September 22, 2025 • 39 mins
From selling everything to wander Mexico with only a guitar and a dream, Marko shares his bold journey into the unknown. Discover how silence, a fire like determination, and inner trust led him to write Soul Path and host transformational retreats. A powerful reminder to follow your inner call—no matter how unconventional.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
At the end of the day, it's not about what
you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what
you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,
who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.
Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is
to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you
(00:51):
to do the same.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Marco, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thanks for having me, doctor Doc. It's great to be you.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So I'm looking at your name. I'm here and it's
a little bit different than what I just called you.
Can you explain that?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, that would be because I did a call with
my brother Earliott today. His name is Roslov. I should
be reading fine, Now there we.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Go, There we go. Okay, I was just wondering if
we had Doogal personalities here.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Make sure.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Anyway, you have a very interesting journey and we have
a very interesting topic to talk about today. Would you
share with the audience number one, where you're at right
now and then also your journey what brought you to
this point of writing your book and doing all of
the retreats that you're doing and that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, absolutely so. Right now, I'm calling from Serbia in Europe.
This is home country fuel where I was born, but
where I spent very little time in my life. I
was raised in Australia, papit of Ues, so that's where
the accent's from. And then the last five or six
years I spent living a very nomadic experience of life. Actually,
I was right during the time of the pandemic that
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I came to terms with the fact that I was
living a life that wasn't deeply inspiring to me, even
though I was giving everything of myself to that life
and it was a beautiful life, but I didn't feel
inspired on the inside. And that was right at the
age of twenty nine, I was looking down the barrel
of my thirtieth birthday and I said to myself that
if this is what life is moving forward, I'm not
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that interested. I want a life that's deeply inspiring, that
burns red hot, like when you see a beautiful fire
crackling away and you see those red hot coals. That's
the kind of inspiration I wanted to feel. And so
I made a fairly unique decision where I sold everything
that I owned, including a forty acre property. I parted
ways with my partner at the time, and I booked
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a one way ticket into the unknown, which was two
Mexico for me.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So I booked the one way ticket with nothing more
than one suitcase and one guitar on the other hand,
and I went to Mexico only knowing one person over there,
not speaking the language, not really having a plan, but
having a sense of inspiration that I was being called there.
And so that was about five years ago now, and
since then it's been a life of really crafting out
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and chiseling out a life that is inspiring. And I
feel very blessed and grateful to say that today I
do get to live a life that is deeply inspiring
to me. Every single day I have conversations that are
deeply exciting to me, and I do work there I
feel as a service and a value to humanity at
a large scale beyond myself.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So and when did you write your book and what
motivated you? And obviously let the audience know what the
name of your book is.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, of course, So the name of the book is
Soul Path, and I spent all the last year writing it.
So I spent nine months writing the book. I did
about seventy revisions during that time. I was manic about
that piece of work, that book being one of the
masterpieces of my life. So I really wanted to give
it everything that I could. And during the right writing process,
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I had a lot of people give me feedback. They're like, oh,
you've done enough revisions, just put it out there. But
it didn't feel complete me in my heart as the
work of art that I wanted it to be. So
I kept working away on it for about nine months
and then spent a few months launching it towards the
back end of last year. As far as what the
book entails is, it's just twenty two short stories of
my journeys through Mexico and other lands that was largely
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around following what I referred to as the soul path,
and the sole path for me is nothing more than
that life of highest inspiration, and some people can call
it the universal Plan, God's Plan, the most aligned path.
For me, I just called it the soul path because
during my time in Mexico over the last five years,
I started having encounters with life and experiences that felt
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like I was living a movie script that I wasn't
even aware of. So it wasn't like I sat there
with a pen and wrote down all these experiences that
I want to have like a bucket list of items.
This were experiences that were so unique and so beautiful
that there was something far greater than what I could
imagine at the level of my mind and who I'm
nos Maako. There was something that gave me a taste
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of life that was so much greater. And so I
called that the soul path because I experienced it as
if at some level, my soul decided to have these
experiences and it was up to the human me whether
or not I was willing to go through with it.
For me to go through with it, it looked like,
you know, selling everything around going to Mexico. It also
looked like a nine month period of silence, which was
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a big devotional chapter of my life where I spent
a lot of time time in silence, and during that time,
I got to experience a lot of sacred sites according
to indigenous cultures that are still very much alive, different
rights of passage, initiations and ceremonies which were beautiful things
that allowed me to appreciate life at a deeper level.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well, you know, it's interesting how as you go to
these different ceremonies with different cultures and depending on what
the focus is. But I I just came from a
funeral a couple of days ago, and I'm in Thailand,
and I've never been to a Buddhist, you know, a
Buddhist one, and I was just so touched and amazed
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at the focus on that individual that had passed away.
And of course they had their own beliefs about all
of that, but what really hit me was the fact
that they are just really focused on that individual, on
the chanting and the desires and prayers for him and
for those that knew him, the family and so forth.
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And you know, I find that it's just really inspiring
to go to different cultures and to experience different things
and obviously you've done that in many different ways I know,
and yet you know, I think that's really cool that
you've been able to do that. And you know, one
of the things that you talk about is a sacred pause.
