Live on Sunday Night with Bill Cunningham 10/5/2025

Bill is live across America again this Sunday Night! Trump is sending National Guard to Chicago, Oregan and more. Also, why where there lapses in Charlie Kirks security? Wilie's guests include Rev Lucas Miles, Erika Sanzi, Jeff Crouere live from New Orleans and Geoff Gilson.

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Cunningham, Billy Cunningham, the great American. Thanks for joining me
this evening. We had hoped, I think you had hoped
that somehow, by eight pm Eastern time tonight, a couple
hours ago, that there would have been some indication by
Hamas that they would accept the terms and release the
hostages that are alive and those that are dead back
to their families in exchange. Israel was prepared to release

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about one thousand, one thousand terrorists back to Hamas. But
as we sit here now, it's still up in the air.
There's going to be more talks held tomorrow, I think
in Egypt, so we'll see what happens with that. If
it happens during the show tonight, you're going to be
first to learn about it. We'll see what happens. Secondly,
the absolute attack on law enforcement George Floyd style is

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now happening in many major American cities that are completely
out of control. Portland, Chicago, Memphis. At the top of
the list. Washington, d C, according to the mayor, has
never been this calm and this good. When I speak
to a couple US Senators, so those who work in
and around the Capitol, what Donald Trump has done in
DC has been markedly better than what it was before.

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In fact, it is safe to walk around Washington, DC
and haven't been there a few years. Don't intend to
go back for a while. But it works. Have law
enforcement present works. One of the saddest things happening is
the headline now in the Chicago Tribune. Chicago police sources
blast the apartment's response after officers were told not to

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help federal agents that were being hemmed in by several
cars and protesters who became riders. On Saturday morning, federal
agents were rammed and trapped by ten vehicles where anti
ICE crowds had gathered for days. Nearly a dozen people
had been arrested that an app went out and the

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federal law enforcement, the ICE officials requested assistance, and they
were told no and reviewed a computer aided to dispatch
messages sent to Chicago police by the Chief of Patrol.
The message instructed Chicago police not to respond to the

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ramming on the southwest side of the city in which
an armed woman was shot and agents were boxed in
and surrounded. Many Chicago police denied. Are extremely unhappy about this,
but it's the world on which we live. In the past,
when a app goes out, officer needs assistance, you drop
what you're doing and you run to the scene. You

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save a fellow officer's life. In this case, the federal
law enforcement was put in risk of harm and death
and injury by these paid for mobs of left wing protesters,
and there was no help provided. And according to this statement,
the Chicago Police itself claimed that the officers failed to respond,

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but they were sent to the scene to manage safety
and document the incident, so not to assist arrest the criminals.
Were rather to stand by and watch what's going on.
That's under the leadership of the mayor of Brandon Johnson.
I think now is approval ratings down to five or
six percent. Next year you have a chance in Chicago

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to vote on that. It is sick and it's sad
because how many times if you're in law enforcement, if
you're in a highway patrol, if you're in US Marshall Service,
I FBI, City of Columbus, whatever city you're in, and
an officer says officer needs assistance, no matter what it is,
you drop what you're doing in your go for political reasons.

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The leadership in the city of Chicago said no, and
they will respond to a scene that document what happens,
but they will not get involved. And this comes on
the heels of the comments this morning by Christy Noms
who appeared in Fox and Friends this morning. She said
cartels and other terrorist organizations terrorist organizations are placing bounties

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on the heads of specific federal immigration agents in a
move she called dangerous and unpresident There are groups of
terrorist groups funded by many left wing groups and also
by China and by Iran, are offering two thousand dollars
for the capture of an ICE agent and up to

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ten thousand dollars for a murder of an ICE law
enforcement official. She said, our intelligence in the case these
people are well organized. They're getting more and more brazen
as far as attacking police, and they're making plans to
ambush them and to kill them. Much of what happened
to Dallas, by the way, recall that one someone high

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on marijuana smoked up who lived in the left wing
sewer of MSNBC CNN, shot into an ice van thinking
he would be killing police officers, but he actually killed
two and the other one just recently died two individuals
who were here illegally from Nicaragua. And now we have

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evidence that these terrorist groups George Floyd style have put
bounties on the head of federal law enforcement. And she
said because it's an ongoing investigation, she didn't specify if
the agents were from a particular agency or multiple ones.
He said. She said, they're gangs, cartel members, and known
terrorist groups who are paid for by left wing organizations

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inside of America but also by Iran and communist Red
China to cause problems in our major cities. This comes
on the heels of many attacks on federal law enforcement,
including a shooting at a Dallas ice facility that killed
a couple of detainees and injured others. So while this
is going Onnam also referred to the incident on Saturday

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morning or during a protest, ten vehicles operated by terrorists,
not protesters. Terrorists boxed in federal law enforcement and ram
one of their vehicles. The officers inside could not move
their vehicles. They called out officers need assistance. Help. No
one showed up from the City of Chicago Police department.

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An officer ended up firing a weapon, and a woman
who drove herself to the hospital. The armed woman was
named an a Customed and Border Patrol intelligence bulletin last
week for doxing agents and posting online certain epithets about
who they are, where they live, etc. So these are

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the George Floyd riots all over again, in which large
multinational foundations George Soros and others fund large amounts of
money to groups these so called paid protesters, paid rioters,
and they get carried away with what they're doing, and
then officers are put at risk of being killed, and

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of course is going to happen. It will happen. Now
I'm surprising it happened so far. She also has promised
Christy Nomas said that she's going to find out who's
organizing and paying for these don't call them protesters or demonstrators.
They're terrorists. Christian Noames that I was in Chicago two
days ago watching these terrorists and officers engage with them.

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All the protesters are wearing the same gas masks, carrying
the same kind of signs. Many of them are printed
with the same font. You know that somebody is funding
the whole operation, and it's absolutely the truth. In fact,
I had on a guest a few months back that
has the ability. It's called protest on demand, and if
you google a protest on demand, it's right there. This

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one large group. Actually they say we create out of
the box campaigns, audiences and events to make an impact
for our clients. These groups go on to say that
they're looking to create a buzz anywhere at Crowds on Demand.
We provide clients with passionate demonstrators, rally flash mobs, corporate
PR events, and lighthearted events such as Papa Rozzi brand

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ambassadors and PR stunts. They do not involve in violence,
is what they say, and I certainly believe that's the case.
I don't think you are on the internet and you're
raising millions of dollars in order to create a crowd,
and this one group will have protest rallies and audiences,
events and fan interactions, protests, rallies and advocacy. You go

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to the group, you have to pay millions of dollars
for several hundred and they're called out end mass with
loud speakers, dressed appropriately, handing out the signs, and some
of these hard left wing groups get very angry and
they start trying to kill police. If you live in
the left wing sewer, every now and then the lid
pops off, you you see it, you hear it, you

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listen it, and you watch it, and someone's going to
be killed in law enforcement, and other have already been
killed by these so called some lone wolves and some
others that consider themselves to be part of some international
movement against the United States of America and against police.
And whether it's Gaza, whether it's Israel, whether it's Ukraine,

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Communist Red China, the George Floyd crowd. They're out there
in the major cities, incentivized by Governor Pritzer, by the
mayors of major cities in Portland and Sacramento, in Chicago,
New York elsewhere, that this massive left wing, well funded
organizations will have protest demonstrators and terrorists on demand. And

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what happened yesterday morning in Chicago was sickening and it's
so wrong, it's awful. So also I want to comment
briefly if we can, about what's going on in des Moines, Iowa,
with Ian Roberts by the way at DEI hire in
des Moines, Iowa, by the des Moines school Board to
educate thirty thousand kids in des Moines rifle Ripe, complete

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with DEI programming up and down the list. And he
was a DEI higher I won't call him doctor. Seemingly
his doctor was a bunch of bs. And maybe his
college education which a bunch of bs. And now the
campaign of Jackie Norris, a woman who's on the school board,
she's chairman of the school board now in des Moines,
I guess their campaign for Senate next year is on

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the rocks, so to speak, because she was the prime
candidate to take on whoever the Republicans who are put
up in the state of Iowa to run for Jony
Ernst's seat. And Jackie Norris is married to the Iowa
Democratic Party chairman his name is John Morris Norris and
their operatives, and she was the one in charge of

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issuing statements, accepting ultimately the resignation. Originally he was put
on leave with pay, and then all the facts started
coming out. And if you're this stupid hiring someone like this,
the last place you should be is the United States Senate,
for God's sakes, and Homeland Security put out a laundry
list of the crimes that he's committed over the last

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thirty some years, many involving drug use, possession of weapons,
second degree criminal possession of a weapon, third degree criminal
possession of a weapon, also in lawful possession of a
loaded firearm. For thirty years, Roberts moved in and out
of the country, working with various campaigns. If he could,
he traveled freely doing motivational speaking and teaching, and he

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was not shy and trafficked in some prominent circles, running
in out of democratic power brokers. He was perceived as
the right kind of person to educate thirty thousand kids
in Iowa. It turned out the whole thing was a fraud.
The rap sheet in history of immigration fraud is extensive.
He lied, repeatedly, committed numerous offenses. Finally caught up with

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him by twenty twenty four. Under the Biden administration, another
final deportation order was issued because of the crimes he'd
been committed and the fraud that he committed. Democrats in
des Moines, Iowa have egg on their face, shall we say,
they're a bit embarrassed by what happened. This wasn't someone
to do something relatively unimportant. His job was to educate

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thirty thousand kids in the Des Moines public school system.
And I would note that a couple hundred walked out
in protest when he was finally fired for being a criminal.
That shows you the extent of DEI seeping into the
body body politic in Des Moines, Iowa. For goodness, goodness sakes,
you can't imagine this. And for a long time Jackie

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Norris and other liberal Democratic members of the Des Moines
School Board covered for doctor Ian Roberts and said some
of these charges can't be true. They wanted to give
him grace. Well, instead of getting grace, he's going to
get a prison cell. He was wrongfully in possession of
loaded weapons, firearms, three thousand dollars in cash, hiding in
a grove of trees. That's the superintendent of schools. For

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God's sakes. So we got serious issues and one other
thing I'm going to bring up. I have a guest
later on this issue. So, in addition to left wing
groups having bounties on the head of ice officials doing
their job under the law, In addition to the fact
that big city police departments are the orders not to help,

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think about that. Addition to all that, we have the
circumstances involving Charlie Kirk has raised its ugly head. I
saw a story that Charlie Kirk has his own security detail.
I played for you the last few Sunday nights comments
that Charlie made about what would happen if he was shot,

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and we played that for you last Sunday night. No
need to play it again, but he said he would
look at the face of Jesus. And I'm going to
have on later Reverend Lucas Miles from Turning Point USA,
one of his close confidence confidence who has a book
out talking about what's happening in America today about paganism.
Taken over. Story I read deals with the fact that

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Charlie Kirk and the security team was very concerned about
security at Utah University and that they were concerned about
the buildings that were one hundred and fifty to two
hundred yards away. The story I read, you know, the
Kirk security failings had drone technology. You put up a

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drone and on your laptop or on your on your
cell phone, you can follow what the drone is videoing
on top of the buildings. One of these security personnel
for Charlie Kirk asked the officials at the college, you
know what about those buildings right there. Charlie's going to
be sitting on a high seat and he's going to
be sitting a little higher than the crowd, and there's

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a clean line of sight to those buildings. And the
security personnel indicated that we have drone technology. We can
put up a drone for a couple hours and in
real time see if somebody's on top for the building.
In fact, there were three buildings had to be covered.
One drone could cover all three buildings. So the drone

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would have picked up someone running across the building with
a rifle. So let's take a short break. I'll continue
with this later and eight six six six four seven
seven three three seven Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night.

