July 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Join Divya Parekh for an inspiring conversation with mother-daughter duo Natalie and Dr. Evelyn Higgins, authors of the Amazon #1 bestseller Have a Love Affair with Travel. With a combined legacy of leadership across government, healthcare, and education—plus 88 countries and all 50 states between them.
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
Good morning listeners, It's Tuesday morning, and of course I'm
excited to be here with you all because I get
to be with you. So one very exciting thing happened
as a fellow writer to another fellow writer. We were
just having a conversation and I was experiencing a writer's
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stuff and this is actually one of my clients. So
I'm helping her develop her own story. And she was
so kind and said, gave me the same advice back, Divia,
what if you were to walk away for a couple
of days and not look at your book? And it's amazing.
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We all know the answers. It's just sometimes we need
someone to remind us or be there for us. So
take a moment to be there for someone. And let's
bring in our guests. So welcome Emlen and Natlie.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Hello, Love, thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh, I think Sovia going to have a very exciting
conversation today. So Natalie, if you recall a moment with
your mom, you know, a wonderful moment from your childhood.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Do share, Oh wonderful I've had. I had a wonderful childhood.
I was raised in the country and in Oakalla, Florida,
which is just about an hour north of Orlando. So
needless to say, we had all the luxuries of being
able to go and to go to Disney World and
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places like that. But I'll tell you my family. We
come from a very humble family and a very hard
working family. And that really because of the hard work
that really shaped my life and my professional life. As
I soon you know, when I first got into the
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professional world, you know, working in the Florida Senate and
then from there being an executive director and then a CEO,
a contract lobbyist. All of that came from that hard work,
came from my childhood experiences with my family and the
hard work and the ethics that was instilled in my
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life at a very young age. And debas she does that, now,
let me tell you this is the hardest working person.
She will be on the phone all day talking to
people and encouraging them and exuding leadership, and then she
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will stay up two o'clock and more than working on something.
So when she says she loves work, I do I
enjoy it and so not enjoy work. You know, it's
a different life. But if you really enjoy your job
and your hobbies and you know that, that really shows
and I'm just very fortunate I have that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And also it's not work, then right, it's living right
because a lot of people say I need to have
work life balance. But when you work is your life
and when you're enjoying it, then it doesn't seem like work.
You're in the flow, you're living your life. It's such
a it's it's a paradox. It is when you have
that clear cut distinctions that makes the difference.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But diva it also is is that you know, you
really have to talk about balance, and definitely I understand.
I think that's extremely important. When you do love your job,
you really do get very much engaged in it. But
when it becomes something that is much more than a job,
something you really enjoy. I you know, besides my day
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job that I do and I love and I spend
a lot of time on it, we are also authors.
And then what we do is late in the evening
because I worked till what seven o'clock or you know,
beyond that late in the evening. Then we work together.
And to me, it's not like, oh my gosh, I
got to do something else. I'm so exhausted. Yes i am,
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but I enjoy it. And when you find something you
love doing what you want to do, is you find
that time. It's a priority. So I have made sure
in order to get a book that we wrote out
in one year, I actually had to make it a
priority where I work at least one hour a day,
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no matter what, one hour a day, but of course
it was a lot more in order to get it done,
you know, and vibyah. It's very interesting. As I said,
we have this book and most people will say, oh,
I can't stand marketing. You know, we've written the book
that then we have to market it. Let me say,
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we enjoy it and it has just like we were saying,
it has to be something that you love, you that
you love doing, or you decide, oh now just be
a ball and we're.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Not going to do that. Yeah. No, it's important that
you enjoy and I really like what you'll are sharing.
Is that setting that priority? So tell us, like, you know, Natalie,
you've been through so many careers in your life. How
did you know then to pivot.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
When you felt it was right. When I finished the
Florida Center, I was there for ten years at that point,
this was this was several decades ago, maybe three decades ago,
and at that time it was pretty much of a
man's world, and so it was the youngest female staff
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director and uh and I enjoyed it. I loved it,
and I respected my senators. I appreciated it, and I
appreciated the process of the Florida Legislature. But when I left,
I just knew it was time. It was one of
the things when you feel that you have you have
reached your goals, you're at a level that you you
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know won't be able to break anymore, and that you
know there's some other things out there, and so that's
what I chose to do.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, that's very powerful. How did you get into the
Senate piece? Because so many times what happens is, you know,
there's always a stigma associated with politicians. They could be
the best people in the world and yet be you know,
as a society and as a people, as a collective,
we look at them with some skepticism. So what got
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you in there? And what were some of the learnings
from that time.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well helped me out because see, I was raised in politics.
My dad actually he ran political campaigns when I was younger,
and also he ran for office. It was hard for
me because he lost I think it was three campaigns
and lost. And then my mother actually ran and lost
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by just a few votes. H So you see, politics
is very tough. But we had a brother that did
that up. It became a representative in the Florida House.
So politics is kind of our life. But you know what,
I didn't want to go in it because election it
was just like I had a pit in my stomach.
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Every election it was like I just could you know,
it was you know, we're going to lose, or if
we lose, that's how much time and effort we put
into this. And so I didn't want to do it.
