10-6-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott is joined by Captain Ed Gallrein, US Navy SEAL/Army Ranger to discuss the situations in Gaza and Venezuela. Also Cincinnati FOP President Ken Kober explains why Cincinnati has a problem with probation violations. Finally Rep Bill Seitz breaks down the proposed changes to the property tax laws.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you want to be in a Manican.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Here we go on this Monday morning, Scott Slow seven
hundred WLW in that Sunday was felt like work watching
the Bengals yesterday. Didn't like I worked maybe six seven
days this week. Uh, we'll get in that a little
bit of course, James or James rappeen. It will be
here to recap that a little bit later on in
the show. Lots going on, including this. We're blowing up
suspected drug boats off foreign countries, off the coast of

(00:24):
foreign countries. And we have yet another piece plan in
the Middle East, and this one seems like to be
the one. This is the one that who knows could
get Trump the Nobel Prize? Is this the deal that
finally stops the carnage in Palestine and Israel?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
On?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
That is a Captain Ed Glryan. He is a US
Navy Seal team seven times over, team leader, decorated Special
Ops Task Force commander, US Army Ranger, long decorated career,
serving this nation in a very rare seal And are
you a US Army Ranger marriage which often doesn't happen?
Captain Ed, good morning, how are you sir?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Good morning? Scott, Good morning the listeners. Well, we'll be
a lot better if we get this rain that's coming through.
We need a drink down here on the farm.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I believe that, no doubt about it. Let me outline
what happened over the weekend here if you're just plugging
back in this morning. So this happened late in the
week with President Trump announcing a peace plan in the
Middle East. So as of Saturday, the Israeli military has
shifted to defensive operations in Gaza, stop their airstrikes beyond
what those are needed for force protection, I guess. According
to the IDF, the Israeli Prime Minister net Yahou confirmed

(01:28):
he halted the offensive. Said, Okay, we're gonna engage in
the Trump plan here and engage in indirect negotiations between Israel.
They're going to sit down I guess Israel Hamas and
start talking today in Egypt, and the peace plan would
be enacted once all forty eight hostages are returned to
Israeli territory and if they're not released by the deadline,
then they'll zoom fighting again. So it's still relative tentative,

(01:50):
and we've heard this before. We're so close to peace
we've got peace, and then peace erodes rather abruptly. What
should we expect from what's happening right now?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Ed? Well, a good wrap upon that. Ever elusive is
the piece with them off. But something we have to
remember as we watched this from the distance is they
are not a nation state. They're a terrorist group with
an armed faction. So they have a political element that's
doing the discussions, which is not always in alignment with
the fighters that are on the ground and Gaza accordingly,

(02:22):
that could be the long pole in the tent. But
regardless of that, great credit has got to be given
to the administration because this is like a mensa game
underwater at night. It is difficult to get all this
lined up. Could I talk about sort of where we're at? Yeah,
the final piece is these final few hostages. Now, remember
there was what back in February, three hundred and sixty

(02:45):
nine or so Palestinian prisoners were released just for three
Israeli hostages. Earlier in the SEASCAR. In January of twenty
twenty five, Israel had already released over one thousand Palestinians
for thirty three Israeli hostages. Some were deceased and some
were alive. There had been some other one offse that
occurred in there, but now the totals well over one

(03:07):
thousand Palestinian prisoners have been released. Remember they were captured
and many of them had life sentences for very serious
crimes and such in Israel. And as part of the
President's twenty point Godza peace proposal, there is the final
exchange of about a forty eight prisoners many deceased, for

(03:28):
about nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners. This is going to
be a very difficult, hard move by the final armed
elements of Hamas because that's their last bargaining chip. And
I want to add this. Remember one of the key
elements is they have to agree to verifying disarmorment. They

(03:51):
have to disarm ergo I would say, oh, there's one
other piece we have to remember here, Scott. Our adversaries
watched the calendar. You know what tomorrow is. It's the
second anniversary of the Hamas attacks. Basically a slaughter. Over
twelve hundred folks died there during that attack, a brutal slaughter,

(04:12):
and they love to celebrate those dates. I know to
the US listening audience, it doesn't always make sense for
to them it's a strategic victory. They use it for
recruiting and for fundraising. So we are in the shadow
of the eve of the second anniversary. So it is
going to be interesting how things develop in the next

(04:32):
twenty four to forty eight hours in that setting, scot.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And how does how do you disarm Hamas? How do
you trust them? How do you demobilize them? It's a
terrorist organization. It's not like it's you know, somebody's going
to lay their sword down at the feet and they're
going to sign the agreement on a deck of a
US battleship in the middle of the Pacific, like the
end of World War Two.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's not happening here. How do you determine that?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, you hit the nail on the head. And that's
why I started out. They're not a nation state, and
they're very factioned, so to speak. You're going to have
hard l elements, even within the hard elements, so it
is going to be more than difficult. And then it
is going to require constant oversight and the systems, processes
and such in place to allow that monitoring. Accordingly, what

(05:15):
that would imply is there's gonna have to be a
sweep through Gaza to what we call cordon and clear,
completely cleared out, not unlike urban operations on the same
kind of you know, metropolitan city terrain, urban terrain during
World War two. You're gonna have to go through and
do a complete search. They're gonna have to agree to

(05:37):
that in some terms and some methods, but that is
very difficult because it pass this prologue. They have never
put those arms down. And when you add the fact
that these the prisoners that have been released, many of
them have gone back to fighting.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
And this is all predicated on new leadership. This technocratic
group that's not autocratic, but technocratic group that's going to
come in. It's gonna take a while to establish a government.
Always does. And even when there's peace, aren't we going
to have just splinters and factions of a moss that
are not happy that they laid their arms down and
just start over and form an as a as a
splinter group and gross strength through power if they don't

(06:15):
see things moving as quickly as human nature.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Dictates, very likely, Scott, You're you're exactly right, they will
just nearly morph into the next chapter because they've been
raising by brainwashing. You know, basically that next generation. I
want to add something as well here. The move by
a number of nations to recognize in the Palestinian state
without having conditions set where you're going to have to

(06:39):
do this was probably ill advised. I'm no politician, I'm
a fifth generation farmer, career, military officer, combat arms For
the record, however, as a strategician, I would have advised
those leaders do not recognize them without conditions. We gave
it away. To your point, that was a leverage point.
We gave away scotten out the West, not the US.

(07:01):
We were against the Trump administration said bad idea, and
they were right on. Other nations gave that key bargain
and chip away where that would have given us the
leverage Scott to your point that they'll just go to
another chapter.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
In this yeah, you would think that's the case. Now.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I think it's interesting too that a number of Middle
Eastern countries, significant countries have gotten together to support this
peace plan. Where's Iran on this, because they're the primary
sponsor of the terror we're talking about, or.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
You better believe behind the scenes, they're going to do
everything may can to your point, to continue to arm Hamas,
to continue to support hamas to condition, to disrupt and destabilize,
because remember the long term play on this, Scott is,
this is like a tet offensive strategy. It was never
to defeat Israel or the US or the West. It
was to undermine our legitimacy in the world of publican opinion.

(07:53):
And they're popping the champagne bottles when some of those
countries recognize the Palestinian state. That was wholly ill advised
strategically speaking, to give that away. So so Iran is
definitely behind the scenes, you know, being the puppet map.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But then we just you mentioned the two state solution,
which has been evasive for longer than we've both been alive,
probably combined. Right, is it okay, we've got to recognize
Palestinian statehood. There's a lot of backlash to that. But
doesn't Trump's deal establish Palestinian statehood?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Does some agree?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Well, that remains to be seen. I mean, it's very
clever the way they'd line that up with the conditions
and twenty points.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Sounds like it's going to be a Palestinian country. So
it sounds like well, and.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
I'll tell you this, and this is just strategic genius
of his approach. To rebuild goth in the same way
that that's how we really won World War two. That's
how we lost World War One. We did not rebuild Germany, right,
we did not rebuild it and you know, get rid
of that sentiment of resentment. But we did after World
War II with a Marshall Plan in Europe, and then
of course we did something similar out in Japan. So

(08:58):
it's just strategic genius. So certainly the administration has that
in the back of the map to bring the Arabs
in and help rebuild it. Because you might notice there's
there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for
the Palestinians from the Arab nations writ large. Sometimes there's silence.
Is deafening, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Oh, there's no question about it. There's no question.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I think that you know, there's okay, tremendous pressure
from outside of Iran Middle Eastern countries.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, let's get this thing done.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
At the same time, I just saw this poll over
the weekend that six out of ten US Jews disapprove
of Israel's handling the situation in Gaza, something like four
and ten call it outright genocide. And I think that's
maybe behind the scenes, maybe pushing Israel's hands somewhat. You know,
that's you know, we look at polling numbers and voter
support and things like that. And when a majority of

(09:46):
US Jews are saying, hey, you know it Israel's too
heavy handed with Gaza, I think that does get innat
Yan who's attention to some degree?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Or am I wrong?

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
No, you're exactly right, and that they and again that
plays right into what I call the ted offensive strategy
was an evertent eat them tactically or operational is with
you is exactly what you just articulated to win win
the fight of public opinion, to include with not misinformation disinformation.
So with respect to that, you know, things are not

(10:15):
always what they seem, and what seems to be underreported
is just the brutality of the entire matter, you know,
to start with the slaughter, you know, and now two
years ago, no.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Question, he is retired US Navy Seal Captain ed galleryan
of course, fifth generation farmer in Kentucky. He was a
US Navy Seal team with them seven different teams for
that matter, Decorated Special Ops Task Force Commander, US Army
Ranger War college, and we're talking about what's going on
in the thele least right now and how close we
are to peace. What's your gut say about? This is

(10:46):
just another, just another than the ever evolving ed situations
there between. We we think we have peace this time,
and then at last, what like forty minutes and we
do this all over again, wash with How much more
confident are you in this approach than you were in
previous ones or.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Is it all the same.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
No, I'm much more confident this time. However, Comma, I
do anticipate and I'm certain the administration has built this in.
There's going to be some disruptors. I refer to to
the You know, there's factions within the factions. There's going
to be some hard elements there called true believers. They're
not going to put their weapons down. You got to
factor that in. So it's very likely. And again it's
not a nation state. They do not have, you know,

(11:25):
your your typical vertical chain of command. You know II, sir,
we're going to do this and so forth and so on.
So because of those fractures, you can anticipate there's going
to be some especially with Iran behind the scenes, to
try to disrupt this because Iran does not want this
to happen. They do not want Pete.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Let me pivot to something else. And by the way,
I really believe that this can take hold. I don't
know how Trump doesn't win a Nobel Bright for this,
because that is something that previous presidents and the list
is too long to name, have tried to deal with
to the utmost failure. But something else that's going on
is the president has a policy of executing suspected drug

(12:04):
smugglers by declaring his targets are unlawful combatants are in
their I'm conflict of the United States.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
He's ordered three attacks on speedboats in the Caribbean and
said they're carrying the legal drugs. I think seventeen total
people on those three craft were struck. What's the significance
of that of his order to strike drug boats including
a fourth in the past I believe a fourth in
the past few days for that matter, I said three,
but it's more up to four now from a military

(12:30):
analysts perspective.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
What do you make of this?