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Now let's continue with more in Utah Valley University is
a great university that has grown markedly the past ten
or fifteen years, and they had about three thousand mainly
students were there. There was no metal detectors available, but
there was about twenty foot separation between the front of
the crowd and Charlie Kirk, and they had armed security

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personnel left and right. I don't know if metal detectors
would have made any difference in this particular incident, certainly not.
But when I saw an interview with a retired Secret
Service agent Tim McCarthy, he was the one shot protecting
Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one, he said he was
very surprised that the buildings were not covered because that's

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where the risk is. So this one report said that
Utah Valley University security personnel said, we'll take care of that.
But the only way to take care of it is
to put a deputy on top of each of those buildings,
I would think, or secondly, to have a drone be
high enough to look at all three at little or
no expense to anybody. Times have changed, would you agree?

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And I don't know. And then the idea that this
assassin whose name will never get in my head nor
leave my lips. Suddenly left the left the rifle to
be found a couple hundred yards away in a small,
little wooded area that was broken down in one sense
or another, and that was an old, old unit, might
have been as long as old as eighty years old,

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and he left it to be found with his DNA
on it. Now, that is really stupid. Of course, a
lot of murderers are really stupid. I think what I'm
saying is there's lots of questions to be answered about
Charlie Kirk, and I'm confident that Dan Bongino, Deputy Director
of the FBI, is going to get them answered. I
believe that I trust Dan Bongino more than any person

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in the FBI, including the leader. I trust Dan Bongino.
And if there's anything there there, I like to know it.
I like to know why the top of those roofs
were not covered, which would have taken little or no
time and money, and that was the obvious threat where
the threat was going to come from. All let's continue
with more and we'll have We'll take some calls in

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the next hour or so. The number to call is
eight sixty six six four seven seven three three seven.
Federal officials have requested local assistance when they're under assault
by terrorists inside the city of Chicago, and it was
denied same way in Portland, which is completely out of control. Oregon,

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and now lawsuits are flying left and right at California
are going to send the National Guard to Oregon, and
Texas may send the National Guard to Illinois. Now the
judges will be back involved. What's wrong with public safety?
And why wasn't Charlie Moore protected Bill cunning into Great
American with you every sing oh, let's continue whenever saw it,

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We're simply continue. I'm just saying that Charlie Kirk, I
watched many of his videos, believed his life was in jeopardy,
and he related it publicly and privately. I'm going to
get killed. In fact, I played for cuts from you
about what's going to happen when you get shot, and
he related when he gets shot what he's going to do.

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So in his mind, with his lovely wife, Erica, and
with his two little little babies, and with the idea
that my life is in danger, I have so many
death threats it's unbelievable. And you see the violence against
turning point USA on college campuses. Even now at Tennessee
State it's happening repeatedly. Violence is occurring. And he had

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security guards that were pretty good retired law enforcement, and
so they wanted to have metal detectors, but that's not
possible at Utah Valley University. It's an open air campus,
be very difficult to do that. So they created a
boundary at which no one could get this side, at
least the security the armed security officers on either side

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of Charlie Kirk. If somebody close inside would take a
shot at him, they would have a clear line of
sight to see the person and respond appropriately. And Charlie
was told by some you ought to get some bulletproof glass,
put it in front of you, and Charlie said, I
can't operate like that. I don't want to do that,
he said, my hands are My life's in the hands

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of the Lord anyway. Absolutely, and the Lord permits ugly
things to happen to good people because individuals evil ones
like the assassin, has free will. And so the security
guard in that guard. According to one news story, I
saw got there, looked up and saw the rooftops of
those buildings where they perfect line of site right to

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Charlie Kirk, and so we have to get those buildings covered.
And according to this media account, the police at Utah
Valley University said, we'll take care of it. Thinking, okay,
you have a cop on top of the building and
each one a line of site directly one hundred and
it wasn't two hundred yards. It was about one hundred
and sixty yards away with a scope and it wasn't done.

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Why wasn't it done? I have no idea. After what
happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania, I would think that'd be
after you have some sort of twenty foot barrier away
from then guards right there looking at the crowd. The
next area of concern would be the top of those buildings,
and you could easily see if drone technology was available,

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which the Charlie Kirk organization has, that could put a
drone in the air and watch all three top of
the buildings. Somebody running across with a rifle likely would
have set off alarms. Do you agree, at a minimum
have other security guards on top of the building with
a nice chair to watch what's going on. And it
didn't happen, so you can look back in time, what

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could have happened, what should have happened or might have happened.
I know what did happen this media report. I saw
the security personnel for Charlie said we got to get
those buildings covered, and the police said we'll take care
of it, and somebody didn't. I'm sure lawsuits whatever down
the road will be found by somebody at some point.
We'll see what happens. Let's continue. But summer is over

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and it's now fall more or less. Although in Cincinnati
feels like it's eighty five degrees going to be loose
twenty five degrees the next two days. That's a different issue.
But the cities are broiling because the mayors and the
governors in blue cities and blue states will not support
law enforcement. Look at the status of Chicago, Look at
the status of the water tire and the Magnificent Mile.

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Look at the status of Michigan Avenue. Look what's happening
in Portland. It looks like a third world city. Homelessness,
drug use abounds. And my beautiful little city of sins Cincinnati,
we have shootings every night. We have a out of
touch mayor. Completely have to have pureval as the guy's name.
He has no clue what's going on. He say how
safe the city is, and it's not. But Cincinnati is

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about ten years behind New York and Land. The way
to secure the cities are the high local law enforcement
along with the National Guard as appropriate. And we'll see
what happens. But now we're told now according to the
story on Fox News, that some of the terrorist organizations
that put bounties on the head, bring me the head

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of dead ice officers or others. According to Christy nome
tooth and kidnappings are going to be popular to kidnap
some money, but with ice and the mayor of Chicago
and the governor has ordered that its law enforcement not
assists federal law enforcement. That's where we are. Let's continue
in your calls. Number to call is eight sixty six
six four seven seven three three seven. And my first

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guest in about thirty minutes or so is going to
be the Reverend Lucas Miles, a Turning Point, USA, a
close confident of Charlie Kirk and Erica. His new book
is out Pagan Threat dealing with the school systems and
elsewhere in law enforcement. And certainly this is very appropriate
so let's continue with Alex in Wisconsin and then Edward

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and Tampa Bay number to two. We have three lines
open if you call now eight six six six four
seven seven three three seven. Alex in Wisconsin, Welcome to
the Bill Cunningham Show. And Alex, how are you?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
I am doing good?

Speaker 4 (25:31):
How are you doing doing well? Doing well? I think
we have issues. I think we've got problems. Hopefully we're
going to work for right.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's one of the things that I
was calling the boat in. And it's not just in
big cities, billets, everywhere that the crime rate's just gotten horrible.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
And the issue is, isn't law enforcement incentivized now not
to arrest people, to look the other way? Isn't that true?

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I think it's messed up.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, Well, tell me your experiences there in Wisconsin. You
live in a small town, give me your experiences.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
And the really crazy part too, is the police stations
right by my hopes and the crime rate in the
city that I live in is just it's crazy. And
the fact that the police station's right there, it doesn't
really matter, It doesn't even make a difference.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Do you think the police are incentivized not to arrest
criminals because the political the political leadership doesn't want that
to happen. I'll give you my example. In Cincinnati. We
used to have an effective Cincinnati Police department one thousand officers.
They're down to about nine hundred. It should have a level,
so we're down twenty percent. And the cops are told
by the mayor and others don't pull people over for

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traffic violations like speeding or reckless operation because you have
to find out you get you show me your life license,
proof of insurance registration. It opens up at Pandora's box
of other stuff. So we put speed bumps all over
all over town because cops are told don't pull people over.
We have large numbers of individual individuals illegally smoking marijuana

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all over the city of Cincinnati and drug use. We
have about a thousand homeless doing all kinds of bad
stuff and the arrest don't take place because the mayor
and city council doesn't want it to happen. And the
same thing is true in Chicago. Being a Chicago cop
under Brandon Johnson's got to be a joke.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Well, and you want to know what's really scary too,
is I'm completely blind. I can't even imagine, do you
knowify myselfs.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, well, Alex, I say, I'm going to say a
prayer for you tonight and that somehow sanity must be
returned to the people of Wisconsin, the people of America.
Let's continue. Let's continue now with Thomas and the great
state of Florida. Thomas and Florida. Welcome to the Bill
Cunningham Show. Thomas Ower, I'm good, sure.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
How are you, sir?

Speaker 8 (28:02):
I'm a big fan of truck travery right now. I
was just mildly concern was you know again, I know
what the security with Charlie Kirk is that you know,
we have a we have a code gush truckers safety first,
and you know, I just thought that, you know, his
life might have been spared if there was more precautions,
like if the roof wasn't confirmed that they were secured,

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you know, he should have never been out in public.
I don't know, I does that make any sense, like
he should have never been if there was any doubt
at all, if these guys would have combed the roof
or went above and beyond. Does that make any sense
to me?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah? Well, you know, I read this story. They want
They wanted the roofs covered, and they were told by
their local police, we will cover the roof. Now, if
I'm one of the security guards, and I love Charlie Kirk,
and I know Erica, and I know his I know
his kids. I know he's got a concern about getting shot.

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And I'm looking around that event. Where am I looking.
I'm I'm looking twenty feet in front of me. Yes,
right there. But then you know you can you can
get eyeballs and those twenty people and you're armed in there.
That's a problem. I get. I get not having a
metal detector on a college campus. I get that. However,

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those roofs after Butler County, Pennsylvania should have been covered
by somebody, and why they weren't. I want to hear
more about this because there's other people appearing in public
that you know, yours truly is going to be at
some turning point event in a public area, and I
like to look around and see if the roofs are covered.
The roofs have got to be covered, and they weren't,

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and they were, and Charlie's guys were told we'll take
care of it.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
That's a massive sir, that's the sage.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
If they weren't covered.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
Why would Charlie go out there? Why would they let
him out if they couldn't confirm that the roofs won't
carve right like you would think he would do a
last minute sorrow check. No, the roof's not covered, you're
not going out there, and just you know, insist, no, Charlie,
you're not going out. We can't come it. We don't
know if the roofs are covered, you can't go by
what right with? Other people are saying, okay, well we're
going to provide the security for you, right. Does that

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make sense?

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yes? I watch. I watched the twenty minutes, the first
twenty minutes, and once I watched the actual bullet hitting
his throat and he was a sitting duck under that
tent from those roofs, and I just think was it
was it a lone wolf who didn't know what he

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was doing, radicalized by his life, using his grandpa's rifle,
he kept it in an area that was going to
be found. Why does an assassin do that? I have
no idea. Why did Lee Harvey Oswald leave behind the
gun at the six floor? I don't know why criminals. Sure,
I don't know why that's the case, but Thomas, I'd

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like to have a more thorough investigation. I like to
have Dan Bongino and FBI Director Patel and others say,
at some point, Okay, it's been my gosh, I can't
believe it's been almost thirty thirty days, but we are
to have some indication happened September September tenth. We got
to have some indication that we're gonna investigate this thing.

