November 7, 2025 • 16 mins
Willie talks with Grover Norquist about what the economy will look like when President Trump's policy finally take full effect.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, Bill Cunningham, the great America, welcome this Friday afternoon
in the tri State.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Of course, the Bengals are off on Sunday. Thank god,
they're not going to lose. But then next Sunday they're
at Pittsburgh. We'll see what happens with that. But joinan
you and I now is the great Grover Northquest of
Americans for tax reform. He's been fighting the good fight
for about thirty five or forty years, I say, with
some great success. And first of all, Grover Northquest, welcome
this Friday afternoon. And secondly, give me your overview about
(00:32):
happening with you. What happened on Tuesday with the election
and relative to the shutdown. Was this a great Democratic victory?
Democrats normally win in New York City and California, New Jersey.
So on the other hand, there are a lot of
ballot box Shenanigans that might have been going on. But
give me your overview for tax reform, how this looks
going forward, if at all.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
As you point out, these are bluestate selecting Democrats in Virginia,
where we have hoped that we had a shot there
because we did win the governorship last time. Around you
had a situation as when the incumbent president. When you
have a Democrat president, you tend to elect Republican governors.
(01:17):
In Virginia in the off here, when you have a
Republican governor, you elect Democrat.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
A Republican president, you have Democrat governor.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It is that that happened again, so forty years since
a Republican was elected governor when there was a Republican president.
So it is a state full of government workers, but
it's also a state that gets energized against the inn Party,
against the Democrats, sometimes against the Republicans other times. In
(01:47):
this time you also saw in around the country initiative measures.
Texas voted to put it in the constitution no income tax.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Put it into the constitution that there would never be
a capital game tax.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
And why are they doing that Because they're preparing to
move the stock exchanges out of New York into Texas.
It was recently announced they are more financial workers in
I think Houston than in Texas anyway than in New
York City already. And now they've decided to go and
(02:27):
take empty out Delaware, which has a third of its
revenue coming from the fact that people.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Incorporated in Delaware because they.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Used to have honest judges that you could count on to,
you know, make sure that what you had agreed to
was not going to be sat on by the government.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Then of course they decided to go woke in that state.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Plus it's a little bit on the small sea corrupt
side with the bidens and so on. So when they
didn't like Elon Musk, they said, oh, you can't have
that pay package.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
What it's in the contract? What do you mean we
can't do that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Now we're judges and we make these decisions, not your
board of directors, not your investors, And by doing that
they open the door. Now Texas has written themselves some
great rules, some of which they stole from Delaware. But
Delaware is a good place to incorporate your company. So
(03:23):
we still see the Blue states through the initiative process
and through electing officials that are committed that zero income
tax that you know, Ohio as a House and the
Senate looking to move the income tax to zero. They've
been working on that for some time. The gubernatorial tendidate
you have is committed to going to zero as well,
(03:47):
that Ohio will.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Be if it moves quickly enough. It'd be the ninth state.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
To go to zero, but there are already five states
that are automatically stasing down to zero. West virgin right
next door Kentucky, right next door Indiana.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Long term phase. Indiana is a.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It takes much too long to do it, but Kentucky
and West Virginia are seriously speeding up moving to zero.
Oklahoma's going to zero, and Mississippi all automatically. If they
just sit on their hands and that legislation do nothing,
it phases down to zero as revenue comes in. They're
twelve states looking to go to zero, but Ohio is
(04:29):
going to be one of the first ones to get there,
and getting there ahead of time to being firstest or
close to firstest is a big deal. So I think
we're seeing a continuation of red states becoming redder, blue
states becoming bluer. And no one's life is a bad
example New York City. No one's life is a complete waste.
(04:53):
Some people serve as bad examples. New York City is
working on doing that for themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The New Detroit, Well, you've written a column on this
about this is going to take some time. For example,
when Ronald Reagan was elected, he put in some tax
cuts that didn't work. For about two years eighty two,
he was decapitate it politically and also shot, just like
Trump was. That's a different issue. By eighty four, things
(05:18):
are going magnificently. I guess my concern is that you
right about the fact that all these businesses, foreign businesses
locating here, the effects of shutting down the southern border,
the effects of the big beautiful bill full business expansion
provisions are not going to be felt for one to
three years from now. And at that point, obviously, if
(05:38):
we stick with these policies for the next three years,
or god hoped, for the next seven to nine years,
America is going to look fundamentally different and fundamentally better.