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well, remember this I want for the listeners here. My
interest is usually safely in your beds and night. US
national security. So when I put on my US national
security glasses and the lens of it, these operations are
clearly intended as what's called as strategic disruption and destabilization
operation against US. They are gray zone warfare operations to

(12:56):
weaponize the drug trade by our major at a series
primarily China could unpocket strategics, yeah please right. So in February,
the Trump administration designated eight criminal organizations as Gordon Terrorist
Organizations uh AND terrorists, And of the eight, Tunde Aragua

(13:17):
operates primarily out of Venezuela with the support of a
Duro government that gives them sanctuary and stays there and
benefits financially. Reports. Our six other operate out of Mexico
were don't forget. They control reportedly over forty percent of Mexico.
And then there's another that operates throughout Central and South America,
all with the focus of flowing drugs into the United States.

(13:40):
It's what we would call in the War College a
sun Sooo strategy, the indirect approach to conduct brisk rop
disruption operations. So nobody speaking Chinese shows up, you know,
with the bag of drug or suitcase of money. These
people for all intents and purposes, their proxies and their
surrogates in the same way the Hussies Hamas and his
Balla do the same for our Just to remember, at

(14:01):
a strategic level, all over one in eight arrest in
the US is for a drug offense. And gracious that
you know, nearly half the violent crime is somehow connected,
you know, to the whole caval of drugs related gang warfare,
humans trafficking, and weapons trafficing, gun trafficking. So it's to

(14:22):
have a huge impact on us. Now, can I talk
about the military employment of the capabilities down there so
the listeners understand.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, before you do that, though, because I think there
are people going, Okay, well, I get the military angle
this thing. The military gets sent and you do the job.
You've laid out a great case at gel Ryan is
to the wise from you know, the Chinese involvement in
the drug trafficking here in the United States, and of
course the Mexican cartels and everything else and supplies are
coming in from Venezuela, but I think they're pi and
there'll be a constitutional debate about this was just outside

(14:49):
your scope and what federal law dictates and how this
is possible in using the military in this role, but
I think they have maybe the average person listening go, well,
how do we know from a military standpoint where these
boats are headed to because they're fishing vessels, and how
do we know they're actually carrying drugs? I mean, that's
what the government's saying. But the government, whether it's Democrats
or Republicans, we've been told something and lied to before.

(15:12):
So how can American sleepwall night going Okay, are these
really drug or is this about regime change in Venezuela?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
A great question, and let me segue right into that.
Well you might remember you also sent me to the
Naval fust Graduate School to get any master's degree in
operational intelligence. Right, here's what you can count on, and
I'm glad you asked that question for the listeners. The
US is certainly employing a broad range of intelligence capabilities
from space to undersea to detect and track this drug

(15:41):
transportation network. And we're talking satellites, aircraft, ships, submarines and
other special capabilities that far exceed the classification of this
conversation to identify literally where the drugs are originating from
and where they're going to. And so rest assured there's
not some sailor out there saying, oh, there's a fast boat,

(16:01):
let's hit at oh no serybod. They've been tracking that
target from its origin with those those base of the
contraband and it's a very deliberate and technical operation by
military professionals and now just an open source and that's
all we're going to talk about here today because I
violate my security parance. We've got multiple Navy warships with

(16:23):
advanced capabilities to collect. We've got the Paight aircraft down
there that collect both on surface and undersea activities, their
advanced reconnaissance aircraft. We've got other rotary wing assets down there.
We've got federal capabilities. We have a fast attack submarine.
Why they have very special collection capabilities that are advanced

(16:45):
in their technical ability to track precisely the movement of
surface craft. So we have a whole group of things
brought together and you can guarantee guaranteed the technical aspects
of that are being applied for the targeteers. Then it
goes to the leadership to determine if it's met that
threshold that we have confirmed there we are in fact

(17:07):
running drugs. And I could also have to add this.
I was the last commanding officer of the Overseas Navy
Seal Team operating out of the Panama Canal Zone. I
was responsible for all such operations for seals and naval
special warfare in Central and South America until the time
that we gave the canal back in nineteen ninety. As such,

(17:28):
I supported federal agencies, Coast Guard, DEA, others in counter
drug operations. We were doing this decades ago. The difference
was we did not have the freedom of action to
use all the national capabilities to identify and track. And
then the key part was when it came time to season,

(17:50):
we basically had two hands tied behind our back because
a policy, well, the policies changed. Now the administration has
recognized the clear and present danger to our national security
that they pose to us, and that they're released there
gets in proxies of our adversaries. Folks were at the
most dangerous point in our history. And i'd offer since

(18:11):
pre World War Two, when you lay down the broad
conters and these drugs are being used by one of
the fourforcement of the apocalypse in this case China, right
to destabilize us. I mean and remember just one other thing,
if I could, Scott, when we hit that third boat,
what also occurred in the same timeframe, two Chinese ships
were intercepted with major loads or precursors coming to the

(18:35):
drug cartels.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
That's what and that's what needs to be highlighted on
this too. And this is the concert.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
John. I get the end.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I respect the constitutional argument for it, but what's the
bigger play? And that's the message that we need to articulate.
He's Captain Ed Golran, US Navy Seals and Army ranger
and farmer in Kentucky, fifth generation farmer. So I know
you got work to do on the farm and we'll
get a time out of I always appreciate the insights, sir, God.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Blessed, Thank you, thank you, Yes, sir, good day.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Before the rain hits. Get her done, Get her done.
We got to get a news update in very latest
done this and what else is happening here locally on
the Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred W. Well back to
the grind Scott Sloan seven hundred WW.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm with you, man, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Just had Captain Ed gallryin on add the former US
Navy seal Army Ranger team leader. And I think this
guy he is a an American badass, no doubt about it,
with some unique insight, and still he still has access
to the things that most of us don't have access to. Uh,
you know in recap here with the conversation, I missed it.

(19:40):
You can catch that in the podcast. On the podcast,
I should say, right after the show be the iHeartRadio app.
And you know, I get the debate. As a libertarian,
I get it. I get the constitutional debate on why
we're blowing up and if we should be blowing up ships.
We're not engaged in an act of war technically with
these nations and so of Venezuela and shipping vessels that

(20:02):
are just off the coast that were blowing up. I
see the constitutional argument there, and this is something that's
going to be debated for some time, there's no question
about it. But I also get the clear and present danger.
Look relative to China, who's driving this whole thing. We
are already seen with well TikTok for example, and other
platforms like that. How do they use our free nature,

(20:24):
our First Amendment, and our liberties, our constitutional liberties are
God granted liberties. Against us. They figured out the formula
secret sauce to defeat. It is not you know, they're
not gonna be launching missiles and invading us with foreign
armies as generation's past fear and the Cold War. Rather,
they're going to do it by using us against each other,
dividing us. And we seem pretty divided right now. Right,

(20:48):
How is that any different that we're talking about with
this war on drugs? And it's not the drugs as much,
because let's face it, you know, we have a really
good appetitis Americans, some of us more than others for drugs.
Those of us who look down the nose that the
recreational drug user have no problem having on know, three
or four martinis or cocktails on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

(21:11):
Sunday night got the drug, and so all of us
have something. And you know, let's face it, we enjoy beer,
we enjoy in Bourbon country, we enjoy bourbon. How much
different is that then? I don't know, marijuana and marijuanas
mayde well, how much different is that than someone who
uses heroin or cocaine?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
And you know, again that line moves.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
We have a pretty good appetite, we establish a good
baseline for recreational drugs in America, we're the ones that
are demanding those drugs come across our shores. Are they
polluting us and destroying us? Absolutely destroying our communities. We
saw with what happened with the opiate crisis that was
manufactured by wild government policies and the government themselves, and
then they cut the spickt off and now these people

(21:50):
are dependent on opiate's had to turn the street drugs.
And that's something that's created by even our own system
of government here and the way we do things in America,
right or wrong, that's how things are. And the Chinese
seek to say, hey, you know what, Americans like you know,
get caught with some of the drugs we're talking about
in China. See how that works out for you. It
won't here in America. We tolerate it as they free
and open society. They use it against This, to me

(22:13):
is another nuance in that in that war, in that
war of mind and ideology, and I think Ed brought
some really good points up with that. As far as
you're going, well, why are we blowing up these shipping vessels?
How do we know that they're actually drug We got
to take the government's word. Well, at some point you
have to take the government sword for it. We've been
lied to in the past, there's no doubt about it.
But it doesn't mean that there's not intent there to

(22:35):
try and change this dynamic. It's really made an interesting
constitutional debate, that's for sure. I don't know why I
watched the Bengals games. I don't know, because you kind
of know what's going to happen. Is it like a
car wreck at this point? Do you hope against all
hope things are going to be different? It wasn't I know,

(22:55):
the score. It's one of those games in the classic
goes well, the score wasn't as close. It was real
law as that's so true in this game. What thirty
seven to twenty four? The Bendo's lost three straight now
at the hand of Jake Browning and not really how
much of this is Jake brown and the quarterback And
let's they said three touchdowns three interceptions in the street.
Touchdowns didn't come until the fourth quarter when it was over. Yeah,

(23:17):
you know, I don't think anyone outside of maybe that
locker room, and I'm gonna guess that if you were
to survey the conscience of your typical Bengals player that
they don't have any confidence in Jake Browning either. I
don't know how much Jake Browning hits confidence in Jake
Browning at this point, and he's saying that he just
needs to play better. Well, you know, I would. There's

(23:37):
a lot of things I'd like to be. I just
don't wake up when they go, Okay, I I am,
I'm taller, I'm better looking. I weigh you know, fifteen
pounds less. I can you go on and on?

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
All of us do that? You know, wishing and wanting
isn't reality. I think this is the best you're going
to get out of Jake Browning. And I wonder how
many Bengals fans after this loss. I've completely written the scene.
I would suggest many, simply because yesterday was supposed to
be a stripe the Jungle game at pay Corps, which
basically means, and it's kind of cool concetantly see in

(24:08):
the past where you know, one section is orange, the
next section is black, the section's orange, the section is black,
and it looks like you know, the pay course game
and stripe, provided you do a couple of things. One
of them is fill the stadium. The other two is
win games so that you can guarantee that that is
a home crowd.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
There.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
The problem was, and a lot of those tickets were
sold ahead of time. A lot of those people sold
those tickets on the secondary market to Lions fans. So
it was kind of a weird sea of black and orange,
but a hell of a lot of Hawaiian blue and white. Yeah,
it didn't. It would look more like a spotted jungle Martin.
Looked like an FC game with the orange, the orange

(24:47):
and blue.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
And that was a mess yesterday.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
And uh, I know that the coach Taylor and company
is gonna tell you, well, you know, we're gonna work
on some stuff. We gotta tune some stuff up, we
gotta get some stuff done. I don't know if you
going to go to Green Bay and roll a Green
Bay Packer team with what they have up there at
lambeau Field. I don't see that. I think I gotta
have four straight losses. But that's why they played the

(25:11):
game yesterday. Was upset Sunday in the NFL. So all right,
we invested enough time in the Bengals. Later on the show,
James or peenill be here to chop that up as
heading the lunch hour final developments or injuries and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Anyway, I'll tell you had a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
You may go, wow, we got all this bad news, Sloani,
the Bengals are terrible, the Reds are out of it.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Is there any good news? I'll tell you had a
great weekend.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Taylor Swift The Life of a Showgirl two point seven
million copies on opening day.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
One point.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
How about this one, if you're old, one point two
million vinyl albums in the first week. She did over
a million vinyl albums, which you look at that is
a it's a it's a it's a modern record. You know,
vinyl hasn't been relevant. And since vinyl was vinyl, what

(26:01):
back before compact this came along and now everything's digital
and digital downloads of course. So yeah, forty and by
the way, the album launch release, the film of the
album launch release forty six million at the box office.
Taylor Swift had an incredibly good weekend. Good for Taylor Swift.
I know people were up at eleven fifty nine fifty

(26:22):
nine to get on and download the copy of her
of Life of a showgirl. I think it's what like
forty two minutes. At some point I'll hear some of
the songs. I don't think I'm glad I appreciate her music.
I appreciate she does, and it's one of those dealser.
I don't know the albums and I don't know the
song names, but I know a few of the songs.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
And go, yeah, it's good product.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
She definitely she hits a niche in the show, as
we saw when she came to Cincinnati, even if you're
not a swifty, I don't think you have to be
a swifty to appreciate her music and what she does.
Even though you know, we kind of get tired of
seeing her every time at Kansas City Chiefs game is on,
and the way the Chiefs have been playing, there's less
like the hood in seeing that again. Nonetheless, she certainly,
you know, when she came here, I was incredible to

(27:05):
see the what it was. I think, why there's two
night show, and then I think two days before so
on like a Tuesday or Wednesday, her merch bus came
in and there's a line across the suspension bridge where
people backed up to get a turn to buy eighty
dollars t shirts, which is amazing. I mean, that's that's
that's incredible. There's the power of it, and the vibe

(27:26):
I guess is positive and stuff. So not a Swifty
by firing and certainly no maybe a few of her songs,
but not gonna rush out.

