December 12, 2025 • 15 mins
Willie is joined by Commonwealth Attorney Rob Sanders to explain how he got a conviction against Mario Payne for the murder of Kierra Payne.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Billy Cunningham the Great America. After two o'clock today will
be Robert Sherman reporting live from Puerto Rico about Venezuela.
But until then, how many County I'm sorry, Kenton County
has just talked to Joe Eaters off the air. Kenton
County Prosecutor Rob Sanders is joining us now, and Rob
first of all. Joe Eaters call it in. I talked
to him off the air. Wants to wish you and
yours and merry Christmas and a happy New Year. How
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about that from Justice Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That's fantastic, Willie.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I haven't talked to Joe in a few days here,
but you know, it's been it's been nice.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've had Joe kind of vanished off the face.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Of the Europe a little while there when he first
hit the bench, but he's come back around and he's
given me a shout a few times here.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Recently. We've had a lot of.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Interest in things going on, things in the news, so
it's nice to be back in his company and catch
up with him and laugh and cry and debate and
carry on about all things new and politics and family
and everything else that Joe and I talk about. So
I'm glad he's catching up with you as well. But
by all means, Merry Christmas to the theater's family.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know, we have great breakfasts together. And I'll say this,
Justice Joe is Sharon Kennedy, the Chief Justice tells Joe
know your role and shut your mouth, and up until recently,
Joe Eaters has known his role in the black robe,
and he shut his mouth. At some point, though he
may come out. Is there a Justice Rob Sanders down
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the road.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Maybe if I get to be as old as Joe
is someday, if I live that long, Willie, my patience
will grow. But right now I have a really hard
time listening to other lawyers try cases. You know, I'm
a horrible supervisor when it comes to watching my attorneys
trycases because I don't like to.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Be in the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I get too cranky and two, I don't know, nervous
isn't really the right word. I just want to jump
in and do the case myself, so I know I
dropped my assistance crazy. Sometimes when I'm in the courtroom,
I just don't you know, I have a hard time
listen to the defense attorneys do their cases. I just
wanted to shut up, sit down, let's get this thing moving.
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So I don't know that I have the patience to
ever wear a black robe. I have great respect for
the people to do. Uh, but I'm I've never been
patience has never been one of my assets, Willie. And
I don't know that I've got the temperament to be
a patient judge like justice Chick.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, when you get as old as Joe me, you might.
But Sharon Kennedy, the chief, sent him a big note
in black letters, know your role and shut your mouth.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And Joe has said, yes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just gonna guess and say, given Joe's beautiful bride and
her temperament, that's probably not the first woman to.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Tell Joe that shut your mouth.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He probably come, you know, accustomed to it. And and
so I'm sure he took it in stride.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh yes, And we're gonna talk Mario Mario Pain. In
a moment.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, Breitbart, I'm watching Fox News and
I'm watching the hearing for the fired Michigan football coach
Sharon Moore, and I'm looking at him and it's coming
out now that the University of Michigan knew for months
that he was stalking a Michigan employee working for him
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as executive director of the head football coach. They knew
that Page was being victimized by their head football coach.