So I went to college and I did what I loved,
and that was art, and I realized, well, maybe I'm
just not gonna make money there, you know, be able
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to have a professional job. But I went into television
broadcasting and from there I volunteered with a TV show
called Today in the Legislature, and when I volunteered, they
kept me on and then I found an internship. I
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got an internship with the Florida Health and that was
when when a job opened up in the Florida Senate,
that's when I took that job. And I really did
not even want to be in politics.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
M that's interesting and it's some you know, life takes
a detour and it takes us. And as you said,
so you'll are definitely a family with a very strong
and strength and like you know, the courage running three
of Blood's like you know, it's not easy to lose,
and you kept coming back, so you've made a mark
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on it. So how would you say, like, you know,
what were some of your defining moments during your you're
at Senate and then you impacted.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I was just going to tell how how we got
into writing the book, but you asked a question about
the Senate, so I'm really aheady with that. The most
impactful would be when we had legislation that really positively
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impact families. And I was a major part of that
because not only was I guiding policy and budget items,
but I was really working personally with the senators to
make sure their priority bills or the presence priority bills
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got passed, and so anything to deal with children or
with seniors. I really have a heart for the aging
and seniors, which I eventually went into following the Senate,
but those were my years when we were able to
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do that, and then I was able to get them
really maximum exposure on the Today's Show things like that,
So that really was a priority of mine. It was
a wonderful as timon Florida Senate to interject, was this
you asked about losses. Actually, when I lost my election
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in nineteen ninety two, my husband said to us, why
don't you and Natalie go to Europe? And we said, no,
you can't go. We can't go. We can't, we can't
take time off, and who's going to take care of
the dogs? And he said, just go, I will take
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care of the dogs. So out of this loss that
we had has developed this interest in travel and interested
in writing. So I just wanted to subject that because
you mentioned about sometimes from losses like this can develop
a whole morph into something that is really that you
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want to do, which was we.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Come back to it, and the losses are something you know,
we call them as losses, but these are growth opportunities
and how I live different directions. So you mentioned you know,
Natalie that you were interested in supporting seniors, So walk
us through the journey how you went through that and
ended up being a CEO.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
From the Florida Senate. I had an opportunity when a
knew governor came in, Governor Bush to work in his
administration with one of the departments. So I really had
an opportunity to be able to see the department life
where my side was the basic legislative side of it.
So I got to see the executive branch and be
a part of the executive branch. And then from there
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I had the most wonderful opportunity that just kind of
fell in my lap. It was with the Alzheimer's Association
at a state level, and so what I did I
was hired to be their director of Policy at the
state level. And what we did was we just did
incredible work those seven years. We brought in so many
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volunteers and people, so many people that have been touched
by Alzheimer's or dementia and brought them in to get engaged.
We even had we started called Rally and Tally is
bringing people bringing caregivers up to Tallahassee. We had one
year almost five hundred people from around the state come
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up to Tallahassee and really advocate for enhanced policies for
caregivers and people with dementia. And so with that we
did extremely well. From there, I was promoted up to Washington,
d C with the National Alzheimer's Association and worked in
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the DC office for two years. I was the director
of Systems Change. So they were working so yeah with
the Healthy Human Services and we worked directly with them
on systems change.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Very nice. So tell me, like, you know, what were
the lessons. Like, you know, as you're growing this experience,
you know, a lot of women kind of think this
is not for me, this is for me, and you
have kind of taken an unconventional route. So what would
your message be to those women?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
To our listeners, I would say, this, go the way
your heart is telling you. Now, why did I say that? See,
with the hard work that I have been in siled
in when I'm you know, growing up in our family,
I felt that I probably could have gone to some
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corporation and work in a big corporation or so on.
But I chose this way because also my family, my
dad was very much into helping individuals at one time,
very early, very early on in my life. I really
don't even remember too much about it, but he was
a preacher, So you know, it's our Our family has
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always been helping others. My mother was a teacher that
ended up becoming professional a professor and then a medical writer.
But our lives and all of our family and all
the siblings we were really kind of have that instilled
in our lives of really helping individuals. So I didn't
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go the route of the big corporations. And I'm not
saying that there's anything wrong with it. I'm not saying
that you're actually not helping people if you do that,
But this is just the way I chose that. From
the Florida Senate and getting that experience, and then working
with a national organization that really supports individuals in a
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very vulnerable time, especially family caregivers, and to be able
to support and help policy and shape policy and the
way things are done here in the state of Florida,
and then from there actually go I was actually a
contract lobbyist for a few years. I enjoyed that, and
I actually did take on a lot of nonprofits organizations
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that really had no idea of how to get anything
done in the legislature and then from there I became
the CEO of the Florida Association of Managing Entities. Now
what is that We oversee Florida's behavioral health safety nets system.
So my members of my association and there's only seven,
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So you're saying, how could that be association? Just seven?
These seven people, these seven organizations manage one point two
billion dollars in the state of Florida. And we do
oversee behavioral health services. We develop networks for providers that
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serve individuals with a mental illness, with substance use prevention,
opiate addictions, suicide, I mean all of that particular area
housing so that they can recover. So that's what we do.
