November 11, 2025 • 41 mins
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Speaker 5 (02:41):
Hey, everybody, I'm welcome Jackie, Thank you, thank you, glad
to be here, so excited. I was really excited about
joining you today. So I'm really interested in getting into
some good conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Absolutely, so tell us we usually start out from the
childhood or you if you have a moment on a
positive person who left a remarkable impression on you and
that left you like energized or like something positive.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
That's a really interesting question. You know, ideally there have
been several people that have made that kind of impression,
but the first person that really made the greatest impression
on me probably was my own mother, seeing her as
a single mom. I come from a two parent household,
but my parents are divorced. And seeing my mother thrive
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and conquer milestone after milestone with her own education, her career,
and then being able to give me the life that
my peers had from a two parent household, it was
inspirational and it really empowered me for all that women
can do. So that was my groundwork.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
M Oh fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
So as you grew up, thank your interest take you.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
You know, I am a person and that's a real
funny question that people often laughed because I'm a person
that has worn numerous hats. I've owned five brick and
mortar businesses. I have moved through and evolved through different
career paths where I was started out my early career,
I'm wicked smart in the sciences, and I was going
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to go down the pathway of being a pharmacist and ideally,
you know, I think all of that has led me
to coaching because in my earliest career journeys, the one constant,
the one consistency, was that no matter what I touched,
I was gifted at being able to coach and train others.
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And it became synonymous with no matter where I worked,
no matter which Fortune five hundred company I was working
with or working for, or no matter what business I started,
it all roads always led back to coaching and training,
and so it became constant. It became more of my
zone of genius, and it's where you know, I feel
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the most fulfilled.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So out of all of your corporate jobs, which one
would you say you enjoyed.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
The most or that kind of.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Like, you know, it was some challenging.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Any experiences from there that you would still carry with you.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Wow, you know, I have really had an amazing career
journey in corporate, but there were two companies that really
hit home for me. The first one is that when
I decided I didn't want to do pharmacy and it
wasn't my jam. Like many people, if you're not going
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to become a clinician of some sort, you wind up
likely in some healthcare field. I was no different, and
so I evolved and wound upon and Johnson Pharmaceuticals. I
was there for almost eleven years, and the work and
the environment as a hospital specialist, which is what I
was during that time and frame, was so powerful for
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me because it allowed me to really hone in on
the core of once again helping others understanding what their
real problems were and providing solutions that could help them
get to a better place in their lives in their
health care journey. And so that was really really powerful.
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It was when the early juices of my innovation and
mindset came to pull as I, you know, stepped into
the environments of winning standards of leadership and all kinds
of other accolades They're all those things were great, but
they still didn't have the same impact that I had
when I knew that I helped a family, or I
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saw somebody's life change or some one's child really make
a difference from the medication that they had tried based
upon the recommendation I was making to the physician. So
I really really love that, and I'd say, if I
had to pick a second, I worked for Walter's Clure
designing med school curriculum, and I absolutely love that because
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it allowed me, you know, even though I don't want
to be a pharmacist, that passion is always there on
the healthcare side, and being able to lean in with
some of the world's top clinicians, authors, editors in the
healthcare space designing that M one M two curriculum. I
love that, and it was a wonderful place for me
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to meet some amazing people that I still hold near
and dear to meet today.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So what would you say were a couple of challenges
that you've faced in those careers?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You know, I think it wasn't necessarily that I had
a challenge in the career. It was more around having
a challenge within my inner self knowing that, you know what,
I love this and I can do this, and I'm
good at it. I'm great at it. But there was
something that was always in me, that that entrepreneur bug
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was always there. I think that's why I always rocked
the nine to five and five to nine. I was
always doing both. I think that inner turmoil of knowing
that I wanted to be my own boss, and beyond
being my own boss, because a lot of people may
want to do that, I wanted to do good for
the world. I wanted to do something different and more.
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And so that was my own inner turmoil that what
I would say.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
And how did you deal with it?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You know, it was a struggle us. I'll be honest.
You know, for for almost two decades, I spent you know,
working in corporate graffling with the idea of is this
something I should do full time? And for many it
probably looked like, God, she's a you know, always to something.
She's always doing something. She's starting a different business, she's
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working at a different company, she's always doing something. And
I had tenure. But what I learned and how I
dealt with it is where I stand today. Most times
when I'm coaching people are always taking back around the
breath of knowledge that I have around so many diverse experience,
whether it's entrepreneurship, healthcare, retail, food services, and they're like,
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how do you know so much about so many different avenues?
It came from me dabbling in all these arenas early
on in my career finding myself, which is like many
of our listeners, we're all finding ourselves. And so that
depth of wisdom and knowledge that I spent throughout decades
of my career journey led me to a space where
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I feel somewhat of a subject matter expert in some
distinctive area.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
So it was a good thing, definitely. So let's jump
into it and.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know, share with our audience, like, you know, the
value that they can take away from our conversation. So
there's so many people right like they are thinking, oh,
I do I just want to be an individual contributor.
And I know you've worked with executives as well, so
there's some hesitation Like sometimes especially you know a lot
of women and men, like you know, when they're in
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the tech they have the options of just kind of
being a tech leader, which is still let's say somebody
is a software engineer. They just kind of go directly
in that path, or it can go in the people management.
So sometimes that question lingers. What would you tell them?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
You know, I would say dive in. You know, if
you think that it's something that your heart has passion
for and you're good at it, dive in because that
exposure and that experience may lead you to the pathway
of your ultimate landing journey. So we need to dive in.
You know, we're by nature. And I always laugh when
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people like I don't want to try too many different things.
I don't want to get off into many things. By nature,
especially women. By nature, we're designed to do more than
one thing and to try different things and experience different things.
That's the only way that we would know if it's
the right thing. And so I would say dive in.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And yet there's that hesitation, right, what if this decision
was wrong?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
What could they share it themselves?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Well, you know, as any good coach would tell them,
just the I just saw a quote I think that
Denzel Washington just posted last week, and it talked about
the essence of the trials, the tribulations, the issues that
we experience are actually the gifts because they're the things
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that teach us about how our path forward should be.
