December 12, 2025 • 76 mins
Willie attempts to find out why healthcare costs are so high from Beth Kyser. Also Commonwealth Attorney Rob Sanders explains how he got a conviction in the murder of Kierra Payne. Finally Robert Sherman explains the current state of foriegn policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bill Cunningham, the great American, of course. Right now the
Congress is debating, if that's what it's called, whether to
have more subsidies or less subsidies for Obamacare that controls
about seven or eight percent of the healthcare. The great
majority of us have healthcare through our employer, through VA,
through Medicare or Medicaid, and we don't have the Obamacare subsidies.
What you're going to skyrocket and they're going to be
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done with in about what about three weeks. People are
on the Obamacare were lied to in the beginning by
Obama who said that if you like your plan, keep
your plan, like your doctor, keep your doctor. But the
best part, Obama said would be that premiums will go
down on average by twenty five hundred dollars a year
and it would reduce the deficit. Now, I hate to
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go back in time for facts, but that's what Obama promised.
It didn't turn out that way, John, and you and
I now is a fine American, Beth Kaiser. She's the
senior vice president of the West Region for Anthem Blue
Crossing Blue Shield, one of the four or five largest
insurers in the world. And Beth Kaiser welcome, I think
for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And first of all, why are you doing this?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Because most of the time insurance company executives hide under
the covers.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Why are you doing this?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, Bill, I'm proud to be with you in Ohio today,
and I mean the reason we're doing this is at Anthem,
Blue Cross, and Blue Shield. If we don't manage these
unaffordable healthcare costs, it will become inaccessible healthcare and we
don't want that in Ohio. So we must have a
seat at the table with all the other stakeholders to
address this.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's a big question. Why is it unaffordable? Why are
there cost guy rocketing? How come we pay more for insurance,
more for medical care than any country in the world
and get less results.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, I said, there's a lot of factors in there,
but the ones that I know to be true for
Ohio is we have an aging population, we have increased
chronic conditions. You also mentioned and earlier about escalating costs.
We have escalating drug prices, we have provider consolidation, we
have fraud and abuse, and we have ongoing legislative changes
that you mentioned that also can draw that can increase costs.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Are you in the business of providing good healthcare to
Ohioans or in the business and making money?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Which is it?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We are in the business of trying to keep Ohioans healthy.
That is our mission and our vision is to improve
the health of humanity, and specifically they're in Ohio, so
that is our mission.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Are you involved with the Obamacare subsidies? Is that part
of what you do? Is the vice president there of Anthem.
Are you involved in Obamacare subsidies?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Were?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
We're involved in conversations at the local level and at
the federal level with these important discussions around subsidies and
making sure that individuals stay covered and have access to
affordable healthcare.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Why did the promises of what never happened?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, I wish I could speak to that, but I'm
not going to go there. We would, we'd probably be
here till Sunday. But what I will say what we're
doing about it at Anton, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
is we're looking at ways that we can help curb
the affordability crisis. And we're doing that through partnerships with
our providers, with our legislators, and for example, I'll give
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you an example of what we're doing in the hospital
space with out of network physicians. So in twenty twenty six,
we're implementing a policy with our hospital providers and partners
that impatient that will curb out of network specialists from
using in network.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Hospitals to build.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And so you say, well, what will that do if
you ask me that bill, What that will do is
that will actually encourage those out of network specialists to come.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
In network and will help lure the cost. So that's
good for our members, that's good for employers, that's good
for all.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We saw an editorial in the Inquirer a few days
ago from a doctor who spends He said, he's discussed
with the whole medical care industry. This is from a doctor,
and I know doctor friends of mine that have quit
in their sixties. They said they can't take it anymore
because they spend more time on paperwork than on meeting
with patients, and they have large numbers of people in
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their offices who deal with paperwork with insurance companies and
not with healthcare. How would you respond to that charge
from the physicians themselves that they spend too much time
on paperwork and not healthcare.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean that's where Bill, I mean, we all
talk about AI and the future and what data allows
us to do, and that's where I think the opportunity
to be more efficient with our hospitals in the way
that we share that data. And there's so much technology
that's improving and reducing the administrative burden that you mentioned
owned providers, and we're bringing that in many cases to
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those relationships, and it's important because we do want doctors
to be able to work top of license.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
As far as the Medicare for All, which was the
cry of Bernie Sanders, that is not something the insurance
companies would enjoy.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I would suspect.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Do you sense that if this problem is not fixed
in the next five to ten years, there will be
Medicare for all and in fact, the bills will be
sent to the US government with no incentive to hold
down the cost at all because it's a pass through,
and that insurance companies like yours may be out of
business because the middleman, which is the insurance company, will
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be taken out. I think in Western Europe there aren't
too many insurance companies. The building is done by the
governments of European countries and then they decide who gets
care who doesn't get care. If you go to Canada,
I think my Canadian friends tell me, if you want
a hip replacement, get in line.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It might be nine months to a year.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So in a sense, are you fighting for the survival
of insurance companies and not letting the government take over healthcare?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, i'd the privilege bill of working in Europe and
seeing how healthcare is handled there, and I'd say we have.
I mean, I'm very proud for where we're at.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
And the healthcare, the quality of healthcare that we get delivered.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So this is an affordability conversation. So I believe it's
up to us, and it's not just the payer. It's
got to be the provider that's at the table, legislators
and employers to make the changes that we need to address.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Exactly what you were.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Describing, and Beth describe to the American people living in Ohio,
Kentucky and Indiana, what is the European system? So if
my producer Tony Bender needs a hip replacement, he goes
to the doctor and stood Guard Germany, and his doctor
tells him, Tony Bender, you got.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
To get your hip replaced.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And then what happens to the hip right now in Cincinnati,
my sister.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Who was at a wedding and.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Her hip, her hips how we say, became displaced and
she saw a doctor that day and the hip was
popped back in. She has surgery scheduled next week. If
that happened in Stutgart, Germany, what would be what would
happen to my sister?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, I hope your sister was having fun before the
incident happens.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
But you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean, we have top quality care in the US
and we want to keep that. We just got to
make it affordable because what would have happened to your
sister potentially is she would have had to wait and
she would have had to struggle to navigate.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Inside their system.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So each system, as I've seen, has its own challenges,
But I want to address an anthem. Blue crossfu Shield
wants to address the challenges that we're seeing in Ohio,
and we want to do that head on.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So you're saying, am I right to say that if
you have a hip replacement, you have a pelvic fracture,
you have a broken foot, you have a cancer, you
want to get diagnosed for cancer, You need a heart valve,
and I want to thank doctor Dean Cariacus for my
heart valve that's working well. I got in immediately, got care.
Same thing for any person living that has insurance in Ohio.
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But if you're in the other systems indicate that the
government pays, the government sets the rules. And as a consequence,
is there greatly delayed care and other developed countries for
healthcare that doesn't happen in America?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I would say in the different countries that I worked in,
I saw differences in that, and so I can't speak
to each one, but the ones that I saw is
there were delays in some care, but there's also much
more focused than other some countries owned staying healthy and build.
That's something that we've got to talk more about. I
think in the past insurers have not been focused. We've
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been focused on paying claims, make sure we have high
quality providers and doing a lot of the administrative task,
and we haven't engaged in the whole health conversation. And
so that's why I'm proud to be at Anthem Blue
CROSSLEU Shield is because we're looking at individuals with whole
health and looking at how we keep people in Ohio
healthier earlier in life to prevent those issues, the issue
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of rising costs and for health and.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Beth Kaiser, there's three aspects of a person. I like
to think philosophically. Can you think with me philosophically?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
There's three aspects of a person's being. It's how you
perceive yourself. I think I look like Rinaldo. My wife
tells me I may not, but she says Christian and Romaldo.
I think I look great, I look healthy. That's one aspect.
That's how you view yourself now. The second aspect is
how other people view you. People may not view me
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as looking six foot two, one hundred and eighty pounds
like Ronaldo.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That may be.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And thirdly, reality do you have fixed in your mind?
How everach Americans view insurance companies because may I say, Beth,
it's not a positive Can you understand, how everage Americans
view not just your company, but all the insurance companies.
We don't view insurance companies in a positive way. In fact,
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you're as popular as an ascid. You're as popular as
shall I say, trial attorneys. You're as popular as used
car dealers. And so do you understand how unpopular insurance
companies are.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Absolutely, and that's the reason I think it's important for
us to be at the table to make sure all
understand what insurance looks like, what it means to be
self insured, if you weren't for an employer, that your
employers picking up, Like over eighty percent of employers.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Are self insured.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So if I ask for in costs five dollars or
cost five hundred dollars, that that's important to know that
that helps individuals become savvyer consumers of health care. And
so we've got to have a voice that's out there
addressing this crisis.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Which is unaffordable healthcare. Are you surprised we won't have access?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So we talked about access and what that means in
other countries.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
If you have twenty five if you have twenty five
to thirty million illegals using the healthcare system and pay nothing,
does not drive up costs for those of us who
pay well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I would say, are we going to if we're going
back to what I'm not an expert in that, so
I think I should stand that apart. But what I
will say is that the factors that I called out,
including those aging population the chronic conditions, the escalating These
are things that you and I can address and we
can work on in Ohio. The issues you were just describing,
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I'm going to lead to the people who are in
charge for that. I'm an expert in that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Bill I got.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I got one more big question. Are you ready for
a big question?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'm watching this morning, Chuck Schumer. Then I'm watching the
Republicans speak about healthcare. And if we continue simply the
government and the rest of us indirectly paying the healthcare
subsidies for the next three years under Obamacare, in other words,
keep the same system, keep paying the subsidies. Does that
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have any impact whatsoever and lowering healthcare cost if we
simply keep the same system and pay more for it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Can you answer that question?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So, I would say, what's important to us is to
make sure individuals have an off ramp if they're coming
off a subsiday, and that individuals our members stay covered
in some capacity. And so that's the reason in Ohio
we offer a variety of products that allow individuals to
have something that they can have access to, and then
addressing unaffordability that will allow it to be more affordable
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for individuals who may be coming off of those subsidies
in the future.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Do you have any questions to work closely with that?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Do you have any questions for me? Go ahead?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well no, I was just gonna say, Bill, but you know,
one of the things that we have to appreciate is
as those individuals come off of subsidies, we do not
want our healthcare partners to be for their emergency rooms
to be clogged, to be.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Backed up right.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
We want to have an offer amp that allows those
individuals to have access to care, but not the most
expensive form of care when it's not needed or warranted.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Do you have any questions for me?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I've been asking you questions now, Bill, Sports, Politics, World Capital.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
No, You've had a bunch of great questions.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
The biggest thing I would just like to encourage your
viewers and your listeners to go to our website www.
Dot Anthem dot com, forward slash Affordability in Ohio and
let us know how they feel, as well as access
the tools that we have for them and the resources
that we have for them there.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I want to thank you for having the guts. I
want to thank you for having the guts to come on.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Thank you, Bill, God bless me.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I'm a wonderful weekend and happy holidays to you.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, God bless America, Marry Christmas. Beth Kaiser,
thank you, thank you all all. Let's continue with more
news coming up after my comments. A News Radio seven
hundred WLW. All right, now, here's the Great American and
here we go and broadcast Suprebity. After one o'clock today,
we're going to have on the Rob Sanders, Kent County
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prosecutor had a big win yesterday in a murder case.
After two o'clock today we'll be Robert Sherman like in
the tank, who's going to report live from Puerto Rico
about what's happening in Venezuela and so much more. But
until then, for those who closely, I try to get
different viewpoints so that you can get a well rounded
display of different arguments on important issues. And one of
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them is medical insurance costs. All of us have a
human body, at least those of us who are alive,
and all of us have need at some point for
medical services of one type or another. And as you
get older, you have more need for more medical services.
Who's cost our confiscatory, and so I have concerned about
where we're headed when it comes to these medical expenses
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that are skyrocketing. At the end of the day, is
going to be government sponsored healthcare, much like the DMV.
So Beth Kaiser seems like a well intended woman working
for a Blue Cross Blue Shield. She's the executive vice
president in charge. Just heard from her. The goal of
the insurance companies sold on New York Stock Exchange. The
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number one goal is to make money. The number one
goal is to have a high return to the investors
who buy the stock. The number one goal is to double, triple,
or quadruple the amount of money you make for the
next year. The number one goal is not patient healthcare.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They want to do both.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
They want to have a great profit on one hand,
they also want to have as much care as possible
in the other.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I understand that the whole system is set up in
such a way in which insurance companies are motivated to
make money and the government is there to more us
to play at play the role as the referee, except
when they sponsor healthcare, which is like at the VA.
So Beth Kaiser is a well intended person, but her
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goal in life is to make money, and her goal
in life is to have a return to the investors.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Her goal in life is to make her bonus. Her
goal in life is dividends.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That is to make money, which is why thirty to
forty percent of health client claims are turned down go
through an appellate process.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Good luck with that. It's not going to work.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
In the best world we could have, the Republicans and
the Democrats would get together, not play cheap political games
as Chuck Schumer is doing mainly the Democrats, and say
how do we keep the system we have, which is
the best in the world, and lower the cost of
the system. Because every doc I speak to, every hospital
I speak to tell me they spend more time on
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paperwork than they spend often on healthcare, which is what
they're in the business of doing.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
So.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
The Obamacare subsidies are a perfect example of what should happen,
what could happen, but will not happen. The average American
once their medical bills paid forthright and pay as little
as possible and get the best care imaginable. That is
not happening right now in America and is not happening.
Guess what anywhere in the world. I try to penter
down on the fact that in Europe they have government
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sponsored healthcare, but to get health care is in many
months or many years process. It isn't like in our
system you walk into an er and there's a possibility
within a week or two you may get care. I
use my sister having her hip go out at a
wedding at Santex Church all of a sudden, but within
six hours it's popped back in functioning and surgery is
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scheduled to replace the hip. That doesn't happen in Germany
or Holland or England, or it doesn't happen that way.
So what the arguments about now with the so called
Obama healthcare because it has failed miserably, and the news
media in this country, bought and paid for by the Democrats,
are not going to tell you the truth about Obamacare.
It was designed to fail because when government pays the bills,
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there's no incentive to hold down cost and improve the care.
The government is issuing a check to the insurance companies,
whether it's United or Anthem or Kaiser, Blue Blue Shield.
Their goal in life is to make money, maximized shareholder
value Secondarily, if they provide some good benefits along the way,
that's good too, right, It doesn't work that way. All
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the credits will do is to kick the can down
the road for three years, double a triple the cost
of medical care that will be paid for by the
tax prayer with Here's the goal, the long term goal.
Mark my words. I may not be with you in
five or ten years, but this is what's going to happen.
The American people will be so fed up with the
medical insurance companies, so fed up with hospital care costs,
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so fed up with their doctors spending time on paperwork
and not healthcare. The American people will say, to hell
with all the insurance companies. Get rid of United and
Anthem and Kaiser Blue costs, but get rid of all
of them and give the responsibility of health and human
services to care for We're going to have a one
payer system, much like Europe, much like most parts of
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the world. The government provides you healthcare, the insurance companies
are gone, and the cost then will really skyrocket. There'll
be no motivation whatsoever to hold down any cost. The
government's going to write a check of trillions of dollars
every year right now, the cost of health care in
America is about one sixth of the entire economy, which
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is about three trillion dollars a year, largely borne by
the insurance companies and by employees working for employers that
have eighty percent of the coverage is provided through work,
and the employers are motivated to hold down the expenses because,
after all, they're paying the bill. When the government pays
the bill, there's no incentive to hold down the expense.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
So down the.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Road, whether it's whether it's phones or whether it's television
sets or whatever. When these fancy sets came out about
twenty years ago, it was like ten thousand dollars for
a set.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Now it's down there about three hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Competition works, and healthcare doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And so we're going to have.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
In the next five to ten to fifteen years, the
government will seize control of the medical insurance industry, the hospitals,
the pharmacies, the medical schools, et cetera. And it'll be
a huge enterprise which will provide worse care and less
results to the American people. And it's set up to fail.