And this guy was making five last year, he made
eight million dollars for bonuses. Sharon more likely to make
eight million dollars this year. And now he's sitting in
a holding cell, having threatened to kill and or commit
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suicide break into the homes of Michigan employees. I can't
recall someone who's gone from a year ago beating the
Buckeyes at Ohio Stadium, taking the place of Harbaugh, who
went on the NFL fame, I guess. And now he's
sitting in a holding cell with a look on his
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eyes saying, what in the hell is going on around
this place? And now the University of Michigan, which has
ten or eleven assistant coaches, all of which have been disciplined,
the school's on probation for all the shooting they have
done in the past. Now they're head football coaches in
a white black uniform, sitting in a holding cell, nodding
his head, having threatened to kill, breaking the homes and
this is the football coach of the University of Michigan,
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the Mazon the Blue.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, really, it's just going to show you how crazy
intense the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is. And I'm not
a Michigan or an Ohio State fan, Frankly, I think
anybody who's not a fan of either one of those
programs just gets annoyed with the both of them. That's
the category I fall into. But if Michigan was truly
covering this up, yes until after the Ohio State game, yes,
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that they didn't have the distractions try and beat Ohio State,
that's just sick o. These Domestic violence is nothing to
screw around with, and it's you know, it's I hate
to even make jokes in the same segment here about
Ohio State and Michigan that we're going to move into
domestic violence because the murder tribe and dealing with all
week was filled with domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And if this.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Coach really was doing the kind of things he's being
accused of now, then shame on him and he deserves
whatever he gets, and shame on the University of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And if that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They ought to end up stroking a big check to
this lady to compensate her for the hell that this
coach has put her through. That they didn't put a
stop to or call the police or do whatever they
had to do because God forbid it mess up their
rivalry again.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yet they got the high State game coming up a
couple of days after Thanksgiving, so they had to keep
the lid on. The AD's got to go. Whoever knew
about it's got to go. I guess this woman's life
hung in the balance and she's talking the crap out
of her and had a baby. I think he paid
for the abortion. So in addition everything he did, he
killed his unborn baby through paying for it and page
(05:50):
pages in therapy. And Paige was a girlfriend of his wife.
He's thirty nine years old with three little girls. But
the Kelly More is the wife been married for ten
years of the head football coach you're on, and she
is a girlfriend of the paramore. What do you think
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about that one?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well, will you find out that the University of Michigan
really was sandbag and dragging their feet on doing something
about criminal behavior on behalf of their football coach just
so they could get through the misivalry game. I don't
think Michigan was ever going to make it to the
playoffs or get a bowl game or anything like that.
But if they really were not going to the police
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and trying to cover this up just so they could
beat Ohio State, then they ought to suspend the entire
dang football team, because that's just inexcusable behavior under any circumstance,
to put a victim of domestic.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Violence through even more violence and more trauma just for
a football game. I'm the biggest football fan as anybody.
That's no joking about it. That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Speaking of the DV, I mean, I mean this, Michigan
football ought to get the death penalty in the NCAA
will death death. Let let's talk about Mario pain talking
about DV. Explain what happened. You had a successful outcome.
By the way, on my birthday, December the eleventh, yesterday,
talk to me about Mario Paine. Tell the American people
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about him.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, Willie, happy birthday, by the way. I'm sorry that
I missed it. I'm sure it was a big show yesterday.
Everybody's singing happy birthdays to you and I know what
I told you earlier the week that this Mario Payne
trial was likely to run through your birthday. So unfortunately
I wasn't available yesterday for the big celebration.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I celebrated by convicting Mario Pain of murder and convincing
the jury and they agreed that he deserves a life
sentence for the murder of a young lady named Kiera Lane,
who was only twenty five years old back on January
sixth of twenty twenty four when Mario Pain gunned her down.
This is a young woman that had been engaged in
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a relationship with mister Paine, despite the fact that he
was apparently engaged in multiple relationships with multiple women had
kids with multiple women. But when Kiera Laine realized that
she was just being toyed with by Mario Pain and
he wasn't interested in a long standing relationship with her
being a husband and a father to their two children
like he should have been, she broke things off. She
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got a new boyfriend. One sad thing is the moment
that Miss Lane posted a photo of herself and this
new boyfriend to social media. Mario Pain apparently lost his
mind and started blowing up her phone, demanding to know
where she was, who she was with, what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
She had to silence her phone.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Through the night because he had called her so many times,
according to the witnesses at trial. But the next day
he changed his tactics. He called her and said, I
want to visit my kids. And Kiara wasn't the kind
of mother to keep the children away from their father,
no matter how big of a pain in the backside
he was to her, so she agreed to meet him
in a Kroger. But when they got the Kroger in Latonia,
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mister Payne changed his tune and said, no, I want
to keep the kids overnight. So she said, well, I
didn't like an overnight bag or a diaper bag for
the baby. Said we've got to go back to my
house and get that stuff, and they did, and when
they got back there, he started trying to talk himself inside.