How I teach about resilience, it teaches us about the
appreciation for the good things in our life when we
experience adversity. So you know, I'm here for it. I'm
here for it.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And what are some of the factors people can know
that they're ready for a promotion? M that's what they
implement so that they can go and educate for themselves.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
That's a wonderful question as I think about what I
would tell someone that is interested in a promotion is
to think about, you know, where am I really valued most?
And then speak to your own leadership, your peers and
partners that collaborate and work with you. Do they see
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you as you see yourself. Oftentimes people are always saying, hey,
I want more money, I want to get promoted, and maybe,
just maybe you're not ready. And so we have to
reaffirm for ourselves, not that we are the only ones
that think that, you know, giving ourselves that ad a boy,
but that others see our work as value added. And
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if you ask the right questions and you're getting the
feedback time and time again, pretty consistent, you can best
get that I'm probably ready, and if you are ready,
then you know, I'm always a strong proponent of rich feedback.
So we don't wait until we're ready to get promoted
to ask the hard questions or to carver our pathway.
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It's consistent. It's so we're asking for we're making people
aware of what our needs, our desires, and our hopes
and dreams and what we want out of life and
our career paths, and we're routine with it, and then
we carve out the pathway to get there alongside.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
So yeah, and one of the key things so many
times happens is like, you know, since we're on the
topic of tech, let's kind of stick with it.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
That well, it so happens sometimes like in the tech world,
or even if it's it, you know, there are certain
careers where you still don't find as many women. And
so in those careers, like you know, one of my
client was an accountant. Some of them are in like
a very very high tech area or lawyers, and they'll
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come and say, I'm the only one in the room
as a woman, and.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
All these men don't get me.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, And so many times what happens is that they
do miss the camaraderie of having other women. What are
some of the things, especially you know, as you're getting
promoted and you are seeing that this is an option,
how can women step into their discomfort just to yeah,
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so rather.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Than considering themselves as one person.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Not out of it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Are we still talking tech?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
All right? So in the tech space in particular, the
one thing that we have going for us as women
is that we've made many, many great innovations and developments
in this space. We are early adopters to this space.
We're the ones the risk takers in this space, and
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so we're not as far back as one might think
as it clones to tech in general, especially when it
comes to AI and some of the other new developments
that are happening. But I would say that if you
are an individual that you feel like you're the lonely
only and you're a person that is in this space
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and you haven't seen the enlightenment and the opportunities come
full circle, we have to think about how we are
articulating our value. And I think that's the first thing.
You know, people can't trust who they don't know, they
can't engage what they can't see, they can't believe in
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where they don't see the value, and so we have
to make sure that early and often we are routinely
displaying our value. You know, we don't just sit quietly
at the boardroom in the conference room when we have
an idea or a thought or value to add to
the table, especially when it comes to technology in AI
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and innovation, we need to speak up.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Absolutely. Yeah, let's say if we were to now take
it into just generic area like it so happens that
sometimes you know, like you said, I really love what
you said that lonely only in the room. So based
on what you're telling, what I'm hearing is that then
you share value, you are going to be building influence
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because influence is not waiting until the end of the year.
Thinking ahead of time and being strategic about it. So
what are your some of the favorite strategies that your
clients have seen successful.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, I think that not only articulating value, but displaying
it as well. Right, I mean, we could say all
day long that hey, I'm valuable like I do the good.
The reality is that I've got to see it to
believe it. So displaying it and articulating the value. My
biggest thing with clients. You know, I'm a pro proonent.
I wrote an article this past year and Forbes around
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intrinsic value and being able to talk to our audience
about and our clients and our peers, partners and our
families about how we amplify our work, you know, whether
we're displaying it articulating it. You know, that's the first
place that I focus. Owning your own intrinsic value, because
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at the end of the day, you can work for
an amazing company, have dynamic ideas, and you really can
be valuable but still be overlooked. When you know your
intrinsic value, and when I try to encourage our clients
to see and own it, you don't stay in environments
where they don't serve you. You don't stay in environments
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where they can't see you or they don't witness or
acknowledge your greatness. And so that's the first thing, own
your own intrinsic value, so that it becomes that guide
en compass that directs your career, your life, your leadership
and beyond.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
That's a very powerful point that own your intrinsic value,
because here's the thing if you don't see the value
that you're bringing, it is hard to advocate for yourself
and influence others.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
To see that.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, it becomes a struggle bus for so many
And it is the one fine I think that no
matter whether I'm coaching a C suite executive or early
career professional, it's hard to own that. And even if
they believe in their own intrinsic value, somewhere along the line,
there is some saboteur, you know, that comes in and
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makes us read the routine and lose sight of the
vision that got us here. So it's really important.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Absolutely, that is so powerful. And so now we have
talked about people who are already in the jobs, but
so many times what happens is that people are being
laid off, and unfortunately a lot of people have been
laid off during this time and the market is tough.
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What are some of the key things that you would
share with them for the job search and getting back.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
In the job market.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, there's a multiplex of thing that I think should
and could be done, but none of them, and I repeat,
none of them are done in this moment where we
are now. Our lives are about staying ready and that means,
you know, I am famous for saying that no Americans
should be without a residual source of income. I think
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it's really really important. And what that looks like in
a corporate setting may look different. Obviously, if you are
the chief executive officer at a company, it may be
challenging for you to have a five to nine. I'm
not saying it in that context. Maybe it means that
you're selling one powerful piece of real estate each year
on the side that becomes your residual. Maybe it's you're
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consulting or advocating in some way outside of the workspace
that's in a non compete competitive way. Maybe you know,
and making sure that your employers are okay with that,
you know, being transparent upfront when you first take the job.
But the key here is to stay ready, own your
skill sets, be mindfully aware of where there's gray matter. Now,
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you know, I do a self assessment annually at least
twice a year, where I'm looking at everything that's going
on in the world. What don't I know? Where am
I not wicked smart? Where am I missing some of
the puzzle pieces? And when I get there, that's where
I spend my investment in myself. I invest in those
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opportunities to learn and grow. That's what brought me to
the space of many of my clients and myself owning
this space of AI. I was an early adopter to
it because I knew, I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Know what is this, how is this?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Where is this? And I made myself immersed in it
so that I could really speak confidently about, you know,
the decisions that I wanted to make. And that's what
I encourage anyone that's listening to do, is that own
your gray matter, you know, own it, know it, and
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make that where you make the greatest investment in your
life for professional development. Stay ready, you know, have a
residual source, because it's not when these times are going
to come, you know, or if it's when right, and
so we have to be prepared for it no matter what.