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We don't provide the services, we manage and we pay
for services.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Now, there can be so many hard times, right that
there's all these causes that you're talking about, so much
need for them, they're worthy causes and people are really suffering,
and then you may have the budget constrained, So how
do you manage that? Where you're looking at some of
the programs and you know, as individuals, we all have
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these questions like, you know, how are you balancing the
priority of that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You make it a priority. You make it a priority
with the legislature, and of course how do you do that,
You really develop relationships with legislators. Now what normal people,
and I say normal knows the word normal. They hire
contract lobbyists. That was something I used to do. We
aren't allowed to do that because we have state and
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federal dollars, so we're not allowed to contract. But the
good news is is I come from that world, so
I know it and I used to do it. So
it's one of these things that's really educating. Our leaders
are an executive branch, whether it's the governor or the departments,
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and our senators, our House members, and are also our
local leaders, our share us and so on, understanding what
is really needed and then getting their support for us
to really reach out and be successful with policy issues
or budgetary issues. You can see where this is part
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of leadership, which you have asked us about how leadership,
how we look at leadership, and this is Natalie has
a whole host of training that she does in the
area of leadership, which is she in working with her people,
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she never assumes that they will think a certain way,
so she has to work with them and have good
communication skills to do this. This is what we feel
is she's very very good at that and it's all
part of leadership. It's just you know, really reaching out,
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never seen anything, asking questions, building a consensus, engaging your
your board members or with your staff to get you know,
your goal, so get to where you want to go.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, And so there may be a lot of young
women or young men who may be wanting to get
into the politics. And as you said that, you know
you can make a difference. So can you elaborate a
little bit more about how does the contract lobbying work
and if they cannot do anything? You did mention about
educating and engaging and so what are some of the
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ways to influence and just some part provoking action that
are young ones can take.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Navia, I get, I get that question all the time.
You know, what's the difference between lobbying and educating? Okay?
So our advocating Okay. So lobbying is actually when you
are paid, You have a contract and you are paid
to actually go and try to influence, whether it's the
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executive branch or the legislative branch or even local government.
You know, you Actually in some states you actually have
to you know, registered to lobby for local government. So
that is lobbying when you actually get paid. Advocating is different.
Advocating is educating, So advocating you're not getting paid. That
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is the difference. You don't have a contract for that
purpose to go influence leaders on a certain position. So
those are the two differences. Now how do you get
into that? If you want to be a contract lobbyist,
my suggestion would be is to start volunteering or being
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an intern, being an intern with a legislator or in
a legislative office, or a volunteer. See notice the word volunteer,
because that's what I did. I volunteered for today in
the legislature. That's how I actually got in. And then
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from there you may have an opportunity to be there
as jobs open up, and then you'll have that experience
that they're looking for. So that's how you start off.
Now as advocating, you can actually do the same. You
can volunteer because that's really what you're doing, you're volunteering.
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You can volunteer if if you are interested in advocating
for UH saving you know, the animals, you're you're you're
against uh you know, uh dog pounds or you know,
killing dogs if they're captured, you know, volunteer and then
start working with their advocacy group and go to their
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state capital or go to their local government and start
working that way. That way you'll learn the grassroots of it.
That's that's how I started.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, and that definitely makes sense that you're loaning the
nuts and bolts of it and while you're in the
thick and thin off it. There's something to be said
about the power of proximity which opens up doors. Yes,
So why you been doing this? You mentioned about creating
that priority for your book, So tell us about how
did you get into the writing of the book. What
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is it about?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, our book is called Have a Love Affair with Travel,
and we started about a year and a half ago,
a year and a half gun and we were able
to get the book done in a year. But mother,
how did you start writing this book? Actually? I was writing.
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I am a by profession, I am a medical writer
and I have written twenty two books for publishers on
gene therapy and genetics and so forth. But we decided
we love travel so much and I had been writing
little articles for oh, some of the local magazines and
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so forth, and one of the editors said, why don't
you write about something that only you and Natalie can experience?
So we started talking about that. Hey, what are some
of the things. What happened to us under the Eiffel Tower,
what happened to us writing a camel in Tuisia. So
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we started writing and we had one hundred and one.
We published it down to seventy nine. So that is
the way we got started writing on this. And as
she said, we would have to write because I was teaching,
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but blessed COVID's heart, it cut out a lot of
the class going to class and so forth, and actually
we had some time that we could talk a little
bit more about some of these things, about our experiences.
So that is how we got started in writing.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And how many countries both of you have traveled?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Well we have. Actually we just got a brand new
country just a few weeks ago, so we're up to
eighty nine countries, all fifty states and all continents. That
means we went anarca and that's our favorite. That's one
of my favorite place is Actually I don't want to
live there, but it's one of my favorite places to visit.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And so tell us, like a couple of stories from your.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Book, Well, do you really want to know about our
experience under the Eiffel Tower? This our stories. Now, most
people when you go to the Eiffel Tower, it is
so exciting because you're going to have your picture taken
here am I standing in front of the Eiffel Tower,
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and send it back and put it on social media,
send it to all your friends and so forth. So we
were going to the Eiffel Tower and we looked over
and there was a big black cloud coming up and
it just all of a sudden started pouring, and Natalie
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and I said, oh my gosh, we will get under
that Eiffel Tower. So we ran under this big stage
dome and the time when a lightning was flashing, thunder
was roaring, and water was splashing under our feet, and
all of these tours were coming into and they knew
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that was going to be the end of us. So
Natalie and I looked at each other and said, you know,
if this is the end, we've had one a lot.