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When Chuck Schuman, the Democrats say simply supply three more
years of subsidized credits on health insurance. That will incentivize
the whole system to charge more because the government's paying
the bill. The stock of insurance companies have gone up
three hundred percent, and the amount of care to average
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Americans has gone down. You're in the network, you're out
of the network. Remember the remember Obama standing up, You
like your doctor and keep your doctor, like your like
your plan, keep your plan. Insurance premiums down twenty five
hundred dollars a year on average, and it's going to
reduce the deficit.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Of course it didn't. It lied.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
All Obama did during his presidency was basically lie. And
now the chickens have come home to roost about ten
or fifteen years later, and the pass through to the
government by insurance companies has caused a three hundred percent
increase in the bills. And now who's going to pay
the bill or The Democrats want to convince you that
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they have the solution. So when the election takes place
in the midterm, they want to ride this horse all
the way to electoral victory and the government will seize
more control of your healthcare, providing less care less efficiency
out of higher cost, which is the way things always
work when the government's involved. And so Democrats say, well,
let's pay all the cost of this eight percent of
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the population on Obamacare. Let's pay all the cost and
we'll just simply pass it on to the American people
and the former increased taxes. And the Republicans say, now,
wait a minute, can we bring into the same forces
that will hold down the expenses of gasoline and television
sets and clothing and food, bring those same systems in
place to healthcare going up ten to fifteen percent every year.
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And the Democrats won't let them do it. And most
of the American people that involves you and me, say
to each other, you know what, we don't fully understand this.
We don't use the healthcare system until it's an emergency
or a crisis, don't use until someone gets old. So
what we're going to do is turn over to the
government the ability of determining who gets operations, who doesn't,
who can see a doctor who doesn't. When I ask
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Beth Kaiser, isn't it true that of twenty to thirty
million legals use the healthcare system and pay nothing for it.
That's going to drive up expenses, drive up costs. She
didn't answer the question when I said to her that,
you know what if we simply extend the Obamacare subsistance
and credits for three more years without affecting whatsoever the
actual cost of the medical care.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Isn't that a bad idea? She couldn't answer the question.
That's not.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Her goal in life is to return shareholder value, and
your goal in life is to get good medical care
at a reasonable cost.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And the two shall ever meet. So that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Beth Kaiser, I'm sure as an ice lady, and she
had her pat answers for any question I asked, it
was right there, try it, and she understands that. As
far as the most despicable persons in America, at the
bottom of the list are insurance companies, lawyers and use
carson and politicians. I think the approval rating of the
Democrats in the Congress is eight percent and approval ratings
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of the Republicans are twelve percent. You can't get ninety
percent of people to agree on anything. But we know
we don't like medical insurance companies, we don't like lawyers,
we don't like used car dealers, and we shure us out.
Don't like government officials who will use this opportunity. Never
let a crisis go to waste. Just seize more control
of the American economy. Long term, that'll be a disaster.
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But of course, having thirty million people use the medical
system and pay nothing into it is going to rise
the cost of those who do pay.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Does that make sense to you? Now, let's continue. We
never stop, We simply continue.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But I give Beth Kaiser credit for coming on, and
she spoke from a perspective of Blue Cross Blue Shield,
and the interests of Blue Cross and Blue Shield financially
are not necessarily the interest of individual Americans who need healthcare.
Let's continue, and coming up after one o'clock will be
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the Great rob Sanders. After two o'clock is Robert Sherman
of News Nation live from Puerto Rico about Venezuela, all
on News Radio seven hundred WLWY. Billy Cunningham, the Great America.
After two o'clock today will be Robert Sherman reporting live
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from Puerto Rico about Venezuela. But until then, Hamny County,
I'm sorry, Kent County has just talked to Joe Eaters
off the air. Kenton County Prosecutor Rob Sanders is joining
us now, and Rob first of all, Joe Eaters call
it in. I talked to him off the air. Wants
to wish you and yours and merry Christmas and the
happy New Year. How about that from Justice Joe.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
That's fantastic, Willie. I haven't talked to Joe in a
few days here, but you know, it's it's been nice.
I've had Joe kind of vanished off the face of
the Europe. He did a little while there when he
first hit the bench, but he's come back around and
he's given me a shout a few times here. Recently.
We've had a lot of interest in things going on,
things in the news. So it's nice to be back
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in his company and catch up with him and laugh
and cry and debate and carry on about all things
news and politics and family and everything else that Joe
and I talk about. So I'm glad he's catching up
with you as well. But by all means, Merry Christmas
to the Beaters family.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know we have great breakfasts together. And I'll say this,
Justice Joe is Sharon Kennedy, the Chief Justice, tells Joe
know your role and shut your mouth and up until recently,
Joe Eaters has known his role in the black robe,
and he shut his mouth at some point, though he
may come out. Is there a justice Rob Sanders down
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the road.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I don't know. Maybe if I get to be as
old as Joe is someday, if I live that long, Willie,
my patience will grow. But right now I have a
really hard time listening to other lawyers try cases. You know,
I'm a horrible supervisor when it comes to watching my
attorneys trycases because I don't like to be in the courtroom.
I get too too cranky and two, I don't know,
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nervous isn't really the right word. I just want to
jump in and do the case myself. So I know
I dropped my assistance crazy. Sometimes when I'm in the courtroom,
I just don't you know, I have a hard time
to listen to the defense attorneys do their cases. I
just wanted to shut up, sit down, let's get this
thing moving. So I don't know that I have the
patience to ever wear a black robe. I have great
respect for the people to do, but I've never been
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Patience has never been one of my assets. Willie, and
I don't know that I've got the temperament to be
a patient judge like Justice Jill.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, when you get as old as Joe me, you might.
But Sharon Kennedy, the chief, sent him a big note
in black letters, know your role and shut your mouth.
And Joe has said, yes.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I'm just gonna guess and say, given Joe's beautiful bride
and her temperament, that's probably not the first woman to
tell Joe that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
You.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Yeah, he probably come, you know, accustomed to it, and
so I'm sure he took it in strat Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yes, and we're gonna talk Mario Pain in a moment.
I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, Breitbart. I'm watching Fox News and
I'm watching the hearing for the fired Michigan football coach,
Sharon Moore, and I'm looking at him, and it's coming
out now that the University of Michigan knew for months
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that he was stalking a Michigan employee working for him
as executive director of the head football coach. They knew
that Page was being victimized by their head football coach.
And this guy was making five last year, he made
eight million dollars for bonuses. Sharon more likely to make
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eight million dollars this year. And now he's sitting in
a holding cell, having threatened to kill and a commit
suicide break into the homes of Michigan employees. I can't
recall someone who's gone from a year ago beating the
Buckeyes at Ohio Stadium, taking the place of Harball who
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went on the NFL fame, I guess. And now he's
sitting in a holding cell with a look in his
eyes saying, what in the hell is going on around
this place? And now the University of Michigan, which has
ten or eleven assistant coaches, all of which have been disciplined,
the school's on probation for all the shooting they had
done in the past. Now they're head football coaches in
a white black uniform, sitting in a holding cell, nodding
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his head, having threatened to kill, breaking the homes. And
this is the football coach of the University of Michigan.
The maze in the blue. What do you think about that?
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well, Willly, it's just going to show you how crazy
intense the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is. And I'm not
a Michigan or an Ohio State fan, Frankly, I think
anybody who's not a fan of either one of those
programs just gets annoyed with the both of them. That's
the category I fall into. But if Michigan was truly
covering this up, yes until after the Ohio State game,
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Yes they didn't have to traction try and betoate. That's
just sick. Oh He's domestic violence is nothing to screw
around with. And it's you know, it's I hate to
even make jokes in the same segment here about Ohio
State and Michigan that we're going to move into domestic
violence because the murder tribe and dealing with all week
was filled with domestic violence. And if this coach really
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was doing the kind of things he's being accused of now,
then shame on him and he deserves whatever he gets,
and shame on the University of Michigan. And if that's true,
they ought to end up stroking a big check to
this lady to compensate her for the hell that this
coach has put her through. That they didn't put a
stop to or call the police or do whatever they
had to do because God forbid it mess up their rivalry.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Gain day thought they got their high state game coming
up a couple of days after Thanksgimming, so they had
to keep the lid on. The AD's got to go.
Whoever knew about it's got to go. I guess this
woman's life hung in the balance, and she's talking the
crap out of her and had a baby. I think
he paid for the abortion. So in addition everything he did,
he killed his own born baby through paying for it.
(30:02):
And page is pages in therapy. And Paige was a
girlfriend of his wife. He's thirty nine years old with
three little girls. But the Kelly More is the wife
been married for ten years of the head football coach
you're on, and she is a girlfriend of the paramore.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
What do you think about that one?
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Well, Willie to find out that the University of Michigan
really was sandbag and dragging their feet on doing something
about criminal behavior on behalf of their football coach just
so they could get through the Missivalry game. I don't
think Michigan was ever going to make the playoffs or
get a bowl game or anything like that. But if
they really were not going to the police and trying
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to cover this up just so they could beat Ohio State,
then they ought to suspend the entire dang football team,
because that's just inexcusable behavior under any circumstance to put
a victim of domestic violence through even more violence and
more trauma just for a football game. I'm the biggest
football fan. It's anybody that's no joking matter, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Speaking of the DV, I mean, I mean this Michigan
football out to get the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
The NCAA will yeah, death penalty.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Death.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Let let's talk about Mario Paine talking about DV. Explain
what happened. You had a successful outcome. By the way,
on my birthday, December the eleventh, yesterday, talk to me
about Mario Paine. Tell the American people about him.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Well, Willie, Happy birthday, by the way. I'm sorry that
I missed it. I'm sure it was a big show yesterday.
Everybody's being a Happy birthday's to you. And I know
what I told you earlier the week that this Mario
Payne trial was likely to run through your birthday. So
unfortunately I wasn't available yesterday for the big celebration. But
happy birthday. I celebrated by convicting Mario Paine of murder
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and convincing the jury and they agreed that he deserves
a life sentence for the murder of a young lady
named Kiera Lane, who was only twenty five years old
back on January sixth, twenty twenty four, when Mario Pain
gunned her down. This is a young woman that had
been engaged in a relationship with mister Pain, despite the
fact that he was apparently engaged in multiple relationships with
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multiple women had kids with multiple women. But when Kiara
Laine realized that she was just being toyed with by
Mario Pain and he wasn't interested in a long standing
relationship with her being a husband and a father to
their two children like he should have been, she broke
things off. She got a new boyfriend. Well sad thing
is the moment that Miss Lane posted a photo of
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herself and this new boyfriend to social media. Mario Pain
apparently lost his mind and started blowing up her phone,
demanding to know where she was, who she was with,
what she was doing. She had to silence her phone
through the night because he had called her so many times,
according to the witnesses a trial. But the next day
he changed his tactics. He called her and said I
(32:54):
want to visit my kids, and Kiara wasn't the kind
of mother to keep the children away from their father,
no matter how big of a pain in the backside
he was to her, so she agreed to meet him
in a Kroger. But when they got the Kroger in Latonia,
mister Payne changed his tune and said, no, I want
to keep the kids overnight. So she said, well, I
didn't pack an overnight bag or a diaper bag for
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the baby. Said we've got to go back to my
house and get that stuff, and they did, and when
they got back there, he started trying to talk himself inside.
She wouldn't let him inside, and she says, I'm not
interested in this. I've moved on. I've got a new boyfriend.
And when she went to literally close the front door
of her house and closed the door on their relationship,
mister Payne produced a three eighty caliber handgun and shot
(33:37):
her four times at point blank range. This was in
front of numerous members of miss Lane's family, all who
were over at her residence at the time of her killing,
and he killed her right in front of her little
sister and with an earshot of a number of different
family members who were just up the stairs and came
running down to find Caroline taking her last breaths just
(33:58):
inside the front doorway of her RESI. Mister Payne fled
the scene and Covington police put out. You know, it
was all hands on deck. Every detective in the crime
bureau got called out. They investigated the case. Detective Jim
Lindeman got an arrest warrant for mister Payne and he
was found five days later down in Louisville, Kentucky, and
police down there arrested him, shipped him back to us.
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Took us two years, almost two years to get him
to trial because mister Payne was feigning mental illness and
claimed he wasn't competent to stand trial. But the folks
that do the evaluations for the state did his psychiatric evaluation.
He said, now this guy's the joker. He's just faking.
In fact, he's faking worse than anybody we've ever seen
trying fake mental incompetence to stand trial. So we finally
(34:42):
got him called the trial on Tuesday. Took us three
days to get the trial done. Willie, and we celebrated
your birthday late last night, just after five o'clock with
a life sentence from the jury, and I look forward
to mister Payne's final sentencing in front of Judge Kathy
late in February of next year. I anticipate she will
impose the jury sentence and send mister Payne off to
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Eddieville at our state penitentiary for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
At least, maybe longer after he's dead, keep him for
another year or two. I would point out to my left,
a Michigan man, the judge in the case of Sharon
Moore posted a allowed him to post upon a twenty
five thousand dollars which he's got in his front right
pocket for home invasion and a whole bunch of other
felonies along with misdemeanors. But nonetheless, as far as mister
(35:28):
pain is concerned, and by the way, they've ordered a
mental evaluation for the head football coach of Michigan. Nonetheless,
we'll see what happens with that. So the probability of
this judge, who's a good judge in Kenton County, Payne's
going to get the rest of his life in prison
at least. And how's the rest of how the kid's doing?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Well? The kids are being raised by their grandmother and
by the This is a pretty extended family lots here,
had lots of brothers and sisters, cousins. She is, her
parents are split up. She's got a big family on
both her mom's side and her dances side that are
all pitching in to help raise her. Two babies that
are now only two and four years old, not old
(36:12):
enough to know what happened to their mother. The older
one I think knows Mommy's in heaven, but that's about it.
The younger, youngest one is still too small, too tender
of age, to explain things too. But none of these
kids realized that not only has mommy gone, but she
was murdered and our dad was their killer. It's just
a horrible thing. We talked about this to try. One
(36:33):
of the reasons mister Payne deserves a life sentence is
because he robbed not just care of her life, but
he robbed his own children of their mother. And he's
going to cause his own children to be raised without
a father in the home. Because mister Payne will be
locked in cage for the rest of his life, and
rightfully so.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Olet's see what happens down the road and awfully said,
and the head football coach of Michigan could have done
the same thing as Paints.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Said, in a really bad direction. There everything that I've
read in the media is through about that case. Willy.
It's a good thing that they caught up to him
when they did.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and murder suicide. You know, many times murder just
precedes suicide. He could easily have killed Paige, his girlfriend
who worked for him, and by the way, her income
doubled in the last year while he was having sex
with her. And then after a while she said, I
can't do this anymore. I just can't keep doing this.
(37:28):
It's hurting you, hurting me. My friend is your wife,
and I can't keep doing this. And that's when the
stalking and other crimes committed, and Michigan authorities knew about
it but wanted a way to after the Ohigh State game.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
And so there's another lesson in this story, Willy. It's
don't DoorDash your abortion drugs to your head football coach's office.
You know, if you're going to engage in this kind
of activity, which is bad enough that this coach was doing,
but definitely don't use door dash to get your abortion
drugs delivered to the head football office at the University
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Unless Jeron Morris transgender, I don't think he had much
need for abortion drugs. Maybe that was a Maybe that
was a tip, a little queue right there. Maybe something's
Of course, the Michigan family knew about it and did
nothing because of the big game coming up. Well, we
got to run Rob Sanders once again. Thanks for coming on.
