4-7-26 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with the architect of the Banks Tom Gableman about the lack of safety in the Queen City. Also Casey Flemming previews what could happen in Iran tonight after 8pm. Finally Chris Towner explains why we are in big trouble when it comes to our national debt.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
My Billy Cunningham, The Great America. And this is Twoday
afternoon in the tri State, also Bridge Day and water
Day and power plant Day. We'll see what happens eight
o'clock tonight. I've said to Tony Benner's a great supporter
of Donald Trump. I hope he knows what he's doing.
I really hope knows what he's doing, because we'll find
out later tonight. Is it a bluff or is it real?
At some point you had quit bluff and you got

(00:27):
to show your cards. And right now there's women in
burkas circling around the desalination plants, and there's a bunch
of school kids out in front of the cell towers
and they were on And I don't know what's going
to happen. Stay tuned for more, but until then we
have problems in River City. Nonetheless, Tom Gableman was the
architect of the Banks he was out of for about
thirty years, and attorney, and he was the guy that

(00:51):
largely gave us, among other things, a pay course stadium
in my ballpark, the Great American. And he was the
designer and he put up a great column in the
inquir called Cincinnati Mustock. Now to protect this riverfront. And
Tom Gableman, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. So
tell us, generally speaking, how concerned are you about the
safety at the banks that you designed? I'll call you Kofu.

(01:14):
You built the great pyramids along the Nile. So Tom Gableman,
are you concerned? Willie? If you were down there on
opening day? I was until four o'clock then I got.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Out well, And actually I was down there with our
family and walking walking out of the ballpark. Even though
the Red's lost, they're on a great winning streak now
for the Red's loss, but the crowd was still excited.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
You know why.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It was a great day. It was a fun day
opening a day in Cincinnati should be. It's a national holiday,
it's a holiday in our city. And our kids grew up,
they were off school. We hit him down at the
game this opening day and to see the crowd before
the game gather around the banks at the riverfront. You
had one hundred thousand people there all having a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Which is what you intended.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Absolutely, And because it didn't happen when we had old
Synergy field, that never happened. But now we've got great
crowds for the Opening Day parade. We've got people gathering
before the game at ten o'clock in the morning. My
kids used to fly in from all wherever they were
going to college to be there for Opening Day. People
want to be there, they're having a great time. But
I tell you, there was nothing worse than to see

(02:21):
when we walked out at seven point thirty after the game,
the crowd had already begun to change. The vibe was
already different. I didn't understand why quite frankly, but since
then have looked into it to figure out what that
issue was. We made a conscious decision to walk down
Second Street rather than Freedom Way because of the difference
in that crowd. And it wasn't the crowd that was

(02:44):
there to celebrate the game, no, it was it was
what we learned and what we found out. It was
basically something that's called the teen takeover at a teen
takeover our city, which started earlier that day at Washington Park,
and the police were there. They tried to basically bring
order back to it, and that group just moved down

(03:04):
the Fountain Square and from there they went down to
the banks with stun guns, with paintball guns, with mace
and you go into a crowd, and a crowd begins
to panic and they move, and then all of a sudden,
the wall of police, which I have frankly never seen
until this year, a wall of police along Joe Knucks
all Way for Opening Day crowd. Everybody's in a great mood.

(03:27):
We're celebrating Cincinnati, the oldest team in baseball. And they
put the police in a position where their life could
be placed on the line. How are they going to react?
How are they going to react? And to see that
happen in our city and to go and eventually, because
I'm with a family that people, you know, range in
age from five to seventy five, and you know what,

(03:49):
all within that group said, let's get out of downtown.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
You're left. You said, I'm getting out of the You
know what. We tried.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
We went to the west end, wanted to go to
the Red Leprechaun, went to the west end of the
of the Banks, thinking the crowd would be different, and
it wasn't. So we left. We got out of town.
People went home. We left. So people are going to stop.
And the reason I wrote the article in part, it's
just not people are stopped coming downtown. The workers downtown,

(04:19):
you know, And I sit there and think, we've got
eight fortune five hundred companies in this city, more than Indianapolis,
more than Columbus, more than Cleveland. Per capita, they employ
six hundred and forty thousand people. And what if one
of those decides, you know what, it's not safe down here.
Our employees when they walk out at five o'clock a
night and have to walk to their cars to go

(04:39):
to a to go.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Home, and it's not safe. Because it's not safe.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
The violent crime that's happening right now in terms of
gun violence is out of control. The team takeovers is
out of control. And it's not a matter of I
will say this unequivocally. We cannot put a barricade around
our city. We can't put a moat around the banks
to protect it. We can't have the city of Covington,
which is what they did on opening day, say to

(05:05):
the Cincinnati police closed the bridge on the north, we're
closing it in the south. We don't want you coming
to our city. It happened on opening days.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I had Mayor Washington on a few days later, the
relatively new mayor of Covington. He said he got a
call from CPD about four four to thirty five o'clock.
He said, there's going to be a problem today. You
better get ready. He calls in the other police agencies
in Northern Kentucky. Covington police are not coined to handle this.
They brought in all of northern Kentucky to block off

(05:35):
the bridge is mainly the suspension bridge, saying you're not
coming here. And I'm thinking, is this the Civil War
when the suspension bridge? What happened? I had Also, I've
spoken to many of the Fortune five hundred leaders and
some great restaurant tours and they're scared. They're saying, we've
got the summer coming and this is not going to

(05:55):
be good. So Tom gableman, when we had Synergy Riverfront
Stadium that was only three quarters down, we got rid
of the whole damn thing because it was bad. You
designed the banks between, they have the entertainment district, you
have the Music Fest, all this stuff going on, not
just opening day. Look would happened at the Music Festival
July twenty sixth awful event. And then you had city

(06:16):
leaders demanding the people, the victims of the crime, they
much be charged with a crime because their head got
in the way of a foot. They had to charge
somebody and they said okay. Then we had the shooting
on Fountain Square. We had the shooting inside the City
Bird restaurant. We had numerous assaults and batteries on individuals
walking around. We had gun play on Fountain Square during

(06:37):
the taste. I was there an hour after it happened.
A kid ran onto the Fountain Square with a gun.
A cop was within a half a second of getting shot.
The gun was out. And so what is the solution.
When you designed this whole area, you thought public safety
would not be that big of an issue. So what happened, Well,
we didn't know.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
We did look at public safety as an issue, and
we purposely it was actually the developer's idea. Trent Tremato
from Carter had the idea to place in the banks,
at no charge to the city a police precinct, and
their police precinct was placed there, but it has not
been fully utilized by the Cincinnati police. That was point
one point two. We had cameras on every single street corner,

(07:18):
which I thought was extraordinary to do that we are
being watched. I didn't like that idea, to be quite honest,
and then in all those parking garages, the four thousand
parking spaces that we have, there's four thousand parking spaces.
There are cameras everywhere. So we know that that is
not enough. And what I'm saying what we need to
do now, and this is let's move forward, right. Chicago's

(07:41):
got the same problem, Los Angeles. Atlanta has the same
Atlanta is terrible. A team takeovers two weeks ago Daytona Beach,
there was a team takeover the city of Blue Ash.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
When they had their fireworks red, white, and blue.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Four hundred teens got their way to Blue Ash started
firing off fireworks in to the crowd. We know what
this issue is and what do they call to action?
That I said, and it was based on I said,
look here, we know what works, the discipline governance that
can work, and it's a public private partnership, all right.
Too often electeds are just looking to scapegoat and not

(08:17):
deal with the problem. I think we see that here now.
The difference is what we did back in basically two
thousand and six, we said, it's not the city in
the county or fighting over who's going to develop the riverfront.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
You know what we did. We formed a public private partnership.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
We got the private sector, We got leaders within the commercial,
the business community, the retail community, Bob Castellini, who is
who wound up being the chair of that committee, very
purposely because we had basically we had every sector represented.
Eventually we had the community also represented with Steve Love

(08:52):
and Robert Richterson in terms of labor.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
We brought everybody together.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
And the difference was Bob Casoline is sitting in that chair,
who had just taken on the reds, already running a
billion dollar company and says, now we've got to fix
our riverfront. And you have certain people, certain people that
you meet in life that are but for people but
for Bob Cassilini, that riverfront would not have been transformed.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
And I mean that with all sincerity. And you know
what we did.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
We worked for a year to basically come up with
a complete framework of how that banks could be redeveloped,
an implementation plan. We did it in two thousand and seven.
We presented it to city Council. They voted unanimously in
favor of it. And then and then here's the really
striking thing. The city in the county met for the

(09:39):
first time jointly.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
And you know where they met.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
They met in the Freedom Center between the halls of
cooperation and perseverance. One could be more symbolic than that
Willie Cooperation and perseverance. And they agreed we are going
to take this on in two thousand and seven, and
by twenty twenty five, we now have the greatest this
regional economic engine in this entire region. That riverfront throws

(10:05):
off two and a half billion, two and a half
billion in economic impact. Twenty six thousand jobs have been created.
When we talked about the two stadiums back in nineteen
ninety six, we thought we would be lucky to do
three hundred million in economic impact.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Are it's you're a million to Tom gableman over two billion.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And it's at risk right now. It's all at risk.
And it's just not the banks. It's the Fountain District
it's at risk. It's Washington Park. When you look at
the business community has put into OTR, it's a billion
and a half dollars to save that urban core. That
is so I mean, it's that is Cincinnati, but we
have from northern Kentucky that's investing in Covington and Newport.