So but what happened was just as it left, and
just as we looked, it went away and we said,
oh my goodness, we had brush off our hair and
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take off our wet clothes. We went out and had
our picture taken. Here we are standing in front of
the Eiffel Tower, and Lee sent that back, so that
that was one of the types of storts. And then
we have a smart tip on each one of this,
and this one was if you're ever under the Eiffel Tower,
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things may happen there, or may happen any place. Yeah.
So the whole, right, the moral of the story is
that things happen to you and it's out of you
for your control. But if it's out of your control,
you know you can't you can't worry about it, you
can't control it, right, so you you do things that
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are in your control. And that's all a part of
leadership too. So the whole thing is is that you know,
here we're under theneath this Eiffel Tower, and everybody just
goes there to take pictures of it. But you know,
we these stories are about things that doesn't happen. They
don't happen to anybody else, and so it's that's what's
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so interesting about travel, because you can get one hundred
one stories out of the Eiffel Tower, right, there are
so many things and when things like this that's out
of your control, you make the best of it and
then you just go on and and you go on,
and for us, we want on to be a tourist.
We did the selfias in front of the Idea Tower
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like everybody else did. But those are the seventy nine
stories that we have. Actually, we started going out before
it was published. We started going out and speaking about
the book and some stories, and we had so much
of an interest in it that they said, you know what,
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I've got a story. I was in Saudi Arabia and
I had an issue there and so they explained it
to us. And we have aid of those stories in
our book that are actually from others people. They are
so good and so compelling that we wanted to include that,
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to include their stories. So these stories are really self
they're human stories, things that happen. Some are some aren't good.
We were in We were actually in Tunisia and that
was wonderful. Love Tunisia. I would do anything to go
back to Tunisia. We were there during the Arab Spring
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and we did not even know it at the time
until we flew back to the United States, and then
all of a sudden we turned on the news and
there was that place right there I was at yesterday,
you know, right the Square of Tunis, you know where
they were having uh you know, uh riots there and
and and then the government was taken over and then
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they then that spread to Egypt. So and we did
not even know it. But the moral of that story
was before you go to any country, you need to
make sure that you checked the Department of States website
to see if there's any issues going on, because we
probably would have known at that time because it actually
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started prior for us flying in. What happened was this
young man uh setting himself on fire and because of
that and they took pictures of this, and this is
what spread throughout social media and started the air on
spring uh. And it had just a day or so before,
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but we kept hearing people check your chat and talk
and kind of they look at something was going on
and they said, okay, get back on this planet. They
do not miss the plane. It's the last one. It's
the last one out. And we got on. But now
we know why.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, well it sounds like wonderful. So if our listeners
wanted to kind of find your book, find you all,
where could they find you and the book?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
While we have a website, it's www dot Travelers at
Heart dot com and Travelers at Heart you spell it
out so it's not a symbol at symbol. It's www
dot Travelers at Heart dot com. It's also on Amazon
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so they can look up have a love affair with travel.
You can even I think you can even type in
affair with travelers, you know, because I tried that. But
it's have a love affair with travel and it will
come up. It's this beautiful, bright yellow book that comes up,
and that's where you can find us. It's the easiest way.
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I know we're in book of Barnes and Nobles and
other bookstores, but Amazon's the easiest way to get our book.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Any last thoughts for listeners and audience.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
We would just like to say that that leadership and
you were talking about how important it is for people
that are becoming leaders to remember that they have a
lot of things that they can accomplish, and they can
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do this by by not being arrogant, by listening and Natalie,
what would you say would be the number one thing
that I would say you know, not assume, don't don't
assume anything. Always ask questions. Flexibility is strength. That is strength,
it's not a weakness. Hospitality, being gracious, not being arrogant,
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like mother said, and respect for others, respect for their
you know, their point of view. I always listen to
other people's point of views before I ever make a
decision on anything or assume anything, because they may have
a better idea or a better thought. So one of
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our favorite places, and we would love to just mention
this to you, was in India. We absolutely loved India,
and we would go back there in a heartbeat, and
we we have. Of course, we have a lot of
other countries we would go back. But see, we've been
to eighty nine country and I am ninety and by
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the time I'm a hundred, I want to go to
one hundred countries. So we have a few more to go,
a few more countries to get into.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well, we wish you all the best that you go
ahead and get to one hundred countries, and kudos to you.
It's a beautiful journey that you are sharing. A lot
of people say, oh, I don't get along with my mom,
and a beautiful example like you know that you can
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do a lot of things together, So thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Thank you and David. We are writing another book right
now and it's called Have a Love Affair with the USA,
in which we only use stories from the USA, and
it's really hard because there's so many, but it will
come next year. Thanks year well.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
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Thank you on for making the show technically possible. Be
well and take care until lengths time.
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Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
Good morning listeners, It's Tuesday morning, and of course I'm
excited to be here with you all because I get
to be with you. So one very exciting thing happened
as a fellow writer to another fellow writer. We were
just having a conversation and I was experiencing a writer's
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stuff and this is actually one of my clients. So
I'm helping her develop her own story. And she was
so kind and said, gave me the same advice back, Divia,
what if you were to walk away for a couple
of days and not look at your book? And it's amazing.
