12-18-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott discusses what wealth inequality really means with Derrick Bullen. Also Barry Enderwick goes over the history of sandwiched. Finally political terrorism expert Mark Enselaco describes how a New Year's Eve terror attack was prevented.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
An American.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Slowly on seven undterd WLW. You know, you kind almost
set your watch by this stuff. Every four years, when
the political parties change, you have people who are on
the outside looking in, and the voices get louder for
a lot of different things. You kind of heard a
little bit about it, and it's always been a topic.
But wealth inequality is going to blow up over the
next four years simply because you have a Republican in office,

(00:25):
and when you have policies that just feel the fire
for people who are well socialists or simply think by
existing they deserve X amount of dollars for just showing up.
But we know America generally is built on marriage of meritocracy.
Now again, i'd say an asterisk because some people are
born on third base thinking they hit a triple when

(00:45):
that is not the case. I mean, let's face it,
we have a young generation who's shackled by things like
college debt and taking on the ability to own a house,
to start a family, to buy a new car, all
the things we kind of took for granted when we
were younger ourselves. It's become a lot harder to do that.
I appreciate that, but there is something to be said
about hard work and showing up, and some things do

(01:07):
indeed need to change. And you look at the distribution
of wealth in this country, it is a problem if
you don't have a burgeoning middle and lower class in
order to buy the stuff that they manufacture. But to
you simply broad brushing and turn capitalism some sort of
evil and something that has to be undone is absolutely silly.
Derek Bullen is a expert in the area of wealth
and how we look at this in America, And Derek,

(01:27):
welcome back. And I think we're going to start to
hear more loudly than we have in the past that
wealth is a four letter word. So just whear it's
a curse word, it's an epithet.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I know, the narrative is so calmonplace, it's just shame
forn and it's all over on the rich, and none
of it's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
It's so highly incorrect.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I thought I should get out there and just get
the facts out for what they really are.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, when you say rich or wealthy, what is that?
Even because it's such a general term, it's relative to
where you are. You know, if I make twelve dollars
an hour, the guy making twenty dollars an hours wealthy, right,
and if you're making twenty so it's all relative.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
To who you are.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
So true, it's so true. You know, it actually is
absolutely relative to who you are. So, you know, I
grew up in the fairly poor, working class neighborhood in Calgary,
and even when we just moved up one to just
a slightly nicer neighborhood, all of a sudden, we were rich,
you know. And but I think in the for the mainstream,

(02:23):
I think, and for the politicians, they always run it
against the one percent, or they always run it against
the billionaires. But even there, what they're saying is not true.
You know, it's tax time, right, and there will be
about one point six billion in taxes collected by the
IRS federally, and the top one percent will pay forty
percent of that amount, like they're paying for almost forty
percent of the roads, schools, hospitals, everything. And the one

(02:47):
percent is not enough to you know, vote in a
politician or vote out a politician. But they are the
golden goose that always gets squeezed. Nobody knows that the
bottom fifty seven percent of people that work last year
will pay no federal incompacts at all. So when I hear,
you know, Joe Biden saying pay your fair share, like,

(03:07):
how much more than forty percent of the burden carried
by one percent of the population, was he what's he
looking for? You know, it's almost ludicrous when you look
at the numbers.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah. And the thing is too, is that I know
we'll get more on this in a second, but but
to me, the tax a rich plan, it doesn't it
doesn't stack up because even if you survey the typical
America and they'll tell you it's like, I get it,
there's going to be able to make more money, and
we kind of need those people because it inspires the
rest of us to work our butts off to get
where they are. You're an entrepreneur, you started with nothing
and you employ some three thousand people in the IT

(03:40):
field right now, So we love that, Drew. Now you're Canadian.
But again it's the what we call here the American dream,
right that that I at least have a chance if
I if I a little bit of lock and a
lot of hard work will get me where I want
to be.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Exactly right, And you know, it is a hard A
lot of hard work, and these these politicians like Sanders,
they say, oh, it is the rich get richer, They're
doing it on the backs of everybody else.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
That's not true.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
As the rich get richer, everybody's getting more prosperous. You know,
when President Johnson started the War on Poverty in nineteen
sixty four, there were almost no billionaires in the United
States and poverty was nineteen point five percent in the
United States. Today, with the US having the most billionaires
in the world, poverty full income poverty has dropped two

(04:25):
point three percent, and globally, poverty's fallen in half and
lifespans increased.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
As we've gone from.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Back in the eighties, maybe there were fifteen billionaires to
the day there's almost three thousand billionaires on the globe.
The pie has gotten bigger, and I can give you
lots of really good example Scott on how the pie
has gotten bigger and multiple people have benefited, not just
the person making it.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, give me one good example of a dummy like me.
Can understand. I don't talk over my head now, I'm
not wealthy like you.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
No, no problem.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
So in twenty twenty, the value of Amazon jumped by
five hundred and eighty billion, and everyone's like five hundred
and seventy billion, and everyone was like, Jeff bezos networks
went up by fifty seven billion, Oh, the shame of
the shame. And what they didn't realize is he owns
ten percent of Amazon.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
The only reason he owns.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Is because he founded They created the company and put
in the work. But the other ninety percent of Amazon
is owned by institutions, and it's owned by banks, it's
owned by insurance companies, it's owned by unions, and it's
owned by the government. And so what nobody talked about
was the half trillion dollars, just over half a trillion,
that those people made at the same time. That's the

(05:37):
wealth Bezos created for them. And so anytime someone's getting
a pension, said teacher, or a fireman's getting a pension
in California, someone gets a new loan for a car,
somebody gets a home insurance claim paid, there's Amazon wealth,
a little bit of Amazon wealth, and all of that.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
And so, you know, being the CEO of.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
A company like that, you're putting on this great buffet
for everyone to come and enjoy. You're buying the groceries,
cooking it up and only at the end, if you
did a good jobs, there is there a plate left
for you. So that's one way. Every time Bezels makes
a dollar, he's got to remember he's just made nine
for everybody else, like nine for everybody else. And while

(06:16):
he's doing that, well he's doing that, he's paying out
forty six billion in salaries every year, So forty six
billion goes out to pay one point six million workers.
It's like a small army. And while he's still doing that, he's.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Paying out another forty two billion.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Forty eight billion goes out for the forty six billion
goes out to employees, forty two billion is going out
to research and development that is cutting edge. Amazon Web
Services is one of the largest cloud computing companies on
the planet. So that's that's a way that And it's
like that for every entrepreneur, Elong Musk, Bezols, Bill Gates,

(06:55):
they make the majority of the money for the people
that before they make theirs.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, and it's in this case, we it's easy to
pick a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates in point
at them and go bad evil. Look at all the money,
Look at the wealth. This guy has homes all over
the world and not for want, and people are starving.
And yet if you look at the people who are
making money basically riding his coattails, or I guess the
way I would look at it is how many people,
how many working folks and the like will put a

(07:20):
bet on March Madness or the super Bowl or the
World Series, something along those lines. Throw a little money
out there, buy a lottery ticket. That's the way I
look at stock op or buying stock right, is that
if I buy some stock, as opposed to a lottery ticket,
I'm now investing that money back in the company, allowing
them to invest in the things you mentioned and hopefully
return to me a profit. And that's why you have

(07:41):
winners and losers on Wall Street. But anyone now can
get into the game. If you have a smartphone and
you know, twenty bucks into your account, you could literally
buy a small shell be of a small share, but
a small share of company. Or buy Apple when it's
you know, twenty eight cents as opposed to where it
is today, you could.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know, I always tell my kids, if you can't budget,
you know, one thousand dollars, you won't be able to
budget a million dollars.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
And it's like that.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
You know, most lottery winners, most seventy percent of the
lottery winners are broken in depth two years after they
win the lottery. And Bezos was successful with Amazon, but
you know Dave Cook who started Blockbuster five billion in
market cap down to zero in five years. Not everybody
successful running a business, and Bezos is one guy. I

(08:26):
have as much respect for Bezos as they do for
the guy running a store down on the corner with
three employees. And they're both doing the same thing. They're
both multiplying prosperity, you know, in their communities.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Derek Bullet on the show this morning on seven hundred
w LW. It's pretty daring, but he is talking about
defending wealth, and that is that wealth is a good thing,
not a bad thing. As we talk about executive pay
and you know, taxes and welfare and social programs and
expanding government and taxing the rich and all of those things,
the reality is we need wealthy people in the marria.

(09:00):
One of the other elements of this too, Derek W'll
point out is, you know, you talked about people rising
up because of people like Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates
or whatever, but the idea is that you're creating new
new device. If look at this way, we have new
technology out there that's just jaw dropping. For example, space
travel no Elon Musk. And because of that, at some point,

(09:21):
probably not in our lifetimes, but down the line, it
travel to space will become affordable for the average person,
I think anyway. But that's typically how it works, is
the ultra wealthy by these cool new developments and investing
technology and things we can only dream about, and then
it becomes mass produced electric cars. Look where they are.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now, sure, electric cars, smartphones, and you know they talk
about Elon Musk as if all he's doing is taking
people up to space. He's taking satellites up into space.
So a lot of the telecommunications that you get is
courtesy of Elon Musk, you know, having a cheaper way
to bring satellites. When this terrible invasion of the Ukraine,
it's actually Elon Musk move satellites in front of them

(10:01):
so they can have the free Internet. And you know
what's interesting, el Must Jeff Bezos, they did not inherit
their wealth. In fact, two thirds of everyone in the
Fortune four hundred today in the United States made their
wealth and their lifetime. Two thirds of those billionaires and
eighty percent of the millionaires and billionaires in the UK
are self made.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
So it's not like it's an entitlement.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
It's something people work for and the people that work
for it, they're like elite athletes. Like it takes a
nation to build a Michael Jordan, it takes a nation
to build a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates or
a Dice. And they the vacuum guy in the UK,
and they are just like the lead athletes. You have
to work in an insane amount of hours and there's
no guarantee that you're going to make it. And just

(10:45):
like an injury can take an athlete out of the
game for the rest of their life, if you get
a fatal injury in business, there's no recovery. The business
is just over it, you know, just like I was
saying earlier Life Blockbuster, the.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Business is just not.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
So These are people and they're making the pie bigger
for everyone. They're paying most of the tax. They also,
by the way, pay most of the charitable donations in
the United States. The average charitable donation, church payments, everything included,
it's about five hundred and seventy bucks, and about half
of the Americans will donate something. But if you look
at total charity four hundred and eighty billion a year,

(11:21):
one third of that comes from the one percent.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
And eighty five percent of bequests, which is.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Different than giving in your lifetime. But the quest is
when I die, what do I do with this money?
Like Warren Buffet said, I'm going to give it all away?
The Gates said, they give it all away, and they're
well on their way to doing it. Eighty five percent
of bequests come from the top one percent too, So
it's a slowly very supportive of the tax system. Everyone's
paying more than their fair share. They're very supportive when
government can or won't step in and a nonprofit has

(11:50):
to step in to do the work. So the government
in California, France, and United States, Canada are all so
dependent on the one percent paying taxes. Any pay more,
more money, you make, more taxes you make, all these
all these governments are very very dependent on the one
percent coming in and paying taxes. I mean that that's
one hundred thousand people in a state besides of California

(12:11):
paying one third of.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
The state taxes this year.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
If they weren't there, the state would be totally screwed
if the one percent, if the one percent wasn't wasn't here,
it would look a lot like socialism, and people would
be like, where is the money for everything? Well, the
people who made it left, And it's a different one
percent every generation, because the majority of people make their
millions or billions in their lifetime.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
And we're starting to see it, and we're seeing that acidus.
We're seeing that exodus from the top tier people from California.
Is that, you know, I think generosity lasts up till
a point. One thing too to add about Europe and
everyone else is if you look at what we do
in the US, it's it's interesting as you see now
Russia at the wolf of the dorso to speak like

(12:56):
an existential threat like Russia's right now is all always
look to the United States help bail them out. And
I think there's an economic component of that too. Exactly
what we're talking about right here is that if we
continue to make everyone dependent on government, who's funding the government, Well,
we're starting to see that in areas of Europe right now,
and now they're looking and going, okay, well we didn't
see Russia coming at all. Who's going to bail us out?

