The Troubleshooter 10-28-24

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I'm waiting for do we have the studio to join us? Mark?
Are you there? We are here? There's no camera? Well,
come on, man, I wanted to see your ugly mind.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
No, I got to use my phone though. You know
that I know and I we'll get that phone up here.
We'll get a long story, long story. What we're trying
to do is work it out so we can go live.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, we can go live from the studio right now
with a photo with the picture, but when we all
want to go and originate for the studio, that's what
we're working on. Anyway, Welcome to the show. And it's
sus that. Did I hear Sue's John on the phones?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Time? Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Okay, Susan is on the phones? Did did Kachina have
too many mimosas? Or what?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Something?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Today's town? All right, So Chris wants to talk about
selling real estate and what is happening Chris, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (02:24):
I have a really unique rush to cabin in Douglas County,
and I'm wondering the best way to advertise her or
find the right fire.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Rustic cabin where is it?

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Twenty minutes from home depot in Castle Rock, and it's
completely secluded. It's got no neighbors. It's round up by
true many rand.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
How many acres?

Speaker 6 (02:54):
It is? Not acres? It is zero point three six
acres and another property ero point four acres. Everybody else
there is forty acres or so.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Oh so that's why. That's why it's secluded. What is
a Douglas County? Where is it?

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Up Highway sixty seven?

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Where the part give us an area Douglas? It sounds
like Douglas.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Okay, it's past magicalch If I tell you the name
of the area its I'll just tell you the name.
It's by Elephant Rock if you ever heard of that?
And the view of Elephant Rock is from my driveway.
Is where you can see Elephant Rock?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Okay, I don't know where that is marked you but
an a a case. I don't have a clue. I'm
just going as Douglas County. I want to know a
few things. Is it off grid?

Speaker 6 (03:54):
It's got completely off grid. It's got no upgradestill it.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
It's off grid. How do you get power? How do
you get power?

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Right?

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Not?

Speaker 6 (04:04):
I have solar, but I'll take it out when I leave,
so I don't have the liability off it. Somebody will
elect your well.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Hold on a second, First of all, there would be
no liability to sol the solar system you're not going
to have are you going to have? Like, let me
get this straight. So you're going to sell this off grid?
No electricity, no running water, nothing correct, No water, no plumbing,
no bathroom.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
Nothing correct. But one of the things I always heard
was by the cheapest property in the nicest neighborhood. I
think that's.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Got that down, pat brother, But let me get but
I still come on, man, we still have to ask
some very obvious questions. There's very few people, very few
people will want a cabin with no running water, no bathroom,
and no power. Okay, Ted Kaczynski comes to mind. No, no, seriously,
very few people are going to want that because and

(05:03):
and what does your does your solar system provide regular electricity?

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Itoks?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Do you own?

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Do you own the solar system? Or are you leasing it?

Speaker 6 (05:18):
It's a piece together.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
It sounds like a homemade deal.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Oh, never mind, that is okay, It probably is better
taking it out of there. Well, okay, on a tiny
lot on a tiny lot off grid? How many square
feet does the cabin four hundred? Yeah, it's it's you
don't have a lot of value there, I mean, but
but I don't know who you would get. Let let's
think about this. I want to should we call called Frank?

(05:47):
Do you think, well, that's totally out of his that's
totally out of it. But he might have ideas well. Chris.

Speaker 8 (05:54):
Already, he says he called Frank. What did Frank have
to say?

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Frank said he all talked off and that it's not
something he does, but he might have a contact.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
I wonder if Stephanie would do Stephanie Ari, isn't she
or Stephanie Thomas, you know Stephanie ri dot com. I
think it's probably too far.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Chris.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
Are you allowed to build a home on this property?

Speaker 4 (06:19):
You mean is it a real building? Is it a
real building lot? That's a good point. Is it a
real building?

Speaker 8 (06:24):
Crape the cabin and build a small hall?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Is it a real building lot?

Speaker 8 (06:27):
Would the county allow you to do that?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Or the buyer to do that?

Speaker 6 (06:33):
It's a house there now to him? They text me
on a residential house.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
So wait a minute, what do you mean you're talking
about the cabin. Yes, No, here's what I'm asking Can
you knock down that cabin and put up a real house?
Would they allow that?

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Well, that's what I'm asking to I would not see
why not?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Yeah, well there.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Where is the closest Where is the closest power Where
is the closest utility? Well, no, you would have to
do a well.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Right, Well, he's surrounded by forty acre home sites.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
I mean, yeah, where's the closest where's the closest power grid?
If you wanted to bring power.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
In, I'm going to say one thousand feet.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Oh okay. Have you ever inquired as to bringing in that?

Speaker 9 (07:21):
No?

Speaker 6 (07:21):
And I would never do it.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
I don't even think so. I don't think on that
size of a lot you can even put a well
and a septic. You don't have that much separation.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
No, okay, I'm pretty sure I can put a well.
When I bought it, it was discussed and if a
property is under forty acres and was subdivided before nineteen
seventy two, it can qualify for a small household.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well yeah, but where are you going to put the septic?

Speaker 6 (07:51):
Now that the septic? I'm not sure, and I always
thought i'd put an inCider writing toilet in Right now
for septic, we've got poortofoc comes out empties to thing.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Well, okay, then what about what about showers and stuff?
How much did you what about gray water? Where would
you put gray water?

Speaker 6 (08:12):
And a sister? I don't have the answer to these questions.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
No, No, that's why I'm asking. I'm asking to see
if you do or didn't. I mean, that's what I'm doing,
that's all. And how much did you pay for it?

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I bought it from a hermit and it was never
on the market, so I still got a good deal
on it.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
God, you are so elusive. How much did you pay
for it? Is that an answer?

Speaker 6 (08:39):
I paid for both for both properties, I paid thirty
five dollars twenty one years ago.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
You're not going to get much more, I mean truly.
I mean, you really don't have a lot there. But
that doesn't mean it's worthless. For goodness sakes, that doesn't.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
That's why I'm calling to try and find the right buyer.
I know my buyer is real limited, but it's got
a whole lot of positives.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Give me some positives, because you're puzzling me, give me
a positive.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
So I'm just it's one hundred and fifty year old cabin.
It was a stage stop. It's got hands huing beams
in it. Yeah, I'm waiting.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Waiting for the positive. Okay, what's that.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
It's at some place you can live. If somebody is
in their RV, they can go park their RV in
the driveway and live in the cabin and use all
the facilities and there's they can build a new home
on there. We've used it and enjoyed it for twenty
one years, sweating. It's got a stream originating on the property.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
Okay, Chris, is their phone and internet service in your home?

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Any communications service?

Speaker 6 (09:55):
My key mobile cell phone works fine, and the star
Wink I imagine works fine.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Oh okay, if you have electricity again, this is a challenge.
It's not worthless, that's for sure. How much are you
mentally thinking you're going to get out of this? People
always have an idea, and if you say you don't,
you do how much?

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Joe, I'm thinking it's worth at waste two hundred thousand.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
You're dreaming in fairyland. You're in fairyland and I could
bake Oh my god. Well, first of all, a building
lot up there wouldn't be worth that. You have a tiny,
tiny postage stamp of a lot and you have a
four hundred foot What is the cabin made of? Logs?

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Logs?

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Okay? Is it a real log cabin? I mean, was
it built well or what?

Speaker 6 (10:46):
It was a real log cabin? And half of what
was an edition put on?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'm going to tell you that if you got two
hundred thousand dollars, I would be as shocked as if
Kamala Harris wins in a landslide victory. That's how shocked
I would be. Now, No, seriously, a mark, Come on, man,
we know enough, We know enough about property. What's thee okay?
How about something real simple? What's the address?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Man?

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Can I at least try to look at it on
a satellite or something.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
I give you the air dress. I don't want somebody
random driving.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't blame you for giving to us off the air, Chris,
give it to us off the air. Hold on, We're
gonna take a break. Give it to us off the air.
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A two five five. Stephanie Thomas, who's one of our

(12:26):
real estate experts, and she and she's in the Pike
Speak area, Springs area and uh you can reach her
at Stephanie ari dot com. So, Stephanie, are you familiar
with this area where the cabin is.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I haven't had a chance to look the property yet,
but I am familiar with Sedelia.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Is it Sedalia? Basically? Yeah, it's definitely yes. And Mark,
you say, can you send me a picture that you.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
I'll send you the best I can. It's very odd
if you go to the listings, Stephanie. I don't know
how they did this, but you can find the address
on Zillow realtor dot com. But when you go there,
they blanked out the picture of the house on all
of them. But I did find one picture of it.
How do they do that? And why do they do that?
Out of curiosity?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know, sometimes I see photos removed from listings after
they've sold to kind of protect the privacy of the
new homeowner, like the interior finish and that kind of thing.
I do see that quite often.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
I'm listing, and.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
This would be you know, with no water, no electricity
that this would not be something you'd get a traditional
mortgage on.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
This would be a cash.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, you'd looking at cash. I did, actually because I
heard you guys chatting about it. I'm in between appointments
and have you guys on actually, And I reached out
to one of my lenders who's pulled up a couple
loan types and said, no, it would not be financiable
without utilities.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, well unless you did, like a signature loan or
something else. I mean, it's not going to have a mortgage.
I mean people could borrow money to buy it. But
it's nothing traditional in other words, correct.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, and anytime you go in and do something like that,
you're limiting your fire pole further than you would.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Oh, this is this thing needs to.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Be marketed to like people that uh you know, I'm
trying to think of a nice way to put it,
like like the UNI bomber and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, you know, it's not completely abnormal. I've seen stuff
like that up in Teller Counties. It's not abnormal to
see some off gride properties, but it is a rather
small buire pool of people who would be looking for
something like that.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
You know, I'd level it.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I I can't sing on property.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
The property could be worth a ton time. I mean,
I don't know what the property is worth. The house
itself I don't think has any value. I'm going to
send you a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, and it may just be a landlot have Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
The tiny, tiny lot that's off grid, what's that going
to be worth? I mean, come on, well, if.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
You could put up a nice pen, yeah, honestly, if
you could put up a nice tiny house or something.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
That was well, okay, so Stephanie, what is your gut
on a lot that's small?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I didn't catch the size of the law. I turned
on when you guys were already talking about it.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Okay, let's bring them up. Let's bring them up. What
size is your lot, sir?