You've been my most frequent guest this year. You've been
(38:20):
on fourteen times. Joe Dieters held that record for a while,
but now that he's got a muzzle on him, he
can't talk. You're the number one guest this year, and
I think number three things Rob. Number one, your knowledgeable,
Number two, you have a great radio voice, and number
three you're accessible. You put those things to three things together, substance,
voice and accessibility. You're number one in my book.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
Well, Willie, it's been an honor and a pleasure. If
I'm not mistaken, I was your very first guest of
twenty twenty five when you came back from vacation from
your break. Yes, and I've got to be I guess
now one of your last ones. So it's been an honor,
a pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy Birthday to you, Bill,
Marry Christmas, to the People's Judge, to Tony Bender, Seg,
Rocky DJ Hodge, all my friends at seven hundred WLW,
(39:07):
the number one fan of the Bill Cunningham Show, Ross
Fine and everybody. I hope you have a safe, happy
and healthy New Year. And I look forward Willie to
hopefully talking to yes, talking to you on your very
first show, and.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
You will be, you will be.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Let's run it back. We're gonna defend this title two
years in a row of the number one guest on
the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
You you'll be my first guest in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Rob, thank you very much, excellent Willie, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
God bless you. Let's continue with more. There's Rob Sanders.
Let's continue after two o'clock. Today is a report from
Puerto Rico about what's happening in Venezuela and Moore. Bill
Cunningham News Radio, seven hundred WULW, brot Row.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm very serious, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
I hope you don't pass judgment because we don't know
the facts of the case.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
We don't know the whole story.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I'm just glad everyone and this is all right, and there's
no acting that no one is injured, because it could
have been a lot worse. It was very serious issue.
Early tonight, around five o'clock, Bill Cunningham was in an
action involving another vehicle, even though he didn't I'm reading
the news account here, even though he didn't cause the accident.
He was given a field sobriety test and Bill Cunningham
failed that field sobriety test. He was also given a
(40:20):
blood test. No word on the result of that test.
End of statement. Very serious charge, serious accusation. I'm glad
that no one was injured in this thing. No word
comments from Steven R. Adams if that's indeed who was
involved in this thing with representation, But just wanted you
(40:42):
to have that story before the news came out, before
the smear campaigns began. Everyone makes mistakes and I'll just
leave it at that. Our thoughts and prayers though with
mister Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Hello, quiet, I'm broadcasting the right the remains silent.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Anything I can we'll be using against me in a
qrrel By the way, at five o'clock yesterday I was
on the air, by the way, with the rock and
with Eddie, one might ask that question, thank you. The
truth never gets in the way of a story by
Scott Sloan. Not fore it's not an impediment. Correct the
two thousand, By the way, Steven R. Adams is dead.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yes, God bless him.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Nonetheless, he was killed tragically by a person who is
now serving a serious time in state prisoner is warrible.
You refuse to comment, say no to the po po Well,
well he was killed, really murdered, I thought by a vehicle.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
But that's the difference. I love Steven R. Adams, loved him.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You refuse to talk about Michigan football. Should they get
the death penalty? Yes, the death penalty? Man, who's going
to give it to him? There's no NCAA, there's no group.
Well do you think the Big ten's going to say
you're done? I would I would too, What did your own?
Speaker 6 (42:09):
More?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And now he's out on bond. He had a Michigan
man as the judge. Yeah, no, kidding, too bad.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
The guy didn't go to Michigan State to get a
life in prison in the electric chair.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And so I explained everything that happened and honed it
and you know, just stupid.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
He's an expert on lap dancing.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I'm turned will he the stude reporters of proud service,
every local teme star heating in conditioning dealers tame star quality.
You could feel in southeastern Indiana called Joe x Stein
at x Stein Heating and Cooling at eight one, two, nine,
three to two, twenty twenty six and your coach your
own more. Will He abruptly fired this week charge Friday
(42:49):
with three crimes, including home invasion, well stalking a person
he dated.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
He spent the last two nights in jail. I bet
uh and uh.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Let's see fired for at the school called an inappropriate
relationship with a staff.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Member and abortion drugs delivered. It was went to and we.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Went to the ladies house with a knife. Yeah, broke in.
So he's out on twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
He's got the ankle monitor on.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Talk to Mordecai Black Patrick Detratcher about those things. Yeah,
college basketball, Zavier is going to close out the non
conference play tonight william against Missouri State at six thirty
on seven hundred WLW. You are sick tomorrow, Cincinnati Bear
Caps in Georgia. One thirty here on seven hundred WLW
What doubleheader on ESPN fifteen thirty the home of Tony Pike?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Is he still here?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
One thirty at NKU and Bellerman in Indiana and Kentucky
at six nine oh no, Miami takes on Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
You're out of your mind.
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Or in northern Kentucky. I don't know where they are.
Thirteen locations there.
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Speaker 2 (44:01):
What can you tell me about you?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
And a certain attractive WBN morning co host Sarah Elise Nothing?
Have you had abortion drugs delivered in your office? No?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
No, you're sure? Yeah? Okay, go ahead. T Higgins out
for Sunday than concussion protocol. I think that's what I have.
Shamar Stewart is doubtful. What he's not playing again?
Speaker 5 (44:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
What's he goin? Who picked this out? Twenty twenty seven?
Are you serious? He'll come back in twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
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It'll be big with starts still not playing.
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Live at the Holy Grail. Didn't he hold off his one?
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He wanted the language right in this country, so made
millions more right.
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And he can't play.
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Bruce Kazerski Heisman Trophy. It's gonna be awarded tomorrow night.
(45:14):
About Indiana, Well, I think Fernando Mendoza. Can we call
him Fernando Tatis? I love that name. You know they
may trade him the quarterback of Indiana. No, the Padres Padres?
What if he comes here? Start that rumor? I don't
believe it when I see it. Kyle Schwarber back to
(45:35):
the field, quarterback Mina coming to Bengals. Is that what
you're saying? Yeah, yeah, Fernando Tatis, speaking of the red
single game tickets for their spring training home games now
on sale can't wait at reds dot com slash Spring.
I'm just saying that, if you're a mission, should they
get the death penalty for this Michigan football?
Speaker 2 (45:55):
What does the weed man say? Where's Tom Weiedman? Can?
He can't find him? He's under the cover, he's in
the bunker.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
They got eleven coaches have been disciplined crimes Dave, Dave,
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
He went to Syracuse, Dave, Were you sure?
Speaker 6 (46:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
He's not sure? Okay, did you mean yes or no?
By saying yes, Wait a minute, yes, yes, no, maybe
yes no? Maybe? What is it? No or yes?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
What kind of shape did Jim Harbaugh leave Michigan. That's
the only guy that's Scott Free. I know he's in
LA right now, living on a beach in a motor home.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Should they give the death penalty? They give the death penalty. Yes,
they didn't do anything. They've done a lot, but they
haven't been caught yet. Lear's prime market. That brings our lunch.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
I plan to grow from this, and I'm sincerely saddened
by the fact that I let some people down and
didn't do things as well as I could possibly do.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
It's a Lieutenant Governor Deluxe Delhi located in beautiful downtown Milford.
Lee's Lears Prime all dot com. Lear's Prime always a
cut above. By the way, Hamny County Prosecutor County Pillage
is dropping the case of the murderer Elwood Jones. We're
gonna have on, Joe Dieters tells me, despite the order
of the Chief Justice Sharon Kennedy, who says to Joe,
(47:17):
know your role and shut your mouth. According to some
Joe Dieters will come on Monday to talk about Elwood Jones,
the prosecutor, and also Mark Petemeyer how he murdered that
woman wrote there in a blue ash motel and got
out of it. So are you willing to well, Joe
Deeters have the guts to come on Justice Joe on Monday.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
You kidney, he'd be on every day if he would.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
What does Sharon Kennedy say, know your role and shut
your mouth. Oh, she's the Chief Justice. I would say
that she's telling the calm down Joe. He's like the
Tony Bender of the Supreme Court or around here. Elwood
Jones a murder. Tony Bender tells you not to do nothing.
Judge in Hamliny County gave him an O R bomb
off death throw.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Does that go to bed? By the way, have you
had any abortion? You have a lawyer? What do I know?
I don't like that. Have you had abortion drugs? You
refuse to answer the national Have you had abortion drugs?
Speaker 6 (48:08):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Sent to your office? No, like they had football coach
in Michigan. Hell, have you have you gotten pills?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I would never have an abortion, By the way, I
would never pay for an abortion.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I'd never counsel. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Abortion is killing babies, correct, I'm kind of against that.
I would say football coach in Michigan. Should Michigan you know,
I answer the question, should they get the death penalty?
Should they get rid of Michigan football completely?
Speaker 2 (48:33):
What do you say? Yes?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Me too, I'd say five years because there's just like
smu ever since Harball left, seven or eight people have
gotten in trouble out. Yeah, and that that was part
of that program. But only one's going to and he's
and he's in a win of bago on Laguna Luna,
Laguna Seca beach out there in California near Cape Coral.
I have a double wine. I like a double wine.
(48:56):
Nothing wrong with a double wife. I said, it's it's now,
get me out of the stud's report. After one o'clock
we have a live report from Puerto Rico about Puerto
Ricans and Venezuelans coming to America.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
We're going to war with them, aren't we. I have
no idea.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Willie and I have a beautiful day, but a warning
winter storm warning for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Michigan football the death penalty. We leave you with the
immortal words of the stood report. We've all made out
with each other? Have you made out with Sarah? Just
nout at you? Are you sure we've all made out
with each other?
Speaker 6 (49:32):
Her a liar?
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, I want to say that again.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yes, there's rumors ablaze, most like really need a spanking?
Speaker 2 (49:43):
You want to spanky?
Speaker 4 (49:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
She said you have you broken into any lover's homes
recently with a knife?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I haven't you. Let me think seven hundred W.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
L W.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Every day I get up,
there's a new crisis somewhere in the world. This is
on top of the problems here at home, and news
nation is following all of it. And Robert Sherman is
the News Nation foreign correspondent. He's reported from Ukraine, from Israel.
Now he's in Puerto Rico keeping an eye in Venezuela.
(50:22):
And I think many Americans have no idea because most
of us are concerned with their own lives as to
what's happening in Venezuela. And hopefully it turns out well.
But nonetheless, Robert Sherman, I think you're headquartered right now
in Puerto Rico keeping an eye eye on to the south,
the east, on Porter on the Venezuela. And Robert Sherman,
Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
can you, in a general way tell the average American
(50:45):
living in Dubuque, Iowa, what the hell's going on in
our involvement in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Can you explain that to the American people?
Speaker 6 (50:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:52):
First, and four months, you know, I'm sitting outside Roosevelt
Roads Naval Station, and I could tell you it's very
active with the way that I'm seeing thirty fives and
osprey's taking off and landing rather constantly. So I mean
there's no smoke and mirrors. The US military is here.
That's for sure. And in terms of why Venezuela, you know,
the argument that the Trump administration is making is that
(51:14):
they are, you know, effectively one of the central cogs
in this whole illegal drug operation that is moving fentanyl
and other drugs to the United States, and they believe
that Nicholas Maduro regime plays a central role in all
of that. So, I mean, we have seen them now
destroying boats that are you know, off the coast of Venezuela.
(51:35):
We've now seen them seizing oil tankers to hit Venezuela economically.
Here in the President has said the door is open,
you know, for the possibility of this to expand to
ground operations, to anything of the kind. But he's playing
his cards close to the vets.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Well, it could be ugly, I can I wish I
had a crystal ball to see how this turns out. Also,
the President is concerned about Columbia. We've we've had a
war on drugs since I don't know forty or fifty,
but this war might become a real war. So when
you're at the naval base and you watch what's going on.
You've been to Ukraine, you've been to Israel, reporting for
News Nation and my good friend Sean Compton from there.
(52:11):
But as a reporter, you're looking around, You're thinking something
big is about to happen. I think maybe it's going
to be standoff weapons of one type or another. The
Maduro regime followed up on Chavez, and of course Chavez
took the one of the richest nations in South America,
not the richest, and destroyed it. But Dura's doing the
same thing. Is it your sense that the goal of
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the administration is to take away the lifeline, which is money,
and because at this point I can't imagine how much
normal trade happening. It's all about drugs. Do you think
money is at the heart of this and taking away
money from the drug trade big.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Time, big time. I mean you saw that the way
that they seized this Venezuelan oil tanker. I mean that
is the lifeline for Venezuela as the distribution of oil.
And they say that the ship was part of the
so called shadow fleet. Just a few weeks ago, I
was in the Baltic Sea as we were tracking the
shadow fleet that was trying to illegally move oil from
Russia out to the Atlantic. And they use these ships
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that are you know, massed, you know, pak ownership structures,
and are flying false flags, you know, like the country
It might say it's a Marshall Island ship, but it's
really not. You know, this ship was flying the flag
of Guyana, and Guyana just came out and said, no way,
that's not our ship. You know, that was ultimately seized
by the US, you know, I mean, so there you
(53:30):
have it right there. I mean, this is the length
that countries like Venezuela will go in order to get
around American sanctions on oil, all for the sake of money,
all for the sake of the economy. So the Trump
administration is hitting them where it hurts most.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
And that's money, of course.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And we have a war on drugs, and this is
the first president that really conducted a war on drugs.
I can't conceive of the American people supporting a ground
invasion of Venezuela in which American men and women are
going to be killed on the battlefields of Cararacas. I
can't imagine that. That's not the way warfare is conducted today.
And the goal, of course, is they have the Venezuelan
(54:08):
government change. And I found something interesting that there was
a Democrat elected the mayor of Miami for the first
time in like thirty years. And during one of the
interviews she only did them on MSNBC, of course, she
referenced the fact that in date Miami Dade County, there's
one hundred thousand Venezuelans living in Miami Dade County. So
that nation of several tens of millions is emptying out
(54:31):
and they're coming to America. So although drugs may be
at the heart of this venezon can you imagine one
hundred thousand Venezuelans living in Miami Dade County because of
what Madura's doing in Caracas?
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, you know, I mean you see,
you know, in the way that that has an impact
on American politics, you know, and some of those Venezuelans,
you know, I mean are people you know who you know,
really resent the ideas of socialism. As a result of that,
really you know, have embraced you know, more capitalist policies
and you want to absolutely nothing to do with that,
you know. But I mean, this is an accusation that
(55:03):
the Trump administration has made, is that some you know,
are you know, political prisoners, you know, from Venezuela or
people that Venezuela does not want in their country and
are sending them to the US. I mean, I covered
that US Mexico border for a couple of years and
you would be amazed. I mean there was one year
where it was like one hundred and sixty three different
countries of origin were found down at that border. I mean,
(55:26):
it is it is really amazing, you know, like the
magnet effect that was in effect. You know when the
immigration policies and border enforcement was different under previous administrations.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
It probably elected Trump to the presidency because Americans living
in the Midwest could not put up with the idea
of tens of millions flooding into our country costing a
friggin fortune. And I'm still waiting for maybe so called
CBS allegedly the Great News magazine sixty minutes to spend
time in Minnesota to find out how many billions of
(55:57):
dollars have been looted by the Somalis. But that's a
different issue. The book has lessons from the front. Let's
touch on briefly if we can Ukraine. You were there,
and when I look at the Ukraine, you're on the
front lines in the Ukraine for News Nation. Talk to
me about what the peace plan, the twenty eight twenty
nine point peace plan, which is going nowhere, and Russia
(56:18):
right now is stuck there like they were stuck in Afghanistan.
