March 18, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode, Divya Parekh talks with Becky Heidesch, an executive search expert with experience at Fortune 500 firms like Morgan Stanley and Citigroup. Heidesch shares the STEEP Qualifications© framework—Skills, Tools, Education, Experience, and Personal Qualities—to redefine career growth. They discuss the importance of adaptability, common career mistakes, and strategies to stand out in today’s evolving job market.
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Speaker 3 (02:50):
Welcome, Becky, thank you, thanks for having me. It's good
to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Absolutely so share with us if you recall a moment
or a person from your youth or childhood that left
a positive mark on you.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Oh gosh, I've I've been blessed. I've had many, you know.
I I would probably say my godmother, my aunt. She
just uh, she was a teacher. She just had a
very positive outlook on life. Watched her, you know, raise
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a family, have career, uh, loved children, just loved the beach.
Uh just really had and had such a heart for hospitality.
Grew up in the Midwest and battled breast cancer and
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just always had a positive outlook on everything.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Just enjoyed life.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
She was always happy, she had a lot of wit,
just enjoyable and always a safe place to land.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
M definitely so Midwest. I can definitely tell you, like
we had gone to Minnesota and like kind of went
through Wisconsin and the neighboring states, and I forget the
name of the National park in Minnesota, beautiful, beautiful place.
And as we you know, drove down through, people were
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so lovely, very nice and so friendly. So I definitely
get that.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
So it's a great, a tremendous extended family in the Midwest,
and you know they come from roots of farming and
just you know, really good family people.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I forget the name of a town. And they were
like Norwegian people and just so helpful, like every turn
that we made, just smiling, and it almost seemed like
a town out of Hallmark movie.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So kind of coming back to your story. As you
grew up, did you have any specific interests.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I think sports athletics was kind of around our family
all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So I enjoyed. I enjoyed the water.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I enjoyed We did a lot of activities and I
enjoyed the beach, the water, water skiing, you know, things
like that. And I don't know exactly where, but somewhere
along the way there was probably my mom. You know,
this thread towards business and this thread towards watching the markets.
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You know, I dabble in the markets on a regular basis.
I follow the markets closely. I'm trading every day. You know,
those are just kind of like some interest I had.
And although I started out on the educational side, I
always had kind of this. I was always looking beyond
that from just always had an interest on the business side.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, no, definitely, And right now the markets are all
over the place, but that's outside. Like okay, So tell me,
Like you mentioned about the education, So what was that
time in your life and how did that pen out?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
You know, I always liked school and so so going
to school was you know, I liked it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I enjoyed school all the way through.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
You know, my teachers just I know some people just
you know, struggle with school per se, you know, but
you know, I always enjoyed it, and I think, you know,
I had.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
A little bit of influence.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Both my parents didn't go to college, so you know,
for them, it was kind of new territory.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
When I was seventeen, I decided I wanted to go
away to school, and so I just kind of made
that venture and I did that, and then I ended
up getting an undergraduate and graduate degree, and at the
time it was health and physical education, and then I
went back later and got an MBA. I'm in the
process of I'm an older parent with a gen Z
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daughter that's just getting ready to graduate high school and
moving into those decisions. And you know, from an education standpoint,
so much has changed, you know. I mean, we could
spend an enormous amount of time just talking about that,
and especially young people today and the way they're learning
and the way they look at things. But you know,
the traditional paths of declaring a major, doing one thing
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and one job, so much of that has changed. You know,
it's estimated now that we're going to have twelve somewhere
close to a dozen jobs and three to seven different careers.
And so you know, you have a workforce, an economy,
and a world that is changing at such a rapid
speed as you know, and your work and AI. But
you have that, and you have all of that is
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also perpetuating the way young people are learning today. Yeah,
so have all of these things kind of playing a
role at the same time and.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Different opportunities.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, so you mentioned that, you know, people are going
to have twelve jobs, and that's one of the things
nobody talks about. People are still as you mentioned, people
are still talking about the major and you know, with
it having that straight path, so that's not there. So
what does that mean for today's workforce?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Well, I think number one, you know when you take
a look and you know this in your background on technology,
I mean the average amount of time that you know,
skills can be outdated within six months anymore. So if
we're not upscaling, rescaling, stacking skills and moving in that
direction and constantly staying up with the tools in our
industry or the lane that we're in and that we're
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working in, you're constantly going to be kind of running
from behind. So I think we have that. And from
a digital standpoint, digital literacy, data literacy, all of those
skills related to that are huge today. But beyond that,
you know, you've got to be nimble, and you've got
to be able to be resourceful, and you've got to
be able to pivot in And I talk about in
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my book. The first couple of chapters are just related
to the foundation of job security today because so much
of that has changed. And you know, we grew up
at a time and you know, my parents and generations
where it was one or two jobs and you had
that job security. And I think we as individuals, we
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want to be able to believe or think that the
company's going to protect us, or the organization is going
to protect us, or even our own business we're going
to be able to rely on And you just can't
rely on any of those things anymore. And so, you know,
one of the other things I talk about in the
book is developing, you know, the number one essential skill,
and that's to be able to monetize your skills and
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know how to do.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
That and be able to leverage.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
So it's really important that I try to tell my
daughter to think multiple careers.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Now many careers.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
You know, if you may start out in this and
this is going to be where you want to start out,
and that's great. And there are some people that are
going to start out and stay in the same lane
and that's great too. And if they have a passion
and they're performing and they're growing and they're learning and
they love what they're doing, then you know, more power
to them and they should stay there. But for the
way and changing, it's got to be you know, you
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have to be very nimble today.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, definitely. So it brings up a couple of talking points.