She wouldn't let him inside, and she says, I'm not
interested in this. I've moved on. I've got a new boyfriend.
And when she went to literally close the front door
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of her house and closed the door on their relationship,
mister Payne produced a three eighty caliber handgun and shot
her four times at point blank range. This was in
front of numerous members of miss Lane's family, all who
were over at her residence at the time of her killing.
And he killed her right in front of her little
sister and within earshot of a number of different family
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members who were just up the stairs and came running
down to find Caroline taking her last breaths just inside
the front doorway of her residence. Mister Payne fled the
scene and Covington police put out. You know, it was
all hands on deck. Every detective and the crime bureau
got called out. They investigated the case. Detective Jim Lindman
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got a arrest warrant for mister Payne and he was
found five days later down in Louisville, Kentucky, and police
down there arrested him, shipped him back to us. Took
us two years to almost two years to get him
to trial because mister Payne was feigning mental illness and
claimed he was incompetent to stand trial. But the folks
that do the evaluations for the state did his psychiatric evaluation.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
He said, no, this guy's the joker. He's just faking.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
In fact, he's faking worse than anybody we've ever seen
trying fake mental incompetence to stand trial. So we finally
got him called the trial on Tuesday. Took us three
days to get the trial done.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
William. We celebrated your birthday.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Late last night, just after five o'clock with a life
sentence from the jury. And I look forward to mister
Payne's final sentencing in front of Judge Kathy late in
February of next year, when I anticipate she will impose
the jury sentence and send mister Payne off to Eddieville
at our state penitentiary for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
At least maybe longer after he's dead, keep him for
another year or two. I would point out to my
left a Michigan man, the judge in the case of
Sharon Moore, posted a allowed him to post upon a
twenty five thousand dollars which he's got in his front
right pocket for home invasion and a whole bunch of
other felonies along with misdemeanors. But nonetheless as far as
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mister Paine is concerned. And by the way, they've ordered
a mental evaluation for the head football coach of Michigan. Nonetheless,
we'll see what happens with that. So the probability of
this judge, who's a good judge in Kent County, Pain's
going to get the rest of his life in prison
at least. And how's the rest of how the kids
doing well?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The kids are being raised by their grandmother and by
the This is a pretty extended family lots here, had
lots of brothers and sisters, cousins.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
She is, her parents are split up.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
She's got a big family on both her mom's side
and her dance side that are all pitching in to
help raise her. Two babies that are now only two
and four years old. I'm not old enough to know
what happened to their mother. The older one I think
knows Mommy's in heaven, but that's about it. The younger,
youngest one is still too small, too tender of age,
to explain things too. But none of these kids realized
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that not only has mommy gone, but she was murdered
and our dad was their killer. It's just a horrible thing.
We talked about this a try. One of the reasons
mister Paine deserves a life sentence is because he robbed,
not just care of her life. But he robbed his
own children of their mother, and he's going to cause
his own children to be raised without a father in
the home because mister Payne will be locked in cage
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for the rest of his life. And rightfully so o.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Wet's see what happens down the road, and awfully said,
and they had football coach of Michigan could have done
the same thing as pain oh when he got into that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
In a really bad direction. There.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Everything that I've read in the media is through about
that case. Really, it's a good thing that they caught
up to him when they did.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, and murder suicide, you know, many times murder just
precedes suicide. He could easily have killed Paige, his girlfriend
who worked for him, and by the way her her
income doubled in the last year while he was having
sex with her. And then after a while she said,
I can't do this anymore. I just can't keep doing this.