They can't get in, they can't get out, and of
course I don't think Ukraine can ever win the war
if Russia wants to win it. What are your observations
from the front when it comes to Ukraine and the
ability that we have to effectuate Russian behavior, you know,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
I actually had the privilege of spending some time at
the Ukrainian Presidential Palace with President Zelenski, you know, a
couple of weeks before all this came down, and I
think something you know that often gets missed in the
American circles right now where the lines are. Ukraine currently
controls some very strategic heights in the don Bas region
(56:54):
which Russia has not been able to take. So Russia
wants a deal in which Ukraine just willfully gives those
up because Russia's military has not shown that they've been
able to take them. The reason that becomes long term
problematic for Ukraine is that they believe when President Trump
leaves office and that force of deterrence, by their eyes,
leaves office, the door is open for Russia to launch
(57:17):
a third invasion from a much better strategic position. So
that's why there's no way that Ukraine can go for
this deal that is currently on the table. Now it
might change, you know, if the battle lines are frozen,
you know, there might be a way in which Ukraine
will allow Russia to have governance over it. They will
never give up their claim to that region of Ukraine
without question. But I mean, that's the big thing here
(57:39):
is Ukraine is thinking what happens after President Trump leaves office,
because while they believe that there won't be more advances
under this administration, there is going to be a forty
eighth president and nobody knows who it is yet.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
I think maybe Shapings waiting for the same thing with Taiwan.
Taiwan they do not want Trump in office when they
invade Taiwan, and I think I think everyone across the
world is waiting for another Joe Biden to take office
and things of that character to see what happens. And lastly,
lessons from the Front. Israel Israel's America's best friend in
the Middle East. The only functional democracy. I spent about
(58:14):
ten days there just before the October sixth events took place,
which was very fortuitous in my part. But what are
your observations of Middle East peace relative to Gaza? I
looked at a story that News Nation had also which
said that Hamas had sequestered away tons of food for
the children of Gaza in order to make them starve,
(58:37):
so that the blame would be put on the Jews
for not feeding the children. The food was just wasting
away in warehouses. Hamas wanted to use the death of
children in Gaza as a political pool, political weapon against Israel.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
What's your observations in Israel lessons from.
Speaker 4 (58:54):
The front, you know, I mean, while I was inside
of Gaza a few weeks ago, we saw firsthand im
in the links that Hamas will go in order to
control aid distribution. This is a long standing problem there.
There are un studies, you know, that go back to
two thousand and eight that document how Hamas uses aid
distribution in order to exert control over the population. And
(59:15):
it seems as though since the ceasefire has taken hold,
Hamas has been able to get a stronger footing over
the last couple of weeks now that said. You know,
when I was in Gaza and speaking with some of
the Palestinians there, you know, they were saying things that
that you can imagine they've been at war with Israel,
and they said that they hated Israel. But many of
them were also saying, we hate Hamas too. That is
such a market change because for years people have been
(59:40):
so afraid in Gaza to speak out against Hamas because
it leads to dire consequences in almost all cases. So
you're hearing people speak out against Hamas more, you're hearing
dissenting voices. I mean, the big thing is is getting
through this phase two of the deal, and I don't
see any way in which Hamas goes quietly here. You
(01:00:00):
know what I would say, you know, is is that
the president has this broader vision of you know, what
he wants, and he wants it in which there's peace
between Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia. It all begins, you know
what happens in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Robert Sherman. Lastly, I'm looking at two headlines. One says
Hamas hid tons of infant formula nutritional shakes to smear
Israel for more than two years, the pro Palestinian crowd,
including many Democrats, accused Israel of starving people a genocide
in Gaza. It turns out it was a lie, and
here's proof that Hamas hid tons of baby formula to
(01:00:36):
hurt children and damage Israel. Another headline out of Nigeria.
Out of terrible parts of the world, Nigeria is just
one of them. But also what's happening in Western Africa.
Bodies discovered a suspected oregon harvesting ring in a hotel,
and the story points out that when in Nigeria, for example,
(01:00:58):
that when the horrible circumstances are happening against Christians and Catholics,
which is the attack on Christianity, that the girls become
forced prostitutes and the older people become organ harvesting rings
in which there pankrists their kidney are sold in the
open market. So on one hand, I look at what's
happening in Venezuela, which is awful. I look at what's
(01:01:20):
happening in Israel with Hamas killing its own people and
pinning it on the Jews. I look at what's about
to happen in Taiwan, and I think about what's happening
in the Ukraine with the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
Six thousand Russian soldiers are killed or mortally wounded every
every week. Same thing happening in the Ukraine. And I
ask you this question, Robert Sherman, what is the shape
(01:01:41):
of the world today?
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
See you know that?
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
That really brings me to the conclusion of my book.
You know that is now out and on shelves.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Is that I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
When I went over to Ukraine and saw war for
the first time firsthand, I was just a twenty five
year old kid from Cleveland, Ohio who didn't really know
much about the world, didn't really have a deep understanding,
and it opened my eyes to the naivete and the
threats that exist around the world. Growing up in Cleveland, Ohio,
I used to walk along the shores of Lake Erie
(01:02:14):
and never once in my life did I say I'm
so grateful I don't see enemy warships on the horizon.
I now say that now, because the world is such
a dangerous place and I truly had no idea how
good we have it in America. These are headlines that
we are reading around the world. They're not happening in Cleveland, Ohio.
(01:02:35):
They're not happening in Youngstown, They're not happening in Toledo. Yes,
there are complexities in the United States. Yes there are
problems that need to be addressed in the United States.
But we're not like the Estonians who spent the summer
digging anti tank trenches fearing that they could be invaded
every day. We're not like the Ukrainians who are sleeping
(01:02:56):
in metro stations every night, fearing that they're going that
they might not the sunrise. That's my big message is
that come back. I don't have any answers to the world.
I am no geopolitical expert, but I do feel confident
and we should all be grateful that we are Americans.
To the front of our passports, says the United States
of America, because we just have it so good and
(01:03:17):
there are so many dangers out there that don't impact
our communities every day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Let's conclude it there, Robert Sherman, the book would be
great for Christmas Lessons from the Front. The biggest problem
in Cleveland is the Browns, and of course the Guardians.
The biggest problem in Cincinnati is Cincinnati and Joe Joe
Burrow's unhappy with making sixty million dollars a year, He
may say, the heck with it. I don't want to
make sixty million dollars. I'm unhappy. How many people get
(01:03:45):
up every day to go to work who are unhappy?
How many people have to support themselves and their family
doing drudgery jobs they'd rather not do. And Joe Burrows
angry about making sixty million dollars a year. And if
I'm not having fun, damn it, I'm quitting. What would
are Ukrainian Estonian? Joe Burrow Man, I'm making sixty.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Mil and I'm just unhappy. I'm not having fun.
Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Hey, hey, I'm not What would do Ukrainian say about that,
Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, are you listening?
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Pay attention?
Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
They would say, what a great problem to have, which
we could trade places with you all in Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Lessons from the Front to Robert Sherman, You're a great
American and thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And I'd like to do it again. And Robert, thank
you very much. Thank you so much for having me.
Appreciate it. God bless America. Let's continue with more. I
watched again, Joe Burrow's news conference on Tuesday, and I
saw a twenty eight about to become a twenty nine
year old, unhappy, not having fun. Bill Cunningham, News Radio
(01:04:42):
seven hundreds.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Wow. The person arrested is William Cunningham.
Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
He'll be arraigned in court tomorrow. Oh hello, hello.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Byet and I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Guy.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
The person arrested is William Cunningham. Will be arraigned in
court tomorrow. What do you do now?
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Can't say? Jeez, that's Brian Colembs. That's got to be
that AI stuff, isn't it. Yes, because I've done nothing wrong.
I've retired undefeated, untied, unscored on let's know that. Yeah,
we have more allegations about your own more boy and
Paige a shiver?
Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Now is he is he out? He's out?
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
He's five thousand dollars. But the most important part, you
know how valuable of those ankle bracelets are?
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Oh yeah, they keep everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
So the Michigan man who's on the bench gave Sharon
more twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
He's gotten his front and right pocket. So then that
monitor is monitored by somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
They can tell that you immediately just talk to Patrick
Heringer's widow about that.
Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Oh, that's a different issue. But I want to give
you more of the facts. Okay, you care about facts
or just your opinion? That's what this show is all about. More,
the head football coach in Michigan, allegedly, according to barged
into his lover's residence. Yeah, grabbed a butter knife and
a pair of kitchen scissors, then began threatening his own life.
Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I will bleed out in front of you. What a
butter knife? Correct? I've got to dig deep on that one.
Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
According to prosecutors, More allegedly told the staffer Paige Shiver,
quote my blood is on your hands and quote you
ruined my life. Unquote, He went after her bingo when
he accused her of quote my blood is on your hands.
Quote you ruined my life. Prosecutors also claim this afternoon
(01:06:38):
that More, the head football coach of Michigan, terrorized the
staffer that they believed him to be a risk at
public safety and requested a high bond. The Michigan Man,
good friend of Tom Weedman, so I'm told, gave More
a bond of twenty five thousand dollars with conditions and
included regular mental health evaluations. You got to be crazy
if you go to Michigan anyway, being fitted with his
(01:07:01):
GPS tracking device, no contact of any kind with the victim,
and remaining in the state of Michigan. We don't want
him in Ohio. No worry about that. They'll go to Canada.
And abortion pills are delivered to Moore's executive assistant, who,
by the way, was paid shivers. But it was delivered
to Sharon Moore, who gave the abortion pills to the lover, who,
(01:07:24):
by the way, is not a friend her of his wife.
And then last night they were going to fire the ad.
Now apparently they've they've they've changed their mind and he's
still on the job. What yeah say that again? The
ad was like let go. Supposedly let go last night,
but then this morning I looked at it and he's like, well,
he's still keeping his job. According to him, many a
(01:07:45):
mess up there. Well, should Michigan football get the death penalty?
Todd Waite them all up is still hiding right now,
whether they're like number two in the nation in basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And Barry Larkin, the great Reds player, says he knows nothing,
but he's a Michigan man too. Well, that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Shouldn't Michigan Michigan get the death penalty? Did something and
then give something to Jim Harbaugh. He's the one who
started all this. He got all the coaches, inter sanctions,
he got he got the guy to videotape other other
teams and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Run them out. Now he's in the National Football League.
The Michigan alumni say, next, go after Ohio State. What
I said, what Irvin Meyer's gone? He didn't, right? Does
Ryan Day do lap dances anymore?
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I don't think so. He just goes out and win,
well except for Indiana. But how about maybe they'll play
him again? Could Ryan Day coach Michigan? No way, are
you kidding? Bill Belichick coach Michigan, John Gruden coach now Michigan.
Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Well, I don't know about that, but I get well,
you know what it would be. It would be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
If it would be perfect if Belichick would go to
Michigan with then that would that would Jordan the soap
opera Jordan Hudson Right now, what about de boor from Alabam?
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
What I'm worried about is.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
What about Kerry Combe's Is he still employed know you
don't know what did Kerry Combs know and when did
he know it?
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I don't think he knew anything. How do you know
what he knew? I know you do not know.
Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
The Homo Audie.
Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Elmore, Tom Woman still cannot be in fact, his allegation
can't find him. Tom Weiedman's Sycamore Township Trust Team Michigan
Faithful is under a bed somewhere, hiding out, sucking on
a passivefire one NKU and Bellerman then six o'clock Indiana
takes on Kentucky. What did you know about Kelly Moore's
relationship the wife with Paige Shiver?
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
What did you know about that? In Winda? I don't
care about ann Arbor. I don't care about Michigan.
Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I worry about the Ohio State Buckeyes, Apording and Tom
Weedman There next nine and O Miami up against Eastern
Kentucky and North Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Dateon tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Let's see.
Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
T Higgins out for on Sunday concussion protocol Shamar Stewart
out doubtful.
Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Can you cut him and recover any money? I don't
think so.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
How about him holding out for more money and more
better language? He didn't play anyway? Probably next year US
Bengals covered Sunday nine am with the Arnold Carriers pre
game sports talk shovers that have I since it a
Northern Kentucky toilet dealers will be live from the Holy
Grail brew Mow and Pike kickoff is at one. It's
going to be cold Sunday too. I'll col high of
(01:11:11):
twelve degrees. What does Dave Lapham say about that it's
gonna be cold?
Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Is he going to play?
Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
Who?
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Dave Lapham right? He probably played played better than anybody
on that line. He's good at freezer bles. Tri State
Chevy Dealers post game show, presented by Arnel Carriers will
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the one and only Bruce Kazerski.
Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
He could play offensive line? Was he number sixty four?
Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think you're right. I think you're right. We check
that out.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Heisman Trophy going to be awarded tomorrow night in New
York City. Well among the finalist Ohio States Julian Sayan
and also Indiana's Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I'm going with Fernando Tatis.
Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think so because he's won the Walter Camp Award,
the AP Player of the Year and all that. If
you win all that, you're probably gonna be winn the
Heisman and he plays for the Podres, doesn't he? Yeh
rides update single game tickets for red Spring training home games.
This will make You Warm on sale right now at
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(01:12:15):
now is set for February twenty first against those Guardians,
a good to year ballpark. Unless I got a telephone
call in a message from Justice showed Eaters, you might
recall it. I'm an admant life. He was a prosecutor.
He wonder what I remember that, But if they believe
the coming, that was a long time ago. He wants
to come in next week to talk about the Elwood
(01:12:36):
Jones matter. When that guy murdered Rhoda and Blue Ash
and these seeking dispensation from the Chief Justice Sharon Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Why does she come in with him? She can't.
Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
They we'll have royalty here. Remember what Sharon tells Joe,
know your role and shut your mouth. North Carolina offensive
coordator Freddie Kitchens and special teams coordator Mike Peiffer out
at North Carolina after that four and eight season with Belichick.
Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
What does Shordan Hutchins say?
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
North Carolina's offense was one of the worst in the
country Raking ranking one hundred and nineteenth in points per
game in one hundred and twenty ninth in total offense.
Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Rocky Boyman says he's not going to coach next year.
How to come here?
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
According to Countie Pillage, she is unsure that Edward Jones,
murdered Rhoda, Joe Dieters and Mark Petemeyer, who tried the
case itself thirty years ago, will be here sitting there
someday next week to refute the charges of Countie Pillage.
Pittsburgh Steelers star defensive lineman TJ. Watt underwent surgery today
(01:13:43):
to repair a partially collapse lung suffered yesterday in practice.
He's unlikely to play Monday night against the Miami dolphinscording
a Rocky Boyman, if the Steelers lose three of their
next four and the Bengalis win the next four.
Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
If that had'll make number nine very happy.
Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Well, if you were making sixty million dollars a year,
would you be unhappy? Would you be having any fun
at all?
Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
You have no fun, do you?
Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I tell you one thing.
Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Right now, they're saying that he's probably going to be
likely get traded to the Minnesota Vikings. What I don't
know who that ESPN said that today he's one of
the likely candidates if he's traded to the Minnesota Vikings
Joe Burrow. They had like five teams listed. He's gonna
get traded.
Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I don't think so. I gonna get rid of No,
not trading him. I'm just saying ESPN saying that, not me.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
They don't know what they're talking about. Y Rocky Boyman
knows what he's talking about. Say get me out of
the Student's Report. All my investigation, all week and long
will continue of the relationship between Jordan Hudson and Sharon.
Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Moore, will he and houtter of a snowy weekend upon us.
Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Everybody stay safe and warm out there and watch the roads,
especially tomorrow with the winter storm warning.
Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
We leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report,
like I'm too.
Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
Old to really Yeah, you'll be like this time next year,
Willy will be like, please.
Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Don't even look my way, not that you're my age.
Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
I know.
Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
When Willy stops checking you out, that's when you know
it's over. I still need him to be a PERV
with me. I need for myself.
Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Lily is a PERV with you. I've seen it first. Fine,
I'm like coming up in a few minutes here. Well, well, Sarah.
If I were younger, I would I would gladly engage
in coitus with you. What do you like to engage
in coitus? But as soon as a dirty coal dir
talk dirty to me, will say coitus again, coitus. I
enjoyed coitus, but once that's cos I know.
Speaker 9 (01:15:42):
But I think I did hit a point where I'm like,
oh my god. Dudes in like their sixties and seventies
are like, no, she's way too old.
Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
You're too old, you've aged out.
Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Oh my god, eighties, nineties one death bad.
