess what happened in California last night? What one of
the school buses caught fire?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, No, that's like a it's like one of those
eternal flames you know in Arlington.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It'll just burn for the time.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well those things are very difficult to put out.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, chemical, it's they can't even get near it. They
got to let it burn. It's it's a disaster. Yeah,
it's a disaster.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well the guy said, uh, well we maybe not. We
shouldn't think of that. So that makes sense to me.
So all right, Uh, coming to the governor back in
the spotlight today, a lot of social media about our
dearly beloved governor, Governor Spencer Cox on CNN, which he
years ago told us we shouldn't pay any attention to

(26:33):
but apparently now we should. He says he does. He
does not think Donald Trump wants a united country.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
It's it's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, he he I think that's his But just
so you know, I think that's the true sentiment of
the governor. I mean, the governor has made many has
had many different opinions about the president over the years. Yes,
and it's gone from one side of the other. And
after Charlie Kirk's assassination, it looked like they were, you know,
they were tied it to hip to some degree. I mean,
there was a lot of a lot of cohesiveness, and

(27:05):
I think he took a lot of attacks from the left,
certainly from CNN types. And then but then he got
on CNN today this week, meeting on Monday, and I
think he was critical again, and that's kind of I
think that's more of who he is. I think he
was trying very hard to I think he heard the
voters and he wanted to be appreciated by conservatives in Utah.

(27:28):
But I don't know that he felt received by the conservatives.
So I think he's going to say, well, what do
I have to lose. I'm just going to say it
how I feel.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, well, we'll let you hear what he did have
to say and get some of your reactions to it.
It's all coming up our number two of the Rod
and Gregg Show on its way. Tyler Robinson, who's accused
of assassinating Charlie Kirk back on ninety one days ago.

(27:55):
It was his ninetieth day yesterday, ninety one days ago,
is when that took place.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
It did?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Tyler Robinson turned himself in, by the way, this wasn't
you know, so if we're wondering if he's guilty or not,
he has presumed innocent until proving guilty. But he turned
himself in. Yeah, so let's let's keep that in the.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Keep that in the equation.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of maneuvering going on now,
Greg and I. Earlier this week, we're talking about a
comment that Utah Senator John Curtis made. He was on
CNN over the weekend and he talked about, you know,
what he does or what he wishes people would do
each and every day and including go hugging immigrant.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I just think wake up every day and think, how
can I just love immigrants more? What can I do
to help him? Because that's what this is all about.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Everything, everything, everything we're going through, the four years of
madness that we lived through in the Biden administration. It's
just about hugging, loving, that's all. That's all, is a
serious senator, US senator you have to talk about? Yeah,
is that we just have to love more?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, sure, I guess that will solve the problem. I
guess that's all the problem is. You just haven't you know,
everybody has not, has not started their day wondering what
more or can they do for every immigrant.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I just if you just did that, we'd have no problems.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, okay, Well, then comes along Spencer Cox. Yes, Yes,
our governor who has told us numerous times over the
year that we need to disagree better. Yes, and that
the only way to do so would be to watch
or stop watching Fox News and CNN and MSNBC because
that will just further divide us. He has said that,
but he's kind of become a regular on CNN and

(29:27):
MSNBC anymore. And he was there Monday night. They were
doing a town hall meeting with Governor Shapiro. Is a
Josh Yeah, Josh Shapiro, Yes, the governor of Pennsylvania. Yes,
about you know, two governors, how they get along, and
you know, getting along, and how that will change the country,
you know, turn down the heat on political violence. Well,

(29:48):
he was also asked about Donald Trump, and he basically
said that the President does not want a united United
States of America. Here's what he said.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
I know that the President disagrees with me. He and
I have had these conversations. I have to say during
the Charlie Kirk shooting. In the conversations we had, he
he talked to me about nonviolence and UH and and
and trying to be a voice for that. I understand
he's not interested in in uniting the country and he
would tell you that, I think if he were sitting

(30:21):
here with us us tonight. But I would also say
that it's not going to be a president who fixes this.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's it's not going to be.

Speaker 9 (30:28):
Two governors who fix this. It really has to be
all of us, the politicians that we elect, our reflection
of we the people. This is kind of kind of
what we want today and uh and I think both
parties are guilty of it. And and so I'm going
to do my part. I appreciate Governor Shapiro doing his
part to tone down that rhetoric. Let's have the debate,

(30:49):
Let's let's fight about the ideas. Let's fight about the issues.
That's what we're supposed to do. And I believe that
the best the best ideas are going to win. And
uh and and that's that's fair game.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
But I.

Speaker 9 (31:03):
Truly don't like the personalization of these attacks.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Josh Shapiro, his name has come up quite often. His
name was mentioned possibly to take Joe Biden's place.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, but you know that vice presidential candidate potentially instead
of Walls.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
His name and still being kicked around, and Governor Cox
would ask if he would in fact vote for Josh
Shapiro if he was the presidential nominee of the Democratic
Party in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Do you think he would be a good president?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 9 (31:32):
I have to tell you, I think I'm very biased
towards governors. I think governors make the best presidents.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I just do.

Speaker 9 (31:40):
I think for this very reason, we always say that
potholes aren't partisan. As governors, we actually have to accomplish stuff.
And our system was set up for the states to
be laboratories of democracy so that we could learn from
each other and steal ideas, and that people vote with
their feet. Now if you're if your state isn't performing,

(32:02):
they will move to another state. And so I've been
very impressed with what he's been able to do on
the economy with permitting reform, cutting regulations that sounded like
red state stuff, and and he's he's doing it, and
that's that's impressive to me. And and so yeah, yeah,
I think I think there are a lot of governors
in this country who would make great presidents, and I

(32:23):
think he would.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Be one of them. It's so funny to watch you.
You are just chomping at the bit to say with
a few comments on this. I have a few as well,
but I'll let you go first when it comes to
what the governor said.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, first off, I have to start with this one.
I cannot folks, if you hear people say that it
is Republicans and Democrats alike who are contributing to this
negative tone and to this that we're going through the
violence in politics or whatever it may be, this is
not this. You cannot spread this across Republicans and Democrats.

(32:58):
It's not an equal problem. It lets these violent leftists
off the hook. When you say it's everyone, because it
fundamentally is not. Yeah, okay, it is not. When he
says that the president would tell you himself that he
has no interest in uniting this country, I think that
is misrepresented. I think he understands his critics out there.