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Oh to watch ninety by three hundred.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, that's going to be pretty tiny.

Speaker 10 (15:15):
So just patting.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I know a builder, for instance, up here that does
you know, manufactured some of those small modular homes being.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
One hundred and eighty by six hundred is what we're talking.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, and they typically want half an acre in order
to install septic and well, because you have certain distances,
I know.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
And that's exactly that's exactly the point I'm making. Yeah,
And so he's saying, well, put an incinerator, toilet in
and all this. I mean, you know, let's just be honest.
He thought he's going to get two hundred grand. I
think that's that's that's Disneyland.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Billo shows it at a Bucks seventy five. Oh, come on,
God almighty.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
If anyone okay, here's what I want to know, be
aware of anyone will that'll pay that much money. Beware
of them because they they they're morons. No, I'm sorry,
YouTube morons. I didn't mean to assault you.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
But well, you know, land has different value different areas,
and like I said, i'd have to really look at
the exact area. I've seen some properties out in Sedalia
get quite high. I've also seen properties that aren't as much.
You know, that's not my primary area, but I am
pretty familiar with it. It really just appezs. But it

(16:25):
sounds like there's a lot of unique things going on
with this property that.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Hey, caller, does it have water rights or mineral rights
or anything abnormal?

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Oh no, I'm sorry to say that.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
So if you have.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Water rights, you probably got a deed for that with
your purchase, and a lot of times I in my experience,
I've seen them conveyed via separate deed, so like a
special warranty deed for the water rights specifically, so you
would have potentially a second deed for that. But you
might want to look back at your paperwork from when

(17:02):
you purchase to see.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
What you have.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You can pull an ownership and encumbrance report on title
and see if anything comes up.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
But the thing about minerals is not all mineral rights
are going to be shown on title reports.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
So a lot of times if a property does have
something like that, you might need an attorney to go
in and research it. So water rights and mineral rights,
you know, they're not as typical with like our typical
real estate contract.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Of course, of course, so in any case, the bottom
line is, you know, maybe it's worth something. I mean, Mark,
would you pay one hundred and seventy five for that?
I know nothing about it. I mean my gut says
no way. Jose. Well, as Amitri, you're in the market
for a property in Douglas County and that you want

(17:47):
something remote, just something to get away. Does that What
does that sound like to you?

Speaker 8 (17:52):
It sounds promising. I'm going to after the show to
word price sounds promising to know. The price doesn't the
property itself does. The price could be worked out later.
But if Chris is okay with it, I'll give him
a call at Arrench for a viewing tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
While we have Stephanie on Stephanie, how do you take
a property as unique as this and even come up
with the value. For God's sake, everything around it is
forty acres with electricity and stuff. It's this little tiny
lot with a house. It's one hundred plus years old
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
He said.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
You're not going to find anything like that to compare
it to how do you get comps on it?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, this is where we'd have to call in a
knowledgeable appraiser and probably have a prelisting appraisal because we
definitely research as real estate agents, we research comps, and
if there are no comps, then we can't expand out
into a reasonable area to find comps. That's when you know,
I would personally call an appraiser that I know to
be knowledgeable with mountain properties and have somebody come in,

(18:51):
you know, and do a little jigger deeping and you know,
take a.

Speaker 9 (18:56):
Peek there for us.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I have those prelisting appraisals on properties. You know, if
they're not from the lender and the homeowners doing them,
you can get them at a more reasonable dollar you know,
maybe five six hundred bucks, you know, something like that.
So it's worth it to go in and do that
as your prelisting due diligence when you have no good
information to price it on.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Okay, thank you very much. I mean I appreciate the information.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Steph.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Listen, sir, well would you list it? Would you be
willing to list it? Let's just ask that That's what
he called up about I'd.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Have to take a peek at the area and see
if it's in my area. I do have MLS for
that area, and like I said, it's it's kind of
similar to where I am, so Susan off address. Yeah,
I'd have to really do some begging to see it's
something I.

Speaker 10 (19:43):
Can assist with with.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Okay, well that's something, thank you very much. We appreciate that.
So it could be something three oh three seven one
three talk three oh three seven one three eight two
five five. So we'll we'll check it out. And I
hope you have I hope you have better luck selling

(20:06):
it with somebody than than talking to me. I'm sorry.
I just after years and years of dealing in real estate.
Now I haven't been in it for a while, but god,
I mean, there's got to be some value there or
you get you get pummeled. Shila. eBay Motors, what's going on, Shilah?

Speaker 10 (20:25):
Yeah, I was just trying to find out if.

Speaker 11 (20:29):
They're reputable.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Now, Okay, eb is eBay Motors reputable? Here's what I'm
going to say to you. eBay Motors is as reputable
as any place where they list cars. Autotrader, Dot or yeah,
auto Trader or whatever cars dot com. What I mean
by this, it's not the platform you have to worry about,

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but the people on the platform. And here's the biggest
problem with eBay motors is when they lure you off
the platform for a private deal. But it's under the
guise of eBay motors. In fact, some of them even
make you look like you're paying PayPal or paying somewhere else.

(21:16):
I would say, are you looking to buy or sell?
First of all, bye, let me give you some Let
me give you some great tips. Okay, I want you
to hold on. If you can just hold for a
few minutes, it'll be worth it. I'm Tom Martino. We
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seven one three talk seven one three eight two five five. Okay,
so let's go back to the phones. And I feel
bad giving that guy such bad news about his property.
Let's give her some Sila, some good news, Sheila. Let's
talk eBay Motors. You're looking for a car. What are

(22:49):
you looking for?

Speaker 10 (22:53):
It's for my granddaughter and it's a twenty ten Maxima.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Now why two? Why specifically are you? Oh no, that's
what you're looking at right now, I'm talking about in general.
What are you looking for?

Speaker 10 (23:12):
Oh, just a car for my granddaughter.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
What is your budget?

Speaker 10 (23:19):
My budget was is actually like up to above three
thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
You're not, Oh my god, Okay, let me just say something.
I don't mean to be a killjoy, but no, no,
I'm really serious. I'm really serious. You will not get
a car worth I mean, I'm telling you it's going
to cost you way more than that in repairs and maintenance.
It is an impossibility to get a good running car.

Speaker 10 (23:47):
I've heard you say that before.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
For three I promise you this that for if you
buy a car for five thousand or under, double the
price and then double it again in the next three
to five years, I absolutely be that.

Speaker 10 (24:03):
That is jeebers.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah. How many miles on this particular car?

Speaker 10 (24:10):
Seventy two thousand or something?

Speaker 4 (24:12):
And how much is it? How much is it?

Speaker 10 (24:15):
It's only one thousand?

Speaker 4 (24:17):
No, No, I'm sorry, no, no, no, yeah, it's seventy
two thousand. I'll wait a minute. eBay Motors has a
car on there with seventy two thousand miles. What year
is it? A twenty ten?

Speaker 10 (24:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
And they want one thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (24:34):
And what raised my suspicion even more It said to
pay with an Apple IF card.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah. Okay, okay, Oh, thank you for calling. No, I'm
so serious, Thank you so much. You didn't lose your money. Listen, No, no,
I didn't. I'm going to let's talk cold hard facts
of life. You're not going to find a car for
her for three grand Let me ask you this does
how old is she?

Speaker 10 (25:02):
She's seventeen.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Does she have a job.

Speaker 10 (25:07):
Yeah, she has a job and she goes. She's a
senior in high school.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
And this is your your niece. I'm sorry, your granddaughter. Okay, listen,
the best you could do is put that money down
on a car, on a new car, or a nearly
new car, or a really good car to credit and

(25:32):
have a car payment. Sheila, do you have any disposable
income every month? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (25:41):
And I mean I could, I could pay cash for
a car. Actually, Okay, but I'm.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Going to tell you please don't buy a piece of junk.
You know who would really take care of you. I
swear he would. I mean, it's such a shortcut just
to call Rodney over at JFR Cars. Tell him you're
buying a car for your granddaughter. You need to save
as much as possible, but you want something dependable and
let him try to pick something for you. Okay, Rodney,

(26:09):
JFR Cars, Sho's you got that number handy for her?
You can give her off there.

Speaker 9 (26:13):
He got it?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I really because that thousand dollars with a gift card.
I guarantee you it's a ripoff.

Speaker 10 (26:22):
Absolutely no, I got suspicious.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Thank you. You know, I'm serious. Have you listened to
the show before?

Speaker 10 (26:31):
Oh yeah, all the time.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Thank you so much because you know what that means
to me. That means that we've just saved you one
thousand I know we did or more in problems and man, okay,
thank you. I'm actually grateful that you fought to call
us before, because Mark, we usually get these calls when

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(28:20):
I have now so when Mark talks, I can bring
his fat face up on screen, even if he doesn't
have a camera there he is right there. Take a
look at that. YouTubers, that's great. So you just put
up a picture of me? Yeah I did. I haven't
seen it, but anyway, yeah, well I put up I
put up your picture with a text your name. But
what was funny is the back monitor says getting the

(28:43):
bad guys, and right at the moment I put it up,
it says getting the mark because.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
It blocked the thing in a red light. Anyways, what
what did you? You didn't watch the rally last night?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Man?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
You were born in New York like I was, weren't you? Well?
I think I was out doing stuff all night. I
didn't have a chance, but I heard it was outrageously.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Twenty thousand plus inside full capacity Madison Square Garden on
top of that regular Billy Joel and anywhere between twenty
and fifty thousand outside. It was remarkable. Man, New Yorkers
walking around like a one hundred thousand of them with red hats.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
It's incredible. It's absolutely Let me ask you something. I'm
serious now, and I'm serious. I'm asking truly. Do you
feel this is a barometer when you see rallies or
do you think it's just the diehards? And like, like,
I don't know, I haven't been aware. Is Kamala Harris's rallies?

(29:43):
Does she get a lot of people? I know she
did with Beyonce, but I don't say didn't even sing
no no, but that's because of Beyonce. How are her
regular rallies? Are they attended boring as hell? But are
they attended by as many people? I'm just here a
bunch of butter knives but is it the same number
of people, do you know? I don't know. No, not
even close.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Man.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
I mean I've never heard of anybody bringing in numbers
like he did here in Denver.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Let's just talk about black rock concert. It was. It
was awesome the one we went to.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
But you know that was that I think what you saw,
well you didn't see it, but last night was that
that that last knockout, that that last blow to the head,
that basically just put the nail in her coffin. I mean,
it's remarkable. What was time to be in this country?
It was that many people turning out in Manhattan? Yeah, yeah, Manhattan.