But as it relates to job search, the one thing
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that I'm always tickled about, you know, is when I'm
working with clients and I'm thinking and I'm asking them,
I said, you know, what percentage of your LinkedIn are
people that are in your industry? And they're like, oh,
about eighty ninety percent And I'm like, yeah, there in
lies the problem, i e. LinkedIn. It's meant for you
to network beyond your comfort zone, right to link with
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people that are not in your industry that you don't know,
so that when times like these present themselves, you have
a vast array of networks to go to to engage.
Because right now, applying for a job LinkedIn will kill
me for saying it, but it's not it. You're going
to have to pull out the application, C suite or otherwise.
But you still need to network, you know, and exhaust
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the possibilities of network. And if you've done one thing
one way, don't go back and do it tomorrow or
next week. If it didn't serve you, you know, find
new ways to network and understand the hiring patterns. What
I've noticed, Givah is a lot of people as of late,
have been really disappointed about the amount of no's that
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they're receiving. You know, it's just one at all levels,
you know, and these are amazingly smart individuals. But the
reality of it is, when we don't understand the hiring
patterns and the seasons for opportunities, sometimes we you know,
get lost in the storm. It's fourth quarter. Sure, there
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are some jobs out there, but they're not plentiful, right,
so we have to be mindful that, you know, we
normally see a little bit of a hiring freeze in
the four quarter and be ramped up for Q one.
So just some of the little tips about understanding, knowing, networking,
and having residual kind of put you in a sweet
spot so that you're not as distressed when you know,
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a forced pause happens.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I really like what you mentioned about being ready because
as the trends we have seen, right because like beforehand,
people would join a job and they would retired, they
would get the pension, but those times have changed. So
from there we went into full time employees. From there,
now we're getting into gig economy where a lot of
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companies don't want to hire regular employees, yeah, versus that
are going for ten ninety nine And surprisingly, as a
matter of factor, they've One of my clients in the
morning was sharing that she does real estate. She is
also a content influencer, and.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
While she is.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
A data scientist and of course she's gen z self
starter and she's like, I don't.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Want to be in that place.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So it's such a perfect comparison to what you're recommending.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
That it's important, it's important to.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Be ready, and she's like, oh, yeah, you know, if
I were to get laid off, I know that I'm
not going to be as distressed as if I did
not have anything. So you mentioned some very noother important
point about knowing the trends, so share with us usually
what are the hiring friends.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
So, in general, by and large, Q one we see
a ramp up, right, everybody's got their budget approve and
their contracts are happening, consultancies are happening, people are bringing
on new hires, and so that's Q one. Maybe around
Q two we see some still subtle hiring, but there's
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somewhat of a lull. The only industries historically that I've
seen that really haven't adhere to that have been retail, hospitality,
and healthcare, right because they've got some constants with seasonality
and they're consistent pretty much, so they're always seasonally going
to have something going on because of the nature of
the beasts. Right, we travel, we shop seasonally, habits. Then
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we roll into September, late August, September, maybe the first
even the first week or so of October, where you
see people wrap up hiring again because they know that
if I haven't spent my budget in September, I'm not
going to get it again next year. So you see
some hiring happening or some spend happening, you know, if
you're a consultant in ninety nine or such. And then,
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like I said, Q four, we roll into this space
where hiring freezes are happening again. This doesn't mean that
there aren't any jobs out there, because please believe, I
see jobs every day, but they aren't as plentiful as
we likely usually see in Q. One. But we're in
a new time. We've got a new sheriff in town,
and we've got things happening very differently across the United States.
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And so even this pattern may not feel as constant
or consistent or stable as what we're used to. And
so it leads us back to what I said earlier,
staying ready, be aware, stay.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Ready, and look for the patterns, you know, be aware
of what's going on. Absolutely so some of these are
very very relevant and helpful points. Now, let's say you know,
somebody finds a job. They're doing good, they're like good settled.
But so many times what happens is that I get
clients will come to me and say that, yeah, you know,
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I'm feeling good, good pay scale. They may even have
a partner who's making good money tally, I l like fulfillment,
you know, I'm not getting that joy and I'm experiencing
that bone out.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Have you also experienced that? And what are some of
the tips you would share with them?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you spot on. We're writing
in alignment there. You know, reality is that my clients
that make the most money oftentimes are the least fulfilled.
And I think that there is part for the course
around that because they've lost sight of the joy that
brought them to the role. They've lost sight, you know,
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heavy as the hat that wears the crown. You know,
when you're in those positions and high profile you know,
roles and careers, it taxes us. It takes a lot
out of us to really manage and lead an organization
and inspire and motivate our peers and our teams and
just you know, really be transformative in nature. That's hard
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to always be on. And what that does is it
takes us away from our family. They have very little
time for self, you know, and so our healthcare may
suffer a little bit, and we really just don't have
the time to just decompress and relax because we all
know that in any career pathway, it doesn't matter what
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you're doing, if you're the receptionist answering the phone or
you're the C suite person running a company, we all
need to reset, restore, and renew. And when we don't
have that time, it creates a space where there's distress
and stress around us. So my one infinite word of
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wisdom is to block time for self at any level
of your career. It's invaluable because it gives your back
the essence of who you are, why you're there, and
it allows you to think clearly about why I want
to stay yep.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, And it's absolutely the thing that people need to
do because the question is.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
If not now, then when?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah? Absolutely So.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
What different types of executive challenges your clients have faced?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Oh wow, I think the biggest challenge that I've seen
right now has been career elevation and the ability for
people to be heard in the workspace. You know, it's
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a space, it's a very uncomfortable space that we're in
right now because being heard could be around a multiplex
of things. It could be around culture, community, you know,
gender equality, it could be sustainability, it could be so
many different things. But there's a fear factor of do
anything Do I put myself at risk? Am I the
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loudest voice in the room. Are they going to look
at me indifferent? Do I have any allies? It's so
being able to speak with confidence and clarity has been
a huge barrier for most And even when my clients
don't know that that's their problem, I know it's their problem, right,
And so that clarity code is what you know I
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coach around is so important. The other thing is there
is an again going back to this, uh, there's an
ongoing issue of am I being paid for my worth?