(10:47):
You go to the banks in the riverfront with two
and a half billion, the Fountain District, OTR, go up
to UC and you see is investing billions of dollars
to build what will be the University of Cincinnati. And
I'll take that challenge on that it will the university.
That's the greatest in Ohio period. End of sentence.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
That's it's And so between you go from pill Hill
to the medical community to the University of Cincinnati, a
little bit of a green space, which is kind of
tough to be in a little bit. Then the OTR
a billion and a half dollars, and then go to
the Washington Park where my family, William Cunningham was a
mortician there in the eighteen seventies and looking up right now,

(11:24):
William Cunningham, they called them Old County. My roots are
deep in Washington Park. And then go down into this
central Business district, then go to the banks, then go
to small Park whatever other and then throw on top
of it northern Kentucky with October there are events and
sixteen matters. May you take that ten five six mile

(11:44):
area by three or four miles. That's the engine that
drives the tri state. And Tom Gableman. You're saying, if
things don't change, that is all at risk.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Willie, you have to look farther than Saint Louis. Up
here city. Look what's happening around their Look how the
attendance at the Cardinals. Tony Bender is a great Cardinals fan.
It's gone And people tell me, well, what happened in
Saint Louis. It's gone upside down because of the crime
and violence around the stadium, around Bush Stadium. Go to

(12:15):
the Inner Harbor of Baltimore, which you know, back fifty
years ago, what they did with the Inner Harbor which
had run into the same kind of situation that we
had in Cincinnati, where it was a blighted condition, and
they turn it into an urban revitalization that is now
nearly an abandoned area. So it can happen here. It's
happening in Baltimore, it happened in Saint Louis. Going back

(12:37):
to the whole street takeover by by the teens, that
is happening in Atlanta. It is happening in Cincinnati to
a lesser degree, in Columbus, in Cleveland, but Chicago has
dealt with it all around the Millennium Park, all around
the loop, water tower.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
WaterTower, out of the bus. But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
So we have this framework, and what I said the
call to action is this has got to be a
regional public price partnership and it's not elected officials. We
got to bring in the community and the community has
to be diverse. When I say diverse, that is not
an ugly word, because you know what, you and I
can talk all day long, Willie.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
You know we're just all I do is flat my jaws.
We're just two old white guys. But you know what, whitem,
I'm not that old. What are you talking about? All
Tony Bender's old?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Not me?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well, But so what I'm saying is we're not going
to convince anybody. We're not going to build any bridges
unless we go to the people that are impacted within
this community. This is not a black, white, brown issue.
This is a community issue that we have got to address.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Black folks want security, they want police services, they want
functional community as much as I do. Right, black folks
aren't unique and different. They want the same things we want.
How do we get there?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know what have the manual scales? Who is with
Hoo Hoo Hood Cincinnati seventy five. Have him on your show.
He'll talk about it. Have the people from Hay Cincinnati
that have been studying this issue of teen violence for years,
have them on the show.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
But my point is we have.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Got to get the energy behind forming this public private partnership.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Bring the people to the table. The police need to
be at the table.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
We cannot continue to burden the police of putting their
lives on the line when they know what will happen.
And Willie, you've worked as a lawyer in this system,
you know that it's ketchen release. Almost sounds like an animal,
I know, but it's ketchen release, or we put him
in or we put him in the system, and all
they do is learn how to do it better in
that system. And so what I'm saying is what we

(14:31):
have is something different here in Hamilton County that we
can look to. We've got the model of the banks.
We'll say, how do we form a structure that can
have the regional impact. Now, let's look at what we
did in Hamilton County. And I'm chair of the Mental
Health Board, the County Mental Health Board. In nineteen ninety five,
we pushed the county to establish the Drug Court nineteen
ninety five. It is now nationally recognized. The drug Court

(14:55):
in Cincinnati now handles a thousand cases at a time.
That's five times any other county in the state. Five
times is many, Okay, And look at the success rate.
We only have twenty eight percent residtivism, which means coming
back into the system with another evense only twenty five percent.

(15:15):
Nationally by NNGAI studies, it's sixty percent come back into
the system. And the cost of this program, the cost
of the program, for every dollar we spend with that
drug court, we get a return to three to four
dollars versus putting them into the incarceration system that costs us.
That's a return on investment. The Mental Health Court, strikingly

(15:36):
we found it. We pushed that, the Mental Health Board
pushed that in two thousand and three, and in two
thousand and three we basically went for a system. Now
that we have ninety two percent do not come back
into the system after one year.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
That's phenomenal. So at the end of your column, Tom
Game on an end car you talk about again you
need Maybe it's not Bob Castellini, but we need a board,
somebody in charge to say get the police, get the
community leaders, get the religious leaders, get the business leaders,
get the corporate leaders, get the union leaders, get everybody,
much like you did twenty five thirty years ago, and

(16:12):
say we got to solve well, who's the entity that
we have about a minute remaining, who's the entity to
do that?

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I think in part, I mean we're going to take
a leadership role at the Hamlton County Community Mental Health
Board because this involves behavioral health, right, and we know
we can change it. Here's in short, really to in short,
how we can change this. This part is putting a
structure in place, or instead of pushing the youth into
a system that we know doesn't change behavior, but we
actually provide something where there is accountability. They come into

(16:42):
the court system. I would call it the Youth Accountability Court.
They come into the court system within seventy two hours,
so they're accountable. And from there there's then an opportunity
presented where you can go into a system where it'll
be job training, education, training, and yes, behavior.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Who's in charge of that? Who's going to do that?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think that's what this public I have a partnership
that I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Don't you do it, well, we'll see that. You need
city and county and the police somebody, Well it's the
city county police. But we're going to bring in northern Kentucky.
We're going to bring in the Clifton community. We're gonna
boom the county. Don't forget about Boone County, Claremont County,
you can you bring them all because it's a regional solution.
Because right now with our mobile crisis team that we've
dealt with with homelessness, with drug with mental health, we're

(17:22):
serving all of the counties in the Hamilton County almost
go back and forth. Drug. Well, Tom, we got to
run up against the clock. But for those who want
to see your article, go to the inchoir and it's
right there. Tom gableman, you're kofu. You built the pyramids
and now sometimes some of the individuals are destroying what's
and it could happen. Look at Chicago, look at Baltimore,

(17:43):
look at Saint Louis. It's it's gonna happen unless it changes.
But we can't lose this, Willie. Yeah, that that riverfront
is the jewel of Cincinnati. We knock it out of
the setting. We're never going to get it back. Tom Gambleman,
thank you. You're the best, and you're well intended. You're
a good man. Kofu. You built a eyramids on the Nile.
Let's continue with more more about what's going to happen tonight.

(18:04):
I have an Iranian expert coming up on news radio
seven hundred WW Billy Cunning in the Great American after
one o'clock today, we'll be an expert on Iran, Casey Fleming,
predicting what's going to happen tonight after eight o'clock and
what are the risks of doing it? What are the
risks of not doing it? At this point, going forward

(18:27):
is about the only option. At this point, you can't say, well,
sorry about that. We're backing out of it. It's all yours.
You can't do that. On the other hand, there are
so many risks involved, and one of which is not
this being war crimes. This is again a cry the
radical left to demonize and smear Donald Trump and those
around him as if he's committing war crimes by taking

(18:48):
out bridges used by the Iranian military to transport to weapons,
guns and military personnel around Iran. I assume they also
drink water as a consequence, making out desalinization plants would
fit within the definition of permissible. Other nations do this repeatedly,
and no one raises about the war crimes unless you're

(19:09):
a liberal Democrat. And I've also saw this morning. I
watch MS now so you don't have to talking about
Nurnberg trials that after Trump leaves office, those around him,
including JD. Vance and Secretary Defense, whoever, Secretary of War,
whoever was involved directly or in directly with any of this,
will be facing Nuremberg trials, if not in America at

(19:31):
the Hague. That's what's being used now by the radical
left in this situation. By the way, every president from
Carter through Trump has wanted to do this, and finally
Trump is pulling the trigger. We think. I said many times,
I hope, I hope he knows what he's doing. I
pray to God he should know what he's doing. And

(19:54):
so Secretary of Defense in the first term under President
Trump was General Jim Mattis. By the way, I'm looking
on CNN right now and also Fox News, and this
video of human chains being held around several power plants
in Iran by women in their burkas, and also others

(20:16):
children about to be killed. They think for Allah and
for defending their way of life, things of that character.
That's what is happening right now in Iran. Damned if
you do, and damned if you don't. And we'll see
what happens down the road. But Jim Mattis was one
of the Secretary of Defense in the first Trump term

(20:37):
and there are certain things happening militarily that Madis did
not enjoy. He did not like it, and so he
was asked to resign. And Madis, being a four star
the twenty sixth Secretary of Defense did He was a
marine and he spent about forty years in the military.
And he was on last night on PBS, which I
watched so you don't have to, and General Jim Mattison

(21:00):
was talking about whether this is a war crime or not,
and he's predicting what's going to happen to night or tomorrow.
I thought it was worthwhile for a couple of minutes,
and Dave Keaton hit the words of General Jim Madis.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
You probably could never make a charge that this is
an illegal war that we are conducting right now, because
I can give you the murderous attacks that go over
decades that they have conducted not just against the Americans,
but against Israelis, against Arabs. I mean, the list is very,

(21:31):
very long, and there is probably no end to their
hostility with that regime in charge. We have seen one
administration after another try to find what I call the
fruitless pursuit of the Iranian moderate somewhere in that regime,

(21:52):
and we haven't found him yet. Okay, it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
This is a regime.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Like if the CIA is analyzing the regime to show
you how we learn about them. They have a list
of what are the indicators of an autocrat staying in power.
There's over seventy indicators, and they look at all these things.
One of them, one of those indicators outweighs all the rest.

(22:17):
Will the regime murder their own people at the industrial level.
If they will, they're going to stay in power. You
have an unarmed population up against a very well armed
regime that is fighting a total war right now, total war.
We're fighting a limited war. The American president a week

(22:39):
ago called it a little excursion. But they are fighting
for their lives. The Mullahs are because the people probably
will kill them if they overthrow them. They're just that
angry at them, So.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
They're fighting like that.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
What do we learn from it? It's going to be
a darn difficult problem, a darn difficult problem.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I hope we learned it.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
Reported assessments suggests that the Iranian regime is not budging,
They are not quote unquote not cracking, and they are
willing to fight to the end. Is it your understanding
based on what you know of the Iranian regime, that
is it seems plausible that their will is unbroken.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I think it would be very unlikely that this regime
would break right now. But like Hemingway's point about how
a man went broke gradually and then selling, you know,
it is a very fragile regime in terms of its grip,
but it's strong enough with its murder and all they've told.