(13:18):
It's going to the United States. And I think because
of what you're talking about here, that's probably why.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, it's probably why. You know, a good society.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Ned States is arguably the greatest country in the world.
It's a third of the world economy. And you have
a vibrant business sector. You have a very large government
who provides a lot of valuable services. And then you've
got an amazing arts community, right, I mean, you've got
a wad, You've got everything there. But the business has
to make the money first. Then the government takes the

(13:49):
money and that's taxes, and it uses some of it,
and then it redistributes some of it and that goes.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
To the arts community.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
And then where it doesn't get covered again, businesses or
wealth creators. That's true, the nonprofits and everything that they
make up in the slack. But first you have to
have this vibrant business sector. You were talking about the
exodus out of California. You know, for everything California has,
they're down over three hundred and sixty four thousand people
a year leave. And that's like the city of Anaheim

(14:17):
picking up and leaving, and it's because the taxes in California.
If you're in the private sector taking all the risk,
making all the money, you make about on average seventy
grand a year. If you're in the public sector, on average,
you make twice as much. They pay the public sector
of plaice twice as much.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
They've got the whole.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Thing inverted in that California. That's why everyone's leaving. So
it's not just high profile names like Elon Musk or
Rockstar Gens.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Simmons that are leaving.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
You know, Tesla SpaceX they're located in Texas. Heel At
Packard moved to Texas. Everyone knows Microsoft is the world's
largest software company, but Oracle is very close at number two.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
They've moved to Texas.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Digital Realty Trust the biggest commercial realty company world, They've
moved to Texas. The exodus just keeps going past the
beer company they've moved to Texas. You know, it's just crazy,
the exodus because California is just squeezing the one percent out.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I think there's a point when it comes to exaggerated
wealth inequality too. I don't know how you bring that
back down. You know, taxing the top one percent, for example,
so popular, but we can only take so much money
out of that, out of that particular group. Right, how
do you bat, how do you how do you solve
the issue of exaggerated wealth.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
In the quality?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, you know, the media is amped that up.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
The media has grown wealth inequality stories at about fifty
times higher than stories on real property. And people that
have extreme wealth, the majority of them has said, well,
first of all, it's it's hard to hang on to it,
hard to hang on to welcome with the three generations.
But the majority of them, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Mark
Zickelberger said I will give back ninety nine percent of

(15:54):
my wealth the society I made.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
It in before they go.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
And most people start donating as they get later in life.
They're using their money to build their company, build their company,
build their company, like Bill Gates with Microsoft. Then when
they're old, they're like, I'm starting a forty five billion
dollars save the world stot and malaria, get a vaccazine
for AIDS fund. Right, you know, excessive wealth comes back

(16:17):
into society.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
It's just hard to keep.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
You can't spend it all, you can't take it with you. Right,
that's why and if you're wired to work all the time.
I have friends like that. It's like, well, you're not
going to die and leave all this money to their
government and kids who are just going to simply take
the money and spend it on fun stuff that you
didn't do. Derek Bullen uh in Defense of Wealth is
zame of the book. Thanks again for the time, Derek,
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Thank you, Scott.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
How about some news weather traffic. Let's do that in
about four minutes here on seven hundred WW.

Speaker 8 (16:46):
All right.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
We live in an age of political retribution. Authorititics is
about winning, and now more so than ever in our lifetime,
it's about retribution. And that is true nationally. And I'm
sure a lot of people go, oh, you must be
talking about Trump if I were talking about it locally.
It's really interesting what's happening here in Cincinnati, Ohio. And

(17:08):
I go back, of course to the beatdowns over the summer,
where you had an individual who is the victim, which
we thought was a victim. Then it turns out, well, no,
he may be the We want to charge him like
the assailants, and so you do that, and we have
not heard anything about of course, this case for some time,
it kind of got swept under the rug. I don't
know how you do that, but it did in a sense.
Is it because we had to come to some sort

(17:28):
of preordained conclusion and make the make the evidence fit
what it does we came to in the first place.
Is that happening to some degree right now? With the
decision by Hamlin County Prosecutor County Pelach last Friday, we
could go tomorrow. Relative to the Elwood Jones case. Elwood
Jones was blamed for the beating death of sixty seven
year old road to Nathan and Connie Pellich had been

(17:50):
considering for months want to pursue a new trial or
drop the charges. She went, and it is it's one
thing to go, hey, you don't what there's there's new
evidence out there. And she even said, so we have
new science that we think exonerates. Okay, well bring it
forward and let's hear that. What happened, though, was this
is more about saying, well, we're going to set up
this I guess commission or board or whatever you want

(18:13):
to call it, in order to examine cases to make
sure that only people guilty of crimes go to prison.
Or go to death row is a case of Elwood Jones,
and that was a cornerstone of her campaign when she
won office last year. All right, sons out well and
good and you make a case of that and go, okay,
we have to find a case now that would exemplify

(18:36):
and launch this thing because we need something to go.
This is why we need to do this. We need
a concrete example of injustice, gross injustice. And when you
do that, of course, you prosecute the individuals who prosecuted
Elwood Jones. You make them out to be bad people
in a sense, and saying they took evidence, they hit it.
And you know, the four thousand pages are left out

(18:56):
of this case, by the way, may add kind of
inconsequential from what I understand. I certainly didn't read the
four thousand pages, but I think to go after Joe
Dieters then the prosecute at the time, and to some
degree Mark peepe Meyer, the lead attorney in this case.
It's one thing to say, hey, we have new evidence
because of science and overturn. It's other to say we
took that science and it shows you it was a

(19:17):
conspiracy to Frank Melwood Jones, which of course borders on
slander and libel. I bring this up because I don't
know about you. I wasn't around when this crime happened.
I was pretty young when this thing happened, had no recollection.
I've been heard and heard it second hand yesterday on
the show on Willy's Show. If you missed this, it's
via the podcast, and it's absolutely compelling to listen to
Joe Dieters, now Ohio Supreme Court Justice and Mark Pittmeyer,

(19:42):
who was the lead attorney in this case Santa with
Willy and Mark as the lead attorney, laid out the case.
Is the evidence that they had against Elwood Jones back
in nineteen ninety four, and it is it's pretty interesting.
Let me play that for you real quick.

Speaker 9 (19:58):
Elwood Jones was working on the second floor of the
Embassy Suites hotel in the afternoon of I think it
was a Friday afternoon, setting up a banquet room when
a couple arrived to go into the room next door
to where he was working. That was Joe Kaplan and
Elaine Shue. Elwood could have easily seen them go into
that room, and our theory as he did see them
knew that it was a couple staying in that room.

(20:21):
Later that night, after Elwood got off of work, rode
to Nathan, our victim showed up. Elwood did not realize
now that there are three people in the room. The
next morning, the couple that first arrived went down to
breakfast and rote of Nathan is in the room. She's
going to take a shower, and Elwood is also working
in the room right next door.

Speaker 7 (20:41):
That day.

Speaker 9 (20:42):
It's a banquet room with the door open, and Elwood
is a thief. He's a career thief. And our belief
is is that he saw an opportunity, went in the
room because he thought it was open and confronts. Wrote
to Nathan, rode to Nathan, is savagely beaten. She died
of blunt force trauma. There was very little blood at
the scene because it was just beaten to death. About

(21:05):
a half hour later, the couple comes back from breakfast,
open the door and they find Roda Nathan laying on
the floor.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
All she had on her was a bath towe.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
They think, oh my god, she must have had a
heart attack, and they call paramatics and they come and
they're treating her, trying to revive her from what they
believed was a heart attack. Two other things were noticed
by the couple at the time. There was a distinctive
handweight made necklace that Rhoda always wore around her neck
and it was missing. Also, Elaine Shub noticed there were

(21:36):
hundreds of dollars of cash that she had in her
purse that was taken. One other thing is this is
a you know, thirty years ago or so on. Back then,
they didn't have the electronic key cards. You needed a
key to get in the door, and the door latched automatically,
but Joe Kaplan was sure when he left the room,
he did what most people do, checked to made sure
it was securely locked because they didn't want it open.

(21:58):
With rood In taking a shower. When Rhoda gets to
the hospital, she dies. They take her to the coroner's
office and lo and behold, they find that she died
from blunt for's trauma.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
A couple other things about her body.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
There was a couple of distinctive bruises that were developed
on her body. One was very consistent with a walkie
talkie which some of the workers in the hotel were issued.
Elwood Jones was one of those. There was also a
door chain a latch, which is kind of an unusual
mark to have on a body. She also had that
on her body, and it told us that whoever did

(22:33):
this three things we know for sure. The person had
to have a master key. The person also had to
have a walkie talkie, and the person also had to
have one of these door latches. We also know that
the person that did this took Rhoda's necklace. When Elwood
Jones arrived at work that morning, everybody noticed he was fine.

(22:53):
A couple hours later, people noticed that his left hand
was bandaged and people said, elwo, what happened to your hand?

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Person?