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I can't see make it in the well that
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I know nothing, Yeah, I know nothing butter knives and
a pair of scissors on seven hundred W l W
Bill Cunningham, the great American, of course. Right now the
Congress is debating, if that's what it's called, whether to
have more subsidies or less subsidies for Obamacare that controls
about seven or eight percent of the healthcare. The great
majority of us have healthcare through our employer, through VA,
through Medicare or Medicaid, and we don't have the Obamacare subsidies.
What you're going to skyrocket and they're going to be
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done with in about what about three weeks. People are
on the Obamacare were lied to in the beginning by
Obama who said that if you like your plan, keep
your plan, like your doctor, keep your doctor. But the
best part, Obama said would be that premiums will go
down on average by twenty five hundred dollars a year
and it would reduce the deficit. Now, I hate to
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go back in time for facts, but that's what Obama promised.
It didn't turn out that way, John, and you and
I now is a fine American, Beth Kaiser. She's the
senior vice president of the West Region for Anthem Blue
Crossing Blue Shield, one of the four or five largest
insurers in the world. And Beth Kaiser welcome, I think
for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And first of all, why are you doing this?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Because most of the time insurance company executives hide under
the covers.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Why are you doing this?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, Bill, I'm proud to be with you in Ohio today,
and I mean the reason we're doing this is at Anthem,
Blue Cross, and Blue Shield. If we don't manage these
unaffordable healthcare costs, it will become inaccessible healthcare and we
don't want that in Ohio. So we must have a
seat at the table with all the other stakeholders to
address this.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's a big question. Why is it unaffordable? Why are
there cost guy rocketing? How come we pay more for insurance,
more for medical care than any country in the world
and get less results.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, I said, there's a lot of factors in there,
but the ones that I know to be true for
Ohio is we have an aging population, we have increased
chronic conditions. You also mentioned and earlier about escalating costs.
We have escalating drug prices, we have provider consolidation, we
have fraud and abuse, and we have ongoing legislative changes
that you mentioned that also can draw that can increase costs.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Are you in the business of providing good healthcare to
Ohioans or in the business and making money?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Which is it?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We are in the business of trying to keep Ohioans healthy.
That is our mission and our vision is to improve
the health of humanity, and specifically they're in Ohio, so
that is our mission.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Are you involved with the Obamacare subsidies? Is that part
of what you do? Is the vice president there of Anthem.
Are you involved in Obamacare subsidies?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Were?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
We're involved in conversations at the local level and at
the federal level with these important discussions around subsidies and
making sure that individuals stay covered and have access to
affordable healthcare.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Why did the promises of what never happened?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, I wish I could speak to that, but I'm
not going to go there. We would, we'd probably be
here till Sunday. But what I will say what we're
doing about it at Anton, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
is we're looking at ways that we can help curb
the affordability crisis. And we're doing that through partnerships with
our providers, with our legislators, and for example, I'll give
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you an example of what we're doing in the hospital
space with out of network physicians. So in twenty twenty six,
we're implementing a policy with our hospital providers and partners
that impatient that will curb out of network specialists from
using in network.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Hospitals to build.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And so you say, well, what will that do if
you ask me that bill, What that will do is
that will actually encourage those out of network specialists to come.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
In network and will help lure the cost. So that's
good for our members, that's good for employers, that's good
for all.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We saw an editorial in the Inquirer a few days
ago from a doctor who spends He said, he's discussed
with the whole medical care industry. This is from a doctor,
and I know doctor friends of mine that have quit
in their sixties. They said they can't take it anymore
because they spend more time on paperwork than on meeting
with patients, and they have large numbers of people in
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their offices who deal with paperwork with insurance companies and
not with healthcare. How would you respond to that charge
from the physicians themselves that they spend too much time
on paperwork and not healthcare.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean that's where Bill, I mean, we all
talk about AI and the future and what data allows
us to do, and that's where I think the opportunity
to be more efficient with our hospitals in the way
that we share that data. And there's so much technology
that's improving and reducing the administrative burden that you mentioned
owned providers, and we're bringing that in many cases to
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those relationships, and it's important because we do want doctors
to be able to work top of license.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
As far as the Medicare for All, which was the
cry of Bernie Sanders, that is not something the insurance
companies would enjoy.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I would suspect.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Do you sense that if this problem is not fixed
in the next five to ten years, there will be
Medicare for all and in fact, the bills will be
sent to the US government with no incentive to hold
down the cost at all because it's a pass through,
and that insurance companies like yours may be out of
business because the middleman, which is the insurance company, will
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be taken out. I think in Western Europe there aren't
too many insurance companies. The building is done by the
governments of European countries and then they decide who gets
care who doesn't get care. If you go to Canada,
I think my Canadian friends tell me, if you want
a hip replacement, get in line.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It might be nine months to a year.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So in a sense, are you fighting for the survival
of insurance companies and not letting the government take over healthcare?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, i'd the privilege bill of working in Europe and
seeing how healthcare is handled there, and I'd say we have.
I mean, I'm very proud for where we're at.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
And the healthcare, the quality of healthcare that we get delivered.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So this is an affordability conversation. So I believe it's
up to us, and it's not just the payer. It's
got to be the provider that's at the table, legislators
and employers to make the changes that we need to address.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Exactly what you were.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Describing, and Beth describe to the American people living in Ohio,
Kentucky and Indiana, what is the European system? So if
my producer Tony Bender needs a hip replacement, he goes
to the doctor and stood Guard Germany, and his doctor
tells him, Tony Bender, you got.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
To get your hip replaced.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And then what happens to the hip right now in Cincinnati,
my sister.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Who was at a wedding and.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Her hip, her hips how we say, became displaced and
she saw a doctor that day and the hip was
popped back in. She has surgery scheduled next week. If
that happened in Stutgart, Germany, what would be what would
happen to my sister?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, I hope your sister was having fun before the
incident happens.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
But you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean, we have top quality care in the US
and we want to keep that. We just got to
make it affordable because what would have happened to your
sister potentially is she would have had to wait and
she would have had to struggle to navigate.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Inside their system.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So each system, as I've seen, has its own challenges,
But I want to address an anthem. Blue crossfu Shield
wants to address the challenges that we're seeing in Ohio,
and we want to do that head on.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So you're saying, am I right to say that if
you have a hip replacement, you have a pelvic fracture,
you have a broken foot, you have a cancer, you
want to get diagnosed for cancer, You need a heart valve,
and I want to thank doctor Dean Cariacus for my
heart valve that's working well. I got in immediately, got care.
Same thing for any person living that has insurance in Ohio.
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But if you're in the other systems indicate that the
government pays, the government sets the rules. And as a consequence,
is there greatly delayed care and other developed countries for
healthcare that doesn't happen in America?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I would say in the different countries that I worked in,
I saw differences in that, and so I can't speak
to each one, but the ones that I saw is
there were delays in some care, but there's also much
more focused than other some countries owned staying healthy and build.
That's something that we've got to talk more about. I
think in the past insurers have not been focused. We've
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been focused on paying claims, make sure we have high
quality providers and doing a lot of the administrative task,
and we haven't engaged in the whole health conversation. And
so that's why I'm proud to be at Anthem Blue
CROSSLEU Shield is because we're looking at individuals with whole
health and looking at how we keep people in Ohio
healthier earlier in life to prevent those issues, the issue
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of rising costs and for health and.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Beth Kaiser, there's three aspects of a person. I like
to think philosophically. Can you think with me philosophically?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
There's three aspects of a person's being. It's how you
perceive yourself. I think I look like Rinaldo. My wife
tells me I may not, but she says Christian and Romaldo.
I think I look great, I look healthy. That's one aspect.
That's how you view yourself now. The second aspect is
how other people view you. People may not view me
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as looking six foot two, one hundred and eighty pounds
like Ronaldo.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That may be.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And thirdly, reality do you have fixed in your mind?
How everach Americans view insurance companies because may I say, Beth,
it's not a positive Can you understand, how everage Americans
view not just your company, but all the insurance companies.
We don't view insurance companies in a positive way. In fact,
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you're as popular as an ascid. You're as popular as
shall I say, trial attorneys. You're as popular as used
car dealers. And so do you understand how unpopular insurance
companies are.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Absolutely, and that's the reason I think it's important for
us to be at the table to make sure all
understand what insurance looks like, what it means to be
self insured, if you weren't for an employer, that your
employers picking up, Like over eighty percent of employers.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Are self insured.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So if I ask for in costs five dollars or
cost five hundred dollars, that that's important to know that
that helps individuals become savvyer consumers of health care. And
so we've got to have a voice that's out there
addressing this crisis.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Which is unaffordable healthcare. Are you surprised we won't have access?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So we talked about access and what that means in
other countries.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
If you have twenty five if you have twenty five
to thirty million illegals using the healthcare system and pay nothing,
does not drive up costs for those of us who
pay well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I would say, are we going to if we're going
back to what I'm not an expert in that, so
I think I should stand that apart. But what I
will say is that the factors that I called out,
including those aging population the chronic conditions, the escalating These
are things that you and I can address and we
can work on in Ohio. The issues you were just describing,
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I'm going to lead to the people who are in
charge for that. I'm an expert in that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Bill I got.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I got one more big question. Are you ready for
a big question?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'm watching this morning, Chuck Schumer. Then I'm watching the
Republicans speak about healthcare. And if we continue simply the
government and the rest of us indirectly paying the healthcare
subsidies for the next three years under Obamacare, in other words,
keep the same system, keep paying the subsidies. Does that
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have any impact whatsoever and lowering healthcare cost if we
simply keep the same system and pay more for it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Can you answer that question?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So, I would say, what's important to us is to
make sure individuals have an off ramp if they're coming
off a subsiday, and that individuals our members stay covered
in some capacity. And so that's the reason in Ohio
we offer a variety of products that allow individuals to
have something that they can have access to, and then
addressing unaffordability that will allow it to be more affordable
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for individuals who may be coming off of those subsidies
in the future.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Do you have any questions to work closely with that?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Do you have any questions for me? Go ahead?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well no, I was just gonna say, Bill, but you know,
one of the things that we have to appreciate is
as those individuals come off of subsidies, we do not
want our healthcare partners to be for their emergency rooms
to be clogged, to be.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Backed up right.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
We want to have an offer amp that allows those
individuals to have access to care, but not the most
expensive form of care when it's not needed or warranted.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Do you have any questions for me?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I've been asking you questions now, Bill, Sports, Politics, World Capital.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
No, You've had a bunch of great questions.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
The biggest thing I would just like to encourage your
viewers and your listeners to go to our website www.
Dot Anthem dot com, forward slash Affordability in Ohio and
let us know how they feel, as well as access
the tools that we have for them and the resources
that we have for them there.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I want to thank you for having the guts. I
want to thank you for having the guts to come on.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Thank you, Bill, God bless me.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I'm a wonderful weekend and happy holidays to you.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, God bless America, Marry Christmas. Beth Kaiser,
thank you, thank you all all. Let's continue with more
news coming up after my comments. A News Radio seven
hundred WLW. All right, now, here's the Great American and
here we go and broadcast Suprebity. After one o'clock today,
we're going to have on the Rob Sanders, Kent County
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prosecutor had a big win yesterday in a murder case.
After two o'clock today we'll be Robert Sherman like in
the tank, who's going to report live from Puerto Rico
about what's happening in Venezuela and so much more. But
until then, for those who closely, I try to get
different viewpoints so that you can get a well rounded
display of different arguments on important issues. And one of
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them is medical insurance costs. All of us have a
human body, at least those of us who are alive,
and all of us have need at some point for
medical services of one type or another. And as you
get older, you have more need for more medical services.
Who's cost our confiscatory, and so I have concerned about
where we're headed when it comes to these medical expenses
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that are skyrocketing. At the end of the day, is
going to be government sponsored healthcare, much like the DMV.
So Beth Kaiser seems like a well intended woman working
for a Blue Cross Blue Shield. She's the executive vice
president in charge. Just heard from her. The goal of
the insurance companies sold on New York Stock Exchange. The
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number one goal is to make money. The number one
goal is to have a high return to the investors
who buy the stock. The number one goal is to double, triple,
or quadruple the amount of money you make for the
next year. The number one goal is not patient healthcare.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They want to do both.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
They want to have a great profit on one hand,
they also want to have as much care as possible
in the other.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I understand that the whole system is set up in
such a way in which insurance companies are motivated to
make money and the government is there to more us
to play at play the role as the referee, except
when they sponsor healthcare, which is like at the VA.
So Beth Kaiser is a well intended person, but her
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goal in life is to make money, and her goal
in life is to have a return to the investors.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Her goal in life is to make her bonus. Her
goal in life is dividends.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That is to make money, which is why thirty to
forty percent of health client claims are turned down go
through an appellate process.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Good luck with that. It's not going to work.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
In the best world we could have, the Republicans and
the Democrats would get together, not play cheap political games
as Chuck Schumer is doing mainly the Democrats, and say
how do we keep the system we have, which is
the best in the world, and lower the cost of
the system. Because every doc I speak to, every hospital
I speak to tell me they spend more time on
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paperwork than they spend often on healthcare, which is what
they're in the business of doing.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
So.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
The Obamacare subsidies are a perfect example of what should happen,
what could happen, but will not happen. The average American
once their medical bills paid forthright and pay as little
as possible and get the best care imaginable. That is
not happening right now in America and is not happening.
Guess what anywhere in the world. I try to penter
down on the fact that in Europe they have government
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sponsored healthcare, but to get health care is in many
months or many years process. It isn't like in our
system you walk into an er and there's a possibility
within a week or two you may get care. I
use my sister having her hip go out at a
wedding at Santex Church all of a sudden, but within
six hours it's popped back in functioning and surgery is
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scheduled to replace the hip. That doesn't happen in Germany
or Holland or England, or it doesn't happen that way.
So what the arguments about now with the so called
Obama healthcare because it has failed miserably, and the news
media in this country, bought and paid for by the Democrats,
are not going to tell you the truth about Obamacare.
It was designed to fail because when government pays the bills,
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there's no incentive to hold down cost and improve the care.
The government is issuing a check to the insurance companies,
whether it's United or Anthem or Kaiser, Blue Blue Shield.
Their goal in life is to make money, maximized shareholder
value Secondarily, if they provide some good benefits along the way,
that's good too, right, It doesn't work that way. All
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the credits will do is to kick the can down
the road for three years, double a triple the cost
of medical care that will be paid for by the
tax prayer with Here's the goal, the long term goal.
Mark my words. I may not be with you in
five or ten years, but this is what's going to happen.
The American people will be so fed up with the
medical insurance companies, so fed up with hospital care costs,
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so fed up with their doctors spending time on paperwork
and not healthcare. The American people will say, to hell
with all the insurance companies. Get rid of United and
Anthem and Kaiser Blue costs, but get rid of all
of them and give the responsibility of health and human
services to care for We're going to have a one
payer system, much like Europe, much like most parts of
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the world. The government provides you healthcare, the insurance companies
are gone, and the cost then will really skyrocket. There'll
be no motivation whatsoever to hold down any cost. The
government's going to write a check of trillions of dollars
every year right now, the cost of health care in
America is about one sixth of the entire economy, which
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is about three trillion dollars a year, largely borne by
the insurance companies and by employees working for employers that
have eighty percent of the coverage is provided through work,
and the employers are motivated to hold down the expenses because,
after all, they're paying the bill. When the government pays
the bill, there's no incentive to hold down the expense.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
So down the.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Road, whether it's whether it's phones or whether it's television
sets or whatever. When these fancy sets came out about
twenty years ago, it was like ten thousand dollars for
a set.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Now it's down there about three hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Competition works, and healthcare doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And so we're going to have.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
In the next five to ten to fifteen years, the
government will seize control of the medical insurance industry, the hospitals,
the pharmacies, the medical schools, et cetera. And it'll be
a huge enterprise which will provide worse care and less
results to the American people. And it's set up to fail.