(23:47):
For example, they've told the Iranian parents, don't let your
sons and daughters demonstrate, because we will shoot them. We
will go after them. So no, they're not going to
go away anywhere right right now. I would not think
that they're going to break, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
That's Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, who's not a fan
of Donald Trump. He was a let go by trumps
ter a Secretary Defense in his first term, brings up
interesting points that they will stay in power. And if
that's the case, if they're really going to stay in power,
and it may take months or years for the running
people in a sense, whatever that means to arise without weapons,

(24:26):
without guns, to take over government, I can't conceive without occurring.
Then in that case, if they're going to stay in power,
it would make a whole bunch of sense to make
them as neutral, as obliterated as possible, if that's going
to be the circumstance, and maybe that is what the
president is considering right now, quarter to one in the afternoon,

(24:46):
getting ready for eight o'clock, which, by the way, eight
o'clock here is about four am in the morning, and
Teyron it's almost daybreak by ten o'clock. It certainly certainly
would be. And so assuming they're going to stay in power,
and assuming they're going to keep to get a nuclear weapon,
and assuming they're going to continue their ways of butcher
and killing their own people, and assuming they understand the

(25:07):
one or two thousand in charge or three thousand in
charge of the Revolutionary Guard, that they're going to stay
in power, butcher their own people. Kill, kill, kill, then
it would be in our interest to make sure they
hit as little things to work with as is possible.
That is, the bridges of the water plants, the electrical grid,
whatever it takes to make that unlivable for the Iranian

(25:29):
people who may stand up and say enough is enough,
We'll do whatever we can. Right now, in CNN there's
new video of human chains being held around several electrical
power plants. And these are women and their burkas who
has been subjected to sexual slavery by the Iranian Muslims,
and also children are pictured around certain other desalinization plants.

(25:51):
Don't hit this. We are willing to die for Olive.
I can't read the signs, but the interpretation is kill us,
we will die for Allah. And these are little girl
and little boys sent there by their parents to be killed.
That's the mentality we're dealing with. One of the guests
this morning on MS now talked about they are different
than we are. Well, uh, yeah, they're different, all right.

(26:14):
They want to kill and they think by murdering innocent men,
women and children in the West, Israel, Jews and others
that that's their ticket to paradise. They think by putting
their children into mine fields to be blown up as
somehow the keys to heaven are around their neck, and
that God Almighty will admit children into heaven, which I
pray he does. But the parents who send them there,

(26:36):
they actually believe that by killing other innocent people men,
women and children, that that is the way for them
to be saved. You know, Catholicism right now is growing
markedly in America, especially in New York City for example.
In la people are looking for answers, and it's in
the Roman Catholic faith is where the answers are, which

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is why Brian Combs a couple hours ago talked about
the growth Catholicism. I cannot imagine Pope Leo talking about
going out and killing innocent men, women and children that's
how to get to heaven. So, assuming Jim Madison is correct,
and that the small contingent remaining of the Revolutionary Guard

(27:19):
stay in power, it's in our interest to make sure
that they have as little things to work with as
is possible, and that their lives are miserable, and it's
going to create one hell of a humanitarian crisis. There's
ninety million or so Iranians and the countries around them
are in very good shape. Anyway. Would you want to
go to a rock or Afghanistan? Would you want to

(27:42):
saddle up into Syria or maybe Jordan? I don't think so,
because Zakistan is a possibility. But whatever it is, they
truly believe that to kill innocent men, women and children
in horrible ways is the way they get to paradise,
because they actually believe that the twelve Emam who is
currently residing in a cave in Ohm will emerge during

(28:06):
the armageddon and that they will be in heaven. All
the rest of us will be in hell, and they
want to send us to hell, the human change being
former women and children in front of power plants. They
want to be killed. And it is sick and it's sad,
but it's where we are. And in general, Jim Madis
is correct the odds by eight o'clock tonight of having

(28:28):
a treaty of Versailles or a treaty of Paris, getting
together and say okay, come on in, under your leadership
and under your stewardship, take the half a ton of
enriched uranium, take that out of the country, and here
are the weapons of mass destruction, the biological agents that

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we have, and we're gonna have free and fair elections.
We're gonna quit treating women as slaves, sexual slaves and girls.
We're going to start giving women and children equal rights.
And please the traits or her moves are now open.
If that happens by eight o'clock tonight, I'd be in
a state of shocking disbelief, but I'd be quite happy,
especially for the Iranian people who have suffered so long

(29:11):
under the boot of this branch of Islam. So hopefully
tonight something good happens. I have Casey Fleming, who's dealt
with this issue for years about the Chinese government in
Iran and America, has written books on the subject. Red
Tide is rising. He's going to come on with you
and I after one o'clock today to discuss he thinks
what's going to happen tonight, and it talks right now

(29:36):
through I think Afghanistan are ongoing, and also Turkey's involved
to try to get this thing resolved for the betterment
of mankind. Finally we have a president who means what
he says and says what he means. He's pushed this
thing back first six months. Then it was sixty days.

(29:58):
Then it was going to be okay, ten days. Then
it was one more week, then it was two more days.
Now it was one more day. And after a while
you got to show your cards. You can only bluff
so much. And right now he is saying that there's
a thousand bridges in Iran that we have targeted, along
with several the desalinization plants, the power grid, and also

(30:23):
the oil and fertilizer. I listen to sloonely this morning
with their experts about helium and fertilizer. This is going
to go through a tough period assuming we win, which
is if they suddenly have a change of heart, which
I think is impossible until it's possible. I thought the
USSR in nineteen eighty nine, ninety nine, he could not fall.

(30:46):
It was impossible. It was impossible until it happened. Sada
Mussein falling out of a rock, that was impossible. Him
and his two derelic sons, what was it, a Ude
and Kuse, That was impossible until it happened. The odds
and communists read China nineteen forty nine, the Communists taken
over Cha Chaung Check was impossible until it happened. And

(31:09):
so these things do happen. But the true believers who've
been indoctrinated in this philosophy of this branch of Islam
believes they have to kill maime and blood, blood is
the way to get to heaven. You have to kill,
have have to rape little girls, behead their fathers, burn
alive their mothers. And by doing those acts you get

(31:29):
to go to heaven. And that twelve E mom is
going to bless what you're doing and life's going to
be good. And how do you convince someone who's been
in that philosophy for forty seven to fifty seven years
that everything you've been taught about God is wrong? That
God is loving, God is merciful, God is not vengeful

(31:49):
and angry. God is not a murderer. God is not homicidal.
God is not suicidal. God is love, and this branch
of your and Muslimism doesn't believe that whatsoever. So the
next few hours should be interesting. We'll see what happens,
of course, so we'll be on with Reds Baseball. We

(32:11):
want to play the fun in the games of life.
The things that Tom Gableman talked about in Cincinnati, he's
the grand architect of the Schmail Park, of pay Corps,
of my ballpark, the great American of all the economic
development and all the apartment buildings. He's the grand architect
that's spent thirty years building that with Bob Castellini. And

(32:31):
he just announced to you this thing is going down
the tubes unless something fundamentally changes. Something has got to
fundamentally change. That is easy. It's easy compared to what's
happening in Iran. Saint Louis, Baltimore, Chicago went down the
same road, and because of lax law enforcement, mainly because

(32:55):
in Hamley County is not law enforcement. It's not the
Sheriff's Department, it's not CPD. The problem is the judicial system,
especially Carrie Bloom and juvenile court and about half the
common Police Court judges do not think people belong in
jail for committing crime. That's a problem. That's an easy
thing to fix. Compared to moms and dads who send

(33:16):
out their seven year old boys to be blown up
in a minefield thinking that their son will be in heaven. Now,
that's a problem. Overcome that one. And also, what do
the Iranian people know right now? According to the Cia.
Under one percent of the Iranian people actually know what's
happening in the world that they don't know what the

(33:37):
position they're in because their government doesn't allow it. Oh,
let's continue. I guess we're blessed to live in interesting times.
But God is not a bloodthirsty murderer. God is love, understanding, forgiveness.
And I'm glad I'm a practicing Roman Catholic. I'm glad
I don't live in Iran and that branch of Islam

(34:00):
as my road to paradise is the murder children. Let's
continue with more. After one o'clock today, Casey Fleming will
be here. Great experience with Iran and China and America
hooks it all together twelve fifty five Home of Your
Reds playing today. The Reds are unbeatable. And by the way,
Dan Carroll is calling in from Arlington National Cemetery about

(34:21):
one for he's with an honor flight. I'm going to
talk to him about what's happening in Arlington and more.
Plus Reds Baseball kicks off at five forty tonight. All
It's your Home of the Reds is Radio seven hundred
WLW go cunning into Great America of course, today eight

(34:42):
o'clock is a bridge day in Iran. We'll see what
happens there. Epic Times Epic Times dot com. I watched
them every day and it's a great website. And Casey
Fleming has a column up about to where the drones
coming from and that are killing so many people, which
is good, but nonetheless the events of the Iranian revolution
is coming to bear. And right now in Cincinnati, for example,

(35:03):
I just filled up the other day and I paid
three to nine to nine a gallon, which is fine,
And now gasolene Cincinnati's up to four twenty nine. If
you're in California, for example, or in New York or Illinois,
it's about five dollars a gallon. And more so, Casey
Fleming has written on these topics for a long time.
He's a great author, knows what's happening. And Casey, welcome

(35:23):
again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
I ask you off the air, I pray to god
Trump knows what he's doing at eight o'clock tonight. If
he hits the button, all hell's going to break loose.
First of all, how do you see maybe this playing out?
But more importantly, does Donald Trump at this point know
what he's doing.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
I think he's in no man's land.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
And I think that the problem is he's escalated this
thing so far that he has no off ramp. So
he's got to do something. And the same thing when
you're escalating this with a Terrish. Remember years ago, decades ago,
we already said we never negotiate with terrorists, and he's
trying to negotiate with terrorists.

Speaker 7 (36:04):
So the problem is neither one have an off ramp.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
Both are ex escalating this thing until somebody blinks.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
And that's really where it is.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
Remember terrorists, they have nothing to live for and everything
to dive for. Their goal is to become martyrs, and
the more that we pound them, the more they go
into the ground. And they've been preparing us with the
Chinese Communist Party for well over a decade so because
their main threat has been Israel. Now the US has

(36:34):
just joined Israel in this thing. So it's a difficult
conundrum and Trump is probably going to have to do something.
I hope that he does it in stages. I hope
he says, listen, I've got to honor my commitment. I
hope he knocks out maybe a third of their bridges
and a third of their power and says, okay, I
can do the rest, and three more nights from now,
I'm going to do the rest.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
Are you guys ready?