Speaker 9 (23:00):
He said, well, I's taking some trash out and I
fell and I cut it. And somebody else asked him,
he says, well, when I was up on the second
floor taking down that banquet room, a piece of the
floor and fell on my hand and he cut it.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
So some inconsistent things.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
Immediately, when Blue ass started investigating, they realized one.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Very important thing.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
Whoever did this had to be in the hotel that
morning and had to have a master key, and that
limited the suspect pool from hundreds of people in the
hotel to about four people. You know what I'm saying this,
I feel like I've given an opening statement again. But
these are the facts, and this is what we presented
to the jury. About four or five days later, Elwood's

(23:40):
hand got very infected and he's thinking, I'd better do
something about this. And he goes to some clinic and
there's a doctor, John McDonough, who taught at UC Med School,
and he was one of the best hand surgeons in
the country. And one day a month he would volunteer
to go to this clinic and treat people basically for free.
It's almost like God said, I want you there that

(24:02):
day because I want someone to see what Elwood has.
And Elwood comes in and his left hand has severely sworn.
It's Elwood, what what happened to your hand? And he
gives them a couple other stories. And the doctor knows
that anytime you've got a cut in one of your knuckles,
chances are you pop somebody in the mouth. He also
knows that inside the human gum line there's a bacteria

(24:23):
Aikinela Crodins. I don't know science very well. Hell, I
want to Roger Bacon I Joe couldn't get in, but
he had to settle for saying it's just sad, you know,
but we have standards like you. Anyway, he knew that
if I don't treat this hand for Konela crones or
tests for it, he's going to lose his hand. So

(24:44):
even though Elwood said I cut it on something, he
tested for this bacteria that's in the gum line. Lo
and behold, it's Akonela crodins. In fact, he was so
sure of this he took a picture of Elwood's hand
to teach to his medical students and said, if an
anybody ever comes in with a hand swollen like this,
you've got to test for that bacteria because if you don't,

(25:06):
they're probably gonna lose their hands. So when this came out,
everybody started focusing on Elwood. Blueesh police got a search
warrant for his car, for his home, for his trunk
of his car. A couple things they found. Number one,
they found Alwaukee talkie. That actually Joe and I went
to Washington, d C. And had the FBI lab look
at it and they were able to match it. Again,

(25:27):
it's Alwaukee talkie. There were more than one in that hotel,
but it matched all the rivets and everything matched exactly
the mark on road of Nathan's check chest. Also in
his toolbox there was one of these door latches and
that also matched the toolmark. The impression of that door
lock on her chest, which is again that's a lot

(25:51):
more unusual than Milwaukee Talkie. But the absolute thing that
clinched it all was that pendant of Rooda Nathan. They
were in a picture of taking of road to Nathan
wearing that and it matched exactly that pendant found in
the trunk of Elwood Jones's car.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
I think that's a pretty darn good case.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
That is.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Then lead prosecutor of this case, Mark pitp Meyer in
Study Yester with Joe Dieters and Willie Who. I hear
the entire thing. It's really compelling. Obviously I play at all.
I was a pretty long segment, I understand, but that's
available the iHeartRadio podcast page. Just go to the iHeartRadio
app down load. There is really really tough to listen to,
but also compelling at the same time. If you're a
friend of a true crime, I hear this and go okay.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Well.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Prosecutor County Pillows last week said that you know evidence
was left out. It made you think makes one think
believing that there was some conspiracy against Elwood Jones all
these years.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I listened to that and go, yeah, it's all circumstantial evidence.
But if you take enough pieces of circumstantial evidence and
put it all together, how many people could possibly have
done what Elwood Jones was accused of doing. So you know,
if you just said, hey, he was working in the
room next to this couple and he had a robbery record,

(27:07):
he had a jacket, I don't know how many, how
thick that was, but nonetheless he had prior history work
in the room next to them. They go to breakfast,
he sees that they left to go you know what
if I were, and Jerry go, okay, well I can't
convict a guy on that, just as soon as he happenstance, Okay,
four people that day had a master key. Well, that
narrows it down. He also had a walkie talkie. I

(27:32):
don't know how many people on duty that day had
a walkie talkie. How many people had access to a
doordling a door chain latch in their toolbox? I went,
I don't know, if you hit something and you push
them into the door, But the way the marks were
on the body and is such. There's no way from
what I understand, it could have been attached to the door.
It had to be a loose storchain, a latch which

(27:55):
pretty heavy. You look at that go out, it's almost
like a little many mace sort of thing you can
swing around. The fact that it worked that day, he
was fine middle of the day. He has his hand
bandaged up, and different stories as to how that accident occurred.
And then, of course the compelling piece of evidence here
the infection consistent with bacteria in the mouth. Now I
know that she also wrought a had appatitis B and

(28:17):
they said, well that's easily that's sort of a lot
more communicable than this particular disease. But you know, again,
you have it in your mouth, and she tested positive
Ford and you had the injury. How many people out
of that Ford does it have left? You look at
all this stuff and go, okay, he had the radio,
he had the key, he had the door latch, and

(28:38):
then you find the necklace in his trunk. How did
it end up there?

Speaker 8 (28:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Did I found it and I threw a Why Okay,
if I found a necklace, you'd probably put in your pocket,
take it down and lost and found. But it was
in his car, in his trunk of all things. I'm like,
all right, I understand that we have new forensic evidence
data that's coming out that could refute a lot of
this stuff, But for the life of me, I can't

(29:05):
figure out how it's anyone but Elwood Jones. But the
problem is, as I said, you know, politics today is
about retribution. And you know, if you say, having to
come up with a commission in order to make sure
that only people who are in jail or in prison
are there to make sure that we're consistent with our convictions,
and you know, to look through it. And I think
that's a noble thing. But in order to make that commission,

(29:27):
you need a reason, and the reason would be Elwood
Jones is this And I think that quite honestly, would
happened with the assaults over the summer that you know,
we saw the rush to judgment there, and we saw
the rush to try and convict someone of a racial
crime when it turns out he was the victim of
racial crime. And of course once that was discovered, you
don't hear about the story anymore. With these over the

(29:47):
summer beatdowns. Do we have the same kind of thing
happening here to a degree where you're like, hey, I
got to come up with a commission here, and now
we've got to find someone. And it just seems like
Elwood Jones, who's been very vocal about his imprisonment as
being innocent, as all people in prison are pretty innocent
if you listen to their story, that we found a
guy who could be the poster child for what it
is we're seeking to do. Which side do you believe?

(30:10):
Scott's loan seven hundred WW do.

Speaker 10 (30:12):
You want to be an American idiot?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Barry w Enderwick has a very cool Instagram free so
every day for the past number of years, he makes
a sandwich, makes a sandwich, and not just any sandwich.
He takes and makes a sandwich that was popular at
various times throughout history. So for example, he creates what
they're eating and let's say nineteen eighteen. I don't know

(30:38):
what that is they were eating in nineteen eight eighteen,
but safe to say, you know what sandwiches in nineteen
eighteen sucked compared to today. We are like, this is
the golden era of food. Let's just call it what
it is. His ig is at Sandwiches of History. He
makes one of those things today and he's got literally
billions of followers here and he joins the show now
to talk about it. Also has a book called Sandwich
The History of the Cookbook.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Barry W.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Dwick Welcome. So are you Berry?

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Thank you? I am doing great. How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm doing fine. I mean I like to eat man
and I'm guessing that's how you started this whole thing.
What the fascination with sandwiches? Howd that begin?

Speaker 8 (31:11):
Well? First of all, who doesn't love a sandwich? Always
loved the sandwiches. And the thing about sandwiches it's great
is you can change up everything about it and it's portable, right,
you can change out the bread, have the breads treated,
what's between the bread? So I just I love sandwiches
in general. But I found this PDF of the up
to date Sandwich book that was published in nineteen oh nine,
and I was like, wow, So these are what they
thought were the bees knees and nineteen oh nine, and

(31:33):
some of them quite clearly are not. But I thought
it'd be fun to do on social media kind of
share with people. And it turns out people are interested
in these old rereacipees, and I found that, you know,
most of the breast feeds fell in this area where
they were like, you know, if you just had an
ingredient or two, these might be pretty good. So that's
where the whole I'm gonna plus this up concept came from.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Nice everything. I'm a food I'm not liking over the
top foody, but I'm a foodie and I you know
what I I see like an I don't know the
menu that was served on the day the Titanic sunk.
I'm just I'm fascinated with like what they thought was
great at that time, like jello or you know, and
stuff either you look at it and go, man, I
really really like elderberries or whatever the hell it is

(32:13):
at that period of time. Like what was the fascination
with celery? Like some of those old menus from the
from the late eighteen to nineteen. It's like, well, I
have celery on the mind, dude, it's celery. What's the
big deal?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (32:23):
You know? Can I can I share with you one
of the oddest food trends that I came up across.
And you've been doing this yeast fresh yeast real Qushian brothers. Apparently, yeah,
apparently in the nineteen twenties, people started to buy bread
and eventually sliced bread in nineteen twenty eight, and so
they were cooking less at home, and so yeast de
Man went down and the Fleshman brothers wanted to do sales.
So they got together with a marketing company in New

(32:44):
York and came up with they eat Fresh Yeast for
Health campaign, and it somehow worked, and in fact, in
one of the books there is a recipe for a
yeast sandwich. And you know, I've never eaten wall paper paste,
but I can imagine question.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Well, you know, in one hundred years to own, there's
a big guy doing this on whatever platform. It is
a word dead and gone berry and it'd be like
mucked a powder or something like that. But what the
hell is that?

Speaker 5 (33:07):
I don't know that exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's all stuff is all trending. What is the worst
sandwich that you've ever eaten in from what years?

Speaker 8 (33:16):
You know? I do think that the yeast sandwich in
theaeteen twenties was is either the worst or tied for
the worst with the oyster sandwich from the up to
date Sandwich Book of nineteen oh nine, which had any
chopped raw oysters mixing with olive oil Worcester sauce and
put it between buttered bread with lettuce, and I like
raw oysters on the half show. That was an abomination.
That was just it was horrible textual nightmare.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I remember watching that on your feet actually and laughing
at a lot like this is gonna suck and it did?
You did that disappointment that?

Speaker 8 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes it sounds they read like they're going
to suck, and they don't. That doesn't happen as often
as i'd like, right, But the ones that suck, yeah,
they suck.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
We call them sandwiches. But is a sandwich a hogi,
a grinder, a sub, a sanga witch? Is it all
a yo? Is it all the same thing?

Speaker 8 (34:02):
Yes, it's all in the category of sandwich. And even
what's what's funny about that is the name sandwich comes
from the fourth Earl of Montague. Somehow he got his
name on it. But he clearly was not the first
person to put meat between breads. But he did a
good job of branding and boom, we call him sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Is a taco or a hot dog? A sandwich. Why
is a hot dog not a sandwich? A burger is
a sandwich, but a hot dog is I.

Speaker 8 (34:24):
Got you, I got it.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (34:26):
So taco I don't consider to be a sandwich because
the tortilla is of uniform thickness, so it acts more
like a sling than anything else. Hot dog, I think
technically is a sandwich for two reasons. One, everything's made up,
so just enjoy the hot dog. But two, if you
look at if you look at the bun, it's kind
of equal thickness on two sides, and it's a very
thin hinge to accommodate the tubular meat. And then that

(34:47):
sort of configuration kind of mirrors what you see it
like Jersey Mikes or what everyone the role. So to me,
technically it is a sandwich. Now, if you say, hey,
do you want a sandwich and you hear me a
hot dog, I'm gonna be like wait what? So there
is that disconnect, But I think it technically falls in
the category.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I see, I feel where you're coming from here, man Berry.
You know what I I love. I love the cut
of your cheese. But a taco is not what and
a roll up is not a sandwich, it's a roll up.
It's it's a tortilla.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
Yeah, exactly, wrap an The rap actually describes itself.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Did you ever just throw cautions and will get crazy
and have a wrap berry?

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Oh? Yeah's wild.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
You never get I mean, you.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Never get tired of sandwiches. It's amazing.

Speaker 8 (35:30):
I'm a guy who loves food. Yeah, so yeah, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna be uh. You know, it's
overly prescriptive about categories. If it's something sounds delicious on.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
The kindred spirits here, there's no doubt about it. You
mentioned the earliest, you know, the Earl of sandwich, which
actually was like like a chain they have the they
added to CBG at our airport when you land there
in a few days. That and and he wasn't obviously
the first one that I actually did a little research.
So the Helll's mixtury familiar with that?