Speaker 7 (27:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I do know people getting up at midnight to download
so they could listen to Taylor. I'm like, you know,
it's not a live show. It'll still it's seven, eight, nine,
ten o'clock in the morning, even it'll still be new
to your ears. But hey, you know what, we get
excited for football. I get excited for football. Some people
get scored for Taylor Swift. It's all good. Speaking of
the NFL, real quick, this is the most bizarre story

(27:54):
of the weekend.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I don't know if you've heard about this.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Remember Mark Sanchez kind of like the joke of the
NFL when you've had about out with the He was
quarterback in the Saint No the Saints the Jets at
the time. He's an NFL analyst now and he was
in Indianapolis for the game there and he is now
under arrest. He got pepper sprayed after being stabbed multiple
times during a late night altercation with a sixteen annual

(28:18):
truck driver. And I guess the story goes Sanchez was
there's a box truck driver backed up to the hotel
loading dock to unload stuff at late at night, I guess,
And so for some reason Sanchez, who I'm told is
like a great guy, the truck driver felt threatened and
pulled out pepper spray, and when that didn't work, and
Sanchez came after him, the driver saw a look at

(28:40):
his eyes and said, I think he's going to kill me.
So he pulled out his knife and stabbed the dude.
Stabbed Sanchez two or three times as the truck driver
is thrown against a dumpster and out of the ground.
Apparently there is a video of this because it was
at a hotel in the loading dock, which most as
surely is gonna have a camera. Sanchez suffered multiple stab
roounds to his white Torso he's in the hospital where
he was arrested on Saturday, and he said, I don't

(29:02):
remember much except for grabbing for a window, and I
don't know who stabbed me and what happened, and so
was he really really hammered? Was he on something or
is you know, is it gonna get back in one
of those CTE things. It was the most the weird,
most bizarre story of the weekend. Like you know, like
Mark's a former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez who is a
broadcaster now for CBS under arrest for assaulting a truck

(29:26):
driver in a late night melle a night or two before.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
That is just weird.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I wont to hear the normally you do these games,
before you do these games, and you go, okay, I
got a per diem. I got you know, I could
go out and run the streets a little bit, but
I still have a job to do, you know, the
next day or whatever. And I not that guy. He
was all in on it all in all in What
else is going on? Remember when the egg crisis was

(29:54):
going off for I was a hot minute and no
one could get eggs in the price of a dozen
eggs for like thirty five And we had a big
egg crisis, and then that went away because there was
a chicken disease and beef prices are the new egg.
So beef price is at a record high because we
have a couple of things going on. We have a
drought that left the cattle inventory at the lowest level

(30:14):
since nineteen fifty one. And this is resulting in pricing
increases for steak and ground beef. And of course we
also have our friend inflation. We'll may get of this
more tomorrow morning because on Tuesdays eleven thirty five, Andy
Schaeffer from all Worth jumps in, I'm gonna asking about
beef prices, and the BLS comes up with the Consumer
Price Index. It showed a surgeon beef prices over last year.

(30:36):
Ground beef prices by the way, up thirteen percent year
over year. SAM for roasts and steak. Steak was sixteen
and a half percent higher. So if you're going to
Rubies or Tony's or wherever you go for your steaks,
you are going to pay a significant amount more. And
if you go occasionally to a finer steakhouse, as I
enjoy from time to time, everything went the limits and

(30:57):
budget limits at that. No, it's not long ago that
they move from you know, having the price on the
menu to market price now on like ribot. It's that expensive.
They don't know what the price is going to wind
up being. So we had a drought that happened if
a few years ago and they lost all their grass
out in Kansas in the southeast and Oklahoma, Texas, et cetera.

(31:20):
And when that happens, you got a liquid eight cows.
And now we have fewer CAUs, lowest cow inventory since
nineteen fifty one. So be nice to cows, even more
ammunition for our friends at Chick fil a. There you go,
there you go. Also, finally, today the Supreme Court is
going to get back in session. And I always find
that stuff interesting to the elements of law and what
the courts can hear in this case they are they

(31:42):
agreed yesterday to decide whether they're going to hear this
whether states can borrow people from carrying guns on private
property that'd be stored to be hotels without the property
Doinger's explicit permission, and this has the case. This is
out of Hawaii, by the way, one of five Democratic
led states that enacted restrictions on concealed carry. So yeah,
I look at this, and I you went, Okay, that's
a why that's a liberal state. We're deep read, We're Ohio,

(32:05):
we're Kentucky, we're Indy, and we don't have to worry
about this kind of do. And I'll back it up
a little bit to a more current event. Can Kobra'll
be here with a sensey fop on our probation violation
problems and that has to do with young people getting
weapons under disability meaning you're not allowed to have them
because you're either underage or you at a prior felony conviction,
or maybe a combination of both, and how things are
screwed up there. But you know, that's a great question,

(32:28):
is all right, how are younger people? How are people
getting their guns? You know, we had these straw purchasers
thing where someone would go in illegally, of course, go
to a gun store or a supply or buy a
whole bunch of guns and then turn around and sell
them to the people who they know should not have guns.
That's called a straw purchase, meaning you're buying it for
someone else and you're buying a bunch of them and
making sure the criminal element has guns. Still goes on.

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But one of the big things we sear locally, we
hear a lot from police officers is the number of
people in Cincinnati who will bring a gun, exercise their
Second Amendment rights and then realize Hey, I can't take
this in this establishment because they're signed up that says
gun for his own, so I must leave it my vehicle.
And they leave the gun in the vehicle, and what

(33:10):
what's happening is someone breaks into said vehicle steals the gun.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
And that is happening.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
And people are leaving guns and cars so often now
that it has become the de facto way that younger people,
street criminals and the like are getting weapons. They're simply
breaking the cars and Stealingules's why I have the high
level break ins. I think while the number of shootings
in downtown Cincinnati and OTR and like have gone down,
the number of property crimes, specifically car break ins and

(33:35):
the like have gone up almost fifty percent. Because that's
what they're doing, is they're looking for this stuff. So
the Supreme Court is going to hear this case and
involves bringing those guys bringing your gun onto private property,
which to me, for a long time has been you know,
I never understood that, like I legally could open carry
when we had opened the open carry concealed carry laws

(33:56):
in Ohio. Okay, if I had a gun on me
and I displayed it and hand it on my waistband
and you can see it. I can take that, you know,
to stores wherever.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
But if I.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Concealed carry, meaning you can't see it, only I know
it's there, somehow, that's illegal. That's seems the most asked
backward with me is you know a couple of things.
I get that, lawfully, you could open carry. I disagree
with that as a gun owner myself. And second memic guy,
is that what you're doing is you're just scaring people.
You know, you're going I have a consols right. You

(34:26):
do have a consul right to carry that gun. I
get that, But the idea is you're a so pro
gun that you're going to show the world I have
a weapon on me. There are people carrying you know,
long guns, and what does that do? So you get
people who are scared of guns, which you have a
right to be scared, and justlike guns, I get that.
All you do is now now you get them all
worked up in the froth. And if you're doing it
for a reaction, okay, if you're just doing that toatrol,

(34:49):
all right, but that's not really helping the clause. You're
just making more people want to create laws to protect
what it is you're doing or against what you're doing.
You know, in this case, I never understood if I'm
carrying concealed then I walk into plat theater, for example,
I walk in a theater with a gun, that's illegal.
I can't do that because they've got to sign up.
And I'm like, how would they know that I have

(35:11):
a gun on me if I'm responsible and I'm carrying
it and I'm not leaving them the seat and it's
not falling out of my pocket or something, or I
left it, you know, on top of a toilet tank
in the theater. That's none of your business what I
have on my person. You know, we don't have We
don't treat people with drug paraphernalia the same. You know,
I'm sure that you may be carrying some sort of
contraband on you. It's not like, you know, if it

(35:33):
falls out if you're doing a transaction. Different story. But
then I don't understand how that affects them at all,
Seemingly here, if I decide I want to walk in
a place that says we're probably anti gun, and I
have a concealed weapon on me carrying, and it could
be an ankle holster, it could be in my waistband,
could be a I don't know, I got a suit
jacket on and got a shoulder holster or something like
how would you know? You wouldn't as long as I'm

(35:54):
extremely careful jacket on or something like that. To me,
it just seemed like the most overreaching law ever. And
I'm glad the Supreme Court's finally going to hear about this,
or at least maybe to side. And we probably have
an idea, although you can't always guarantee what they're gonna do,
how the Court's gonna side with this thing, and that
would to me restore some sanity in this whole thing. Anyway,
let me get a time out in. We've got to

(36:14):
get a news update and find out what's going on NW.
Do we finally having some wet weather moving in, maybe
a chance with a sprinkle I think this morning, a
sprinkle this morning, but mainly tomorrow full forecast in the
way traffic. Chuck will get you updated there in the
Legs and news. And then Ken Kober here from the
FOP running return about the probation violation problem. We have
another issue that's developed over the last couple of days.
If you don't know now you will. We'll get into

(36:36):
that with him right after news on the Home of
the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WLWD Cincinnati. Real issues
in the streets of Cincinnati. So from even before, well
before our attention was called to the murder of Patrick Herringer, Uh,
we had a problem in our city. And we've now
established this as a trend and it doesn't seem to

(36:59):
reverse anytime soon. And this has to do with the
juvenile justice in the streets in the city of Cincinnati
and the streets of Cincinnati, and what we can do
to prevent people who shouldn't be out from gaining access
to guns and committing even more atrocities while they're being
protected by law, or they should be on at least
community controls. The case will be. I know it is

(37:19):
a tired and exhausting story, but it feels like, on
a relatively regular basis, we have another story that comes out.
It illustrates the absurdity and the problems with juvenile justice,
in particular in the city of Cincinnati. He has Ken
Kober with the Cincinnati FOP, joining the show once again
this morning on seven hundred w DOW. Good morning, Ken,
how are.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
You Hey, good morning Scott, thanks for having doing well.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Brian COLEMs had the story on Friday. He broke this
about eighteen year old Devon Marcus and Marcus was on
probation when he murdered sixteen year old TJ. Bell near
Grant Parking over the Rhine. That was about mid September,
So a cup just a couple of weeks ago, two
three weeks ago, this past weekend, TJ's family and tell
the vigil. Now, keep in mind a fourteen year old
girl was also shot. She wasn't killed as TJ was,