(30:36):
Man In fact, did you see the Mayor Adams came
out and actually said that Kamala and all this trash
talk about him being hitler and stuff was horrible and
it's simply not true. That's Mayor Adams. Wow, well, mayor
of New York City actually came out. I said a
lot of trouble himself. I mean he's probably, of course,

(30:58):
you know why, because he spoke out about all the
illegals come into a city. And when you spoke out,
the Justice Department started to eyeball them because this Biden
administration is the crookedest thing.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
That has ever happened to this country. People get out
and vote three all three seven one three talks seven
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So give us a call if you have a problem,
question or complain. Let me go back to the phones
and uh or I also have, of course people texting me,

(31:32):
so let me go to that right here, right now,
a lot of people texting. Okay, it says here, please
please ask Mark how Obama ruined healthcare? Okay, this is
just a text as they heard it, it was like
this man, I was paying a lot less and had

(31:54):
a lot better coverage than Obamacare came along, and.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
I paid a lot more with worse coverage and had
to pay new doctors. Now, I mean, it's pretty strang Whenever.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
People talk about the positives of Obamacare, and you hear
this a lot on the mainstream news, or when people
when people try to change it, here's what they say.
They say, millions of people will lose access to quality
medical care if you take away Obamacare or if you
change it.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Now.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
It did expand the one good thing it did, and
I do think it wasn't bad our people in low
income were able to get Medicaid more readily than they
used to be able to, and it was based on
income only. I don't but everything else when you had
if you didn't get tax credits, and of course tax

(32:41):
credits come from all of us, but if you didn't
get tax credits, the high deductible plans were basically non
insurance anyway. I mean, if you think about.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
It, that's, you know what, I'd somewhat argue that. I
think for a twenty year old somebody in good health
that wants to basically either save his money or be
able to buy his first house, now that he's forced
to buy coverage that covers everything in the freaking world,
including if you're a male, so you think to hide
you have to be able to get an abortion. I mean,

(33:11):
it's the craziest thing that Ever, what.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Are you disagree with? I said that the high deductible
plans are really non insurance anyway for these people, because
it's as tough for them to come up with six
or eight grand as it is a million dollars for
some of them.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Oh, I thought you were talking about how Obamacare got
rid of plans that were just catastrophic because you couldn't
get just hospital coverage.

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Speaker 4 (34:28):
Hi, Tom Martino here, Welcome to the show. Three oh
three seven one three talk seven one three eight two
five five Here to help you solve problems, answer questions
taking place, make your life just a little easier. And
you know what's funny is I have a guy that
always uh texts me when he hears major March major,

(34:52):
and and he my text run about one to ten,
ten in favor of well. Mark talks about ten U saying,
excuse me, ten in favor and one every now and
then against. Is this guy which which side of the
coin is he on? Uh? Well, opposite you? So so

(35:14):
I said ten in favor of you and one against.
All the time, it's not always the same guy, but
it's usually a one in ten ratio. So he says,
I mean, there's a whole bunch of texts he put,
but one was about.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Is uh.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
He says, Mark is going on and on. This was
about this was an earlier text. I'm just gonna prose these.
Mark is going on and on about everybody attacking poor Trump.
Nobody's attacking anybody else. I agree with you. I don't
know what he means by that they are attacking each other. Okay,
Now the other one says it sounds like Mark is
bitter and upset with celebrities lining up to be to

(35:53):
endorse Harris.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Who care?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
What celect? Who the hell are these people? And then
they says sixty minutes never changed. Kalama's answers, that was
the conspiracy theory that was proven false. Well, they're full
of crap. Whoever that is, I'd love you. I don't
know who it is. I just have their their number.
But anyway, I almost want Trump to win to see
what happens. I'm sure the economy will go to s

(36:17):
you know, as you know, and and then see what
happens and what you guys have to say. Okay, by
the way, let's stop talking about Hunter Biden's laptop. That
is not a true story. It did not. Oh no,
it's instant. I'm sorry. He says it has nothing to
do with his dad. Well, it kind of did, because
it said that that was part of it, that contained
the emails about his dad being paid part of the money.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
And then it says here even if that was Donner
Eric's freaking laptop.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Now I know, I you know, if you can't see
the bias and media honesty, were these weird people text man?
Now here's the other one. Meanwhile, Trump literally called Putin,
sent him COVID tests and couldn't get them there. But
we couldn't. We couldn't get him here, but he made
sure his friend Putin had him. You can get that

(37:07):
vaccine everywhere.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Though.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Let's ask all of that, right, let's all of that right,
fake news. So this guy's truly has I mean, he's saying,
you know, that was.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
One guy that was all from one day. That's one guy. Well,
that one guy. I hope you're listening. Your new nickname
is butter Knife because you're not very sharp.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Now here's another one. USPS does not guarantee service for anything.
I think this came from a call last week. Certified
mail and registered mail with insurance attached might help. Then
one guy says, I'm really surprised that you did not

(37:47):
see that I had voted for three Republican candidates. Oh
oh oh. This was a guy that sent me his
ballot and I said it was and what it looked like.
He's he did a straight democrat. I don't know why
he sent it to me. This is another guy now
and he said, I don't know why you didn't see
I voted for three Republican candidates. Was this a cognitive slip?

(38:09):
Are you? Are you truly moderate or are you just
looking to disprove I have no idea what that guy's
talking about. Then one guy sent an image of something,
and what does he say? Send videos? This is a
guy who says there are drive by shootings at Peoria

(38:30):
near an apartment house, even though the media, of course
is saying it doesn't happen. Well, we had a Broncos
player gets shot a couple of weeks ago. Now, now,
of course, you know, Fox interviewed our governor and he
said that the apartment houses were not being you know,

(38:51):
that was all just rumor.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
And all those videos were probably AI putting together all this.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
He says, it's rumor. Denying new denying news says that
nothing is happening according to denying I'm doing. You realize
people see through all this crap now.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
In all honesty, man, people aren't as dumb as some
people think.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
You know what, I don't actually know that, Mark, I
don't know if they do. I think a lot of
people want it to be disproved because it feels better
when it's not happened.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
People know now, they know how fake the news is,
they know how they're well just to set Trump up there.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
By the way, your polls, the surveys of confidence in
news media has gone years ago to a high of
eighty eight percent down to right now thirty percent.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Well that's incredible, it's thirty I know people that won't
even listen to CNN because they think it's too liberal now.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
And I am not kidding now. One thing. I mean,
people can't deny. I don't care who they are. Tell
you where people can't deny? For sure? I think we
no matter where what political ven you are, you can't
deny that the news media, the general news media, the

(40:10):
mainstream media, is absolutely positively in favor and biased for
the democratic, progressive liberal parties. And they have been and
they have been for years. They're kitty with them, they're them, Kitty,
What is going on with you? Kitty? What's happened now?
They might, by the way, they might think they're on
a mission for good. Again, I told you this. I

(40:32):
told you that there's nothing worse than politics when people
feel they're on a mission for good. I mean, it's
all right to be on a mission for good, but
to feel that you are doing such good that that
anything is justified, that's where it becomes really dangerous. Kitty,
what's going on with you?

Speaker 9 (40:50):
I need some help. I am fighting toxic mold. Yes,
I'm a dog, and I rented a space underneath a
vet clinic for my dog room means salon, okay, And
once I started there, I started getting symptoms, and I

(41:12):
kept on getting sicker and thicker. And I was in
that spot for twelve years.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
And I was going to wait a minute, you've been
renting this place for twelve years.

Speaker 9 (41:23):
I did rent it for twelve years. I moved out
a year ago.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
And you're telling me that you started feeling these symptoms
years ago, Yes, years ago, and so keep going with
your story.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
I couldn't find a doctor that would listen to me
and take me serious.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
So well, I'm going to I'll tell you. I'll tell
you why. I'll tell you why, because the vast majority
of mold is not toxic. For one, I'm going to
tell you why. I'm not saying that this is true
for you. I am saying in the mold business, ninety
eight percent of the mold is non toxic. And people
have some sensitivities even to non toxic mold. But most mold,

(42:05):
even toxic, you have to have constant exposure, which you had,
and then you would have symptoms that they look at.
And another thing is the symptoms onece sick not always sick.
You can get over them when you remove, when you
get away from the mold. I mean, it's not something
that permanently damages you like asbestos. So keep going. That's
probably why you're not getting a doctor to listen to you.

(42:29):
What are the symptoms you're talking about?

Speaker 9 (42:33):
Chronic fatigue, nausea, migraine problems, sleeping.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
That's not conducive to mold. Mold is mostly upper respiratory.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
But it started that way with asthma and stuff and bronchitis.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And then may I ask something in Kitty? When I
asked this, people get offended. I promise, I'm not trying
to offend you. I promise you. I want to get
to during this twelve years, what else was going on
in your life?

Speaker 9 (43:04):
Nothing? I was running a business and you were happy.
I was happy.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yes, okay, all right, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So I think she was actually tested for toxic mold
towards you.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Well, now that's different. That's different. Who tested you?

Speaker 9 (43:19):
A doctor's office in Loveland testing me?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
What kind of hold on? Hold on? What's the name
of the clinic in Loveland, Restore Health Center?

Speaker 9 (43:31):
I think they just changed names.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
But and what do they do up there at that clinic?
Are they mds?

Speaker 9 (43:39):
He is an MD and their focus is functional medicine,
so they can prescribe medication, but they can also they
also do supplements.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
And how did they and I want to know how
they how did they do this for you? How did
they do it?

Speaker 9 (43:56):
It's a urine test that the it's a separate company.
I mean, I don't know the name of the company
off off the hend.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
And what did they find?

Speaker 9 (44:05):
They found toxic mold, they found issues with other like
I have high levels of arsenic and I think aluminum different.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
And what did they recommend.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
To go through mold detox Oh?

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Really, I thought?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So?

Speaker 4 (44:26):
How much is that going to cost you? And your
insurance won't cover it? Right, it won't cover it, of
course it won't. And how much do they want for this? Yeah,
I'm hearing quack quack, quack quack. I'd like to know.
I'd like to know more about the lab. Now, exposure
can be detected in urine for micro toxins. Okay, but

(44:46):
but here's the deal, Okay, what they look for are
chemicals produced by the mold. So okay, However, what I
want to know is what did they say needed to
be done in order to in order to be detoxified?