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When Chuck Schuman, the Democrats say simply supply three more
years of subsidized credits on health insurance. That will incentivize
the whole system to charge more because the government's paying
the bill. The stock of insurance companies have gone up
three hundred percent, and the amount of care to average
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Americans has gone down. You're in the network, you're out
of the network. Remember the remember Obama standing up, You
like your doctor and keep your doctor, like your like
your plan, keep your plan. Insurance premiums down twenty five
hundred dollars a year on average, and it's going to
reduce the deficit.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Of course it didn't. It lied.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
All Obama did during his presidency was basically lie. And
now the chickens have come home to roost about ten
or fifteen years later, and the pass through to the
government by insurance companies has caused a three hundred percent
increase in the bills. And now who's going to pay
the bill or The Democrats want to convince you that
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they have the solution. So when the election takes place
in the midterm, they want to ride this horse all
the way to electoral victory and the government will seize
more control of your healthcare, providing less care less efficiency
out of higher cost, which is the way things always
work when the government's involved. And so Democrats say, well,
let's pay all the cost of this eight percent of
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the population on Obamacare. Let's pay all the cost and
we'll just simply pass it on to the American people
and the former increased taxes. And the Republicans say, now,
wait a minute, can we bring into the same forces
that will hold down the expenses of gasoline and television
sets and clothing and food, bring those same systems in
place to healthcare going up ten to fifteen percent every year.
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And the Democrats won't let them do it. And most
of the American people that involves you and me, say
to each other, you know what, we don't fully understand this.
We don't use the healthcare system until it's an emergency
or a crisis, don't use until someone gets old. So
what we're going to do is turn over to the
government the ability of determining who gets operations, who doesn't,
who can see a doctor who doesn't. When I ask
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Beth Kaiser, isn't it true that of twenty to thirty
million legals use the healthcare system and pay nothing for it.
That's going to drive up expenses, drive up costs. She
didn't answer the question when I said to her that,
you know what if we simply extend the Obamacare subsistance
and credits for three more years without affecting whatsoever the
actual cost of the medical care.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Isn't that a bad idea? She couldn't answer the question.
That's not.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Her goal in life is to return shareholder value, and
your goal in life is to get good medical care
at a reasonable cost.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And the two shall ever meet. So that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Beth Kaiser, I'm sure as an ice lady, and she
had her pat answers for any question I asked, it
was right there, try it, and she understands that. As
far as the most despicable persons in America, at the
bottom of the list are insurance companies, lawyers and use
carson and politicians. I think the approval rating of the
Democrats in the Congress is eight percent and approval ratings
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of the Republicans are twelve percent. You can't get ninety
percent of people to agree on anything. But we know
we don't like medical insurance companies, we don't like lawyers,
we don't like used car dealers, and we shure us out.
Don't like government officials who will use this opportunity. Never
let a crisis go to waste. Just seize more control
of the American economy. Long term, that'll be a disaster.
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But of course, having thirty million people use the medical
system and pay nothing into it is going to rise
the cost of those who do pay.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Does that make sense to you? Now, let's continue. We
never stop, We simply continue.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But I give Beth Kaiser credit for coming on, and
she spoke from a perspective of Blue Cross Blue Shield,
and the interests of Blue Cross and Blue Shield financially
are not necessarily the interest of individual Americans who need healthcare.
Let's continue, and coming up after one o'clock will be
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the Great rob Sanders. After two o'clock is Robert Sherman
of News Nation live from Puerto Rico about Venezuela, all
on News Radio seven hundred WLWY. Billy Cunningham, the Great America.
After two o'clock today will be Robert Sherman reporting live
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from Puerto Rico about Venezuela. But until then, Hamny County,
I'm sorry, Kent County has just talked to Joe Eaters
off the air. Kenton County Prosecutor Rob Sanders is joining
us now, and Rob first of all, Joe Eaters call
it in. I talked to him off the air. Wants
to wish you and yours and merry Christmas and the
happy New Year. How about that from Justice Joe.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
That's fantastic, Willie. I haven't talked to Joe in a
few days here, but you know, it's it's been nice.
I've had Joe kind of vanished off the face of
the Europe. He did a little while there when he
first hit the bench, but he's come back around and
he's given me a shout a few times here. Recently.
We've had a lot of interest in things going on,
things in the news. So it's nice to be back
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in his company and catch up with him and laugh
and cry and debate and carry on about all things
news and politics and family and everything else that Joe
and I talk about. So I'm glad he's catching up
with you as well. But by all means, Merry Christmas
to the Beaters family.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know we have great breakfasts together. And I'll say this,
Justice Joe is Sharon Kennedy, the Chief Justice, tells Joe
know your role and shut your mouth and up until recently,
Joe Eaters has known his role in the black robe,
and he shut his mouth at some point, though he
may come out. Is there a justice Rob Sanders down
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the road.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I don't know. Maybe if I get to be as
old as Joe is someday, if I live that long, Willie,
my patience will grow. But right now I have a
really hard time listening to other lawyers try cases. You know,
I'm a horrible supervisor when it comes to watching my
attorneys trycases because I don't like to be in the courtroom.
I get too too cranky and two, I don't know,
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nervous isn't really the right word. I just want to
jump in and do the case myself. So I know
I dropped my assistance crazy. Sometimes when I'm in the courtroom,
I just don't you know, I have a hard time
to listen to the defense attorneys do their cases. I
just wanted to shut up, sit down, let's get this
thing moving. So I don't know that I have the
patience to ever wear a black robe. I have great
respect for the people to do, but I've never been
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Patience has never been one of my assets. Willie, and
I don't know that I've got the temperament to be
a patient judge like Justice Jill.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, when you get as old as Joe me, you might.
But Sharon Kennedy, the chief, sent him a big note
in black letters, know your role and shut your mouth.
And Joe has said, yes.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I'm just gonna guess and say, given Joe's beautiful bride
and her temperament, that's probably not the first woman to
tell Joe that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
You.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Yeah, he probably come, you know, accustomed to it, and
so I'm sure he took it in strat Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yes, and we're gonna talk Mario Pain in a moment.
I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, Breitbart. I'm watching Fox News and
I'm watching the hearing for the fired Michigan football coach,
Sharon Moore, and I'm looking at him, and it's coming
out now that the University of Michigan knew for months
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that he was stalking a Michigan employee working for him
as executive director of the head football coach. They knew
that Page was being victimized by their head football coach.
And this guy was making five last year, he made
eight million dollars for bonuses. Sharon more likely to make
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eight million dollars this year. And now he's sitting in
a holding cell, having threatened to kill and a commit
suicide break into the homes of Michigan employees. I can't
recall someone who's gone from a year ago beating the
Buckeyes at Ohio Stadium, taking the place of Harball who
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went on the NFL fame, I guess. And now he's
sitting in a holding cell with a look in his
eyes saying, what in the hell is going on around
this place? And now the University of Michigan, which has
ten or eleven assistant coaches, all of which have been disciplined,
the school's on probation for all the shooting they had
done in the past. Now they're head football coaches in
a white black uniform, sitting in a holding cell, nodding
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his head, having threatened to kill, breaking the homes. And
this is the football coach of the University of Michigan.
The maze in the blue. What do you think about that?
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well, Willly, it's just going to show you how crazy
intense the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is. And I'm not
a Michigan or an Ohio State fan, Frankly, I think
anybody who's not a fan of either one of those
programs just gets annoyed with the both of them. That's
the category I fall into. But if Michigan was truly
covering this up, yes until after the Ohio State game,
(28:58):
Yes they didn't have to traction try and betoate. That's
just sick. Oh He's domestic violence is nothing to screw
around with. And it's you know, it's I hate to
even make jokes in the same segment here about Ohio
State and Michigan that we're going to move into domestic
violence because the murder tribe and dealing with all week
was filled with domestic violence. And if this coach really
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was doing the kind of things he's being accused of now,
then shame on him and he deserves whatever he gets,
and shame on the University of Michigan. And if that's true,
they ought to end up stroking a big check to
this lady to compensate her for the hell that this
coach has put her through. That they didn't put a
stop to or call the police or do whatever they
had to do because God forbid it mess up their rivalry.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Gain day thought they got their high state game coming
up a couple of days after Thanksgimming, so they had
to keep the lid on. The AD's got to go.
Whoever knew about it's got to go. I guess this
woman's life hung in the balance, and she's talking the
crap out of her and had a baby. I think
he paid for the abortion. So in addition everything he did,
he killed his own born baby through paying for it.
(30:02):
And page is pages in therapy. And Paige was a
girlfriend of his wife. He's thirty nine years old with
three little girls. But the Kelly More is the wife
been married for ten years of the head football coach
you're on, and she is a girlfriend of the paramore.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
What do you think about that one?
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Well, Willie to find out that the University of Michigan
really was sandbag and dragging their feet on doing something
about criminal behavior on behalf of their football coach just
so they could get through the Missivalry game. I don't
think Michigan was ever going to make the playoffs or
get a bowl game or anything like that. But if
they really were not going to the police and trying
(30:45):
to cover this up just so they could beat Ohio State,
then they ought to suspend the entire dang football team,
because that's just inexcusable behavior under any circumstance to put
a victim of domestic violence through even more violence and
more trauma just for a football game. I'm the biggest
football fan. It's anybody that's no joking matter, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Speaking of the DV, I mean, I mean this Michigan
football out to get the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
The NCAA will yeah, death penalty.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Death.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Let let's talk about Mario Paine talking about DV. Explain
what happened. You had a successful outcome. By the way,
on my birthday, December the eleventh, yesterday, talk to me
about Mario Paine. Tell the American people about him.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Well, Willie, Happy birthday, by the way. I'm sorry that
I missed it. I'm sure it was a big show yesterday.
Everybody's being a Happy birthday's to you. And I know
what I told you earlier the week that this Mario
Payne trial was likely to run through your birthday. So
unfortunately I wasn't available yesterday for the big celebration. But
happy birthday. I celebrated by convicting Mario Paine of murder
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and convincing the jury and they agreed that he deserves
a life sentence for the murder of a young lady
named Kiera Lane, who was only twenty five years old
back on January sixth, twenty twenty four, when Mario Pain
gunned her down. This is a young woman that had
been engaged in a relationship with mister Pain, despite the
fact that he was apparently engaged in multiple relationships with
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multiple women had kids with multiple women. But when Kiara
Laine realized that she was just being toyed with by
Mario Pain and he wasn't interested in a long standing
relationship with her being a husband and a father to
their two children like he should have been, she broke
things off. She got a new boyfriend. Well sad thing
is the moment that Miss Lane posted a photo of
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herself and this new boyfriend to social media. Mario Pain
apparently lost his mind and started blowing up her phone,
demanding to know where she was, who she was with,
what she was doing. She had to silence her phone
through the night because he had called her so many times,
according to the witnesses a trial. But the next day
he changed his tactics. He called her and said I
(32:54):
want to visit my kids, and Kiara wasn't the kind
of mother to keep the children away from their father,
no matter how big of a pain in the backside
he was to her, so she agreed to meet him
in a Kroger. But when they got the Kroger in Latonia,
mister Payne changed his tune and said, no, I want
to keep the kids overnight. So she said, well, I
didn't pack an overnight bag or a diaper bag for
(33:14):
the baby. Said we've got to go back to my
house and get that stuff, and they did, and when
they got back there, he started trying to talk himself inside.
She wouldn't let him inside, and she says, I'm not
interested in this. I've moved on. I've got a new boyfriend.
And when she went to literally close the front door
of her house and closed the door on their relationship,
mister Payne produced a three eighty caliber handgun and shot
(33:37):
her four times at point blank range. This was in
front of numerous members of miss Lane's family, all who
were over at her residence at the time of her killing,
and he killed her right in front of her little
sister and with an earshot of a number of different
family members who were just up the stairs and came
running down to find Caroline taking her last breaths just
(33:58):
inside the front doorway of her RESI. Mister Payne fled
the scene and Covington police put out. You know, it
was all hands on deck. Every detective in the crime
bureau got called out. They investigated the case. Detective Jim
Lindeman got an arrest warrant for mister Payne and he
was found five days later down in Louisville, Kentucky, and
police down there arrested him, shipped him back to us.
(34:21):
Took us two years, almost two years to get him
to trial because mister Payne was feigning mental illness and
claimed he wasn't competent to stand trial. But the folks
that do the evaluations for the state did his psychiatric evaluation.
He said, now this guy's the joker. He's just faking.
In fact, he's faking worse than anybody we've ever seen
trying fake mental incompetence to stand trial. So we finally
(34:42):
got him called the trial on Tuesday. Took us three
days to get the trial done. Willie, and we celebrated
your birthday late last night, just after five o'clock with
a life sentence from the jury, and I look forward
to mister Payne's final sentencing in front of Judge Kathy
late in February of next year. I anticipate she will
impose the jury sentence and send mister Payne off to
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Eddieville at our state penitentiary for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
At least, maybe longer after he's dead, keep him for
another year or two. I would point out to my left,
a Michigan man, the judge in the case of Sharon
Moore posted a allowed him to post upon a twenty
five thousand dollars which he's got in his front right
pocket for home invasion and a whole bunch of other
felonies along with misdemeanors. But nonetheless, as far as mister
(35:28):
pain is concerned, and by the way, they've ordered a
mental evaluation for the head football coach of Michigan. Nonetheless,
we'll see what happens with that. So the probability of
this judge, who's a good judge in Kenton County, Payne's
going to get the rest of his life in prison
at least. And how's the rest of how the kid's doing?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Well? The kids are being raised by their grandmother and
by the This is a pretty extended family lots here,
had lots of brothers and sisters, cousins. She is, her
parents are split up. She's got a big family on
both her mom's side and her dances side that are
all pitching in to help raise her. Two babies that
are now only two and four years old, not old
(36:12):
enough to know what happened to their mother. The older
one I think knows Mommy's in heaven, but that's about it.
The younger, youngest one is still too small, too tender
of age, to explain things too. But none of these
kids realized that not only has mommy gone, but she
was murdered and our dad was their killer. It's just
a horrible thing. We talked about this to try. One
(36:33):
of the reasons mister Payne deserves a life sentence is
because he robbed not just care of her life, but
he robbed his own children of their mother. And he's
going to cause his own children to be raised without
a father in the home. Because mister Payne will be
locked in cage for the rest of his life, and
rightfully so.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Olet's see what happens down the road and awfully said,
and the head football coach of Michigan could have done
the same thing as Paints.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Said, in a really bad direction. There everything that I've
read in the media is through about that case. Willy.
It's a good thing that they caught up to him
when they did.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and murder suicide. You know, many times murder just
precedes suicide. He could easily have killed Paige, his girlfriend
who worked for him, and by the way, her income
doubled in the last year while he was having sex
with her. And then after a while she said, I
can't do this anymore. I just can't keep doing this.
(37:28):
It's hurting you, hurting me. My friend is your wife,
and I can't keep doing this. And that's when the
stalking and other crimes committed, and Michigan authorities knew about
it but wanted a way to after the Ohigh State game.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
And so there's another lesson in this story, Willy. It's
don't DoorDash your abortion drugs to your head football coach's office.
You know, if you're going to engage in this kind
of activity, which is bad enough that this coach was doing,
but definitely don't use door dash to get your abortion
drugs delivered to the head football office at the University
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Unless Jeron Morris transgender, I don't think he had much
need for abortion drugs. Maybe that was a Maybe that
was a tip, a little queue right there. Maybe something's
Of course, the Michigan family knew about it and did
nothing because of the big game coming up. Well, we
got to run Rob Sanders once again. Thanks for coming on.