(33:19):
He understands there's not anything he can do to persuade
them otherwise. Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing. Acknowledging
that doesn't mean he doesn't want to unite this country
because I believe that the things that he works on
him prioritizes are uniting issues of whether it's fair trade
deals around the world, closing the border, public safety, affordability,

(33:40):
he lowering the the inflation and seeing interest rates lowered.
These are uniting principles. You wouldn't know it from the
media that covers him. But that again, is not him
wanting a divided country. Him pursuing a divided country. And
it certainly isn't some problem we have about tone that
we all equally share as Republicans and Democrats. If you

(34:01):
can't see a Tesla takedown, if you can't see what
the Democrats have done and provoked across this country of
everyday Americans, then you're not paying attention. I just think
it's such a cop out to say, well, we're all
to blame.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, well, at that point has been made, you know.
You know, I think the the Democrats are out there saying, well,
it's all of you folks on the right who are
promoting violence. You want political violence, that's why that's what
they and people like Spencer Cotch. You would think he
would understand that's not the case.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
You should defend.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
The fact is I want you to listen to this thing.
This is Jasmine Crockett, okay talking about Democrats and violence,
and listen to this bontage of Democratic leaders who are
calling for violence.

Speaker 10 (34:47):
I challenge somebody to go and find a clip of
a Democrat invoking violence, and let's extinguish him for good.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
I will go and take Trump out to night. We're
gonna fight it the courts. I don't want to fight
it in the streets.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
When they go low, We're going to bury them below
the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
That's what we're going to do.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
We take them to the mount and choke them out.

Speaker 8 (35:09):
You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
For as long as there's unrest in our lives.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all
of the country, and maybe they're will big.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
We're walking down a damn different path. We're fighting fire
with fire and want to punch these sons of bitches
in the mouth.

Speaker 9 (35:24):
I've taken behind the gym and beat the hell out
of them, hip back, punch back, and make sure that
they stay down, and you know what, kick them when
they're down.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Because every one of those comments are from a Democratic
leader in this country, and we're being accused, those of
us on the right, being accused of promoting political violence.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
We'll show me the Republican equivalent. Show it to me,
even in our state of Utah. Show me the equivalent
of a no King's rally where someone shot and killed. Okay,
show me it's equivalent in the state of Utah on
the right right of center. I don't know one. If
I'm wrong, you know, someone correct me. But I am
telling you that they have used fear to fement, you know,

(36:02):
the fement, fear to compel behavior, and it is a
tool in the tool shed. This is this is a
daily practice with him calling Trump a fascist, a Nazi.
You you just can't find You even have Senator Fetterman
who will say different than Governor Cox that you've got
to quit attacking Erica kirkis who's lost her husband and

(36:22):
has children and this is not a decent thing to do.
He calls out members of his own party. That of
his own party. Why why we can't have where that's
common sense. Why can't we have people that would do
the same in terms of pointing to the ones that
are the root of the cause. Forget that it sounds
so nice to say we're all to blame. You know,

(36:42):
we all have to just take a good look at ourselves.
This is the This is what they say on on
you know, on doctor Phil. Okay, this isn't what you
say as a serious adult leader, Paul, you know, elected official,
call the balls and strikes and call what's going on
in this country for what it is.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah. Well, first, the attacks on eric kirk and they've
been many, there have been many lately, are despicable. I'm sorry, folks,
but this this is a woman whose husband was killed
in front of millions of eyes right looking this. She
has want two young children to raise without their father,
and she's being attacked and her husband is being attacked.
So let's talk about political violence now when we come back, Greg,

(37:20):
because we need to take a break. I've got a
thought on what I don't think people like Spencer Cox
understand about the Democrats. I'll share that when we come back.
It is the Rotten Greg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Knrs Spencer Cox, who
wants to have a conversation, you know, sit down, which
I think you and I would agree with. Sure, we

(37:40):
can have that, right. So, yeah, that's why we like that.
I love conversation. But what they do not understand. And
I think what people like Spencer Cox and Josh Shapiro
and maybe other public maybe John Curtis in this state,
the Democratic base is not in the mood to compromise.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
They are not.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
They do not on a compromise. I don't believe they
have to. Yeah, they don't believe they have to. I mean,
you know this guy who's running against Jasmine Crockett for
the Senate down there in Texas. He put out a
on his website. Here's what it says, vote for me.
It's time to start flipping tables. Yeah, now does that
sound like somebody wants to sit down and have a

(38:20):
conversation about solving the nation's problems. No, they I think
they picked up what Donald Trump did the day he
was nearly assassinated. Fight, fight, fight, and that's all they want. Yeah,
for all the wrong things that so so so governor
cost can call for, let's have a lotty law kissy
face time. They do not the real active wing of

(38:42):
the Democratic Party. And I think you'll see that in
this new district, if in fact it flies here in
the state of Utah. I'm at first I thought Ben
mccadams is in, he's in, he's got right. But now,
I mean, you had a bet.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I think you have to buy me dinner for lunch
for like weeks I made that.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I don't know if even of Ben mccadams, who you
would think maybe is kind of a moderaty though he's
not if you really know where he stands on things,
If he doesn't go real far left and say fight, fight, fight,
we don't want to compromise, he's not gonna win that district.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So some of this is politics. This is campaigns and elections,
and campaign elections sadly sometimes doesn't even Rember resemble public
service and public policy. But what campaigns and elections typically
have been in the past is you got to if
you're a Democrat, you got to run to the left
to make your base happy.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yes, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Then as soon as you get the nomination, you got
to sprint back to the to the middle and be
there for the general election. And we've seen that the
distance that you would have to run left and the
distance you'd have to come to the center wasn't as far.
It wasn't it wasn't planetary, it wasn't like solar system,
you know, size or distance. And now I think that

(39:55):
that it's gotten so strident, and I'm going to say
this is not an unfair statement. This isn't me being
selfish or myopic. I am going to tell you that
the tactics of the left is violence.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
It is fear.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
They believe they can get you to act out of
fear as your prime motivator, where I do not see
that as the number one, number two, three, any of
the tactics on the right. If we do anything, we
want to talk, we want to hug it out. We
want to we want to we want to get you
on facts and math and all this. They want emotion
They want you scared. They don't want you they don't
want you aspirational, they don't want you excited. They want