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We're gonna find out what happened, how it happened, why
this event take place, to teach us how to handle
other events. I mean, in the Kennedy assassination, the idea
of a president riding through a major city with no
bubble up and waving at people like John F. Kennedy
and Dealey Plaza until that happened, That happened all the time.

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I can see pictures of him in Ireland and thousands
of people, and put him in a situation where if
somebody wanted to assassinate him, it was obvious there's John F.
Kennedy's head right there. And after what happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania,
I would like to think that an area one hundred
and fifty yards away with a perfect line of sight

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to Charlie Kirk. It's something I like to have somebody
tell me FBI Director Patel or Dan Bongino or somebody
Cash is to say, you know what, we're investigating this thing,
and it is everything we're being told accurate that somehow
this kid who was radicalized by the sewer of left

(32:12):
wing politics, who was shall we say, dating or living
with a transsexual, a transgender individual who hated Charlie Kirk.
Because by the way, Charlie Kirk had love in his
heart for everyone. Race create made no difference. I've watched it.
I watched him perform often with African Americans, with gay individuals, transgender,

(32:33):
whatever it is, love in his heart for everyone. It's
a lie that he was anti Semitic, or that he
was anti black or and I gay, whatever it might,
it was a lie. And I just like to have
Cash Ptell or Dan Bongino at some point say we're
going to conduct a thorough investigation, which they've done now
with the assassin, But what happened that allowed that assassin

(32:54):
to be on the roof. What happened in Butler County, PA.
That allowed that attempt at assassin to be in that position.
And for the last long since what last August, that
story is dead as a doornail. How did it happen?
How did you get the weapon? There's been no reporting

(33:14):
on it at all. And now I use the term
our guys are involved. Our guys are involved. Let's take
a short break. I think the next call might be
from Russia. So we're gonna get to Russia find out
what the feeling is. Plus, I want to set up
the rest of tonight's big show. Bill Cunningham, the Great
American with you every Sunday night. All right, Now, we

(33:52):
don't get a lot of calls from Moscow, I mean Russia,
Bob and Moscow, Russia. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Didn't you call me about a year ago? Year or
two ago?

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Ps year or two ago? And I'm still here. I
have a I'm a Catholic also, and I have everything
that's going on with I'm Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump. All
this all started with Pope John the Second when he
was shot, same situation. He loved the people, took care

(34:23):
of the not the rich, the wealth, He's took care
of all people. His shooting is the same thing that
happened with Donald Trump shooting is the same thing that
happened with Charlie kirk shooting. They're trying to eliminate.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
People that actually care about.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
The world in the United States, and they're all similar situations.
They're all tied together, no security.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, it's amazed that someone could get one hundred and
fifty yards away from Donald Trump in the summertime of
twenty twenty four with a claire shot at his head.
And the only reason the trump Ster lives is that
he went to tarned to the right, which you seldom
did that early, to look at a chart and that
saved his life. By the way, can you tell me
the status of living in Russia today? I read things

(35:09):
like long lines for gasoline. There's a little bit of
bubbling uncertainty about Vladimir boutin Russia, maybe in the virtue
of collapse. Do you feel comfortable talking about that.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
I can talk something, but first of all, I want
just to finish up with what we're talking about with
what one with Charlie Kirk. What is the similarity between
the shooting of Charlie Kirk and the shooting of John
Paul the Second.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well, you tell me one was a bulgarian or something
who hated what John Paul the second student, No, no.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
No, Charlie Kirk's wife forgave the man. John Paul the
Second for gave the man.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
In fact, he met with that, he met with him.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
That's what believing in gotda being a true catholicus you forget,
you know, it's very hard.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Well, the Christ forgave the thaif on the cross next
to them, he forgave him tonight. And so John Paul
the Second when I got out of the hospital, met
with that bulgarian and forgave him. And Erica Kirk two
days after the event, having just kissed her husband's forehead
when they shut the coffin, forgave the murderer of her husband. Now,

(36:22):
how about that?

Speaker 6 (36:23):
And that?

Speaker 7 (36:24):
And that's what a true believer in God and faith
and the Lord Jesus Christ does. But getting back to Moscow,
the only places there's lyes for gasoline are just like
what happens in the United Stits in California, I'm sure
because of the refinery's burning there right, there's could be
lyings in Gasolina type for Gasolina type because when he

(36:46):
cut off supply at some point, there's could be lyings.
Everything's gotten more expensive, just like in the United States.
But part of the reason why I'm here is because
my healthcare in the European healthcare system that's available over
here that's not available in the United States. Medicines from
Germany are so much cheaper. I paid one. I'm sixty

(37:11):
three years old. I paid one five hundred dollars a
year for full coverage of healthcare, private coverage, without coverage
for medication.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, what about living in a communist country with Vladimir
pot and you just keep your head down and don't
say anything bad about the government.

Speaker 7 (37:33):
Actually, if you haven't lived in a foreign country or
lived here, I actually have more freedom here to speak
about Christianity or walk. And I'm sixty three years old.
There's not a place in Moscow right now than I'm
not afraid to walk it in the evening or at
night by myself. So there's pros and cons of both countries.

(37:55):
I mean the governments are different, yes, but things are
more straightforward here right now than they are in America.
I mean, you go to a pro sporting event. In America,
half the people are drunk. Now, you go to a pro,
go to a you go to a pro sporting events.
Here in Russia, no alcohol is service.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
We have to run. Call me back in a few months.
But I would not want to live in the communist country,
no matter any circumstances. Although there are elements of safety
there that aren't existing here. But I'm an American, Bob,
thanks for calling me. Coming up, We're going to put
a call into the Reverend Lucas Miles re Turning Point, USA.
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Speaker 4 (39:31):
I Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, on September
the tenth, a terrible event took place. Some have compared
to the Kennedy assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. That
is the murder of Charlie Kirk in Utah. It was
incredibly It broke about quarter to three Eastern time, a
flash across the screen. I was on the air when
it happened, and talk about a shock. And here we

(39:53):
are three or four weeks later and still having a
process exactly the impact of this janan you and on
alis Pastor Lucas Miles, he's the senior director of Turning
Point USA Faith and best selling author. Book is out
of brand new one which is Pagan Threat Confronting America's
Godless Uprising. And Reverend Miles, welcome, I think for the
first time to the Bill Cunningham Show before we talk

(40:15):
about your book, which is number one everywhere. I think
it'll double and triple and sales says the work gets
out even more. Can you talk about where you were
when you learned that Charlie had been murdered and the
impact on his organization.

Speaker 10 (40:30):
Yeah, I was actually out of the country when I
got the news. We'd had a very busy you know,
obviously last eighteen months or so with my role there
at TPUSA Faith, and I had talked to Charlie and
told him, I said, hey, we're looking taking vacation He's like, yeah, absolutely,
go just get away, just shut everything down and just
you need that time. And my wife and I were

(40:52):
down in Arubo with another dear couple friend of ours,
and my assistant had told me, he said, I'm not
only going to call you if something major happens. And
I'm sitting by the pool down there, middle of our
trip and I see the phone ring and my heart
just sank. I knew right away something was wrong. He
told me Charlie had been shot. We don't know how
bad it is. Start getting home now, and we weren't

(41:15):
able to get a flight for the next day, and
it's it's just been NonStop since then.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Lucas Miles, why did you have that feeling? Were you?
Were you foretold? Was it predicted? I've seen some of
the YouTube clips about Charlie Kirk talking about his death.
Not too many thirty one year olds talk about their death.
Why'd you have that pit in your stomach?

Speaker 7 (41:35):
You know?

Speaker 10 (41:36):
I just knew I was only going to get a
call if something was wrong. Otherwise my assistant would have
emailed me, he would have sent me a message on
telegram to look at later. But when I saw the
phone ring, I knew it wasn't good. Now, I didn't know,
you know, it wasn't my wildest imagination that that was
going to be what the call was. But I just
knew something was problematic at a higher level at that point,

(41:56):
and you know, it just didn't seem real. It still
doesn't seem real, honestly. It's just, you know, you kind
of go back and forth between that grief and denial,
and I just want to text Charlie and ask him,
you know, what does he think about all this, you know,
or what do we do next?

Speaker 11 (42:12):
You know?

Speaker 10 (42:12):
And so I think all of our staff is kind
of going through that process. But I'll tell you what,
there is such a spirit of resolve over the whole
team at TPUSA. Charlie was such a great leader. He
laid out an action plan for a really long time.
There's you know, Erica, you know, everybody is. She's just
been a stabilizing force for the whole organization. And so,

(42:33):
you know, we're filled with grief, but there's a lot
of work to do, and in Charlie Kirk fashion, we're
getting up and we're going back to work. And we
got a country and a world to.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Save here and without America. The world has lost this
submission of Charlie Kirk's beginning about thirteen or fourteen years ago,
was impossible to go on college campuses. I've seen hundreds
of hours of YouTube clips of what happens to them
on college campuses. He wins almost every argument because he right,
what are some of the threats? What do you diagnosis

(43:03):
and threats we face as America.

Speaker 10 (43:06):
Yeah, So in my book pagan Threat, one of the
things I try to bring people's attention to, and whately
the thesis of it is this is that you know,
by and large, paganism as a whole was dead.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
GK.

Speaker 10 (43:16):
Chesterton said so himself. But the problem with paganism is
it tends to resurface periodically. And so what is happening
now is in order for a Marxist agenda to be
able to thrive in America, America, Americans have to forget
their Christian worldview. We have to forget our roots. We
have to, you know, so you have to tear down statues,

(43:36):
you have to you have to wipe away the memory
of any sort of history that points to Christ or
our Christian founding. And so in order to do that,
they're thrusting this paganism onto our youth of today. You know,
everything from witchcraft, a sorcery, to the occult to you know,
it's in movies, it's in TV, it's in pop culture,
it's in music. And they're just trying to change the ethos,

(43:59):
the the moral standard in America because if they can
do that, and they reduce the value of human life
that the Christian worldview promotes, then they can actually institute
a Marxist takeover this nation.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
You talk about abortion on demand, including the abortion pills,
talk about ubiquitous crime everywhere. The presidents finally sent in
some federal troops to Portland and the Memphis to tamp
it down. You talk about what's happening on college campuses
relative to the indoctrination to the left, and it almost
seems insurmountable. And at this point I worried that after

(44:36):
Charlie was murdered on September the tenth, that the movement itself,
after three to six to nine months would dissipate, that
the leaders such as yourself, pastor Lucas Miles, would find
other events, other things would happening. We're not quite a
month out. What is your feeling looking back as far
as planning the next several years. So the messenger was murdered,

(44:58):
but the message must live in a structural way. He
was the rock star. He was a Paul McCartney of
the Beatles, you know, he was Elvis. He was the guy.
And when you lose that kind of a messenger Martin
Luther King Junior type, it's really difficult to find Ralph
Abernathy to take his place. In fact, no one ever could.
Do you have a concern looking back in five years,
those five years ago by quickly as the last five

(45:19):
years have gone by. Why do you have such confidence
that this movement will not die with the messenger having
been killed, but the message must live. Why do you
say that?