One is that you know, it's important to be reskilling
all the time. So now when you're talking about reskilling
based on the experience, what would you recommend for our
audience reskilling in their own line of work? Are looking
for the others?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, so I think it's really important if they have
a direction and they have a path. I think it's
super important because you know, the reskilling is just one
component of it. But if you don't know where you're going,
or you don't know you know what you want to
be doing next or what your plan is, then there's
so many opportunities to reskill you can kind of get lost.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
It's the same with the tools that we use today.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Right, So it's it's important that they think about what
they're doing now and what does it look like in
that in their industry or in their particular sector in
their industry, and what are the new tools coming and
where do they want to If they're going to stay
in that lane, then they have to stay up with
what's happening in that particular sector so that they're ahead
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of the head of the path, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Mm hmm, So definitely. So what I'm hearing is that
having that clarity around where they're going and also knowing, like,
you know, what are their strengths because the skills are transferable.
So as you mentioned, you know, before you jump into
the reskilling, be clear about it, like where you're going
and what are your strengths, and then depending on that
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also looking into where the market is going. And when
we talk about market, it's about different companies the different directions.
So for currently, you know, AI has taken over and
the whole landscape has changed. So what are your thoughts
on that.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, it's you know, market timing is really important and
I don't care what field or industry you go into.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You know, I started out.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I started my business thirty years ago because I couldn't
find a job and I at the time I wanted
to be in women's sports marketing and there was no
business or industry or market there. So I created a
publication in the industry and from there I created a
sports marketing agency and then the online career center and
all of these things. But I created these things, but
I also and then I started my search firm twenty
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twenty five years ago with a specialty in women in
diversity hiring. And you know, back then it was just
a success to get a meeting on the topic. But
timing is important, so you know, and you take a
look at where we are now, and you take a
look at kind of some of the areas that I
was in, and market timing is critical, So.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I think that's important.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
You know, you look at evs and what's happening electric vehicles,
and twenty years ago, nobody thought that was going to
be anything to be part of today. But you know,
you look at the auto industry as an example, and
now you've got to have people that are capable of
fixing these vehicles and doing these types of things. So
it is important to know where industries are going and
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where the growth looks like it's going to be in
the future, and you've got to try to just stay
up on that. And it's hard to stay up on
all the sectors, so you really kind of got to
focus in on where you are and what's happening around you,
but always be looking at what's happening in the economy,
what's happening in the world at large.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I want to come back that definitely, that makes sense.
I want to come back to what you mentioned earlier.
You said that there was no need or there was
a need, but there was nothing like a sports marketing agency.
So tell us a little bit more about that time.
So one thing is like, okay, what does market want?
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Another thing is finding a gap and creating a niche
and carving out a path for yourself. So tell us
a bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, so you know what does the market want?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
And the timing, I mean, I was in it at
a women's sports as a market had, you know, these
these peaks and valleys constantly, you know, where people thought,
oh it was here, you know, and I had gotten
in and started my publication in nineteen ninety five. The
ninety six Olympics were right around the corner. The women,
you know, took over and won the gold medals. You know,
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the WNBA was just being launched in ninety seven, you know,
the ABL another competing basketball league.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
So and I was in it with a group of.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Women and people that you know, we had thought my
colleagues that women's sports had kind of made it. We
were on the rise at that particular time, and then
I watched, you know, I was fortunate to probably have
one of the longest standing businesses in women's sports at
that particular time, but many everybody was dropping off. You know,
Sports Illustrated for Women's magazine a lot of these you know,
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big names, and people had put money behind it. Some
of the leagues had gotten thirty million in funding and
put money behind it. But the market wasn't there and
it was not sustainable at that particular time. Had I
known what I know now about market research and things
like that and really taking a look at it, if
I had really looked at it from the nuts and
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bolt standpoint, I probably would have said, well, there's not
really a market there. But to your point, you know,
your second point of finding a niche. You know, what
I did recognize when I was looking for a job
in the market was there wasn't anything. It was very fragmented.
So I could create a publication which was I built
it as a number one information resource and it covered
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business development, corporate sponsors, a need that was missing. And
then I had a little section in the back that
was related to jobs. And so I kind of created
this publication which became a loss leader, and then it
opened the door to consulting, open the door to launching
a sports marketing agency, and then working with companies and
actually doing that work for ten.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Years, you know, doing it.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
So you know, I think there's something to be said
for creating things when you look and you see that
there's something that's not there. And I think it's also
important to recognize, you know, is the market really going
to be sustainable for the kind of business that you
want to run?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Hmmm, very insightful. Is it going to be sustainable? And also,
depending on your goals and what do you want to
achieve in life, are you looking for sustainability and along
with it scaling because if you have big dreams, it's
also important to kind of focus on like, Okay, I've
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got the idea, and is it sustainable? Is it scalable?
So in terms of business, you know, usually people talk
about minimum viable products. So did you have that in
your mind or you just kind of no?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I mean, I you know, I wrote my book. Part
of part of writing my book was all the lessons
learned right, And there is a there is a chapter
in there on working for yourself and running your own
business and and you know, asking these questions before you
just jump in. So I pretty much have made all
the mistakes out there. But you know, I think it's
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you know, I never looked at or focused. I was
following a passion and I never looked at and focused
on was I going to make money? How was I
going to make I mean I tried, I learned to
generate revenue probably a dozen different ways, but I was
never I didn't come from that mindset of thinking about
that of scaling a business or thinking about you know,
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profit and loss and the balance sheet and that sort
of thing. I just jumped in and created and so
you know, those are part of the lessons.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Learned, definitely. So hey, now we have talked about quite
a few things. So visiting back to when you had said, like,
you know, learning how to monetize their skills. So you
do talk about a three career strategy that people can use,
So how would they use that to monetize their skills?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, I think it's important.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The reason why I say three careers is because we
start out and you know, for many people, we might
work twenty twenty five years. I mean, look at what's
happening today. We are living longer, we are working longer.