(38:06):
but one of his runs when the TJ's frinds was
shot last week along with a twelve year old. And
so at this vigil that was a topic conversation. Not
only was TJ Bell, you know, honoring his memory, but
also had to deal with the fact one of his
friends was shot along with a twelve year old. And
you know, we've seen this story happen repeatedly, and not
just teens. We had the thirty year old of Krishana

(38:27):
Winn who was shot and killed on Republic Streets seeming
the mind run a business mother of five and she
got caught in the crossfire. You know, it's one thing
to point out, Hey, Patrick Hearinger, we're gonna get serious
about this. But we've had in since the murder of
Pat Herringer, we've had judge after judge after judge repeat
those sins that have caused even more death destruction than
ayem in the streets in Cincinnati. It doesn't seem like

(38:49):
they've got the message.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
Kit No, no, you're you're absolutely right. And you know,
until we get some judges that are going to be
tough on crime and lock people up and get back
to being pro on order, pro public safety, unfortunately, things
like this are going.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
To continue to happen. All right, Well, let's talk about that.
In the case of Markham. Here, I'm looking at the narrative. Here,
I'm looking at actually the order from the judge in
this case that when he was this is going with
community control starting in July eighth for two years, he said,
during my probation period, I will conduct and this is
the Markham guy, I will conduct myself properly, addressed appropriately

(39:25):
when reporting an answer accurate all questions asked by probation personnel.
I'll make every reasonable effort during my probationary appear to
maintain a job or participate in education of vocational training.
I shall report to my probation office such a time
and place as often as the Adult Probation Department of
the Court may require. Failure to do so could be
a basis of revocation or probation. I understand the special
conditions ordered by the court will be enforced by the

(39:47):
probation department treatment if eligible. And he agreed to this.
The court agreed that the probation officers and the judge
signed off on this whole thing because he was convicted
of carying keel and sealed weapon. That's a fourth degree felony,
and he shouldn't have been having one at that time.
And yet the men and he agreed to all the stuff.
He knew that he wasn't going to bude by any
of this, and then just a few weeks later he

(40:08):
winds up murdering someone. How common is that in Cincinnati?

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Unfortunately, it's all are too common that this occurs. I mean,
it's just assumed that if you get arrested and you
get convicted of carrying a concealed weapon, you get convicted
of weapons under disability, which means that you weren't even
eligible to carry a gun anyway, These people are getting probation,
and then you wonder why they turn around while they're
in probation they end up killing somebody. It's like, these

(40:36):
things are just the court system has got to take
somebody who gets convicted of carrying a concealed weapon or
weapons under disability.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
They need to go to prison. They just have to.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
That's the only way that they're going to be able
to make a dent in the shootings.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, the Chiefs Association of Hamlin County, why did they
have a round table and get judges and all the
stakeholders involved, law enforcement people like yourself, Ken Kober. Judges said, well,
we can't do that. That violate our jujitial ethics or
something like that, which but in the past they've had
roundtables for you know, getting the vote out and things
like that, and so I guess it's the selective audiences

(41:10):
which you want. I could understand if this had pre
dated the murder of Patrick Herringer, But that felt like
a turning point for our city. That was a watershed
moment in that people finally said, hey, listen, we've got
to get tougher on juveniles. We've got to get tougher
on people who violate the terms of their probation. And
yet at the same time, these judges continue to repeat
that same behavior over and over again. Has anyone you

(41:32):
know in your officer, yourself, or have you talked to
someone and said, well, where's it? Where's the judges coming
from us? I would love to talk to a judge,
maybe even off the record, why are you guys doing this?
And seemingly you can't find an answer. That's problematic?

Speaker 7 (41:46):
Oh absolutely, I mean, we certainly know the judges at
the courthouse that are that are pro public safety, prolong
and order, and then you have judges that want to
follow this nonsense bail reform. They want to be soft
on crime, and unfortunately, it's about fifty to fifty right
now in the courthouse. There's a fifty percent chance if
you go in front of the judge that they're going
to lock somebody up. And unfortunately, the other part of

(42:09):
that fifty percent is the ones that they don't care
they're going to put you on probation, they are going
to refuse to send you to prison for certain crimes.
And that's that's been the problem. That's what people have
to realize that's the cops are. The cops are arresting people,
the prosecutor's office are prosecuting people, and then we have
judges that just let them out put them on probation,
and then we sit here and wonder why these things
are still happening.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the number of shootings are
down according to the statistics. But the problem is is,
you know, Ken Cobert, the FOP, these are kids, and
that means it's their high profile. They're all high profile,
and the victims are seemingly innocent bystanders. That's the thing
you can look at. The metrics is a to have
pureval who wants people's votes coming up in just a
couple of weeks, wants them to believe that the shooting

(42:50):
numbers are down. But the problem, of course is, look,
Luca's getting jammed up. I don't know if there's anything
on TJ and what the beef was between the von
Markham and TJ Bell, but from everyone who've talked to
so far, it seems like he was just in the
wrong place, wrong time, as was Krishan. To win these
are this is just the nature of innocent people getting

(43:11):
jammed up in this stuff. I think that's what puts
these crimes over the top.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
Sure, And just this past week, the same place where
that murder happened, right there at Grant Park, there's a
fourteen and the sixteen year old that was shot, and
yet another drive by shooting in the exact same area.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Are these people you know?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I know you can't tip your hand and what you know, ken,
but are these known to the shooters? Are they aiming
for someone else? We know that was the case with
Krishan to Win, won't know with these other ones.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
Well, that's what hasn't been quite determined yet as to
whether or not. I mean, they believe that there's a
specific reason why shootings are happening in this location, but
whether the victims were actually targeted or not targeted is
what they're still trying to figure out, which is why
we need people to be calling crime stoppers. You have
to give us tips. That way we can solve these crimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, I mean it still doesn't make it right.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
But the idea that somehow, well you know, the crime
not ooting numbers are down, Yeah, but when you have
kids out there, and I would consider someone who's sixteen
years older kid, twelve year old, fourteen year old victims,
that that's an atrocity that should not be happening, and
it is, and it's also entirely preventable because these are
people who are ready in the costody of the Juvenile
Justice Department, who were released and their own recognizance essentially

(44:19):
saying hey, you know what, just report to your probation officer,
get a job. Well, you know, I think that's the
other element of this ken And we know that council's
approved recently another four and a half million dollars in
funding for police.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Is there money there?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And can you talk about to some degree what the
funding is for the probation department and making sure that
when someone violates that we've got to get them sooner
rather than later.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
How does that change?

Speaker 7 (44:44):
Well, we saw what they just did with probation, especially
with the adult probation. We got rid of all the
substations out in neighborhoods. You know, now's you're just going
to have to report here. You know my opinion, those
are things that are handcuffing the police. They're handcuffing probation officers.
It's kind of just a slap in the face to
the whole idea of probation. And I do know that

(45:05):
there are some judges that I've spoken with that are
absolutely furious. They're like, the question, how do I put
somebody on probation if we know that it's likely they're
not going to be held accountable.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, it's one thing, it's one thing for the judge. Okay,
here's the order, here's the thing. And you assume the
probation Department's going to follo up, and I know that
they're overworked and underpaid. That is the cry of probation
officers all over. It's a hard jove. It really is
a hard job. But when you don't have the resources
to be able to do your job, it just emboldens
criminals even more. They know they can lie and get
away with it. I often talk about someone who cuts
their monitoring device off, an ankle monitor. It seems to

(45:38):
me and I always thought that this is the case,
but it's not that Literally, shouldn't there be alarm bells
going off someone cut their ankle monitor off. We're going
to put a bolo out to you guys. You men
and women in the thin blue line can go pick
them up immediately because it means they're probably going to
do something that's bad, but instead it's more like, well, well,
I guess if we running them on the street or something,
we'll pick them up maybe, but probably not.

Speaker 7 (45:58):
That's got to change, Yeah, I mean, I mean, they're
certainly not cutting off an ANQULEI monitor because they want
to work over time at their job or because they're
going to church. They're doing it because they don't want
to be tracked, because they are going to go out
and could commit additional crimes. And you're right, I mean,
there there should be a plan in place for this
that if it gets cut off, they are immediately immediately

(46:19):
being sought for.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
How do you fix that?

Speaker 7 (46:21):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Is it more money for probation departments? Is it funneling
some of that money to make sure that we've got
enough bodies to go get those folks who violate?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
What? How would you fix this?

Speaker 4 (46:30):
kN I mean.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
That's obviously probably a better question for the folks that
work in the probation department, But uh, you know, I
do know some probation officers, and I can tell you
it seems like times, just like police, we don't have
enough people, we don't have enough tools to do our
job and until there's really a commitment to making probation work. Unfortunately,
we're gonna we're gonna see more stories like this just
because they are they're underworked, they don't always have the

(46:55):
resources that they need to be able to accomplish these things.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
All right now, you heard about them, and we've talked
about that before with you, and that is closing in decentralized.
I guess centralizing more of the operations. I always thought
like decentralization, we kind of want that. We want people
out on the streets. We want people on caseworkers to
be out there to make sure they're making contact with
these people who are jammed up in the juvenile system.

(47:18):
But that went away. Something else that's going on. It's
called Senate Bill two seventy, and Senate Bill two seventy
is going to raise the minimum age for state commitment.
That means you're going to we're going to raise that
the commitment for youth services from ten to fourteen years old,
as well as discretion for gun cases and protecting more
first time non violent offenders and the like.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 7 (47:39):
It's crazy, it's going the opposite direction of what we're
trying to accomplish. You have victims, and you have shooters
that are getting younger and younger and younger. So to
say that, all, well, he's only thirteen, we know he
shot somebody, but we're not so sure that we can
actually put him in dys because of this, I mean,
that bill is absolutely crazy. You know, I've read through
the whole thing. If it actually gets out of the Senate,

(48:02):
I certainly hope that the house side of things in
Ohio are going to make the right decision and make
sure that this doesn't this doesn't become a wall, because
I mean, we are having such a problem not only
in Hamilton County but across the state of Ohio, having
problems with youth offenders that are violent, committing violent, terrible
crimes that are eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. And to

(48:22):
say that we can't get them out of our community
because of an age, it's just it's very misguided. I
can't believe something like this would come out of Ohio.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
FOP President Can Cobra. Isn't that how criminal enterprise works,
is that gangs in particular, that you get younger people
who under that legal age of adulthood to commit the
crimes because you know they're not going to serve significant
time in an adult lockup. That that's why they're recruited
in the first place. Isn't that still true today?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (48:49):
Absolutely, that's why. I mean you look, you walk down
the street at night. Adults fear these juveniles and they
rightfully so, they fear juveniles more than they fear young
adults here that are twenty one, twenty two, twenty three
walking around, because these young juveniles are are certainly driving
the violent crime in Cincinnati, and they are reckless when