Speaker 10 (45:29):
You know, I think there's a couple of things we
have to look off look at. So, first off, when
it comes to turning point, USA, Charlie, build a really
strong bench, our board, our contributors, our c suite level
team members. Now having Erica as CEO, we are in
a really strong position. Our donors are committed. I think
the nation is behind us, our churches are committed to

(45:49):
working with us, and so there's a lot of unity
and structure there to be able to sustain this for
years to come. And we have so much of Charlie's content.
Although he has gone from this earth in a physical sense,
his voice is going to ring out and we're going
to make sure of it for literally decades and decades
to come, and so that every you know, he's immortalized

(46:12):
now in the sense that you know, he's forever young,
his voice is going to stay that way. The difference
between some of these other movements we've seen in the past,
with MLK and others, is that, you know, we didn't have,
you know, hundreds of thousands of hours of four K
video content with three different angles to be able to
really share the heart. So Charlie is still speaking today
all over the Internet and that's going to continue. I

(46:34):
think additionally, when it comes to revival, that component of it,
you know, God brings revival. This is something we can't
just fabricate, but I think that we can help stewart it,
and so we're working with our churches and that's really
my primary role is working with churches across the country
to help stewart this season of revival. My own church
has doubled in attendance during this timeframe. I've gotten that
same message from so many other pastors across the country.

(46:56):
There's a move of God happening right now, and I think,
you know, we just we can't Charlie Kirk. I'm never
going to be Charlie Kirk. Nobody else is ever going
to be Charlie Kirk. I just want to be the
best Lucas Miles that I can in my generation to
fulfill what God. You know, He's always on my life.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Reveren, if you can talk about the lost white male,
I've seen all the reports the studies had on a
guest from The New York Times a couple months ago
about the lost white male who finds himself disconnected, disjoin it,
has no personal relationships, someone lost in the world of
porn or lost in the world of gaming. The murder
of Charlie Kirk seemingly was lost in both worlds. He

(47:31):
was a young man. You have pictures of young men
that have created caused many of these disasters, political assassinations.
You have the event Mormon Church Later Day Saints fifty
miles north of Detroit being leveled to the ground. And
that guy was like thirty nine or forty years old.
But he had brain difficulties. How do you address yourself

(47:52):
to the lost to white male who feels as if
he lives in a toxic male oriented society. Male toxicity
is everywhere. I watched Charlie Kirk's response to the to
the toxic mail and it was a beautiful response. But
can you address yourself to the lost white male?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (48:12):
Absolutely, So, you know what we're seeing right now is that.
And I think it's important to recognize across this entire generation,
and this would go for probably millennials as well as
gen z is there is a tremendous amount of trauma
that these generations have endured and sustained, you know, and
you've got to remember, at forty years old, that individual
is a millennial, right, you know, the older millennials are

(48:33):
forty years old now, and so you know, in the
case of the Mormon shooting and so the you know, this,
this is what's it, you know, contributed by starts with
nine to eleven, multiple wars in the Middle East. We
have things like that, you know, Columbine and the rise
of school shootings. At the same time, you have this
increase of the digital footprint, video games, dark places in

(48:53):
the internet, chat rooms and forums, you know, places to
explore and you know kind of get into all these
emotional things that people are feeling that turn very dark
oftentimes you have you know, combined with that, we see
the rise of gender ideology transcault, We have COVID, We
have the isolation that was experienced a lot of these
younger people. They missed prom they didn't get to date anybody,

(49:15):
they didn't get to you know, run around with their
car and you know, with friends and hang out. There
was isolation. They were stuck in their house, they were
doing school by video, and there's ramifications of that. We
were all warning about that during COVID, and now we're
seeing the fruit of those policies you know, played out,
and so we have to go to where these people are.
We have to reach them. Charlie was just a brilliant

(49:35):
strategist at reaching people in the digital space. And you know,
his video has been seen by literally billions of people
and they're going to continue to be seen. But we
have to keep being you know, strategic in our generation.
You know, Charlie is not here physically to you know,
to do that himself. We got to pick up the
baton and every single one of us, you know, have
to do our part to really build, to reach people,
to help the hurt and ultimately lead them to Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Pastor Lucas Miles. I saw a treaty he's on Salon,
a website that I'm sure many do not attend, but
nonetheless it's a liberal website about the message with Charlie
Kirk being anti female. The message was it is very
positive to meet a man, to be in a sense
him the leader of the family. He's to protect to
the provider, and that is a mother. To stay at

(50:19):
home is anti female. The average female today gets married
when she's about twenty nine, the average male about thirty one.
And so therefore the message is stay at home, barefoot
and pregnant and cook, prepare dinner, and be the homemaker.
And that message by Salon was terrible that girls and
young women are being told the only way you can
be successful in life is to find a man, to

(50:39):
get married, to have children, to be a homemaker. And
the Salon, a liberal website, says Charlie Kirk's message was
anti female, trying to hold women back. How would you
respond to that.

Speaker 10 (50:50):
One, Well, I would say if he's trying to hold
women back. He did a very bad job of it
because so many of our staff at GPUSA are female
and they're executives and their leaders within the organization. Charlie
was a champion of a humanity period. He believed in
and understood the Biblical design that we see there's differences

(51:11):
between men and women, and we celebrate those differences. That
doesn't mean that you know, uh, there has to be
this or that they're you know, there shouldn't. That never
leads to dominance. That never leads to you know, control
in some sort of sense. We would be, you know,
against anything like that. In scripture, would be against anything
like that. And so I think that you know, you
see these things. Obviously they're taking one sound bite and
they're going to use that and pull that out of context.

(51:33):
But I think those around Charlie, those that watched his videos,
you know, a lot of his base was were females
that were finding freedom and hope and encouragement in the
message that he was sharing about liberty and about Jesus
Christ and about family and really how to you know,
follow God's plan for your life. And I think that
those that you know, uh, actually tuned in to hear

(51:53):
his full statements on those things. That's what they experienced.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Pastor Lucas Miles. A turning point, uh is this is
this movement open to Jews, to Muslims, to seeks to
those who do not believe in God whatsoever. The three
points of Charlie Kirk was number one God and number
two is family. Number three is America. Is this message
if you're a Jew, if you're a Muslim, if you're

(52:17):
a Sikh, if you're some other sect I guess a
Mormon certainly is the best people I've ever met in
my life are Mormons, by the way. But nonetheless, is
this message open to Jews and the Muslims?

Speaker 10 (52:28):
I think it depends on what message we're talking about. So,
first off, the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
is open to all people who would put their faith
in him. That is the inclusivity of the gospel. But
the exclusivity of the gospel is that only those who
receive Him by faith are able to become children of God.
That's from a Christian theological standpoint. But if we're talking

(52:50):
about the message of conservatism, the message of liberty, the
message of some of the work that say, maybe our
secular side at Turning Point Action or Turning Point USA
is doing on college campuses that you will find, you know,
Charlie was always a big tent, you know, thinker. We
have people from all different backgrounds, you know that that
have come alongside the Turning Point brand that have been

(53:10):
part of our chapters, have been part of our groups.
And that's not something that is inherently Christian to that,
although a lot of our people happened to be Christians,
and I think that that liberty and freedom you know,
really originate from a Christian idea in that sense. But
we have people from all different backgrounds that partner with us.

Speaker 7 (53:27):
You see that.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
You know, we're you know, even displayed in some of
our speakers, you know that we work with. So I
oversee you know tp USA faith, which is you know,
kind of our our our church driven arm of that.
So I work with a little bit different base of
individuals than what Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action
you know, are working in within a daily basis.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Is it dangerous out there? I saw what happened in
Tennessee State University and which there were three or four
representatives and they were literally had their placards, they were
torn up, the chairs who were overthrown. There was like
a mini riot. The police show up even after the
death has been almost a month now of Charlie Kirk.
And is it still dangerous out there to be a

(54:07):
Christian to believe in God, family and country? How dangerous
isn't And have you seen the recent videos on college campuses.
The violence has not stopped.

Speaker 10 (54:17):
You know, I think it's been dangerous to be a
Christian for about two thousand years, and I think that
it's going to continue to be dangerous to be a
Christian until the Lord returns. The Bible says in John
fifteen that you know, Jesus says specifically that they will
hate you because they hated me first talking about himself,
and so you know, we know that there is a
hatred for Christians in this world because people who are

(54:39):
rebelling against God and have hatred for God are going
to hate His children, his people, his name, his voice
in any of those sayss I believe that Charlie was
silenced not for his political views, but because he was
a Christian, because he stood on biblical principles, because he
testified to his faith. He died of murder, and so yeah,
it is dangerous, but you know, our love in the
same way that God loves us enough to send his

(55:00):
son to die, we love the world enough in Christ
to be willing to put ourselves in dangerous positions and
at the risk of personal peril in order to share
this gospel. Obviously, we want to be smart. I would
encourage any church out there they should have security right
now that if they should be rethinking their plan. We've
seen an uptick in church violence, all of those things.
All of us have to be thinking about this. This

(55:21):
is not just you know, turning point USA, but but ultimately,
you know, we believe that this life, it's a butt
of vapor and it is worth the risk to be
able to lead somebody else to you know, out of
a pit of hell into an eternal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Now, lastly, how's Erica doing?

Speaker 11 (55:40):
Is she?

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Her speech I thought two days after the event was
one of the greatest things I've ever seen. It was,
I believe. It was on Friday night, about nine pm,
two days after her husband was murdered, and she related
somewhere that she wanted to to see his body.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
He she went into the morgue and and looked at
his face in the hand, a slight smile on his face,
and she said, it's relatable because the second he was dead,
the next second he saw the face of Christ and
that was reflected on his face. How's Erica doing?

Speaker 10 (56:14):
You know? I think anybody who goes through tragedy and
and just just such a heinous event at this level
is going to have a wide array of emotions. All
of us here, you know, we are cycling through feelings
of you know, probably disbelief and anger and these things.
But I think Erica has made very clear, you know,
where she stands on this. We saw her ability to

(56:35):
really just grab a hold of God's grace and unconditional
love and something that was truly supernatural when she, you know,
uttered those words, I forgive you, know, I forgive you.
I mean, this is it's so powerful. It's this is
a difficult time, as you can imagine, but God's grace
is really, you know, I think, falling on all of
us here at TPUSA, and I think that we've really

(56:56):
looked to Erica to to be able to be that
stabilizing for or see her navigate through this with such
resolve and grace and strength and stability despite a men's
pain has been a real unifying factor. I think for
all of us.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Pastor Lucas Miles, thank you the book as Pagan Threat,
and that title puts the cheese on the cracker. Pagan threat.
It's everywhere. Pastor Lucas Miles, You're a great American. Bill Cunningham,
the Great American. Live with you every Sunday Night by

(57:42):
Billy cunning in the Great American. And I will continue
to follow what's happening with Turning Point USA had Charlie
Kirk on a couple of times. I've met myself available
in Midwest to go to certain rallies. I will stand
up tall and proud for the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
So when you have a Pagan threat book written by
Reverend Lucas Miles, who is a close associate of Charlie

(58:06):
Kirk and things of that character, I kind of want
to stay close to this group because this bullet cannot
change the trajectory of what Charlie Kirk contended. It simply
cannot happen. All let's continue with more coming up next.
As Erica Snsey, she's the founder of Parents defending education.
Bill cunning Him to Great American with you every Sunday night,

(58:48):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, if you've listened
to me the past several years, certainly public education isn't
complete turmoil. Although I'm very familiar with happening in Cincinnati
public schools, the same as true in Chicago or Austin,
or Sacramento or New York. I could not imagine being
in Atlanta public school where that its education must be.
Like I've referenced before that many of these kids come

(59:09):
out as marching Marxist. The average twelfth grader in Chicago
reads about the eighth grade level. It's in doctrination, not education,
and it's getting worse, it's not getting better. Jonaan you
and I. I is doctor eric Osanzi. She's a public
relations director with defunding, defending education, et cetera, and defunding

(59:30):
education as it is today. And Erico, welcome, I think
for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before
we get into your article at OutKick, which I think
was fabulous, can you kind of tell us what's happening
with doctor Ian Roberts, the superintendent des Moines, which is
illustrative of a larger problem.