Speaker 8 (35:57):
Oh yeah, hello, sandwich one hundred BC. In the Jewish
tradition they put together lamb and bitter herb between I
believe mansa.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So that's a sandwich that sounds terrible. That sounds like
have you recreated that one? Because that sounds like it
could serve, it could suck worse than an oyster sandwich.

Speaker 8 (36:12):
The modern equivalent is actually made with harrow set, which
is nuts and fruits, so it actually works pretty well.
I have not made it with the lamb, so and
you know the bitter herb like arugula, right, yeah, crazy,
it's not gonna be crazy better. So it was actually
pretty good. Yeah. But there's one older than that that
I've discovered that was in I've discovered. I came upon.

(36:35):
I did not discover it someone else house. And it's
called the Rogi Mo and it's from China, Shanxi Province,
two hundred BC. And it's basically along the Silk Road
where they created spices, and it's just a bunch of
warm spices and beef that gets stewed until it's just
fallen apart. Today it's made with pork belly predominantly, but
it was made with beef originally, and it's put inside

(36:55):
a griddle cake that split almost all the way through,
and it's like it's delicious.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Interesting, interesting, all right.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Berry W.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Nderwick is here. He has his ig feed and his
book is Sandwich of the History of the Cookbook, where
he has all this stuff in there too and just
goes through different eras in world history and makes a
sandwich daily on his ig feed, which is pretty damn
cool in my opinion. Pretty clearly America because we're always
on the go. I was talking, you know, talk about
like drive throughs and stuff like that, and it's such
an American thing. You go to Europe and they don't

(37:25):
do that at all. You got you actually have to
sit your ass down and have a coffee. There's no
drive even if you want to use the bathroom.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
You got.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
So we obviously must lead the world in portable fool food,
which is the sandwich starting with number one has got
to be the Hamburger. So after that, though, when you
look at world sandwiches, how would you rank who comes
in second to the US?

Speaker 8 (37:46):
Oh? Boy, you know, the UK absolutely loves it sandwiches.
You're right, they don't have drive throughs, but boy, how
do you can get a sandwich just about everywhere and
they're very passionate about it. Mexico has a fantastic array
of sandwiches. They're all using telearro rolls or they're using
Balio rows, but their torches down there are amazing. And

(38:09):
I think outside of that, then it starts to diminish
a little bit. But practically every cuisine seems to have
a sandwich, which is fantastic. That's another great thing about
this is like everywhere around the world. When I do
an Instagram Live, I'll get people from Sweden, I'll get
people from New Zealand, I'll get to Germany, I'll get
I've had people from Africa tune in. The sandwich just
seems to have a universal appeal.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Over in the ukn they have something called a chip
Buddy and you think, oh, as was it guy? But no,
it gets two slice of white bread with French fries
on it and butter.

Speaker 8 (38:40):
It's a carb bomb and it's probably not the healthiest
in the world, but it did tasty, especially if you
had a pint berry.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
If you're going carb bomb, what would it be? Would
it be a spaghetti sandwich?

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Was it you? You did a Was there a potato
salad sandwich?

Speaker 8 (38:54):
I thought there was a Yeah, I just did a
potato salad sandwich the other day. It had a little
bit of a hard boiled eggs and manage and there,
so it wasn't j just potatoes. It's kind of like
a mash up between the two. I would say that
the chip Buddy is probably up there with the carb
bombed sandwich. It tastes like you shouldn't be eating it,
but it tastes good.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Gotcha?

Speaker 5 (39:15):
All right?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So let's do this. Give me a sandwich from each
decade started on. We could do this all day, I suppose,
but let's say in nineteen ten.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
Up, because I've done like over a thousand sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh man, are we doing that? Whatever do you want? Man,
it's your show. I don't care this. I'm just sitting here.
I'm not early entertained by This is freaking awesome. Are
you kidding me? We're talking about sandwiches everyone. If you
don't like a sandwich, I demand you never listened to
the show.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Again.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Everyone loves sandwiches.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Wow, Well, let's see we've got the crooked Maseur sandwich
was developed in France in the nineteen ten okay, and
that is what again. It's ham and cheese basically, and
then fried bechamel sauce. It's quite good, it's quite decadent.
And then it's the foundation for the crook Madam, which

(40:08):
actually has an egg over easy egg on top.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Is this U currently right now? I mentioned at the
start Berry that this is the golden age of food.
Every year it gets better and better, or maybe worse
and horse and worse if you're handwringing vegan dietitian and
I look at this and go, it can't get any
better than it is right now. And I'm kind of
joke because you go back in the day like one
of your grandparents and they're like, oh, I want horsehound

(40:34):
candy or liquorice or like you look at it and go, yeah,
necko wafers, Like my god, food must have sucked when
you were a kid. Necko wafers and horsehound candy, whatever
there is today. I walk into a gas station, man,
and I'm indodated with sugar, chocolate, peanut, butter, fruit flavors,
artificial and otherwise. It's amazing. Like food back then was terrible.

Speaker 8 (40:54):
Well, okay, so you've got the context of what we
have now now if you go back in time, if
you were to go back in nineteen thirty two, for example,
you knew what you had in nineteen thirty two and
that was it. But I will say I agree with you,
this is amazing the access that we have to ingredients.
The speed with which we can get them and the
convenience which was with which we can get them is unbelievable.

(41:15):
And I'm pretty sure like the plus ups I applied
to these old rust spees, if someone from that era
came forward in times, it would probably blow their mind.
Like what do you need to collaborate in chili paste?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I know that's your thing when you when you do that,
you kind of use the sandwich up you called a
plus up for example. If I wanted a plus up
plus up a I don't know, a Crokemond shur for example,
what would you do?

Speaker 8 (41:37):
I'd want something a little bit with spikes. I'd probably
do like a hot sauce or chili flakes, just to
come through the richness because it is pretty rich.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Okay, Yeah, I mean that's the thing is that I'll
have our little thing that we put add to it going.
I need to use this up a little bit. It's
not quite right. You do that pretty much every episode,
especially the ones where you're eating the I don't know
the hell little mixture. You really got to put some
You gotta put a lot of ketchup on that bad boy.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
Yeah, there's some that require two or three ingredients to
make it into something better.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
But yeah, exactly, all right, So in the book, you
have one egg. Guy, there's a couple of rest of
the cucumber tea sandwich. That sounds So that sounds so Victorian.
I'm guessing it's like from that era.

Speaker 8 (42:18):
Right, Yeah, it's well, it's very light, and yeah, it's
it's I wanted to include different categories of sandwiches in
the cookbook, not just to have just sandwiches. So yeah,
I included that Matie snack sandwich section. And you know,
the idea behind the cookbook was I'd done. I've been
doing all these recipes and when you look at the
old recipes, they most of a lot of time they

(42:40):
don't give amount in the ingredients, or the balance is off,
like use two tablespoons of anchovy paste, no thank you.
Plus the recipes usually make like fifteen sandwiches and about you.
But I don't like dividing things by fifteen. So for
the book, what I did is I adapted the recipes.
I tested them so that they would make one sandwich,

(43:01):
put in the amounts, test to what the amount should be,
dialed back some, and just put together like a good
cross section of sandwiches and history. Both the International Club
Sandwiches just fun sandwiches, and included an original sandwich that
I created as well.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Oh god, well what sandwich is that? What do you
call that?

Speaker 8 (43:18):
It's called the Dusty Nutter Goose. It was a a
friend of mine who develops role playing games was launching
one called Landavimi said hey, would you make a sandwich
and honor?

Speaker 7 (43:28):
And I said sure.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
So I put this together and it's gonna sound insane.
Okay if you think about the if you think about
the flavor profiles, it works. So frozen waffle, peanut butter, smoke,
duck breast and cherry pop rocks.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Whoa, I get the cherry and the duck breast. That
that works together? Calling our fronds. Yeah, you know what, Actually,
it's one of those things you like that this is
gonna be It's probably awesome.

Speaker 8 (43:52):
Yeah, it's well, I think it's I think it's a
lot of fun. I think those flavors definitely do work together.
I've had I've had that before and I thought it was, like,
you know, it's it's for kids who are buying a
role playing game. How do you make it fun? To
make the cherry pop rocks.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Where you getting your pop rocks supply from?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Dude?

Speaker 8 (44:08):
Uh, well, I don't know. I just found uh at
a candy store okay here in Cleveland yesterday.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
All right, nice, Yeah, it's that's kind of fun. I'm like, man,
I haven't seen pop rocks in a long time.

Speaker 8 (44:20):
It's yeah, a specific gotcha, it's focused entirely on candy
because they're not at seven.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Eleven right right, Yeah, you don't have them there either,
not UDF anymore. Yeah, because you know, every kid would
get pop rocks and coke and try to kill themselves
and it never worked. Yeah, like Mike, yeah, right right,
just to your head. It doesn't make it doesn't make
your head explode.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
It off.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Well, by the way, I mentioned a cucumber tea sandwich
that fascinated What exact is it just cucumbers? Uh with
with like mayonnaise on them?

Speaker 8 (44:46):
What?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
What's are they? I just pictures there's a little tiny
slices of cucumber made in the sandwiches.

Speaker 8 (44:52):
Well, I'll tell you what, since they don't have a
memorize and I'll look it up.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh okay, damn, all right, I've heard that before though.
You kind of jogged my memories. Like you see like
the watercress sandwiches, and I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Yeah, so the cucumber sandwich is just sliced thinly sliced
cucumber in between, with a little salt, pepper, lemon juice
in between, buttered bread. It's just meant it's like a
light snack. It's not meant to be like something like
here's your lunch. But you could make it into something
more substantial with like shamp or avocado to because those
will go well with those flavors. Gotchall so, but it's

(45:28):
definitely a tea or a snack sandwich.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I see a sandwich here called hot chicken a tuna,
the hot chicken tuna sandwich. Is that just shredded chicken
to be made like tuna? Or are we taking the
sea and the foul and mixing them together?

Speaker 8 (45:42):
The hot chicken tuna sandwich, I remember correctly, that is
from the seventies. Okay, let me take a look at that,
because again I don't have these memorized.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I got you, sorry for putting me on the spot here,
Barry and Wick. I don't expect you to memorize ten
thousand sandwiches you've done over the last number of years
on Instagram. I get that I've turned this into like
the sixty minutes of sandwiches for crying out loud.

Speaker 8 (46:03):
It's good. Yeah, you're holding my feet to the fire. Okay, good. Yeah.
So it's uh boy, you mix. Yeah, you you basically
mix together tuna, green belt pepper onion soup mix and
cheddar cheese. Uh and you put that into in between
bread and then you spoon on top of a mixture
of uh uh chicken cream of chicken soup. It's got

(46:28):
some herbs, you know, other than the then you bake it. Wow,
and it's actually pretty tasty. You got a little skill
peppery gun top, is it?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (46:35):
That?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Because that is like the most fifty sixty seventies conveniency
crap I've ever heard. Right there, you're taking like.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
Yeah, the original original seventy four. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
So like I remember, like you hear like the Benny
Crocker stuff like back in the day, and that's when
women were coming there, and it's like, I don't know,
I don't want. I'm not gonna go out and do
laundrying in a in a creek somewhere and baked bread
from scratch. I'm gonna die, you know what. I'm getting
some drugs and I'm gonna watch TV, and I mean,
here's a here's a TV dinner scurry.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
You know, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (47:03):
I was gonna say, yeah, like seventy four was wild man,
it was. It was the seventies were all about convenience
and so it's cansa this, cans of that, for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
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Sandwiches of History. It's the Sandwiches of History cookbook that's
out right now, fascinating. He cooks a new sandwich every
day and has done so for the last number of years. Barry,
all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
Yeah, thank you, had a great time. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
All all right, if I have any breaking sandwich news
in the world, I'm calling you first. You know this, right,
I'm gonna put you on immediately.