(40:31):
you terrified.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
It's why.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's the only thing they can bring up is Donald Trump,
and the only thing they can say about him is
he's a monster. Because they want you afraid. And if
you're afraid, you'll give up a lot. You'll give up
your liberties, you'll give up common sense things that are
in your best interest and what a democratically elected republic
always assumed the electorate would vote in their best interest. Yes,
the Democrats want your best interest to be Forget the fraud,

(40:56):
the billions of dollars a fraud, and the tax payer
money being stolen. Forget a healthcare system. It doesn't work
unless you keep funneling, you know, shoveling money at it
while they tell you it fails in real time. They
want you afraid of what the consequence if you don't
comply will be well. And I think Shapiro knows that.
And if Spencer Cox doesn't understand that, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
I don't think he does. I do not think he
understands that the Democratic base is not in the mood
of compromise. They simply do not want it. Greg, how
many years what is it, forty fifty years in this
country until the Republicans got control of the House. It
took them a long time with nude gingrich. But did
we try and compromise, And when we compromised, did conservatives

(41:37):
ever come out or get what they really wanted? I
would say no.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You know, And it was funny because when I was,
when I was a public servant, I understood that you
had to find common ground everything matter. If you're in
a committee hearing and you're trying to get your bill out,
you can't be a caucus of one and say it's
my way or the highway. You got to get votes
to get a bill out of committee. You got to
have a majority on the floor. Everything is about math,
and that math is addition. It has to be addition.

(42:02):
So I used to get confused sometimes when they say,
don't compromise, don't give an inch. I say, you know,
if you even look at our our form of government,
you look at a Senate and a House. This was
you know, a population versus equal representation. And that's why
we have this you know, bi cameral legislative body. Well,
so I'd say, you know, you got to kind of
give what I think people mean and what I mean

(42:24):
today about the compromise. Problem is that Democrats believe compromising
is do I get one hundred percent of what I
want or ninety nine percent of what I want? They
have no interest in common ground. They have no interest
in actually finding that common common ground for them is
you waking up, not being so racist, morally failed, or stupid,

(42:44):
and getting on board with what everything they want, what
they want. That's what their compromise looks like. What you give,
not us. And when you hear people Republican leaders, senators
and governors pay lip service to that mentality, it doesn't
help us. I mean, it doesn't get the job done.
And that's why Trump, that's what scares the daylights out
of the Democrats out of Trump, is that he gets

(43:05):
he knows what they're doing. Yeah, and when when the
governor says that the president has no interest in uniting
the country, he has every interest in uniting the company.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
What country.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
What he will tell you, though, is he knows there
are people out there that want nothing to do with him,
and he's not fooling himself to think that they do
he knows they're the out there.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
He wants to unite the country by making the country
number one, correct, putting America first. He knows there are
a lot of people out there, mostly in the Democratic Party,
who could care less. Yep, all right, we want to
get your reaction to our discussion on this eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and say hey, Rod or leave us

(43:44):
a message on our talk back line. Is it worth
even compromising with those on the left anymore? Your calls
and comments coming up next? On a CNN town hall meeting,
basically saying that Donald Trump does not want to unite
the country. And he talked about the talk about political
viole always kind of I think leaning or looking to
the right to control themselves. Well we find out that

(44:06):
it's the left that needs to control themselves. And uh,
and I have said I I just don't think, you know,
people like John Curtis, maybe Spencer Cox for sure don't
understand that the Democratic base not interested in compromise. Yet
they say we need to compromise with the left.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It's frustrating. I just don't see the I just don't
see the Tesla take down equivalent, right, I don't. I
don't see what they're talking about. And I and I
know that every time the Democrats are able to get
away with the violence that they're that they that they display,
and that the fear they fement, and and all we
can ever say is, well, you know, those Republicans they

(44:45):
are a fault too. It gives them permission to keep
doing what they do because no one's noticing. Nobody's drawing
a line to say, you're not actually it's not actually everyone,
it's actually you. So I think that's a strategy. And
I think anyone that wants to spread the blame across
and you know, individuals and parties that don't engage in it,
they're just they're they're playing into the other side's hands.

(45:07):
Let's go to let's go to our let's go to
our listeners waiting on the line.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Which one first?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Let's go to Tom and Gransville.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Hey, let's go to Tom, Tom, welcome to the Ron
and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Hey, thanks for having me. I just wanted to point
something out. You know, it seems like there's confusion about
Spencer Cox, and there was over four thousand delegates in
the Republican Party in Utah last year, they've voted sixty
eight percent for Phil Lyman versus thirty two percent for
Spencer Cox. He almost got booed out of there. And

(45:40):
I think that everybody there understood that he's not a
real Republican or conservative Republican. He's the Rhino and that's
why he acts the way he does. He's more of
a Democrat.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, you know what those are.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's verifiable facts what Tom just described in terms of
the caucus conventions. And you know, we've all I've said
that the caucus convention cycle, you get neighborhoods elect their delegates,
they elect people they know, they come in. They have
the unique opportunity to really ask candidates questions, deeper questions
even statewide that you don't get and usually get just

(46:16):
carpet bombed with mail, TV billboards, TV ads. This is
it's a little more substantive than that. And so, you know,
not doing well in the caucus convention cycle is well,
let's just say this, it certainly doesn't play well to
the base. I'll just I'll just say that, no.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
It does not. All right, back to the phones, let's
talk with Janet who's in Highland tonight listening to the
Rod and Greg Show. Jane, how are you thanks for
joining us?

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (46:42):
Hi there, Hey. I just want to remind everybody that
prior to oron Hatch, the Democrats kept saying, so the Republicans,
you have to work with us. Yeah, and being the
good old boys oron Hatch got you know he started
working with Ted Kennedy on him healthcare and ever since

(47:02):
then we have had years and years of the Democrats
telling the Republicans you have to work with us. So
that is where their mindset is, that that we have
to work with them. But it is time for them
to start working with the Republicans here here.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Amen to that. Janet, You make a very good point.
I mean, why can't they come to the Republican Party
and say, okay, you know they won't admit this, but
in the reality of slapping them in the face, Obamacare
is not working. It is not working, So you know,
why not work with the Republicans can come up with
a plan do either. I think we should just get
ready to start all over again.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Do you know how I know Obamacare doesn't work. The
Democrats wanted to pass a temporary COVID, Yes, billions and
billions of dollars, temporary assistants because people were forced out
of their jobs, were allowed to work, stay at home.
And now they're telling you that all of those emergency
temporary dollars are necessary for the program to exist in

(47:57):
any way.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Another three years.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
As a matter of fact, Well, it's not COVID anymore.
It's not an emergency anymore. People are not stuck here,
sequestered in their homes anymore. But you still need all
that money, Then something's wrong. And when you're in a hole,
you don't just keep digging. Their admission that it's apocalyptic
if you don't keep the emergency funds permanent says that
their program isn't working as designed. It says that it's failing.