And as you talk about your life now, you know,
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you walked away from everything which is extraordinarily brief, and
yet you've reached a point in your life where have
you reached that sacred pause? Have you reached that point
time where you're really experiencing what you want to experience
in life?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah? Absolutely, I'd say as time goes on, it's like
I'm watching the flower of my life bloom in a
way that my life gets filled more and more with
the beauty of that flower. So what I mean by
that is like where I'm at right now, I'm completely
satisfied with not satisfied, but like I'm completely in touch
with life. Right. I feel that aliveness, that inspiration of
the red hot coals that I referred to before, and
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I stay equally excited for what I see in the
future in terms of where my inspirations lead me. Right, So,
last year, the inspiration was to write the book. During
the writing of that book, I felt all the inspiration
of life that I could feel I'm not done with that,
And now I'm in the stage of, you know, speaking
about the book, doing some events, and then eventually towards
the back end of this year and in a couple
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of months time as well, leading some retreats. So yeah,
I'd say that at large ninety percent of my life
I'm very much living what I refer to is this
whole part well.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And as you were going to all those different cultures
and going through all those processes, you know, we talk
about personal development, personal transformation. Obviously you experienced a major
transformation in your life. From what you're describing was a
lot of what you were doing really going through what
we would call personal transformation. Question number one, and I've
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done this so many times, I ask multiple questions. So
question number one is were you going through that with
all of these processes you were experiencing. And number two,
I know that you talk about the fact that that
personal transformation can actually get to a point where it
becomes a loop and you can get caught up in
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that rather than achieving ultimately what you're looking to achieve.
Can you address question number one?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What did you do?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
In question number two? About the loop.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, so question number one. Absolutely, it was a consistent
theme of personal transformation. And I'd say it layers, right,
Like we have personal transformation at the level of the mind,
then we have personal transformation as the level of the
heart of the body, and then at the level of
the spirit of the soul. And I feel like each
one of them are valid and each one of them
allows us to experience life in new ways as and actually,
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to give a little more context to that, I'd say
that we're in a constant state of transformation. But what
I mean by that is one of the indigenous language
groups that I got to learn from is called now
what And in Nawah, they don't when you ask them
what color is a leaf, for example, they don't say
green or brown. They'll either say becoming green or becoming brown,
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which speaks to the cyclical nature of life. That we're
in a constant state of movement, like we're never one thing,
We're always in some kind of we're leading towards a
new expression at the same time we're letting go of
an old form of expression. Right, So how that might
manifest for me in my life and how it relates
to me my life is. For example, if I didn't
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allow myself to try, I may have only ever titled
myself with a hat as an author and never allowed
myself to run a retreat, right because now I have
to be a facilitator. It's a different hat that I'm wearing.
And so this think, finally, a tuned to this theme
of transformation, allows me to recognize the different characters that
I get to play in my life. As far as
the trap within self transformation, I absolutely agree that it
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is a big one and one that far too many
people spend time in, and it can look like a
really beautiful thing from the outside on. Like, I still
feel that I have work to do, I still feel
that I can transform, and that's all well and good.
But there's a point where we have a discipline, whether
it's yoga, meditation, you know, the work that I do,
going to pilgrimages and sacred sites where it allows us
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to become the better person. And then there's a point
where within that practice we'll get inspirations to do something else. So, well,
what are the other things that we'll get inspiration for. Well,
we might get the inspiration to write a book, we
might get the inspiration to facilitate some of this work
that we've been doing for some time, might get the inspirations,
have certain conversations with people that we've put off for
too long. We might have inspirations to do many different
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things in life. It's like life starts to assign us homeworks, right,
and we'll oftentimes put the homework on the back burner
to stay with the discipline, and the discipline in that
way becomes like a blinder on our eyes, where it
traps us in this idea that we're doing something good,
but in fact, we're not living anymore. Now, we're just
doing the practice for the sake of the practice, and
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not to engage with life at a deeper level. So
it's like there's this balance of transformation of recognizing that
at each level that I've every time I've gone to
a ceremony or one of these experiences or a write
a passage, there's been very clear tasks that I knew
that I had to take care of, and had I
not taken care of them, then I wouldn't have advanced
myself as an individual.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Well, and you know it's interesting. I tell my kids
a lot my children that you know, life is an
adventure and you know, talking about this and I've done
this a lot when I've worked with clients that you know,
there comes a point time where here's your goal, here's
what you want to achieve. But once you've achieved it,
what are you going to do? And many people get
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stuck in that you know they've achieved it, and all
of a sudden they get stuck rather than realizing that
there are always adventures available to them. And and you know,
for you, you know you're you're living this life now
of you know of a quiet type of still moment
in your life, and yet you're still listening to that inspiration,
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to that spirit that says, all right, you know you're
writing your book, you've written your book, here's something else
you can do now. And I think that's so important
for people to understand that life is not stagnant. It
needs to be something that we can listen to our heart,
listen to our soul and be able to realize that,
you know what, once we finished once adventure, we have
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another adventure to experience and that's how life is forever.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I completely agree. It speaks to that old saying
of you're ripe and writing sorry you're either green and
growing or you're ripe and writing. And no matter what
age we are and what stage of life we are,
there's always a new chapter that we can turn the
page on, and, like you said, a fresh adventure and
a new taste of life. And what I found for
me to be really valuable that is perhaps lacking a
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little bit of modern day society is that we get
so caught up in who we are in terms of
the title that we have at work, in terms of
the way that our family knows us, or you know,
the value that we have based on our material possessions
or the money in our bank account. And that's all
well and good. Those are parts of life's experience, but
there's so much more beyond that, And if we get
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too caught up in who we are just based on
those titles, then we might miss out in all the
magic of what life has for us. So I'm very
big on giving people that invitation the adventure, And many
times I tell people, Hey, if you're ever close by it,
or if I'm ever close by to where you are,
I'm hanging around a fire with me for a night,
and let's hang out under the stars. Let's have a
beautiful night around the fire and book about life, the
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kind of conversations.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
That I rarely had well, and you know, you talk
about you, you know you take people. Are you working
right now? Do you do you actually have a daytime job?