Am I being compensated for my work? So right now
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companies are getting leaner. We're seeing ourselves doing way more
work than we signed up for, way more work than
maybe the job description. If I'm ninety nine and I'm
a fractional, I'm doing you know, my job and somebody
else's as well. It's like, did I sign up for
this and I'm not being fairly compensated for this? And
I would say this if it wasn't here before and
(32:09):
it's here now. You may want to just try to
navigate and whether the storm because opportunities are a little
bit scarce. There's a lot of amazing people in the
job market right now, and if you have a job,
I encourage you to keep it right now. And that's
one piece of the puzzle. But being able to again
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all roads leading back to communication, being able to have
that honest, you know, rich level of communication to share
with the leader or a thought partner or whomever that
this looks and feels different than what I signed on
for or I'm totally in to put in the work.
(32:54):
Let's talk about what this may look like for future
compensation increase and things of that nature. But we're afraid
to have the conversations. And if you're afraid to have
the conversations, then you can't you should, you know, not
even complain. You've got to be a conversation.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
That's such a great point because recently I was having
a conversation with one of my clients where she said
that that I've only been with the company for like
ten was it, I think so like eighteen months or
something like that, and she was doing sort of without
like you know, in divulging the client confidentiality in their company.
(33:35):
The philosophy was that your work cross door needs to
be filled up with seventy five eighty percent and you
have room more for to grow. And she had one
hundred and thirty percent. So we were having this conversation,
like I want a promotion. I'm like, listen, like you said,
you know, the jobs are scarce. I said, go ahead,
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and let's brainstorm, like co create a plan where you
are checking, like you know, how long does it take
for the promotional cycle in your company? If the promotion happens,
what's the compensation? So this way, when you get it,
you're not in for a disappointment, because it's important to
have that dat show reality like you said, like you know,
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jobs are scarce, live out the store. So we kind
of work through it and she did get a title,
and but the compensation.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Was as not as much. So she came back very disappointed.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
And then we said, like okay, I said, why don't
we go back to our conversation three months back when
we were planning for your promotion. She went back, looked
at her notes and said, oh yeah. So as we
were exploring, I said, okay, what's the silver lining here.
She's like, Oh, I can take this experience, have it
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on my resume, and go somewhere else for my compensation.
So based on what you're sharing, you know, it's the
eventness and the perspective that we bring to the situation
can change so much differently. So when people so many
times they have a toxic boss or somebody in that situation,
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what would you part like, you know, what would you
tell them and how would you partner with them to
help them move through that toxic journey?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, well, one have the conversation because toxicity will take
over sometimes that leader doesn't even realize that they're the
toxic source. So as best you can without burning any bridges,
still have the conversation. But I think that we need
to remind ourselves of this is that remind yourself about
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why you fell in love with the work. Because no
matter what job you hold, no matter what company you
work for, no matter what compensation or title that you have,
if the work no longer soothes you, you won't be there,
no matter what salary. And so it's important that we
fall in love with the work we're doing and do
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the best work. And because leaders come and go we
could have an amazing job, an amazing leader. You and
I've both seen it right. Person gets this new job there,
Oh my god, this is so amazing. I love this career.
And then the tides change. The boss retires, the boss leaves,
the boss gets let go, and now everything feels just
(36:35):
a little bit different. But when we remind ourselves while
we're there, fall in love with the work, not your boss,
not your company, but fall in love with the work.
If the work still meets your needs and your goals,
then you go to work, you show up, you do
great work, You fall in love with the work, and
you let it go and you find filming externally from
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the workplace. If you're no longer in love with the
work and it's in tandem with a taxi ox costs,
then you need to contact you or I about the
opportunity for coaching to another opportunity.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Absolutely, some powerful things there.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So you're kind of coming to the end of the show.
So what are some of the other things that are
in your heart that you'd love to share with your audience?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, I mean, I think right now, for me,
what's on my heart and my mind is for anyone
that is seeking career, life and leadership fulfillment is to
remind themselves of where their zone of genius is. You know,
where do you show up with minimal effort and lean
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into those things. That's where you're going to find the
happiest levels of fulfillment. If it's where you're working, great,
If it's someplace else, great, go after it. Give yourself
options because life is about options, and that means, you know,
maybe rocking that nine to five, in that five to nine,
are finding some other residual sources of income and maintain
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these several people in your life. I believe everyone, every
human should have a sponsor, a mentor of what I
call a growth friend, a coach, and for God's sake,
a therapist. I think that's vital individuals in a life trajectory.
Somewhere along the lines. You don't necessarily need the therapists
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all the time, but maybe have them on speeddalt for
when you do have these people in your life. Because
what I have found is that the people that are
the most successful, the most fulfilled, they have that village
and they're external to their family and friends, and that
village empowers you to do so many things and to
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achieve and conquer and have a plan for resistance because
guess what, we always need.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
One absolutely powerful. So Jackie, I'm sure that you know
listeners will be thinking, Okay, how can we contact Jackie?
So tell us where can you be reached? Yeah, tell
us about your services? Yep.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So I am leaning into the art of essentialism, and
my ecosystem does two things pretty powerfully. I do one
on one executive coaching and I also do what I
like to call keynotes with clients, and that's where I
have some very succinct specialized areas where I come out
and do an experiential kind of keynote with application attached
(39:38):
to it. All that can be found at www. The
Career Doctor llc dot com. I'm also leaning into AI,
like every other good person out here that's trying to
feel that great matter. And if you want to know
more about my particular AI and how it's helping people
amplify their communication strategy and over to Www. Engage XAI
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dot ile.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Well, fantastic. Thank you so much for joining us. It
was such a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Same here. I absolutely loved it and invite me back anytime.