Speaker 8 (36:57):
But the issue is, you know, when they step up
and say that they're negotiating for Iran, we don't you know,
The problem is we don't know who negotiating with IRGC,
new regime er otherwise and new regime that they have
any power to take over the IRGC.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I watched one of your interviews earlier on epictvm IT
it was yesterday one of the other hosts, and they
talked about they're different and I'm thinking, okay, of course
Iranians are different than Americans. He meant to say, and
he did say, and that Iran is a death cult.
In other words, they don't want to live, they want
to die, and they want to kill you in the process.
And they believe there's an e Mom, the twelfth e

(37:36):
Mom is living in a cave near om Ohm and
because of this event with America, that when Armageddon arrives,
they're going to be in heaven with those seventy two virgins,
and the rest of us are going to be burning
in the pits of hell. And it is a death
cult that's homicidal, suicidal, and genocidal. And they don't want

(37:57):
to live. They want to die. Say what you want
on about the Nazi Germany, Nazis and Brown Shirts and sys.
They wanted to live at the end of the day,
they wanted to go home. They wanted to live. But
those in charge now Iran, whoever that might be, they
don't want to live. And so they might see this
casey fleming as a means and a mechanism under their

(38:19):
religion and their version of God of Allah, that God
wants them to kill us, that God wants them to
rape women and to kill and behead men and set
babies on fire, and God wants them to do that.
And they believe that that this isn't hyperbole, and they
think dying in murder and killing is the path to paradise.
That's somewhat alien to our culture.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
Would you agree, Well, that's exactly correct on all fronts.
Everything you said is absolutely correct. They are a defficult.
But remember they refer to the United States as the
Great Satan.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
So there's no way.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
That we could ever let them have a nuclear weapon,
right They refer to Israel as the little Satan. So remember,
we are the enemies of the IRGC and a radical
ideology that they have, and you're absolutely right, they have
everything to die for and nothing to live for.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Well, it's a problem. And you talk about penning yourself
in a corner. And I'm a great Trump supporter. I
voted for him three times. Likely if I could vote
for him a fourth time, I would do it. And
we finally had a president that said, Okay, every other
president since Jimmy Carter, I think seven of them have
said that, you know, we can't let Ron get a
nuclear weapon. So I'm watching the International Atomic Energy Agency IAEA,

(39:38):
headquartered in Switzerland, talk about a week or two ago
that they had one thousand pounds of a rich geranium
and they were within a few weeks or a couple
months of having ninety percent and marry it with a
missile or secondly put on a boat. And so I
agree with Donald Trump, which is this must not happen.
Same thing every president has said. So what's different about Trump?

(39:59):
Casey Fleming, what's different about him?

Speaker 8 (40:02):
Well, he's actually put assets in place to destroy the IRGC,
to decapitate the head of it, but then the rest
of them actually go to the Four Corners of Iran
and elsewhere in the Middle East. So he's the only
one that put assets in place and he's actually taken
action against it. Remember, previous administrations actually funded and gave

(40:26):
cash to the IRGC. Previous administrations gave them uranium. So
what the heck were they thinking when they were doing that?
Representing every American person in those previous regimes. So we've created, well,
we've assisted this monster. We didn't create them, but we
assisted their build up and to make it more difficult

(40:48):
to fight these guys today. And remember the last thing
people need to understand that the Chinese Communist Party is
completely behind these guys. They've been helping them for well
over ten years with surveillance, military equipment.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
Drones there right.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
Now China, and this is serious for the American people.
China is producing ten thousand drones per day. These are
the Shahad drones that are very effective. They're cheap, they're
about thirty thousand dollars apiece. They're producing ten thousand of
those per day, and just do the simple math.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
Ten days, that's one.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Hundred thousand drones that can go after ships and anything,
any land targets and so on. So this is an
absolute mess. The world is a tinderbox. And Dorothy, you're
not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Casey Fleming, you bring up China, and you're an expert
written books on subjects about communist ry China, and some
of the experts, of which there are many, said, you know,
this is hurting China because they're getting the most of
the oil from the Middle East, and China is hurting.
China is being leveled by Donald Trump's policies. That China
is hurting. But on the other hand, I want to

(42:00):
hear a different perspective from you. How is this not
hurting China.

Speaker 7 (42:05):
Well, it actually is.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
In China.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
They you know, they get all their oil from the
strain of horror moves, and so they have softened their
position on the United States and on supporting Iran directly
on the on the hyperbole and the rhetoric. But they
are they are hurting from an oil perspective. But remember
China is the second largest economy. We we helped build

(42:30):
that enemy, sure, and they're not going anywhere. Don't be
don't be distracted by the war of the month with Iran,
even though it's extremely significant, the bigger picture that when
we've actually seen the unrestricted war against Americans actually crank
up from uh communist China, so uh yeah. And the
other thing is is that, remember it's called a cornered

(42:53):
rat syndrome. The more you corner a rat, the more
they lash out when they're boxed into that corner. So
regardless of their economy and how badly they're hurting, remember
this may cause them just to go out and go
military wise. And in fact, since the beginning of this year,
they've gone into their third tier tier military development, which

(43:17):
is the nuclear development that was pretty much on hold
ever since we've been working with them building them up
economically as a trading partner, and now they've gone into
full build mode.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
All right, So in the short term China's being hurt.
But in the long term, if this thing kicks off
as you claim it may, which is armageddon, that somehow,
this tonight or tomorrow, that this isn't a bluff. And
I find it hard to believe that Donald Trump seven
or eight times gonna say, Okay, here's the red line
in the sand. No, it's over here. Now, it's going

(43:49):
to be six months. Now it's going to be sixt
two days. Now it's going to be ten days. Then
there's a two day extension, then it's tonight this morning.
He talks about the end of civilization, Donald Trump does.
And short term China's going to take a hit. But
long term, long term economically, if somehow Iran has a
ninety million people refugee problem going all over the Middle East,

(44:11):
there's no water to drink, there's no electricity, there's no bridges,
there's no hospitals, there's no schools. It's a famine. Iran
right now is having terrible water problems anyway, So you
get rid of all the desalinization plants. Suddenly they have
no water, they have no fuel, they have no food,
they have nowhere to travel, and we win. Okay, we

(44:32):
this might take he says, a day. Say it takes
a week or ten days. We win. At that point,
What does the world look like after ten days of
complete devastation of the heart of the Middle East, of Iran,
which is a homicideal suicidal cult. What does the world
look like when ninety million refugees can't eat, can't drink,
have nowhere to go. What happens then.

Speaker 8 (44:54):
It becomes incredibly instable, beginning in the Middle East and
every verberate for the rest of the world.

Speaker 7 (45:02):
Like I said, the world now is a tinderbox.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
You know, the stability has has eroded over the past
twenty and thirty years because the US has basically unchecked
all of our enemies, namely the Chinese Communist Party, Russia, Iran, Pakistan,
North Korea, and the rest of them. They've gone unchecked
and Trump is checking them, trying to bring back in

(45:27):
peace with some type of stability, and it's very very
ugly because it's gotten away so far over the past
twenty and thirty years, it's very difficult to rain that
back in. So this instability is here to stay for
quite a while, even though Trump is doing the right
things with Venezuela, the drug cartels, and Iran, and those

(45:49):
are all strategic partners with our enemy, the Chinese Communist
Party as the grand puppeteer under them, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, North.

Speaker 7 (45:57):
Korea, Venezuela, drug cartels.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
Beneath you Ron, they were managing the terrorist organizations and
don't forget they are of the plan is to have
terrorists in sleeper cells in the US create havoc inside
the US, inside the EU. Oh so it's this thing.
This thing is capped off.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
As you know. This is like I said, Dorothy, you're
not in Kansas anymore.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
You went over rather quickly Casey Fleming about a swarm
of low cost suicide drones realistically overwhelming current United States
and Allied air defense systems. And you talk about ten
thousand a day over a month, it might be a
million over a month of these drones that are militarized, weaponized,

(46:43):
could be released inside the country. One large rider truck
in America and Des Moines, Iowa could house a thousand
militarized drones. There's a thousand or more Chinese agents inside
of America. We also have inside of America Chinese police stations.
We have inside of America large marijuana grow operations and

(47:04):
drug operations inside of America, whether it's Oklahoma, Maine, California,
in which the Chinese government is reaping billions of dollars
of benefits, and the police stations keep an eye on
the Chinese agents happening in America, and we could see
a complete catastrophe. How do you respond militarily to a

(47:27):
nation that creates ten thousand drones a day. How do
you respond because militarily, we don't have a military to
handle that.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
Correct, that's correct.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
We still fight by the old methods and the new
methods we found out in Ukraine is drone warfare, and
China is you know, we've taught them how to be
the manufacturers of the planets. We taught them all of
our technology on how to manufacture, couldn't do it fast
enough and what we didn't teach and they sold. So yes,
our military is having to re adapt Jerry very quickly

(48:00):
to drone warfare, which we've got these expensive three million
dollar missiles and they've got these thirty thousand dollars drones
that spend a three million dollar missile. So it's a
very different type of warfare that we have to get
our head around very darn quickly. And uh and it's
it's not pleasant. Yeah, I don't want to be I
don't like to be the bearer. Bell knows what it is.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You also have I've had on before about the bioweapons
and the contagious viruses, contagious diseases. There's Chinese bio labs
all over the country, only a few of which have
been discovered. I know, I know a few and in
and around Clark County in Las Vegas, some in California,
and we don't have an ability to stop that. And
some might remember the CCP surveillance balloon going all over

(48:46):
the country. So lastly, Casey Fleming, are we in trouble? Yes, sir,
we are in trouble.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
Okay, it's just it's just a matter of time, But
we are in trouble. So as we worry about what
time the Dallas Cowboys are on and when the stakes
are ready, our enemy is plotting and planning against us.
And quite honestly, I said before, I wish I weren't
the bearer of bad news, but unfortunately there's a few
of us out there that still care about our country.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
All right, Casey Fleming, the article is CCP Kamakasis, China's
mass producing, low cost, high volume drones for swarm warfare.
And we'll see what happens tonight and tomorrow. If you,
if I would have you on twenty four hours from today, uh,
can you hanzard a guest? What's going to happen tonight?