Many people want to work longer. Many people don't want
to retire in the traditional way that you know people
used to. So whether it's a side hustle, whether you know,
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whatever it is that they're doing, I think that it's
natural to do something X amount of years and think, Okay,
I really want to do something different. Now I want
to challenge myself and do something different, and then maybe
I want to do something in my last chapter. So
I think by thinking that way, we don't get so
stuck in just one lane and feel like this is
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all I know how to do or can do. So
I think that's important. But the other thing is in
terms of deciding and managing your career, one of the
things that I the focus of the book is the
Steep Qualifications, And that's something I created after working with
people for so many years and myself and my job
and career changes and really recognizing and looking at how
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can I help people manage their careers better?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
How can we do this better?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Because we look at financial management, we look at health management,
all of these different things, but when it comes to
managing our careers, we're not really following any sort of framework.
And so when I really looked at it, the steep qualifications,
your skills, the tools, your education, your experience, and your
personal qualities. Those are the things that you can take
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with you through any career path. You have to align
it to what that is and your goals are within
that career path. But if you always go back to
where it's a good starting point. So I'm I'm working
with somebody who wants to make a career transition. We're
going to go back to your steep qualifications. Let's just
start from where you are today. What are your skills,
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what are the tools that you have, what's your education been,
what is your experience been, And then I want to
know a little bit about the personal qualities that are
going to help them get up that ladder or get
through that tunnel or whatever it is, cross that river
that they want. But that's the starting point. And then
if you start there and you just focus on that
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in terms of which direction you want to go, that's
going to be a framework you can use with you
regardless of what.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
You do or what direction you go.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Definitely, so as we talk about that, you know, you
mentioned about that. You know a lot of people are
deciding not to retire traditionally, and then in some cases
people are not able to retire because they're not saved enough.
So we're finding that a lot of baby boomers are
coming back to work.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
When we have baby boomers there, then we also have
the gen Z stepping into the workforce. So when we're
looking at these two generations with such different values, when
you kind of look at the intergenerational communication and generation gap,
so what would you say are some of the ways
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that they can work together?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Gosh, I think it's and that's such a great question, diiv.
It is.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
It's something right now we're not embracing in the workforce
that if we did, it could help in so many ways.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I think that certainly, the baby boomers, you know, have
they're dependable, they know what a work week is like
a traditional work week.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
They've been there.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
They've got great leadership skills, they've got management skills, they've
got time management skills, they've got project management skills. We
need that in the workforce today. We have a younger
generation that and also they also may be lacking some
of the digital skills right or not as fast and
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up to speed as we see the gen Z and
the younger you know, generations that are just growing up
with it. The younger generations could benefit from all of
those things that the baby boomers have to bring back
to the workforce or that have in the workforce today.
And it's such a it would be such a great
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mentor match because the younger ones can move quickly with
speed and quickly with technology, but sometimes they lack that
maybe taking the time to communicate the communication skills, whether
it's just a short text, whether it's you know, taking
the time to have a thorough conversation to go over
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the details, or whether it's you know, they're moving so
fast that those types of things are things that they're
not used to.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
They many of them have not.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Worked outside of a remote situation. They're not getting that
collaboration or that mentorship of knowing when to speak in
a meeting, when not to speak in a meeting, what
their role is, you know, how to be part of
a team, but understand what their role is and where
their contribution is supposed to be. So these types of
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things we could you know, bring together and I believe
really make a difference in our GDP and our productivity
today if we could figure out how to harness that better.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Absolutely, and at the same time, we could have reverse mentoring,
which I'm a strong proponent of. The the gen z
could mentor baby boomers helping them acknoledge and that manage
between the two generations like taking the wisdom from one
and then taking the technology as you mentioned, you know,
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we could increase the productivity and bring our content even
further on the map than where it is. So definitely,
so sb're talking through so many different areas for careers,
there are still inherent risks which people may not be
aware of. So can you share some of the risks
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that our audience can focus on, become aware of it,
and how can they move through those?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Absolutely, I don't think there's ever been a time that
I have seen anyway where people's careers are more at
risk than they are today. And you know, you have
the things we've talked about with the economy, geopolitical risks,
you have all of the industries changing, technology AI changing,
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so you.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Have all of those things.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
But adding to that, you know, we have a very
a culture that's very challenging today and there's all kinds
of risks within that culture. We have online today where
anybody's career can be taken down in a moment's notice
with a posting. You know, people can lose jobs, lose
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opportunities because of an email sent here or there.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
The risks of.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
You know, something surfacing in somebody's life. You know, ten
years from now, fifteen years or ago, twenty years ago.
Those types of things were never risk before. Now they are,
and somebody's livelihood can be taken down just in a
moment's notice because of things like that. So cancel culture,
you know, any of these types of things. And you know,
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for people that you know, we're in a situation where
it's really really hard to protect yourself from any of
those things, protecting yourself from discrimination. You know, I've had
many people over time, maybe somebody has found something in
their back background because of a posting that they did,
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you know, fifteen years ago at a wedding or this
or that that that, and they lose out on opportunities.