I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
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Speaker 5 (02:41):
Hey, everybody, I'm welcome Jackie, Thank you, thank you, glad
to be here, so excited. I was really excited about
joining you today. So I'm really interested in getting into
some good conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Absolutely, so tell us we usually start out from the
childhood or you if you have a moment on a
positive person who left a remarkable impression on you and
that left you like energized or like something positive.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
That's a really interesting question. You know, ideally there have
been several people that have made that kind of impression,
but the first person that really made the greatest impression
on me probably was my own mother, seeing her as
a single mom. I come from a two parent household,
but my parents are divorced. And seeing my mother thrive
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and conquer milestone after milestone with her own education, her career,
and then being able to give me the life that
my peers had from a two parent household, it was
inspirational and it really empowered me for all that women
can do. So that was my groundwork.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
M Oh fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
So as you grew up, thank your interest take you.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
You know, I am a person and that's a real
funny question that people often laughed because I'm a person
that has worn numerous hats. I've owned five brick and
mortar businesses. I have moved through and evolved through different
career paths where I was started out my early career,
I'm wicked smart in the sciences, and I was going
(04:27):
to go down the pathway of being a pharmacist and ideally,
you know, I think all of that has led me
to coaching because in my earliest career journeys, the one constant,
the one consistency, was that no matter what I touched,
I was gifted at being able to coach and train others.
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And it became synonymous with no matter where I worked,
no matter which Fortune five hundred company I was working
with or working for, or no matter what business I started,
it all roads always led back to coaching and training,
and so it became constant. It became more of my
zone of genius, and it's where you know, I feel
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the most fulfilled.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So out of all of your corporate jobs, which one
would you say you enjoyed.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
The most or that kind of.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Like, you know, it was some challenging.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Any experiences from there that you would still carry with you.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Wow, you know, I have really had an amazing career
journey in corporate, but there were two companies that really
hit home for me. The first one is that when
I decided I didn't want to do pharmacy and it
wasn't my jam. Like many people, if you're not going
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to become a clinician of some sort, you wind up
likely in some healthcare field. I was no different, and
so I evolved and wound upon and Johnson Pharmaceuticals. I
was there for almost eleven years, and the work and
the environment as a hospital specialist, which is what I
was during that time and frame, was so powerful for
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me because it allowed me to really hone in on
the core of once again helping others understanding what their
real problems were and providing solutions that could help them
get to a better place in their lives in their
health care journey. And so that was really really powerful.
(06:36):
It was when the early juices of my innovation and
mindset came to pull as I, you know, stepped into
the environments of winning standards of leadership and all kinds
of other accolades They're all those things were great, but
they still didn't have the same impact that I had
when I knew that I helped a family, or I
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saw somebody's life change or some one's child really make
a difference from the medication that they had tried based
upon the recommendation I was making to the physician. So
I really really love that, and I'd say, if I
had to pick a second, I worked for Walter's Clure
designing med school curriculum, and I absolutely love that because
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it allowed me, you know, even though I don't want
to be a pharmacist, that passion is always there on
the healthcare side, and being able to lean in with
some of the world's top clinicians, authors, editors in the
healthcare space designing that M one M two curriculum. I
love that, and it was a wonderful place for me
(07:40):
to meet some amazing people that I still hold near
and dear to meet today.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So what would you say were a couple of challenges
that you've faced in those careers?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You know, I think it wasn't necessarily that I had
a challenge in the career. It was more around having
a challenge within my inner self knowing that, you know what,
I love this and I can do this, and I'm
good at it. I'm great at it. But there was
something that was always in me, that that entrepreneur bug
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was always there. I think that's why I always rocked
the nine to five and five to nine. I was
always doing both. I think that inner turmoil of knowing
that I wanted to be my own boss, and beyond
being my own boss, because a lot of people may
want to do that, I wanted to do good for
the world. I wanted to do something different and more.
(08:35):
And so that was my own inner turmoil that what
I would say.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
And how did you deal with it?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You know, it was a struggle us. I'll be honest.
You know, for for almost two decades, I spent you know,
working in corporate graffling with the idea of is this
something I should do full time? And for many it
probably looked like, God, she's a you know, always to something.
She's always doing something. She's starting a different business, she's
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working at a different company, she's always doing something. And
I had tenure. But what I learned and how I
dealt with it is where I stand today. Most times
when I'm coaching people are always taking back around the
breath of knowledge that I have around so many diverse experience,
whether it's entrepreneurship, healthcare, retail, food services, and they're like,
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how do you know so much about so many different avenues?
It came from me dabbling in all these arenas early
on in my career finding myself, which is like many
of our listeners, we're all finding ourselves. And so that
depth of wisdom and knowledge that I spent throughout decades
of my career journey led me to a space where
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I feel somewhat of a subject matter expert in some
distinctive area.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
So it was a good thing, definitely. So let's jump
into it and.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know, share with our audience, like, you know, the
value that they can take away from our conversation. So
there's so many people right like they are thinking, oh,
I do I just want to be an individual contributor.
And I know you've worked with executives as well, so
there's some hesitation Like sometimes especially you know a lot
of women and men, like you know, when they're in
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the tech they have the options of just kind of
being a tech leader, which is still let's say somebody
is a software engineer. They just kind of go directly
in that path, or it can go in the people management.
So sometimes that question lingers. What would you tell them?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
You know, I would say dive in. You know, if
you think that it's something that your heart has passion
for and you're good at it, dive in because that
exposure and that experience may lead you to the pathway
of your ultimate landing journey. So we need to dive in.
You know, we're by nature. And I always laugh when
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people like I don't want to try too many different things.
I don't want to get off into many things. By nature,
especially women. By nature, we're designed to do more than
one thing and to try different things and experience different things.
That's the only way that we would know if it's
the right thing. And so I would say dive in.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And yet there's that hesitation, right, what if this decision
was wrong?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
What could they share it themselves?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Well, you know, as any good coach would tell them,
just the I just saw a quote I think that
Denzel Washington just posted last week, and it talked about
the essence of the trials, the tribulations, the issues that
we experience are actually the gifts because they're the things
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that teach us about how our path forward should be.
How I teach about resilience, it teaches us about the
appreciation for the good things in our life when we
experience adversity. So you know, I'm here for it. I'm
here for it.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And what are some of the factors people can know
that they're ready for a promotion? M that's what they
implement so that they can go and educate for themselves.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
That's a wonderful question as I think about what I
would tell someone that is interested in a promotion is
to think about, you know, where am I really valued most?
And then speak to your own leadership, your peers and
partners that collaborate and work with you. Do they see
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you as you see yourself. Oftentimes people are always saying, hey,
I want more money, I want to get promoted, and maybe,
just maybe you're not ready. And so we have to
reaffirm for ourselves, not that we are the only ones
that think that, you know, giving ourselves that ad a boy,
but that others see our work as value added. And
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if you ask the right questions and you're getting the
feedback time and time again, pretty consistent, you can best
get that I'm probably ready, and if you are ready,
then you know, I'm always a strong proponent of rich feedback.