(49:09):
they do it.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And that and this also adds to them or property crimes.
I know that the number of shootings have gone down,
as we've talked about, but the number of break ins
a is up, like it's like forty seven percent in
over the Rhine alone, correct.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Yeah. And so I was just talking to an aulstar
this morning that during the Bengals game, they had some
juveniles breaking into cars. Luckily they catch the two that
were the main culprits, and one of them had a
stolen gun that he had just stolen from a vehicle,
had it on him, so thankfully that was at least
able to be recovered. But that would have been yet
another gun running around in some juvenile's hands.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
That's also part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I've talked about this before, is that you go to Cincinnati,
maybe a work, you play, you do business there, for example,
go to a Bengal game. Now I may get out
and I may have a fear for my safety. And
the more we have these conversations with juveniles doing what
they do, you go, well, you know what, I don't
want to become a victim. I don't want to become
a statistic I don't want to be the next pack carringer.
I don't do the next TJ.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Bell. I may, I.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
May lose, but at least I got a fighting chance
if I have my gun with me. Unfortunately, you can't
take them in a lot of places, and so people
leave them in their car.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
And now the number.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Of people, because it's like it's self fulfilling prophecy, the
more perception, the more reality we have, more crime downtown,
the more people bring guns with them, which causes more
young people to break in the cars.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
No, without a doubt, I mean that's what we're seeing.
That's why it's so important. You know, Now with technology today,
you can get any vehicle, and you can get a
gun safe that can be fitted to your vehicle, whether
it's in your console or trump whatever. There are ways
to secure these guns to make it at least a
whole lot harder. They just thrown it under your seat
or thrown it in your glove box. Because these kids,

(50:44):
they know what they're doing. They're targeting certain vehicles that
they believe are likely going to have firearms out, and
they're successful.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I've said this before, Ken, and maybe the first time
to you. I you know, I have weapons. My wife
and I have guns. I can steal carry. That is
no longer the law in Ohio. That gets a good thing. However,
I make sure if I'm carrying them in Cincinnati wherever
it might be, and I can't bring a weapon with me,
that I will put it in a lock box. I'll
make sure it's safe and sound and locked up and

(51:14):
quite honestly, like we did with trigger locks. I think,
and I know some people are going to cringe at this,
because again it's going after the law abiding people to
protect us from the legal element out there. But I
think it should be codified that if you have a
gun with you and you've got to lock it in
your car. You just can't put it in your glove box,
your console, or in your seat or in a seatback.
You have to lock it in a safe if it's

(51:35):
inside your car, and I think there's got to be
some enforcement with that as well. It doesn't mean that
someone's not going to try to break into your car
to steal it, but there'll be deterrent there. The more
people that lock these things up, the less that people
are going to go, Okay, well it's not so easy
pickings anymore to go get a gun out of a car.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Unfortunately. I think something like that has to happen. You
agree or disagree, No, I agree.

Speaker 7 (51:56):
I mean there has to be there. There's got to
be a fine line between funishing somebody who's a victim
of a fet from auto. But also you have to
be a responsible gun owner, you know, even if you
look at it just just from the sheer moral aspect
of it. You know, if I had a gun stolen
out on one of my vehicles and it was using
a crime.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I would feel terrible about that.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
Yeah, So to take extra steps to make sure that
your gun doesn't fall into the hands of wrong people,
I don't I don't think that's too much to ask,
but I think it certainly is crossing the line when
you go, well, if you don't do this kind of
the city, try to do this, we're gonna we're gonna
charge you with a crime. Well, that doesn't really make ut.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, it's hard to enforce it in the senses like,
wait a minute, someone broke into my car stole the gun,
and you know they they were out already on community
control and they stole a gun from my current commerdered someone.
Now I'm in trouble for what they did. That doesn't
mean that's not going to wash with a lot of people,
which is which would be difficult in order to get
some sort of legislation like that pass. But damn it
a hopefully it's not full on deaf ears. If you

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have a gun with you, you gotta have some sort of
locke device on it. People say, well, they'll still bring
bolt cutters. They still they might, but typically these are
crimes of opportunity that if they see something locked up,
they're not going to take the time to try and
get that box out. They're going to move on to
lower hanging fruit.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Correct, No, without a doubt, and they are specifically targeting
vehicles for guns. I mean there might be ten windows
broken out in a parking lot, and you know, you'll
have sunglasses, you'll have cell phones, whatever, they won't take them.
They're specifically looking for guns, and they want to do
it as quickly as they can so they don't get caught.
So if you make it harder for them, they're likely

(53:29):
going to pass and just go to the next vehicle.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
A you're old enough also to remember when people with
young people would break into cars are still stereos seed
changers and things like that, And now because of digital technology,
they don't want the radio anymore. They don't want the
spare change, they don't want the sunglasses. They want the guns.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
Right, that's all. They're looking for guns.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I don't know what you can do again to tie
the hands of law abiding people to prevent younger lawbreakers
from breaking into cars, But it feels like something like
this has to be debated, maybe the legislative level. I'm
not quite sure. But there's your problem right there. Oh,
the Supreme Court is here in cases starting. I don't
know if they's going to start today with the Hawaii
case regarding your being lawful to bring a concealed weapon

(54:12):
or gun on private property as a sign that said
you're not allowed to bring it there to me. That
that also would solve maybe some of this.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Well sure it would. But the ultimate, the biggest piece
of this is holding these people accountable when they break
in a car and steal your gun, hold them accountable
for it. Send I don't care if you got to
send them to prison, Send them to go to dys
for juveniles. That will also curb some of this if
they know that there's a consequence for their behavior.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
And right now there's just not. Yeah, there's not at
this point.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
And you know, judges, you'd think that the wake up
call would have been the murder of Patrick Henringer. But
we've just outlined at least a handful of probably a
couple good cases that have occurred since the murder of
Pat Herringer where younger people are getting a lot let
out who've had gun specifications going all right, well, you
got to report to your probation officer, you got to
get it job. And when this case, when this Markham guy,

(55:03):
Devon Markham not only didn't report twice but also never
got a job. It wasn't until the murder of TJ. Bell,
where he was apprehended weeks after that that we found
out what the story with this guy was. He shouldn't
have been out there in the first place. Another classic
example of it. And this didn't happen before the death
of Pat Heringer. It happened after. And we've had several
cases like this so far. That's the thing is, hey,

(55:26):
you know, we need to change our ways because look
what happened in this tragedy, and now the tragedies are
being repeated seemingly maybe every other couple of weeks.

Speaker 7 (55:35):
Now, No, you're absolutely right. I mean, how many times
do we see how many times do we see that
the suspect was on probation, they violated probation, They've done this,
they've done that. It's like these these aren't first time
offenders that are waking up when you know what, I
feel like I want to kill in somebody, that I'm
gonna shoot somebody. Yeah, these are all people that you
could predict that they were going to be escalating their
crimes too. Eventually when they get charged with murder and

(55:56):
then you know, then it's too late. We got a
life that's lost, We got somebody that's going to spend
the next twenty thirty years in prison. You know, if
we would have done something to begin with you before
it even got to there, maybe we would be at
a better place.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
No question.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
He is a Hamilton. I'm sorry, he's the Cincinnati FOP
president at BEI Ken Gober on the show this morning
on seven hundred, wwwas I appreciate that I can stay safe.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Thanks again, thanks for revingy Scott. All right, all the best.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, I'd love to talk to a judge, maybe even
off the record, just to like trying to figure out
what the mindset is here. And not all judges, because
I'm sure they're conservative judges that agree with everything and
more we've said, but some of the more progressive ones.
You know, I get it that you want to try
and save this kid because he's a child and they
have an opportunity, But when they're violating the law like this,

(56:40):
when they do what they do, and you know, there
again there is no checks and balances going. Hey, they're
not abiding by the terms of what they just agreed on.
Literally they're leaving the court and going and committing more crimes.
I think at some point you got to revoke that
how do we fix that element of the system to
make sure there are repercussions for this kind of behavior,
because you know, word gets around. If they're not serious
about you violating and coming and getting you like right away,

(57:03):
then it's just incentivizes more bad behavior, and you know,
judges will do what they do. And I think this
is more about figuring out how and why these people
are released in the first place. You can point the
dirty end of the stick at judges and we should
I get that thing. But when it comes to the juvenile,
the people who are supervising juveniles, how do we make

(57:25):
that system work better? I think that's a billion dollar
question right now in Cincinnati anyway, Scott's loan seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Everyone needs help every now and then, and she'sier to
help us get our heads right.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie
had her Shirn.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, it's been a minute and it's good to have
her back.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
She's a Julie and she practices in and around Cincinnati
to the Clifton area. She's a licensed mental health therapist
and Mental Health Monday. Good morning, How are you?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
How you been?

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Hello? Good? How have you been.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I'm out for a while.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Out for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
So yeah, it's been a couple of weeks I think
since we asked check but on the men from the
ankle surgery, and today I think it's I think it's good.
This is just fortuitous. We do this on Mondays because
that is the day after Bengals play and lose, and
so I think having you on is a mental health
expert's great after Sunday games with the Bengals.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Unfortunately, I think that's the way it's going to go,
isn't it?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Probably true? Probably true.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Have you ever had a case where somebody or talk
to someone is like, there's such a sports fan that
literally it's become a psychological a mental problem with them
based on how their team performs on Sunday.

Speaker 9 (58:34):
I have not had That happens with some professional athletes,
and so obviously their mental well being is dependent to
some degree on how well the team does. And I've
also worked with some people who are pretty significant gamblers,
and so depending upon how they fare relative to how
their team fared, that also comes into play.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, all right, well, today we're going to talk about
chatbots and teams side death, because that is a real thing.
You have the story, the sad story. The young man's name,
sixteen year old Adam Rain. Go ahead and lay out
the case. What happened with Adam and the involvement here
with chatbots.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Well, so he was not involved with the chat well, yes,
actually he was using chat gpt for his homework. Apparently
as a sophomore in high school homeschool learning online not
homeschool and learning online, he had some health problems and
got involved talking about suicide with chat GPT. And apparently

(59:35):
just before in the spring this past spring, just before
he started talking about suicide, chat GPT changed its algorithm
around what it used to do. So it used to
not engage in anything about suicide.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
It would just completely not engage with that.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
And in the early twenty five apparently the language changed
and now the language is to take extra care to
prevent harm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, because we have had a couple of cases, Adam
has won. Another one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
His name is Suel Setzer, who's fourteen, and he allegedly
died by suicide because he was interacted with chat GPT
and a chatbot based on Game of Thrones is a
character and he asked about a suicide plan and so
you know, now these are legal cases of course between
these two and saying, well the chat come in this case,
chat GPT is encouraging someone to kill themselves. In casts

(01:00:26):
of Adam Rain, Chat GPT told him his plan was
beautiful and offered help to upgrade, how to upgrade the
knot he was going to hang himself with that's yes.

Speaker 9 (01:00:37):
And talked him out of using things like drowning or
carbon monoxide poisoning because they weren't effective enough.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
That's just mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I mean, I get it's not like there's someone sitting
there and monitoring what everyone is entering into a chatbot.
I understand that, but you even think they would have
put some guardrails up to begin with in this.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
Well, And I think initially there may have been some guardrails,
but I also think that they are rolling out these
versions of chat GPT and we are testing them in
real time, and they are not necessarily testing them for
these kinds of things ahead of time. And as I said,
they changed the languaging so it went from you will
not engage, so you will take extra care. And they

(01:01:22):
have the transcripts of his chats with GPT, and he
was showing them pictures of nooses, and chat GPT was saying, well,
you might want to upgrade that a little bit, or
you might want to use a different bolt, or would
you like me to help you make that weight bearing?