You know, we never had those kinds of risks that
you have today. So I think all the things combined,
you know, economies and flux, you know, different things affecting
one another, all of these types of things, and then
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of course the cost of living and inflation and all
of those types of things play a role. So we're
just incredibly vulnerable today in our jobs and careers.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Absolutely, so sometimes it can just kind of come down
to survival. What would you say are one or two
skills that people need to develop and that it's essential
actually to develop those to survive.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Before I timing, and it is, it really is, and
you just you just never know what we're going to
be faced with tomorrow, right, So it is survival. So
I think one of the things is it's important to
have cash flow no matter what. And that's you know,
when you think about job security today, we rely on
only one. You know, typically people rely on their employer
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and they think, okay, that's it. And I don't think
that we can live that way anymore. I think that
I want people to think about it as how am
I going to set myself up to protect myself with
some cash flow streams.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So I think it's important.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
That yes, you know, you've got a good job and
you maintain employment. You know, there's lots of times where
people are out of work for six months, a year,
two years. They don't think it's going to be that long.
So I think maintaining employment is important. Don't quit a
job before you have a job. I did that too,
You know, all of these types of things. But then
I think it's also you know, figuring out where and
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how can you monetize skills you have, whether it's those
same skills or whether it's other skills. You know, I
have neighbors who have orchards and you know, sell at
farmers' markets. You know, I have I know people that
you know, whether it's an airbnb, whether they're monetizing their skills.
Maybe they're an accountant and they're helping you know, neighbors
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with taxes during tax season, you know, whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Trying to make.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Sure that you've got some other things lined up with
cash flows so that when the unexpected does happen, you're
at least prepared to pivot temporarily until you can figure
out what you're going to do next.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
And it's not going to take down, you know, your
entire life.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, No, definitely some really great points over there and
seeing like, you know, how you while you're doing in
your current lifestyle, what could you do? And actually one
of my clients kind of knew that, well, he hadn't
prepared himself from ahead of the time, but he knew
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that he was going to get laid off. Unfortunately, he
had like four to five months and he's like, Okay,
what could I do? He said, explore, like, you know,
what is comfortable for you what could you do. He
picked up tutoring, so which was maybe three or four
hours per day, and it allowed him to continue to
apply for jobs and also have besides having that paid
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that additional cash flow in case if he didn't find
the job within the months where he had his severing space.
So it worked out like I mean, he got it.
But then he kept that side gig for just two
three and then one of my clients picked up on
just darc sitting because she loves it over the weekend,
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and surprisingly she says, oh, I'm able to pay for
my vacations. So it all depends, you know, what's comfortable
for you and what's kind of working through.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
So tell us what is next for you back?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Oh gosh, well, I've got to get a daughter graduated.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You know. I think looking for ways to.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
To how I can use my experience to help other people,
you know, whether it's you know, the gen zs struggling
with what they're trying to figure out to do, the
baby boomers, those in the middle making career transitions, people
contemplating do I want to start a business. What should
I think about before? You know, I want to make
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a career transition. I don't know how. I think it's
just a As we've talked about career management today and
our livelihoods and the world that we're living in today.
You know, it's incredibly stressful, and so feeling secure in
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your job, feeling secure in your work and also enjoying
what you do, getting up every day and feeling passionate
about what you're doing and enjoying that, you know, I
think it's important.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And if I can.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Help people at least get closer to that and feel
a little bit more in control and managing and controlling
their destiny so that somebody else doesn't, then, you know,
if I can help a few people do that, you know,
then I'll be doing what I want.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
To be doing.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Absolutely, So share us, you know where people can connect
with you. Where can they find your book?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah, thank you and thank you again for having me so, Becky.
Heidish dot com is the website and they'll be you know,
things coming along there as we're developing and doing more
things there. And as far as my book, it's on Amazon.
You can pick it up there. The Career Masterclass for
Women Staying Marketable and Succeeding in a changing business world
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I'll say the tips, tools, strategies, and tactics in there,
even though the book is written for women, is applicable
to all. So it's all kind of a catch all
of things that I think would be helpful for people
at any phase. Maybe that resource on the book that
they can go to when they need it.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
M definitely any last thoughts you'd like to share with
your audience.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Hang in there.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
You know, it's a it's a changing time, but it's
it also can be an exciting time. And you know,
I would say keep an eye on, you know, don't
lose sight of your passions, but keep an eye also
on you know, the intersection of your passions and your
skill and the opportunities.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Definitely, so change is the time when you can innovate.
And yes, change can be daunting, but always remember change
is not something that's happening to you, but change is
something that you could be leading. So as you shed Becky,
it's important that you know we look at it as
a time to innovate, and which we mean pivoting or
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doing whatever is needed so that it becomes that exciting
time for you. Thank you, Becky for joining us and
sharing your insights and.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Thank you, Thanks for having me, thank you for the listeners, Thank.
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Becky mentioned, times are tough, reach out to us. Let
us know how can we support you. What are the
topics you would like? And I promise you I'll bring
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life you deserve. Thank you one for making the show possible.
Be val and take care until next time.
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Good morning listeners, so excited to be here with you.
So it's Tuesday morning and just a phenomenal day. The
sun is out. Can't ask for a birthday. So talking
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is Rika, and I want to give her a huge,
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just like I love hearing from you, my dear audience.
So that's how we do. And let's bring in our guest.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Welcome, Becky, thank you, thanks for having me. It's good
to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Absolutely so share with us if you recall a moment
or a person from your youth or childhood that left
a positive mark on you.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Oh gosh, I've I've been blessed. I've had many, you know.