(45:07):
How much is it going to cost you?

Speaker 9 (45:09):
Well, so they wanted they wanted to put me on
a couple of different supplements and I wasn't seeing any help.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
What kind of supplements? By the way, it was a.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
Binder, and I think it was NAC.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
It's supposed to be good for you no matter what.
But okay, so what was the binder? Do you know?

Speaker 9 (45:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Let me ask you. Did they test you? Did they
test you? I just want to ask you a test
where you held supplements in your hand and they muscle
tested you.

Speaker 9 (45:44):
So yeah, I went to a new doctor because that one.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
I was.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
You know what, you're you're your your your symptoms in
search of a diagnosis, and you're going to find more quacks,
more quacks than if you went duck hunting. I'm telling
you that that you're a being your you're being victimized.
I don't care what anyone says. Muscle testing is a scam,
and I can and I can prove it.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
They're muscle proved by the FDA, and there's more scams
on them than virtually anything out there on what mark
on this.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Plantro micotoxin tests? Right, that's right, these tests. I'm good.
So you look that up. I was just looking that
up after I found out about the test. And and
by the way, the FDA does not say Now, the
FDA is not the end all we heard through COVID.
Of course, they're not the best in the world. However,

(46:35):
I will tell you that that that the symptoms you're
having can be anything. Okay, it can also be depression. Okay.
That's why I asked, what was going on in your life?

Speaker 11 (46:47):
Do you have to say when these tests were done?

Speaker 9 (46:51):
I had the test done last year, and the new
doctor put me on supplements and I did clear it.
I did clear it. Then I was exposed to a
second round of toxic mold at the apartment that I
was living at.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
And so how did you know?

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Wait, how do you know the apartment you were living
in had toxic mold?

Speaker 9 (47:17):
I saw it on the walls.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Okay, how do you know? Hold on, how do you
know it was toxic.

Speaker 9 (47:23):
Because I could tell from the symptoms, because.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Okay, well you can't tell. You can't. You can't tell
from the symptoms. You got to test the mold.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Tom you said something that she just simply didn't listen to.
So I want to repeat it. You are looking for
a diagnosis for something. People are going to rip you
off left and right. Those tests are absolute garbage.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
You know, I feel sorry for you. I know you
didn't call by the way to get a lecture. I
know you didn't, and I know you're going to go upset.
And and that's why. You know, people give us bad
ratings because they don't like what we say, and unfortunately
for them, they get ripped off. We say things that
are truthful. And I am telling you the biggest ripoff

(48:09):
in medicine right now is clearing toxic mold from people,
because people believe they are infected and they're poison you.
How old are you right now, kitty? Forty forty? Have
you ever had have you ever had hormone replacement therapy?

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Okay? Good? Good? What do you have? What are you?
What are you on right now?

Speaker 9 (48:31):
I am on per gesterone and testosterone?

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Good good, good good? And are they bioidemically identical hormones?
And you get blood tests and all that. Yes, that's
I'm glad to hear that. Do you also have a
pretty good diet?

Speaker 9 (48:48):
I don't, because well, when I do eat, I do
eat really well. But right now I have no appetite.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
M kitty, What is the likely hood that you come across.
What is the likelihood that you are exposed to killer
toxic mold twice in your life and the symptoms persist
and you were cleared. I think you have to look deeper.
Now listen. I don't care if you tell me to
go to hell and never listen to me again. I truly, kitty,

(49:19):
I care for you, I really do. I want you
not to keep going to these quacks. I want you
you know, did you know that the male Clinic they
won't do these tests? Neither will M. D Anderson or
any of these any kind of really good places don't
do any of this toxic mold crap. Now. I'm not

(49:40):
saying it's impossible to be infected with toxic mold, but
it's like being infected with any bacteria or any problem.
You get rid of it, it doesn't stay with you.
You're not going to be permanently ill. I have to
take a break. If you're on when we come back,
that's great. We have some tips, but I wouldn't blame

(50:01):
you if you hang up, because I'm not giving you
the answers that you want. You want to be sick,
You want to find a reason for the way you
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(50:54):
a trouble shooter. Three oh three seven one three Tom
three seven one three eight two five five. All right,
So I looked up all of these these mold things
around the country. Now this is the controversy, and I
really want to be sensitive here because when people have

(51:15):
it used to be chronic fatigue syndrome, and they could
there was no test for it. There's no test for
chronic fatigue syndrome. However, there are plenty of medical doctors
that will tell you when you have it and take
your money, but insurance never covers it. Chronic fatigue syndrome
is in that category of symptoms without a cause, and

(51:38):
people want to find a cause, but it always corresponds
with an emotional trauma or a depression or something in
someone's life along with it. Now, chronic fatigue is way
better than what else happens from those incidents, which is
a paranoia and almost a chronic depression paranoia where people

(52:00):
after something like that happened, start imagining people are in
their home spying on them or after them. It's better
to go the chronic fatigue route if you have to
do any of that. And I'm not making fun of this,
I swear to God, I'm not. I have felt chronic
fatigue at times when I've been down in my life.
I have, and I recognize it for what it is.

(52:21):
If you don't recognize things for what it is for
what they are, you're going to chase symptoms your entire life.
You really will. Now, is there real unless, of course
there is a lot of it though people are looking
for now. If they see mold, they call it toxic mold.
Two percent of mold is toxic, and I mean seriously toxic.

(52:42):
Maybe less than two percent it used to be. Now
here's the deal. Do you know how many people that
lived into their nineties and one hundreds grew up with
root sellers that were nothing but mold The houses were
filled with moldy basements and floors. Listen, I think we

(53:05):
the more we hear in the media about things, the
more we latch onto them. Okay, you know they talk
about long covid um looking. I'm not gonna do. I'm
not gonna go on a rand and try to be
some nut, but I'm gonna tell you this. Do you
know that they don't find the back to do you know?
They don't find the COVID in their bloods after a while,

(53:26):
but they call it long covid because the symptoms persist. Now,
I wonder if anyone's done a study on the people
who have long COVID versus the people that don't. They're
weakened anyway, they're run down. Maybe many of them have
emotional problems. I don't know. But what I'm saying is
they can't blood test for long COVID. The way they

(53:48):
tell you you have long COVID is you had COVID
and now you still feel crappy, So they call it
long covid well, Kitty didn't have COVID, maybe so she
had mold. Other people have other things. I'm saying that
if you truly want to get better, then look at
root causes and don't latch onto one mark. Do you

(54:10):
remember the guy that called with he and his wife
had the more Gallon's disease under their skin. Of course,
no test for more gallanxy, he's no such thing. But
they swear to God there are things under their skin,
burrowing under their skin, and they're completely convinced of it,
and they get so angry with me when I look

(54:31):
for alternatives. Am I looking for an alternative to make
people sound crazy or depressed? No, I'm not. I swear
to God, I'm trying to help them. Kitty sounds exactly
like people who have called in with this mold thing,
and none of them have. They say, well, we had
an upper respiratory. You know, well, okay, people have upper

(54:54):
respiratory all the time. Then it goes away, Then they
get chronic fatigue, they get other things. Unless you actually
tested the mold spores and they were airborne, not just
toxic mold. It has to be airborne. It's not going
to get into your lungs that make you sick. And
if it does get into your lungs and make you sick,

(55:16):
you can get rid of it. You don't have to
go to a schlock clinic and the block tests and
go ahead, knock. If she went to a pulmonologist, Okay, kitty,
have you ever gone to a pulmonologist, which is a
lung doctor.

Speaker 9 (55:35):
No, I haven't gotten a chance.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
You really need you really need to do you really do?

Speaker 11 (55:40):
How long you've had these symptoms twelve years and you
never well, if you've had it for twelve years and
you haven't had the time to go to a pulmonologist,
you know something isn't isn't right.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
She's only going to doctors who give her I'll tell
you what it is. She's going to doctors that are
giving him her positive affirmation. They're giving her what her bias.
He wants to find something wrong. So she's going to
doctors and not listening to the ones who say, don't worry,
I don't think it's anything.

Speaker 11 (56:14):
But when when she says I haven't had let me finish, kiddy,
When you say you haven't had time to go to
promonologists after twelve years, that.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Statement is just yeah, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous because that's
the very first place you go if you have a
lung problem, you go to a lung doctor.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
You can't go to them without getting a referral from doctor.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Well, why can't that m d UP in Loveland give
you way?

Speaker 6 (56:39):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Wait, why can't the shlock md UP and Loveland give
you a referral the one that told you you have
a toxic mold?

Speaker 9 (56:46):
Because I don't need to. I don't need someone else
to confirm it when it's already been confirmed.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
It hasn't been confirmed. How has it been confirmed? Let
me ask you this. Do you have one test? Do
you have one one test one that shows the environment
you were in has toxic mold in the air.

Speaker 9 (57:06):
No, because I haven't paid for the test.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Okay, I'll pay for the test. Hold on, hold on,
I'll pay. I'm going to pay for the test. I'm
going to send someone to find mold in that you
were in a veterinarian's place. Do you think it's still
moldy or did he remediate it?

Speaker 9 (57:22):
Oh h no, he didn't alleviate.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Okay, Now, so if I go there, hold on it,
If I go there and do mold testing in the air.
I'll find toxic mold spores at a dangerous level in
the air. Is that right?

Speaker 9 (57:38):
If you do the correct testing this, what's.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
The correct testing the one that finds what you want?
What's the correct testing kit.

Speaker 9 (57:45):
No, it's going to be a test. I already talked
to the doctor. It's a specific company that tests for it.
And you and you put petri dishes out. Yes, run
you run the air, you close. I think you leave
it all for an hour and then you close you off.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
That's what we're gonna do. That's what we're going to
do for you. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
do a real mold test. We got to get this
doctor's we got to get this veterinarians approval.

Speaker 6 (58:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Yeah, that's not going to happen now that you think. No, no, no,
we can tell him. We're not trying to go after him.
We simply want to know. We just want to know.
Here's the other point. Are you in a toxic mold
situation right now?

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Kittie?

Speaker 10 (58:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Good? So are you getting better? Hold on? So? Are
you getting better?