Because most of the people that are listening are not
able to get to a point where they're just experiencing
life and peace and so forth, because they're still trying
to make a living, they still have a family, all
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of those types of things.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I haven't got a daytime job. So this is all
I do. I promote my work. I have some products
that I sell and can see on the back shelf over there,
and I promote my book, and I promote my retreats.
I made a commitment to live a life that's inspiring
to me, regardless of how humble I had to be
during the process. So in my book I speak about
one of the chapters was actually me busking through some
of the Mexico's most dangerous streets with nothing but a
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somberro and a flute. And I lived like that for
about three or four months, and it was probably three
or four of the most memorable months of my life
that allowed me to refine how well I play the flute,
allowed me to on Spanish, allowed me to see many
parts of Mexico that most people will never see, and
allowed me to start a business at the time because
I started to learn about some really beautiful plant like
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power plants that they have over there that they use
as like daily medicines, as like homeopathic remedies, and so
I started to learn about these things and then eventually
made products out of them, them blessed enough to sell
all over the world today. So it's been a journey
of me just following one step to the next, but
also being humble about my situation. So there was a
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time when I, like during that time with the flut,
I didn't know if I'd have a roof over my
head for many nights in a row. But somehow life
kept taking care of me. Someone would offer me something,
or I'd make a little bit more on the streets
when I was busking, and like someone would give me
a more generous contribution. Something would always open up. And
I feel that's the dance with faith that we take on.
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If we want to live a life of inspiration, we're
going to be tested against our comforts. Right, It's a
lot more comfortable to know, Hey, I've got my job
and I get my paycheck X amount every week every
month and have that security. But as that's saying goes,
life is outside the comfort zone. The magic of life
is outside the comfort zone. Right. Well, I was willing
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to d outside of the comfort zone, I'd say for
a much more extended period of time than some people
allow themselves to. I don't consider myself special. I just
wanted to be a message of full the possibility of that.
Bells of pops on me writing the book.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well, and you're blessed to be able to do that.
But one of the things that comes to my mind
is so often people get so caught up and you
kind of referred to it, and we can talk about
ego or whatever you want to call it, that they're
so caught up in their work and maybe maybe importantly
so because they're trying to support their family, pay for
a nice home, you know, with their kids and so forth.
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If that's the case, and that becomes their life, and
it's fascinating to me that we can get so stuck
in that and not realize that. You know, there's this
whole concept of black and white either or and I
always go by the concept of both and and I
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think that that's so important. I remember I was working
with one client in his business years ago, and when
I really sat down with him and said, all right,
what are your goals here? His real goal was to
spend more time with his family, with his wife, with
his children. And it's like, okay, So we worked on
the business, but with the whole point of giving him
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more time, and ultimately he started making much more money
in his business, and he now had time to be
with his family, with his children. And I think so
often we get so caught up in just one sided
focus rather than recognizing that, you know, yes, we have
to support ourselves, we have to support our families, whatever
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that is, But there are so many other things that
we can do. For instance, you talk about going out
and sitting by the fire and just appreciating nature and
experiencing that. You talk about meditation, and you know, the
piece that can come from that if you're doing it
well and consistently, is just amazing. So how do you
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in your book? Do you talk about that a bit
about how to how to become a both and minded
person rather than an either or.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, I do speak about it but not as a
preacher teach a mentoral guide. Rather I speak about it
just through my direct experience. So the types of the
book wasn't for me to be a preacher in anyway.
It was rather you're writing Shotgun with me, like you're
sitting in the passenger seat of twenty two of some
of the wildest stories that I lived, and along the way,
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I have excess for my general So this is general
notes throughout of my experiences, my transformations, and some other
things that I learned. So there's a lot of takeaways
in there as well. But I feel what you're speaking
to there is really valuable on on ego. For me,
the ego is kind of like this thing that generally
gets bustardized. But there's good aspects and there's bad aspects
to ego, or more than good and bad, i'd say
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useful and not so useful. The useful aspects of the
ego are the ones that tell me who I am.
So if I didn't have an ego, I wouldn't understand
myself as being Marco or anything like that. And you
hear some stories where there's like ascended teachers that have
walked on this earth, who have been in such an
elevator to say that they didn't have a sense of ego,
that they walk around in an underwear through cities and
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stuff like this, because they didn't have a sense of hey,
like it's appropriate to put clothes on when I got
and they were just living in a completely different world.