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It's hurting you, hurting me. My friend is your wife,
and I can't keep doing this. And that's when the
stalking and other crimes committed, and Michigan authorities knew about
it but wanted a way too.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
After the Ohigh State game.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And so there's another lesson in this story, Willie.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's don't DoorDash your abortion drugs to your head football
coach's office. You know, if you're going to engage in
this kind of activity, which is bad enough that this
coach was doing, but definitely don't use door dash to
get your abortion drugs delivered to the head football office
at the University of.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Michigan unless your own. Morris transgender, I don't think he
had much need for abortion drugs. Maybe that was a
maybe that was a tip, a little queue right there.
Maybe something's. Of course the Michigan family knew about it
and did nothing than because of the big game coming up. Well,
we got to run Rob Sanders once again. Thanks for
coming on. You've been my most frequent guest this year.
(14:08):
You've been on fourteen times. Joe Dieters held that record
for a while, but now that he's got a muzzle
on him, you can't talk. You're the number one guest
this year, and I think number three things Rob. Number
one your knowledgeable, Number two, you have a great radio voice,
and number three you're accessible. You put those things to
three things together, substance, voice and accessibility.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You're number one in my book.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Well, Willie, it's been an honor and a pleasure. If
I'm not mistaken, I was your very first guest of
twenty twenty five when you came back from vacation from
your break. Yes, and I've got to be I guess
now one of your last ones. So it's been an honor,
a pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy Birthday to you, Bill,
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
To the People's Judge, to Tony Bender.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Seg, Rocky, DJ Hodge, all my friends at seven hundred WLW,
the number one fan of the Bill Cunningham Show, Ross
Fine and everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I hope you have a sing, happy and healthy new Year.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And I look forward Willie to hopefully talking to this
talking to you on your very first show.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And you will be. You will be. Let's run it back.
We're going to defend this title two years in a
row of the number one guest on the Bill cunning
End Show.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You'll be my first guest in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Rob, thank you very much, excellent Willy, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
God bless you. Let's continue with more. There's Rob Sanders,
Let's continue after two o'clock. Today is a report from
Puerto Rico about what's happening in Venezuela and Moore, Bill Cunningham,
News Radio seven hundred WLW
Billy Cunningham the Great America. After two o'clock today will
be Robert Sherman reporting live from Puerto Rico about Venezuela.
But until then, how many County I'm sorry, Kenton County
has just talked to Joe Eaters off the air. Kenton
County Prosecutor Rob Sanders is joining us now, and Rob
first of all. Joe Eaters call it in. I talked
to him off the air. Wants to wish you and
yours and merry Christmas and a happy New Year. How
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about that from Justice Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That's fantastic, Willie.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I haven't talked to Joe in a few days here,
but you know, it's been it's been nice.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've had Joe kind of vanished off the face.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Of the Europe a little while there when he first
hit the bench, but he's come back around and he's
given me a shout a few times here.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Recently. We've had a lot of.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Interest in things going on, things in the news, so
it's nice to be back in his company and catch
up with him and laugh and cry and debate and
carry on about all things new and politics and family
and everything else that Joe and I talk about. So
I'm glad he's catching up with you as well. But
by all means, Merry Christmas to the theater's family.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know, we have great breakfasts together. And I'll say this,
Justice Joe is Sharon Kennedy, the Chief Justice tells Joe
know your role and shut your mouth, and up until recently,
Joe Eaters has known his role in the black robe,
and he shut his mouth. At some point, though he
may come out. Is there a Justice Rob Sanders down
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the road.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Maybe if I get to be as old as Joe
is someday, if I live that long, Willie, my patience
will grow. But right now I have a really hard
time listening to other lawyers try cases. You know, I'm
a horrible supervisor when it comes to watching my attorneys
trycases because I don't like to.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Be in the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I get too cranky and two, I don't know, nervous
isn't really the right word. I just want to jump
in and do the case myself, so I know I
dropped my assistance crazy. Sometimes when I'm in the courtroom,
I just don't you know, I have a hard time
listen to the defense attorneys do their cases. I just
wanted to shut up, sit down, let's get this thing moving.