(01:55):
We all know the answers. It's just sometimes we need
someone to remind us or be there for us. So
take a moment to be there for someone. And let's
bring in our guests. So welcome Emlen and Natlie.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Hello, Love, thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh, I think Sovia going to have a very exciting
conversation today. So Natalie, if you recall a moment with
your mom, you know, a wonderful moment from your childhood.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Do share, Oh wonderful I've had. I had a wonderful childhood.
I was raised in the country and in Oakalla, Florida,
which is just about an hour north of Orlando. So
needless to say, we had all the luxuries of being
able to go and to go to Disney World and
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places like that. But I'll tell you my family. We
come from a very humble family and a very hard
working family. And that really because of the hard work
that really shaped my life and my professional life. As
I soon you know, when I first got into the
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professional world, you know, working in the Florida Senate and
then from there being an executive director and then a CEO,
a contract lobbyist. All of that came from that hard work,
came from my childhood experiences with my family and the
hard work and the ethics that was instilled in my
(03:34):
life at a very young age. And debas she does that, now,
let me tell you this is the hardest working person.
She will be on the phone all day talking to
people and encouraging them and exuding leadership, and then she
(03:54):
will stay up two o'clock and more than working on something.
So when she says she loves work, I do I
enjoy it and so not enjoy work. You know, it's
a different life. But if you really enjoy your job
and your hobbies and you know that, that really shows
and I'm just very fortunate I have that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And also it's not work, then right, it's living right
because a lot of people say I need to have
work life balance. But when you work is your life
and when you're enjoying it, then it doesn't seem like work.
You're in the flow, you're living your life. It's such
a it's it's a paradox. It is when you have
that clear cut distinctions that makes the difference.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But diva it also is is that you know, you
really have to talk about balance, and definitely I understand.
I think that's extremely important. When you do love your job,
you really do get very much engaged in it. But
when it becomes something that is much more than a job,
something you really enjoy. I you know, besides my day
(05:02):
job that I do and I love and I spend
a lot of time on it, we are also authors.
And then what we do is late in the evening
because I worked till what seven o'clock or you know,
beyond that late in the evening. Then we work together.
And to me, it's not like, oh my gosh, I
got to do something else. I'm so exhausted. Yes i am,
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but I enjoy it. And when you find something you
love doing what you want to do, is you find
that time. It's a priority. So I have made sure
in order to get a book that we wrote out
in one year, I actually had to make it a
priority where I work at least one hour a day,
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no matter what, one hour a day, but of course
it was a lot more in order to get it done,
you know, and vibyah. It's very interesting. As I said,
we have this book and most people will say, oh,
I can't stand marketing. You know, we've written the book
that then we have to market it. Let me say,
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we enjoy it and it has just like we were saying,
it has to be something that you love, you that
you love doing, or you decide, oh now just be
a ball and we're.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Not going to do that. Yeah. No, it's important that
you enjoy and I really like what you'll are sharing.
Is that setting that priority? So tell us, like, you know, Natalie,
you've been through so many careers in your life. How
did you know then to pivot.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
When you felt it was right. When I finished the
Florida Center, I was there for ten years at that point,
this was this was several decades ago, maybe three decades ago,
and at that time it was pretty much of a
man's world, and so it was the youngest female staff
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director and uh and I enjoyed it. I loved it,
and I respected my senators. I appreciated it, and I
appreciated the process of the Florida Legislature. But when I left,
I just knew it was time. It was one of
the things when you feel that you have you have
reached your goals, you're at a level that you you
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know won't be able to break anymore, and that you
know there's some other things out there, and so that's
what I chose to do.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, that's very powerful. How did you get into the
Senate piece? Because so many times what happens is, you know,
there's always a stigma associated with politicians. They could be
the best people in the world and yet be you know,
as a society and as a people, as a collective,
we look at them with some skepticism. So what got
(07:51):
you in there? And what were some of the learnings
from that time.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well helped me out because see, I was raised in politics.
My dad actually he ran political campaigns when I was younger,
and also he ran for office. It was hard for
me because he lost I think it was three campaigns
and lost. And then my mother actually ran and lost
(08:15):
by just a few votes. H So you see, politics
is very tough. But we had a brother that did
that up. It became a representative in the Florida House.
So politics is kind of our life. But you know what,
I didn't want to go in it because election it
was just like I had a pit in my stomach.
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Every election it was like I just could you know,
it was you know, we're going to lose, or if
we lose, that's how much time and effort we put
into this. And so I didn't want to do it.