Speaker 11 (59:47):
Yeah, I mean, this is one of those stories that
you actually feel like it's like made for a move
to be made into a movie. Every time I checked
the news, another shoe has dropped related to this guy.
But essentially, you know, the Des Moines Public Schools that has,
you know, thirty five thousand students hired this man, doctor

(01:00:09):
Ian Roberts, to become their superintendent.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
His salary plus benefits.

Speaker 11 (01:00:16):
All in per year with three hundred and five thousand dollars.
And it turns out that he appears to just be
kind of like a con man. So he was arrested
the end of last week by ice or detained I
think the word right, detained by ice because there was
an active deportation order out for him which was issued

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under the Bibe administration in May of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
When he was.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
Pursued by the Ice agents, he abandoned his car and
took off in like some sort of like woods or
like they think they said it was like a brushy area,
left a loaded gun in his car three thousand dollars
in cash. So that's already like a pretty big story.
But it turns out that he also had lied about
his credentials, had lied about getting a doctorate from Morgan State,

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which he never did, so he was going by doctor
back when he was working in the DC Public School
in twenty twelve, but he didn't actually get his or
his doctorate until twenty twenty one. And I think it
was kind of from one of those like online diploma
mill type places. He misrepresented being a citizen on his
I nine and he also left behind he worked at

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a school in Pennsylvania and left in his wake four
hundred and five thousand dollars in legal settlement costs for
the district, all directly related to him. I mean, I mean,
I don't you never want to relish in a story,
but it really does like it just it's it's insane.
And then when you see what his ideology was, when

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you see what the policies were in des Moines under him,
it just all makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
He was a classic dei higher. He fit the formula
of the liberals of the Poinne Board of Education. And
I suppose one of the women, one of the ladies
that hired him, is now running for the Senate. And
I want to take the place of Jody Ernst next year,
and I'm reading this describe that explain that one.

Speaker 11 (01:02:19):
It's even worse than that. So, first of all, I
hate to say this because this does make me sound sexist,
and that's fine. This is an all female school board,
and I do think that's relevant because of the way
that empathy is much more easily weaponized with women. Number Two,
the ch the board chair. This woman who is the
chair of the board was in the past Michelle Obama's

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chief of staff, perfect and she's now running for a
US Senate. And the funniest thing is she made a
video a few days ago saying, I've been so busy
with my volunteer job as a school board chairs the
past week that i haven't had time to can work
on my campaign, So please donate money. So she's literally

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she's fundraising off a massive failure, which I don't know
that just kind of that takes a lot of I
don't know what to think that people are going to
want to give you money because you are now like
a nationwide spectacle because of your Either two things, one
of two things happened.

Speaker 9 (01:03:24):
Either this was.

Speaker 11 (01:03:27):
Ideology that had taken over and had you know, blinded
them to reality, or this is completing competence.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Well, doctor Ian Roberts is not a doctor. I'm watching
one of the immigration lawyers representing the Trump administration who says,
thirty years ago he was involved in drug dealing. He
was picked up illegally. He's from the nation of Guyana
in South America. Every part of his life is fake.
And now the Moine Board of Education is saying, well,

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we hired this other company to do the proper investigation.
All it takes is a computer and Google to find
out this guy does not have a life at all
other than as a trickster and a hoaster. And when
the gig was up, he ran in a car, parked
the car illegally in a field, ran hide behind some
bushes and trees with a gun illegally, a knife illegally,

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and with three thousand dollars in cash. And this is
the person the Liberal Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa wanted
to lead thirty thousand kids in the public school system.
I can imagine the results of the testing in that
school district with this guy in charge. And one of
the scoreboard members wiped away tears as she spoke in
Spanish during the Tuesday night acceptance of his resignation and

(01:04:39):
the students, how about this one, Erica Sonzi, how about
this one. There were about fifteen or twenty students who
walked out Wednesday or Wednesday morning in protest. They were
unhappy they lost their good looking superintendent who fed all
the DEI principles. How about the students themselves saying we
want him back.

Speaker 11 (01:05:01):
Well, again, this is another thing with that weaponization of empathy,
right where you convince these kids that in order to
be a good person, they have to stand up for
this guy. Now, I've worked in enough schools to know
most students don't know who the superintendent is. So if
there was an overwhelming awareness of this guy by students,

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that's also kind of strange. So the fact that they
would be And again you're going to see these the
parents who are protesting again why because it's about these
identity boxes. For them, he doesn't matter what he did wrong.
We've seen this so many times over the past few years,
that people will make excuses and lower the bar if
people check off certain identity boxes. And that's clearly what

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happened here, because it's all indefensible no matter who he is.
But again, but for some of these people for whom
this ideology has sort of like broken their brains. Yeah,
they they're still kind of clinging to the idea that
he was the right guy for the job.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Liberal females were encaptured with the way he appeared, had
had the right kind of hair, representation, always looked great,
represented very well. It was all a fake and a fraud.
Before we talk about your column, which I think is
fabulous at at OutKick, I want to talk briefly about Chicago,

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and I'm reading a headline Chicago Teachers Union Morn's death.
A convicted seventies cop killer and revolutionary and this got
small strift in the mainstream media. But back in the
nineteen seventies, there was a woman who took the name
of Asada Shakur, literally convicted of killing a police officer.
His name was State Trooper New Jersey Warner Forster. And

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she was convicted in nineteen seventy seven. No question, she
did it. She was convicted, And somehow I must have
missed this one. Her band of renegades and revolutionlutionaries broke
her out of a female state prison in New Jersey
and she made her way to Cuba. And so for
the last time. Almost fifty years she's been living in
Cuba and every president has tried to get her back

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because she convicted, no questions, she killed a cop as
a revolutionary act. Well, she died about a week ago,
and the Chicago Teachers' Union mourns the death of convicted
seventies cop killer and revolutionary Assada Shakor. These are the
teachers in Chicago. This is a cop killer in Cuba,
they said, rest in power, rest in peace. Today we

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honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a
fierce writer, a revered elder, a black liberation and a
leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle.
Assawda refused to be silenced. She taught us so much.
So I'm reading this so last week Chicago teachers honored
a cop killer as a revolutionary. Why isn't that a

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bigger deal?

Speaker 11 (01:07:58):
So I saw a lot about this, probably because I
was on X a lot, and I would say too. Again,
it is important for listeners to know that the union
leadership is very radical, yes, and the rank and file
are much less so, though the rank and file often
are unaware of what their leadership is doing and saying

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so but yeah, no, Well, we get to remember this
is the same teachers union who also said that anyone
who wanted schools to reopen during the pandemic was a
racist and a misogynist, which actually an a white supremacist,
I believe. So this this is one of the craziest, most.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
Unhinged teachers unions in the country.

Speaker 11 (01:08:44):
I am not surprised that they came out and said that,
because that is who they are, and they it literally
makes me think of like it like if we were
going to like ads a be like wanting to honor
Timothy McVay or something right where you you know, she
in addition to killing being a cop killer, I believe
she was also a bank robber.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Correct.

Speaker 11 (01:09:05):
And the mayor of Chicago was asked about this now,
and he's also a total whack job who used to
run this name this he used to run this union.
To give you a sense, I mean, he's just like
he's like a radical revolutionary type. And uh, he didn't
condemn what the union said. He basically said.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
That she.

Speaker 11 (01:09:29):
What's the word I'm looking for here? She proclaimed her
innocence throughout, and he said that, you know, when she
was convicted, you couldn't get a fair trial in this
country if you were a person of color, he said,
so basically, he defended the the Union by saying she's
probably innocent because you couldn't get a fair trial back then.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
She's a victim, and so her revolutionary band broke her out.

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
The reason I issue on today is is your column
and OutKick headline is teachers who delight in murder and
assassinations are un fit for the job. You go on
to write, millions of kids in this country love Charlie
Kirk saw I'm executed on livestream. You go on to
say that there's a question of fitness for the job,
and you have some of the quotes of teachers and others.

(01:10:13):
Quote another Nazi dead resting urine, Charlie Kirk. You also
the teachers have said, I've watched a video over and
over like fifty times, love every fraction of a second
of it. It gets better with every watch. That's from
a teacher quote. Yes I'm celebrating. Yes I hope he
rots another one far right, buttholes have a target on

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their backs. One down, millions to go. So these are
teachers in the classroom celebrating in cold blood the murder
of Charlie Kirk. Explain that one to me.

Speaker 11 (01:10:44):
So these are all quotations that I pulled from social
media platforms. So these were k through twelve teachers who
took to public platforms to celebrate this asassity. They were
not said in the classroom, they but they were put

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out on a public platform in the immediate aftermath of
that murder. And again, like, as I'm wearing my former
teacher hat and my parent hat, this is a question
of fitness. You're not fit for the role of to
be educating other people's children in a compulsory education system

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if this is the way that you behave publicly after
political assassination. And to me, it doesn't matter who the
it doesn't matter who is who gets killed. This behavior
of this behavior of delighting and murder is something that
maybe if my cashier at Wendy's, or my Amazon driver

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or my mechanic, you know, if if they do that
and I know about it, I can take my business elsewhere.
But that to me is totally different than the adults
who have custodial care of other people's children. And again
I have to say, like, this is a compulsory education system,
and we don't let parents choose they have to send
their kids to a school that they're residentially assigned to

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unless they have the means to make other arrangements. So
to say that kids are being forced back into classrooms
with adults who celebrated the murder of somebody that many
of these kids didn't just look up to and admire,
but he was like a daily part of their sort
of social media diet, and they saw him snuffed out

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in an instant. And then they have to listen to
the teacher, you know, or they at least have to
know that their teacher thinks that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
And doctor Sanzi, I'm glad you had that delineator. I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 11 (01:12:52):
Think I think you're mixing me up with doctor Ian Roberts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
That's it, Eric of defending Education and the columns at OutKick,
I want to say this, I'm against cancel culture. That
we all have rights of freedom of expression, freedom of speech.
I draw the line if I'm ordering a meal at
a restaurant, if someone a postal worker, someone like that,

(01:13:16):
have doing ministerial functions of one type or another. You know,
I'm saying, okay, I can, but i don't want somebody
in charge of my health, like the anesthesiologist from Miami,
Florida who went on another a woman by the way,
who talked about how happy she was that Charlie Kirk
is murdered. I don't want a college professor. I don't
want someone who's at teaching my kids in school with

(01:13:37):
these with this value system, some of the other cuts
that you have about teachers. Quote, I can't believe people
are actually mourning this. I can't use the word quote.
Hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot and died really brightened
up my day. Another one said, I'm glad he's dead.
Another one out of social media said, what a piece
of garbage. This is what happens. He met his maker.
But let's be very clear that maker is not in

(01:13:59):
have Charlie Kirk is not in heaven. He's in hell
right now. That's from teachers on social media. So explain
again to the American people why this is not cancel culture.