Speaker 8 (49:37):
I'm I'm cautiously optimistic that Trump will will honor what
he said he has to, he has to absolutely do
something because he's committed to doing it. I hope he
comes in with a third and says, Okay, I didn't
go to the full one hundred percent of the bridges
and the infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
And the power. I did only a third.

Speaker 8 (49:57):
I you know, you guys need to come to the
table and so on. But remember they're terrorists. They don't
want it to go shape no, like like you said
they So I hope it's a third. If it's if
it's complete on a gettin for Iran. Remember, there's gonna
be feat there's gonna be blowback on the rest.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Of the world, including the American people.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Casey Fleming, thanks for coming on The Bill Cunningham Show,
and we continue, Casey, thank you very much. Thank you Bill,
and God bless you. Let's continue with more. By the way,
Red's Baseball kicks off tonight at five point forty on
News Radio seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 9 (50:31):
Every day here is a different day.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh hello, hello, Piet and I'm I'm broadcasting segment the
Stooge Delayed will not be a stooge denied. We have
Dan Carroll calling from Arlington. Oh boy, let's go Dan Carrol,

(50:56):
give us a full report. What are you doing, where
are you and why?

Speaker 10 (51:00):
Cunningham left out of Cincinnati CBG Airport this morning about
seven point thirty with a group of about eighty eight
veterans on Honor Flight tri State. Tom and Cheryl popped
do an unbelievable job running Honor Flight tri State. And
this one was sponsored in total, in total by ge Aerospace.

(51:22):
So I want to thank ge Aerospace for footing the
bill for all these veterans to get on an airplane.
Many of them, the vast majority of them Vietnam era veterans,
guys who served at Vietnam. We have one Korean veteran
on the flight, and actually a couple of veterans from
the Cold War. So Honor Flight tri State gets these veterans,
they get them together and the day is all about them,

(51:45):
and we come to Washington, DC to see the various
memorials here. I sent you a picture earlier. We stopped
at the Ewa Jima Memorial and honored all the Marines
who were on the flight, everyone who served in the
at Ewa GMA in the Korean War. Then was on
to Arlington National Cemetery and I'll tell you what, what
an unbelievable ceremony. We were there, We got to be

(52:07):
there for the changing of the guard and then a
group of veterans from Honor Flight Trice State we're able
to participate in a refleeing ceremony at the tomb of
the Unknown Soldier. So that was just unbelievable. We're on
a little bit of a break right now. We're at
the Navy, the United States Navy Memorial and we're having
some lunch. After this, it's onto the Vietnam Veterans Memorial

(52:30):
and then the World War II Memorial. So this is
a huge day for veterans, all these veterans, these great
Americans who served their country. And tonight, this is the
big thing I wanted to get out, Bill was tonight
at about seven point thirty, we'll be coming back to
CBG to the airport there and Honor Flight tri State

(52:51):
loves to put on a huge welcome home ceremony for
these veterans after a full day of visiting their memorials
in the nation's capital, and CBG makes it really easy.
You go into short term parking, you come in, there's signs,
there's volunteers, and I can't say enough about the dozens
and dozens of volunteers for Honor and Flight tri State

(53:14):
who welcome these veterans, who make them feel like the
heroes that they are, and just treat them unbelievably great.
So if you have a chance tonight to get out
to CBG about eight thirty, there's going to be a
ceremony to welcome home these veterans so richly deserved because,
as you know, Bill, so many of these veterans who
served in Vietnam when they came home, when their time

(53:36):
of service was over, there was nothing, absolute nothing, And
the ones who did get to welcome home, many of
them were spit on and treated horribly by the hippies
and the their do wells who had no respect for
their service to our country. So we can change all
that tonight by welcoming home these great veterans at about

(53:57):
eight thirty over at CBG.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Nine, Dag Carol, about how many went are there? Ten forty?
About how many veterans are there?

Speaker 10 (54:06):
We on this flight We have a total of eighty
eight veterans. Again, the vast majority of them served in
Vietnam and the Vietnam era. I believe we have one
Korean veteran and then two or three Cold War veterans,
so it's mostly and as you know, I went on
the very first honor flight that went out of Cincinnati

(54:26):
and we actually had to drive to Columbus that day
under the offices of Nathan Backrack and Ed Fink, you
remember those guys, And yeah, we had to drive to
Columbus that day. And that was all World War Two
veterans because the World War Two Memorial in DC had
just opened at that time, and those veterans are gone.

(54:47):
And so now Honor Flight tri State has moved on
to the Korean veterans, and we are losing Korean veterans
at a tremendous rate, and we're on to mostly Vietnam
era veterans now. So it's just an unbelievably great day
here in d C. Traveling around. Every veteran has a guardian,

(55:08):
either a family member or a lot of people from
ge Aerospace have come out to participate as guardians today,
so every veteran has someone that is looking after them
and it's just just a tremendous experience. Of course, all
capped off tonight by the big welcome home ceremony at CBG.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Now Nathan backracking. The guys doing a great job there. Okay,
eight thirty tonight, CBG report to cheer on the veterans.
They feel welcome and loved. And Dan Carroll, you're a
great American and thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And thanks for pinch hitting for me every now and then.

Speaker 10 (55:42):
Bill, thank you very much. And seg I love you, brother,
thank you. I'm a home of the go Rez.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
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Brandon Williamson and three believers combined on a three hitter

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last night to blank the Fish and the third shutout
authored by Cincinnati pitching in ten games, unbelievable. Big Sal
Stewart had the RBI single in the third, and Tyler
Stevenson added insurance in the eighth of a solo Homa.
Reds are four and zero on the road to start
the season for the first time since nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
How much nineteen ninety there's a lark and blame it
on Rijo, There's and what did they do that year?

Speaker 11 (57:08):
Wire to The Reds are seven and three, and tonight
Andrew Abbott double a the EIGHTCE goes for the Reds
and Sandy al Contra goes for the Marlins.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
And he's just cut. He has a zero ERA and.

Speaker 11 (57:24):
Sixteen innings pissed pitch, zero no runs, seven hits, two walks,
twelve strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
You know which team I just pulled up ESPN run scored? Yeah,
you know which team is last in all of baseball
and run scored Reds Bingo. The Reds have scored this
year twenty eight runs.

Speaker 11 (57:46):
Yes see, this is getting them ready for later on
in the year when they ate those close games. They
know they have the confidence under Terry Francona to come
out Victoria.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
The averaging two point eight runs a game. Right, and
they're still not in first place. They're one game out
right against against the Brew Crew, and I'm thinking, how
is it possible? They don't have their two best starters
supposedly right, and the only guy hitting is salth Stewart.
The rest of them aren't hitting it all now. They
have the worst average alley. They're still on the interstate.

(58:18):
They have the worst batting percentage runners in scoring positions.
Looking to go to BUCkies and Hubert Heights and they're
seven and three. What's it, BUCkies, Let's go to Buckets.
I think we need to do a show up there. Yes,
I love BUCkies. Why don't we go to BUCkies? All right?
Is that buckets that make people go nuts? It's just
the atmosphere.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
They got one hundred and twenty thousand gas pumps, I think,
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I only need one.

Speaker 11 (58:39):
Well, no waiting five forty Sports Talk Arnel Carriers, Inside Pitch,
Kelsey Chevrolet xtrating show after the game. Now, the Baseball
Hall of Fame potential twenty twenty seven first time candidates
for Cooper's Town.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
You know, the Reds are tied with the Dodgers for
the best winning streaming bank. Yeah, how is this possible?
You're not answering the question getting it done.

Speaker 11 (59:05):
Let's see two of the potential twenty twenty seven first
time candidates for Cooperstown Willie Jay Bruce.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
No, and the Todd Father. No, I'm just saying you
mean the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Yeah. No.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
College basketball NCAA Tournament update ACR gunnyed Pools and spas
called today swim this year, of course. Michigan Tom and
Tom weedman National champs after beating Yukon last night at
Indianapolis and Barry Larkin first title in first basketball title
for the Wolverines in thirty seven years. They need to

(59:41):
hold the final four in Nashville, New Orleans. Probably, I
guess maybe San Antonio, indian in Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
That's it. Don't move it around next year it's in Detroit, Detroit.
Is it safe there? We'll see. Now the Transform Portal
is open. Go here we go. You see losing three players.
Who's going key?

Speaker 11 (01:00:04):
Sean Tillery who was at Calhoun's press conference?

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Oh, is he related to Dwight Tillery? I don't think so,
Sean Abayev. See, you wouldn't want to be Mustapha Chom?
Who Mustafa m Where'stafa Chom from? Uh? He's gone across
the across UH of course. He and Elmer out of
taft leaving Miami. And as Xavier has lost one player

(01:00:31):
so far today, Pap and die, Pap and die. It
was like a woman procedure there.

Speaker 11 (01:00:41):
Louisville star guard Mikel Brown Jr. Is declared for the
NBA Draft, projected to go number ten.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
In the draft. Say, if you're a college a coach
and you want to have a team. Michigan brought in
five new players. They yeah, all from the Port of Michigan. Right.
They got together a team with a good coach and
march to glory. But I want to tell you one thing, though.

Speaker 11 (01:01:07):
The Bearcats beat the national champs, I think you're right.
In that exhibition game a one ninety eighth, the Cincinnati
Bearcats beat the Wolverines at Chrysler Arena.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Is that like a that? I mean you seize the
National champs.

Speaker 11 (01:01:25):
If they did in Michigan, I would say, so, yeah,
you went to the Big House and beat them the
exhibition game, bring down the trophy. National Football League News
projected number one overall pick Fernando Mendoza out of Indiana
has informed the NFL that he is not planning to

(01:01:47):
attend the National Football League Draft in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
He's not going to be there. One might ask why
he wants to share the draft experience with his family
in Miami. He can't get them to Pittsburgh. Yes, not so. Mendoza,
who's by the way of practicing Roman Catholic and a
good man, right, is not going to go to the draft.

Speaker 11 (01:02:11):
Well, he's gonna correct in Pittsburgh. He's going to be
home with his family in Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Joe Burrow didn't attend the Las Vegas Draft because it
was called off. Basically, they were going to float him
over a boat at the Bellaggio, that's the way, but
they they he couldn't. It didn't have an event. The
only time they haven't had an event is when Joe
Burrow is pick number one. Now Masters kicks off Thursday.
I got a call without Tiger and without Phil Mickelson.