So I went to college and I did what I loved,
and that was art, and I realized, well, maybe I'm
just not gonna make money there, you know, be able
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to have a professional job. But I went into television
broadcasting and from there I volunteered with a TV show
called Today in the Legislature, and when I volunteered, they
kept me on and then I found an internship. I
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got an internship with the Florida Health and that was
when when a job opened up in the Florida Senate,
that's when I took that job. And I really did
not even want to be in politics.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
M that's interesting and it's some you know, life takes
a detour and it takes us. And as you said,
so you'll are definitely a family with a very strong
and strength and like you know, the courage running three
of Blood's like you know, it's not easy to lose,
and you kept coming back, so you've made a mark
(09:54):
on it. So how would you say, like, you know,
what were some of your defining moments during your you're
at Senate and then you impacted.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I was just going to tell how how we got
into writing the book, but you asked a question about
the Senate, so I'm really aheady with that. The most
impactful would be when we had legislation that really positively
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impact families. And I was a major part of that
because not only was I guiding policy and budget items,
but I was really working personally with the senators to
make sure their priority bills or the presence priority bills
(10:44):
got passed, and so anything to deal with children or
with seniors. I really have a heart for the aging
and seniors, which I eventually went into following the Senate,
but those were my years when we were able to
(11:05):
do that, and then I was able to get them
really maximum exposure on the Today's Show things like that,
So that really was a priority of mine. It was
a wonderful as timon Florida Senate to interject, was this
you asked about losses. Actually, when I lost my election
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in nineteen ninety two, my husband said to us, why
don't you and Natalie go to Europe? And we said, no,
you can't go. We can't go. We can't, we can't
take time off, and who's going to take care of
the dogs? And he said, just go, I will take
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care of the dogs. So out of this loss that
we had has developed this interest in travel and interested
in writing. So I just wanted to subject that because
you mentioned about sometimes from losses like this can develop
a whole morph into something that is really that you
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want to do, which was we.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Come back to it, and the losses are something you know,
we call them as losses, but these are growth opportunities
and how I live different directions. So you mentioned you know,
Natalie that you were interested in supporting seniors, So walk
us through the journey how you went through that and
ended up being a CEO.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
From the Florida Senate. I had an opportunity when a
knew governor came in, Governor Bush to work in his
administration with one of the departments. So I really had
an opportunity to be able to see the department life
where my side was the basic legislative side of it.
So I got to see the executive branch and be
a part of the executive branch. And then from there
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I had the most wonderful opportunity that just kind of
fell in my lap. It was with the Alzheimer's Association
at a state level, and so what I did I
was hired to be their director of Policy at the
state level. And what we did was we just did
incredible work those seven years. We brought in so many
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volunteers and people, so many people that have been touched
by Alzheimer's or dementia and brought them in to get engaged.
We even had we started called Rally and Tally is
bringing people bringing caregivers up to Tallahassee. We had one
year almost five hundred people from around the state come
(13:45):
up to Tallahassee and really advocate for enhanced policies for
caregivers and people with dementia. And so with that we
did extremely well. From there, I was promoted up to Washington,
d C with the National Alzheimer's Association and worked in
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the DC office for two years. I was the director
of Systems Change. So they were working so yeah with
the Healthy Human Services and we worked directly with them
on systems change.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Very nice. So tell me, like, you know, what were
the lessons. Like, you know, as you're growing this experience,
you know, a lot of women kind of think this
is not for me, this is for me, and you
have kind of taken an unconventional route. So what would
your message be to those women?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
To our listeners, I would say, this, go the way
your heart is telling you. Now, why did I say that? See,
with the hard work that I have been in siled
in when I'm you know, growing up in our family,
I felt that I probably could have gone to some
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corporation and work in a big corporation or so on.
But I chose this way because also my family, my
dad was very much into helping individuals at one time,
very early, very early on in my life. I really
don't even remember too much about it, but he was
a preacher, So you know, it's our Our family has
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always been helping others. My mother was a teacher that
ended up becoming professional a professor and then a medical writer.
But our lives and all of our family and all
the siblings we were really kind of have that instilled
in our lives of really helping individuals. So I didn't
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go the route of the big corporations. And I'm not
saying that there's anything wrong with it. I'm not saying
that you're actually not helping people if you do that,
But this is just the way I chose that. From
the Florida Senate and getting that experience, and then working
with a national organization that really supports individuals in a
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very vulnerable time, especially family caregivers, and to be able
to support and help policy and shape policy and the
way things are done here in the state of Florida,
and then from there actually go I was actually a
contract lobbyist for a few years. I enjoyed that, and
I actually did take on a lot of nonprofits organizations
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that really had no idea of how to get anything
done in the legislature and then from there I became
the CEO of the Florida Association of Managing Entities. Now
what is that We oversee Florida's behavioral health safety nets system.
So my members of my association and there's only seven,
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So you're saying, how could that be association? Just seven?
These seven people, these seven organizations manage one point two
billion dollars in the state of Florida. And we do
oversee behavioral health services. We develop networks for providers that
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serve individuals with a mental illness, with substance use prevention,
opiate addictions, suicide, I mean all of that particular area
housing so that they can recover. So that's what we do.