I I would probably say my godmother, my aunt. She
just uh, she was a teacher. She just had a
very positive outlook on life. Watched her, you know, raise
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a family, have career, uh, loved children, just loved the beach.
Uh just really had and had such a heart for hospitality.
Grew up in the Midwest and battled breast cancer and
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just always had a positive outlook on everything.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Just enjoyed life.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
She was always happy, she had a lot of wit,
just enjoyable and always a safe place to land.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
M definitely so Midwest. I can definitely tell you, like
we had gone to Minnesota and like kind of went
through Wisconsin and the neighboring states, and I forget the
name of the National park in Minnesota, beautiful, beautiful place.
And as we you know, drove down through, people were
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so lovely, very nice and so friendly. So I definitely
get that.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
So it's a great, a tremendous extended family in the Midwest,
and you know they come from roots of farming and
just you know, really good family people.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I forget the name of a town. And they were
like Norwegian people and just so helpful, like every turn
that we made, just smiling, and it almost seemed like
a town out of Hallmark movie.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So kind of coming back to your story. As you
grew up, did you have any specific interests.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I think sports athletics was kind of around our family
all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So I enjoyed. I enjoyed the water.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I enjoyed We did a lot of activities and I
enjoyed the beach, the water, water skiing, you know, things
like that. And I don't know exactly where, but somewhere
along the way there was probably my mom. You know,
this thread towards business and this thread towards watching the markets.
(05:39):
You know, I dabble in the markets on a regular basis.
I follow the markets closely. I'm trading every day. You know,
those are just kind of like some interest I had.
And although I started out on the educational side, I
always had kind of this. I was always looking beyond
that from just always had an interest on the business side.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, no, definitely, And right now the markets are all
over the place, but that's outside. Like okay, So tell me,
Like you mentioned about the education, So what was that
time in your life and how did that pen out?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
You know, I always liked school and so so going
to school was you know, I liked it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I enjoyed school all the way through.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
You know, my teachers just I know some people just
you know, struggle with school per se, you know, but
you know, I always enjoyed it, and I think, you know,
I had.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
A little bit of influence.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Both my parents didn't go to college, so you know,
for them, it was kind of new territory.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
When I was seventeen, I decided I wanted to go
away to school, and so I just kind of made
that venture and I did that, and then I ended
up getting an undergraduate and graduate degree, and at the
time it was health and physical education, and then I
went back later and got an MBA. I'm in the
process of I'm an older parent with a gen Z
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daughter that's just getting ready to graduate high school and
moving into those decisions. And you know, from an education standpoint,
so much has changed, you know. I mean, we could
spend an enormous amount of time just talking about that,
and especially young people today and the way they're learning
and the way they look at things. But you know,
the traditional paths of declaring a major, doing one thing
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and one job, so much of that has changed. You know,
it's estimated now that we're going to have twelve somewhere
close to a dozen jobs and three to seven different careers.
And so you know, you have a workforce, an economy,
and a world that is changing at such a rapid
speed as you know, and your work and AI. But
you have that, and you have all of that is
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also perpetuating the way young people are learning today. Yeah,
so have all of these things kind of playing a
role at the same time and.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Different opportunities.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, so you mentioned that, you know, people are going
to have twelve jobs, and that's one of the things
nobody talks about. People are still as you mentioned, people
are still talking about the major and you know, with
it having that straight path, so that's not there. So
what does that mean for today's workforce?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Well, I think number one, you know when you take
a look and you know this in your background on technology,
I mean the average amount of time that you know,
skills can be outdated within six months anymore. So if
we're not upscaling, rescaling, stacking skills and moving in that
direction and constantly staying up with the tools in our
industry or the lane that we're in and that we're
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working in, you're constantly going to be kind of running
from behind. So I think we have that. And from
a digital standpoint, digital literacy, data literacy, all of those
skills related to that are huge today. But beyond that,
you know, you've got to be nimble, and you've got
to be able to be resourceful, and you've got to
be able to pivot in And I talk about in
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my book. The first couple of chapters are just related
to the foundation of job security today because so much
of that has changed. And you know, we grew up
at a time and you know, my parents and generations
where it was one or two jobs and you had
that job security. And I think we as individuals, we
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want to be able to believe or think that the
company's going to protect us, or the organization is going
to protect us, or even our own business we're going
to be able to rely on And you just can't
rely on any of those things anymore. And so, you know,
one of the other things I talk about in the
book is developing, you know, the number one essential skill,
and that's to be able to monetize your skills and
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know how to do.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
That and be able to leverage.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
So it's really important that I try to tell my
daughter to think multiple careers.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Now many careers.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
You know, if you may start out in this and
this is going to be where you want to start out,
and that's great. And there are some people that are
going to start out and stay in the same lane
and that's great too. And if they have a passion
and they're performing and they're growing and they're learning and
they love what they're doing, then you know, more power
to them and they should stay there. But for the
way and changing, it's got to be you know, you
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have to be very nimble today.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, definitely. So it brings up a couple of talking points.
One is that you know, it's important to be reskilling
all the time. So now when you're talking about reskilling
based on the experience, what would you recommend for our
audience reskilling in their own line of work? Are looking
for the others?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, so I think it's really important if they have
a direction and they have a path. I think it's
super important because you know, the reskilling is just one
component of it. But if you don't know where you're going,
or you don't know you know what you want to
be doing next or what your plan is, then there's
so many opportunities to reskill you can kind of get lost.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
It's the same with the tools that we use today.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Right, So it's it's important that they think about what
they're doing now and what does it look like in
that in their industry or in their particular sector in
their industry, and what are the new tools coming and
where do they want to If they're going to stay
in that lane, then they have to stay up with
what's happening in that particular sector so that they're ahead
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of the head of the path, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Mm hmm, So definitely. So what I'm hearing is that
having that clarity around where they're going and also knowing, like,
you know, what are their strengths because the skills are transferable.