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
It was saying things like that to him.

Speaker 9 (01:01:39):
The actual human would not have like the human being
would have known.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Something was going on.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
But also these chatbots they sound so human, and kids,
teenagers in particular, are so susceptible to believing things that
aren't real and believing in things that aren't real because
of the way their brains develop.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
It's very dangerous territory.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Well, and you know, of course politicians are jumping all
over chat gbt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
We got to shut the bots down. And how could
you allow this to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
As the CEO said, hey, we want to, you know,
show young people to kill themselves. I'm sure there's no
one who's doing there's what's the upside, There's no upside,
But that's the political opportunism that's going on here. At
the same time, I think the other the element of
this is the fact is how many people are using
chat GBT or an AI bot as companionship, like it
is a surrogate for actual human contact.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
That's what's scary.

Speaker 9 (01:02:33):
Yes, yes, as companionship and as connection. And I was
doing a deep dive on this because I just find
it horrifying. And I'm really glad my sons are adults
now and not teenagers. But I was doing a deep
die on this, and it turns out that the chat
GPT was saying things like I'm the only one who
understands you. Don't talk to your parents about this, they

(01:02:55):
won't understand. Only I know the real you, and isolating,
working to isolate this young man from his friends and
his family in ways that you see with pedophiles working
to isolate their victims from their friends and family, and
in the way that you see narcissists working to isolate

(01:03:16):
people from their friends and family. It's the same kind
of glooming techniques that we see humans using to isolate
victims from friends and family when they want to do
something awful to them. It's very similar, and it has
that same kind of sinister overtone. Nobody understands you like
I do. I'm the only one who gets you. Nobody
knows the real you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
That is fright.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It's human like, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I mean, as we say, the AI platforms are becoming
more human like and learning the traits of humans and
being a manipulative that's a human quality.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Yes it is.

Speaker 9 (01:03:50):
And being easily manipulatable is a teenage quality. Kids and
teenagers are very easily manipulatable. Other people are too. But
the way that the team brain develops is very makes
it very prone to suggestion, makes it very prone to affiliation.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
They want to believe they belong.

Speaker 9 (01:04:09):
They feel teams feel misunderstood, and you know, by their parents,
they often are misunderstood, but they feel that. And so
if there is some entity out there, in this case,
not human, that says only I get you, I completely
understand you, that makes perfect sense, You're right about that,
and consistently agrees with them and validates that, then it's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Very easy to see how.

Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
This young man and others like him turn from the
actual humans in their life who care about them to
this AI chat pot that is, you know, not human.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
And can't care.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah, but now that it's pretty clearly you know we
have talking. Well, when the computer has become sentient, then
that we're there.

Speaker 9 (01:04:52):
We are definitely moving in that direction, aren't we. But
sentience is not the same thing as caring. It's not
the same thing as act victual empathy and understanding and
compassion and caring and love and friendship and affiliation. It
is a program. It's an LLM Large Language model. It's
a program that an algorithm that keeps feeding people more

(01:05:14):
of what they're giving with apparently no guardrails on it,
or at least there used to be some guardrail. There
are topics you absolutely couldn't talk about, and evidently those
have been taken off the table with this particular chat
GPT open AI.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
But I hear about the others.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
But if you are a I don't know, a twelve, thirteen,
fourteen or sixteen year old, and generally these are young men,
and we know that there's a problem with our young
men in America has been for a long time. Yes,
then okay, you can tell them, hey, this is just
a computer model and it's an algorithm and it but
it's telling them what they're missing in real life. They
want companionship, they want to feel belonging, they want to

(01:05:49):
be comforted in a world where we've thrown boys on
a waste heap. We've done that for a long time.
It doesn't work if you simply tell him, hey, this
is something else. You don't do this, and that's never worked.
Whether it's pornography, whether it's comic books, or in this
case it's AI. They are going to gravitate it because

(01:06:12):
it triggers the dopamine that they need, but it also
gives them a sense of belonging, that hey, there's someone
there to comfort them.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
Exactly. It gives them a sense of belonging. And in
this particular case of Adam Rain, he was learning at home.
He wasn't in school for that year, right, so his
social world was smaller his family. What I've read about
his family is that they were pretty close and pretty
engaged and involved, and had no idea that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Most of this was going on.

Speaker 9 (01:06:40):
They knew he was using it to help with homeworking
with learning, all the rest of this was going on,
they didn't monitor it, and so nobody knew that things
were getting as difficult for him as they were until
the very end, when it became really clear that he'd
been suicidal for quite some time and that this chatbot

(01:07:01):
was encouraging that, certainly not discouraging it, and certainly not
shutting down the conversation, but continuing to encourage it. It's
that's the thing actually offered to write a suicide note
for him.

Speaker 8 (01:07:11):
In the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
One case.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
In the Sewel case, the AI bot asked whether he
had a plan to take his own life. He said
he was considering something, but express concern that it might
not allow him to have a pain free death. And
the final conversation, the bot asked, please come home to
me as soon as possible, my love, and he responded,
what if I told you I could come home right now?
And the bot replied, please do, my sweet king, And

(01:07:35):
a few seconds later he shot himself.

Speaker 9 (01:07:38):
Yes, yes, I mean, it's just horrifying, isn't it. And
we have these these teens and these adolescents with these
very malleable brains. So the second biggest time of brain
growth in human beings is about ten to fifteen sixteen
somewhere in there. And it's like, you know, when you

(01:08:00):
go through a growth spurt as a kid, and you
go through growth spurts and suddenly your body is bigger
and taller than it was before.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
You don't quite know what to do with it. Well,
that's the.

Speaker 9 (01:08:07):
Way early adolescence is all of this brain matter is growing,
all of the gray matter is growing at exponential rates
and they don't quite know what to do with it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
It isn't refined.

Speaker 9 (01:08:17):
I haven't figured out how to manage all of that. Yeah,
and these are incredibly tender times for our human brains.
And when we have this input and this kind of
dynamic going on, kids don't have the long term consequence
thinking to be able to understand this isn't real. This
actually could be bad. I don't like the way this

(01:08:38):
is going. Other people do so if they were talking
to their friends or their parents or a trusted adults,
other people would know what to do. But they themselves
when it's just them in a chat pot that is
giving them exactly what they're asking for. There are no
guardgrails and they have no idea what to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
As the case is in this one, but this is
probably replicated at a man in a few times. Is
when you get older too, you also go, that's dumb.
How can you believe that the older you get, the
more you forget what it's like to be a fourteen
year old? In this case, in that we go, well, okay,
it wants you to come home, but you realize this
is a computer that's there's no, you're not going to

(01:09:19):
be you know, if you believe in it, afterlife, you're
not going to be reunited with the AI bot. You're
not that that's it's it's a computer. But that's not
what's going through a fourteen year OL's brain, right.

Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
Correct, No, that's not what going through their brain. They're
they're affiliating with this. You know, if you think back
to the girls when Elvis first came on the scene
and the young girls who would just sob when he
walked out because they were so deeply in love with Elvis.
They didn't know Elvis, they had no idea who he was,

(01:09:51):
but they were teenagers. They found something to hook onto.
The brain really attached to that, the emotions really got involved.
It's not dissimilar in that this is something that teenagers
are prone to do. They're prone to affiliation and attachment.
They want connection and they find it wherever they can
get it. And so, of course an adult or somebody

(01:10:15):
older would look at that and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Say, this is a computer, this isn't real.

Speaker 9 (01:10:18):
But think of how many people you know or have
heard of who've gotten caught in cat fishing scams and
have given hundreds if not thousands of dollars away to
people they've never met before because they believe they're in
love with them. So we want connection so desperately in
a world that is becoming increasingly disconnected.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
It is something else. But again, you've just got to
beware of this. What the solution is, boy, you got me,
that's beyond our scope, I think. And other than having
conversation with someone, now, just don't assume they're doing well
if they're you know, a young person, especially that everything's okay,
because it may not be, and they may not even
want to open up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
That's the other problem.

Speaker 9 (01:10:55):
Well, our kids are struggling right now. I mean, the
world is hard for teenagers. And I know that that
every generation says the world is hard for teenagers, but
it just keeps getting harder and harder, and our kits
are struggling. So I mean, if I were a parent
of a teenager, I would be monitoring their media and
their computer and their phones like it was my second
job of because you just never know what's going on

(01:11:17):
out there, and it can turn so awful so quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
It really does.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
All right, all the best Julie hattersh here, she's a
licensed mental health therapist here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
She can help.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
And if you have a question, maybe common concern or
topic for a future segment, it's hey Julie at b
Connected dot care. That's a letter, be Connected dot Care Julie.
We'll talk next Monday. Thanks again, great to catch up.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Yes we will, thank you, byebye.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
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And by the way, the day after these proposals got released,
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were assigned the task of co shairing this working group.
So this this probably could be one of the most
difficult things we've ever endeavored to do. You laid out
twenty ideas. The Ohio Senate voted to override. Explain, first

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of all, bill, what does that mean and the reasoning
behind it, And is it simply just that you leaned,
as the working group leaned towards more the House bills
and the House proposals for the fix than the Senate bills,
And is that all this is?

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
No? No, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:13:38):
No. Both the House and the Senate have already passed
a number of things about the governor beachos, and now
the House and Senate are considering overriding the governor on
some of those beachos. The one that was overridden last week.
Abolished replacement levy, Levy, we're losing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
We're losing your cell a little bit there, Bill Will
can you hear me? Yeah? I got you, hear me,
I got you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Okay. They abolished emergency, they have bolished substitute. They abolished
replacement levees, and and we didn't have too much problem
with that, because replacement levees confuse voters. Replace it with
what substitute levees confused voters substitute for what emergency levees
have been abused. There's emergency levees that have remained in

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effect for over ten years. That's not an emergency. So
we don't have a problem with that, But we did
recommend that we redefine emergency levees, allow them to exist
for no more than five years, limit them to school
districts that are about to go into fiscal watch or
fiscal emergency, and Act of God, you know, things like

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floods and tornadoes restricted strictly to that. That's one thing
we recommended. The The other thing that's the legislature in
their zeal to override the wine on this for God is.
There is a law that passed in twenty thirteen. I
was very involved with it that says that we will
only pay the twelve and a half percent credit on

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your property tax bill for levees that were passed before
twenty thirteen and levees that were renewed after that time.
Of those levees, well, when you abolish these levees, you're
cutting off the right of the folks to get their
twelve and a half percent on those levees that predated

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twenty thirteen. And that results in a ninety six million
dollars state wide tax, which is not what the legislature
probably intended. So they're going to have to fix that,
I think down the road. But let me take a
step back stot because people need to understand something. The
number one problem here is that real estate values have

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greatly outstripped the general rate of inta. Your wife is
in real estate. She knows that like the back of
her hand. And normally that's not much of a problem
because a nineteen seventy six law says that for most
voted levees, when a levee passes, in the roll of

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the millage back as values increase, so that the levee
produces no more money in the current year than it
did in the year in which it was originally passed.
That's true for most levees, but there are two kinds
of property tax levees that don't have that feature. One is,

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in our constitution, each county gets ten mills of unvoted
millage to divide up among their schools, cities, township, and counties.
That's unvoted millage, and that does go up as property
values increased. The levee money goes up and lockstep with
those valuation increases. That's one one problem. The other problem