You've been my most frequent guest this year. You've been
(38:20):
on fourteen times. Joe Dieters held that record for a while,
but now that he's got a muzzle on him, he
can't talk. You're the number one guest this year, and
I think number three things Rob. Number one, your knowledgeable,
Number two, you have a great radio voice, and number
three you're accessible. You put those things to three things together, substance,
voice and accessibility. You're number one in my book.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
Well, Willie, it's been an honor and a pleasure. If
I'm not mistaken, I was your very first guest of
twenty twenty five when you came back from vacation from
your break. Yes, and I've got to be I guess
now one of your last ones. So it's been an honor,
a pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy Birthday to you, Bill,
Marry Christmas, to the People's Judge, to Tony Bender, Seg,
Rocky DJ Hodge, all my friends at seven hundred WLW,
(39:07):
the number one fan of the Bill Cunningham Show, Ross
Fine and everybody. I hope you have a safe, happy
and healthy New Year. And I look forward Willie to
hopefully talking to yes, talking to you on your very
first show, and.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
You will be, you will be.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Let's run it back. We're gonna defend this title two
years in a row of the number one guest on
the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
You you'll be my first guest in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Rob, thank you very much, excellent Willie, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
God bless you. Let's continue with more. There's Rob Sanders.
Let's continue after two o'clock. Today is a report from
Puerto Rico about what's happening in Venezuela and Moore. Bill
Cunningham News Radio, seven hundred WULW, brot Row.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm very serious, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
I hope you don't pass judgment because we don't know
the facts of the case.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
We don't know the whole story.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I'm just glad everyone and this is all right, and there's
no acting that no one is injured, because it could
have been a lot worse. It was very serious issue.
Early tonight, around five o'clock, Bill Cunningham was in an
action involving another vehicle, even though he didn't I'm reading
the news account here, even though he didn't cause the accident.
He was given a field sobriety test and Bill Cunningham
failed that field sobriety test. He was also given a
(40:20):
blood test. No word on the result of that test.
End of statement. Very serious charge, serious accusation. I'm glad
that no one was injured in this thing. No word
comments from Steven R. Adams if that's indeed who was
involved in this thing with representation, But just wanted you
(40:42):
to have that story before the news came out, before
the smear campaigns began. Everyone makes mistakes and I'll just
leave it at that. Our thoughts and prayers though with
mister Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Hello, quiet, I'm broadcasting the right the remains silent.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Anything I can we'll be using against me in a
qrrel By the way, at five o'clock yesterday I was
on the air, by the way, with the rock and
with Eddie, one might ask that question, thank you. The
truth never gets in the way of a story by
Scott Sloan. Not fore it's not an impediment. Correct the
two thousand, By the way, Steven R. Adams is dead.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yes, God bless him.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Nonetheless, he was killed tragically by a person who is
now serving a serious time in state prisoner is warrible.
You refuse to comment, say no to the po po Well,
well he was killed, really murdered, I thought by a vehicle.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
But that's the difference. I love Steven R. Adams, loved him.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You refuse to talk about Michigan football. Should they get
the death penalty? Yes, the death penalty? Man, who's going
to give it to him? There's no NCAA, there's no group.
Well do you think the Big ten's going to say
you're done? I would I would too, What did your own?
Speaker 6 (42:09):
More?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And now he's out on bond. He had a Michigan
man as the judge. Yeah, no, kidding, too bad.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
The guy didn't go to Michigan State to get a
life in prison in the electric chair.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And so I explained everything that happened and honed it
and you know, just stupid.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
He's an expert on lap dancing.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I'm turned will he the stude reporters of proud service,
every local teme star heating in conditioning dealers tame star quality.
You could feel in southeastern Indiana called Joe x Stein
at x Stein Heating and Cooling at eight one, two, nine,
three to two, twenty twenty six and your coach your
own more. Will He abruptly fired this week charge Friday
(42:49):
with three crimes, including home invasion, well stalking a person
he dated.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
He spent the last two nights in jail. I bet
uh and uh.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Let's see fired for at the school called an inappropriate
relationship with a staff.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Member and abortion drugs delivered. It was went to and we.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Went to the ladies house with a knife. Yeah, broke in.
So he's out on twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
He's got the ankle monitor on.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Talk to Mordecai Black Patrick Detratcher about those things. Yeah,
college basketball, Zavier is going to close out the non
conference play tonight william against Missouri State at six thirty
on seven hundred WLW. You are sick tomorrow, Cincinnati Bear
Caps in Georgia. One thirty here on seven hundred WLW
What doubleheader on ESPN fifteen thirty the home of Tony Pike?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Is he still here?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
One thirty at NKU and Bellerman in Indiana and Kentucky
at six nine oh no, Miami takes on Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
You're out of your mind.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
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Or in northern Kentucky. I don't know where they are.
Thirteen locations there.
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Speaker 2 (44:01):
What can you tell me about you?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
And a certain attractive WBN morning co host Sarah Elise Nothing?
Have you had abortion drugs delivered in your office? No?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
No, you're sure? Yeah? Okay, go ahead. T Higgins out
for Sunday than concussion protocol. I think that's what I have.
Shamar Stewart is doubtful. What he's not playing again?
Speaker 5 (44:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
What's he goin? Who picked this out? Twenty twenty seven?
Are you serious? He'll come back in twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
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It'll be big with starts still not playing.
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Live at the Holy Grail. Didn't he hold off his one?
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He wanted the language right in this country, so made
millions more right.
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And he can't play.
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Bruce Kazerski Heisman Trophy. It's gonna be awarded tomorrow night.
(45:14):
About Indiana, Well, I think Fernando Mendoza. Can we call
him Fernando Tatis? I love that name. You know they
may trade him the quarterback of Indiana. No, the Padres Padres?
What if he comes here? Start that rumor? I don't
believe it when I see it. Kyle Schwarber back to
(45:35):
the field, quarterback Mina coming to Bengals. Is that what
you're saying? Yeah, yeah, Fernando Tatis, speaking of the red
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on sale can't wait at reds dot com slash Spring.
I'm just saying that, if you're a mission, should they
get the death penalty for this Michigan football?
Speaker 2 (45:55):
What does the weed man say? Where's Tom Weiedman? Can?
He can't find him? He's under the cover, he's in
the bunker.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
They got eleven coaches have been disciplined crimes Dave, Dave,
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
He went to Syracuse, Dave, Were you sure?
Speaker 6 (46:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
He's not sure? Okay, did you mean yes or no?
By saying yes, Wait a minute, yes, yes, no, maybe
yes no? Maybe? What is it? No or yes?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
What kind of shape did Jim Harbaugh leave Michigan. That's
the only guy that's Scott Free. I know he's in
LA right now, living on a beach in a motor home.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Should they give the death penalty? They give the death penalty. Yes,
they didn't do anything. They've done a lot, but they
haven't been caught yet. Lear's prime market. That brings our lunch.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
I plan to grow from this, and I'm sincerely saddened
by the fact that I let some people down and
didn't do things as well as I could possibly do.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
It's a Lieutenant Governor Deluxe Delhi located in beautiful downtown Milford.
Lee's Lears Prime all dot com. Lear's Prime always a
cut above. By the way, Hamny County Prosecutor County Pillage
is dropping the case of the murderer Elwood Jones. We're
gonna have on, Joe Dieters tells me, despite the order
of the Chief Justice Sharon Kennedy, who says to Joe,
(47:17):
know your role and shut your mouth. According to some
Joe Dieters will come on Monday to talk about Elwood Jones,
the prosecutor, and also Mark Petemeyer how he murdered that
woman wrote there in a blue ash motel and got
out of it. So are you willing to well, Joe
Deeters have the guts to come on Justice Joe on Monday.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
You kidney, he'd be on every day if he would.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
What does Sharon Kennedy say, know your role and shut
your mouth. Oh, she's the Chief Justice. I would say
that she's telling the calm down Joe. He's like the
Tony Bender of the Supreme Court or around here. Elwood
Jones a murder. Tony Bender tells you not to do nothing.
Judge in Hamliny County gave him an O R bomb
off death throw.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Does that go to bed? By the way, have you
had any abortion? You have a lawyer? What do I know?
I don't like that. Have you had abortion drugs? You
refuse to answer the national Have you had abortion drugs?
Speaker 6 (48:08):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Sent to your office? No, like they had football coach
in Michigan. Hell, have you have you gotten pills?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I would never have an abortion, By the way, I
would never pay for an abortion.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I'd never counsel. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Abortion is killing babies, correct, I'm kind of against that.
I would say football coach in Michigan. Should Michigan you know,
I answer the question, should they get the death penalty?
Should they get rid of Michigan football completely?
Speaker 2 (48:33):
What do you say? Yes?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Me too, I'd say five years because there's just like
smu ever since Harball left, seven or eight people have
gotten in trouble out. Yeah, and that that was part
of that program. But only one's going to and he's
and he's in a win of bago on Laguna Luna,
Laguna Seca beach out there in California near Cape Coral.
I have a double wine. I like a double wine.
(48:56):
Nothing wrong with a double wife. I said, it's it's now,
get me out of the stud's report. After one o'clock
we have a live report from Puerto Rico about Puerto
Ricans and Venezuelans coming to America.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
We're going to war with them, aren't we. I have
no idea.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Willie and I have a beautiful day, but a warning
winter storm warning for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Michigan football the death penalty. We leave you with the
immortal words of the stood report. We've all made out
with each other? Have you made out with Sarah? Just
nout at you? Are you sure we've all made out
with each other?
Speaker 6 (49:32):
Her a liar?
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, I want to say that again.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yes, there's rumors ablaze, most like really need a spanking?
Speaker 2 (49:43):
You want to spanky?
Speaker 4 (49:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
She said you have you broken into any lover's homes
recently with a knife?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I haven't you. Let me think seven hundred W.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
L W.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Every day I get up,
there's a new crisis somewhere in the world. This is
on top of the problems here at home, and news
nation is following all of it. And Robert Sherman is
the News Nation foreign correspondent. He's reported from Ukraine, from Israel.
Now he's in Puerto Rico keeping an eye in Venezuela.
(50:22):
And I think many Americans have no idea because most
of us are concerned with their own lives as to
what's happening in Venezuela. And hopefully it turns out well.
But nonetheless, Robert Sherman, I think you're headquartered right now
in Puerto Rico keeping an eye eye on to the south,
the east, on Porter on the Venezuela. And Robert Sherman,
Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
can you, in a general way tell the average American
(50:45):
living in Dubuque, Iowa, what the hell's going on in
our involvement in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Can you explain that to the American people?
Speaker 6 (50:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:52):
First, and four months, you know, I'm sitting outside Roosevelt
Roads Naval Station, and I could tell you it's very
active with the way that I'm seeing thirty fives and
osprey's taking off and landing rather constantly. So I mean
there's no smoke and mirrors. The US military is here.
That's for sure. And in terms of why Venezuela, you know,
the argument that the Trump administration is making is that
(51:14):
they are, you know, effectively one of the central cogs
in this whole illegal drug operation that is moving fentanyl
and other drugs to the United States, and they believe
that Nicholas Maduro regime plays a central role in all
of that. So, I mean, we have seen them now
destroying boats that are you know, off the coast of Venezuela.
(51:35):
We've now seen them seizing oil tankers to hit Venezuela economically.
Here in the President has said the door is open,
you know, for the possibility of this to expand to
ground operations, to anything of the kind. But he's playing
his cards close to the vets.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Well, it could be ugly, I can I wish I
had a crystal ball to see how this turns out. Also,
the President is concerned about Columbia. We've we've had a
war on drugs since I don't know forty or fifty,
but this war might become a real war. So when
you're at the naval base and you watch what's going on.
You've been to Ukraine, you've been to Israel, reporting for
News Nation and my good friend Sean Compton from there.
(52:11):
But as a reporter, you're looking around, You're thinking something
big is about to happen. I think maybe it's going
to be standoff weapons of one type or another. The
Maduro regime followed up on Chavez, and of course Chavez
took the one of the richest nations in South America,
not the richest, and destroyed it. But Dura's doing the
same thing. Is it your sense that the goal of
(52:33):
the administration is to take away the lifeline, which is money,
and because at this point I can't imagine how much
normal trade happening. It's all about drugs. Do you think
money is at the heart of this and taking away
money from the drug trade big.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Time, big time. I mean you saw that the way
that they seized this Venezuelan oil tanker. I mean that
is the lifeline for Venezuela as the distribution of oil.
And they say that the ship was part of the
so called shadow fleet. Just a few weeks ago, I
was in the Baltic Sea as we were tracking the
shadow fleet that was trying to illegally move oil from
Russia out to the Atlantic. And they use these ships
(53:09):
that are you know, massed, you know, pak ownership structures,
and are flying false flags, you know, like the country
It might say it's a Marshall Island ship, but it's
really not. You know, this ship was flying the flag
of Guyana, and Guyana just came out and said, no way,
that's not our ship. You know, that was ultimately seized
by the US, you know, I mean, so there you
(53:30):
have it right there. I mean, this is the length
that countries like Venezuela will go in order to get
around American sanctions on oil, all for the sake of money,
all for the sake of the economy. So the Trump
administration is hitting them where it hurts most.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
And that's money, of course.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And we have a war on drugs, and this is
the first president that really conducted a war on drugs.
I can't conceive of the American people supporting a ground
invasion of Venezuela in which American men and women are
going to be killed on the battlefields of Cararacas. I
can't imagine that. That's not the way warfare is conducted today.
And the goal, of course, is they have the Venezuelan
(54:08):
government change. And I found something interesting that there was
a Democrat elected the mayor of Miami for the first
time in like thirty years. And during one of the
interviews she only did them on MSNBC, of course, she
referenced the fact that in date Miami Dade County, there's
one hundred thousand Venezuelans living in Miami Dade County. So
that nation of several tens of millions is emptying out
(54:31):
and they're coming to America. So although drugs may be
at the heart of this venezon can you imagine one
hundred thousand Venezuelans living in Miami Dade County because of
what Madura's doing in Caracas?
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, you know, I mean you see,
you know, in the way that that has an impact
on American politics, you know, and some of those Venezuelans,
you know, I mean are people you know who you know,
really resent the ideas of socialism. As a result of that,
really you know, have embraced you know, more capitalist policies
and you want to absolutely nothing to do with that,
you know. But I mean, this is an accusation that
(55:03):
the Trump administration has made, is that some you know,
are you know, political prisoners, you know, from Venezuela or
people that Venezuela does not want in their country and
are sending them to the US. I mean, I covered
that US Mexico border for a couple of years and
you would be amazed. I mean there was one year
where it was like one hundred and sixty three different
countries of origin were found down at that border. I mean,
(55:26):
it is it is really amazing, you know, like the
magnet effect that was in effect. You know when the
immigration policies and border enforcement was different under previous administrations.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
It probably elected Trump to the presidency because Americans living
in the Midwest could not put up with the idea
of tens of millions flooding into our country costing a
friggin fortune. And I'm still waiting for maybe so called
CBS allegedly the Great News magazine sixty minutes to spend
time in Minnesota to find out how many billions of
(55:57):
dollars have been looted by the Somalis. But that's a
different issue. The book has lessons from the front. Let's
touch on briefly if we can Ukraine. You were there,
and when I look at the Ukraine, you're on the
front lines in the Ukraine for News Nation. Talk to
me about what the peace plan, the twenty eight twenty
nine point peace plan, which is going nowhere, and Russia
(56:18):
right now is stuck there like they were stuck in Afghanistan.