Speaker 9 (58:33):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Good? So, by the way, and I'm so sorry, I
never asked you this. What can we do for you?
What did you call about? Because I want to if
there's something simple we can do for you, I want
to help you. What do you want?

Speaker 9 (58:45):
I really wanted the test the place to be tested, okay.
And if it is have mold in it, then I
would like a lawyer to help pay for all the
pain and suffering and lost wages. But I because of it.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Because she's not even in there anymore?

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Are they going to allow someone.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
To come in?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
And can I say something, kitty kitty? Yes, the problem
is in the history of old Unless you have a
compromise immune system to begin with, you're not going to
have a long term illness. So what pain and suffering
are you talking about? If you were there for twelve years?

(59:28):
Is that the pain and suffering you're talking about.

Speaker 9 (59:31):
From the mold that was making me sick?

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Okay? And when did you move out of there.

Speaker 9 (59:38):
Last November?

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Why didn't you.

Speaker 11 (59:40):
Move out eleven years ago?

Speaker 9 (59:43):
Because I didn't know what was making me sick?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
How did you find out what was making you sick
while you were there at the VETS office?

Speaker 9 (59:52):
Well, I knew that there was major water damage every
time it would rain, there would be water coming.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Okay, building, that's something.

Speaker 9 (01:00:02):
Didn't then?

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
How did but how did you find out? How did
you find out that it was mold? Hey, we're running
super lately, all right, Grey, I got to take a break, Kitty, Kitty,
I'm going to be straight with you. If you know,
we would like to help. But I don't think you
want it. I really think you want it to be mold.
You're convinced it's mold, and I don't know what else

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Rican comments at the Trump rally. Is he proud of
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don't think it was Trump. I think it was somebody there,
and I think they even issued a disclaimer saying they
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know that. But what did he say? He said something
about trash heap and but did he say anything else
about the people? I mean, he said some stuff that
had to be bleeped even I thought. But in any case,
so the uh, somebody said Rogan's podcast with Trump was
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(01:01:56):
you on buying the car under five grand and not
have to and not and not have to put money
in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
What I said was you can't, okay, And then he says,
I will say it's extremely hard to find but with
a little but to be a little mechanically inclined to
know what's good. So now this these are the idiots
that encourage people to do stuff like this, Because he
happened to buy a car for thirteen hundred bucks and
he happened to buy one really good. Okay, what I'm
getting at is this, it's highly unlikely. Okay, highly highly

(01:02:28):
highly highly highly highly unlikely. I call that impossible for
most people. Okay, I stand by it. Don't do it.
I think it's safer to tell people don't do it
than to tell people, oh, go ahead, it could happen anyway.
Three oh three seven one three talk three oh three

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seven one three eight two five five. I'm just so
tired of people when they think they you know, oh,
I did it once, so it must happen now on
the so of mold. See I hit, I hit a nerve.
People get upset. People get upset because I don't go
along with it. Now, coming up, we're gonna be talking

(01:03:12):
about high efficiency and hybrid systems. I want to talk
about those. Then I want to talk about uh eight
a eight adheating dot com in general, about going into
the winter season. But Joanna, I see something real quick
here that caught my Hanna Johannah. Yes, okay, because we're

(01:03:32):
gonna need to be ti Johannah, what's going on?

Speaker 12 (01:03:37):
Basically? I love I lived in the city of Aspen
at employee housing that you buy. Yeah, and there's notorious
for mold and building defects. There's been lawsuits. The h
o A only covered up my mold about five times

(01:04:02):
in sixteen years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
And now this is employee. You own this place, right, yes? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Is it a.

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
Condo, it's a condo.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
And is it subsidized or something.

Speaker 12 (01:04:14):
It's subsidized exactly, okay, as worker housing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Okay, yeah, So what's the problem they's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
She's saying, they're not addressing the mold issues.

Speaker 12 (01:04:28):
They're trying to make me sell my home. I actually
have something called disseminating idiopathic scalpal hyperosatosis and cancer from
the mold. But the disseminating thing is directly from the
mold ortysis.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Now hold on a second, we're trying to look it up.
But Joanna, Joanna, I don't want to make fun of
your sickness. Now, what kind of cancer do you have?

Speaker 12 (01:04:52):
It's breast cancer. I have all the pictures. I can't
get healthcare. The city of Aspen is paying off doctors
not to tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
No, Joanna, this sounds highly so. So your breast cancer,
what stage is it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
It's in stage?

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Like, are you, Joanna, are you staying stage four cancer. Yeah,
and you're not doing any treatments whatsoever.

Speaker 12 (01:05:18):
The thing is, I got to tell you the city
of Aspen is covering up why I have cancer.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Well, it doesn't matter why you have it. Insurance doesn't
have to know why you have it to treat you.
Do you have insurance?

Speaker 12 (01:05:34):
I don't, But the doctors are all ling even though
they're staying. I'm delusional my medical records. A doctor never
told me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
It's called hold on a sec Joanna, hold on please,
I have to take this break and I want to
give you more time. I'm serious. Susan, sus, sus could
you get me a sandwich? The name of that off
the air hers, let's spell it out on the on
the caller. Thank you. We have more coming right up.

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want to cut her short, and I truly do want
to see I have an idea on how I think
we can get to the bottom of this, Johanna. Uh if, Johanna,

(01:06:52):
if you could please hold seriously. I have some questions
and want to try to pinpoint a few things, and
I'm not going to uh. You know, I don't know
if people are out to get you or not, but
one thing we surely can do is help you get answers,
real answers if you're willing to do it. And I'm
even willing to foot some of the bill. I say

(01:07:12):
this because when I hear people suffering, I want to
know truly what the situation is so I can rule
it out. So hang in, Johanna, please Johanna, and we
will get to you. We have Garrett with us from
eight eight eight Heating dot Com, who will be talking
to shortly about what he's doing this season and some

(01:07:33):
of the things people are running up against. Now, Garrett,
real quick here, you're doing a deep clean for forty
five bucks. Is that correct?

Speaker 13 (01:07:41):
Yes, sir, doing a deep clean, all safety checks, pulling, cleaning,
and putting it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Back together excellently. We're going to talk about that. Plus
I do want to talk there's a reason I'm talking
about high efficiency systems. I don't think people know there
are many tax credits or even rebates from utility companies
they can get. We'll talk about that and more coming up.

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three five seven invest with Martino dot Com. And speaking
of Garrett, Garrett, real quick here in that you were
talking about a deep clean, I want to ask you
something else. Have you been called by solar companies to
do high efficiency electric and electric slash gash or hybrid units?

Speaker 13 (01:12:21):
Well, we've been called by homeowners that have solar to
do all of our high efficiency heat pump systems.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
Eira.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
You did they know that if they do this in
conjunction with the solar system the same year they put
it all together, they can actually get tax credits for
the entire total. Did you know that for the entire total?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Yeah, that I mean, so think about that. That's in
essence getting thirty percent tax credit for that heating system.

Speaker 13 (01:12:46):
Yeah, it's a it's a good deal. I mean, I can't,
I can't say nothing about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Now, aren't there other utility company rebates those? Sometimes when
you do high efficiency?

Speaker 13 (01:12:54):
There are there are high efficiency when it comes to
heat pump systems, now, yes there is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
So what do you get a rebate of some kind?

Speaker 13 (01:13:02):
Yep, It just depends on the heat pump system you get,
you know, hundreds of dollars to one thousand dollars just over.
So just depends on the efficiency and what you're matching
it with.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
And what if you found with high efficiency furnaces people
can save over the old eighty percents because a lot
of people still have those.

Speaker 13 (01:13:20):
Yeah, some subsystems we put in that we take out,
you know, we're talking full systems can be anywhere forty
to fifty percent more efficient.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Stand are you kidding me? Forty to fifty percent more efficient?

Speaker 13 (01:13:32):
Yeah, depending on the age that we're actually taken out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Holy crap. Okay, Brian has a quick question for you
and Johanna. I haven't forgotten about you. I truly want
to make you some offers here that I think would
help you. Brian, go ahead, What is your question?

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
Yeah, good morning, good morning. Hey.

Speaker 14 (01:13:49):
I wanted to let you know that I love eight
eight eight. I dealt with Kyle and I got my
central AC installed.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Well, thank you for letting us know that.

Speaker 14 (01:13:57):
Years ago that No, they were awesome. Now I'm in
I'm shopping around for a new water heater to be installed.
So of course I called eight eight eight first because
I knew they did that work. But then when I called,
I found out that they're referring everything to twenty four
fix it. Now twenty four fix it wants a forty

(01:14:20):
dollars charge just to come out and give me an estimate.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Wait, wait, no, it's the hold on a second, let
me explain that to you. It's thirty nine bucks. And
what they do is they will give you a complete
diagnostic of any problem, no matter how long it takes
to find that's plumbing, heating, cooling, electric, en drains, and
they credit you the thirty nine if you have the

(01:14:44):
work done. No one comes out to a house free
unless it is a second opinion.

Speaker 13 (01:14:51):
Well, Brian, let me let me just hop in there. Brian,
First off, thanks for using us and Kyle. You know
he's been with me forever, so I really appreciate that,
and I like the kind He's awesome. Yeah, absolutely, he's
a you know, he's one of those guys that just
always does the right thing. So I'd love to have
him with us. But that being said, you know, if
you're looking for a water heater, we can get my

(01:15:13):
personal number offline and I will go ahead and get
you in contact with the right person to make that happen.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Okay, that would be awesome.

Speaker 14 (01:15:20):
I mean, I mean absolutely nobody works for free, but
you know, to pay to earn my business. I mean,
you guys, didn't you know, I didn't have to do
that before.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
So okay, that's wonderful. But I want to ask Garrett
on a regular basis if people call for an estimate
for a water heater, let me clarify you will go
out free of charge. When people call and say, I
think I need a water heater, I'd like an estimate.

Speaker 13 (01:15:44):
We actually took a break from water heaters right now.
We are, you know, looking at bringing it back at
some time in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
But we well he was calling about a water heater.

Speaker 13 (01:15:51):
Yeah, that's why we're actually have a partnership with several
other plumbers at the same time. So if he just
gets my number off air, I'll go ahead and hook
him up with the right person.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
He's basically saying he's not going to get charged anything.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
No, I understand that. But on a regular business model, Garrett,
I'm asking Garrett, as a regular business model, how do
you feel about people going out free when the people
they're not saying something is broken, they're saying they may
want a new one.