So we don't wait until we're ready to get promoted
to ask the hard questions or to carver our pathway.
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It's consistent. It's so we're asking for we're making people
aware of what our needs, our desires, and our hopes
and dreams and what we want out of life and
our career paths, and we're routine with it, and then
we carve out the pathway to get there alongside.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
So yeah, and one of the key things so many
times happens is like, you know, since we're on the
topic of tech, let's kind of stick with it.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
That well, it so happens sometimes like in the tech world,
or even if it's it, you know, there are certain
careers where you still don't find as many women. And
so in those careers, like you know, one of my
client was an accountant. Some of them are in like
a very very high tech area or lawyers, and they'll
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come and say, I'm the only one in the room
as a woman, and.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
All these men don't get me.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, And so many times what happens is that they
do miss the camaraderie of having other women. What are
some of the things, especially you know, as you're getting
promoted and you are seeing that this is an option,
how can women step into their discomfort just to yeah,
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so rather.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Than considering themselves as one person.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Not out of it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Are we still talking tech?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
All right? So in the tech space in particular, the
one thing that we have going for us as women
is that we've made many, many great innovations and developments
in this space. We are early adopters to this space.
We're the ones the risk takers in this space, and
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so we're not as far back as one might think
as it clones to tech in general, especially when it
comes to AI and some of the other new developments
that are happening. But I would say that if you
are an individual that you feel like you're the lonely
only and you're a person that is in this space
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and you haven't seen the enlightenment and the opportunities come
full circle, we have to think about how we are
articulating our value. And I think that's the first thing.
You know, people can't trust who they don't know, they
can't engage what they can't see, they can't believe in
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where they don't see the value, and so we have
to make sure that early and often we are routinely
displaying our value. You know, we don't just sit quietly
at the boardroom in the conference room when we have
an idea or a thought or value to add to
the table, especially when it comes to technology in AI
(16:33):
and innovation, we need to speak up.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Absolutely. Yeah, let's say if we were to now take
it into just generic area like it so happens that
sometimes you know, like you said, I really love what
you said that lonely only in the room. So based
on what you're telling, what I'm hearing is that then
you share value, you are going to be building influence
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because influence is not waiting until the end of the year.
Thinking ahead of time and being strategic about it. So
what are your some of the favorite strategies that your
clients have seen successful.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, I think that not only articulating value, but displaying
it as well. Right, I mean, we could say all
day long that hey, I'm valuable like I do the good.
The reality is that I've got to see it to
believe it. So displaying it and articulating the value. My
biggest thing with clients. You know, I'm a pro proonent.
I wrote an article this past year and Forbes around
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intrinsic value and being able to talk to our audience
about and our clients and our peers, partners and our
families about how we amplify our work, you know, whether
we're displaying it articulating it. You know, that's the first
place that I focus. Owning your own intrinsic value, because
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at the end of the day, you can work for
an amazing company, have dynamic ideas, and you really can
be valuable but still be overlooked. When you know your
intrinsic value, and when I try to encourage our clients
to see and own it, you don't stay in environments
where they don't serve you. You don't stay in environments
(18:20):
where they can't see you or they don't witness or
acknowledge your greatness. And so that's the first thing, own
your own intrinsic value, so that it becomes that guide
en compass that directs your career, your life, your leadership
and beyond.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
That's a very powerful point that own your intrinsic value,
because here's the thing if you don't see the value
that you're bringing, it is hard to advocate for yourself
and influence others.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
To see that.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, it becomes a struggle bus for so many
And it is the one fine I think that no
matter whether I'm coaching a C suite executive or early
career professional, it's hard to own that. And even if
they believe in their own intrinsic value, somewhere along the line,
there is some saboteur, you know, that comes in and
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makes us read the routine and lose sight of the
vision that got us here. So it's really important.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Absolutely, that is so powerful. And so now we have
talked about people who are already in the jobs, but
so many times what happens is that people are being
laid off, and unfortunately a lot of people have been
laid off during this time and the market is tough.
(19:46):
What are some of the key things that you would
share with them for the job search and getting back.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
In the job market.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, there's a multiplex of thing that I think should
and could be done, but none of them, and I repeat,
none of them are done in this moment where we
are now. Our lives are about staying ready and that means,
you know, I am famous for saying that no Americans
should be without a residual source of income. I think
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it's really really important. And what that looks like in
a corporate setting may look different. Obviously, if you are
the chief executive officer at a company, it may be
challenging for you to have a five to nine. I'm
not saying it in that context. Maybe it means that
you're selling one powerful piece of real estate each year
on the side that becomes your residual. Maybe it's you're
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consulting or advocating in some way outside of the workspace
that's in a non compete competitive way. Maybe you know,
and making sure that your employers are okay with that,
you know, being transparent upfront when you first take the job.
But the key here is to stay ready, own your
skill sets, be mindfully aware of where there's gray matter. Now,
(21:06):
you know, I do a self assessment annually at least
twice a year, where I'm looking at everything that's going
on in the world. What don't I know? Where am
I not wicked smart? Where am I missing some of
the puzzle pieces? And when I get there, that's where
I spend my investment in myself. I invest in those
(21:27):
opportunities to learn and grow. That's what brought me to
the space of many of my clients and myself owning
this space of AI. I was an early adopter to
it because I knew, I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Know what is this, how is this?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Where is this? And I made myself immersed in it
so that I could really speak confidently about, you know,
the decisions that I wanted to make. And that's what
I encourage anyone that's listening to do, is that own
your gray matter, you know, own it, know it, and
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make that where you make the greatest investment in your
life for professional development. Stay ready, you know, have a
residual source, because it's not when these times are going
to come, you know, or if it's when right, and
so we have to be prepared for it no matter what.
But as it relates to job search, the one thing
(22:20):
that I'm always tickled about, you know, is when I'm
working with clients and I'm thinking and I'm asking them,
I said, you know, what percentage of your LinkedIn are
people that are in your industry? And they're like, oh,
about eighty ninety percent And I'm like, yeah, there in
lies the problem, i e. LinkedIn. It's meant for you
to network beyond your comfort zone, right to link with
(22:43):
people that are not in your industry that you don't know,
so that when times like these present themselves, you have
a vast array of networks to go to to engage.