The problem is when I read stories out of the
New York Times that say a mayor for a New
Age saying, what a great thing Mom Donnie has going
for him, which is grave grossly increasing taxes, getting rid
(06:00):
of the public school system for gifted students, having free groceries,
free busses, free subways, et cetera. That that's an immediate
benefit that some are going to receive at the cost
of many others. So are you concerned that the economic
policies of Donald Trump will not fully be implemented and
known for one to three years from now, and that
may be too late for the midterms.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We do worry about that now.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
The tax cut that was extended, the tax increased that
was stopped. The tax cut that was extended making it
easier for people to invest in new businesses and.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Create more jobs who are expensing.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
That was made retroactive to January of this year, not
out into the future, so it won't take as much
time this time for the economy to react. We are
seeing new investments, and so I'm going through the idea
that the President's supporting.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Once again. He tried to get it in the first term.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
He had a Treasury secretary who sadly undermined him. That
is to say, on capital gains, when you sell your house,
when you sell stocks that you've voted for a long time,
you sell a family farm, you sell a small business
that you and your spouse put together. Right now, much
of the game, the capital gain from the house, from
the farm, from land, from your small.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Business is really inflation.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
If you live through Biden's years, twenty percent of your
game is inflation. If you're old enough to have started
bought your house before Carter, that was another twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Percent plus of inflation.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So with the President's talking about doing this and the
Treasury Secretary has said that he likes to as well,
and they're looking to do it through an executive not
an executive boarder, but a rulemaking.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Procedure, not go to the legislature. Don't the government would
not tax inflation when you sell a house a farm.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
That cuts the capital games tax on people trying to
sell a house and move to downsize, to decide to
sell a small business so.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
They can retire, or a farm, all of those.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Things in at least half and probably much more than that.
For many many Americans, that would be felt immediately because
you could say, what did I buy the house for it,
what am I selling it for? How much was inflation?
I now know that if I sell the house, I
would have thirty thousand, hundred thousand more dollars that I
(08:38):
keep than before that. And with houses, that's a pretty
big deal. Same thing with farms and small businesses. This
I think would dramatically know it would dramatically increase the
total savings and.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Of the country. And people are allowed to borrow and
hand it off to their kids.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Let's move on too quickly to Obamacare subsidies. And Obamacare
has failed miserably. It's awful. The Democrats are wrapped themselves
like a vine around extending and expanding Obamacare. About one
hundred and seventy million Americans get their medical care through
a policy and their employer. The rest are Medicare Medicaid.
But then you also have about twenty two million Americans
(09:23):
who were listening into the lives of Obamacare. You like
your doctor, keep your doctor. You're going to save twenty
five hundred dollars a month in your medical bills that skyrocket.
Government gets involved, the deductibilities go up, the cost skyrockets,
and the media won't do stories on the failure of Obamacare.
Explain how the Obamacare subsidies are wrong and how market
(09:46):
forces have been obliterated. The government's taking over more and
more of the availability of medical procedures for those on
Obamacare subsidies. But the Democrats are doubling and tripling down
in Obamacare. Explain that to the America and people grow
over Northwest.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Explain that, yeah, the establishment press won't tell you this,
but will remind you of this. But when Obama and
the Democrats. Sixty Democrats voted to put in Obamacare to
force people to buy certain kinds of health insurance that
was more expensive than what they had before, and then
(10:22):
there were subsidies in there to hide the fact that
it was getting more expensive. The President said that this
would save the average family two five hundred dollars. They
sure what you paid for your insurance would go down
to notting right.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Talk to your.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Parents, talk to your siblings, talk to your neighbors. Do
you know anyone whose insurance went down twenty five hundred
dollars of health insurance more? Did it in fact go
up faster than before? So Obamacare was won a lie
or a failure, Okay, either they knew it wasn't going
to work, and they did it anyway. Some people believe
(10:58):
that since their real plan was government control of health
care the way the Canadians do one the government runs everything.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Are worse than Canada.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Actually, the government run everything, and they'd own everything and
everybody to a government employee. In going to the hospital
would be like going to the post office. And that's
what they wanted. And it was supposed to fail so
that you would that would what you'd get you would
fail into one size fits all government run healthcare. So
(11:29):
why do we have all these subject why do we
have COVID subsidies after COVID's in the rear view mirror
for years, Because this is to mask the failure of Obamacare.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They want to raise taxes and have.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And want to throw that money out there, and then
when you don't have to directly put as much money in,
they act like the rest.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Of it was free. No, you paid for in taxes.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Okay, so you're not just paying the amount of money
that you're they're writing to Obamacare. You're paying the taxes
that pretend to hide or try to hide the subsidies
inherent in Obamacare. Obamacare raise the cost of healthcare. We
should be figuring out how to undo it, not paper
(12:19):
over failure with subsidies and go, oh, there's nothing to
see here.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Just keep driving. There's nothing to see this in.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
The Washington Post also pointed out after it was safely
passed by the Way, not while they were debating it,
that the other lie there was you could keep your
insurance company, you could keep your doctor. This wouldn't affect
you if you didn't want it to that's not true.