So there's that aspect of Vigo. It's really valuable. That
helps me to understand, well, what are the commitments that
I made, What are the promises that I made to
my family, to my friends, to my work and all
these things, right, And then there's the not so useful
parts of ego, which is the parts of us that
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keep us dominant and safe, right, And those are the
paths that in Hebrew growth. So what you're speaking to
there about the example of the man who wanted to
grow his business and spend time with this family. The
life that gives us both is always going to require
a little more growth from us, but it's always going
to give us the greatest leverage and inspiration. That's the
way I've experienced the time and time again. So it's
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not a question of can I have one or the other?
It's how can I have both? And I feel like
That's one of the questions that many people never ask
themselves to begin with. They say, oh, I can't because
of and it's easy to justify that like anyone, and
in fact, most people do exactly that. But to sit
and actually open my mind and say, how can I
create a life where I can have both of these, Well,
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that's a beautiful dance to play with my imagination. And
the moment I start asking that question and leaning into it,
the moment this life starts to speak back to me.
I might come across a teacher, someone like you that
could help me out with growing my business, or something
else might open up for me.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah. And you know, we talk about and I love
the word you were talking about becoming. In your example
with the leafs, they are becoming green or they're becoming brown,
and you know, we are becoming And I think that's
so important for people to realize, is that part of
what we're trying to accomplish here in the earth is
to become the best version of who we actually are.
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And you know, as you talk about the sole path
and people really starting to discover their true path, what
are some of the modalities of that? And there are
different modalities and based on your personal experience, for you,
what are some of the advantages in different events and
disadvantages of the different modalities that exist in helping someone
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to really discover their purpose and their soul path.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Excuse me, great question. I'd say that those words that
ever so true is that all poths lead to home
and so modalities for me are nothing more than a
system or a framework that allows me to understand a pathway. Right,
and there's different pathways for different people, and they're all
valid to the degree that they don't become a framework
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that I live by. So what do I mean by that?
I mean that if I sit and meditate for twenty
minutes a day and it makes me a better human
because I'm more relaxed and more centered, I'm able to
be more present with you, with my family, with everything
that I do, then it's done the job. If I
can't live my day unless I've done my twenty minute meditation,
now it's controlling me and I'm no longer steering the wheel.
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I am a slave to it rather than it being
something that uplifts me. And I'd say that's a fine
line that we all have to look at because we
fall in love with the things that support us. Right,
so if I get profound transformation through spending time around
the fire, and then I might become the person that
securing is from the top of the mountains that everyone
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should do that. But it's not everyone's path. Someone's path
might just be the right there own book and they
may be the most transformational process for them. Right, So,
each one has their own path and they're all valid
to the degree that they don't become a thing that
we are enslaved by. As far as my journey and
the things that have helped me out the most, I'd
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say at scale, it's been time around the fire. And
the reason why is because when I look at all
the traditions from all around the world, spiritual and religious traditions,
they they all work with the fire in some way,
whether it's a candle in the church. I was raised
raised in the Serbian Orthodox background, right, so growing up,
Mom and Dad took me to church and I learned
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about the importance of light, lighting a candle for all
of those that are living, and lighting a candle for
all of those that have passed on. And I could
see the way that the priests would work with the
candles and all of that. So there's an element of
fire there. There's also an element of fire through the
smoke where they'll burn the incense. And then when I
look at indigenous traditions, whether it's the Buddhas, whether it's
the in Africa and the Aborigines in Australia, the Native
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Americans from the north, central or south, and all the
way through Europe, the way that my ancestors wants them.
Before they were Christians, they were Pagans, and the Pagans
all honored the element. It's the fire, the water, the air,
the earth. And so this theme of fire for me
has been something that's been very alive for me in
my life. And I'd say why is because as time
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has gone on, I've come to appreciate that fire is
the only element that can't be made dirty. So when
you look at the waters of today, a lot about
waters has been ruined. It's got chemicals in it and
all these kind of things. The air is polluted, the
earth is polluted. You put something into a fire, it
cleans it right up, it purreface right so you can't
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you can't make a fire dirty. And so I love
that element that it keeps something so pristine and pure
and clear, and it offers me that's any level of
purity in my life that I get to experience that
I can't say that I've consistently found elsewhere. So I've
enjoyed it because of that, and also because the fire,
to me, is almost like the script of life. If
I only go back a few generations. In almost all
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around the world, this is what I have been spending time
around the fire, commuting around fire. It's only the last
few generations that we've started to steal away from that.
And so there's something ancestral that you know, memory that
speaks to our being that you kind of even quite
put into woods. But everyone feels the when they're around
the fire.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well, and that's interesting you say that, you know, as
I said, I was at this funeral, and you know,
I don't speak Tie, so I'm trying to get some
of my questions answered. And what I found fascinating is
they cremate here for the most part, here in Thailand.
They don't vary, and I think a lot of it
has to do with the space. But also I think
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I found out that they really have a belief in Buddhism,
that cremation creates a you know, it's done by fire,
and that tends to free the soul and you know,
burn and burn the negativity of the body and so
forth and free the soul. And as I thought about that,
what comes to my mind is that I really believe,
(25:58):
as you know, with a Christian background, and also that
there is a fire that exists within each of us
and it's that light. And you know, you talk about wisdom,
elemental wisdom, you know, and I think something that comes
to my mind is where did that wisdom come for you?