Because right now, applying for a job LinkedIn will kill
me for saying it, but it's not it. You're going
to have to pull out the application, C suite or otherwise.
But you still need to network, you know, and exhaust
(23:09):
the possibilities of network. And if you've done one thing
one way, don't go back and do it tomorrow or
next week. If it didn't serve you, you know, find
new ways to network and understand the hiring patterns. What
I've noticed, Givah is a lot of people as of late,
have been really disappointed about the amount of no's that
(23:32):
they're receiving. You know, it's just one at all levels,
you know, and these are amazingly smart individuals. But the
reality of it is, when we don't understand the hiring
patterns and the seasons for opportunities, sometimes we you know,
get lost in the storm. It's fourth quarter. Sure, there
(23:52):
are some jobs out there, but they're not plentiful, right,
so we have to be mindful that, you know, we
normally see a little bit of a hiring freeze in
the four quarter and be ramped up for Q one.
So just some of the little tips about understanding, knowing, networking,
and having residual kind of put you in a sweet
spot so that you're not as distressed when you know,
(24:14):
a forced pause happens.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I really like what you mentioned about being ready because
as the trends we have seen, right because like beforehand,
people would join a job and they would retired, they
would get the pension, but those times have changed. So
from there we went into full time employees. From there,
now we're getting into gig economy where a lot of
(24:39):
companies don't want to hire regular employees, yeah, versus that
are going for ten ninety nine And surprisingly, as a
matter of factor, they've One of my clients in the
morning was sharing that she does real estate. She is
also a content influencer, and.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
While she is.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
A data scientist and of course she's gen z self
starter and she's like, I don't.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Want to be in that place.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So it's such a perfect comparison to what you're recommending.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
That it's important, it's important to.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Be ready, and she's like, oh, yeah, you know, if
I were to get laid off, I know that I'm
not going to be as distressed as if I did
not have anything. So you mentioned some very noother important
point about knowing the trends, so share with us usually
what are the hiring friends.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
So, in general, by and large, Q one we see
a ramp up, right, everybody's got their budget approve and
their contracts are happening, consultancies are happening, people are bringing
on new hires, and so that's Q one. Maybe around
Q two we see some still subtle hiring, but there's
(26:00):
somewhat of a lull. The only industries historically that I've
seen that really haven't adhere to that have been retail, hospitality,
and healthcare, right because they've got some constants with seasonality
and they're consistent pretty much, so they're always seasonally going
to have something going on because of the nature of
the beasts. Right, we travel, we shop seasonally, habits. Then
(26:26):
we roll into September, late August, September, maybe the first
even the first week or so of October, where you
see people wrap up hiring again because they know that
if I haven't spent my budget in September, I'm not
going to get it again next year. So you see
some hiring happening or some spend happening, you know, if
you're a consultant in ninety nine or such. And then,
(26:48):
like I said, Q four, we roll into this space
where hiring freezes are happening again. This doesn't mean that
there aren't any jobs out there, because please believe, I
see jobs every day, but they aren't as plentiful as
we likely usually see in Q. One. But we're in
a new time. We've got a new sheriff in town,
and we've got things happening very differently across the United States.
(27:12):
And so even this pattern may not feel as constant
or consistent or stable as what we're used to. And
so it leads us back to what I said earlier,
staying ready, be aware, stay.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Ready, and look for the patterns, you know, be aware
of what's going on. Absolutely so some of these are
very very relevant and helpful points. Now, let's say you know,
somebody finds a job. They're doing good, they're like good settled.
But so many times what happens is that I get
clients will come to me and say that, yeah, you know,
(27:46):
I'm feeling good, good pay scale. They may even have
a partner who's making good money tally, I l like fulfillment,
you know, I'm not getting that joy and I'm experiencing
that bone out.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Have you also experienced that? And what are some of
the tips you would share with them?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you spot on. We're writing
in alignment there. You know, reality is that my clients
that make the most money oftentimes are the least fulfilled.
And I think that there is part for the course
around that because they've lost sight of the joy that
brought them to the role. They've lost sight, you know,
(28:30):
heavy as the hat that wears the crown. You know,
when you're in those positions and high profile you know,
roles and careers, it taxes us. It takes a lot
out of us to really manage and lead an organization
and inspire and motivate our peers and our teams and
just you know, really be transformative in nature. That's hard
(28:52):
to always be on. And what that does is it
takes us away from our family. They have very little
time for self, you know, and so our healthcare may
suffer a little bit, and we really just don't have
the time to just decompress and relax because we all
know that in any career pathway, it doesn't matter what
(29:14):
you're doing, if you're the receptionist answering the phone or
you're the C suite person running a company, we all
need to reset, restore, and renew. And when we don't
have that time, it creates a space where there's distress
and stress around us. So my one infinite word of
(29:35):
wisdom is to block time for self at any level
of your career. It's invaluable because it gives your back
the essence of who you are, why you're there, and
it allows you to think clearly about why I want
to stay yep.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, And it's absolutely the thing that people need to
do because the question is.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
If not now, then when?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah? Absolutely So.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
What different types of executive challenges your clients have faced?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Oh wow, I think the biggest challenge that I've seen
right now has been career elevation and the ability for
people to be heard in the workspace. You know, it's
(30:41):
a space, it's a very uncomfortable space that we're in
right now because being heard could be around a multiplex
of things. It could be around culture, community, you know,
gender equality, it could be sustainability, it could be so
many different things. But there's a fear factor of do
anything Do I put myself at risk? Am I the
(31:04):
loudest voice in the room. Are they going to look
at me indifferent? Do I have any allies? It's so
being able to speak with confidence and clarity has been
a huge barrier for most And even when my clients
don't know that that's their problem, I know it's their problem, right,
And so that clarity code is what you know I
(31:25):
coach around is so important. The other thing is there
is an again going back to this, uh, there's an
ongoing issue of am I being paid for my worth?