Speaker 13 (01:16:18):
Yeah, a lot of people do free estimates. It's not okay, Ye,
It's just a normal thing or industry okay.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
And a lot of people don't. A lot of people
do what's called the service called now. I don't know
if fix it does it. I mean he said that.
I'd like to call it and clarify it with them.
But the bottom line is this is that the thirty
nine dollars diagnostic fee is if you have a problem
and you want someone out to your house, that's thirty nine.
So that's what rain when you said forty bucks. Maybe
they think you have something wrong with your water heater

(01:16:45):
and they'll come out and give you a you know,
for thirty nine bucks. They roll a truck for thirty nine.
When they get there, then whatever you have done, they
credit you the thirty nine bucks if you say, okay,
I'll think about it and never call them back. You
paid thirty nine bucks to find the problem.

Speaker 13 (01:17:00):
You know, we did that. We did that on our
service calls for furnaces and everything. In the past, we
had a fifty eight dollars eighty eight dollars service fee.
We'd get out there and had to do a repair.
We weave the service fee.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Yeah, So what I'm saying is it's not unheard of. However,
when somebody calls for a replacement furnace or water heater
or replacements and they know they want one, usually there
is no charge. So I'd like to clarify that if
you could Assumese put in a call over there, maybe
get one of the people on about it, because I'd
like to clarify how they do it. If someone calls

(01:17:32):
and says I think I need a water heater and
you were told Brian, it for them to even come
out and look and to give you an estimate for
a water heater would be thirty nine bus or forty
bucks as you're putting it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
No, I need a water beater.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. You
know you need a water heater, and they said to
come out and give you an estimate was going to
be thirty nine bucks.

Speaker 14 (01:17:55):
Sure, and with any smart consumer you want to get
multiple estimates.

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
So no, I get I.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Get what you're saying. I get what you're saying, and
and and so let's just clarify that. Thank you, Brian,
appreciate it. And of course you know I I thanks
for the kudos for eight eighty heating dot com. That
was very we We know Garrett's a great guy and
he's been with us for years. So let's keep going here. Okay, Now,
Joanna Johanna, I want to summarize this real quick. Johanna

(01:18:25):
has some health problem, serious health problem. She believes it's
come from living in Aspen in a condo and subsidized
well she owns it and it's worker housing, and she
believes it's from exposure to mold where the HUA wouldn't
address it. And she said she was diagnosed with Lord
that this disease is a very long name, and plus

(01:18:49):
she has cancer. She says, stage four breast cancer. So
very quickly, I need to ask a couple of questions Johanna,
the stage four breast cancer that was diagnosed by.

Speaker 12 (01:19:02):
A doctor diagnosed it. What's that no one diagnosed it?
I have medical malpractice?

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Okay, no, no, I'm asking. Just just just answer the question.
I promise you. I'm not trying to trick you. I'm
trying to help you. She's so so. No doctor, no
doctor diagnosed you with stage four breast cancer.

Speaker 14 (01:19:25):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:19:25):
I needed a biopsy three years ago and they put
me on the table and they said it was too risky.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
So you've never you've never. Okay, I'm going to say,
I'm going to ask just one more I'm just going
to ask one more time. You were never diagnosed with
stage four breast cancer?

Speaker 12 (01:19:44):
Yes, but I have all the evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
And what evidence is Okay, what evidence do you have
that you have stage four breast cancer?

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
I have pictures of a cat scan that shows I
have cancer everywhere?

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
And who told you that cat scan showed cancer everywhere?

Speaker 12 (01:20:05):
My friend, Jeter My.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Is your friend a doctor, of course. Okay, so hold
on a second. So no one, actually no medical professional
has ever diagnosed you with stage four breast cancer. Okay,
how about how about that other long disease? My god,
how do you say that again? I I doc? How

(01:20:29):
do you say myotysis. Well, it's more than that. But
the short name for it is d I s H. Right,
that that's just a bit very that's the initials. Who
diagnosed you with that disease DOMT.

Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
It's disseminating idiopathic skeletal skeletal hyperostosis.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Well, idiopathic, and the symptoms could be that just means
she's got What it really says is she's got pain
from unknown symptoms from unknown causes.

Speaker 10 (01:21:02):
I mean, no, I.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
I that's what idiopathic means. That's what idiopathic. Who diagnosed
you with that? You gave us a doctor's name because
that could help clerk the clerk over at seven eleven,
Just wait a second, No, seriously, who what's the doctor's name?

Speaker 12 (01:21:19):
Doctor Stanley Gerstein? And I can send you emails with everything.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Is doctor Stanley Gerst is doctor Stanley? Is he a MD?

Speaker 12 (01:21:30):
Yes, he's an MD?

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
And what did he recommend for treatment for this?

Speaker 12 (01:21:35):
He never told me. It's on my medical records and
no one has told me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
And Joanna Johnna, you complained of joint pain, right, that's
what this diagnosis means. It basically means it's more than.

Speaker 12 (01:21:49):
That it's calcifications of your ligaments and tendons around your
spine and it travels everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
What testing did he do to diagnose that?

Speaker 12 (01:21:59):
He did the MRI.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Okay, all right, now can if you'd like? Are you
still working in Aspen?

Speaker 10 (01:22:11):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:22:11):
I can't work. I haven't been able to work since
my clients with Alzheimer's died three years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
Are you on Social Security disability?

Speaker 11 (01:22:20):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:22:20):
I can't even I can't. I'm not I should be
on it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Well, why aren't you on it?

Speaker 10 (01:22:30):
Let me tell you?

Speaker 12 (01:22:31):
When I was getting sicker and sicker, I told the
h o A that I was And the next day
they had a E. S.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
I S.

Speaker 12 (01:22:44):
Trucks outside my house and someone was doing something on
my roof and I asked her what are they doing?
And she said, oh, there's Stalin and Tennis. Well to me,
they've been trying to fix the roofing and the site.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
What do you think they're doing, Johanna, what do you
think they're doing.

Speaker 12 (01:23:06):
For covering up it? And let me tell you this
is fair?

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
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(01:23:56):
All Right, people, this is the anatomy of a problem,
and we dissect it because I don't want I don't
want to leave any stone unturned. Johanna, deputy doc, asked
a question, has anyone else in the building gotten sick?

Speaker 12 (01:24:16):
I know it's just in my house, But if you
look at.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Why why do you but but mold, mold and water
and all of that. You said it's a condo, right,
it's it's shared housing, right, I mean shared building, right? Yeah,
the sighting is all wet, So why do you think
only your place got this toxic situation?

Speaker 12 (01:24:39):
It's not just my place, but I'm the one disseminating.
Idiopathic celical hyperositosis is from mold. I got tested positive.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
It actually isn't it actually is not even associated with mold.
Idiopathic means cause unknown. Did you know that? Did you
know that's what the docals offer tongue? Did you know
that the doctor when he put idiopathic in that it
means unknown cause.

Speaker 12 (01:25:04):
Now it's they said, disseminating.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Idiopathic means un knowing cause.

Speaker 12 (01:25:15):
Yeah, but if you look it up, it is caused
by mold, it can.

Speaker 11 (01:25:18):
Be, but disseminating just means it's in more than one place.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
That's right, That's right.

Speaker 11 (01:25:24):
And I have one question when you when you say
you have stage four cancer and somebody looked at the MRI,
let's say that even if they saw tumors that were
spread throughout your body, there's no way from an MRI
that you can tell what the initial cause of the
cancer was.

Speaker 12 (01:25:42):
No, I have I don't know it's it's breast cancer.
I had a mammogram. Then the thing is at the
city of Aspen is covering up the mold problem in
my house?

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Why Why?

Speaker 12 (01:25:58):
Because they know I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:25:59):
Sick from it.

Speaker 12 (01:25:59):
And the doctor didn't even tell me I had disseminating
ideopathic scoletal hyperossociation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Okay, see the reason the reason they're telling you. Have
you ever considered that you don't have cancer and you
don't have dish disease? Have you ever considered that good?

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:26:18):
I have it. I was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Oh my god, this is like crazy. Listen, Johanna, what
were you? Did you need us to refer you to? Who?
What did you need?

Speaker 12 (01:26:31):
I'm see the doctors are our line. I was abducted
in my home. I was arrested for something I didn't
do to the next or neighbor. And I'm not even
in the newspaper. That's the other big issue that what
were you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
What were you arrested for?

Speaker 12 (01:26:48):
It didn't tell me. I only found that out three
months they did they.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Lock you up for forty eight hours by any chance?

Speaker 10 (01:26:55):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Were you in a rubber room.

Speaker 12 (01:26:57):
Half a year and a half while I had cancer?
And they know I had pictures on my cat scan
on my walls.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
How long have you had stage four breast cancer?

Speaker 12 (01:27:09):
I don't know if I have it in my bones now,
I'm trying to send you emails? Can I can I
get with a doctor to send them pictures of this stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
So yes, you can, sus give her our email address, Johanna,
we'll give you our email three all three seven one
three talk seven one three eight two five five Okay,
the uh listen. I looked up this illness fit da
into the next one. This illness is not caused absolutely

(01:27:41):
not caused by mold. In fact, no one knows what
causes it. It's generalized pain. Other people have called it chronic
fatigue syndrome. Other people have called it uh there. There
are also many names for this meaning they don't know
what's going on, but people are complete symptoms. She says,

(01:28:01):
now she has cancer in her bones, can't forths and
stage cancer in her breast, and she wants to send
us some evidence. Okay, and she's not nuts, right, But Mark,
hold on, what is it today? I mean, this is
the second call.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier. Let's
go to the next call, all.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Right, Drew, Mark meant that in good fun, Drew. Now,
for those listening, Drew has called me over the years,
and his latest thing is this. It's just the bottom line,
he's running out of money. He's seventy eight years old,
he's or seventy seven. He's running out of money. He

(01:28:44):
doesn't know what to do. He put a GoFundMe up there.
I told him I would tell people about it, but
I wanted him to take off that crazy description and
let me put one up for him. So I sent
him one by email, and I'm going to see if
it's up there anyway. Here's the bottom line. He thinks
it's going to help him, and I told him I

(01:29:06):
feel bad for him, but I don't think. I don't
think it's gonna help. I wanted to help at least
put the description up there and make it a better
sell than it was before. But the bottom line is
it's it's sad because he's running out of money, and
his last hope is that he gets he raises twenty grand.