Speaker 11 (01:14:12):
Well, this is not cancel culture because this is a
question of fitness for the job. And we as parents
delegate the authority to schools to serve in local parents
during the school day. That means that these are people
that are tasked with educating other people's children. To me,
behaving that way is a sign that your moral compass

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is completely broken. And if that broken moral compass is
gonna you can't force me to make my kids spend
their time with somebody like that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
Yes, because there's two reasons.

Speaker 11 (01:14:48):
One delighting and murder. And by the way, a political
assassination of somebody in the midst of a debate on
a college campus that clearly is just qualifying, but so
is the lack of judgment. It takes two. Again. They
didn't whisper this to their spouse, They didn't like say
this when they were out to dinner with their friends,

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right they put it on a public platform for the
world to see. So that tells me that they just
they lack any judgment or all judgment required to be
in that kind of a position with other people's children.
Because right now, like there are kind of trapped have

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I mean, when you look at middle school and high
school kids, especially boys, Charlie Kirk was, they probably saw
him on their phones every single day. Many of them
admired him, looked up to him, thought he was relatable,
thought he was able to say things if they wish
they could say, but they're afraid to say. Liked his politics,
so they liked him. Other people, it wasn't politics. He

(01:15:50):
was kind of a faith leader for them, so they
looked after him for that reason. For some kids, it
was just finally a regular guy that just like speaks
the truth, whatever it was. They saw his life extinguished
right before their eyes. When we talk about kids not
having boys don't have role models. Boys don't have role models.
That's why we literally watched one of them be murdered
in front of their eyes, and then their teacher goes

(01:16:11):
out and says that that's a good thing. I mean,
couldn't the kid wonder? Couldn't the kid wonder? Gee? I
wonder if my teacher would be excited if I was killed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
We have to run. But Erica Sanzi defending education. The
columns on OutKick Bill Cunningham, The Grand American live with
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So please pray for those special people in Israel going
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I now or next shall be Jeff krue Air Jeff
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(01:17:13):
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Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, Jeff Crueir is
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faces along Road to Redemption and Jeff crue Air, Welcome
again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before we talk about

(01:18:33):
James Combe and all that kind of stuff, give me
your sense of where we are. We're about four or
five days in in the government shutdown. All it would
take is for the Democrats, five or six more Democrats
in the Senates to say, you know what, enough is enough.
We'll have a clean cr and we're going to vote
for the same continuation of federal spending as we voted
for in March. And this is the Biden budget that

(01:18:55):
concluded on October I'm sorry, on September thirtieth, which is
the fiscal the US. So we're about a weekend of
this thing right now, and they're Republicans saying, well, let's
just keep the Biden budget going, and the Democrats are
going nuts. Give me your perspective if any.

Speaker 12 (01:19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think the Democrats own this bill.
I mean, I think the Democrats are going to cave eventually.
Already three of them voted with the Republicans. And by
the way, Fetterman is looking like the most reasonable Democrat
in Congress. If only you had more Democrats like Setterment.
But I do think they're going to they're going to
cave eventually. I think they're going to get the heat.

(01:19:32):
I think Republicans should just stand firm. Democrats are trying
to get in this what they couldn't get into one
big beautiful bill, which is basically healthcare for illegals. So
this is all on them. As you said, Schumer went
ahead with the clean cr back in March. In the interim.

(01:19:52):
You got a lot of heat for doing that. AOC
is breathing down his neck, and you know, it's politics,
and he's worried about his position, and the left we
hang is now with certain control, and you know this
is what we end up with.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
I kind of have to think, Jeff Career, how does
this end? I assume it's going to be the next
payday to miss they have the federal workers have not
missed the payday yet. The last one was September thirtieth.
The next one's the fifteenth, and so the paychecks are
supposed to come. And in the past, well when these
eighteen other shutdowns took place, they ever paid anyway. And

(01:20:24):
so we until the fifteenth, there's nothing, nothing much to do.
So this could go on for a while, and this
will give the Trumpster an opportunity to right size the
federal government, the bureaucracy, be careful for what you wish.

Speaker 12 (01:20:39):
Well, that's what he talked about doing it. It'll be
an opportunity for him to make some serious cuts in government.
I mean, we know the government's too big. I mean, Bill,
we've got a thirty seven plus trillion dollar debt that
we have to take care of. And the president has
a unique opportunity here. It should take advantage of it.
And the Democrats are in disarret. They are totally all

(01:21:01):
over the board on the far far left. You don't
have any voices of reason, really very few, and the
president is just driving them crazy. They're just filled with anger.
And you know they're talking about the president being you know,
mentally incompetence. I mean, of course they said nothing when
Biden was president for four years. They just said he

(01:21:23):
was sharp as attack. And now they're worried about the
mental competence of the president. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
A few days ago, ahead on Senator Ran Paul the
only Republican in the Senate that voted against us. He
voted with Chuck Schumer, and he said, look, the Republicans
want to spend and borrow over this fiscal year, the
one coming up, this one about two trillion dollars want
to borrow that, and that Democrats want to borrow three trillion,
and either it's two or three trillion. At some point

(01:21:50):
we're gonna have one hell of a problem in this
country because if we're not the reserve currency, or if
the other nations of the world and certain funds do
not want to buy our debt, we're gonna need whalebarrels
going to the grocery store to get a loaf of bread.
And so doesn't Rand Paul have a point about borrowing
under Trump's plan and additional two trillion dollars every year

(01:22:14):
for the next several years. Doesn't he have a point?

Speaker 7 (01:22:16):
He?

Speaker 12 (01:22:17):
I mean, he has a great point. I mean I
understand where he's coming from. I mean, I understand his
fiscal common sense. I mean he's one of the few
that really holds the line on spending. And he was
one of the few voices that called athels during COVID.
So I mean he's got a record as a truth teller.
Problem is, of course, that you know, they don't have

(01:22:37):
enough like him. I mean, he's out there on an
Island and it's just him.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
So I mean, we need.

Speaker 12 (01:22:43):
More that are that are fiscally responsible and give him
some you know, colleagues to work with. Right now, I mean,
it's just Ran Paul on the Senate side. There's maybe
one or two on the House side, but he's right.
I mean, we've got to seriously reform spending. And that
was one of the problems with the One Big Beautiful
Bill is because of the added debt that it created.

(01:23:07):
So that was a legitimate criticism, but you know, the
Republicans said that they had to pass it otherwise we'd
have these massive tax increases which we can't allow. So
you know, we were stuck well, and I probably would
have voted for it too, because I wouldn't want to
see any taxes go up either.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
You know, my friend Congressman Tom Massey was the one
in the House that said, no, we can't afford this.
Maybe there's something in the water in the state of Kentucky,
but nonetheless, part of it, part of this requirement of
Chuck Schumer is that the five hundred million, the half
of billion dollars be issued to NPR within three days
of opening the government. And so I thought we had

(01:23:44):
that debate concluded. The NPR has its viewpoint. And the
reason Democrats fight like warrior poets to keep NPR is
because they're a democratic outlet. It's not well publicized. But
the Democrats want five one hundred million dollars to refund
NPR and PBS, and that's not been well publicized.

Speaker 12 (01:24:07):
And we've got to stand firm against that because that's
already been decided. They want to revisit all these things, Bill,
which is what you're just talking about. By the way,
do you know that none of these PBS and PR
stations have gone out of business. I mean, all of
them have been able to survive by asking their viewers
and listeners to donate. So they just had to cut

(01:24:29):
back some, but they're still on the air. None of
them have completely closed their doors. So they didn't need
all of this federal large s. They didn't need it.
So we've got to stand firm on that. We cannot
be funding any entities that just present one side of views.
This is supposedly for the whole country, and they're all
their board, all their programming, all their executives are left wing,

(01:24:54):
and we shouldn't be in the business of left wing propaganda. Jeff,
for no question, back down on that bill. We can't
back down.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
You know, maybe they could fund you and me. Maybe
they could fund certain parts of conservative maybe they conserve.
Maybe they could fund conservative talk radio. That would never happen.
And the reason they fight so hard for NPR and PBS,
and the reason they fight so hard for late night
comics the jimmies are unfunny is because they represent democratic viewpoints.
And the reason they fight so hard for New York

(01:25:24):
Times Washington Post is because they're the outlets of the
radical left. We have to get into this column here
road on September twenty ninth, about the FBI faces along
road to redemption. Let's go over the sins in the
crimes of James Comy, going back at least to twenty sixteen.
Explain that to the American people.

Speaker 12 (01:25:43):
James Comy is a liar. He lied about the Steele dossier,
He lied about Hillary Clinton's emails. He should have prosecuted her,
but he didn't. He went after General Flynn in a
very handed way. He basically is a tool of the

(01:26:04):
left that was being used to try to bring down
Donald Trump. He's lied. Now that they have charged him
with perjury. He lied about what he did by you know,
slipping information to his friend who got it published. And
what he was trying to do as he was walking
out the door was to make sure that there would
be a Muller investigation going after the president, and he

(01:26:28):
successfully got this special counsel created, and you know he
lied about it. So he's on record line as the
President Trump posted, it should be easy to be able to,
you know, get a conviction on this guy. The problem
is that the judge is a Biden appointed judge. So

(01:26:49):
that's always seems to be something that the Democrats benefit from.
The venue is a little bit different. It's in you know, eastern.

Speaker 7 (01:27:00):
Virginia.

Speaker 12 (01:27:01):
It's not in DC, thank goodness. So maybe we have
a little bit better chance for justice. But the Democrats
have such built in advantages from the judges, to the juries,
to where the venues are. But this man is a disgrace.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Well, yeah, you're saying your column as FBI Director James
Comey was a disaster. He should have charged Hillary Clinton,
exonerated Donald Trump, and completely dismissed the bogus THEO dossier.
He should never have authorized warrant applications based on lies
or sanctioned that should be leaked to the New York Times,
which was a crime. He summarily lied to Congress. In fact,

(01:27:38):
even CNN and those who represent the far left wing
have said, I've watched it. Well, James Comy lied. Of course,
he didn't tell the truth to Congress. But that's no
big deal because a lot of people lie to Congress.
So you have former US attorneys saying, well, of course
he lied to Congress. But let's face it, everyone does,
so it's okay. But just on the issue of charging
Hillary Clinton, for those who forgot the summer of twenty sixteen,

(01:28:03):
what did he say Hillary Clinton had done that should
have resulted in her indictment for maybe thirty three thousand counts?

Speaker 12 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I mean he went through the whole list of
things that she had done. She lied, She lied over
and over and over again about her thirty three thousand emails.
But he made the bogus claim that no prosecutor would
indict her, and that, of course is another lie right there,
because I think any reasonable prosecutor would have He said

(01:28:33):
that they wouldn't, so I mean he was covering for her.
Even though Hillary is upset with James Comy because he
brought up the Anthony Wiener laptop toward the end of
the campaign, and of course they went through the Anthony
When Your Laptop in record time and was able to
say that they went through it all and there was
nothing there. But Hillary still has bitter towards James Comy,

(01:28:55):
but nothing compared to Donald Trump is what he did
with the pre So yeah, I think the president's happy
about this indictment. I think the American people should be.
But he's not the only FBI director who's lied. His
successor lied as well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Christopher Ray. You say, no longer the f BAD director
are facing the same legal problems as James coming. Didn't
Christopher Ray lie about the two hundred and seventy five
FBI agents and informants working the Capitol on January the sixth.