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We don't provide the services, we manage and we pay
for services.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Now, there can be so many hard times, right that
there's all these causes that you're talking about, so much
need for them, they're worthy causes and people are really suffering,
and then you may have the budget constrained, So how
do you manage that? Where you're looking at some of
the programs and you know, as individuals, we all have
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these questions like, you know, how are you balancing the
priority of that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You make it a priority. You make it a priority
with the legislature, and of course how do you do that,
You really develop relationships with legislators. Now what normal people,
and I say normal knows the word normal. They hire
contract lobbyists. That was something I used to do. We
aren't allowed to do that because we have state and
(18:30):
federal dollars, so we're not allowed to contract. But the
good news is is I come from that world, so
I know it and I used to do it. So
it's one of these things that's really educating. Our leaders
are an executive branch, whether it's the governor or the departments,
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and our senators, our House members, and are also our
local leaders, our share us and so on, understanding what
is really needed and then getting their support for us
to really reach out and be successful with policy issues
or budgetary issues. You can see where this is part
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of leadership, which you have asked us about how leadership,
how we look at leadership, and this is Natalie has
a whole host of training that she does in the
area of leadership, which is she in working with her people,
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she never assumes that they will think a certain way,
so she has to work with them and have good
communication skills to do this. This is what we feel
is she's very very good at that and it's all
part of leadership. It's just you know, really reaching out,
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never seen anything, asking questions, building a consensus, engaging your
your board members or with your staff to get you know,
your goal, so get to where you want to go.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, And so there may be a lot of young
women or young men who may be wanting to get
into the politics. And as you said that, you know
you can make a difference. So can you elaborate a
little bit more about how does the contract lobbying work
and if they cannot do anything? You did mention about
educating and engaging and so what are some of the
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ways to influence and just some part provoking action that
are young ones can take.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Navia, I get, I get that question all the time.
You know, what's the difference between lobbying and educating? Okay?
So our advocating Okay. So lobbying is actually when you
are paid, You have a contract and you are paid
to actually go and try to influence, whether it's the
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executive branch or the legislative branch or even local government.
You know, you Actually in some states you actually have
to you know, registered to lobby for local government. So
that is lobbying when you actually get paid. Advocating is different.
Advocating is educating, So advocating you're not getting paid. That
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is the difference. You don't have a contract for that
purpose to go influence leaders on a certain position. So
those are the two differences. Now how do you get
into that? If you want to be a contract lobbyist,
my suggestion would be is to start volunteering or being
(22:02):
an intern, being an intern with a legislator or in
a legislative office, or a volunteer. See notice the word volunteer,
because that's what I did. I volunteered for today in
the legislature. That's how I actually got in. And then
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from there you may have an opportunity to be there
as jobs open up, and then you'll have that experience
that they're looking for. So that's how you start off.
Now as advocating, you can actually do the same. You
can volunteer because that's really what you're doing, you're volunteering.
(22:45):
You can volunteer if if you are interested in advocating
for UH saving you know, the animals, you're you're you're
against uh you know, uh dog pounds or you know,
killing dogs if they're captured, you know, volunteer and then
start working with their advocacy group and go to their
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state capital or go to their local government and start
working that way. That way you'll learn the grassroots of it.
That's that's how I started.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, and that definitely makes sense that you're loaning the
nuts and bolts of it and while you're in the
thick and thin off it. There's something to be said
about the power of proximity which opens up doors. Yes,
So why you been doing this? You mentioned about creating
that priority for your book, So tell us about how
did you get into the writing of the book. What
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is it about?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, our book is called Have a Love Affair with Travel,
and we started about a year and a half ago,
a year and a half gun and we were able
to get the book done in a year. But mother,
how did you start writing this book? Actually? I was writing.
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I am a by profession, I am a medical writer
and I have written twenty two books for publishers on
gene therapy and genetics and so forth. But we decided
we love travel so much and I had been writing
little articles for oh, some of the local magazines and
(24:30):
so forth, and one of the editors said, why don't
you write about something that only you and Natalie can experience?
So we started talking about that. Hey, what are some
of the things. What happened to us under the Eiffel Tower,
what happened to us writing a camel in Tuisia. So
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we started writing and we had one hundred and one.
We published it down to seventy nine. So that is
the way we got started writing on this. And as
she said, we would have to write because I was teaching,
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but blessed COVID's heart, it cut out a lot of
the class going to class and so forth, and actually
we had some time that we could talk a little
bit more about some of these things, about our experiences.
So that is how we got started in writing.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And how many countries both of you have traveled?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Well we have. Actually we just got a brand new
country just a few weeks ago, so we're up to
eighty nine countries, all fifty states and all continents. That
means we went anarca and that's our favorite. That's one
of my favorite place is Actually I don't want to
live there, but it's one of my favorite places to visit.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And so tell us, like a couple of stories from your.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Book, Well, do you really want to know about our
experience under the Eiffel Tower? This our stories. Now, most
people when you go to the Eiffel Tower, it is
so exciting because you're going to have your picture taken
here am I standing in front of the Eiffel Tower,
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and send it back and put it on social media,
send it to all your friends and so forth. So we
were going to the Eiffel Tower and we looked over
and there was a big black cloud coming up and
it just all of a sudden started pouring, and Natalie
(26:52):
and I said, oh my gosh, we will get under
that Eiffel Tower. So we ran under this big stage
dome and the time when a lightning was flashing, thunder
was roaring, and water was splashing under our feet, and
all of these tours were coming into and they knew
(27:12):
that was going to be the end of us. So
Natalie and I looked at each other and said, you know,
if this is the end, we've had one a lot.
So but what happened was just as it left, and
just as we looked, it went away and we said,
oh my goodness, we had brush off our hair and
(27:36):
take off our wet clothes. We went out and had
our picture taken. Here we are standing in front of
the Eiffel Tower, and Lee sent that back, so that
that was one of the types of storts. And then
we have a smart tip on each one of this,
and this one was if you're ever under the Eiffel Tower,
(28:00):
things may happen there, or may happen any place. Yeah.