They made it mandatory.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Now cost of skyrocket. One of the worst things is
the deductibility I ever produced that Tony Benner's got a wife,
let's say use the Fictissi's got two kids. That means
before they can access medical care, they have spent about
twenty grand out of their own pocket. And that doesn't work.
Premium skyrocket, deductibilities go up, ability to choose your own
(13:04):
doctor evaporates, and the media refuses to inform the American
people what happened with Obamacare. It doesn't fit their agenda.
Simply attack Donald Trump and their goal is to have
Obamacare take over the whole nation. Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes, and our position every time you say you want
to increase the subsidies, you're saying Obamacare was such a failure,
we need to steal more money from you, pretend and
then hand it back to you in subsidies and ask
like you didn't pay the bill when you paid your taxes.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, it's not reported that way, is it. It's reported
the Democrat The Republicans are being cruel and unkind. Keep
the Obamacare alive. Have the premium skyrocket, have deductibilities go up?
Have availability I have doctors and hospitals go down and
blame Donald Trump. It's a great game they're playing. The
Washington Post, not exactly a right wing publication, said Obamacare
(13:59):
has failed and it was built on lies. And I
think I'd love to see a sixty minute piece. Number one,
maybe go to dearborn, Michigan. Hear the call for prayers
five times a day. And secondly, how about having Obamacare
the promises that were made, the lies that were told,
and the results thereof Grover nor course, well that happened
in my lifetime are yours?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Not from the Washington Post.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
But talk radio is the way to get some better
information X and the availability of getting more and better information.
I do hope we will see the great quote from
the new incoming mayor of New York who commented that
there's no problem too big for government to handle, and
(14:44):
no concern too small for government to care.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
What did he just say?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
There's no part of your life the government won't be
monkeying with. Nothing's too big for us to take over,
nothing's too small for us to notice and get involved.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well from each, from each according to their abilities, everything,
two each according to their needs. Don't tax you, don't tax, me,
tax the guy behind the tree. Everything's going to be fine.
Everything's free, including groceries, and as a consequence, the government
will be in charge. When Mandannie said that there's no
problem government can't fix, and I'm thinking, well, that sounds
(15:22):
like Fidel Castro, this sounds like Mendora, that sounds like
pure and simple communism.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He wants the government to run the grocery stores. Have
you ever seen the pictures in Moscow of people waiting
in line for grocery stores with empty shelves.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Governments don't do grocery store as well.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No, and when this fails in New York City, Mom
Donnie was simply blamed Donald Trump for others for his
own failure and won't look at himself and say, we
can't do this. Well, we got to run Grover Norquist
Americans for Tax Reform dot org. At dot org's got
all the information. But Obamacare promised things that weren't delivered.
(16:05):
Now that they weren't delivered, it must be subsidized, and
if it moves, it must be subsidized. And if it's
a grocery store, everything is free. And if Americans believe
that we're going to get the government we deserve, and
that worries me at times. But you've been there since
Ronald Reagan gave you the mission about forty years ago.
Grover and North course, Americans for tax Reform once again,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Grover,
(16:27):
you're a great American. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Bill, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Bill, God bless you. Let's continue with more. It has failed.