So as you mentioned, you know, before you jump into
the reskilling, be clear about it, like where you're going
and what are your strengths, and then depending on that
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also looking into where the market is going. And when
we talk about market, it's about different companies the different directions.
So for currently, you know, AI has taken over and
the whole landscape has changed. So what are your thoughts
on that.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, it's you know, market timing is really important and
I don't care what field or industry you go into.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You know, I started out.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I started my business thirty years ago because I couldn't
find a job and I at the time I wanted
to be in women's sports marketing and there was no
business or industry or market there. So I created a
publication in the industry and from there I created a
sports marketing agency and then the online career center and
all of these things. But I created these things, but
I also and then I started my search firm twenty
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twenty five years ago with a specialty in women in
diversity hiring. And you know, back then it was just
a success to get a meeting on the topic. But
timing is important, so you know, and you take a
look at where we are now, and you take a
look at kind of some of the areas that I
was in, and market timing is critical, So.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I think that's important.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
You know, you look at evs and what's happening electric vehicles,
and twenty years ago, nobody thought that was going to
be anything to be part of today. But you know,
you look at the auto industry as an example, and
now you've got to have people that are capable of
fixing these vehicles and doing these types of things. So
it is important to know where industries are going and
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where the growth looks like it's going to be in
the future, and you've got to try to just stay
up on that. And it's hard to stay up on
all the sectors, so you really kind of got to
focus in on where you are and what's happening around you,
but always be looking at what's happening in the economy,
what's happening in the world at large.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I want to come back that definitely, that makes sense.
I want to come back to what you mentioned earlier.
You said that there was no need or there was
a need, but there was nothing like a sports marketing agency.
So tell us a little bit more about that time.
So one thing is like, okay, what does market want?
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Another thing is finding a gap and creating a niche
and carving out a path for yourself. So tell us
a bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, so you know what does the market want?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
And the timing, I mean, I was in it at
a women's sports as a market had, you know, these
these peaks and valleys constantly, you know, where people thought,
oh it was here, you know, and I had gotten
in and started my publication in nineteen ninety five. The
ninety six Olympics were right around the corner. The women,
you know, took over and won the gold medals. You know,
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the WNBA was just being launched in ninety seven, you know,
the ABL another competing basketball league.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
So and I was in it with a group of.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Women and people that you know, we had thought my
colleagues that women's sports had kind of made it. We
were on the rise at that particular time, and then
I watched, you know, I was fortunate to probably have
one of the longest standing businesses in women's sports at
that particular time, but many everybody was dropping off. You know,
Sports Illustrated for Women's magazine a lot of these you know,
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big names, and people had put money behind it. Some
of the leagues had gotten thirty million in funding and
put money behind it. But the market wasn't there and
it was not sustainable at that particular time. Had I
known what I know now about market research and things
like that and really taking a look at it, if
I had really looked at it from the nuts and
(15:27):
bolt standpoint, I probably would have said, well, there's not
really a market there. But to your point, you know,
your second point of finding a niche. You know, what
I did recognize when I was looking for a job
in the market was there wasn't anything. It was very fragmented.
So I could create a publication which was I built
it as a number one information resource and it covered
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business development, corporate sponsors, a need that was missing. And
then I had a little section in the back that
was related to jobs. And so I kind of created
this publication which became a loss leader, and then it
opened the door to consulting, open the door to launching
a sports marketing agency, and then working with companies and
actually doing that work for ten.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Years, you know, doing it.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
So you know, I think there's something to be said
for creating things when you look and you see that
there's something that's not there. And I think it's also
important to recognize, you know, is the market really going
to be sustainable for the kind of business that you
want to run?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Hmmm, very insightful. Is it going to be sustainable? And also,
depending on your goals and what do you want to
achieve in life, are you looking for sustainability and along
with it scaling because if you have big dreams, it's
also important to kind of focus on like, Okay, I've
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got the idea, and is it sustainable? Is it scalable?
So in terms of business, you know, usually people talk
about minimum viable products. So did you have that in
your mind or you just kind of no?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I mean, I you know, I wrote my book. Part
of part of writing my book was all the lessons
learned right, And there is a there is a chapter
in there on working for yourself and running your own
business and and you know, asking these questions before you
just jump in. So I pretty much have made all
the mistakes out there. But you know, I think it's
(17:21):
you know, I never looked at or focused. I was
following a passion and I never looked at and focused
on was I going to make money? How was I
going to make I mean I tried, I learned to
generate revenue probably a dozen different ways, but I was
never I didn't come from that mindset of thinking about
that of scaling a business or thinking about you know,
(17:44):
profit and loss and the balance sheet and that sort
of thing. I just jumped in and created and so
you know, those are part of the lessons.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Learned, definitely. So hey, now we have talked about quite
a few things. So visiting back to when you had said, like,
you know, learning how to monetize their skills. So you
do talk about a three career strategy that people can use,
So how would they use that to monetize their skills?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, I think it's important.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The reason why I say three careers is because we
start out and you know, for many people, we might
work twenty twenty five years. I mean, look at what's
happening today. We are living longer, we are working longer.