I know that in my own life, I've experienced times
(26:20):
where it's like, Okay, this is the path that you're
going to take, and sometimes it's just been way off
the wall. It's like really, but okay, I'm going to
do that. And I think people sometimes struggle with understanding
the trust that they can put in that wisdom, in
that inspiration that comes to them, that may actually come
(26:43):
from them, and they don't realize it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, it's an interesting conversation, and I'd say that you're
speaking to something very primal that is easily dismissed in
the modern day because with so ties to technology, to
what we read what we see on the phone, and
like if I don't, it's not material, how do I
justify it. That's typically what's going on in people's unconscious wiring.
But our ancest has never lived like that. There's stories where,
(27:08):
for example, the bushmen of the Kala Haari Desert when
researchers went out to understand their ways of life, the
bush men were confused and sad and by the fact
that the researchers couldn't hear the echoes and the songs
of the stars.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I think about that as a concept for us that
seems like a fairy tale, but that's how they live
their lives. And so to me, that was just one
demonstration of like how far we've distanced ourselves from the
primal forces of life. And to bring it to what
you were speaking to of, you know, like getting this
sense of inspiration or something like this. It's happened to
(27:43):
me many times. I mean, that whole decision to sell
everything happened with a flash of light. It was like
a lightning bolt struck me in my heart with the
resounding truth that said you're complete here in Australia. And
even though I didn't know rationally or logically what my
next step was. I felt that in me and I
knew it was a life And shortly after that, within
twenty four hours, I got a message inviting me to
(28:05):
go to Mexico. It was very spontaneous and unexpected. So
I feel like the elemental forces are always speaking to us.
It's a question of whether or all week you got
sells the space to listen to them well.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And I think one of the challenges I mean, I
think of myself. I experienced the same thing a little
bit later on my life than you did, but I
experienced the same thing. I was actually in Cardagenia and
going through a meditation week program with Joe card with
you anyway, And what fascinated me is somewhere along that line,
(28:37):
that inspiration, that sense was, you know what, it's time
to experience Asia, and it specifically became Thailand. And I
had spent some time in Vietnam, and so I appreciated
the culture to some degree, and I just made the decision,
you know, I'm going to do that, and all of
a sudden, three years later, I'm here, and I'm you know,
(29:01):
pretty much here full time. And what's fascinating to me
is that as we as we start to seek that.
So many people really struggle with outside influences. I mean,
you know, my kids struggle with the fact that I'm
not there with them and with the grandkids, and I
struggle with that too. But the reality is so many
(29:23):
times that as you're surrounded by friends, by family, and
you gain this inspiration that all right, this is this
is kind of a path I want to follow. Oftentimes
that path is so different than what other people would
perceive for you. And as you say, you know, we
can either be at the effect of others and so forth,
(29:46):
or we can be in control of our own personal lives.
So how do you suggest people when they're starting to
experience that sense of all right, here's my path, how
do they overcome the influences that are saying no, no, no,
and gain the strength and the courage to be able
to follow that path? And he even talked about the
(30:07):
setbacks as they're doing that and the challenges that come up.
How are they able to overcome that? In your opinion,
and how would you advise them to move forward on
those paths?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, it's a great question. The way I've dealt with
it in my life is I'd say fairly unique to
what most people do, and that is I remained silent
until I've manifested enough of the new reality that it's undeniable.
So what I mean by that is when I decided
to make that move and sell everything off, I didn't
really advertise it to anyone. I told my dad about it,
and I told my partner because we were going to
(30:40):
go separate ways, and that was it. I didn't tell
anyone else until the property was pretty much bought and
everything else was sold, And in fact, most people didn't
know until I was already in Mexico. Right. Well, what
it looked like when I was writing my book was
I've seen a lot of authors get stuck, and they'll
tell people that they're going to write a book. People
will get excited for it, they get the emotional and
(31:01):
orphin hit, and then they never end up writing because
it's like they got the reward before they did the work, right,
So then they'll just speak about how they're writing a
book for many years instead of actually writing it. For me,
I'd written out all the chapters, and I'd done about
twenty to thirty revisions of the book before I started
to promote it, and so I already had a lot
of momentum in that way that I didn't have the
(31:21):
influence of others. So for me, I've always felt an
importance to really guard it and guard it with silence.
When I have a flame of inspiration, I wait until
it starts to reveal itself and until I can see
it really really clear for myself, and then I'll start
to speak to other people about it, because even if
people that are close to me, it doesn't matter, like
they're all going to have an opinion, and that's felt.
(31:44):
Even if they don't express it with words, they're expressing
it somehow, and it's an energy, it's felt. There's this
term call quantum entanglement right where we can get caught
up and entangled through the energies of others. So that's
a real thing. It exists, and I do my best
to guard it until it's real enough that it's undeniable,
and that will be my best encouragement for most people.
(32:05):
I say, most people are too loud, too soon, and
they don't put the energy where it needs to be put,
which is actually moving the needle or the manifestation of
whatever they're working.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Well, And you know it's It's interesting that the concept
that comes up to me and the wording that comes
up to me is keep your own counsel. And I
think that becomes so important that you keep your own counsel.