Am I being compensated for my work? So right now
(31:46):
companies are getting leaner. We're seeing ourselves doing way more
work than we signed up for, way more work than
maybe the job description. If I'm ninety nine and I'm
a fractional, I'm doing you know, my job and somebody
else's as well. It's like, did I sign up for
this and I'm not being fairly compensated for this? And
I would say this if it wasn't here before and
(32:09):
it's here now. You may want to just try to
navigate and whether the storm because opportunities are a little
bit scarce. There's a lot of amazing people in the
job market right now, and if you have a job,
I encourage you to keep it right now. And that's
one piece of the puzzle. But being able to again
(32:31):
all roads leading back to communication, being able to have
that honest, you know, rich level of communication to share
with the leader or a thought partner or whomever that
this looks and feels different than what I signed on
for or I'm totally in to put in the work.
(32:54):
Let's talk about what this may look like for future
compensation increase and things of that nature. But we're afraid
to have the conversations. And if you're afraid to have
the conversations, then you can't you should, you know, not
even complain. You've got to be a conversation.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
That's such a great point because recently I was having
a conversation with one of my clients where she said
that that I've only been with the company for like
ten was it, I think so like eighteen months or
something like that, and she was doing sort of without
like you know, in divulging the client confidentiality in their company.
(33:35):
The philosophy was that your work cross door needs to
be filled up with seventy five eighty percent and you
have room more for to grow. And she had one
hundred and thirty percent. So we were having this conversation,
like I want a promotion. I'm like, listen, like you said,
you know, the jobs are scarce. I said, go ahead,
(33:58):
and let's brainstorm, like co create a plan where you
are checking, like you know, how long does it take
for the promotional cycle in your company? If the promotion happens,
what's the compensation? So this way, when you get it,
you're not in for a disappointment, because it's important to
have that dat show reality like you said, like you know,
(34:18):
jobs are scarce, live out the store. So we kind
of work through it and she did get a title,
and but the compensation.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Was as not as much. So she came back very disappointed.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
And then we said, like okay, I said, why don't
we go back to our conversation three months back when
we were planning for your promotion. She went back, looked
at her notes and said, oh yeah. So as we
were exploring, I said, okay, what's the silver lining here.
She's like, Oh, I can take this experience, have it
(34:53):
on my resume, and go somewhere else for my compensation.
So based on what you're sharing, you know, it's the
eventness and the perspective that we bring to the situation
can change so much differently. So when people so many
times they have a toxic boss or somebody in that situation,
(35:14):
what would you part like, you know, what would you
tell them and how would you partner with them to
help them move through that toxic journey?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, well, one have the conversation because toxicity will take
over sometimes that leader doesn't even realize that they're the
toxic source. So as best you can without burning any bridges,
still have the conversation. But I think that we need
to remind ourselves of this is that remind yourself about
(35:51):
why you fell in love with the work. Because no
matter what job you hold, no matter what company you
work for, no matter what compensation or title that you have,
if the work no longer soothes you, you won't be there,
no matter what salary. And so it's important that we
fall in love with the work we're doing and do
(36:12):
the best work. And because leaders come and go we
could have an amazing job, an amazing leader. You and
I've both seen it right. Person gets this new job there,
Oh my god, this is so amazing. I love this career.
And then the tides change. The boss retires, the boss leaves,
the boss gets let go, and now everything feels just
(36:35):
a little bit different. But when we remind ourselves while
we're there, fall in love with the work, not your boss,
not your company, but fall in love with the work.
If the work still meets your needs and your goals,
then you go to work, you show up, you do
great work, You fall in love with the work, and
you let it go and you find filming externally from
(36:55):
the workplace. If you're no longer in love with the
work and it's in tandem with a taxi ox costs,
then you need to contact you or I about the
opportunity for coaching to another opportunity.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Absolutely, some powerful things there.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So you're kind of coming to the end of the show.
So what are some of the other things that are
in your heart that you'd love to share with your audience?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, I mean, I think right now, for me,
what's on my heart and my mind is for anyone
that is seeking career, life and leadership fulfillment is to
remind themselves of where their zone of genius is. You know,
where do you show up with minimal effort and lean
(37:44):
into those things. That's where you're going to find the
happiest levels of fulfillment. If it's where you're working, great,
If it's someplace else, great, go after it. Give yourself
options because life is about options, and that means, you know,
maybe rocking that nine to five, in that five to nine,
are finding some other residual sources of income and maintain
(38:06):
these several people in your life. I believe everyone, every
human should have a sponsor, a mentor of what I
call a growth friend, a coach, and for God's sake,
a therapist. I think that's vital individuals in a life trajectory.
Somewhere along the lines. You don't necessarily need the therapists
(38:29):
all the time, but maybe have them on speeddalt for
when you do have these people in your life. Because
what I have found is that the people that are
the most successful, the most fulfilled, they have that village
and they're external to their family and friends, and that
village empowers you to do so many things and to
(38:51):
achieve and conquer and have a plan for resistance because
guess what, we always need.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
One absolutely powerful. So Jackie, I'm sure that you know
listeners will be thinking, Okay, how can we contact Jackie?
So tell us where can you be reached? Yeah, tell
us about your services? Yep.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So I am leaning into the art of essentialism, and
my ecosystem does two things pretty powerfully. I do one
on one executive coaching and I also do what I
like to call keynotes with clients, and that's where I
have some very succinct specialized areas where I come out
and do an experiential kind of keynote with application attached
(39:38):
to it. All that can be found at www. The
Career Doctor llc dot com. I'm also leaning into AI,
like every other good person out here that's trying to
feel that great matter. And if you want to know
more about my particular AI and how it's helping people
amplify their communication strategy and over to Www. Engage XAI
(40:03):
dot ile.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Well, fantastic. Thank you so much for joining us. It
was such a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Same here. I absolutely loved it and invite me back anytime.
I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Today absolutely and thank you wonderful audience for joining us
and for watching our shows and helping us help other people.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
So I know that I'm totally grateful.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
To you, and share it out, share it with other people,
because you never know, these conversations can make a difference
in one of your loved ones or one of your
friend's life, so be sure to share it out and
thank you one for making the show technically possible. So
be well, take care and I'll see y'all next time
(40:56):
you're next.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
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how to start living the life you want. Each week
on Beyond Confidence, you hear stories of real people who've
experienced growth by overcoming their fears and building meaningful relationships.
During Beyond Confidence, Vapark shares what happened to her when
she stepped out of her comfort zone to work directly
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with people across the globe. She not only coaches people
how to form hard connections, but also transform relationships to
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