Speaker 8 (47:32):
You got it, I'll get a red phone.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I appreciate it. See you, buddy, Take care of Barry
w Nderwick on the Scott's Loan Show with my boy Sonjay.
Next Scott's Loan seven hundred WW Thursday Morning, Scott's Loan
show continues on seven hundred WLW. One of our newer
features here is health, Wellness Fitness, and he is a
er doctor and he pops in every Thursday morning. This time, Sanjay,

(47:59):
good morning. How are you Jim Crimani of course in
the studio this morning. How's life?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Life is good? How's it treating you right now?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Let's do it fine? How busy were you with the
deep freeze slash deep snow we had?

Speaker 6 (48:09):
So?

Speaker 10 (48:10):
I yeah, I worked the whole weekend through the snow,
had to trudge up both both there and back again,
uphill both ways.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
If you were wondering, right, but it was, you know,
the roads were rough.

Speaker 10 (48:20):
But once he got there, I think everyone else realized
that too, and I saw very few patients. Wow, okay,
it's unfortunately everyone was smart and stayed inside for the
most part too.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Damn col to go to work, let alone go outside
and do stuff.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
It was.

Speaker 10 (48:33):
It was, but I'm glad, you know, people listened to
the news and the warnings and everything because it showed
even like, well, I was in Westchester, so I didn't
see any Santacon Santas, but I'm I'm hoping they were
all okay too.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, I wonder how many how many Santas were presenting downtown.
It's right because because it's snowing, it's icy, it's cold,
and you had alcohol to the mix and the big
groups of people. I could only imagine the stories well.

Speaker 10 (48:55):
And the worst thing would be if you go in
Saturday night because you're a Santa, and then you stay
in the er all night and you're leaving Sunday morning
still addressed as Sanna. Imagine that walk of shame.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, that is a huge walk of shop. Yeah, right, exactly.
I know you wanted to talk about New Year's resolutions
or resolutions. People often first of the year kick it
and go that's it, this is the year, this is
I got all these resolutions. Would you say the top
of the list one is getting healthier in twenty twenty
six for people?

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Is that the big one?

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (49:22):
Most things usually have to do with getting healthy, whether
it be working out more, eating better, and those are
those are the two that really dominate it. But even
you know, getting getting more social and spending more times
with friends is another one, and then better money spending,
they're all in there.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
You have a New Year's resolution for yourself.

Speaker 10 (49:42):
I have yet to think about it fully, I'm I
do a little weird things so long because I used
to do resolutions and they always failed, and you know,
we'll talk about why that probably.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Happened for me.

Speaker 10 (49:54):
But now I do have more of how do I
want to be as opposed to where do I want
to be? And so it's more about behaviors and actions
for me. But that's just how I do it.

Speaker 8 (50:02):
What do you? What about you?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I tend to set the bar very low, Like example,
I set him to start smoking crack first of the year,
and then if I if I don't do it, then
it's like I feel like I've accomplished something. Yeah, well done. Yeah,
hopefully hopefully you reach that goal. Yeah this year, I'm
you know, I'm gonna do I'm I'm gonna start smoking.
My goal is to gain thirty pounds this year. And

(50:25):
you're like, don't. It's like, because again, if you like,
you're a high expectation guy, you're you're a learned physician,
you're a healthy you know in a gym, you have
all these things. I just set the bar and remerca
so low and you can always hop over it.

Speaker 10 (50:37):
Well, you know, actually you're tapping into something they're slow
because like maybe not thirty pounds, you know, in the
year to gain, but but still, like setting the bar
low is important, and I think that's where a lot
of people get it wrong.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
You know, the.

Speaker 11 (50:52):
Donja why why push yourself? You don't have tonna go
too far. You're gonna fall off a cliff. But if
you push yourself lightly, you may just stay on the
edge and and continue to ramp up your life. Right right, Okay,
you know this is the year. It's like, okay, ihe
didn't rob a bank this year, don't I deserve something?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I mean, much better than the last year?

Speaker 8 (51:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Fantastic? Well, right, exactly. Yeah, And it's part of the
problem though, Seriously, you set the bar so high. It's like, yeah,
this is it. I'm gonna I'm gonna lose thirty pounds
and I'm gonna work out five days a week, and
I'm gonna I'm saying I'm gonna save a third of
my income and like all these unreasonable, impossible goals.

Speaker 10 (51:25):
Oh, there's a few things there that you just named,
so like use the and word. And so we oftentimes
choose a lot of goals to start our year because
we're ready and it's all in good faith and we
mean to do well. But when you do too much
and try to aim for too much, both with how
many things you want to do and how much you
want to do, you're setting yourself up for failure. So

(51:47):
the better thing is choose one thing, choose one thing
that you want to make better, and then don't rely
on willpower alone. So a lot of us are just like,
I'm just gonna, you know, be healthier this year and
never eat anything fat for the next three hundred and
sixty five days, and it's like it's not going to happen.
And so those are the those are some of the
early pitfalls we see as far as resolutions go. The

(52:10):
other one being were oftentimes just very vague. I'm going
to be healthier, what does that mean? And so it's
it's actually tying that to what, you know, what what
does this really look like to you? And it doesn't
have to be I have to lose thirty pounds and
I have to do this, and I have to do this,
just just one thing, you know, And then it's the

(52:32):
how you want to do it, so like the specific
behaviors you want to do. And then I always like
thinking about the why, so the what, the how, the
why and really why not just because I want to
be healthier. It's like, well, why do I want to
be healthier? Well, I want to move a little bit better.
Why do I want to move better?

Speaker 6 (52:49):
Well?

Speaker 10 (52:49):
I want to be better for my children, so I
can play with them till I'm ninety five. And now
we're getting to the emotional stuff that will actually drive
you interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Okay, So find an emotion component of just like, hey,
I want to loose go out because i'm you know,
I want my clothes to fit better. But there's their
self esteem issues there as well. Typically it's diet, exercise.
Maybe finance is coming to play here as well. But
you can only do so much, as the bottom line,
only do so much, and like, you know, give yourself
some grace. There's a reason that everyone fails their New
Year's resolution. Ninety percent of people do not follow through

(53:20):
on the New year's resolutions. But it's not because the
goals are bad, right, It's because the systems aren't, you know,
great for you. It's like Einstein's thing of you know,
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing the
same way over and over again and expecting different results, right,
You got to change the system if you want to
get results. It's not you're not You're not shooting poorly,

(53:41):
you're just you know, able to continue that matterphor you
know the basketball the baskets just said at the wrong height,
all right, relative to that, you have reasonable exotiations going in.
I get that. But the failure rate is always so
damn high. That's that's part. But how long does it
take to establish because you if you're going to do it,
you got to make a comitment. And how long before

(54:01):
it becomes a habit, a good habit.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
So really, if you want to at least start and
start the wheels really turning on their own, it starts
with the first twenty one days. Yeah, if you can
get past the first twenty one days, your chances are
much higher. Suddenly, quitting day in January, that'll be the
second Friday in January. That's when most people's resolutions fail.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
It goes away.

Speaker 10 (54:24):
You're heading into the second week end of the year.
The steam kind of runs out, and so it is
your willpower.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
The newness of the whole thing is like, I'm going
to be sore again tomorrow, and I think you know
when it comes to exercise, and that's your specialty, that soreness.
It takes a while before it turns into a good soreness.
You know, what I'm saying is initially your overwhelmed maneuver,
because you know you're lengthening your tendons before muscles get them.
You're not seeing any progress. It's awfully difficult. You're sore

(54:52):
for a while. How long does that last? If you're
looking to do a fitness.

Speaker 10 (54:55):
Routeam that soreness will get better over you know, the
first three months. So we say it revive, which is
my gym, give us three months, give us three months
so that you see results. After one month, you're going
to be feeling better. After three months you're going to
start really seeing it and feeling it. And so we
aim for that, and we ask for that dedication from

(55:17):
our clients to give us that and also give it
to themselves of one, giving themselves grace, but also giving
you know, giving us the faith that they're in it.
And in three months we'll see and we promise, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Twenty one days though it's like, Okay, I get through
the first twenty one days. It's a habit now. But
it's awfully difficult. And this is why exercise sucks. It's
because when you first start, you know, we've been doing
it for a while, but when you first start, man,
that soreness is real and it's persistent. You just got
to got to fight through that pain.

Speaker 10 (55:44):
It's painful. But no, also, no, if you're going to start,
you know, exercising this year, No, it's universal.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
You're not alone.

Speaker 10 (55:50):
This happens to everyone, and it's a question. That's when
I kind of dig into that why well, why am
I doing this?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (55:55):
And that sometimes that emotion battles that pain emotion and
wins out. And that's what I hope for almost every
time I go to the gym, because I will say
that I still have a lot of inertia when it
comes to the gym, but I say, you know, this
is for my own betterment so that I can serve
other people better. And that's why I hit the gym.
Everyone's going to have their own reasons, right. I want
to feel my best so I can be my best.

Speaker 7 (56:16):
For the people.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Typically, also, folks go in without a plan when it
comes to that, and it doesn't have to be you know,
and it's age appropriate Now, the younger you start, the
better off it is. You heal faster, you recover, and
now you build a pattern for life. But if you
is it too late in your fifties and sixties? Never
I started.

Speaker 10 (56:31):
I mean this may sound young and relative to the
numbers you just gave, but I started when I was
thirty eight. I was completely out of shape at that
point and I started them. But we have a ton
of people coming to the gym when they're sixties, seventies
even and just want to feel better, and so it's
never too late. It's but to your point of not
having a plan as a problem, and so that's the

(56:53):
importance of potentially having a coach. I mean, if you
don't have the money for a coach, though chatchypt is free,
what you could do just throw something into AI and say,
I want to have a sustainable habit to get more
fit this year with strength training. Can you devise something
with some habits that I can do this year to

(57:13):
feel better and that you know, let AI go for it.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
And be as specific as you want.

Speaker 10 (57:19):
I'm doing this because I want to lift up my grandchildren,
and can you devise a plan for me?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
And AI will do that for you and you can
even factor and it's like, oh, also, by the way,
I had my shoulder replaced and my left knee is bad,
and can you and they'll they'll build in alternatives and
different mechanisms for you to get to reach your goal.
It's really cool. It is cool.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
So you have that.