Speaker 12 (01:29:27):
Yeah, he said he didn't believe that they were any
He didn't believe that they were any and they were
two hundred and seventy four. Now Cash Brittel later said
that they were there, you know, after it had started
for crowd control. Either way, Christopher Ray knew very well
what was going on. I mean, we've been lied to
about Jay six from the beginning Bill, you know about

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the pipe bombers, the whole way that these protesters were
allowed to, you know, go in there. They've just opened
up the the barricades and allow them to go in
and then charge them for that. And then there were
instigators from Antifa and the police and the FBI, and
these people were set up, a lot of them, and

(01:30:10):
of course they were treated so horribly. And look at
how that George Floyd protesters were treated with kid gloves.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Well, the one hundred thousand protesters on January the sixth,
it was well known weeks in advanced planes, trains, buses,
and cars. The FBI knew what was coming. In fact,
they embedded these two hundred and seventy four or others
into the various crowds, which is a good tactic. They
used it with the Ku Klux Klan for a long time,

(01:30:37):
but they would never use it with Antifa. But nonetheless,
that's a different story. But they knew, or should have known,
exactly what was planned because their agents were involved with
the groups coming to Washington to protest, and so of
course they knew, and Christopher Ray acted as if we
had no clue what was going on when they knew
what was going to happen.

Speaker 12 (01:30:57):
Yeah, and Christopher Rays, the guy who said that the
biggest threat that we face is you know, white supremacists,
that they're the biggest threat to America. I mean, what
a joke, what a liar. And of course his handling
of the Jay six thing has been atrocious from the
very beginning. I'm hoping the cash Betel is going to

(01:31:17):
give us some answers about the pipe bomber, about you know,
the extent of these agents. Some good things are going on.
We got rid of some of the folks who were
kneeling when the whole George Floyd mess was going on
that we're trying to show there Christs for social justice.
Those folks have been fired. So that's a good step

(01:31:38):
in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
He's going to be a rain comb. He's going to
be a rain on October the ninth. Now, lastly, you
have a great part of your column that deals with
Charlie Kirk, and you haven't hear about Charlie Kirk and
the text messaging tether and fro that we need information
now about Charlie Kirk and talk about what you would
like to see happened with the a Sassin of Charlie

(01:32:01):
Kirk mounting questions I need to answer.

Speaker 12 (01:32:05):
Yeah, I think there are a lot of questions. Bill.
I receive videos every day from people that are poking
holes in the official narrative. I mean, we could spend
hours going through all the different theories that people have
sent me. There does seem to be a lot of
distrust about the official narrative. And you know why, because
you know, we've been lied to over the years. I mean,

(01:32:25):
we have not been told the truth about so many things,
from weapons of mass destruction to COVID to in my opinion,
the election and you know JA six, on and on
and on. So people are obviously distrustful. We're hoping Cash
Betel and Dan Bongina, we're bringing integrity back to the FBI,
but we know that there's so many deep state folks

(01:32:46):
embedded in there. So there are questions that I'm hearing about.
You know, the videos that have been released about the shooter,
about the text messages. A lot of people just don't
buy the text messages, don't think that that's how twenty
two year olds communicate, and their holes in the timeline
build the timeline doesn't really add up when you look

(01:33:08):
at the timeline. So it just is, you know, we
just need more information. We need to have more disclosure
about what happened. This is a man who is a
hero to millions of Americans, and he was known to
millions of Americans and now he's gone, and there needs
to be full disclosure about you know, where we stand
as far as the investigators, well.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
To me, the biggest hole to me are the drones.
According to one report, I saw the six to ten
members of Charlie Kirk's security team when they went to
the site. They looked up and saw three or four
buildings about two hundred yards away, and they said, we
have to get those buildings covered. They were thinking about
the assassination attempt on Donald Trump and Butler County, Pennsylvania,

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and so they were said, we have drone technology with us,
and we can put drones over the top of those
buildings where a sniper might be, and we can monitor
who's on the roof and the roof, and the security
team for Charlie Kirk was told by campus police, we'll
have that covered, don't worry about it, and look what happened.

Speaker 12 (01:34:10):
Well, and I've been told that there was like six
policemen from the university that were at the event, I
mean six and we had I mean thousands of people
that were there. So there was a massive error in
the security, just like there was in Butler, Pennsylvania. And
I mean, I think a lot of us still have

(01:34:30):
questions about the Secret Service, and some recent incidents have
occurred that have raised more questions about the Secret Service.
So I think again people are distrustful of the official
narratives that they're hearing, and you know, we need to
get to the bottom of what happened here. So were
we being told that there was just another quote unquote

(01:34:51):
loan wold Wolf who was able to get all done
by himself, right, get up there, disassemble the rifle, get
down somehow, get it in the woods, in the woods,
and then to.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Be discovered, to be discovered there and take it with
him to be discovered. And I'm thinking, where are the drones?
What assassin leaves the weapon behind this, assembles it, leaves
it in the woods, go back. I don't get it.
Jeff Currer, let's keep the lines open of communication, uh,
New Orleans, and your columns are always at town Hall

(01:35:23):
And Jeff Creweir dot net and Jeff continue to question.
Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and Jeff,
you're a great American.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
Thank you always a pleasure.

Speaker 12 (01:35:33):
Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Let's continue with more drones. We got that covered and
it wasn't and Charlie Kirk is dead. Bill Cunningham with
you every Sunday Night by Billy Cunningham. And I brought

(01:35:56):
this up at the end of the interview with Jeff Kruer.
And by the way, coming up next is Jeff Gilson
about certain criminal activities imposed upon the Trump administration by others.
But the time I spent with Jeff Careary briefly is
that there was drone technology that was normally used at
a Charlie Kirk rally, especially when buildings are like a

(01:36:17):
sniper's nest, especially after Butler County, PA. And according to
one media account news account, the administrative team and the
security team for Charlie Kirk went to the site a
few days at a time said those buildings have got
to be covered. We have drones. We can send up
the drones and then we can monitor the drones in
real time on our laptop. And the police told Charlie

(01:36:39):
Kirk's team don't worry about that. We'll get that covered,
and somebody did not get it covered. I think I
have trust in faith and now the FBI and especially
Dan Bond JNI to do what's right. But someone's got
to answer the question. It's all these loose ends about
the assassin and how it happened, who helped, who cooperate, etc.

(01:37:01):
But why those building tops could easily have been covered
and they were not. To me as a major fook.
Let's continue with more. Jeff Gilson is next. Bill Cunningham
with you every Sunday night. Let's continue now, Bill Cunningham,

(01:37:30):
the great American. The media, the left wing media, is
going crazy over the indictment of James Comy, and having
read the indictment, there were three counts proposed by the
Prosecutor's office. On the third count there wasn't a true
bill returned to Northern Virginia. But on the other two
counts there were true bill's returned against James Comy, the
first FBI director ever to be indicted on anything. And

(01:37:52):
the media has got on the side of James Comy,
largely saying why this should not take place. So I
thought we'd get perspective on this from Jeff Gilson. He's
a retired attorney developmental consultant and he began his career
crafting speeches for Margaret Thatcher and leverages dual a US
and British citizenship to navigate all the elite political circles
between the US and the UK. And Jeff Gilson, Welcome

(01:38:14):
to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Jeff,
can you just give the overview to the American people?
What are the two counts, what are the facts supporting
each and why is this such a politically hot football.

Speaker 6 (01:38:26):
Well, Bill, I'm not sure how much time to have.
I'll tell you what I will do basically for your listeners.
They're probably much like me, even though I'm steepness kind
of thing. There's a lot of confusing stuff going on,
and we could spend some time talking about the detail.
I will ask your listeners to do something different. All right,

(01:38:46):
the two counts and it's a very short indictment. It's
two pieces of bapies. One he lied to Congress, two
he instructed justice. That's all anybody needs to know at
this stage. Beyond I ask your listeners to do that
if they can remember about ten years rely Fanks on
your memory, because this, I think is what is very

(01:39:07):
crucial here. So let's be immediate. You're absolutely right getting
all up in arms about the indictment. First thing, Trump
didn't indict Comy. Bondy didn't indict tromy You.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
Didn't indict him.

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
I didn't indict him. A grand jury indicted him. That's
the process. Let's trust the process. What's happening is too
many people are undermining the process when it's ues their
political convenience. Convenience, A grand jury indicted tromy Comy. Next thing,
there will be a trial. Let's leave it to the
trial to examine the facts. But in the meantime, rather

(01:39:43):
than trying to understand all of the counter allegations flying around,
trust your memory. What can is accused of doing is this.
He is accused of lying as saying that he never
leaked any information in twenty sixteen about an investigation into
collusion between Trump and Russia, and that when he lied,

(01:40:05):
he instructed justice. All right, guys, cast your mind. By
twenty sixteen, first election Trump got elected, do we remember
that there was talk about an investigation into Trump and
Russia and collusion. Yes, we all remember that was the
news in the summer twenty sixty, right, Bill, it came
from somewhere, either Comy leaked it, or he authorized someone

(01:40:29):
to leak it, or he was so upset he authorized
an FBI investigation into the league till the latter happened. No,
so you're left with the other two folks.

Speaker 7 (01:40:39):
It's that simple.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
It has to be proven in court, but we knew
about it. So that's that's the first thing. Now, look basically,
that's it. Rely on your memory. Don't get get get
sidetracked by this. For instance, one of the things floating
around is that the process of the grand jury wasn't proper. Okay,

(01:41:04):
we need to stop doing this. Both sides need to
stop doing this. There's legal process and it shouldn't be undermined. Yes,
but Trump politicized it no more than Biden and Obama did.
In twenty twenty four, there was a poll, one of
many in the summer of twenty twenty four. We're sixty
percent of Americans, not sixty percent of MAGA, not sixty

(01:41:27):
percent of Republicans. Sixty percent of Americans said that the
four indictments and ninety one charges against Donald Trump was overkilled.
I mean it was political.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Now, no question, and Jeff Gilson on that we'll deal
with Trump here in a moment. I'm watching a few
days ago. Congressman used to be Congressman Adam Kinsinger of Illinois,
who was a Republican. He went to the Iraqi War.
Now he's an advisor to CNN. And one of the
classic throwaway comments he made is that we all know,
of course James Comy lied to Congress. Then he's but

(01:42:00):
everyone does that, therefore it's I guess he meant to
imply it's okay. And then CNN played the cuts of
Senator Chuck Grassley asking specific questions to James Comy under
oath in which there was a disparity, according to seeing
a disparity between what Comy had testified to on one
hand and reality on the other. In other words, Adam

(01:42:22):
Kinzinger not a Trump supporter at all. Adam Kinzinger said,
of course he lied, but everyone lies to Congress, therefore
it's okay. And I'm thinking to myself, well, if ten
banks are robbed and you arrest the arm robbers for
one of the ten, you let him go free because
the other nine were not arrested. The answer is no,
and so comy in my view. On one side, the

(01:42:45):
Democrats indicted Donald Trump repeatedly out of Atlanta, New York
City and federally in two different jurisdictions that carried about
seven hundred years in jail. And they did that according
to the American people, and I believe that, as a
former assistant Attorney general, that it was done for political
reasons to stop him from running. And the media didn't
cover it, how ridiculous it was to indict Donald Trump.