Many people want to work longer. Many people don't want
to retire in the traditional way that you know people
used to. So whether it's a side hustle, whether you know,
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whatever it is that they're doing, I think that it's
natural to do something X amount of years and think, Okay,
I really want to do something different. Now I want
to challenge myself and do something different, and then maybe
I want to do something in my last chapter. So
I think by thinking that way, we don't get so
stuck in just one lane and feel like this is
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all I know how to do or can do. So
I think that's important. But the other thing is in
terms of deciding and managing your career, one of the
things that I the focus of the book is the
Steep Qualifications, And that's something I created after working with
people for so many years and myself and my job
and career changes and really recognizing and looking at how
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can I help people manage their careers better?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
How can we do this better?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Because we look at financial management, we look at health management,
all of these different things, but when it comes to
managing our careers, we're not really following any sort of framework.
And so when I really looked at it, the steep qualifications,
your skills, the tools, your education, your experience, and your
personal qualities. Those are the things that you can take
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with you through any career path. You have to align
it to what that is and your goals are within
that career path. But if you always go back to
where it's a good starting point. So I'm I'm working
with somebody who wants to make a career transition. We're
going to go back to your steep qualifications. Let's just
start from where you are today. What are your skills,
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what are the tools that you have, what's your education been,
what is your experience been, And then I want to
know a little bit about the personal qualities that are
going to help them get up that ladder or get
through that tunnel or whatever it is, cross that river
that they want. But that's the starting point. And then
if you start there and you just focus on that
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in terms of which direction you want to go, that's
going to be a framework you can use with you
regardless of what.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
You do or what direction you go.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Definitely, so as we talk about that, you know, you
mentioned about that. You know a lot of people are
deciding not to retire traditionally, and then in some cases
people are not able to retire because they're not saved enough.
So we're finding that a lot of baby boomers are
coming back to work.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
When we have baby boomers there, then we also have
the gen Z stepping into the workforce. So when we're
looking at these two generations with such different values, when
you kind of look at the intergenerational communication and generation gap,
so what would you say are some of the ways
(21:20):
that they can work together?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Gosh, I think it's and that's such a great question, diiv.
It is.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
It's something right now we're not embracing in the workforce
that if we did, it could help in so many ways.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I think that certainly, the baby boomers, you know, have
they're dependable, they know what a work week is like
a traditional work week.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
They've been there.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
They've got great leadership skills, they've got management skills, they've
got time management skills, they've got project management skills. We
need that in the workforce today. We have a younger
generation that and also they also may be lacking some
of the digital skills right or not as fast and
(22:10):
up to speed as we see the gen Z and
the younger you know, generations that are just growing up
with it. The younger generations could benefit from all of
those things that the baby boomers have to bring back
to the workforce or that have in the workforce today.
And it's such a it would be such a great
(22:31):
mentor match because the younger ones can move quickly with
speed and quickly with technology, but sometimes they lack that
maybe taking the time to communicate the communication skills, whether
it's just a short text, whether it's you know, taking
the time to have a thorough conversation to go over
(22:51):
the details, or whether it's you know, they're moving so
fast that those types of things are things that they're
not used to.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
They many of them have not.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Worked outside of a remote situation. They're not getting that
collaboration or that mentorship of knowing when to speak in
a meeting, when not to speak in a meeting, what
their role is, you know, how to be part of
a team, but understand what their role is and where
their contribution is supposed to be. So these types of
(23:21):
things we could you know, bring together and I believe
really make a difference in our GDP and our productivity
today if we could figure out how to harness that better.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Absolutely, and at the same time, we could have reverse mentoring,
which I'm a strong proponent of. The the gen z
could mentor baby boomers helping them acknoledge and that manage
between the two generations like taking the wisdom from one
and then taking the technology as you mentioned, you know,
(23:55):
we could increase the productivity and bring our content even
further on the map than where it is. So definitely,
so sb're talking through so many different areas for careers,
there are still inherent risks which people may not be
aware of. So can you share some of the risks
(24:17):
that our audience can focus on, become aware of it,
and how can they move through those?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Absolutely, I don't think there's ever been a time that
I have seen anyway where people's careers are more at
risk than they are today. And you know, you have
the things we've talked about with the economy, geopolitical risks,
you have all of the industries changing, technology AI changing,
(24:47):
so you.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Have all of those things.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
But adding to that, you know, we have a very
a culture that's very challenging today and there's all kinds
of risks within that culture. We have online today where
anybody's career can be taken down in a moment's notice
with a posting. You know, people can lose jobs, lose
(25:12):
opportunities because of an email sent here or there.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
The risks of.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
You know, something surfacing in somebody's life. You know, ten
years from now, fifteen years or ago, twenty years ago.
Those types of things were never risk before. Now they are,
and somebody's livelihood can be taken down just in a
moment's notice because of things like that. So cancel culture,
you know, any of these types of things. And you know,
(25:41):
for people that you know, we're in a situation where
it's really really hard to protect yourself from any of
those things, protecting yourself from discrimination. You know, I've had
many people over time, maybe somebody has found something in
their back background because of a posting that they did,
(26:02):
you know, fifteen years ago at a wedding or this
or that that that, and they lose out on opportunities.