Speaker 10 (57:39):
I mean, I do prefer in person. And that was
one of the biggest reasons I got a coach seven
years ago, was have accountability. And this there's actually it shows.
So if you write down a goal, it'll increase your
chance of following through on your promise to yourself by
like fifty percent. If you tell someone about it, it's

(57:59):
about a two thirds increase. So you're like, it's you know,
sixty seven percent more likely. But if you actually have
an accountability person, whether it be a coach that you
have to go to, someone you check in with, a
class that you sign up for, if you if you
have to do something for something else, it's about ninety
five percent. So if you if you have a coach,
you're you're setting yourself up because you know, if you

(58:21):
do devise your own plan with AI uh, there's there's
a chance you'll succeed. But having a person that you're
a smart, you know, accountable to really helped. But you
can also you know, and again YouTube is a great
to learn how to do the exerciy And that's the thing.
Form is and function that's very you can get seriously
hurt right if you're not doing it right or you
think you know what you're doing, because you're still the
amount of people walk into a gym and go okay,

(58:42):
I got my gym membership and there's yeah, you're not
thinking the results you want. You're also a chance you're
gonna get hurt too as well, and you have to
come up with a plan. It's so easy to do
it now with chat, GPT and YouTube you can learn
how to do the exercises correctly. Sign Jay shape Cremani
our doctor and fitness guy in the Scotland show Pops
in every Thursday morning. We're talking about New Year's resolutions
and fitness probably at the top of the list. Fitness

(59:05):
and finance is probably the big two for people. We
can only do one thing. We're not talking money with
Sanja here. What about picking an actual gym?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Now you say okay, you guys offer personal training and
coaching and that's going to be more expensive. There's gyms
out there you can get like ten bucks a month. Right,
If that's you and you're like, Okay, I want to
do something or just go out and so walking whatever
it might be, let's talk about that, Jim. What do
you look for in a program or a gym? What
should someone going the first time? What should I look for?

Speaker 5 (59:31):
So it really depends what your goals are.

Speaker 10 (59:34):
If you're well versed in exercise and you just want
a place to lift weights and do stuff, yeah, sure,
a Planet Fitness or a you know, group gym is fine.
CrossFit for those that are younger and want to do
that kind of thing, Yeah, there is the operative there.
I mean there are certainly people they are older, but
you have to have some experience in that if you're

(59:55):
going to be in your forties and fifties. Unless it's
a CrossFit gym that does more attention, it's you know,
the reason we built an individualized training gym where everyone
gets their own program is we see that everyone's different.
Everyone has their own goals, and everybody needs a different
sort of degree of attention, and everyone has different motivations.

(01:00:18):
So we see the habits play out in real life
and like we lean into that. So I mean it's
a complicated question. I'll tell you that like the bigger
gyms name names, but the huge gyms they rely on
people just to sign up. If you're paying ten bucks
a month, if all of their people came in, they
would have trouble. They rely on people signing up and

(01:00:39):
probably quitting by the second February, still in January and
still paying. I would recommend going to a place that
you want to keep coming back to, and that's what
I would look for, you know, the vibe for lack
of a better term, but also the workouts and the
gains you're getting, and so things are going to be
built differently to what you want. You know, there's there're
a running programs out there if you just want to run,

(01:01:01):
But what we also know is strenth training is important
for running. So you want to do both. And so
it really depends on the people that surround you. The
carry you get, and how much attention you need. I'd
say are the most important along with your goal specifically,
and if that if that gym you know, focuses on that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Also if you're new to gym, wipe it down. If
you touch it, and also put your damn white to it.
Rack your whites, would you please, please? Thank you please?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And also the good look too. I think you carry
around a giant duffel bag that could carry human in it.
Drag it around on the floor, get some powder for
your hands, spread that all over the place. And you
also need a gallon jugg of water to carry with you.
Those are the three big things.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
Don't forget your selfie stick so that you can film
every moment right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Right right now. All bring luggage with them in a
gym is like, what do you have in this giant bag?

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
It does clear a room though, So if they're just
looking for a space, good for you. The people that
bring the more stuff they bring with them, like supplies
and big you know, you can get a court bottle
and fill the four times. Yeah, I'm not good at math,
but I know that much. It's like the more stuff
they bring with the less work. It seems like they
actually do right well.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
I mean, they're just preparing for the apocalypse and so
if that comes, they'll be good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Scares people away too good. And I will point out
in closing her because I know we got to go again,
age appropriate, right, So you're not going to try to
put up to twenty five thirty times if you're sixty,
you want to try to build up there in your twenties, thirties,
maybe forties. But like at my age now, I'm going
to closer to six to ozho than I am five zero.
It's more about functional strength and flexibility for me now.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
Yeah, again, you know, the most important things if you're
going to start something new is start small, and you know,
start specific age appropriate for you, and eventually the games
will come. But also what the final thing will be
is reward yourself, even if it's kind of like if
you've decided to do two push ups a day and
that's it, give yourself a literal pat on the back

(01:02:51):
after you do your two push ups. Your body loves
to be rewarded. We are simple creatures at the end
of the day, and if we reward ourselves, even if
it feels dumb, reward yourself. Maybe not with a cheesecake,
you know, after doing two push ups, Yeah, pat yourself
on the back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Easy part is if you keep that up to push
ups and you push yourself for three months, you're going
to be absolutely in away through the progress you made
in ninety days. Sign J Shafercrimani. He's our resident eer
doctor and of course uh fitness and food guy here
on the Scots Slunchire Thursday mornings. Have a great holiday, man,
and we won't see each other till after the first
of the year. I think right sounds great. Appreciate it, Sam,
Thanks again, Sloaney seven hundred WW. You want to be

(01:03:27):
in a Manican he's got flown out seven hundred w
LW buried in the news and quite a bit of
news for us. The allegedly slow cycle right. More domestic
terrorism aplot dis erupted. FBI arrested four people as part
of a radical pro Palestini extremist group, arrested for planning
an attack on New Year's Even Los Angeles. They caught

(01:03:48):
them with IEDs that they're making complex pipe bombs with
The FBI said they're going to target five separate locations
on Christmas Eve if across the Los Angeles, including two
big US companies as well as ice agent's vehicle and
the like. And so if you look at domestic terrorism,
you know, in our lifetime, if you're a little bit
older anyway, you call terrorism from abroad right nine to eleven,

(01:04:09):
et cetera. And we are clearly in the age of
domestic terrorism. Over the last ten years, investigations have grown
over three hundred and fifty percent, and in that time period,
investing open investigations, meaning there's probable cause more than quadrupled.
Mark Nzilaco's here. He is a former director of the
International Studies Program at the University of Dayton, also founder

(01:04:29):
the Human Rights Studies Program there. Mark, Welcome back to
the show.

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
How are you fine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I'm doing fine.

Speaker 8 (01:04:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
For those who you know, we're worried about foreign terrorism,
it's domestic terrorism. It's been the story of the narrative
for a lot longer than that. What do we know
about this group, the Turtle Island Liberation Front, the TILF.
It sounds almost like a I don't know, a Clancy novel, right,
I mean that kind of name alone strikes me as
Turtle Island Liberation Front, very left wing, very terroristic group.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
Yeah, I had that one wasn't on my radar because
it's it's small, and you're correct, the name, the Turtle
Islands Freedom Front. It doesn't inspire, you know, it sounds like,
you know, I don't know, vacation spot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
Yeah, and seems from what I thought about the explosives
that there was they had gone to the desert that
brought precursor chemicals, uh to make either them all multile
cocktails or id. They did not seem to be sophisticated,
very sophisticated explosive devices. I don't want to downplay them
at all, but they don't seem like the truck bombs

(01:05:37):
of you know, uh uh, you know the truck bombs
of Oklahoma City.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
They were just basic black powder, weren't they.

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
And you know, their their operational securities not very good.
The f I can track them complain things, and I don't,
but I don't want to just mean, don't diminish the threat.
We thought for a decade or so that the rise
of sort of neo Nazi type right wing extremists, anti government,
anti immigrant, antisemitic groups. But no, the left wing groups

(01:06:13):
is still out there, particularly after Hamas launched this homicidal attack.
It's genocidal attack from Gaza. There's been increases of antistemic
violence threats. Hell, we had firebomb on the mayor, the
governor of Pennsylvania. So yeah, the threat of wrestling extreament

(01:06:36):
has always been out there. It's incredible you said it
this last time I was on your program. Step When
you look at the number of.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
People, the percentage in the thirties.

Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
Who believe that political violence is justifiable and this is
a time for political lives, I think that's thirty percent
of the population thinking about using violence to settle political grievances.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
It's amazing we got in that era, and so with
this TLF group that their ideology is basically free Palestine,
free Hawaii, free Puerto Rico, and free the world from
American imperialism. By blowing up targets in Los Angeles, one
just scratches their head. Is someone outside this going hot?
How do you connect all those dusts together to the point, well,
we're going to free Hawaii, which is a state, free

(01:07:19):
Puerto Rico by blowing up Los Angeles. You just wonder
what kind of world these people live in. And that's
a scary part. Is there a when they investigate these people?
Is there a mental component to this thing? Because it
sounds crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
You know, it's very difficult to understand the causes of it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:38):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
I believed for a very long time that ideas and
ideologies are behind the violence. You know that the lies
can kill, whether they're coming from the propaganda's coming from
the left or the right. But you're seeing something about
many of the perpetrators. People are a wrestler or people

(01:07:58):
commit these crimes are they're socially isolated, they're narcissistic, and
they're rehilistic.

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
They didn't believe in nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
And but and there's some joy they can get some
sense of personal satisfaction they derive from belonging to some
organization a Total Island Liberation Front. I mean, for christ sakes,
it gives gives one a sense of purpose, a sense
of meaning, and and and and so it's a deep

(01:08:31):
psychological and sociological problem that those of us who study
domestic terrorism are trying to understand and trying to come
to terms with.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, and then you Markin's lucky. You put these people
out there and give them a browser, uh, and they
find each other. And that that really is the problem
that's are seeing a rise in all this because now
you may have the most crazy views in the world
about stuff, whether it's terrorism, whether it's I don't know,
sexual proclivities, anything like that. You can find kindred spirits
online and form a group.

Speaker 7 (01:08:57):
Yeah, certainly true.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
You know when you see these these small little groups
that are very amateuristic, right, that scares me.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
It worries me deeply.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
But you talk about communicating to one another, I'd rather
have a conspiracy of five, six, seven people because the
more people are involved in conspiracy, more likely the authorities
can discover it. What really terrifies me is the true
lone wolf. Whether they're inspired by isis like these people
in Australia, or inspired by something else, they act alone,

(01:09:32):
and the radicalization is is deep. It's linked to psychological
issues as well. They come from me, to come from
dysfunctional families, and that is a phenomenon that's very difficult
for us to monitor, particularly in the society like ours
that believes in you know, freedom, so civil liberties. So

(01:09:54):
we're you know, body Beach scares the.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
Heck out of me.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
We we had that right in twenty eighteen, right the
Tree of Life in Pittsburgh eleven dead by a lone person,
Robert Power. So what we just saw linked to a
Helica celebration is to people myself monitor this very very disconcerting.