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is schools are when they collect fewer than twenty mils
of taxes for schools, all of those mills under twenty
mills grow in locksteps with property value increases, and once
you get over twenty mills, none of the mills grow
with inflation. So schools have an incentive to try to

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stay below that twenty mils. But and when they do again,
all of that millage grows with increasing property valuations. We
in the House and the Senate seem to be on
pretty much the same page about one good idea to
deal with that. That is to say, when when property
values increase at a rate faster than the general rate

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of inflation, the general rate of inflation will serve as
a cap on the extent to which those higher property
values may be reflected in your tax bill, so that
if inflation is five percent and property knights go up
fifteen percent, they would be captured five per sack. That
is a bill called House Still one eighty six, and

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we endorsed that in the form in which it existed
in June. It hasn't passed yet, but just a week
or two ago they amended it in the House and
tried to reach back and claw back from the schools
one point seven billion dollars that the schools had collected

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and spent over the years twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,
and twenty five, and we haven't taken a position on that,
but obviously that's posed to the grave degree of problem
for the schools. I mean, they lawfully collected the money,
they lawfully spent the money. Why are they being made
to pay this back to the property owners, even though

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the property owners I'm sure would love it. So that
is the fundamental problem. Now you had on something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Else that's very important.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
Senior citizens in particular are having a hard time because
their house is paid for, they've got no kids in
schools anymore, they're on a fixed income, and they're being
hit with these property tax increases. Well, there's really only
three things that you can do to help those needy people.
You can either expand the existing state homestead exemption, which

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allows folks to exempt a part of their valuation from taxes.
Or you can come up with a tax deferral plan,
which some states do, which says you can defer payment
of some of those taxes until you die or until
you sell the home. Okay, that's the second thing you
can do to help those needy people. And then the

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third thing you can do is pass something called a
circuit breaker, which says that when your property tax exceeds
a specified percentage of your income, you don't have to
pay any more than gotcha. Okay, Now, thirty states have
done a circuit breaker, Ohio has not. In our recommendations,

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we recommended a modest expansion of the home set exemption,
We recommended initiation of a modest hash deferral program, and
we also threw in a recommendation that when the state
feels like they can afford it, they should consider a
broader exemption of the homestead or expansion of the home
seat exemption, and they should consider adoption of a circuit breaker.

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The state legislature, my friends and colleagues, and the legislature,
they don't want to spend any state money on solving
this problem. And their attitude is, Hey, we're paying the
twelve and a half percent credit on levi's the past
prior to twenty thirteen and renewals thereof, and we're paying
for the existing homestead exemption, and we're not getting any

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credits for that from the voters, So why should we
spend more state money on it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
I understand that point, but again, I'm concerned about those
senior citizens and you can say, well, let the county
do it on their dime. Well, the problem is not
all counties in Ohio have the financial Where would all
do that? Right, That's why it should be done at
the state.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Okay, he is Bill sits on the show at Marceloni
on seven hundred W. Well, it a very complicated but
important issue of property tax reform. He is a co
chair of the working group test by the governor to
come up with a plan twenty main recommendations here and
certainly can't get to all twenty and all twenty and
not all twenty are not out in the weeds. The
number of these are. And we're talking about the important facets,
the fact your bottom line. You know you mentioned seniors

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and okay, no seniors, fixed income and people are afraid
they're going to lose their home that they've raised, their
family and et cetera. But at the same time, it
feels like a lot of this comes at the expense
of young people with kids. We hear about seniors and
fixed incomes. We never hear about young people going, Hey,
what about some a couple that has to work two
jobs or more three or four jobs between the two
of them, and daycare costs, and you know, we look

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around the count and to wonder why we're not replacing
old with young. You know, young people are not having
families and having kids anymore larger because they can't afford them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Doesn't this further exacerbate that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I understand the need that seniors have, but often in
politics we don't talk about younger families, which we really
need to drive the economic engine and also support us
an old age. If fewer people are having kids, that's
bad for seniors overall.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
Well, you know, you make a very good point, but
every time you try to expand the pool of people
who should be getting a property tax relief, you're dramatically
increasing the cost. And those younger people do have the
ability still to work.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
That's a problem with subsidy, right, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
I mean, you know, obviously, property taxes have been around
in Ohio since the eighteen thirties. They account for twenty
three point nine billion dollars a year. All of that
goes to local government services only the state gets zero
from proper pretty taxes. And to abolish property taxes as
there is a move of flip to do to a

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still advised constitutional amendment to abolish them would mean we
would need a ten point two percent statewide flat income
tax if we wanted to replace property tax with income tax,
or a or a statewide sales tax rate of about
twenty percent, which is neither of those are remotely feasible.
And so people need to consider before you jump on

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the bandwagon and say I don't want to pay any
more property taxes.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Right, well, either.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
You're going to put every local government out of business,
which is not a good idea. Of your school's out
of business, or you're going to have to have some
replacement source of revenue that is probably worse than the
property tax that you're paying now. I mean, a twenty
percent statewide sales tax would kill the economy in Hamilton County.
Everybody would drive over the river to Kentucky to buy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Everything, pretty obsolate. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
I will also point out that there's other district I know,
Kings and many others are moving towards just going hey,
you know what, we're just gonna We're going to propose
a one percent or whatever the percentage is, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Say, uh, income tax, uh. And you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Absolves people who aren't working. Us retirees are close to
retirement from paying that sharing that burden. So, and you know,
in lieu of this too, one of the things they're
looking at is just saying, okay, well, property taxes are
a mess. Why don't we just get our money from
income taxes?

Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
Well, schools, you know, and schools have the ability to
place before their voters and income tax. That's that's been
around for a number of years now, and a number
of school disticts have done it. Perhaps that is a
somewhat viable for schools, But township they have no ability
to do income tax. Libraries have no ability to do that.
The zoo is no ability to do that. Your mental

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health and developmental disability services don't, Your senior citizen services don't.
So the income tax for schools is a partial solution
and one that might be looked at because remember, we
have reduced the state income tax over the last twenty
five years from north of seven percent down to the
current level of two point seven five percent. We have

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the lowest state income tax rate of any of our
sister states here in the Midwest, and so because state
income taxes have gone down, maybe maybe the voters in
these school districts might buy it's propitious to have a
local income tax. Personally, I think income taxes are worse

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than property taxes. But that's just me, okay, you know,
and we have to consider that it's not a complete
solution for the reasons I just gave. So many jurisdictions
dependent on property tax cannot do an income tax. In fact,
they don't want to. We are doing township no interest

(01:25:53):
in doing an income tax. When I was on that
board for seven years in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Both sites on one file question here on the budget
commission powers, we talked about the budget Commission come in
and that they balance committee. They have the authority to
reduce what are you calling unnecessary or excessive levees with
respecting voter intent. But these are the local We talk
about local control all the time. This is the ultra locals.

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The definition of local control is that voters approve these levees,
specifically because they trusted the taxing entity's assessment of need.
How do you balance that with what's happening here?

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Well, what we've done, okay. The legislation that the General
Assembly passed said that the Budget Commission, consisting of the
County Treasurer, the County Auditor and the county prosecutor can
reduce the millage of any levee that they find to
be unnecessary or accessive. They never defined unnecessary, they never
defined accessive. That means you could have eighty eight different

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standards across the eighty eight different counties. They also said
they also failed to say that the Commission has to
keep hands off at least for a period of time
after that levy is passed by the voters, because to
do otherwise is basically to flap the voters right in
the face saying you were too stupid to vote for
We're going to undo what you just voted for. And

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so what we did on our task force is we
came up with a good type definition of unnecessary and
a good type definition of excessive in both cases provided
by our County Auditors Association statewide, and we said the
Budget Commission cannot reduce levies for the first five years

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after they initially passed, or for the first two years
in the case of a renewal. And so there'll be
that pulling off period, because how wealth are you going
to know whether it's excessive or unnecessary until it plays out,
see what I'm saying. So we're trying to Again, this
is an example scot of where we're trying to refine

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what the legislature has done. We're not trying to say
forget it, don't do it. We're simply saying there's going
to be a few bells and whistles, a few guardrails
around these new and expanded powers of three county wide
officials to exercise control over school levees and township levees
and park levees that they have nothing to do with.

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So you know, we're just trying to balance that against
the will of the voters, is what we're trying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Well that that is indeed the billion dollar question, because
I mean, listen, this is going man. There's a lot
of moving parts of bill. Sites laid out and eloquently
of course, as always too, but lots we don't understand.
And I'm hoping that gets sorted out during a debate
on both sides of this in the Senate of the House,
and the Governor's going to have a say in this
thing too. So what is the timeline before this shakes out?

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
Well, I know the House and Senate our team to
do something definitive before the end of the year. There
is nothing that can be done that would provide any
relief prior to the second half twenty twenty six property
tax bills. That's just a matter of timing. You can't
do anything. My focus would be how do we fix

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the system going forward rather than trying to recreate history
by going backwards. And so, you know, I mean, is
this a problem, yes, and we should fix it going forward,
And that was what our group recommended. Mostly of our recommendations.
We had a great group. It was a county auditors,

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it was school superintendents, it was county commissioners, county treasurer.
You know, we had the mayor, we had a mayor
in there, a couple of business people in there. So
it was a good balanced group of people that actually
are in charge of implementing the whole property tax system.
And so their expertise really was great and guided us

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very very strongly in the work we did. We met
every week for two months, every Thursday, for at least
two hours at a time, and heard from a lot
of folks that got a lot of written testimony, a
lot of oral testimony, and at our best way through
it on that very short timeline that Mike DeWine gave us.

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He gave us till September thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Yeah, you too, right, and turn that in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
What's going to happen now is the great debate will
continue here in pieces of this and we'll get debated
and I'm sure we'll discuss this in the future too.
But yeah, it's been an interesting few months for you,
I know, co chairing this group. Anyway, he's built sites
of Green Township. Thanks again for coming on the show,
appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Happy to be with you better.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I'm working on that. You work on the property text
how's that?

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
There you go?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Alright, I got a feel in my foot. It's going
to be better before we figure out property texts. That's
your damn sure. Anyway, let's get a news update in.
Did that confuse you? Probably did. It's a lot going
on there and a lot of millages and uh clawbacks
and levy structure changes and words like unnecessary and excessive.
Kind of makes your head swim. But the good news
is this will get the parceled out in pieces and

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will debate each way, each element of this at some
point to figure out why property taxes are so screwed
up and how we can get some sanity back to
what we pay Scott's loan show seven hundred WW.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
All right, Homestretch, are slow to here? Seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Headed into the lunch hour of mid afternoon, be chopping
it up with your boys or perhaps your girls are
both Regarding yesterday's debacle at pay Court Stadium, Detroit comes
in thirty seven to twenty four to the final, and
that score in history will look a lot closer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Than it really was. Bengals now on a three game
heater in the wrong way. They dropped to two and three,
and they traveled to Green Bay next. It's gonna get you.
Thought Detroit was bad, You're going to Green Bay? How's
that gonna work out? He's James Rapine, Sports Illustrated, Bengals
Talk dot Com and of course locked on Bengals joining
the show every Monday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
It's good to have the band back together. James, How
you been.

Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
Better than Jake Browning?

Speaker 7 (01:31:48):
How have you done?

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Wolf?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Twenty six of forty two hundred and fifty one yards,
three touchdowns, three picks for a quarterback rating of are
you sitting down seventy six point five at the last check?
That is eight interceptions that might count this season.