(01:02:36):
What about dinner tonight featured groups. Did you see the menu? Yes,
elk meet, would you eat? No? I just want to stay.
Give me a steak, baked potato and green You know
what's going to cost tonight for Rory to macailroy. One
hundred thousand dollars and fifty thousand dollars is for the wine.

(01:02:58):
They have one hell of a wine cellar. He guess so,
and he has to pay personally, and the it's gonna
be thirty to thirty two thirty four and each plate's
gonna be five hundred dollars. A plate that's fifteen thousand
plus to fifty is sixty five plus is an assume
twenty percent tip, which is what about for fifteen thousand
dollars it gets us up to eighty and then an

(01:03:20):
extra tip. How about eighty thousand dollars for dinner? It
better be good. The menu looks good, but elk meat?
Would you eat? Elk meat?

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Now?

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
I just want steak, baked potato and green beans. First
round of the Masters ten am Thursday, Deshambeau, Patrick Fitzpatrick
and Schoffley ten am. Pretty good matchup ten thirty McElroy
Cameron Young amateur Mason Howell from Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Everything is Cincinnati related.

Speaker 11 (01:03:54):
One PM, John Rahm, Chris got her up. His first
is first, got her up? Ludwige Oberg the second last
pairing of the day. What about Tiger, Scottie Scheffler, Robert McIntyre,
Gary Woodland, What about Tiger?

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Not there? He's you know where he is? He turned
another car over to uh, you know, to somebody else.
I got a report that he is in Switzerland.

Speaker 11 (01:04:22):
No, I don't think he's gonna make it. Well, he
has no tea time, so he better get back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Over if he had done. Trump is not happy because,
as you know, yeah, he is dating the ex wife
of Donald Trump junior, correct, who had five kids. And
l Tigray is spending too much time with the grandkids
of the president. And by the way, the Secret Service

(01:04:46):
has told El Tigray, you cannot operate a car with
the president's grandchildren in it.

Speaker 11 (01:04:52):
Correct. Now, what about Arnemus two? Sweeping around the moon
and head him back home?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I just ran into Tony Pike, and you know what,
Tony Pike tells me. What He looked at me and said,
you don't believe this? To you and I said, but
I don't believe that Artemis thing that's not happening. I said,
it's not happening. What do you mean?

Speaker 11 (01:05:12):
He said, they're almost three hundred thousand miles away. He said,
it's all Earth's nuts. It's made up. You know what
he's sitting made up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
He's got a you know, he's got quarterback, he said.
He said it's made up. I said, what do you
mean it's made up?

Speaker 10 (01:05:24):
He said?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
He said, there's no way they can get clear pictures
back from the moon. When I can't get clear pictures
on my phone. He can't make a call from a
parking parking level number two down here. Do you believe
it's happening? Yes, he's calling Neil Armstrong a liar and
the other eleven men that Land needs. He needs to
be disciplined by who, I say, a suspension? How long week?

(01:05:49):
Do you really believe that? I said, what do you mean, Artemis,
that's not happening. Too many hits to the head. I said,
it's not happening. He said, it's all made up in
a Hollywood studio, and speaking of out saying, you know,
Tony Bender and I and one of our sales reps,
Todd Killinger, Killinger and the three of us are the
are the champs of the of Our Office Bracket Challenge. Now,

(01:06:12):
who didn't win is Moeger? Yeah, Almo, Me, Tony Pike
and you right? You four guys are in sports. Yep,
Bender and I and Todd Killinger had no idea. Where
were asses?

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I picked Michigan to win the Killinger one at all.
I know he won.

Speaker 11 (01:06:29):
I won one hundred and fifty thousand dollars I heard.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
And fifty one thousand. I'm sorry ten dollars to get in.
But what does the guys know about sports? When Tony
Bender and I and Todd Killinger kick ass? Maybe I
should do sports, let them do general talk. But the
problem is they don't think Artemis happened. They think it's
all bs. Well, I just watched the thing take off.

(01:06:54):
They're up there, he said it was a video. They're
sitting there there there.

Speaker 11 (01:06:58):
They got a bad toilet, so they need to call
nix Goo Plumbing, get to get somebody up there. And
last thy two, they're two hundred and fifty some thousand
miles from Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
That's all made up, and then they'll be they'll be
here Friday. It's made up. They're splashing down in Santa Yeah,
it doesn't happen. I see. And one other thing, Joe
Dieters is out what he's in Washington. He's all the
short list to be the attorney general. But an impediment
according to the White House Chief of Staff that I
spoke to, Yeah, I got a call. Did he really

(01:07:30):
call code Red on Harambe? Did Deeters do? I said no,
I said yes he did, And she said I can't
handle the truth. That's an impediment because Peter is mad
at Joe Deeters till I'm tired of hearing this. Thank
you Joe. So if he go, if he's not Justice Joe,
he'll be ag Joe, Ag Joe. If he gets over

(01:07:53):
the Harambe, hump your comments please.

Speaker 9 (01:07:59):
For instance, she'd been in the bathroom smoking crack and
let her kids run around the zoo, that'd be a
different story, but that's not what was happening here. She
was being attended to her children by all witness accounts, and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
The three year old just scampered off. Why did he
kill Harambe code Red? He was looking after the safety
of the child. Will he is a gorilla? He's not
the ag unlet's he? That little kid might have been dessert.
They've asked me for all the audio of Joe Eaters

(01:08:33):
and harambe who the Justice Department?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
You know you're a jackass?

Speaker 7 (01:08:38):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Whoa ag?

Speaker 7 (01:08:40):
Joe?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Take it easy, But Dave Keaton's going to be sending
up to Washington soon a whole bunch of information and
cuts of Joe Eaters to make sure there's nothing you
don't wanted to get the job.

Speaker 9 (01:08:50):
Who can only be described as a piece of human garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
You don't you're jealous that he may get the Jess,
I'm jealous, Yes, I'm jealous. Well why did you throw
your hat in the ring? I could have no guts.
But Joe Dieters has the credentials and he's also code read.
So does he got the museum levee? Now we got
all these special levies out, None of the other.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Counties have them, and you've endorsed every one of them
on your show right before the election.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Oh well, Washington wants audio of Joe. If if a
g Joe takes the gig? Who who takes over as
Supreme who takes over on the Supreme Court? Who you're
looking at all, right, segment, get me out of the
student's report. We leave.

Speaker 11 (01:09:34):
We leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report,
not school.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Bill Cunningham, the Great America. You know, a nation lives
and dies essentially through its economic system. That is, the
taxes are what we send to Washington to be well
spent or not well spent. Something in the range of
the federal debt right now has accumulated to almost forty
trillion dollars, and the budget spending right now is well

(01:10:07):
over seven trillion, trending toward eight trillion dollars every year.
This is not the way things used to be. Joining
you and I now is Chris Towner. He's the director
of the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget And Chris Towner,
welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
give the American people a tutorial of where we were
maybe in the beginning, where we were in the year

(01:10:29):
two thousand and where we are now, and why this
is a serious problem.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Back in about
two thousand, we were running a budget surplus on an
annual basis. That meant we were taking in more impact
revenue than we were actually paying out in federal spending
on an annual basis. That changed pretty quickly in the
early two thousands, but it was also kind of accepted
at the time that we should do that. President Bush

(01:10:56):
decided to implement a huge text and it was the
idea being, you know, the government shouldn't be collecting so
much more in revenues than we are spending out. But then,
you know, a series of really bad things kept happening. Uh,
you know, we got into the wars in the Iraq
and Afghanistan, We hit the Great Recession in two thousand

(01:11:19):
and seven, and you know, we just had to borrow
more and more to kind of combat you know, one,
you know, fighting wars abroad, but two also to keep
the economy afloat or at least try to recover it
a little bit. That's where most of our debt came from.
But there's also been a really large build up and

(01:11:39):
debt from the policymakers just don't want to pay for
things anymore. So in the early two thousands, we expanded
Medicare to start covering prescription drug benefits. We didn't pay
for any of that. We started in creating increasing discretionary
spending on an annual basis. We didn't pay for any
of that either. We got to the Great Recession. You know,
it makes sense to borrow for recessions, but you know

(01:12:03):
after that you're supposed to start running surpluses. And we
never got there ever. And then we just continued to
borrow more and more. We hit COVID, We borrowed a
lot for COVID, and we just keep en acting big
tax cuts and big spending increases and accumulating more death.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Going back in time, you talk about Iraq, talk about Afghanistan,
talk about prescriptive drugs paid for, talk about the shift
to transfer from young Americans to older Americans. But going
back in time, I'm a bit of an historian. Between
seventeen eighty nine, which was the first year at George Washington,
until the first year of George Bush forty three, that

(01:12:42):
was a period of time in which America went through
several depressions, several famines, several floods, several wars, several economic downturns.
We went through the Civil War, went through the Spanish
American War, we went through the World War One, went
through World War Two, just come out of the Great Depression.
We then go into various fights in the Suez Canal,

(01:13:05):
we end up in Korea, then we go to Vietnam.
We do all those things, and then we had the
oil shock of seventeen nineteen seventy eight. So between seventeen
eighty nine, George Washington and Bush forty three, it's a
fair to say, Chris Towner, we went through worse things
than we've gone through the past twenty four years, including

(01:13:25):
feast and famine. We went through depressions, we went through
the Roaring twenties, we went through two World wars, the
Civil War, and we accumulated in total about four and
a half trillion dollars in debt from seventeen eighty nine
until two thousand. Now, the last twenty five years, we've
gone from four trillion in total accumulated debt to forty

(01:13:47):
trillion dollars. So we put on thirty six trillion dollars
in about twenty five years. And every American that lived
between seventeen eighty nine and the year two thousand it
was four trillion. Can you explain that to me? There's
a question in there somewhere. Can you answer it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah, I mean, well, part of it is just the
effects of compounding, right, compounding causes dollars to really accumulate
really quickly. It's a little bit of inflation too, right,
like a dollar today is worth a lot less than
a dollar was worth, you know, one hundred years ago.
But this is why we actually compare our national debt
to the size of the entire US economy, and so

(01:14:27):
if you so, and also as a budget person, I
only really care about that held by the public. So
that's actually a lesser amount than the forty trillion. That's
about thirty one trillion, is about nine trillion or so
that the government owes itself. It's not really that important
for the economy. So of that thirty one trillion, that's
about equal to the size of the entire US economy today.