(48:19):
It's failing in real time. So if you want to
do something, what we should be doing is talking about
health care and delivery of health care, empowering the patients,
those you know, those savings accounts, health care savings accounts.
There's a way to address it. It's not throwing good
money after a bad cause, as Obamacare has proven to be.
It's a The math doesn't show anything but failure. It

(48:39):
really doesn't.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, and the Education Department's been around for what forty
one years something like that. Now has in the education
improved In this.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Pattery, literacy rates are worse than we've ever counted. Maybe
actually maybe it was in maybe Neanderthals didn't have as
high literacy rate as we have now. But I would
say in modern history, it's got to be the worst.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And I think some people probably take you know, if
Donald Trump wasn't there, it would be you know, the
Republicans would be willing to compromise with the Democrats. But
it's all because of Donald Trump. I don't believe that
in the first.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Now, you know, at all, if I were to go
back one of the things. So nineteen ninety two is
a long time ago, I get it. But for me,
it wasn't all that long ago. In nineteen ninety four,
when Republicans won majority in the House of Representative in Congress,
it was the first time in forty years. So let's
go back to the nineties. If it was ever said

(49:29):
by Democrats Republicans, you better learn how to work with Democrats.
It might be during that forty year time horizon when
the Democrats controlled the House, but when they didn't control
the House. How that narrative kept going that you still
have to work with us, whether were than the minority
or majority, you still have to work with us. That's
where I think Janet pointed out. We've been under this

(49:50):
mindset for quite some time, and it is how the
Democrats see it. Compromise is doing what we say.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Exactly all right, We've got more to say on this,
and we'll get to more of your phone calls. It
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if you're just joining us now driving home tonight. The
governor the other night, on his town hall meeting with

(50:20):
a Pennsylvania governor, Josh Shapiro, who is a CNN town
hall meeting hosted by Dana Bash, said a couple of
interesting things that we've been talking about. One of them
is that he does not believe that Donald Trump wants
to unite the country, which I totally disagree with. Donald
Trump does want to make America better and bigger than

(50:40):
it ever has been. And he believes in that and
he's trying to do whatever he can out there to
do that. And the governor also talked about we've got
to overcome this political violence, We've got to tone everything down. Well,
let me tell you what, Governor, the Democrats, the base
of the Democratic Party does not want to tone anything down.

(51:03):
They want to fight, fight, fight, And this this this
insinuation that both sides, the right and the left, are
responsible for political violence in this country. Weed Or, I do,
and I know Greg does totally disagree with that. It's
all coming from the left.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, and I said this earlier in this hour, but
I think it's bear it's worth there's repeating, and that's this.
When Pennsylvania's a senator, Democrat, Senator John Fetterman defends Erica
Kirk and says, stop attacking this widow.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
She is, she has children. What you're doing is wrong.
When Governor Cox in Utah, given that this horrific assassination
took place here and in this state, and he was
part of the investigation and in the immense manpower and
work to try and find the assailant, he should take
the attacks on Erica Kirk as personally as Senator John

(52:00):
Vetterman from Pennsylvania does, and in that moment when he's
with the governor from Pennsylvania, he should be pointing out
tone and and what has happened to her since in
the months since her husband was assassinated and the and
the horrific commentary about her husband, and that is not
it has no equal I'm sorry you cannot find it.

(52:20):
It is not both sides ism when you talk about
the way that Charlie Kirk he's been treated postmortem, and
what has happened to his wife and what the and
what people say about her, And he should be sticking
up for her in that moment with the and that
CNN deal with the with the Pennsylvania governor as much
as the Pennsylvania senator sticks up for Erica Kirk.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
And I didn't hear it.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, near did I. I mean he should have looked
right at Dana Bash and said, you know what needs
to stop right now, the bashing of Erica Kirk. That's
a that's a classic example of this political violence that
you were talking about. But nobody is defending her. Her
husband was killed in my state. We have on everything
we can to investigate this and bring this to a conclusion,

(53:03):
you know, and to bring justice to the man who's
accused of doing so. So stop it. Leave that poor
young family alone. That's right, those on the left won't.
I mean, you had this woman who they're now classifying
as the Democratic response to Joe Rogan. She is despicable. Yeah,
with what the things she has to say.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
She's so performative, she's trying to be She's purposely trying
to be controversial. Joe Rogan actually is inquisitive, he's actually
asking hard questions, having tough conversations. She's trying to be
She's just a showboat. She doesn't mean it. She's trying
to be. She's trying to incite emotion, violent emotion. Really,
and look, if you want someone wants to say, well,
you know, there's conservatives that have gone after you know,

(53:43):
the saying that Charlie Kirk's assassination was a conspiracy. It
is not part of the of the normal Americans.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Lexicon.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
What you're talking about with those with those right wings,
I'm talking that that the left, broadly the regime media,
have attacked Charlie Kirk. They continue to do it. They
attack his wife, and it is not the same. There
is no equivalent on the right. I don't care who
they find or what they find. I keep hearing about
all these sort of Republican sources I'd never met, never saw,
I never heard it, and it's as if they're.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
As common as the day is long. They're not. There
is no equivalent.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
We're going to lead off this six o'clock hour with
the discussion about what Australia is doing in the Banning
Team social Media that's coming up next. Australia will enforce
a total ban on social media for everyone under the
age of sixteen starting next week. Let's dig into this.
Joining us on our newsmaker line is Ian Haworth. Ian
is an author political commentator. Ian, you've dug into this,

(54:41):
what do you make of it?

Speaker 11 (54:42):
Yeah, Well, as a British person, it's always fun to
get a chance to have a little bit of a
popp at the Australians. So that was my that was
my main motivation in calling them out. But in all seriousness,
the big concern here is like Australia has become kind
of a beacon in a lot of ways of like
the Western world taking a very anti Western authoritarian bent.