Put it wouldn't stake in. It's hard and Obamacare. Let
the American people and capitalism come to work and get
out of the system. Those who don't pay into it
get out of the system. Illegals get out of the system,
those gaming it, and everything's going to be fine. Bill Cunningham,
News Radio seven hundred ww
Now, Bill Cunningham, the great America, welcome this Friday afternoon
in the tri State.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Of course, the Bengals are off on Sunday. Thank god,
they're not going to lose. But then next Sunday they're
at Pittsburgh. We'll see what happens with that. But joinan
you and I now is the great Grover Northquest of
Americans for tax reform. He's been fighting the good fight
for about thirty five or forty years, I say, with
some great success. And first of all, Grover Northquest, welcome
this Friday afternoon. And secondly, give me your overview about
(00:32):
happening with you. What happened on Tuesday with the election
and relative to the shutdown. Was this a great Democratic victory?
Democrats normally win in New York City and California, New Jersey.
So on the other hand, there are a lot of
ballot box Shenanigans that might have been going on. But
give me your overview for tax reform, how this looks
going forward, if at all.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
As you point out, these are bluestate selecting Democrats in Virginia,
where we have hoped that we had a shot there
because we did win the governorship last time. Around you
had a situation as when the incumbent president. When you
have a Democrat president, you tend to elect Republican governors.
(01:17):
In Virginia in the off here, when you have a
Republican governor, you elect Democrat.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
A Republican president, you have Democrat governor.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It is that that happened again, so forty years since
a Republican was elected governor when there was a Republican president.
So it is a state full of government workers, but
it's also a state that gets energized against the inn Party,
against the Democrats, sometimes against the Republicans other times. In
(01:47):
this time you also saw in around the country initiative measures.
Texas voted to put it in the constitution no income tax.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Put it into the constitution that there would never be
a capital game tax.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
And why are they doing that Because they're preparing to
move the stock exchanges out of New York into Texas.
It was recently announced they are more financial workers in
I think Houston than in Texas anyway than in New
York City already. And now they've decided to go and
(02:27):
take empty out Delaware, which has a third of its
revenue coming from the fact that people.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Incorporated in Delaware because they.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Used to have honest judges that you could count on to,
you know, make sure that what you had agreed to
was not going to be sat on by the government.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Then of course they decided to go woke in that state.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Plus it's a little bit on the small sea corrupt
side with the bidens and so on. So when they
didn't like Elon Musk, they said, oh, you can't have
that pay package.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
What it's in the contract? What do you mean we
can't do that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Now we're judges and we make these decisions, not your
board of directors, not your investors, And by doing that
they open the door. Now Texas has written themselves some
great rules, some of which they stole from Delaware. But
Delaware is a good place to incorporate your company. So
(03:23):
we still see the Blue states through the initiative process
and through electing officials that are committed that zero income
tax that you know, Ohio as a House and the
Senate looking to move the income tax to zero. They've
been working on that for some time. The gubernatorial tendidate
you have is committed to going to zero as well,
(03:47):
that Ohio will.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Be if it moves quickly enough. It'd be the ninth state.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
To go to zero, but there are already five states
that are automatically stasing down to zero. West virgin right
next door Kentucky, right next door Indiana.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Long term phase. Indiana is a.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It takes much too long to do it, but Kentucky
and West Virginia are seriously speeding up moving to zero.
Oklahoma's going to zero, and Mississippi all automatically. If they
just sit on their hands and that legislation do nothing,
it phases down to zero as revenue comes in. They're
twelve states looking to go to zero, but Ohio is
(04:29):
going to be one of the first ones to get there,
and getting there ahead of time to being firstest or
close to firstest is a big deal. So I think
we're seeing a continuation of red states becoming redder, blue
states becoming bluer. And no one's life is a bad
example New York City. No one's life is a complete waste.
(04:53):
Some people serve as bad examples. New York City is
working on doing that for themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The New Detroit, Well, you've written a column on this
about this is going to take some time. For example,
when Ronald Reagan was elected, he put in some tax
cuts that didn't work. For about two years eighty two,
he was decapitate it politically and also shot, just like
Trump was. That's a different issue. By eighty four, things
(05:18):
are going magnificently. I guess my concern is that you
right about the fact that all these businesses, foreign businesses
locating here, the effects of shutting down the southern border,
the effects of the big beautiful bill full business expansion
provisions are not going to be felt for one to
three years from now. And at that point, obviously, if
(05:38):
we stick with these policies for the next three years,
or god hoped, for the next seven to nine years,
America is going to look fundamentally different and fundamentally better.