They can't get in, they can't get out, and of
course I don't think Ukraine can ever win the war
if Russia wants to win it. What are your observations
from the front when it comes to Ukraine and the
ability that we have to effectuate Russian behavior, you know,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
I actually had the privilege of spending some time at
the Ukrainian Presidential Palace with President Zelenski, you know, a
couple of weeks before all this came down, and I
think something you know that often gets missed in the
American circles right now where the lines are. Ukraine currently
controls some very strategic heights in the don Bas region
(56:54):
which Russia has not been able to take. So Russia
wants a deal in which Ukraine just willfully gives those
up because Russia's military has not shown that they've been
able to take them. The reason that becomes long term
problematic for Ukraine is that they believe when President Trump
leaves office and that force of deterrence, by their eyes,
leaves office, the door is open for Russia to launch
(57:17):
a third invasion from a much better strategic position. So
that's why there's no way that Ukraine can go for
this deal that is currently on the table. Now it
might change, you know, if the battle lines are frozen,
you know, there might be a way in which Ukraine
will allow Russia to have governance over it. They will
never give up their claim to that region of Ukraine
without question. But I mean, that's the big thing here
(57:39):
is Ukraine is thinking what happens after President Trump leaves office,
because while they believe that there won't be more advances
under this administration, there is going to be a forty
eighth president and nobody knows who it is yet.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
I think maybe Shapings waiting for the same thing with Taiwan.
Taiwan they do not want Trump in office when they
invade Taiwan, and I think I think everyone across the
world is waiting for another Joe Biden to take office
and things of that character to see what happens. And lastly,
lessons from the Front. Israel Israel's America's best friend in
the Middle East. The only functional democracy. I spent about
(58:14):
ten days there just before the October sixth events took place,
which was very fortuitous in my part. But what are
your observations of Middle East peace relative to Gaza? I
looked at a story that News Nation had also which
said that Hamas had sequestered away tons of food for
the children of Gaza in order to make them starve,
(58:37):
so that the blame would be put on the Jews
for not feeding the children. The food was just wasting
away in warehouses. Hamas wanted to use the death of
children in Gaza as a political pool, political weapon against Israel.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
What's your observations in Israel lessons from.
Speaker 4 (58:54):
The front, you know, I mean, while I was inside
of Gaza a few weeks ago, we saw firsthand im
in the links that Hamas will go in order to
control aid distribution. This is a long standing problem there.
There are un studies, you know, that go back to
two thousand and eight that document how Hamas uses aid
distribution in order to exert control over the population. And
(59:15):
it seems as though since the ceasefire has taken hold,
Hamas has been able to get a stronger footing over
the last couple of weeks now that said. You know,
when I was in Gaza and speaking with some of
the Palestinians there, you know, they were saying things that
that you can imagine they've been at war with Israel,
and they said that they hated Israel. But many of
them were also saying, we hate Hamas too. That is
such a market change because for years people have been
(59:40):
so afraid in Gaza to speak out against Hamas because
it leads to dire consequences in almost all cases. So
you're hearing people speak out against Hamas more, you're hearing
dissenting voices. I mean, the big thing is is getting
through this phase two of the deal, and I don't
see any way in which Hamas goes quietly here. You
(01:00:00):
know what I would say, you know, is is that
the president has this broader vision of you know, what
he wants, and he wants it in which there's peace
between Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia. It all begins, you know
what happens in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Robert Sherman. Lastly, I'm looking at two headlines. One says
Hamas hid tons of infant formula nutritional shakes to smear
Israel for more than two years, the pro Palestinian crowd,
including many Democrats, accused Israel of starving people a genocide
in Gaza. It turns out it was a lie, and
here's proof that Hamas hid tons of baby formula to
(01:00:36):
hurt children and damage Israel. Another headline out of Nigeria.
Out of terrible parts of the world, Nigeria is just
one of them. But also what's happening in Western Africa.
Bodies discovered a suspected oregon harvesting ring in a hotel,
and the story points out that when in Nigeria, for example,
(01:00:58):
that when the horrible circumstances are happening against Christians and Catholics,
which is the attack on Christianity, that the girls become
forced prostitutes and the older people become organ harvesting rings
in which there pankrists their kidney are sold in the
open market. So on one hand, I look at what's
happening in Venezuela, which is awful. I look at what's
(01:01:20):
happening in Israel with Hamas killing its own people and
pinning it on the Jews. I look at what's about
to happen in Taiwan, and I think about what's happening
in the Ukraine with the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
Six thousand Russian soldiers are killed or mortally wounded every
every week. Same thing happening in the Ukraine. And I
ask you this question, Robert Sherman, what is the shape
(01:01:41):
of the world today?
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
See you know that?
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
That really brings me to the conclusion of my book.
You know that is now out and on shelves.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Is that I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
When I went over to Ukraine and saw war for
the first time firsthand, I was just a twenty five
year old kid from Cleveland, Ohio who didn't really know
much about the world, didn't really have a deep understanding,
and it opened my eyes to the naivete and the
threats that exist around the world. Growing up in Cleveland, Ohio,
I used to walk along the shores of Lake Erie
(01:02:14):
and never once in my life did I say I'm
so grateful I don't see enemy warships on the horizon.
I now say that now, because the world is such
a dangerous place and I truly had no idea how
good we have it in America. These are headlines that
we are reading around the world. They're not happening in Cleveland, Ohio.
(01:02:35):
They're not happening in Youngstown, They're not happening in Toledo. Yes,
there are complexities in the United States. Yes there are
problems that need to be addressed in the United States.
But we're not like the Estonians who spent the summer
digging anti tank trenches fearing that they could be invaded
every day. We're not like the Ukrainians who are sleeping
(01:02:56):
in metro stations every night, fearing that they're going that
they might not the sunrise. That's my big message is
that come back. I don't have any answers to the world.
I am no geopolitical expert, but I do feel confident
and we should all be grateful that we are Americans.
To the front of our passports, says the United States
of America, because we just have it so good and
(01:03:17):
there are so many dangers out there that don't impact
our communities every day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Let's conclude it there, Robert Sherman, the book would be
great for Christmas Lessons from the Front. The biggest problem
in Cleveland is the Browns, and of course the Guardians.
The biggest problem in Cincinnati is Cincinnati and Joe Joe
Burrow's unhappy with making sixty million dollars a year, He
may say, the heck with it. I don't want to
make sixty million dollars. I'm unhappy. How many people get
(01:03:45):
up every day to go to work who are unhappy?
How many people have to support themselves and their family
doing drudgery jobs they'd rather not do. And Joe Burrows
angry about making sixty million dollars a year. And if
I'm not having fun, damn it, I'm quitting. What would
are Ukrainian Estonian? Joe Burrow Man, I'm making sixty.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Mil and I'm just unhappy. I'm not having fun.
Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Hey, hey, I'm not What would do Ukrainian say about that,
Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, are you listening?
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Pay attention?
Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
They would say, what a great problem to have, which
we could trade places with you all in Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Lessons from the Front to Robert Sherman, You're a great
American and thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And I'd like to do it again. And Robert, thank
you very much. Thank you so much for having me.
Appreciate it. God bless America. Let's continue with more. I
watched again, Joe Burrow's news conference on Tuesday, and I
saw a twenty eight about to become a twenty nine
year old, unhappy, not having fun. Bill Cunningham, News Radio
(01:04:42):
seven hundreds.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Wow. The person arrested is William Cunningham.
Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
He'll be arraigned in court tomorrow. Oh hello, hello.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Byet and I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Guy.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
The person arrested is William Cunningham. Will be arraigned in
court tomorrow. What do you do now?
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Can't say? Jeez, that's Brian Colembs. That's got to be
that AI stuff, isn't it. Yes, because I've done nothing wrong.
I've retired undefeated, untied, unscored on let's know that. Yeah,
we have more allegations about your own more boy and
Paige a shiver?
Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Now is he is he out? He's out?
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
He's five thousand dollars. But the most important part, you
know how valuable of those ankle bracelets are?
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Oh yeah, they keep everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
So the Michigan man who's on the bench gave Sharon
more twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
He's gotten his front and right pocket. So then that
monitor is monitored by somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
They can tell that you immediately just talk to Patrick
Heringer's widow about that.
Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Oh, that's a different issue. But I want to give
you more of the facts. Okay, you care about facts
or just your opinion? That's what this show is all about. More,
the head football coach in Michigan, allegedly, according to barged
into his lover's residence. Yeah, grabbed a butter knife and
a pair of kitchen scissors, then began threatening his own life.
Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I will bleed out in front of you. What a
butter knife? Correct? I've got to dig deep on that one.
Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
According to prosecutors, More allegedly told the staffer Paige Shiver,
quote my blood is on your hands and quote you
ruined my life. Unquote, He went after her bingo when
he accused her of quote my blood is on your hands.
Quote you ruined my life. Prosecutors also claim this afternoon
(01:06:38):
that More, the head football coach of Michigan, terrorized the
staffer that they believed him to be a risk at
public safety and requested a high bond. The Michigan Man,
good friend of Tom Weedman, so I'm told, gave More
a bond of twenty five thousand dollars with conditions and
included regular mental health evaluations. You got to be crazy
if you go to Michigan anyway, being fitted with his
(01:07:01):
GPS tracking device, no contact of any kind with the victim,
and remaining in the state of Michigan. We don't want
him in Ohio. No worry about that. They'll go to Canada.
And abortion pills are delivered to Moore's executive assistant, who,
by the way, was paid shivers. But it was delivered
to Sharon Moore, who gave the abortion pills to the lover, who,
(01:07:24):
by the way, is not a friend her of his wife.
And then last night they were going to fire the ad.
Now apparently they've they've they've changed their mind and he's
still on the job. What yeah say that again? The
ad was like let go. Supposedly let go last night,
but then this morning I looked at it and he's like, well,
he's still keeping his job. According to him, many a
(01:07:45):
mess up there. Well, should Michigan football get the death penalty?
Todd Waite them all up is still hiding right now,
whether they're like number two in the nation in basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And Barry Larkin, the great Reds player, says he knows nothing,
but he's a Michigan man too. Well, that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Shouldn't Michigan Michigan get the death penalty? Did something and
then give something to Jim Harbaugh. He's the one who
started all this. He got all the coaches, inter sanctions,
he got he got the guy to videotape other other
teams and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Run them out. Now he's in the National Football League.
The Michigan alumni say, next, go after Ohio State. What
I said, what Irvin Meyer's gone? He didn't, right? Does
Ryan Day do lap dances anymore?
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I don't think so. He just goes out and win,
well except for Indiana. But how about maybe they'll play
him again? Could Ryan Day coach Michigan? No way, are
you kidding? Bill Belichick coach Michigan, John Gruden coach now Michigan.
Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Well, I don't know about that, but I get well,
you know what it would be. It would be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
If it would be perfect if Belichick would go to
Michigan with then that would that would Jordan the soap
opera Jordan Hudson Right now, what about de boor from Alabam?
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
What I'm worried about is.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
What about Kerry Combe's Is he still employed know you
don't know what did Kerry Combs know and when did
he know it?
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I don't think he knew anything. How do you know
what he knew? I know you do not know.
Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
The Homo Audie.
Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Elmore, Tom Woman still cannot be in fact, his allegation
can't find him. Tom Weiedman's Sycamore Township Trust Team Michigan
Faithful is under a bed somewhere, hiding out, sucking on
a passivefire one NKU and Bellerman then six o'clock Indiana
takes on Kentucky. What did you know about Kelly Moore's
relationship the wife with Paige Shiver?
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
What did you know about that? In Winda? I don't
care about ann Arbor. I don't care about Michigan.
Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I worry about the Ohio State Buckeyes, Apording and Tom
Weedman There next nine and O Miami up against Eastern
Kentucky and North Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Dateon tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Let's see.
Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
T Higgins out for on Sunday concussion protocol Shamar Stewart
out doubtful.
Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Can you cut him and recover any money? I don't
think so.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
How about him holding out for more money and more
better language? He didn't play anyway? Probably next year US
Bengals covered Sunday nine am with the Arnold Carriers pre
game sports talk shovers that have I since it a
Northern Kentucky toilet dealers will be live from the Holy
Grail brew Mow and Pike kickoff is at one. It's
going to be cold Sunday too. I'll col high of
(01:11:11):
twelve degrees. What does Dave Lapham say about that it's
gonna be cold?
Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Is he going to play?
Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
Who?
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Dave Lapham right? He probably played played better than anybody
on that line. He's good at freezer bles. Tri State
Chevy Dealers post game show, presented by Arnel Carriers will
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the one and only Bruce Kazerski.
Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
He could play offensive line? Was he number sixty four?
Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think you're right. I think you're right. We check
that out.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Heisman Trophy going to be awarded tomorrow night in New
York City. Well among the finalist Ohio States Julian Sayan
and also Indiana's Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I'm going with Fernando Tatis.
Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think so because he's won the Walter Camp Award,
the AP Player of the Year and all that. If
you win all that, you're probably gonna be winn the
Heisman and he plays for the Podres, doesn't he? Yeh
rides update single game tickets for red Spring training home games.
This will make You Warm on sale right now at
reds dot com Slash Spring. The Cactus League opener right
(01:12:15):
now is set for February twenty first against those Guardians,
a good to year ballpark. Unless I got a telephone
call in a message from Justice showed Eaters, you might
recall it. I'm an admant life. He was a prosecutor.
He wonder what I remember that, But if they believe
the coming, that was a long time ago. He wants
to come in next week to talk about the Elwood
(01:12:36):
Jones matter. When that guy murdered Rhoda and Blue Ash
and these seeking dispensation from the Chief Justice Sharon Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Why does she come in with him? She can't.
Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
They we'll have royalty here. Remember what Sharon tells Joe,
know your role and shut your mouth. North Carolina offensive
coordator Freddie Kitchens and special teams coordator Mike Peiffer out
at North Carolina after that four and eight season with Belichick.
Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
What does Shordan Hutchins say?
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
North Carolina's offense was one of the worst in the
country Raking ranking one hundred and nineteenth in points per
game in one hundred and twenty ninth in total offense.
Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Rocky Boyman says he's not going to coach next year.
How to come here?
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
According to Countie Pillage, she is unsure that Edward Jones,
murdered Rhoda, Joe Dieters and Mark Petemeyer, who tried the
case itself thirty years ago, will be here sitting there
someday next week to refute the charges of Countie Pillage.
Pittsburgh Steelers star defensive lineman TJ. Watt underwent surgery today
(01:13:43):
to repair a partially collapse lung suffered yesterday in practice.
He's unlikely to play Monday night against the Miami dolphinscording
a Rocky Boyman, if the Steelers lose three of their
next four and the Bengalis win the next four.
Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
If that had'll make number nine very happy.
Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Well, if you were making sixty million dollars a year,
would you be unhappy? Would you be having any fun
at all?
Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
You have no fun, do you?
Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I tell you one thing.
Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Right now, they're saying that he's probably going to be
likely get traded to the Minnesota Vikings. What I don't
know who that ESPN said that today he's one of
the likely candidates if he's traded to the Minnesota Vikings
Joe Burrow. They had like five teams listed. He's gonna
get traded.
Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I don't think so. I gonna get rid of No,
not trading him. I'm just saying ESPN saying that, not me.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
They don't know what they're talking about. Y Rocky Boyman
knows what he's talking about. Say get me out of
the Student's Report. All my investigation, all week and long
will continue of the relationship between Jordan Hudson and Sharon.
Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Moore, will he and houtter of a snowy weekend upon us.
Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Everybody stay safe and warm out there and watch the roads,
especially tomorrow with the winter storm warning.
Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
We leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report,
like I'm too.
Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
Old to really Yeah, you'll be like this time next year,
Willy will be like, please.
Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Don't even look my way, not that you're my age.
Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
I know.
Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
When Willy stops checking you out, that's when you know
it's over. I still need him to be a PERV
with me. I need for myself.
Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Lily is a PERV with you. I've seen it first. Fine,
I'm like coming up in a few minutes here. Well, well, Sarah.
If I were younger, I would I would gladly engage
in coitus with you. What do you like to engage
in coitus? But as soon as a dirty coal dir
talk dirty to me, will say coitus again, coitus. I
enjoyed coitus, but once that's cos I know.
Speaker 9 (01:15:42):
But I think I did hit a point where I'm like,
oh my god. Dudes in like their sixties and seventies
are like, no, she's way too old.
Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
You're too old, you've aged out.
Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Oh my god, eighties, nineties one death bad.
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I can't see make it in the well that
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I know nothing, Yeah, I know nothing butter knives and
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.