So the whole, right, the moral of the story is
that things happen to you and it's out of you
for your control. But if it's out of your control,
you know you can't you can't worry about it, you
can't control it, right, so you you do things that
(28:20):
are in your control. And that's all a part of
leadership too. So the whole thing is is that you know,
here we're under theneath this Eiffel Tower, and everybody just
goes there to take pictures of it. But you know,
we these stories are about things that doesn't happen. They
don't happen to anybody else, and so it's that's what's
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so interesting about travel, because you can get one hundred
one stories out of the Eiffel Tower, right, there are
so many things and when things like this that's out
of your control, you make the best of it and
then you just go on and and you go on,
and for us, we want on to be a tourist.
We did the selfias in front of the Idea Tower
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like everybody else did. But those are the seventy nine
stories that we have. Actually, we started going out before
it was published. We started going out and speaking about
the book and some stories, and we had so much
of an interest in it that they said, you know what,
(29:24):
I've got a story. I was in Saudi Arabia and
I had an issue there and so they explained it
to us. And we have aid of those stories in
our book that are actually from others people. They are
so good and so compelling that we wanted to include that,
(29:44):
to include their stories. So these stories are really self
they're human stories, things that happen. Some are some aren't good.
We were in We were actually in Tunisia and that
was wonderful. Love Tunisia. I would do anything to go
back to Tunisia. We were there during the Arab Spring
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and we did not even know it at the time
until we flew back to the United States, and then
all of a sudden we turned on the news and
there was that place right there I was at yesterday,
you know, right the Square of Tunis, you know where
they were having uh you know, uh riots there and
and and then the government was taken over and then
(30:30):
they then that spread to Egypt. So and we did
not even know it. But the moral of that story
was before you go to any country, you need to
make sure that you checked the Department of States website
to see if there's any issues going on, because we
probably would have known at that time because it actually
(30:51):
started prior for us flying in. What happened was this
young man uh setting himself on fire and because of
that and they took pictures of this, and this is
what spread throughout social media and started the air on
spring uh. And it had just a day or so before,
(31:12):
but we kept hearing people check your chat and talk
and kind of they look at something was going on
and they said, okay, get back on this planet. They
do not miss the plane. It's the last one. It's
the last one out. And we got on. But now
we know why.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, well it sounds like wonderful. So if our listeners
wanted to kind of find your book, find you all,
where could they find you and the book?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
While we have a website, it's www dot Travelers at
Heart dot com and Travelers at Heart you spell it
out so it's not a symbol at symbol. It's www
dot Travelers at Heart dot com. It's also on Amazon
(31:59):
so they can look up have a love affair with travel.
You can even I think you can even type in
affair with travelers, you know, because I tried that. But
it's have a love affair with travel and it will
come up. It's this beautiful, bright yellow book that comes up,
and that's where you can find us. It's the easiest way.
(32:21):
I know we're in book of Barnes and Nobles and
other bookstores, but Amazon's the easiest way to get our book.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Any last thoughts for listeners and audience.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
We would just like to say that that leadership and
you were talking about how important it is for people
that are becoming leaders to remember that they have a
lot of things that they can accomplish, and they can
(32:54):
do this by by not being arrogant, by listening and Natalie,
what would you say would be the number one thing
that I would say you know, not assume, don't don't
assume anything. Always ask questions. Flexibility is strength. That is strength,
it's not a weakness. Hospitality, being gracious, not being arrogant,
(33:20):
like mother said, and respect for others, respect for their
you know, their point of view. I always listen to
other people's point of views before I ever make a
decision on anything or assume anything, because they may have
a better idea or a better thought. So one of
(33:43):
our favorite places, and we would love to just mention
this to you, was in India. We absolutely loved India,
and we would go back there in a heartbeat, and
we we have. Of course, we have a lot of
other countries we would go back. But see, we've been
to eighty nine country and I am ninety and by
(34:04):
the time I'm a hundred, I want to go to
one hundred countries. So we have a few more to go,
a few more countries to get into.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well, we wish you all the best that you go
ahead and get to one hundred countries, and kudos to you.
It's a beautiful journey that you are sharing. A lot
of people say, oh, I don't get along with my mom,
and a beautiful example like you know that you can
(34:36):
do a lot of things together, So thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Thank you and David. We are writing another book right
now and it's called Have a Love Affair with the USA,
in which we only use stories from the USA, and
it's really hard because there's so many, but it will
come next year. Thanks year well.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Thank you for joining us, and thank you one for
listeners for being part of our show. Because you are
the spirit and solo for show. Reach out to us,
let us know how we can serve and support you.
Thank you on for making the show technically possible. Be
well and take care until lengths time.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Thank you for being part of Beyond Confidence. With your
host d v Park, we hope you have learned more
about how to start living the life you want. Each
week on Beyond Confidence, you hear stories of real people
who've experienced growth by overcoming their fears and building meaningful relationships.
During Beyond Confidence, Vapark shares what happened to her when
she stepped out of her comfort zone to work directly
(35:39):
with people across the globe. She not only coaches people
how to form hard connections, but also transform relationships to
mutually beneficial partnerships as they strive to live the life
they want. If you are ready to live the life
you want and leverage your strengths, learn more at www
dot dvpark dot com and you can connect with dvat
(36:00):
contact dant dvpark dot com. We look forward to you're
joining us next week.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
M hmm
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