And I love how as you talk about the fact
that all right, I'm ready to go, I'm manifesting this
and so forth. You know, you went to different places
(32:37):
and you learn different things, and I think it's important
for all of us to recognize that we can, through
that curiosity, reach out and find people who we can trust,
that can help us along that path. We can't we
just don't do it on our own, because as you say,
you went to so many different retreats, so many different cultures,
(32:59):
and that I'm sure that as you did that, each
time you came back with some greater inspiration, greater understanding
for you what your path was. And I think it's
important for people to understand that. So how do they
how did they reach that balance of keeping their own
counsel and yet at some point in time reaching out
(33:22):
to someone that they truly trust that can be kind
of a mentor or if they're going, you know, on
the retreats and so forth, where they can determine which
retreats are going to be the greatest benefit to them.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I'd say there's a couple couple of pieces. For me.
One is that keeping your own counsel has an undertone
of knowing oneself. Right if I'm if I'm not aware
of me at a deeper level, then I'm not going
to do the best job of keeping counsel to myself.
So for me, that comes through self assessment and whether
it's through whatever introspective practice people decide to take on generally, meditating,
(33:58):
whatever it may be. And what I specifically pay attention
to is the integrity. And when I mentioned integrity, I'm
talking about when my feelings, thoughts, words, and actions align,
Because if those pieces aren't aligning, then I don't know
myself that well. If I'm saying one thing but doing another,
then there's still pieces there for me to integrate. That's fine,
It's part of the part of the journey, and we
can do that for our whole lives at every final level.
(34:22):
So that's the first one. In order to keep my counsel,
I'll make sure that I actually have a solid track
record of knowing myself and living with a degree of
integrity as far as reaching out to other people, I'd
say that it's contextual. Who I'll reach out to will
support depending on how they live their lives. And I
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look at what they demonstrate more than what they say.
And so if I need someone for spiritual advice, I'll
look to people that are further down the spiritual path
than I am, and I won't take what they say
for as if it's the be all and end all.
I'll still assess whether or not it's really into me
in my life, and I'll ask myself a question of
where are they speaking from, right, because sometimes people will
(35:05):
give us feedback, even if that further than the path
in us, but they'll give us feedback from a place
of docness within themselves, the docness that they haven't integrated
in their lives yet. And so that's not going to
be very useful because it's going to create the same
common for me right well.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
And I love the fact that it's like, you know,
you watch their lives now what they say. In fact,
I love this saying what you are thunder so loud
in my ears, I cannot hear what you say, and
you know, in some cases that's more of a negative approach,
but I think you can reverse that become a positive
statement that you know what, I will observe who you
(35:41):
are and I don't care what you say, because there's
so many people that say, oh, this person's that and
so forth. But when you get to know them, you
realize that they are truly a loving, kind, honest, full
and integrity individual and that they just have people out
there that are either jealous or just bullying or whatever
and trying to put them down. So I think being
able to identify people based on who they are, and
(36:05):
as you watch who they are, it helps you to
understand that these are the people that can be of
value to you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah. Absolutely well.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
So as we come to a close, Mircael, what would
be a message that you'd like to share with your
out it's kind of a final message.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah. A beautiful metaphor that I love is that there's
this train that passes by for all of us, and
sadly most people never take the step to get on
the train, and that train is that path, that sole path,
that through path that we're speaking about before. So my
invitation to people is to step on the train and
go for a ride, because they can always get off
at the next station and come back to what they've
(36:45):
been leaving. But what they won't get is the time
that they spent not thinking about it. The universe doesn't
work in terms of any time other than right here,
right now, So when we sit there waiting for the
right time, it's actually never going to arrive. There are
more opportune times the mong we decide that's the right time,
and so give yourself the right time right now and
go after whatever your greatest inspiration is. Life is way
(37:07):
too short to put those things on the back burner.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, okay, that's great. So how do people find you?
What's your website?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah? My website is Solepath dot io. And if people
want to connect with what I'm up to and stay
in touch with updates, Instagram is the best place. And
my handle is meat Marker muble Et m a Ko.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Okay, and that's on Instagram. Great, ye. And how do
people find your book?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
My book that they can get it through my biolink
in my Instagram or they can just search my name.
The name of the book is sole Path on Amazon.
It's available on Amazon as well.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Okay, So on Amazon. That's that's always the easiest way.
Is it mainly a book or can you do it
for kindle or audio or how has it been set
up so far? I know it's early in the pathways.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So yeah, of course the audiobook isn't that yet. That's
a project for this year. But the kindle version and
the physical copies are available.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Oh great, well, Marco, thank you. This has been a
great discussion and I really appreciate it. You know, the
ideas and the philosophy that you've shared I think is
so important for people to understand that reaching that sense
of peace in your life and being able to realize that, yeah,
life still happens, but being able to mentally, emotionally, spiritually
(38:23):
recognize that, you know what, I am reaching that sense
of peace I think is so important and that's obviously
what you're teaching.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I a great thank you so much, doctor Doug. It's
been great. Thank you for the work that you're doing
and putting messages like this out there. And I want
to say thank you to the listeners as well for
training in well.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I appreciate it, and folks, hey, thanks for listening. I
hope this has beant something for you, and get to
the website, get to the book. Some great insights there Anyway,
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Speaker 4 (00:52):
Marco, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thanks for having me, doctor Doc. It's great to be you.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So I'm looking at your name. I'm here and it's
a little bit different than what I just called you.