The problem is when I read stories out of the
New York Times that say a mayor for a New
Age saying, what a great thing Mom Donnie has going
for him, which is grave grossly increasing taxes, getting rid
(06:00):
of the public school system for gifted students, having free groceries,
free busses, free subways, et cetera. That that's an immediate
benefit that some are going to receive at the cost
of many others. So are you concerned that the economic
policies of Donald Trump will not fully be implemented and
known for one to three years from now, and that
may be too late for the midterms.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We do worry about that now.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
The tax cut that was extended, the tax increased that
was stopped. The tax cut that was extended making it
easier for people to invest in new businesses and.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Create more jobs who are expensing.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
That was made retroactive to January of this year, not
out into the future, so it won't take as much
time this time for the economy to react. We are
seeing new investments, and so I'm going through the idea
that the President's supporting.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Once again. He tried to get it in the first term.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
He had a Treasury secretary who sadly undermined him. That
is to say, on capital gains, when you sell your house,
when you sell stocks that you've voted for a long time,
you sell a family farm, you sell a small business
that you and your spouse put together. Right now, much
of the game, the capital gain from the house, from
the farm, from land, from your small.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Business is really inflation.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
If you live through Biden's years, twenty percent of your
game is inflation. If you're old enough to have started
bought your house before Carter, that was another twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Percent plus of inflation.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So with the President's talking about doing this and the
Treasury Secretary has said that he likes to as well,
and they're looking to do it through an executive not
an executive boarder, but a rulemaking.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Procedure, not go to the legislature. Don't the government would
not tax inflation when you sell a house a farm.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
That cuts the capital games tax on people trying to
sell a house and move to downsize, to decide to
sell a small business so.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
They can retire, or a farm, all of those.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Things in at least half and probably much more than that.
For many many Americans, that would be felt immediately because
you could say, what did I buy the house for it,
what am I selling it for? How much was inflation?
I now know that if I sell the house, I
would have thirty thousand, hundred thousand more dollars that I
(08:38):
keep than before that. And with houses, that's a pretty
big deal. Same thing with farms and small businesses. This
I think would dramatically know it would dramatically increase the
total savings and.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Of the country. And people are allowed to borrow and
hand it off to their kids.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Let's move on too quickly to Obamacare subsidies. And Obamacare
has failed miserably. It's awful. The Democrats are wrapped themselves
like a vine around extending and expanding Obamacare. About one
hundred and seventy million Americans get their medical care through
a policy and their employer. The rest are Medicare Medicaid.
But then you also have about twenty two million Americans
(09:23):
who were listening into the lives of Obamacare. You like
your doctor, keep your doctor. You're going to save twenty
five hundred dollars a month in your medical bills that skyrocket.
Government gets involved, the deductibilities go up, the cost skyrockets,
and the media won't do stories on the failure of Obamacare.
Explain how the Obamacare subsidies are wrong and how market
(09:46):
forces have been obliterated. The government's taking over more and
more of the availability of medical procedures for those on
Obamacare subsidies. But the Democrats are doubling and tripling down
in Obamacare. Explain that to the America and people grow
over Northwest.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Explain that, yeah, the establishment press won't tell you this,
but will remind you of this. But when Obama and
the Democrats. Sixty Democrats voted to put in Obamacare to
force people to buy certain kinds of health insurance that
was more expensive than what they had before, and then
(10:22):
there were subsidies in there to hide the fact that
it was getting more expensive. The President said that this
would save the average family two five hundred dollars. They
sure what you paid for your insurance would go down
to notting right.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Talk to your.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Parents, talk to your siblings, talk to your neighbors. Do
you know anyone whose insurance went down twenty five hundred
dollars of health insurance more? Did it in fact go
up faster than before? So Obamacare was won a lie
or a failure, Okay, either they knew it wasn't going
to work, and they did it anyway. Some people believe
(10:58):
that since their real plan was government control of health
care the way the Canadians do one the government runs everything.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Are worse than Canada.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Actually, the government run everything, and they'd own everything and
everybody to a government employee. In going to the hospital
would be like going to the post office. And that's
what they wanted. And it was supposed to fail so
that you would that would what you'd get you would
fail into one size fits all government run healthcare. So
(11:29):
why do we have all these subject why do we
have COVID subsidies after COVID's in the rear view mirror
for years, Because this is to mask the failure of Obamacare.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They want to raise taxes and have.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And want to throw that money out there, and then
when you don't have to directly put as much money in,
they act like the rest.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Of it was free. No, you paid for in taxes.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Okay, so you're not just paying the amount of money
that you're they're writing to Obamacare. You're paying the taxes
that pretend to hide or try to hide the subsidies
inherent in Obamacare. Obamacare raise the cost of healthcare. We
should be figuring out how to undo it, not paper
(12:19):
over failure with subsidies and go, oh, there's nothing to
see here.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Just keep driving. There's nothing to see this in.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
The Washington Post also pointed out after it was safely
passed by the Way, not while they were debating it,
that the other lie there was you could keep your
insurance company, you could keep your doctor. This wouldn't affect
you if you didn't want it to that's not true.