(55:03):
We saw it during COVID, We've seen it during their
kind of rallying against free speech. We've seen it with
migration issues, and now we're seeing it with the issue
of social media, where they've just announced the enforcement of
a new legislation that essentially bans social media for anyone
under sixteen, with pretty large financial fines for any of

(55:24):
the ten big tech companies that don't comply. It looks
like they're all going to comply. I think for me,
the concern kind of goes beyond the arguments behind whether
or not social media is good or not. It's obviously
bad for young people. I don't think that's really the debate.
The point of the article that I was trying to
make is that is this actually solving a problem of

(55:45):
a society that is better equipped to deal with the
world in which social media exists, whether you.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Like it or not.

Speaker 11 (55:51):
And I really don't think banning children from accessing social media,
from learning how to engage with it, with learning the
tools to navigate the lies, the manipulation and things like that.
I think just banning it kind of kicks the can
down the road until they're adults, and then suddenly they
just can use all these platforms and they have no
idea what to do or how.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
To do it. Kind of the attitude I have.

Speaker 11 (56:12):
To some extent, it's a little different, but my attitude
is similar to the drinking age of being twenty one
in the US, where it's you know, eighteen and younger
in other countries. It's like you're not delaying drinking. What
you're doing is you're making sure that people are drinking
when they're not at home. They're not in a safe environment,
and things tend to go wrong. So I kind of
have the same attitude when it comes to social media.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
You know, I'm I think the argument you just made
is solid, but I expected you to say that that
the compliance that is required is a fantasy, that enforcing
this law would be virtually impossible. You mentioned that the
large companies and social media platforms are going to comply,
But how do you have to do how do you

(56:51):
even begin to do this?

Speaker 7 (56:54):
Well, I think there's two different routes, right.

Speaker 11 (56:56):
There's one where everyone acts in good faith and it
doesn't really happen because the government doesn't crack down and
they kind.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
Of look the other way.

Speaker 11 (57:03):
Similar to what happened in Australia when they banned a
ton of guns. There are a lot of people in
more rural areas that just kind of said no, no,
thank you and kept their guns and the government couldn't
do much about it. But I think a lot of
this is kind of indicative of the COVID era authoritarianism,
where this law will now be used as a justification
for more of a police state online. It will be

(57:23):
a justification for the government to have an eye on
your personal device, is to have an eye on your
Internet usage, things like that, And so I think obviously
people will get around it if they want too. You
can use virtual networks and things like that. You can
fake your age, you can get all kinds of different
ways around it. But I think often that again misses
the point in that the powers that will be taken

(57:45):
by the government in order to justify and try and
enforce this, those powers don't go away. Those powers don't
get diluted over time, they only increase. And Australia has
a short but very dangerous history of authoritarianism that I
think is just continuing right now.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, I would agree with you on that one ian Ian.
If governments want to do something. What do you recommend
they do in trying to deal with the influence of
social media on our children today, what do you recommend
they should be looking at?

Speaker 11 (58:12):
Well, I think one thing is going to be banning
social media platforms from being available that have deep links
to countries that are in our enemies. So for example,
I'm talking about TikTok in this case, the fact that
Congress voted to ban TikTok and the executive branch has
just ignored it and open their own TikTok account, I
think is a huge problem. And so for me, that's

(58:34):
one part is that a lot of the dangers we
see ideologically are coming from TikTok and massive levels of
Chinese propaganda coming our way. But then if we're going
to look at the more domestic issue of things like
the impact of Instagram on teenagers and specifically teenage girls
and their mental health and things like that, I think
that speaks to just a broader problem of the Internet

(58:55):
in our lives and the fact that as a society,
I feel like we are always behind the technology that
is hitting us, and it takes a generation or two
to really learn how to navigate that. And I think
a lot of this has to be solved by trying
to understand how this stuff works.

Speaker 7 (59:09):
I think it will take research.

Speaker 11 (59:11):
I think it will take good faith, non political research
into understanding how this stuff actually affects children, and then
trying to quip children with tools so that it doesn't
impact them in the way it clearly is. It's like
the idea that we can get rid of bullying. No,
we will never get rid of bullying, but we can
try and enable children to actually not be impacted by it,
to have self esteem, to have a level of not

(59:32):
caring what bullies think and say, and so I think
we can kind of have the same attitude there. But
first we need to understand the problem, and I think
we simply don't because in the grand scheme of things,
you know, we're at the forefront of this wild west
of the Internet still, and no one has a good
answer except for just banning things and finding companies and
trying to make money.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
What about just good old fashioned accountability. There's some congress
passed the law long time ago that said, look, these
social media platforms, our platforms are not publishers, and so
we're be like to a criminal using the phone to
coordinate a crime. We're not going to charge the phone company.
But now that we know that algorithms exist, now that
we know that they can tailor messages to the receiver,

(01:00:10):
that they do have some grasp around what content is shared,
are there is there some, at least in the United States.
Some Actually the United States should take where we pull
back some of these exemptions that we've allowed for social
media platforms and have them be accountable for what they
let out and let people see, be it a minor
or an adult.

Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
Yeah. I think I've been an advocate for quite a
few years.

Speaker 11 (01:00:33):
I used to work in big tech, actually worked Facebook
for quite a few years, and so this has been
something I've been speaking about for a while, of trying
to tweak what we know is Section two thirty, which
is the rule that a lot of these companies use,
as you say, to kind of masquerade as platforms when
in many ways they're publishers.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
I think the problem there is.

Speaker 11 (01:00:50):
It's kind of a nuance blurry line that's really hard
to define of what content should be free from responsibility
for the platform and what should and I think, as
you say, the issue is when they put their fulmb
on the scale The problem there is it's really hard
to know when a company has actually put their thumb
on a scale because these algorithms are massively complicated. I'm

(01:01:10):
talking about billions of lines of code that very few
people could understand alone. If you just got that blog
down on your desk trying to read through, it be
impossible to understand.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
And so I think for me, a lot of it
has to.

Speaker 11 (01:01:21):
Come through an encouragement of transparency so that we actually
understand how these algorithms work, why they are feeding us
what they are feeding, and where this content comes from.

Speaker 7 (01:01:31):
I mean, for example, in the world.