(01:29:31):
But even if he raised twenty grand, that's not going
to last him a long time. Now. He did have
seventy five dollars raised, and now I see, oh, somebody
else added five to it. Did the earlier seventy five
go away? Or is that still there?

Speaker 15 (01:29:50):
Tom?

Speaker 16 (01:29:51):
The librarian put your lovely profile on thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
I see it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
It is way better. It is way better. I think
you're foolish to put your address in there, your actual
apartment number, the actual street in New Jersey. I don't
know why you're doing that.

Speaker 11 (01:30:09):
Well, Tom, nobody's going to rob him, he has nothing
to rob.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Good point, But why would you put your address up there, Drew?

Speaker 16 (01:30:20):
Because I don't I've never had a computer. I didn't
know for other people like me who might just mail
some help.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Oh, I see, I see all right.

Speaker 16 (01:30:30):
I know the librarian time ran out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Put your What happened to the seventy five dollars that
was there?

Speaker 16 (01:30:38):
I don't know that was going to be my question?
How do I? I think I've got to do something
else at the GoFundMe site I've got to apply for
so they know where to send it to my bankers.
So that's what the librarian said, but he didn't have
time to continue.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Listen, I I don't understand. You had seventy five up there,
and now you have another five bucks, so that would
have been a total of eighty. But the seventy five
I don't see there anymore. And here's the thing.

Speaker 16 (01:31:12):
I have no idea room.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
I hope you take I hope you take my suggestion.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on
this call. This is not going to get This is
not going to solve your problem. Okay, okay, I promise you.
You can't depend on gofund me when you're running out
of money and you're going to be out by the
middle of December or the end of December. You're going

(01:31:35):
to be homeless if you don't do something. You have sociality,
you have social security, you have Medicare, you have a pension.
You need to find a cheaper place to live, if
even only a room. You need to start taking action.
Do not wait for GoFundMe to raise twenty grand. You're
not going to I don't see it happening.

Speaker 16 (01:31:57):
Do you know how they can put the money into
the goalfundme account. I don't know how to do that.
The librarian noticed that there's three people who said they
sent donations, two of them you mentioned until library was
getting near closing.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
Hey, Drew, are you give him that user name and
password to anybody? And I mean anybody? He gave it
to me, Oh there you go. No, Seriously, he gave
it to me. But I won't lot. You can't log on.
The only way you can log on is with a
You've probably got to set it up tom so he can.
You probably got to help him cash it out. That's
the bottom line.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Yeah, But I don't want to. I don't want to
get involved. I really don't want to get involved. They
asked me for a They need to text you confirmation.
He didn't have a text number. I don't even know
how their librarian is logging on. I have no idea,
but I know this. I don't want to be blamed
for missing money. I don't want to get involved. I
will not get involved. I will not get involved. If

(01:32:58):
you want to know, I don't think Mark should either. Actually,
to be honest with you, it's truly, it's truly a problem, okay,
And I don't think it's going to help him. And
I think he is going to be He's going to
be truly troubled and homeless, and I hate to see
that after knowing him for thirty years on the air.

(01:33:19):
It's sad. It's sad, Drew, this is not going to
help you. You need a cheaper place to live, you
need a unit. You just need to make some changes.
Even it even if you go to a he.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
Makes enough a month to where if he moved, Drew,
if you moved to somewhere you could afford how much
do you get a month to everything?

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Pension, social Security? How much too grande? Seventeen hundred?

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
Oh right, so Mississippi. I mean you got to move
somewhere where you can afford something. You're not going to
get anything in Jersey man Or Okay, Well, I don't
know what else to tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Then, Drew, my guy says, here's what he says he
has to say for the trial. Do you know what
he's talking about? Another hopeless setting me, another hopeless case,
Another hopeless case. His own attorney indicated it would take
three to five years and probably would not get anything.
His own attorney is telling him he has a bad case.

(01:34:19):
Yet he thinks because he was walking down the street
and a tailgate of an suv fell on top of
his head or was coming down and he walked underneath it,
he thinks his entire life will be made whole by
this settlement. Drew, I can no longer help you. Today
seems to be a day of delusional people. I feel badly,

(01:34:41):
I really do, and I'm not kidding, by the way,
I'm not using them as pawns to laugh at. We've
had three calls in a row where people are totally
delusional and they're calling me for help. I want to
help people, I swear to God, but you're But I
have to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Drew.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
You're not good that lawsuit. You don't have to stay
in Jersey for the lawsuit, and the lawsuit isn't going
to pay off. Remind I'm telling it will not pay off,
and if it does, it will be such a menial
amount it will it will eat up everything You've gone
into debt for waiting for it. To wait there for

(01:35:20):
some kind of a lawsuit settlement is crazy. You need
to get out of there. I'm going to tell you something.
When you call at the end of December and you're
homeless and you're living in your car if you even
have your car anymore, I can't help you. I am
telling you now that the go fund me will not
sustain you, and I'm telling you the lawsuit will not

(01:35:42):
come through. Please listen to me, Drew, you are delusional.
You need to find another place to live, even if
you rent a room somewhere in Jersey, or you go somewhere,
as Mark suggested, where you can afford to live. You
cannot live like you're living.

Speaker 11 (01:35:59):
You can not.

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(01:36:42):
seven one three eight two five five. Coming up the
Troubleshooter Awards at the end of the year. One of
them will be the best voicemail ever. We're gonna give
you a preview. The next one will be the best
contract ever. And then the best business name. Mark doesn't
even remember that one, does he the best wait ouch Dental?

Speaker 11 (01:37:02):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
Oops construction, Oh that's right, Oops Construction that's as real
as it gets.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
It was literally called Oops Construction now. And the best
contract was the Lunic contract, but we'll get into that later.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
And then and then the drunk truck driver that always
left beautiful voicemails for first to get.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
I want to get to Lilian first. She needs help, Lillian.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Lilian?

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
Is she there? Lillian? I want to help her?

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
Okay, she's just not there, damn it. She probably heard
how you took care of Drew and hung up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Let's go to uh Deputy Bow. Deputy Bow, by the way,
who came over to my house late Saturday night. What
a nice man? Do you know why he came over
to my house?

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
I I don't even want to guess to be He
used to be in the HVAC business and he had
a professional CEO sniffer and a gas sniffer.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
And Garrett wouldn't answer my phone calls, and neither would
George over it. Fix it? No, just kidding? What did
you smell gas? No, here's what happened. My daughter, you know,
stays here. I don't stay here. My daughter stays here.
And she called me and said, Dad, the CEO detector
was chirping. Oh, I said, do me a favor, hunt,
I said, check. Yeah, she changed batter. She goes, it's

(01:38:29):
still chirping. I said, okay, go to my bedroom and
I have a portable one in there downstairs, and the
master bring that upstairs and put it next to yours.
And she did, and I said, now do the test
function to make sure that one's working. And then it's
that one started beeping saying evacuate and it said four
hundred parts familion. Except that was the test saying that

(01:38:51):
that went off after ten seconds. But she didn't know that,
so she said, Dad, that one went off too, And
I went, ah, crap, So I call up I call
up Boh because I knew seriously. I tried calling Garrett
and George and they called me. George learn not to
answer no no. I just wanted to ask him a question.
I didn't want him to come over anyway. So Bo

(01:39:14):
came over with a sniffer and I said, Bo, I
think I found something out. I asked my girlfriend why
this was happening. I know why. My girlfriend is AI.
Go ahead, Mark, Well, we just had one hit its
end of life cycle. That's exactly what it was. I
didn't realize there's some kind of an element in there,
a tiny radioactive element that goes bad. Here's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
If that one just went out, I promise you the
other ones are to come now.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
No, by the way, this is not my smoke. We're
not talking smoke detectors.

Speaker 5 (01:39:43):
We're talking Yeah, I see, I just went through it, yep, coo. Okay,
So my COEO detector was what you was that house built? No, no,
it was a ten year old detector. Bo already looked
at his daughter looked it up.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
He brought his lovely daughter with him, and Grace looked
it up and said, this is ten years old. And
I went and it supposed that chirps after seven years,
and it didn't. It might have been. You can't get
rid of it, no matter what you can know for safety,
because it doesn't work anymore. Yeah, right, I know. So
Bo got me two new ones.

Speaker 11 (01:40:15):
I came over because I was concerned when you said
two of the COEO detectors were going off upstairs and downs.
So I genuinely where you thought you had a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Yeah, I did too. And then when just before he
got here, I realized that she had not the second one.
She was testing when it went off because it wasn't
showing any readings. The second one shows active readings. By
the way, it's a constant readout. So in any case,
this is a good consumer tip. If you have a
CEO detector, Now does that happen? That doesn't happen with

(01:40:47):
smoke detectors, does it? Garrett? Do you know or do
you know? Bo do smoke ditables? They will chirp yeah,
but do they have an end of life? Do they
have a lifespan?

Speaker 11 (01:40:57):
I think so they have an element too, just like
a CEO is.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
The one that wouldn't stop on ours. And how I
learned all this about I don't even know, even within
the last month. Does both And it's all tied to
our alarm system, which makes it even crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
But but there is there is something about and don't
play it. Don't play it dragon, But that sound Okay,
telling him not to do it is like inviting it.
But it's the worst sound and I hate do that
to him. One day, Yeah, but it was him. Here's
what here's the way it is. Though it's a cruel joke.

(01:41:34):
They make it so it sounds like it's coming from
every one of them, and.

Speaker 5 (01:41:38):
It's only can't tell if you're on the main floor.
You can't tell if it's downstairs upstairs.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
And then when getting so I have to go to
each one and look up at it to see and
wait a freaking sixty seconds. You're right, You're right. God,
I hate that. Stop and dragon. We have more coming
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three oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Mark,
I'm admiring the picture you put up on me. Listen,
come back.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
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is gonna believe and it's the real deal.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
You gotta hold tight. We're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
It right after I promise it's gonna you gotta stay.

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(01:43:40):
Your turn, Go ahead, Bill, Welcome to the show. What's happening?

Speaker 6 (01:43:44):
He speaking of smoke detectors.