(01:14:49):
That is the highest it's ever been since World War Two.
And World War two we borrowed a whole lot of
money in a very small amount of time, and we
needed to right, we had to fight, not seas, we
had to win. And but then right after World War
Two that came down pretty rapidly. We saw that coming
down to close thirteen, around forty percent of the economy.
We haven't seen that around forty percent of the economy

(01:15:11):
in about twenty years. We've only added to that over
the last twenty years or so, and now we're going
to surpass that record hit just after World War Two
in just four years, and that will rise to about
one hundred and twenty percent of the economy by the end.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Of how much how much one and twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
About one hundred and twenty percent, that's that's correct, and
that will really start to cause problems for our economy. Generally.
We're going to just grow at a slower rate. We've
never seen that that high before. Very few countries have
been able to sustain debt that's that ratio of their economy,
and it's really kind of we're entering the unknown and

(01:15:51):
we really need to do something about that to prevent
that from happening.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Well, as as the GDP, the gross domestic product, it's accumulation,
goods and services, everything pretty in the country. And you're
saying that at this point in the year, Trump's got
this new proposal of course, one point five trillion dollars
on military, which may have to after the Iranian situation
settles down, if it ever does, We're going to have

(01:16:15):
spend more money to replenish all the weaponry we used,
and then when the Democrats take over, they want to
spend money on social welfare spending. When the Republicans take over,
we get tax cuts, then we get more spending on defense.
And so how to tell the American people In the
nineteen nineties, the last four years of the Clinton administration,
America was running a surplus. What happened then that costs

(01:16:39):
so significant savings. What happened in the late nineteen nineties
with Clinton and gingridg.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, you know, that was a combination of really tough
trade offs and hard choices, but also a little bit
of luck. We had a really fast growing economy back then.
We were growing at more than three percent GDP growth annually.
We would be really lucky to see three percent growth now.
And actually the president's budget assumes that we grow at
three percent, but most forecasters say we're going to get

(01:17:07):
to about two percent, maybe a little bit less than
two percent over the next decade, largely because of our
aging population. So we got real lucky back then. But
we also we put in the time to come up
with changes that would reduce our deficits. So we kept
discretionary spending. We said, you know, we need to keep
non defense and defense discretionary spending at roughly responsible levels.

(01:17:32):
We also needed to imploy some Medicare savings. And actually
President Clinton raised taxes in the in the early nineteen
nineties and we benefited a lot from all that economic
growth being taxed at higher rates. So, you know, we
may not need to go back to the exact budget
that we had in the mid nineties, but if we

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got somewhere close to it, we'd be in much better
situation than we are today.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
What is the people understand interest? I do a lot
of commercials on paying off your debt, high interest credit
card debt, that's terrible. And America pays a lot of
interest on our debt. Our public debt's about thirty one trillion.
About nine trillion is government to government. That's real money.
But how much how much are we going to spend

(01:18:16):
in the fiscal year see October this October to next October,
from twenty six to twenty seven, about how much are
we going to spend? Just an interest on the national debt?

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
It has a great question. We're going to spend about
a trillion dollars a little bit more than a trillion
dollars just on interest in the national debt. It's actually
going to be the second largest expenditure that we make,
the first being social Security. It'll be pretty much neck
and neck with what we spend on Medicare. It's pretty astounding.
It actually hit a record as a share of the
economy last year, and we're going to continue. It's going

(01:18:49):
to continue to rise pretty unsustainably.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
So if you take interest on the national debt, and
if you take Social Security, if you take Medicare and medicaid,
if you take defense spending, about those items I think
are like almost non negotiable. Social Security is going to
go bankrupt in about seven or eight years, so either
grossly those benefits will be reduced or there'll be more contributions.

(01:19:15):
But assuming you can't touch social Security, you can't touch Medicare,
you can't touch Medicaid for the poor, you can't touch
defense spending, and you can't touch interest on the national debt.
About what percentage are those five elements in the budget?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Yeah, I mean you're starting to get down to it
and probably posts to something ten to fifteen percent of
the budget. At that point, there's really no way to
make changes without making changes to those big parts of
the budget, and obviously interest is the one that you
can't really control. So you either need to control the
spending that you can control, or you need to make

(01:19:52):
changes on the tax side as well. The folks who
tell you, oh, we're not going to touch those security
Medicare and we're still going to get the budget under control,
they're lying like, there's just the mathematically, it just can't happen.
It's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
What about default? I've read somewhere well, America could default
on the national debt. In the city of Cincinnati, there's
an unsustainable city budget for the retirement benefits of city
employees in the city, eight hundred million dollar deficit. It
will never be paid off. Defaults of possibility. New York
Detroit went through a bankruptcy. Is bankruptcy a possible? Could

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the US government say, you know, we owe maybe in
five years, we owe fifty trillion dollars and we can't
afford to pay off the principle in fact, we can't
pay off the interest on the national debt. We're going
to file for default. Is that possible or how would
that work?

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Yeah, it's a little bit different for the US. The
federal government versus cities or states. The one thing we
do have going for us is that we can print
the money, and we could just continue to print the
money to pay off those loans. But obviously, I think
everyone kind of you know, acknowledges if you print the money,
what's going to happen. You're gonna see pretty rapid inflation.

(01:21:06):
So we've seen a lot of inflation over the last
few years, and if we think that inflation's high, we're
talking about hyper inflation if we need to start printing
money just to pay off our debts. So it's not
the same as what a typical default would be, but
it would be pretty devastating and it would cause interest
rates to start soaring too, because then investors just won't

(01:21:27):
be able to rely on the US government to pay
you know, steady returns as we have for most of
our history.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
So then we would have hyper inflation. Correct, things would
get completely out of whack.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Yeah, exactly, like we've seen in like Germany right before
World War Two, like we saw, we've seen in Zimbabwe.
We've seen it. Actually, Greece had a more interesting kind
of default situation than the twenty tens because they couldn't
print their own currency so they had to suffer from
like very high spending cuts and very high tax increases.

(01:21:58):
It's not a situation we want to get ourselves into.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
And numerous entities weren't going to invest in Greece but
the US. The reason the stock market is so high
now despite all these Iranian adventures is because it's a
safe haven. So it is perceived that money from overseas
entries can put their money in either treasuries or buy
stocks in the stock American stock market, knowing it is safe.
If we lose that, we might become a real banana republic.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Yeah. Absolutely. They call it in economics is called exorbitant privilege.
Ites the idea that the US can borrow significantly because
we have the world reserve currency and it underpins, you know,
the entire global financial system. If we were to get
into a situation where folks did not reliably trust the
US to start making good on its payments or that

(01:22:47):
its currency were unstable, we would see a lot of
mayhem and we, you know, maybe risk losing our reserve
currency status to you know, another country like China or
Saudi Arabia something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Then were and more none We're in real trouble, a
dollar might be worth ten cents.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Absolutely, we would see a lot of changes in the
value of currency, and it would be very significant consequences
for Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
About a minute remaining, Chris Towner, of Committee for Responsible
Federal Budget, How do we get out of it? Do
we quit spending money? Do we restrain this? Restrain that
Trump's proposal of one point five trillion dollars grossly more
spending for defense. When the Democrats take over, they're going
to get grossly more spending for social welfare programs. It'll
never stop. How do we get out of this? Chris?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
You know, the reality is that it's going to take
tough trade offs in order to do this. It's going
to require making changes in Social Security, to Medicare, to
all federal healthcare programs. But it's also probably going to
take some changes on the other side in terms of taxes.
We're probably going to have to rease taxes a little
bit more. We can do that in smart ways that
don't hurt the economy too much. We can close tax loopholes.

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But really it's going to be, you know, a combination
of spending reforms and revenue reforms and are to get
our datauder control.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
And also the state of California's upside down about fifty
billion dollars, the City of Cincinnati's upside down about a
billion dollars. If you look at what's happened in New
York City, they're upside down billions of dollars. Put all
that into account, we've got nothing but issues everywhere, and
most cities, most counties, most states, and the federal government
live far beyond their means passing on the bill. Have

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the benefits today and then pay for them later, which
like taking out credit cards to pay off more credit
card interests. Then you take out more credit cards to
pay off the interest and at some point it's a
Ponzi scheme and we can't get out of it. Either
can't get out anyway, and so which case, we're in
deep trouble once again. Chris Towner. It takes a little
bit of guts, it takes a little bit of truth,

(01:24:45):
a little bit of hard talk, but we all have
to sacrifice the little. Social Security should be a situation
if you don't need it, you don't get it. And
raise the retirement age from sixty two to sixty five
and then have full retirement about seventy or seventy one.
That would make a lot of sense. The average life
expectancy in nineteen thirty four when it was created was

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about sixty four years. Now it's eighty five years. It's
a Ponzi scheme that somebody at the end of the
day is going to be left holding something. Chris Towner,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Website is
Committee for Responsible Federal Budget And once again, Chris Towner,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Chris,
you're a great American.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Thank you very much, Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
God bless you. And what's happening in Iran right now
doesn't help whatsoever with spending, But it's about the survivability
of the Middle East as a functioning part of the world,
and about the ability of the president's word to mean something.
You may complain, holler about all the attacks and bombings
right now Iran, but you can't leave Iran and say, okay,
you guys are in charge develop a nuclear weapon. Can't

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have that either. So let's continue with more Bill Cunningham
The Great American Live. It's some of the reds. News
Radio seven hundred WW and it came time for the
stadium tax thing about eleven years ago. Where was Joe Eaters?

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
I was there?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Did you indorse it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I was the guy fighting it wasn't I wasn't either
one opposing spending public money.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
No, you indorsed it. I did, Yes, you indorsed it.
If you remember this, the whole campaign was about being
a major league city and all that stuff. Remember that, Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
I don't recall that at all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Nor your memory is just.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Very solidrageous select Well, I don't recall that at all. Hello,
I'm broadcasting the office and White House Counsel has got
a hold of Dave Keaton to send to them any

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audio cuts of Joe Eaters that may be an embarrassment
at his hearings when he becomes a new ag taking
the place of Pam bond To. It's a gj a
G Joe, and he's got some you guess. I said,
there are some cuts out there that may be a
bit embarrassing, but they want to know ahead of time
what they are.