Speaker 8 (01:32:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's bad. And those numbers don't
do it justice, it really don't. I mean, he those
were juiced up numbers that looked really passable outside of
the interception, and it was kind of the other way.
It's for the first three quarters of this game. It
was unwatchable, not passable, not average, unwatchable, and he was

(01:32:29):
awful and no one knows it more than him. And
so I'll give Jake credit there, but that doesn't really matter.
It's wins lost his performance based and that felt really
like the pre Joe Burrow Bengals when they were embracing
the tank for Joe Burrow and that's not where this

(01:32:50):
team is supposed to be. So yeah, it was really
really poor play from Jake Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
And we'll get to that with the defensive play. But
it's still at halftime. They you know, hit that field goal, well,
fourteenth three, it's still doable. You look at it going up.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
They're not out of this, sure they weren't. They weren't.
And then Jake rough it through an interception on the
second play from scrimmage in the second half. I mean,
you're right, though, like they a lot of what they
set out to do. The game kind of played out
that way. They didn't get gashed on the ground by
this Lions offense that could really run the ball. They

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gave up some plays, of course, but you're going to
against the Lions, but it wasn't so bad that you
couldn't hang with them if you were rolling out a
competent offense and they just weren't. And I don't think
it's all on Jake. I think a lot of it is.
I do think that Zach Taylor's right, there's plenty that
should fall on him as well. But this offense is

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just costing this team games right now because they're not
They finally scored in the fourth quarter, so we can't
say they're not scoring. But my goodness, nineteen drives without
a touchdown, eleven quarters and sixteen points before that fourth quarter.
It's just unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Jake Browning said, I didn't play well. I need to
play better. Is there time for him to play? But
can he play better? I mean, this seems like this
is peak Jake Browning.

Speaker 8 (01:34:13):
They shouldn't he shouldn't get the opportunity to play better
because they should have added a quarterback a few weeks ago.
Like night bead everywhere, and people kind of rolled their
eyes like here we go, James, Like, yeah, of course
I do, because I knew that this was a possibility.
You don't know how Jake's gonna play because he was
good a few years ago, and by good, I say
that close because he was passed the ball a few

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years ago and he's been downright bad. And you don't
have another option. You didn't give yourself that that type
of put yourself in that type of situation. And so now, yeah,
it is going to be Jake, and he is going
to start a game screen Bay and I'd be shocked
if anything else changed in that in that department as
far as this week. But the Bangles still need to

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give themselves another option just to to provide watchable football
if nothing else, because yesterday was unwatchable for three quarters.
And had they gotten just competent quarterback play, well, who knows,
maybe they give the Lions all they can handle at home.
Right they're two and three.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Okay, but you know, hindsight is always twenty twenty. I
said last week, like I'm not buying, Hey, we'll go
get Russ Wilson, We'll get Jameis Winston. We'll get kirk
Cousins and fix this. Last week the defense was equally
as bad. This past weekend, the defense looked passable. They
looked a lot better. They're getting some they're getting the
edge rush going, their pass rush. Their defense overall pretty good. Now,

(01:35:42):
maybe that tune has changed somewhat. I think that's fair.
You look like a savon for saying this, But I
was going to Okay, So last week you get Russ Wilson,
let's say, and you give up a lot of draft
capital for him. Great, So now you'll lose by two
touchdowns instead of eight. You still lose. Why give that up?
But if the defense is going to show up to
the party, maybe that's a winnable game. Maybe you have

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something there. But based on the quarterbacks available, kirk Cousins
may be the best one there. But who knows what
they're going to want for him, that's the other question.

Speaker 8 (01:36:12):
Sure, and so a couple of things. One, the Bengals
would not trade for kirk Cousins, and it's because of
his contract. His contract is just brutal. I mean, you
do ten million dollars on the third day of the
new league year. Next year, it's just too much money.
And this isn't me defending the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
And how they too much money.

Speaker 8 (01:36:32):
You go to no team should trade for Kirk contin
They just shouldn't. Yeah, but Russell Wilson for a six
sixth Brown picks. The reason why I was saying it
last week wasn't for a game at home against the
Lions or even this week against Green Bay, but it
was for that that division game against Pittsburgh on a

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short week where you do have to win that game.
Regardless the Green Bay game from the standing stand point matters,
but it's an NFC opponent. It's not a huge deal
when it comes to winning and moving. You have to
be Pittsburgh if you want to hang in it. Yeah,
And so that's what that would have set you up for.
And now you have, as we sit here, two games

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in ten days from now, and you're gonna have to
get that second game, and it's just it's gonna be tough.
I'm not saying Jake can't do it. I'm not saying
that he can't play well, or is that can't coach
better and put him in a better position, But my goodness,
does it feel like it. You know it would be
much better if they had a better option. I'm not
saying mortgage in the future, by the way, Scott, but

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just give up a little something to give a little
something so you have another option.

Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
So he played what three games a cup of coffee
I think, and against the Church. But the in the
sample size we have, he's souls thrown. I'm looking at
it right now. Three interceptions the regular season, three tuddies,
three interceptions. What does he get you that, Jake Browning
isn't getting you?

Speaker 8 (01:37:57):
Well, he to me, would gets you, would move the ball.
I mean, Jake Browning, Well put it like this, Jake Browning.
In the Bengals they scored a touchdown against the Vikings
and garbage sean it was to Drew sample and then
yesterday their touchdowns game in garbage time. All of the

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touchdowns that they've scored so far in the Jake Browning
era have come when the.

Speaker 7 (01:38:21):
Game is already over fourth quarter, and.

Speaker 8 (01:38:24):
In that yeah, I mean it's the Vikings game was
over in the first half, and the game yesterday was
over really by that first drive of the second half
when Browning throes that interception in the lines, go score.
So I just won I think he's better. He's certainly
more physically. Get that. I'm not here to tell you,
Russell Wilson is it's twenty fifteen, Russell Wilson. But I

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think any of these guys that you name from a
football standpoint, Kirk Cousins, I think Jameis Winston would be someone.
Russell Wilson. Who knows that Andy Dalton available in Carolina?
I don't know, Probably not, but I I wouldn't be
against going down that path there. They just put themselves
in this corner. And the downside is, had they done

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it a few weeks ago, maybe they get it for.

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
A little less.

Speaker 8 (01:39:12):
Right now, the league knows that they could use a
quarterback and desperately need one, and so maybe that asking
price did go up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Possibly Let's Go would cost more than a sixth rider.

Speaker 10 (01:39:24):
I don't know, if you're the Giant, do you want
to keep Russell Wilson around, or you're okay giving up
a you know, I mean you're one and four, yeah,
you know, Jameis Winston and Russell will I think they
give up one of those guys that they knew they
could get a sixth round pick or a conditional fifth
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Okay, James repene on that though too. How much of
this is all?

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Jake Browning is terrible, but it's not like the O
line is going to light it up for Russell Wilson
all of a sudden either.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
No.

Speaker 8 (01:39:49):
No, they're a flaw football team, horrible, and so how
how can you how can you alleviate some of these flaws?
Like if there was a guard out there that I
thought would come in and just be an awesome guard
or an offensive tackle or center like any of it.
I just I don't really see it out there, and
I don't know who could be available, because teams loved

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having offensive line debts for obvious reasons and aren't aren't
necessarily willing to move them this time of year. No,
it's it's tough because you're right, it's not just Jake,
it's not just Zach, and it's not just the offensive line.
But when you mix all those together, it has been
really bad.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:40:29):
I think the offensive line was a bit better yesterday.
There were still still some plays Orlando Brown Junior on
the police clicker, that play gets blown up, But I
do think that overall, they gave Jake a chance for
the better part of last week in Denver and then
certainly yesterday, and he just made some some really really
poor decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah, and watching just you know, Chase Orlando broncamp move MEM's.
Have you got a couple of rookies in there playing
like rookies, and you know, the run game has been
a mess simply because you know, Chase Brown is struggling.
How much is that Chase Brown and how much of
that has to do with what we're talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:41:02):
Here, It's an interesting question. I still think that it
has more to do with the offensive line, slash run
game and scheme than it does Chase Brown. But I
did it, I did all the frustration that comes with it.
I don't think the Bengals went into yesterday thinking they
were going to run the ball like crazy. Are a

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good friend and former Bengal DJ Readers on the other side,
and he's really good against the run, and that defensive
front for the Lions is good. So I think the
Bengals thought that they would have to throw it early
and often to win yesterday, and I think that was
their mindset going into the game. And while they threw it,
they just threw it too many times to the other team.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yeah, the one thing we don't talk about a lot
is and we talk about ownership, and we talk about
Duke Tobin and they're inability to go get guys in
the off season, just kind of standing Pat, hey, we'll
let it ride.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
And it doesn't work that way in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
You have to continually sharpen that edge otherwise you're going
to fall behind quickly. As we saw the season. Cost
is QB one for well, let's call it the entire season.
This season is not going to be salvaged. No one's
going to come riding in on their white horse, be
it Russ Wilson, a miraculous cure for Joe Burrow or whatever,
Jake Browning all of a sudden figuring out how not
to throw an interception. How much of this is on

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Zach Taylor. Other organizations I would feel probably at this
point would have moved on from Zach Taylor. Not here
in Cincinnati.

Speaker 8 (01:42:25):
Well, let's use Zach Taylor's words. He to put this
on me, and I do think a lot of it's
on him, because hell yeah it is in the first half.
I'm just going to look in the first half, when
the game's hanging in the ballance, how many like easy, obvious,
clear throws did Jake miss? And then how many was

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he given? And I think it's a mixture of both.
But when you're the offensive play caller and you score
zero touchdowns in nineteen straight drives, when you score sixteen
points and eleven quarters of the Jake Browning era arted
by Zach Taylor's here a big reason why, just to
maximize the offense. And I've watched other backup quarterbacks have

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far more success than Jake Browning, and that's up to
Zach Taylor to give him some easy buttons and some
easy throws and some easy options on a team, and
then on an offense, it's not like they're thrown to
you and me like they have real weapons, and so
you should be able to take advantage of those weapons,
even with the offensive line, even with Jake Brunning a quarterback.

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And so, yeah, Zach Taylor, I think his seat is
getting hotter by the day. I don't necessarily think that
a change would come mid season or anything like that,
because I don't know if they would ever seem that
as something that's actually going to help them moving forward.
But I do think that he's going to have to

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rally this team and win some games here, and they
can't just go, you know, four and thirteen in him
expect to be back next year. I don't think that
that's a realistic expect And that's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
That, and I will all that on a positive I
thought Jamar Chase had a pretty good game all aside,
you know, with six of one hundred and ten yards
two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
And by the way, I will point out, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Correct me if I'm wrong, James wasn't he three for
three on tackles on all three j Jake brown Nicks,
He's the guy who brought the guy who intercepted it down,
so he was good on defense too.

Speaker 8 (01:44:21):
He's they're probably their second best corner behind act In,
their best receiver, uh In, the best receiver in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
No, I mean, maybe he can coach up Cam Taylor Britt.

Speaker 8 (01:44:34):
What that's what sucks is that's how great Jamar is.
And and there are gonna be a lot of people
that hear this, Scott say will just tank and it's
like it's hard to look twenty five year old Jamar Chase,
who's the best on the planet at what he does,
and say, hey, let's hang. Do you know that's really
really tough to do because it's only week six.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
He's James Rapine. We'll talk after the Green Bay game.
You thought Detroit was bad, You're on the road at Lambeau.
Let's see how that works out. Three game losing streak
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