Speaker 11 (01:01:33):
Of paid content, where advertisers are paying for you to
see things, or influencers are saying things because someone in
another country is paying them to I think we need
a level of transparency so that at least we can
have some level of critical reasoning on what we're seeing
and why we're seeing it. I think the problem is
is that when we start suing software companies for this

(01:01:55):
kind of stuff, the result of that is just the
Internet is going to go away in a lot of ways,
and the free speech impacts there. Yeah, it's great because
we've kind of taken big tech down a peg but
the broader sense is that the Internet is a massive
win for Western values, for free speech, for liberty, for individualism,
and so you start suing people for what is on

(01:02:15):
a platform, you lose a lot of that too. So
that's why I'm usually very open to saying we need
to tweak something like section two thirty. But I'm not
one of these people screaming to the skies that we
need to ban it, because the consequences.

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
Of that I think are going to be really bad too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
You know what, Greg, thank you Iam for joining us
on our newsmaker line. I think tweaking the current rules
on the Internet would help, but we can't do away
with the two thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Now, well, I well, I think that, well we could
tweak it. Yeah, I think the immunity, when their algorithms
are so powerful and they have such a better handle
on what's being shown, I think there should be some
culpability on their side.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
But how about kitty porn? Can we start there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I mean, can we just like, can they just be
responsible and liable if they let any kid? Can we
all say that's universally something that should never be You
should be shielded from liability from Can we take that
one and take that one and say, okay, you're legally
liable athactic shows.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Up on any of your platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Boom, Come on, there's a bunch of I can think
of a bunch that should be universally a no deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, all right, We've got more coming up here on
the Thursday edition of The Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can arrest I'm citizen
Greg Hughes and I'm roder or can't you know the
affordability issue? You know, the President, his team, they're doing
all they can to convince the American people it's not
as as bad.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
They they were handed the worst economy ever thanks to
Joe Biden, and it's going to take a while to
dig out of it. And progress is being made. Gas
prices are coming down, egg price are coming down. But
when you come to issues like health insurance not coming
down at all, and that's why they're trying to deal
with it. But one, you know, in blue states, it

(01:03:56):
costs more to live. I mean, let's be honest. City
rates are crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yes they are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yes, there's been new a recent study that actually takes
what we suspected to be the case, and that is irresponsible.
Blue states don't know what they're doing, so of course
it would be more expensive. Well, it turns out that
the study bears that out, proves it is the case.
It is the energy costs are more expensive in blue states,
with California leading the way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Well, let's find out why. Joining us on our Newsmaker
line now is Isaac Gore, co founder, vice president of research,
always on energy research. Let's check it out, Isaac, what's
going on in these blue states?

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:04:32):
Absolutely so. What we found is that Blue states generally
have much higher electricity prices than red states, and that's
because Blue states find new and creative ways to charge
their citizens more for the same commodity that is sold
to people in Red states at a much lower price. So,
you know, if we're going to talk about, you know,
public enemy number one when it comes to affordability, just

(01:04:55):
look at California. They charge twice as much as the
national average. And that's because they add a whole bunch
of policies to the electricity prices, Like they tax people
for the CO two emissions that it's omitted when they
generate power, They have all of these renewable energy mandates.
They don't have proper forest management, so when they do

(01:05:16):
have a fire, it causes a lot of damage that
results in a lot of liability payments. So you name
a bad policy in terms of energy that's going to
make things more expensive and less reliable. California has done it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
So let me ask you this this mismanagement, what environment
they hang their hat on. All of this is to
be good stewards of the environment, but it sounds like,
as you've just described the lack of management of forest
and wild wildlands, what's the environmental impact of the mismanagement
of your energy policy.

Speaker 12 (01:05:48):
Well, I mean, everything becomes a tinderbox. You have to
have active forest management. You have to let the logging
industry go in and reduce the fuel load. That's you
know that, it's basically basic forestry science. And California's been
unable to do that because, you know, their courts have
stopped a lot of logging. I mean, logging has basically

(01:06:09):
been illegal in the state since nineteen ninety as far
as I'm concerned. So there's been a lot of problems
in California that have just you know, made it unworkable
in a whole bunch of different aspects. You see that
with the high speed rail that they were supposed to
have built. It's just California as governance is a mess,
and it's reflected in almost every facet of what it

(01:06:29):
tries to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Izick. Has anybody in California who at one time was
behind all of this but are now starting to realize, uh, folks,
this isn't working. Has anyone said anything like that or
we need to re examine our plan? Are they till that?

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
Oddly yet?

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
Oddly enough, I saw this clip on I forget what
it was, but it was THEO Vaughan talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And Arnold was the governor when they signed the Global
Warming Solutions Act in two thousand, or the Executive order
rather he was. He was at the forefront of signing
executive orders to mandate renewable energy and do a lot

(01:07:07):
of kind of the you know, anti growth policies that
the left has come to embrace. And Arnold was talking
about the fact that we've California has grown its population
since you know, the seventies, but they haven't added more
lanes to the roads, and they haven't added enough housing.
And you could argue they haven't added enough reliable power

(01:07:28):
plants to keep the lights on. They had that blackout
in twenty twenty, so.

Speaker 9 (01:07:34):
You know, it.

Speaker 12 (01:07:35):
Seems like arnold might be coming around. But that's a
little too little, too late.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
So it's interesting California being the case study of what
not to do. They have refineries there that the third
the state with the third most refined oil refineries in America,
but they've let those refineries wear down, breakdown, They've shut
down refineries, so now they find themselves in a deficit way.
And they also don't want coal fired power plants. They

(01:08:02):
used to buy a lot of coal fired power from Utah.
They didn't want that any longer. So they're shutting down
energy generation. They're shutting down the ability to refine fuel
which they extract or have extracted in California. The renewables
don't replace that. So what is California as a state
doing with its population as its energy resources continue to shrink.

Speaker 12 (01:08:24):
Well, I guess they're driving people out in order to
reduce demand for energy. If we want to be chippy
about it, we want to be a little little saucy,
But I mean they're importing power gasoline from India right now.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
That was made with Russian crude.