Can you explain that?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, that would be because I did a call with
my brother Earliott today. His name is Roslov. I should
be reading fine, Now there we.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Go, There we go. Okay, I was just wondering if
we had Doogal personalities here.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Make sure.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Anyway, you have a very interesting journey and we have
a very interesting topic to talk about today. Would you
share with the audience number one, where you're at right
now and then also your journey what brought you to
this point of writing your book and doing all of
the retreats that you're doing and that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, absolutely so. Right now, I'm calling from Serbia in Europe.
This is home country fuel where I was born, but
where I spent very little time in my life. I
was raised in Australia, papit of Ues, so that's where
the accent's from. And then the last five or six
years I spent living a very nomadic experience of life. Actually,
I was right during the time of the pandemic that
(02:04):
I came to terms with the fact that I was
living a life that wasn't deeply inspiring to me, even
though I was giving everything of myself to that life
and it was a beautiful life, but I didn't feel
inspired on the inside. And that was right at the
age of twenty nine, I was looking down the barrel
of my thirtieth birthday and I said to myself that
if this is what life is moving forward, I'm not
(02:25):
that interested. I want a life that's deeply inspiring, that
burns red hot, like when you see a beautiful fire
crackling away and you see those red hot coals. That's
the kind of inspiration I wanted to feel. And so
I made a fairly unique decision where I sold everything
that I owned, including a forty acre property. I parted
ways with my partner at the time, and I booked
(02:45):
a one way ticket into the unknown, which was two
Mexico for me.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So I booked the one way ticket with nothing more
than one suitcase and one guitar on the other hand,
and I went to Mexico only knowing one person over there,
not speaking the language, not really having a plan, but
having a sense of inspiration that I was being called there.
And so that was about five years ago now, and
since then it's been a life of really crafting out
(03:09):
and chiseling out a life that is inspiring. And I
feel very blessed and grateful to say that today I
do get to live a life that is deeply inspiring
to me. Every single day I have conversations that are
deeply exciting to me, and I do work there I
feel as a service and a value to humanity at
a large scale beyond myself.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So and when did you write your book and what
motivated you? And obviously let the audience know what the
name of your book is.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, of course, So the name of the book is
Soul Path, and I spent all the last year writing it.
So I spent nine months writing the book. I did
about seventy revisions during that time. I was manic about
that piece of work, that book being one of the
masterpieces of my life. So I really wanted to give
it everything that I could. And during the right writing process,
(03:54):
I had a lot of people give me feedback. They're like, oh,
you've done enough revisions, just put it out there. But
it didn't feel complete me in my heart as the
work of art that I wanted it to be. So
I kept working away on it for about nine months
and then spent a few months launching it towards the
back end of last year. As far as what the
book entails is, it's just twenty two short stories of
my journeys through Mexico and other lands that was largely
(04:19):
around following what I referred to as the soul path,
and the sole path for me is nothing more than
that life of highest inspiration, and some people can call
it the universal Plan, God's Plan, the most aligned path.
For me, I just called it the soul path because
during my time in Mexico over the last five years,
I started having encounters with life and experiences that felt
(04:41):
like I was living a movie script that I wasn't
even aware of. So it wasn't like I sat there
with a pen and wrote down all these experiences that
I want to have like a bucket list of items.
This were experiences that were so unique and so beautiful
that there was something far greater than what I could
imagine at the level of my mind and who I'm
nos Maako. There was something that gave me a taste
(05:02):
of life that was so much greater. And so I
called that the soul path because I experienced it as
if at some level, my soul decided to have these
experiences and it was up to the human me whether
or not I was willing to go through with it.
For me to go through with it, it looked like,
you know, selling everything around going to Mexico. It also
looked like a nine month period of silence, which was
(05:23):
a big devotional chapter of my life where I spent
a lot of time time in silence, and during that time,
I got to experience a lot of sacred sites according
to indigenous cultures that are still very much alive, different
rights of passage, initiations and ceremonies which were beautiful things
that allowed me to appreciate life at a deeper level.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well, you know, it's interesting how as you go to
these different ceremonies with different cultures and depending on what
the focus is. But I I just came from a
funeral a couple of days ago, and I'm in Thailand,
and I've never been to a Buddhist, you know, a
Buddhist one, and I was just so touched and amazed
(06:05):
at the focus on that individual that had passed away.
And of course they had their own beliefs about all
of that, but what really hit me was the fact
that they are just really focused on that individual, on
the chanting and the desires and prayers for him and
for those that knew him, the family and so forth.
(06:25):
And you know, I find that it's just really inspiring
to go to different cultures and to experience different things
and obviously you've done that in many different ways I know,
and yet you know, I think that's really cool that
you've been able to do that. And you know, one
of the things that you talk about is a sacred pause.