Speaker 7 (01:10:17):
Very frightening.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Yeah, he's doctor Mark Anziolaco, University of Dayon, former International
Studies program director, also a founder Human Rights Studies program,
expert in political terrorism. And as we're talking about today
with the thwarted plot in Los Angeles New Year's Eve,
five separate locations in LA targeted by this Turtle Island
Liberation Front groom, extreme left wing group. We're making IEDs

(01:10:40):
in the desert or stopped by the FBI because of
the work of a confidential inflorment. Of course, you know,
we just had the Bondi Beach shooting, the massacre there,
and we talk about domestic terrorism this morning, which has
been a concern now for the past decade and a
half at least. We've gone from international terrorism to domestic
terrorism now. And for the reasons we've just described, this

(01:11:02):
group plan mark to attack corporate targets two US companies
opposed to like government buildings. And you know, obviously the
ICE was involved in this too as well. It's not
solely based on corporate targets as well, but attacking capitalist
infrastructure rather than people. Are they following like is that indicay,
Like they're following a specific playbook here or they just

(01:11:22):
determined that these two s companies, for whatever reason, were
easier targets. Or take us through what you think might
the selection process might be.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
Well, this is very similar to the domestic terrorism in
the nineteen seventies, which was driven by the left right.
So you had the weather underground, the weather man organizations
like this. Remember they blew up a townhouse in Manhattan
when they're making a bomb and malfunction and it was

(01:11:51):
killed in next Dustin's. Dustin Hoffman's apartment was right next
to the So these people were out there. So they
had this crazy ideology that capitalism. They're Marxists, right, So
capitalism is the root of all evil, and that means
corporate capitalism, and so you turn corporations and the letter
bombs were sent to major corporations, and of course symbols

(01:12:15):
of American imperialism, the military, right, the Pentagon, your bomb,
the Penttheon. I remember having a conversation with Bernard A.
Dorn was convicted of planting a bomb at the Pentegon
to get into her ideology.

Speaker 7 (01:12:29):
So there was this crazy idea.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
You know, you said a minute ago, how do you
link free Puerto Rico to free to liberally what they can.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
Their ideology is such.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
They can for us, it takes leaps and bounds to
move from one idea to the other. That they all
blown together, so that I'm worried about. You know, we
saw a while back the alone individual shoots to Dad
Healthcare CEO in New York. Because you're striking a blow.

(01:13:02):
You're striking a blow for the revolution. The language, you know,
I study of their language. You know these are crimes,
these are revolutionary acts, right or they're armed propaganda. I
mean they've they've got a vocabulary, an entire glossary of
ideas that justify violence. And you read their their, their their,

(01:13:25):
there's statements right there. They're community case, they're absurd, they're ridiculous.
But yeah, you know, for a long time, if I
talked about this several times, the threat has been on
the right, the anti Semitic groups and neo Nazi groups,
the anti immigration groups. But hey, lefs still out there,
and there's reasons to strike a blow for the revolutionism.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Do we see do we see the pendulum swing in
these times? Mark Ensilaco in that when you have a
democrat or democrats solgic control of the government, uh, that
you start to see arise on the right of domestic terrorism,
and conversely, when it appears Republicans control everything, those on
the left rise up.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
Yeah, it's a good, workable hypothesis, and it's not quite
as simple as that, but yeah, I mean when, for example,
when Barack Obama was elected I heard African American was
elected president.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
Uh, you saw a.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
Rapid increase in the numbers of individuals who joined either
anti Semitic groups, no Nazi groups or whatever. So there
was that reaction to the sort of unpresident thing of
an African American becoming uh remember the brother lie right,
the birther stuff, he's false, right, Yeah, So that that

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that narrative provides the basis.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
For a justification of the violent tacts. So yes, I mainly.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
How to put this, I.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
Think we're not seeing a real number increase the number
of left wing groups, but it's it's quite possible. It's
quite most of the violence lately has.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Been has been on the right right, Yeah, and maybe
it is because of that's starting to go the other
way and both those groups on the right and left
can touch hands because of their unhinged beliefs and whatever.
Vilification isn't that comes from the candidates and politics too,
party system as well. Is your job is to vilify
the other side, and then there are people on the
extremes and the margins that take that to an extreme level,

(01:15:20):
and they just continue to fuel it when they talk
about you know, you know, attacking or killing your opponents.
The other thing going to hear too, Mark, I wanted
to bring this up is most speaking of terrorism, Trump
just designated Venezuela a foreign terrorist organization and ordered a
blockade of all US anction oil tanker service in the country.
Kind of an escalation in this to a degree in

(01:15:42):
Venezuela just came out of the blue as to the
threat that they pose. And I think what is clearly
what's going on here, and tell me if I'm wrong,
is that the pretext is drugs. Because we all hate
drugs or anti drug we foreign drugs, ventanyls killing our society,
it's universally condemned. We target drug boats first. That provides
our on political and military cover because you know, administrations

(01:16:04):
have found broad public support for actions against drug traffickers
and drug dealers. And so now we've moved to the
oil confiscation control part, which was probably the whole reason
we did this in the first place.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
True, Well, this Venezuelan situation is puzzling and it's worrisome.
You know, the war on drugs, Yeah, Sentinel is killing
Americans by the thousands, and yet the President United States
pardons the former president Honduras who had turned Honduras into
an arco state.

Speaker 7 (01:16:35):
Yeah, it's inexplicable to me.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
Americans need to play attention to what's going to slow
burn in Venezuela, particularly MAGA supporters who sincerely wanted the
United States out of endless wars. Well, it looks like
the President's dragging us into a regional war. Now, granted,
Venezuela won't take along the over throw off the Marines land,

(01:17:00):
but the naval, the military build up is incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:17:04):
And you know, look, we will give you a piece
of news that was buried the sky.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
A blue a jet, a passenger jet, was flying from
Corsaw to New York and US Air Force fuel refueling
tanker cut it off with the m two miles over
twenty seconds from mirror collision. But the plane had its
transponder off and wasn't pinged. It was involved in a
clandestine operation military so when you nearly had a mid

(01:17:32):
air collision related to remember president said a few weeks
ago that airlines should consider the airspace in Venezuela's off
limits as too dangerous. I mean, what's going on is.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
Something that needs to be paid attention to. Yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Clearly the oil is meant to bring pressure on Cuba
and around.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
In North Korea too.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
So on the one hand, you got the shootings of
the boats, get the boat singings. Three more well, in
the last few days, three more boats were blown up
by our aircraft. But now so there's that that's one drugs,
but the rest of the President's action seemed to be
mean to destabilized to overthrow Maduro. So Americans need to

(01:18:26):
pay attention and decide we want to go in this direction.
And then you know, there's a lot of people pay
much attention to it. But the whole issue over war
crimes in that double tap the first of September, our
destruction of the one boat, where there's a second strike
twenty minutes later killed two and the Secretary of Defense,

(01:18:47):
I won't say secretary of war, Secretary of Defense refused
to release the raw footage of that. Yeah, So there
are things that really Americans, You and I have seen
the ebbs and flow of America politics. Recognize the importance
of our institutions and their principles and our norms and
and those are a thread.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
But that's the danger of the times in which you're in,
because you know, if you pledge allegiance to as opposed
to the Constitution, it's one individual in this case, Donald Trump.
And if you criticize that, say, you know, you're thrown
out of the collective herd or somehow you're seen as
an enemy. But you know, the real problem here is
just ignoring the Constitution exists for a reason, it's got

(01:19:26):
us thus far. That's probably what we should be looking at. Nonetheless, Yeah,
final point, go ahead, Mark.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Well, you know, back to the earlier point you made
with the rise of the left, that was a bit
of a surprise. We knew the right was acting, but
I sort of I did imagine that the left would
radicalize because I believe we've got three more years of
Trump absolutely, and other people believe he's just joying the Constitution.

(01:19:52):
He's an insipid autocrat, he's pro poutent, et cetera, et cetera.
If you believe that the President is really the danger.
That's that's that's a recipe for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Yeah, we've dehumanized and made the made the you know,
the figurehead. He's the problem, and he's he's going to
destroy both sides said that destroying America. People like this.
Hear that in this Turtle Island Literation front, and they're
going to take that to an extreme. He's doctor Markan,
Silaco University, Dayton political terrorism expert. Mark always enjoyed the convo.
Thanks again, Happy holidays. You all right, take care. Let

(01:20:25):
me get a time out in. We're running light. We
got to get some news in. We got weather moving in.
We had fifty below zero and six inches of snow
a couple of days ago. Now we got all the
snow melting and warm and it's gonna rain. That's gonna
turn icy again. Welcome to Cincinnati, Baby seven out er
w W.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Last segment of twenty twenty five for US last segment, Martin,
how are you hey?

Speaker 12 (01:21:17):
I'm good. I guess you know somebody My neighbor yesday,
our neighbor yesterday. He reminded me that next week is Christmas.
I had no idea. I'm like, no, it's in two weeks, right, No, No, today,
today's eighteenth, I think, And then she added a couple

(01:21:38):
more days.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
It's close to one week from today. Michelle, dang, I
better get on it.

Speaker 12 (01:21:44):
Maybe I need to stop at Walgreens or Low's or.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Oh that's what I mean. It's a Walgreens Christmas.

Speaker 12 (01:21:53):
Well, we've had those before.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I know all believe me.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
You real nice clerk. That's usually the way it is.
I mean, it's funny because you you do a lot
of things wonderfully, but you are the worst gift giver.
I mean, I've done some really nice gift I shouldn't
say that. There's been some just mind blowing gifts you've gotten.

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
You just I think you just get in your own
head and then you can't make a decision and then
ultimately you wind up buying beef jerky at speedway.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Yeah do you like jerky?

Speaker 8 (01:22:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Yeah? Yeah, sure, who doesn't like beef jerky? And lottery
and scratch offs?

Speaker 12 (01:22:33):
Oh, scratch off? Actually, scratch off. That's a good one.
That's a good one that I got to send some
of those to my dad.

Speaker 7 (01:22:41):
I think we have enough degenerator.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, he loves scratch off stuff. That's it's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
The gift giving is that is definitely not your Usually,
you know, guys and relationships, when you look at the
woman and go, okay, we need a good gift here,
and you come up with something killer. You don't have
that you don't have that to your to that point,
the gene that you don't have. As a matter of fact,
you just gifted me the other day. You were finally
out because you know, your knee surge and stuff like that,
and you brought back a dessert. You're like, wow, I

(01:23:08):
saw this and I got dessert for us great. And
I went to have my dessert and there was just
crumbs left. So even when you give a gift, you
take it back.

Speaker 12 (01:23:18):
We were a blue ass chili and I was paying
the bill.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
That was good, yep.

Speaker 12 (01:23:24):
And of course they have the nice all of the
sweets and the cakes and the pies, and I'm like, oh,
that coconut cake looks so good. I'm gonna I'm gonna
have a piece of that.

Speaker 7 (01:23:38):
It's a little piece for me.

Speaker 12 (01:23:42):
And then I'm gonna get you because you like cheesecake.
So I'm gonna get Scott a cheesecake. And he's like,
what are you doing. I'm like, no, but I got
a little crump forest for later. So you saw the
the of course you saw the cake and you're like, oh,
I like that. Shoot, I said what about this? I

(01:24:04):
got this one for you. So well, I don't really
like cheesecake with all that extra stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, a lot of different caramel and nuts, and I
just playing cheesecakes. However, I'm like, oh, okay, I'll have it.
Maybe you know I wasn't feeling it. Well you know what,
next day I go. Yeah, next day I go in
there and everything's gone.