You know, we never had those kinds of risks that
you have today. So I think all the things combined,
you know, economies and flux, you know, different things affecting
one another, all of these types of things, and then
(26:26):
of course the cost of living and inflation and all
of those types of things play a role. So we're
just incredibly vulnerable today in our jobs and careers.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Absolutely, so sometimes it can just kind of come down
to survival. What would you say are one or two
skills that people need to develop and that it's essential
actually to develop those to survive.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Before I timing, and it is, it really is, and
you just you just never know what we're going to
be faced with tomorrow, right, So it is survival. So
I think one of the things is it's important to
have cash flow no matter what. And that's you know,
when you think about job security today, we rely on
only one. You know, typically people rely on their employer
(27:16):
and they think, okay, that's it. And I don't think
that we can live that way anymore. I think that
I want people to think about it as how am
I going to set myself up to protect myself with
some cash flow streams.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So I think it's important.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
That yes, you know, you've got a good job and
you maintain employment. You know, there's lots of times where
people are out of work for six months, a year,
two years. They don't think it's going to be that long.
So I think maintaining employment is important. Don't quit a
job before you have a job. I did that too,
You know, all of these types of things. But then
I think it's also you know, figuring out where and
(27:52):
how can you monetize skills you have, whether it's those
same skills or whether it's other skills. You know, I
have neighbors who have orchards and you know, sell at
farmers' markets. You know, I have I know people that
you know, whether it's an airbnb, whether they're monetizing their skills.
Maybe they're an accountant and they're helping you know, neighbors
(28:13):
with taxes during tax season, you know, whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Trying to make.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Sure that you've got some other things lined up with
cash flows so that when the unexpected does happen, you're
at least prepared to pivot temporarily until you can figure
out what you're going to do next.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
And it's not going to take down, you know, your
entire life.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, No, definitely some really great points over there and
seeing like, you know, how you while you're doing in
your current lifestyle, what could you do? And actually one
of my clients kind of knew that, well, he hadn't
prepared himself from ahead of the time, but he knew
(28:56):
that he was going to get laid off. Unfortunately, he
had like four to five months and he's like, Okay,
what could I do? He said, explore, like, you know,
what is comfortable for you what could you do. He
picked up tutoring, so which was maybe three or four
hours per day, and it allowed him to continue to
apply for jobs and also have besides having that paid
(29:18):
that additional cash flow in case if he didn't find
the job within the months where he had his severing space.
So it worked out like I mean, he got it.
But then he kept that side gig for just two
three and then one of my clients picked up on
just darc sitting because she loves it over the weekend,
(29:41):
and surprisingly she says, oh, I'm able to pay for
my vacations. So it all depends, you know, what's comfortable
for you and what's kind of working through.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
So tell us what is next for you back?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Oh gosh, well, I've got to get a daughter graduated.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You know. I think looking for ways to.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
To how I can use my experience to help other people,
you know, whether it's you know, the gen zs struggling
with what they're trying to figure out to do, the
baby boomers, those in the middle making career transitions, people
contemplating do I want to start a business. What should
I think about before? You know, I want to make
(30:33):
a career transition. I don't know how. I think it's
just a As we've talked about career management today and
our livelihoods and the world that we're living in today.
You know, it's incredibly stressful, and so feeling secure in
(30:53):
your job, feeling secure in your work and also enjoying
what you do, getting up every day and feeling passionate
about what you're doing and enjoying that, you know, I
think it's important.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And if I can.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Help people at least get closer to that and feel
a little bit more in control and managing and controlling
their destiny so that somebody else doesn't, then, you know,
if I can help a few people do that, you know,
then I'll be doing what I want.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
To be doing.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Absolutely, So share us, you know where people can connect
with you. Where can they find your book?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah, thank you and thank you again for having me so, Becky.
Heidish dot com is the website and they'll be you know,
things coming along there as we're developing and doing more
things there. And as far as my book, it's on Amazon.
You can pick it up there. The Career Masterclass for
Women Staying Marketable and Succeeding in a changing business world
(31:52):
I'll say the tips, tools, strategies, and tactics in there,
even though the book is written for women, is applicable
to all. So it's all kind of a catch all
of things that I think would be helpful for people
at any phase. Maybe that resource on the book that
they can go to when they need it.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
M definitely any last thoughts you'd like to share with
your audience.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Hang in there.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
You know, it's a it's a changing time, but it's
it also can be an exciting time. And you know,
I would say keep an eye on, you know, don't
lose sight of your passions, but keep an eye also
on you know, the intersection of your passions and your
skill and the opportunities.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Definitely, so change is the time when you can innovate.
And yes, change can be daunting, but always remember change
is not something that's happening to you, but change is
something that you could be leading. So as you shed Becky,
it's important that you know we look at it as
a time to innovate, and which we mean pivoting or
(32:58):
doing whatever is needed so that it becomes that exciting
time for you. Thank you, Becky for joining us and
sharing your insights and.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Thank you, Thanks for having me, thank you for the listeners, Thank.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You wonderful audience for being with us. And I know
some of you have been with us for years, probably
not sure you know we've been doing this for eight
to nine years or even more. So. I want to
appreciate you, each and every one of you. And as
Becky mentioned, times are tough, reach out to us. Let
us know how can we support you. What are the
topics you would like? And I promise you I'll bring
(33:35):
those experts for you so that you can live the
life you deserve. Thank you one for making the show possible.
Be val and take care until next time.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Thank you for being part of Beyond Confidence. With your
host d V Park, we hope you have learned more
about how to start living the life you want. Each
week on Beyond Confidence, you hear stories of real people
who've experienced growth by overcoming their fears and building meaning relationships.
During Beyond Confidence, Dvpark shares what happened to her when
she stepped out of her comfort zone to work directly
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with people across the globe. She not only coaches people
how to form hard connections, but also transform relationships to
mutually beneficial partnerships as they strive to live the life
they want. If you are ready to live the life
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