Speaker 11 (01:27:07):
He was he was all about public safety. That's it,
public safety, right. I don't know what he was talking
about there. Did we did I endorse the stadium. Yes
you did. I did in your selective brain, and there
was that. But they named it after me s nineteen
seventy five to get my support.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
They called it the Right American Right. And I have
a text here from Tom weed Man. You know, boy,
the Michigan faithful, who's going to team up North wins
the title?

Speaker 8 (01:27:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Here it is going to Are they going to have
a parade down Montgomery Road and the hal the Victor?
I can see it now, But I brought up the
idea that Tony Pike stops me and says, you don't
believe that namous thing ever happened to you? I said,
what are you saying?

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
You need psychiatric help?

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Thank you? Joe thrown up, but I said, no, I
believe it happened. He said, that didn't happen. So Tom
Weedman sends me the following, Oh boy, under time of
one fifty nine pm today, Sycamore Township trustee, Michigan recruiter.
There's lots of people I know who believe the whole
thing was faked, including the moon landing, including my brother.

(01:28:16):
I think I'm a believer, but I'm not sure because
what advantage does the government have to tell us a
lie and then watch the launch fail with her own eyes.
So Tom weedman a bright guy. Sycamore is not sure
we ever went to the moon. Gemini didn't happen, Apollo
didn't happen, Challenger didn't happen. It was like a TV show.

(01:28:42):
And I guess the government killed CHRISTA mccauliffe in New
Hampshire and suddenly they made it all up. And the
artemist that took off what this was faked too?

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Yeah, Tony Pike said, if Neil Armstrong actually said that,
it would be more clear. I said, this is niceen
sixty nine, July twelfth. Yeah, they didn't have comrades up. Yeah,
what do you? Tony Bender believes that it's all bs?
Do you think it was? Do you think it actually happened? Yes?
Everything I said I said to Tony. John Kennedy said

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he wanted to put a man on the moon and
return them safe, and they did. Michigan State, October twelve,
nineteen sixty two. Thank you, And I'm thinking that was
all a lie too. Well, what's the truth if what we.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
See a question don't make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Thank you, John. That's Sean Wayne calling in. Wow, we
need Bob Hope. Do you think it happened or not? Yes,
everything is real? How do you know?

Speaker 11 (01:29:40):
Have you actually they're two hundred and fifty eight thousand
miles away from Earth, but so you think they're on
a they got a triple a trip tick or something.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Tony Pik has a flip top.

Speaker 11 (01:29:49):
He said, you know what, Tony Pike has too many
hits when he was at UC and too many hits
when he was in the National Football League.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
There's Bob Hoe. That's the reason. Why. What is it real?
Am I living in reality?

Speaker 10 (01:30:04):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Is this? Is this happening right now? Yes? Am I
fantasize they're up there? No, they're not saggy, they're making
it all up. O. J. Simpson did that movie? Recall
that it was all in a sound stage. And you're
not real either? Are you real?

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Do you believe Artemis? I thought he thought it was
like a traffic camera. I said, No, Artemis is the
name of the program that's going to put someone on
the moon. Artemis for supposed to land on the Moon
and then they're going to go to Mars. That's what
he said. Half a mile that had a million miles
doesn't exist. He thinks the Earth is flat. I said,
how do you know?

Speaker 11 (01:30:38):
I just saw one crater on the moon that had
Dodger Stadium inside of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Yeah, seg You're Dodger Stadium is saying, gone to the moon.

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
I'm just saying, you know, Dodgers might be playing in
a real wheel away game.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
There away real away game, not easily. I'm just saying,
I think there's a lot of crazy people out there.
Would you agree or not? I think people are not
normal when Tom a lot of people around here. None
of this is happening for the last sixty years. Are
we happening? No? No, we're fantasies like you and Sarah

(01:31:15):
Elice have no comment. Fantasy. There's a fantasy right there.
You're a fantasy. No comments, No, thank you, thank you,
Thank you.

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Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Can you try to burn down Ron's roost? Was that you.
We're getting picked up on that charge. That was some
clown with a cigaette, probably a Democrat. Yeah, lap them, lapham,
lap them said it wasn't checking in checking. In game
two of the Reds in Marlins tonight, Willie Andrew abing
against Sandy al Contra. Look look to your right, Artemis
two makes space to space call to the w I

(01:32:04):
S S International Space Station. Do you think that's real
that Artemis is making a call to the space station.
I would. We can't make a call from level three here.
Tony Pike says he needs a better phone.

Speaker 11 (01:32:17):
We're probably looking for a free one anyway. He's a Democrat,
cover hees at five forty Sports Talk Arnold Carriers, Inside
Pitch and then Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning Show after the game?

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Who in baseball has scored the fewest runs the Reds?
Please continue? There's seven and three on the year.

Speaker 11 (01:32:34):
Will he good for second in the Central Just the
game back of that Brew.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Cruise historic call between the two crews in space. I
guess that's fake two U he loved two live crewis
what Tony Pike? That was all made up too? That
was a Don Green production. Bananahone sits in the reds

(01:32:58):
Hall of Fame? Is it really? And it's at his uh,
it's at Marty's statue. Somebody's stealing them've been out of
text here from Emine County Communications Center based upon your
recent call, Please take a minute to answer these two questions.

(01:33:20):
I called nine one one today. You know why, for
the second time in my life, there's a I'm coming
up coming up Keller Road. Take a left. There's a
guy in a wheelchair smoking a cigarette on Montgomery Road
in traffic. Yes, now I'm going what the it's from
that nursing home. Old folks come out of there in

(01:33:41):
wheelchairs smoking cigarettes and cigars. Yeah, I called nine one one.
Now they want to know how I how nine one
one did? They did pretty damn well. Second time in
my life I've called nine one one an old guy
in the wheelchairs on Montgomery Road. Would you have called
Tony Bender? I would have called shaff one out there,
and I I hope hey go back to the nursing

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home or wherever you hell you? Was that real or
not only your hairdresser nose? For sure, I'm gonna getting
Tony Pike in there at some point. He does not
believe in Neil Armstrong human existed. You met the guy,
but you you weren't with him when he walked on
the moon? Were you no? Were you with him?

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
Yes? Or no?

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
I was only eleven years old. Were you answer the
question that they didn't have any room for me in
the lunar Montay or no? What were you with him
or not?

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
So you have to rely you aren't either. You were
about eight, weren't you? No, twenty seven twenty one, I
was married. I'm watching it my Sony Trinitron, and nobody
believed that was nobody either. I had a nineteen and
Sony Trinitron. I lived at eleven oh five Dana Avenue
and apartment number fourteen.

Speaker 11 (01:34:45):
You know what, They had to make that a national
historical site now to see it now?

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Yeah, Section eight all the way with Ted McKay anyway.

Speaker 11 (01:34:54):
So I guess that's all fake too, that they're showing
up watching this guys. I'm thinking, yeah, can't they make
those things a little bit more space?

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Got the Canadian flag up there? One of the astronauts
is a Canadian man.

Speaker 11 (01:35:04):
I think so America is either already celebrating two hundred
and fifty years of America with Sarah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Laise asked me one day and I said, what She said,
do you think anyone's had sex in space? And I said,
so far, all dudes have gone up there? What's the
one in the middle right there? Second? What I'm saying,
I mean, but what about Sally Rode before this? What
about Sally this clown? I'm talking about Sally Rode Paulo

(01:35:30):
one two three, sal Ride went into space? You fool?

Speaker 11 (01:35:34):
I know she did on What about the early days,
Gus grifsom bitch all men?

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Things have changed? Yeah, things have You're not answering the question.
It's we're not real. Remember there's any couple had sex
in space? Yes or no? You tell me yes, Sarah Elise,
you tell me look on your phone. In the place
you'd have sex is in space. The place let's have
sex and space? There is the there it is? What

(01:35:59):
does happening? That was a woman? She identifies? You know
who can answer that? Kid? Chris?

Speaker 11 (01:36:07):
You would know, yes, he knows everything about that sounds
most of his time and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Spacey's taking me out of the Steward's report. Please, I
can't take this, Tony Pike things tell me all upset.
I thought he was a bright man, he thinks, and
Tom Weim is not sure it's happening. They're returning to earth. No,
it's all a video thing. Hey, I it's made up
that blast off a week ago that didn't There's millions
of people watching it. They were all ai generated. Okay,

(01:36:35):
will you and honor of a nice day here in
the tri State. And uh, let's get sensible. How about
Joe Deeter's attorney general. We leave you with the immortal
words of the Stood report.

Speaker 8 (01:36:47):
Now we need to stop kicking the can down the
road and stop delaying this effort.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Cecil Thomas, isn't it. I'm sorry, somebody somebody's Yeah, that's him.
It's time to do what then quit kicking the can
down the road? Aft tab I think he's kicking someone
else's can right now. That's a different issue. That's true.
It's time to quit pussy footing around. Would you agree? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:37:13):
Yeah, talk tough. And you know who we need in
office Joe Dieters. No, he's going to Washington. Who Chaz
Charlie Lucan mayor.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
All you need to know is yeah, with the.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Bank account of Republicans and the sex life of a
democratic Charlie knows both.

Speaker 11 (01:37:28):
Believe me, he's rich, he's a sexy make he's planning
the coup at Luca's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Someone needs to take it. I'm just as horrified about
it as everybody else. I'm gonna send those cuts to
the Attorney General Design and take Chance Lucan and Choe Dieters,
who's out because code red on a rambe. But they
say Pete's against him, So the White House will be
for jobing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Nobody knows what the hell you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Thank you, Thank you, Chance, that's for sure. That's your
forty five here, you're right here? Is that happening right there?
On CNN's got this guy in space that's in it
sound studio, a little bit more spacious space look, and
they got the thumbs up and everything. And the one
woman had the frizzy hair was not all made up
to remember her. She was locked in space for too
long and she got frizzy hair. Would you have sex

(01:38:13):
in space with Sarah Elise? Yes or no? Yes? No,
I Wan would go to space. I'd stay right I'm
staying right here on mother Earth. You'd have sex with
her hair?

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
No, I wouldn't We'll see what happens. Let's continue with
more sick, sick sick. Eddie Fingers is naked. He had
sex in space. I bet you on news radio seven
hundred ww