Speaker 12 (01:24:22):
I left you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
She left me a bite of No, I only had
a bite of it. I'm like, yeah, god, zella sized
bite taking out whole cities.

Speaker 12 (01:24:32):
Damn, Hey, you know what. I've been at home. The
thought that comes and you want to work, and that
cake and the pie and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
It was not good. It's not good when you're stuck
in the house with a bunch of good taste and food.
This time of the year is rough. So what is
the real estate topic today?

Speaker 12 (01:24:50):
Oh, it's a good one, you know. It's the gift
to keep on giving. No, it's for home owners. You
have to if you have any last minute gifts that
you need to get some maybe your neighbor, maybe one
of your kids who just maybe they were lucky enough
to even if they don't like ohone the home or
live in a home. There's always some gifts. And I'm

(01:25:11):
sure you every year I come up with the list.
This year I tried to ask chat gpt, and the
list that chat gupt gave me for homeowners was lame.
I even told them these are stupid. But let's see
what you think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Okay, before you get into this, the entire pretext accounts
to we set this conversation by talking about the wonderful
things my wife is good at the very few things
she's not good at. One of them would be gift giving.
So you're going Oh that's chatchp. That's dumb. Here's my
list of gifts.

Speaker 12 (01:25:42):
Well maybe chat GPT. Maybe it's not as dumb as I.

Speaker 7 (01:25:45):
Think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Here So here's the list of Christmas gifts from the
person who could be arguably one of the worst gift
givers in the world. Go ahead, I got to hear this.

Speaker 12 (01:25:53):
Okay ready, A portable blue tooth speaker or outdoor music.
I don't know that anybody needs that anymore. I don't
love it. An alarm clock.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
The one good gift is probably on the list. It
is like, I think that's stupid, but that'd be awesome.
We get a bluetooth speaker or an.

Speaker 12 (01:26:12):
Alarm clock, the wake up with wake up light, I
will say, we have you have on your side of
the bed that you have the one that uh says
what time it is on the ceiling?

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yeah, projects now that's that's good because you wake what
time is it? You look up at the ceiling. It's there.
It's not blaring at you. However, no one uses an
alarm clock anymore. We use our phones.

Speaker 12 (01:26:35):
All right, Well, then that's dumb. Okay, there are all
candles on this lilip. Now candles I love a good candle.
I love a good candle, but I am very bad
at making sure that I blow them out at the
before I leave a room or whatever. So instead of

(01:26:57):
a candle, I am going to recommend the wax melt. Plus,
you can get a pretty little ceramic thing to put
the wax melts in. You just turn on the little
light ball, the light bulb piece of the wax up
and it smells nice.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Now that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Nice house gift right there. Because you walk in it
smells nice. You don't have to worry about, you know,
the candle. You know a lot of problems with candles,
of course, you know, and what happens. It stains the ceilings.
In some cases you leave it on, you could have
a fire. This is not a little light bulb beats
it up and you you could leave it on. It's
no big gun. If you want a candle.

Speaker 12 (01:27:32):
I love I love those and they come in so
many different colors. And it's interesting. Last year, last year
or the year before, I don't know, I was walking
through Myer or someplace and they had them all on sale.
So I bought like five million of them. And then
when we went to and then I lost them during
the move and then I found them. I think you
might have found them again. So yeah, you know what,

(01:27:55):
wax mount that's Good's good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I don't miss the days where you have candles all
over there. Looked like a I don't like you're having
a seance or so. It like like a Stev Nicks
video from back in the day. Buddy.

Speaker 12 (01:28:06):
All right, So there's some kitchen and eating gifts. You know,
you can always get like the little baskets of food
type stuff, but a cutting board. Cutting board could be
a good kitchen staple. That's nice, that could be used
over and over again. Here's one that I think is
dumb as a coffee mug, because you know, we have

(01:28:29):
a million coffee mugs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
They just seem to just yeah, yeah, promotional coffee mugs.
We're good.

Speaker 12 (01:28:35):
Yeah, I don't need any.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
They're never the right size. I like the big I
like a big ass coffee mug if I coffee mugs.

Speaker 12 (01:28:42):
Are very personal because of the shape and how you
hold them mint if you drink. And then some people
have the little warmers where you can put the coffee
mugs on top of the warmer. If you're one of
those people that take a really long time to drink
your coffee. And so that might be a good gift

(01:29:02):
for somebody who has a desk that they like to
keep your coffee yet and they don't drink it like
right away, and they like it warm, and maybe they
keep going back to the microwave to wan it up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Just get a I mean, if that's you, just get
a yetti mug, then stay hot forever.

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
You could do that too.

Speaker 12 (01:29:20):
Somehow we've ended up with like one hundred of dolls.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Well, so there's a story behind that. You forgot the story?

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Well, because it's a while ago. I said on this
very show, in this very segment, I was like, I'm
looking for I've got my one mug I take every
morning filled with coffee, two pods of coffee, and that thing.
I'm good to go. It stays hot for you know,
the hour I sip on it, and every time I
look for it. It was like you had them at
work at your office and you walk in and there'd

(01:29:48):
be like two or three of these things I was
complaining about and people sent me, sent me Yetti mugs
back in the day, and I still I think, yes,
So that's where that came from. If I if I
have something like that, sometimes you're like, oh, I'll just
use his, But then that part of your brain forgets
that you left it at the office, so it had
like sixteen coffee mugs there and none at home.

Speaker 12 (01:30:12):
Yeah, it's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Probably, I don't know if it is.

Speaker 7 (01:30:15):
It's just not for me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Forget that. Yeah, for you, I just buy a new mug.

Speaker 12 (01:30:20):
Not for me, a fruit basket, a spog gift box
with relaxation care.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Wow, this was great. By the way, my wife is
cutting through lists of things here for homeowners. You could
tell we're out of material this time of year right now.

Speaker 12 (01:30:41):
So anyway, it's very interesting if you have any ideas
for gifts that I can get my husband.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
How about a cotton candy machine? What is that the
other top of the list, cotton candy maker.

Speaker 12 (01:30:54):
You know, we usually do do the gifts, or you
do at some point, the gifts that are like really
trendy that you use once because it looks like fun,
but you never get it out again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
That's the cabinet of Chris Regrettable Christmas gifts pass is
what it is. I really thought i'd use this fond
pod more. Honestly, who doesn't like liquid even.

Speaker 12 (01:31:17):
You know what, there was a waffle maker when we
made the move. A lot of those regrettable Christmas gifts
did not make the move with us, and they're all
at Goodwill right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Somebody else's problem.

Speaker 12 (01:31:31):
If you're looking for hey, maybe that's a good idea.
Maybe if looking for a little something instead of going
to the CBS or Walgreen, a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Good Will, find some bargains there. Absolutely, snow cone maker.
That's what I need. I need a snow cone maker.

Speaker 12 (01:31:47):
That's fun to the kids for five minutes, right right, right? Okay,
so you thought the well about some safety items to
a basket of safety items like the fire extinguisher, rber monos, detecture.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Merry Christmas, don't die. So that's very very all right.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an armageddon Christmas. Is
what's going on. I've got a fire extinguisher, all the
pair of glasses and cutproof gloves, got pepper spray, a gun,
zombie repellent.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
Put it all in my bask Okay, went and dout.

Speaker 12 (01:32:23):
Just go to the liquor store.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
That's it?

Speaker 8 (01:32:26):
Just go to it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
That's all. You need right there? What do you drink?
And a bourbon? Here you go, here's a bottle of bourbon.
You like your wine? Here a bottle of wine?

Speaker 12 (01:32:35):
Okay, wen and out go to the liquor store or
buy spresh off.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yeah, yeah, it seems like that's that's what I would do.
What is wrong with giving? What is wrong with a
gift card?

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Why? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Is why are gift crowds so frowned upon?

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:32:49):
It's so impersonal, isn't it. You know what, I'm giving
you a fire exignature that just says nothing but love?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
What also says that you don't know that that person
has a lot and fire extinger and I for some
reason that I have a lot of fires.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
I've got fire extingus on my work truck.

Speaker 12 (01:33:07):
I've got one that's probably true.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
I like, you've looked guard a Hosco And are you
expecting sloan? Are you expecting something like bad?

Speaker 7 (01:33:14):
Are you what?

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Do you live in California in the middle of like
the wildfire?

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
What are you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:33:19):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I just collect fire extinguishers. That's
my collect My wife with candles and I collect fire extinguishers,
So that's what we do. Yeah, I don't know. I
just I don't know why gift cards get such a
bad rap because it's easy to buy, it's thoughtful, because
you know, if you get a gift card to Home
Depot or Low's or Ace Hardware or whatever it is minards,

(01:33:40):
you're like, oh, okay, well I could use something, and
then you pick something nice for you and and yet
somehow that's impersonal as opposed to what I go and
buy clothes or someone a shirt, a jacket or whatever
it might be, pair of shoes and they don't fit,
you don't like it, I've got that, and then they
wind up returning. It's a bigger pain in the ass
to do that than it is just to get the
gift card.

Speaker 12 (01:33:58):
But so gift cards, there is a statistic out there
that like half of the gift cards in the world
don't end up getting used. We have a we do
have drawer of unused gift cards, and a couple of
them will probably never ever use.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Yeah, are someplaces are of business.

Speaker 12 (01:34:16):
So right, maybe we could regift those. We're actually for
the Sloan Family Extravaganza Christmas here, we're doing a gift
card gift exchange like a white elephant. So instead of bringing,
you know, something really stupid that nobody really wants or
in your family, it's something you know that is totally inappropriate,

(01:34:41):
We're going to We're going to have a gift exchange
with gift cards this year. It's easy to carry. I
guess for the out of town eers too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Yeah already, yeah, so we've got the nieces and nephews
and all that, and so yeah, I already went and
got the gift cards. Were good?

Speaker 12 (01:34:56):
Oh you did?

Speaker 6 (01:34:57):
Yep?

Speaker 12 (01:34:58):
For real, yes, because I'm really going to get.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Those taking care of check the box. Everyone gets a
twenty five dollars gift card to Hustler Hollywood. Here you go,
Grandma married Christmas. It's the gift that keeps on getting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I want to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
It's just it's just a massager, Grandma. That's fine. My wife,
Michelle Sloan stand cells Holmes dot Com Open House Show,
My gifts are a lot more fun than her gifts.
That's for damn sure.

Speaker 12 (01:35:29):
Anyway, gifts this year, Okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Got your stuff. I got seven or eight things for you.
What'd you get me? I'm in trouble you know what
process slice a pie off the list.

Speaker 12 (01:35:43):
I've got an excuse. Agree, I'm on, I could give you.
I have two extra oxy left.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Now that that is a great Christmas gift. My wife,
Michelle Sloan breaking all sorts of federal laws on the
show here, so I love her. She lives on the edge.
She does so long saleshomes dot com openhouse show that's
available via the iHeartRadio app and the podcasts and of
course on YouTube too. All right, gotta get going here.
All of a sudden, I've been craving for pie. I

(01:36:14):
don't know why. Love you, see you later, Gotta go.
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