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So I don't know that I have the patience to
ever wear a black robe. I have great respect for
the people to do. Uh, but I'm I've never been
patience has never been one of my assets, Willie. And
I don't know that I've got the temperament to be
a patient judge like justice Chick.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, when you get as old as Joe me, you might.
But Sharon Kennedy, the chief, sent him a big note
in black letters, know your role and shut your mouth.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And Joe has said, yes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just gonna guess and say, given Joe's beautiful bride and
her temperament, that's probably not the first woman to.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Tell Joe that shut your mouth.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He probably come, you know, accustomed to it. And and
so I'm sure he took it in stride.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh yes, And we're gonna talk Mario Mario Pain. In
a moment.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, Breitbart, I'm watching Fox News and
I'm watching the hearing for the fired Michigan football coach
Sharon Moore, and I'm looking at him and it's coming
out now that the University of Michigan knew for months
that he was stalking a Michigan employee working for him
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as executive director of the head football coach. They knew
that Page was being victimized by their head football coach.
And this guy was making five last year, he made
eight million dollars for bonuses. Sharon more likely to make
eight million dollars this year. And now he's sitting in
a holding cell, having threatened to kill and or commit
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suicide break into the homes of Michigan employees. I can't
recall someone who's gone from a year ago beating the
Buckeyes at Ohio Stadium, taking the place of Harbaugh, who
went on the NFL fame, I guess. And now he's
sitting in a holding cell with a look on his
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eyes saying, what in the hell is going on around
this place? And now the University of Michigan, which has
ten or eleven assistant coaches, all of which have been disciplined,
the school's on probation for all the shooting they have
done in the past. Now they're head football coaches in
a white black uniform, sitting in a holding cell, nodding
his head, having threatened to kill, breaking the homes and
this is the football coach of the University of Michigan,
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the Mazon the Blue.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, really, it's just going to show you how crazy
intense the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is. And I'm not
a Michigan or an Ohio State fan, Frankly, I think
anybody who's not a fan of either one of those
programs just gets annoyed with the both of them. That's
the category I fall into. But if Michigan was truly
covering this up, yes until after the Ohio State game, yes,
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that they didn't have the distractions try and beat Ohio State,
that's just sick o. These Domestic violence is nothing to
screw around with, and it's you know, it's I hate
to even make jokes in the same segment here about
Ohio State and Michigan that we're going to move into
domestic violence because the murder tribe and dealing with all
week was filled with domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And if this.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Coach really was doing the kind of things he's being
accused of now, then shame on him and he deserves
whatever he gets, and shame on the University of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And if that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They ought to end up stroking a big check to
this lady to compensate her for the hell that this
coach has put her through. That they didn't put a
stop to or call the police or do whatever they
had to do because God forbid it mess up their
rivalry again.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yet they got the high State game coming up a
couple of days after Thanksgiving, so they had to keep
the lid on. The AD's got to go. Whoever knew
about it's got to go. I guess this woman's life
hung in the balance and she's talking the crap out
of her and had a baby. I think he paid
for the abortion. So in addition everything he did, he
killed his unborn baby through paying for it and page
(05:50):
pages in therapy. And Paige was a girlfriend of his wife.
He's thirty nine years old with three little girls. But
the Kelly More is the wife been married for ten
years of the head football coach you're on, and she
is a girlfriend of the paramore. What do you think
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about that one?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well, will you find out that the University of Michigan
really was sandbag and dragging their feet on doing something
about criminal behavior on behalf of their football coach just
so they could get through the misivalry game. I don't
think Michigan was ever going to make it to the
playoffs or get a bowl game or anything like that.
But if they really were not going to the police
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and trying to cover this up just so they could
beat Ohio State, then they ought to suspend the entire
dang football team, because that's just inexcusable behavior under any circumstance,
to put a victim of domestic.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Violence through even more violence and more trauma just for
a football game. I'm the biggest football fan as anybody.