Speaker 16 (01:43:48):
I got one that came with a ten year battery.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
By the way, that's what I replace mine with. By
the way, there's no such thing as a smoke detector.
It's a smoke detector making in your world a smoke detecta. Okay,
So what kind of tenuear battery? Mark? I never heard
of those. So the new ones we just that one

(01:44:12):
I was talking about. So it does both.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
It does the coo and then it does the smoke,
and for whatever reason, you cannot replace the battery. It
looks identical, but they literally like clipped in glue the
cover so you can't easily open it to replace the battery.
And whatever battery they put in there is good for

(01:44:35):
ten years. Then the unit is junk.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
You know, it's not so bad that these things are,
I mean expensive, they're not, and I'd like to buy one,
but you can't. You got to find the same footprint
as the one in your ceiling. I mean, even if
I take the whole thing off.

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
No, no, they're easy to basically that part you twist
it into, they're all the same. That part might be different,
follow what I'm saying, But the bolt pattern on the
two that hold that part into the ceiling are pretty
much all the same.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
No, No, I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but what I'm thinking about, though, what I'm thinking about,
if you put a whole new one, I get it.
Like when I did a thermostat and I switched those
digital thermostats. The other one one had a different footprint,
so now I have to sand and paint. Yeah, it sucks,
but anyway, it's probably worth getting those better ones. So

(01:45:29):
the elements in those must last because the element in
the carbon monoxide detector said you needed to change it
is a carbon monoxide, is it?

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Yeah yeah yeah, two yeah yeah yeah yeah. It said
you had to change them every seven years. But in
any case, thank you for that. You can't you got
a tenure? Yeah, Bill, just just put Bill on hold
and put him put him out to pasture right now.
Three oh three seven three seven one three eight two
five five. Bill, We got you, bro, We got your message.

(01:46:02):
We can hear you, sus We'll talk to you. So listen.
I want to ask some advice. Is it better for
me to just be honest with people when it comes
to not care delusions? No, I'm serious, I know, and
I mean should we be honest or should we just

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say we can't help you. I'm sorry, Maybe you should
try such and such. I the reason I feel compelled
to be honest with them, and I think it truly.
Although you can't necessarily doc, you can back me up
on this even though you were in you know, obg
y N. You're in the medical profession. You can't truly

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reason with someone who is mentally ill. I mean you can't.

Speaker 11 (01:46:48):
Well, yeah, that's why they're mentally ill.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
It'sch a definition, but is it? But but what do psychiatrists?
What do psychiatrists do?

Speaker 11 (01:46:58):
I think psychiatrists try to point out the reality of
it and get them by I mean, I'm a psychiatrist,
but I assume they get them to eventually see the
reality of what of what the delusion is.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
Yeah, but some people, like the folks in my opinion
we talked to today, some of them might need some
medication in order to get to that point.

Speaker 11 (01:47:20):
Absolutely. I think, you know, medication and interventional psychiatry certainly
works for these people.

Speaker 5 (01:47:26):
You dealt with someone in your life that was, you know,
that was supposed to be on medication, and when they were,
I mean they were a completely different person, wouldn't you agree?
My brother Yeah, yeah, I mean completely different. No, you're
his Your brothers passed away, right right? And so I mean, okay,
I'm just going to say I was saying. When he

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was on his meds, I mean we just would never
get messages. I mean literally, he was normal. You would
talk to him and everything was fine, but the second
he was off, he would leave. I mean crazy voicemails
that were crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
I know it. And there's just nothing. And here's the
crazy thing about being crazy. And I hate using the
word crazy, but if you have, if you had this
bipolar thing, and it seemed that lithium helped him so
fricking much, why doesn't he stay on it? Because as
they're coming off it, they like that feeling of being like,
they feel like they're somebody. I think they feel like

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they're normal because that's how they are. Mark one time.
This is the god's honest, true story, and I won't
give his name. He was an intern of mine and
I suddenly realized that he was bipolar. And the reason
is because of my family's history with my mom and
my brother. And when I heard him talking, I thought,
this sounds like a manic episode to me. And so

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his mom told me, yes, he's on lithium. So he
started taking medications. And his mother must have told him
and he started acting, Okay, we're at channel four and
he was an intern of mine. Then he stopped in
turning and he was I mean, I hadn't seen him

(01:49:06):
in a few months. I turn on channel nine and
they were talking about training camp, the Broncos training camp,
and they said a walk on came on. He pulls
up in a car no way and gets this no no,
and he tells everybody he's going to be a walk
on for a quarterback and he's going to replace Elwa.
And they interviewed him and they were kind of making

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fun of him. I don't think they realized that he
was mentally ill, but they said, man, you know, uh
fans have turned out and even people who aspire to
be a Bronco. And they interviewed. He was on he
was I think it was it was Channel nine and
I saw him and I thought, oh my god, and
I called his mom and they had of course they

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saw it too, but he was up there wanting to
be a quarterback for.

Speaker 5 (01:49:53):
That and they thought he was kind of like doing
it in jest, you know. And I'm being serious when
I say this Trump derangement syndrome. I've never seen anything
like it. I've got relatives man, that I swear, and
I'm not kidding at all. He could cure cancer or
save their life or their child's life or something and

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it wouldn't matter is how much they hate him. I
have never seen a man so hated for almost zero reason.
I heard did you listen to Trump? And the who'd
he just do it with Rogan. Did you happen to
listen to that?

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
No, you know what they brought up.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Listen to this man right before he ran, in fact,
after he came down that escalator in twenty fifteen. Do
you realize he was on the view he hugged and
kissed with open or op Yeah, with Oprah his way
and his.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Show, his show the was it the intern? That was
a hit? Shot woo? But Whoope? Goldberg loved this guy,
Joy Bayer loved this guy. They all loved them. But
then when he won, it's like the media turned on
him or when he became when he became you know,
when it became real, No, when it became real that
he was actually had a shot at going for president.

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But it's it's so amazing the derangement that got created.
And I do I would love to.

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
Have a psychiologist, a psychologist on or a psychiatrist for
that matter, and really explain, not just in the case
of Trump, but how how can so many people that
never met somebody hate somebody that much?

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
It's crazy. Now now people speaking of which we have
some text to the I'm not going to go through it,
and they're saying that that they heard Trump's spewing more
hate than anyone, and that he kind of I don't know,
I you know, that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
Thing that Madison Square Garden was the official knockout. If
you ask me, he knocked that out of the park Man.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
It was just it was great, and it says here,
you know, Mark was saying, why do you say you
don't want to talk politics when Mark sure does talk
about politics? First of all, Mark's a free person can
talk about anything he wants. Yeah. And the second thing is,
it's not that I don't want to talk about politics.
What I mean is this, This is what I mean.
I don't like to I'm not Mark might be I'm

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not trying to convince people who to vote for what,
but what to vote for or what kinds of principles?
I do talk about issues. Now, Mark does talk about politics,
and it goes on to say, does he really think
that people put out a pool that Hillary would win
by ninety one percent to discourage Trump voters? That's stupid.
I mean, did you say something like that, Mark about yeah? So,

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oh a poll? I'm sorry, he meant a poll. Do
you think people put out a poll on that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
You're getting things he's going to go things mixed up?
What did you say the front of the I think
it was a New York Post or New York Times
front of New York Times November fifth or eighth, two
thy sixteen. If you google it, it pops right up.
They put Hillary as Oh that I might. Yeah, there's
nothing I'm making up here.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Oh it was a headline. You're absolutely right, I remember
that ninety chance to win. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:10):
And what I made the comment is a lot of
times he'll do stuff like that so the other side
doesn't get out and vote. I mean, it's just a
dirty trick and everybody knows that. There's what else can
I say it is?

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
I will say this, The rallies are truly, truly remarkable
to me. It's it's almost like are they going out
because they love them or are they going out just
to see the phenomenon. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
I mean no, there, let me tell you, when you
show up to one of those, you're you're in a
group of people. The one I went to here in
Denver is at least forty thousand, somewhere between thirty and fifty,
and people can argue whatever. It had a mile long
coming out of the Gay Lord twelve thousand, staging twelve thousand.
Inside it was forty to fifty and we all somewhat

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think alike. Now, some like that or hate it somewhat.
Not everybody agrees on everything by anything, but we all
are sick and tired of what's going on in the country.
More than anything, we're sick and tired of being lied to.
I guess that's probably the biggest thing. I mean, how
Kamala can sit there and go if he gets into office,
he's going to use the Department of Justice to go

(01:54:19):
after his enemies. My god, that's all they've done to him.
They literally have done that to him in the last
two years. It's amazing. Okay, Now what I want to
say is real quick. We had one text here. Oh,
I'm trying to find it that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
Oh they said that Madison Square Garden purposely closed concessions
until the speech started. Then they opened them up on
purpose to see to show people flowing out of the garden.
They were actually going to the concession stand.

Speaker 5 (01:54:59):
I can only say one thing about that. I have
no idea if that's true or not. I haven't even
seen that story. But I'll say this, that man that
owns Madison Square Garden in New York City offered him
a ton of money to move that over towards the
river years ago, and he held fast and made the
best decision ever. He's a businessman, is what I'm getting to.
So if you don't think that guy's selling water and

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coke when he can, you're crazy. The man likes making money.

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
All right, We have more coming up on the Troubleshooter show. Hi,
Tom Martino, your Troubleshooter. Tom's got to comment on the show.
Go ahead, or comment on something? Go ahead, Tom, what's happening?

Speaker 6 (01:55:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:55:41):
Yes, I would just like to say, how does Mark
feel about the comment the man made Puerto Ricans?

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
What man? Tom? Comedian? That comedian?

Speaker 15 (01:56:02):
Sir, Well, it's comedian, but.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Trump, who cares? You know what?

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
The same way I feel about when I watch Eddie
Murphy or Chris Rock or any other comedian when they
make fun of all kinds of things.

Speaker 17 (01:56:18):
Sir, h keep going. I mean, go ahead, sir, he's
a comedian.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
There was that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
Oh well, anyway, I find it funny. Who's Who's probably
I don't even know what to say. Who was the
guy that they attempted to cancel for making fun of
transgender He's probably the biggest comedian on the planet. I mean,
I I don't hear any of these people going after Chappelle,
But because this guy's at a Trump rally, it's an issue.

(01:56:54):
You freaking your freaking brain

Speaker 6 (01:56:58):
For me.