Speaker 12 (01:08:40):
I mean, those are the types of lengths that California
has had to resort to because they've made their state
so hostile to the reliable, affordable energy sources that power
our daily lives. And you know, ultimately I feel bad
for the people in Arizona that are reliant upon those
refineries in California, because the people in Arizona didn't do

(01:09:00):
anything wrong. I guess they just depended on California for
their their source of fuel, and I guess, you know,
maybe they should reconsider that. But California, I like to
joke that the problem with California's energy policy is you
eventually run out of somebody else's electricity. And when California

(01:09:21):
decided that they weren't going to keep investing in the
coal plants in Arizona or Utah, they started a you know,
a trend of those plants shutting down that is now,
you know, regrettable. Considering all the demand that we're going
to have online for data centers, I do think that
there is going to be a significant growth in the

(01:09:41):
power consumption moving forward. Would have been really nice to
have those coal plants online instead of prematurely shutting them
down to meet environmental Uh well, I guess unreasonable environmental
regulations on CO two emissions. So you know, California would
the best thing to do is try just not to
let it drag the US of the West down with it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, Isaac, how you know there's a discussion right now.
This could be one of the issues in the upcoming
mid year elections. Midterm elections, of course, is affordability. Do
people understand when they talk about affordability it could be
because of higher healthcare rates or higher electricity rates. And
one of the reasons those rates are higher is because
the blue the mandates that they have in some of

(01:10:22):
these these these blue states. Do people realize that, do
you think, Isaac?

Speaker 12 (01:10:29):
Probably not, you know, honestly, I think no. I mean,
I don't blame them, right, I think that you know,
when egg prices were high, everyone was upset about that.
They were mad at President Biden for that. But President
Biden didn't release the bird flu that hit the poultry
flock in this country. So when prices are high, people
are upset, and I think they have a right to be.

(01:10:52):
But you know, electricity is unique in that the price
of electricity is heavily regulated by the state and influenced
by the policies that they pass. And that's why we
saw such a huge distinction between the Blue states that
you know, deny pipelines or new natural gas pipelines that
mandate all kinds of unreliable energy sources on their grid,

(01:11:15):
and the ones that are pro pipeline, the ones that
are pro coal, natural gas, nuclear, and you know, they'll
add wind and solar if it's subsidized and the prices
are low, but as soon as the numbers don't add up,
they're not mandating extra wind and solar on their grids
in order to reduce the emissions of it. They're actually
looking at it from a dollars and cents perspective and

(01:11:37):
trying to make the best decisions they can. So, you know,
there's it's just the ideology of reducing emissions at any
cost has come at a cost for Blue states.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I think he is right. Isaac is right. California is
running out of somebody else's electricity.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
That's one hundred percent, and it's actually contributing to the
high cost of gas. Higher cost of gas here in
Utah compared to nationally too, is what what's going wrong
in California. It has a ripple effect in the Western States.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Well, there's a lot going wrong in California. But I'll say, yeah,
all right, we've got morning Come, final half hour, The
Rodden Greg Show with you on this Thursday, and Utah
US Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrests.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah, we would not have been able to have guests,
we wouldn't have been able to take calls. Pretty much
a show killer. But you know I did a lot
to save the day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yes you did. You got right here, solve the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I did nothing, and I had a lot of commentary
to provide for everybody else who is trying to get
this thing done.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Just says, gave a lot of advice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
All right, this time we always have the War on Christmas,
stories about the war on Christmas, people trying to stop Christmas,
debates over lights.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Our producer, you know, he hate you know he's trying
to stop Christmas. No, he's not actively actively he's trying
to stop you. He actually tried to tell us that
wasn't happening this year. He did No, he did, he did,
he said no Christmas songs nothing, he did, No, it
doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
He didn't say that okay, But there is a story
in Massachusetts where I tell you what where this pastor
of this Catholic church in Massachusetts, Yes, tried to compare
the Holy Family to illegal immigrants.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Nativity scene.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, Nativity seem sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
There is no connection whatsoever, that the stories do not
match up in any way, shape or form. Ice and
so the pictures, folks, was you know the mang, your
little house, you know, a little empty may it's empty?

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
It says Ice was here?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah? Come on, yeah, really well, let's dig into the story.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is ma
see Jefferson, Senior editor of The Federalist. Basically, thanks for
joining us. Give us some background on this story and
what exactly happened here.

Speaker 13 (01:13:49):
Last week, a Catholic church in Dedham, Massachusetts, which is
a subbury of outside of Boston, made headlines for its
Nativity display, which featured an empty manger in the center.
Mary and Joseph were also missing from the scene, and
their place was In their place was a big sign
that read Ice was here, and underneath was another smaller

(01:14:12):
sign saying, quote unquote, the Holy Family is safe inside
the sanctuary of our church. And then it listed contact
info for a group that monitors ICE activity in the area.
So the assumption, of course is that baby Jesus and
Mary and Joseph were either detained or are in hiding
from federal immigration enforcement agents. So obviously the goal of

(01:14:36):
the displays the fearmonger and make the statement that in
a moderating context, the Holy Family would be considered migrants,
perhaps the family of refugees crossing the border only to
be a nabbed by Trump amid his illegal immigration crackdown,
and the implication is that Christians should just automatically oppose

(01:14:57):
anything ICE does.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
So I may maybe I've just maybe I've just not
been a very good Christian and read the Bible very well,
because I just don't remember them being on the lamb
run in from the law the whole story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
I think I thought they were.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
There's taxes to be paid and people to count, but
maybe share with our listeners what would be the actual
account of the little town of Bethlehem.

Speaker 13 (01:15:24):
Absolutely, so that was the larger reason that I wrote
this piece is because it's not the first time that
we've seen a church sort of hijack the story of
Christ's birth to politically manipulate Christians and essentially justify unvetted,
massive legal immigration and demonised law enforcement. But first of all,
Mary and Joseph went to Bethlehem, like you said, not

(01:15:47):
because they were trying to break the law or evade it,
but in fact in accordance with the law to be
counted as part of a census that was decreed by
Caesar Augustus, and Jesus was born in a stable, of course,
not because the Holy Family was homeless or displaced, but because,
as scripture tells us, there was no room for them
in the Inn where they were staying on their census trip.

(01:16:10):
And now many might point to the fact that the
Holy Family later fled from Bethlehem to Egypt to protect
Jesus from a murderous maniac king who is seeking to
basically kill Jesus. But even invoking that event doesn't justify
the Nativity display, because both Bethlehem and Egypt were actually

(01:16:36):
under Roman control in the first century. So it's just
totally misleading to suggest that Mary and Joseph were modern
day asylum seekers or something of the like, fleeing from
one country to another.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Maijie what the pastor behind this? I mean what has
he saying, and how is he defending this, And how
about the community itself, how are they reacting to it?