That's no joking about it. That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Speaking of the DV, I mean, I mean this, Michigan
football ought to get the death penalty in the NCAA
will death death. Let let's talk about Mario pain talking
about DV. Explain what happened. You had a successful outcome.
By the way, on my birthday, December the eleventh, yesterday,
talk to me about Mario Paine. Tell the American people
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about him.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, Willie, happy birthday, by the way. I'm sorry that
I missed it. I'm sure it was a big show yesterday.
Everybody's singing happy birthdays to you and I know what
I told you earlier the week that this Mario Payne
trial was likely to run through your birthday. So unfortunately
I wasn't available yesterday for the big celebration.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I celebrated by convicting Mario Pain of murder and convincing
the jury and they agreed that he deserves a life
sentence for the murder of a young lady named Kiera Lane,
who was only twenty five years old back on January
sixth of twenty twenty four when Mario Pain gunned her down.
This is a young woman that had been engaged in
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a relationship with mister Paine, despite the fact that he
was apparently engaged in multiple relationships with multiple women had
kids with multiple women. But when Kiera Laine realized that
she was just being toyed with by Mario Pain and
he wasn't interested in a long standing relationship with her
being a husband and a father to their two children
like he should have been, she broke things off. She
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got a new boyfriend. One sad thing is the moment
that Miss Lane posted a photo of herself and this
new boyfriend to social media. Mario Pain apparently lost his
mind and started blowing up her phone, demanding to know
where she was, who she was with, what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
She had to silence her phone.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Through the night because he had called her so many times,
according to the witnesses at trial. But the next day
he changed his tactics. He called her and said, I
want to visit my kids. And Kiara wasn't the kind
of mother to keep the children away from their father,
no matter how big of a pain in the backside
he was to her, so she agreed to meet him
in a Kroger. But when they got the Kroger in Latonia,
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mister Payne changed his tune and said, no, I want
to keep the kids overnight. So she said, well, I
didn't like an overnight bag or a diaper bag for
the baby. Said we've got to go back to my
house and get that stuff, and they did, and when
they got back there, he started trying to talk himself inside.
She wouldn't let him inside, and she says, I'm not
interested in this. I've moved on. I've got a new boyfriend.
And when she went to literally close the front door
(09:18):
of her house and closed the door on their relationship,
mister Payne produced a three eighty caliber handgun and shot
her four times at point blank range. This was in
front of numerous members of miss Lane's family, all who
were over at her residence at the time of her killing.
And he killed her right in front of her little
sister and within earshot of a number of different family
(09:39):
members who were just up the stairs and came running
down to find Caroline taking her last breaths just inside
the front doorway of her residence. Mister Payne fled the
scene and Covington police put out. You know, it was
all hands on deck. Every detective and the crime bureau
got called out. They investigated the case. Detective Jim Lindman
(09:59):
got a arrest warrant for mister Payne and he was
found five days later down in Louisville, Kentucky, and police
down there arrested him, shipped him back to us. Took
us two years to almost two years to get him
to trial because mister Payne was feigning mental illness and
claimed he was incompetent to stand trial. But the folks
that do the evaluations for the state did his psychiatric evaluation.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
He said, no, this guy's the joker. He's just faking.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
In fact, he's faking worse than anybody we've ever seen
trying fake mental incompetence to stand trial. So we finally
got him called the trial on Tuesday. Took us three
days to get the trial done.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
William. We celebrated your birthday.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Late last night, just after five o'clock with a life
sentence from the jury. And I look forward to mister
Payne's final sentencing in front of Judge Kathy late in
February of next year, when I anticipate she will impose
the jury sentence and send mister Payne off to Eddieville
at our state penitentiary for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
At least maybe longer after he's dead, keep him for
another year or two. I would point out to my
left a Michigan man, the judge in the case of
Sharon Moore, posted a allowed him to post upon a
twenty five thousand dollars which he's got in his front
right pocket for home invasion and a whole bunch of
other felonies along with misdemeanors. But nonetheless as far as
(11:16):
mister Paine is concerned. And by the way, they've ordered
a mental evaluation for the head football coach of Michigan. Nonetheless,
we'll see what happens with that. So the probability of
this judge, who's a good judge in Kent County, Pain's
going to get the rest of his life in prison
at least. And how's the rest of how the kids
doing well?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The kids are being raised by their grandmother and by
the This is a pretty extended family lots here, had
lots of brothers and sisters, cousins.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
She is, her parents are split up.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
She's got a big family on both her mom's side
and her dance side that are all pitching in to
help raise her. Two babies that are now only two
and four years old. I'm not old enough to know
what happened to their mother. The older one I think
knows Mommy's in heaven, but that's about it. The younger,
youngest one is still too small, too tender of age,
to explain things too. But none of these kids realized
(12:13):
that not only has mommy gone, but she was murdered
and our dad was their killer. It's just a horrible thing.