They made it mandatory.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Now cost of skyrocket. One of the worst things is
the deductibility I ever produced that Tony Benner's got a wife,
let's say use the Fictissi's got two kids. That means
before they can access medical care, they have spent about
twenty grand out of their own pocket. And that doesn't work.
Premium skyrocket, deductibilities go up, ability to choose your own
(13:04):
doctor evaporates, and the media refuses to inform the American
people what happened with Obamacare. It doesn't fit their agenda.
Simply attack Donald Trump and their goal is to have
Obamacare take over the whole nation. Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes, and our position every time you say you want
to increase the subsidies, you're saying Obamacare was such a failure,
we need to steal more money from you, pretend and
then hand it back to you in subsidies and ask
like you didn't pay the bill when you paid your taxes.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, it's not reported that way, is it. It's reported
the Democrat The Republicans are being cruel and unkind. Keep
the Obamacare alive. Have the premium skyrocket, have deductibilities go up?
Have availability I have doctors and hospitals go down and
blame Donald Trump. It's a great game they're playing. The
Washington Post, not exactly a right wing publication, said Obamacare
(13:59):
has failed and it was built on lies. And I
think I'd love to see a sixty minute piece. Number one,
maybe go to dearborn, Michigan. Hear the call for prayers
five times a day. And secondly, how about having Obamacare
the promises that were made, the lies that were told,
and the results thereof Grover nor course, well that happened
in my lifetime are yours?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Not from the Washington Post.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
But talk radio is the way to get some better
information X and the availability of getting more and better information.
I do hope we will see the great quote from
the new incoming mayor of New York who commented that
there's no problem too big for government to handle, and
(14:44):
no concern too small for government to care.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
What did he just say?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
There's no part of your life the government won't be
monkeying with. Nothing's too big for us to take over,
nothing's too small for us to notice and get involved.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well from each, from each according to their abilities, everything,
two each according to their needs. Don't tax you, don't tax, me,
tax the guy behind the tree. Everything's going to be fine.
Everything's free, including groceries, and as a consequence, the government
will be in charge. When Mandannie said that there's no
problem government can't fix, and I'm thinking, well, that sounds
(15:22):
like Fidel Castro, this sounds like Mendora, that sounds like
pure and simple communism.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He wants the government to run the grocery stores. Have
you ever seen the pictures in Moscow of people waiting
in line for grocery stores with empty shelves.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Governments don't do grocery store as well.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No, and when this fails in New York City, Mom
Donnie was simply blamed Donald Trump for others for his
own failure and won't look at himself and say, we
can't do this. Well, we got to run Grover Norquist
Americans for Tax Reform dot org. At dot org's got
all the information. But Obamacare promised things that weren't delivered.
(16:05):
Now that they weren't delivered, it must be subsidized, and
if it moves, it must be subsidized. And if it's
a grocery store, everything is free. And if Americans believe
that we're going to get the government we deserve, and
that worries me at times. But you've been there since
Ronald Reagan gave you the mission about forty years ago.
Grover and North course, Americans for tax Reform once again,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Grover,
(16:27):
you're a great American. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Bill, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Bill, God bless you. Let's continue with more. It has failed.
Put it wouldn't stake in. It's hard and Obamacare. Let
the American people and capitalism come to work and get
out of the system. Those who don't pay into it
get out of the system. Illegals get out of the system,
those gaming it, and everything's going to be fine. Bill Cunningham,
News Radio seven hundred ww
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