Speaker 13 (01:16:57):
Yeah, for sure, well for the past part. He actually
came out last night and essentially defended the display. On Friday,
the Archdiocese of Boston basically said this display is politicized.
It needs to come down. And last night's father Joseima,

(01:17:18):
who's the pastor of this church in Dedim, he came
out and said, yeah, we're actually going to keep it
up for now until we have a chance to quote
unquote dialogue with the archbishop. And he defended it basically saying, oh,

(01:17:39):
it's in line with Catholic thought, it's in line with
the stance of the church on being kind of against
Trump's immigration efforts. But nonetheless, he's still defying the orders
of his authority.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
And how are people in the area reacting. How are
his parishioners reacting to this?

Speaker 13 (01:18:00):
From my understanding, I've a lot of the parishioners are
standing behind him and supporting him. In fact, it seems
as though the display was an effort on behalf of
the church's Peace and Justice group, But it seems like
there are more people behind this display than just the pastor.

(01:18:24):
Of course, there have been people in the community who
have opposed it, which is how this controversy has sort
of sparked.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
So my mind's going, this is, you know, what other
biblical stories are we going to just twist around and
make it a story with I guess maybe the flood
Noah this is all the environmental problem. Maybe Noah was
just a you know, maybe there was a carbon footprint
that just got too big and we had a flood.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Maybe that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I mean, well, how many biblical stories can we twist
into political narrative leftist political narratives? I mean, why does
Christmas become the sole target for all this?

Speaker 13 (01:19:00):
Well that's the interesting thing about this church actually is
they every for the past few years. In my research,
I found that they have put up multiple, like year
after year, multiple Nativity scenes that have a political message.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
I think there was one for.

Speaker 13 (01:19:19):
You know, concerned about gun control, one concerned about climate change,
where there was there seemed to be some flooding in
the Nativity scene. Last in twenty eighteen, they made a
similar refugee statement, putting Jesus in a cage, basically saying
this is what's happening to immigrants at the border. And

(01:19:40):
so there's definitely no shortage of this church specifically wanting
to hijack the biblical narrative. But I'm sure it doesn't
just stop with Christ's birth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Maje. Jefferson from the Federalist. By the way, Maje. She
may not have heard this. This came across just a
short time ago. The diocese appealed to the pastor to
put the Nativity seed back right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yeah, he said, no, Well, I'm waiting for him to
declare that Goliath turns out to be the victim. David
was very insensitive. David did not have the Goliath wealth
well being in mind. Yes, and then and so Goliath
is now the victim and David is the villain according

(01:20:22):
to that pastor. I'm sure he's probably just as outraged.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
And Noah's ark was all about climate change.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Yeah, that was that's a carbon footprint gone too big,
and I have the whole world flooded. Way to go, everybody.
It just polluted the earth and now we got a flood.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
All right, more coming up. Final thoughts here on The
Rodden Gregg Show and Talk Radio one O five DYE
kN r s.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
This mixshift is coming. It's time to get super sure.
Not kind of sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Not with the a the discovery of a critical mineral's
mind up there? I believe it's up near Sheridan, and
they say it's one of the largest. Well, there was
a story today in the Wall Street Journal greg about
a trove of it critical minerals has been uncovered in
the Utah desert.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
That's right, a record made national news.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Made national news. As a matter of fact, the company
is called Ionic Mineral Technologies mining the clay in Utah.
When it chanced to pond what could be the critical
mineral equivalent of a gold mine? Nice, wow, we need
probably on land that we don't have access to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Now, if they're there, if they're rummaging around, it's probably
at least state land, I hope. But yeah, if and
if it's federal land, you argue with that Trump administration
A s A.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
P here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
I had this idea, Rod All, you know you've got
these uh you know, you got Pritzker in Illinois, you
got all these blue state governors that want to create
these state laws that tell the federal government tell ice
what they can and can't do. I say, the State
of Utah review every one of these blue state federal
or laws where it directs or tells the federal tells
ICE what they can or can't do, and Utah drafts

(01:21:53):
the exact same bill telling the Bureau of Land Management
what they can and can't do. Use the same language
and just say, look, if it's for you, you want
to say, you want to play that way with Ice,
we want to play that way with the Beer of
Land Management.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Yeah. This company that discovered it says it was fairly
easy for the company to secure the minerals from the earth.
Think of it like a lake bed that dried out
millions of a year ago, years ago. It's very soft
clay and we're mining from the surface. Wow, good rock
and roll going. You know, we just made a deal
with what country? Did we make a deal with? The

(01:22:26):
United States?

Speaker 7 (01:22:26):
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
And Vice President Jady Vance said, it's to diversify so
that you're never overly dependent on any trade with any
certain country. There's no leverage that any country could you know,
put upon the United States because of a dependency on
rare minerals. Well, the more we find domestically that that
improves our prospects even more.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Well, think about that. You've got the big one up
in sheare it in? You may have a large one
here in the state of Utah. Just means jobs, a
lot of revenue. Company does. Sure it does. Well, We'll
take that anytime, won't we.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
This will surprise absolutely no one. Greg surprise in the
fact that it was in the New York Times. Apparently
a study has been done and it found that COVID
lockdowns hurt kids far more than the officials will are
willing to admit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Yes, I think in real time we were warning everyone
that this we were We're.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Saying, leave the kids alone. The kids weren't being affected
by this. It's going to have a negative impact on this.
Randy Weiningardner or whatever they as the teachers buzz here
day said, well, you know, we made some mistakes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Really yeah, yeah, And that was the safest population. If
you had to be around anyone, you had supermarkets open,
amazingly that could happen, but you couldn't open the schools
where the young kids were the safest and most immune
from COVID. And yet they shut it down and took
away any kind of educational progress proficiency away from these kids.
For years and social interaction fourth grade to what seventh grade?

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Really yeah, I mean before things got normal, it's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
It was absolutely wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
It was kind of crazy. All right. Well that does
it for us tonight, as we say each and every night,
had up the shoulders back. Thank God, bless you and
your family. That's a great country of ours. We'll be
back tomorrow, will we Yes? Yes, Friday tomorrow moving Greg
and Friday. It all starts at four. We'll talk to
you about mm hm

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