We talked about this a try. One of the reasons
mister Paine deserves a life sentence is because he robbed,
not just care of her life. But he robbed his
own children of their mother, and he's going to cause
his own children to be raised without a father in
the home because mister Payne will be locked in cage
(12:35):
for the rest of his life. And rightfully so o.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Wet's see what happens down the road, and awfully said,
and they had football coach of Michigan could have done
the same thing as pain oh when he got into that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
In a really bad direction. There.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Everything that I've read in the media is through about
that case. Really, it's a good thing that they caught
up to him when they did.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, and murder suicide, you know, many times murder just
precedes suicide. He could easily have killed Paige, his girlfriend
who worked for him, and by the way her her
income doubled in the last year while he was having
sex with her. And then after a while she said,
I can't do this anymore. I just can't keep doing this.
(13:15):
It's hurting you, hurting me. My friend is your wife,
and I can't keep doing this. And that's when the
stalking and other crimes committed, and Michigan authorities knew about
it but wanted a way too.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
After the Ohigh State game.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And so there's another lesson in this story, Willie.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's don't DoorDash your abortion drugs to your head football
coach's office. You know, if you're going to engage in
this kind of activity, which is bad enough that this
coach was doing, but definitely don't use door dash to
get your abortion drugs delivered to the head football office
at the University of.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Michigan unless your own. Morris transgender, I don't think he
had much need for abortion drugs. Maybe that was a
maybe that was a tip, a little queue right there.
Maybe something's. Of course the Michigan family knew about it
and did nothing than because of the big game coming up. Well,
we got to run Rob Sanders once again. Thanks for
coming on. You've been my most frequent guest this year.
(14:08):
You've been on fourteen times. Joe Dieters held that record
for a while, but now that he's got a muzzle
on him, you can't talk. You're the number one guest
this year, and I think number three things Rob. Number
one your knowledgeable, Number two, you have a great radio voice,
and number three you're accessible. You put those things to
three things together, substance, voice and accessibility.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You're number one in my book.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Well, Willie, it's been an honor and a pleasure. If
I'm not mistaken, I was your very first guest of
twenty twenty five when you came back from vacation from
your break. Yes, and I've got to be I guess
now one of your last ones. So it's been an honor,
a pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy Birthday to you, Bill,
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
To the People's Judge, to Tony Bender.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Seg, Rocky, DJ Hodge, all my friends at seven hundred WLW,
the number one fan of the Bill Cunningham Show, Ross
Fine and everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I hope you have a sing, happy and healthy new Year.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And I look forward Willie to hopefully talking to this
talking to you on your very first show.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And you will be. You will be. Let's run it back.
We're going to defend this title two years in a
row of the number one guest on the Bill cunning
End Show.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You'll be my first guest in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Rob, thank you very much, excellent Willy, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
God bless you. Let's continue with more. There's Rob Sanders,
Let's continue after two o'clock. Today is a report from
Puerto Rico about what's happening in Venezuela and Moore, Bill Cunningham,
News Radio seven hundred WLW
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