(01:43:07):
They were cheerleaders on this hand, the media saying, how
ridiculous is it to indict James Gami? How come the
media is so inconsistent other coverage of these criminal investigations.

Speaker 6 (01:43:20):
Well, the reason for that, for that is that these
people are hoping that the rest of us don't remember
back ten years. Let's go back to it. Let's go
back to our memory after this business, after we knew
that in the summer twenty sixteen, there were these leaks
about Trump and the Russian collusion, which Muller eventually debunked

(01:43:41):
two years later. People forget that in January of twenty seventeen,
when Obama was still in the office and Democrats would
like to pretend there was no politicization of the DOJ,
the non politicized Obama DOJ and in collusion with Coney
at that time January twenty seventeen investigated and indicted Michael

(01:44:04):
Flynn for exactly the same charges facing Kobe Line and obstruction.
So if Kittinger is saying no one ever does anything
about it, now, lots so true. You started it, and
in fact, in fact that the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
Yeah, is it fair to say the Democrats were the
party when Trump was in the White House and out
of the White House that launched these investigations resulting in indictments.
And not just Donald Trump got indicted. There were thirty
to forty others the National Seat. There were all kinds
of regular people who were around the Trump orbit, and
they wanted to indict them. I know how the game

(01:44:43):
is played to testify against Donald Trump. Then deals would
be offered to everyone around Donald Trump to get him.
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
Well again, Bill, they like to think that we don't remember. Yeah,
we all remember twenty three twenty four when JACKSONI and
let Titia James and Fannie Willis, all of whom have
been proven to have been colluding. Let's use that word.
With Biden's DOJ, the legicization of the DOJ, all of

(01:45:12):
them were trying to find people who would do deals.
Michael Cohen. Anybody remember Michael Cohen, and he remember anyone
remembered the fact he was offered a deal. Look, Bill,
you and I you have your experience, I have mine.
We all of us want to see this stopping. We
all of us want to see the constitution and the

(01:45:32):
rule of law in the United States made sacrisagged again.
But for the Democrats to say it's only the Republicans
and it's revenge is rubbish. This was started with delegitimizing
elections and then with then politicizing the DOJ. That started
under Obama, with Clinton and the Steve dossier. He carried

(01:45:53):
on through Flynn. He carried on under Donald Trump when
for two years Muller special counsel held out that Donald
Trump was definitely going to be found guilty occlusion and
then came out and said no, he wasn't. In then
continuing under Biden Hunter Biden and the interference there and

(01:46:13):
he continued with his pardon what we want to see
is this stop? But it is not the case in
my opinion, and I'll tell you something, Bill. I'm a liberal,
I'm not a Republican. I didn't vote for Donald Trump.
But what I have seen with Donald Trump is not
that he's acting in revenge. He is merely picking up
what happened in twenty sixteen. Well, people will say, why

(01:46:34):
didn't he do that during his first term, because for
two years at least the national security and law enforcement
apparatus of Washington worked against him. James Clapper, Brennan Comy
until he was fired, were all undermining his presidency. I'm
not making this up.

Speaker 10 (01:46:52):
As a liberal.

Speaker 6 (01:46:53):
At the time, I wrote about this and said, people,
what are we doing? This is not the way this
is space to happen. Why are national security and dog
people briefing against their president? Trump is now their president.
That happened for two yearsn't it? Whilst until Muller came
out pale faced and said there was no Russian pollusion,

(01:47:15):
the people got a shock and suddenly realized that something
else has been going on. It has nothing happened during Biden.
It is only now that Trump and his loyal loyalists,
unless he's appointed people who were loyal because the people
who were there before weren't loyal. It is only now
that he is starting to turn to this and it's
been what ten months. Ten months isn't a long time.

(01:47:38):
It took Jack Smith three years to indict We're not
Jack Smith, but the DOJ three years to indict Donald Trump.
So he's moving as fast as he can. Tony is
only the beginning. It will continue with the Steele dossier,
It will continue with Tulsey Gabbard's ICA report. This is
only the beginning. And what everyone needs to do, in fact,

(01:47:58):
with most matters political vote, is calm down and start
trusting the process again.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Jeff Gilson, I'm glad you admitted you're a liberal that
didn't vote for Trump. Therefore your opinion mays may have
more credibility than others. I would point out that a
Keem Jeffries, the House Minority leader, said a few days ago,
you know what goes around comes around. Whoever's involved in
indicting James Coney. At some point we're going to be
back in charge, and Donald Trump's wait a minute, goes
around comes around. Now I'm coming the round because it's

(01:48:27):
already happened to me and all my people wants, and
at some point doesn't the madness have to stop at
some point, at some point, the two parties got to
stop it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
Exactly, Bill and Frankly, I thank you for pointing up
back to my liberal because I'll put my hand up
and say this. I'll be the first. Let's get off
the bandwagon. Let's stop this. This is doing nothing but
causing people to lose trust in their government. In great Brittany,
I picked up. I have an English accent. I'm an
American citizen, but I was born and raised in England.

(01:48:58):
We have a term that I really a joy. It's
called the loyal opposition. You fight an election, you fight
it with passion, you fight it with honor, and when
you lose, you shake hands and you say we're going
to be on your tail. We're going to oppose you,
but we're going to do it loyally. We are loyal
to the people. No one is being loyal to the people.
With both sides at the moment are engaged in the

(01:49:19):
screaming and the sloganeering, but particularly led by the Democrats.
Well the Democrats ought to be saying, is we did this,
we knew it was going to come around. We'll keep
trust the trial, Well wait till that happens, Let's get
on and avoid the shutdown, right, That's what they ought
to be doing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
You know, it used to be that the Democrats and Republicans.
You may have more of a British orientation, but for
decades centuries, the parties fought like crazy. The results of
the election were known, and then Democrats and Republicans in
the Senate of the House will get together and say, look,
let's put aside our political garb for the next year
and a half to two years. We'll worry about the

(01:49:56):
next election a year from November, and let's fight find
out how we can work together. That didn't work anymore. Well,
I think what happened in twenty sixteen when Trump was elected.
It was a shock to the system. The system did
not believe he could win. And the system knew what
they had done to Donald Trump, and they feared that
when Trump got into power on January twenty seventeen, he

(01:50:17):
would discover what the Democrats had done. So they kept
the investigations going and kept the hunting going to ruin
and to make him possible. Donald Trump going back in
time doing diict those responsible for all the crap that
he went through in twenty sixteen, and so they were
successful to an extent. For the next four years, lots
of stuff occurred. COVID happened. Near the end, you had

(01:50:38):
the Moler investigation resulting in nothing. He was impeached two times,
and then all of a sudden, the system said, wait
a minute. In twenty I don't know twenty one twenty two,
what happens if Trump runs for reelection. Oh my gosh,
he's going to find out again what we've done to him,
So we better go after him hard. So Fanny Willis,
Nathan Wade, the New York prosecutors all had meetings in

(01:51:00):
the White House to coordinate indictments, including in the state
of Arizona. Alvin braggs is center of New York City,
to indict Trump and everyone around him to make sure
he didn't get back in power. And a boomeranged on him,
a boomerang Jeff Gilson. The American people said, this looks terrible,
this is wrong. I think part of the reason Trump
won in twenty twenty four was what the Democrats did

(01:51:21):
him in twenty one and twenty two. Sitting in that
thirty filthy New York City courtroom, I had on his son,
Eric Trump quite often talking about his father will not break.
And then he was found guilty. He was guilty of
some I don't know, forty or ninety some counts resulting
in probation and nothing else. And so the Democrats played
the game and lost. In twenty sixteen, they said, oh

(01:51:43):
my god, here he comes again. Let's get him indict it.
And then he won again. Now he'll cut He's coming
back now with vengeance. And I think that's the difference. Vengeance.

Speaker 6 (01:51:52):
Well, you know what, you know what a bill I'm
reminded of. There's no one else there, He's ryan else.
But I'll introduce it. South Africa, Nelson Mandala released from
prison and a black majority government and there was peaceing
and there wasn't the civil war people were expecting. And
I read of a meeting in one of the conferences

(01:52:12):
between a white delegation and the black delegation about what
should be done? How do we start talks? And the
black leader, the leader who eventually killing president of Sada. Yeah, no,
it was a guy called Mbikie. The This is while

(01:52:33):
the Mandela was set of prison, and then Biki went
to the white leader and said, look, what do we
need to do to get talk starting. Why won't you start?
Why won't you start the talks? And the white guy
finally admitted. He said, we're terrified you'll never forgive us
right right. And then Biki said, what do you need?
And I came back and said, I've spoken with my

(01:52:54):
president and he says, what are your terms? What are
your conditions start talks? And Abiki looked a him in
the eyes said none, There are no conditions. The past
is past has billed a future. Amen, that's what we
need Bill to do. Now, I'm reminded of something else.
Maybe people will remember this. I remember and it's not
just a story. It's true. At the end of every

(01:53:15):
day in the eighties, Tip O'Neill would go to the
White House, go into the Oval office and sit down
with Ronald Reagan and have a glass of scotch. That
politics has been lost and we need to find it again.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Jeff Gilson no one. Yeah, your column is excellent and
the headline is Comy Island former FBI director goes from
top cop to castaway maroon and legal waters. I encourage
people to get it. I love what you said about
South Africa and about Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan. We
need that back. Mutually assured destruction, cease fire. Let's move on.

(01:53:50):
Jeff Gilson, I love this interview. Thanks for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show. And Jeff, you're a great American.
Thank you very much. Thank you, Bill, God bless you.
Let's continue. That guy's got it right right there, and
this is revenge, but at some point it's got to stop.
Go Cunningham the Great American. Live with you every Sunday
Night by Billy Cunningham the Great American. Thanks for listening tonight.

(01:54:16):
Loved hearing from Reverend Lucas Miles. One of the confidents
of Charlie Kirk from Turning Point, USA book is the
Pagan Threat, and the pagan threat is on college campuses.
The pagan threat is out of Hollywood, the pagan threat
is in the mayor's position and some police departments. The
pagan threat is everywhere, and to get the book and

(01:54:36):
understand the police do. Also, I want to thank especially
Erica Sonsey of parents defending education about Ian Roberts and
things of that character. How could that happen? How could
he fall He fell through the ranks in Des Moines
Iowa as a felon as a superintendent of schools because
of his life story and because of his race, and

(01:54:57):
the white liberals that run the school district into mine,
eyes glazed over their head thinking about DEI Principles and
somebody from Guyana, and they were responsible to properly screen
this guy, and they failed to do so. Also, of course,
I want to thank Jeff crue Air from New Orleans
about the Komy situation is going to be arrained, I
think on Thursday of this week. But as I said

(01:55:19):
earlier tonight, I'd like to know more about how why
was Charlie Kirk left so vulnerable in that position, and
why weren't the tops of those buildings covered, much as
I like to know why the top of the building
wouldn't cover when Donald Trump came within a half an
inch of being murdered. That thing is also rather quiet,
and I do trust Cash Ptel and Dan BoNT you

(01:55:40):
to give us the truth about Charlie Kirk. Let's continue
with more next Sunday Night. Bill Cunningham with you every
Sunday Night.