And as you talk about your life now, you know,
(06:47):
you walked away from everything which is extraordinarily brief, and
yet you've reached a point in your life where have
you reached that sacred pause? Have you reached that point
time where you're really experiencing what you want to experience
in life?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah? Absolutely, I'd say as time goes on, it's like
I'm watching the flower of my life bloom in a
way that my life gets filled more and more with
the beauty of that flower. So what I mean by
that is like where I'm at right now, I'm completely
satisfied with not satisfied, but like I'm completely in touch
with life. Right. I feel that aliveness, that inspiration of
the red hot coals that I referred to before, and
(07:27):
I stay equally excited for what I see in the
future in terms of where my inspirations lead me. Right, So,
last year, the inspiration was to write the book. During
the writing of that book, I felt all the inspiration
of life that I could feel I'm not done with that,
And now I'm in the stage of, you know, speaking
about the book, doing some events, and then eventually towards
the back end of this year and in a couple
(07:49):
of months time as well, leading some retreats. So yeah,
I'd say that at large ninety percent of my life
I'm very much living what I refer to is this
whole part well.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And as you were going to all those different cultures
and going through all those processes, you know, we talk
about personal development, personal transformation. Obviously you experienced a major
transformation in your life. From what you're describing was a
lot of what you were doing really going through what
we would call personal transformation. Question number one, and I've
(08:23):
done this so many times, I ask multiple questions. So
question number one is were you going through that with
all of these processes you were experiencing. And number two,
I know that you talk about the fact that that
personal transformation can actually get to a point where it
becomes a loop and you can get caught up in
(08:44):
that rather than achieving ultimately what you're looking to achieve.
Can you address question number one?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What did you do?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
In question number two? About the loop.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, so question number one. Absolutely, it was a consistent
theme of personal transformation. And I'd say it layers, right,
Like we have personal transformation at the level of the mind,
then we have personal transformation as the level of the
heart of the body, and then at the level of
the spirit of the soul. And I feel like each
one of them are valid and each one of them
allows us to experience life in new ways as and actually,
(09:17):
to give a little more context to that, I'd say
that we're in a constant state of transformation. But what
I mean by that is one of the indigenous language
groups that I got to learn from is called now
what And in Nawah, they don't when you ask them
what color is a leaf, for example, they don't say
green or brown. They'll either say becoming green or becoming brown,
(09:37):
which speaks to the cyclical nature of life. That we're
in a constant state of movement, like we're never one thing,
We're always in some kind of we're leading towards a
new expression at the same time we're letting go of
an old form of expression. Right, So how that might
manifest for me in my life and how it relates
to me my life is. For example, if I didn't
(09:59):
allow myself to try, I may have only ever titled
myself with a hat as an author and never allowed
myself to run a retreat, right because now I have
to be a facilitator. It's a different hat that I'm wearing.
And so this think, finally, a tuned to this theme
of transformation, allows me to recognize the different characters that
I get to play in my life. As far as
the trap within self transformation, I absolutely agree that it
(10:21):
is a big one and one that far too many
people spend time in, and it can look like a
really beautiful thing from the outside on. Like, I still
feel that I have work to do, I still feel
that I can transform, and that's all well and good.
But there's a point where we have a discipline, whether
it's yoga, meditation, you know, the work that I do,
going to pilgrimages and sacred sites where it allows us
(10:43):
to become the better person. And then there's a point
where within that practice we'll get inspirations to do something else. So, well,
what are the other things that we'll get inspiration for. Well,
we might get the inspiration to write a book, we
might get the inspiration to facilitate some of this work
that we've been doing for some time, might get the inspirations,
have certain conversations with people that we've put off for
too long. We might have inspirations to do many different
(11:06):
things in life. It's like life starts to assign us homeworks, right,
and we'll oftentimes put the homework on the back burner
to stay with the discipline, and the discipline in that
way becomes like a blinder on our eyes, where it
traps us in this idea that we're doing something good,
but in fact, we're not living anymore. Now, we're just
doing the practice for the sake of the practice, and
(11:27):
not to engage with life at a deeper level. So
it's like there's this balance of transformation of recognizing that
at each level that I've every time I've gone to
a ceremony or one of these experiences or a write
a passage, there's been very clear tasks that I knew
that I had to take care of, and had I
not taken care of them, then I wouldn't have advanced
myself as an individual.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Well, and you know it's interesting. I tell my kids
a lot my children that you know, life is an
adventure and you know, talking about this and I've done
this a lot when I've worked with clients that you know,
there comes a point time where here's your goal, here's
what you want to achieve. But once you've achieved it,
what are you going to do? And many people get
(12:07):
stuck in that you know they've achieved it, and all
of a sudden they get stuck rather than realizing that
there are always adventures available to them. And and you know,
for you, you know you're you're living this life now
of you know of a quiet type of still moment
in your life, and yet you're still listening to that inspiration,
(12:30):
to that spirit that says, all right, you know you're
writing your book, you've written your book, here's something else
you can do now. And I think that's so important
for people to understand that life is not stagnant. It
needs to be something that we can listen to our heart,
listen to our soul and be able to realize that,
you know what, once we finished once adventure, we have
(12:52):
another adventure to experience and that's how life is forever.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I completely agree. It speaks to that old saying
of you're ripe and writing sorry you're either green and
growing or you're ripe and writing. And no matter what
age we are and what stage of life we are,
there's always a new chapter that we can turn the
page on, and, like you said, a fresh adventure and
a new taste of life. And what I found for
me to be really valuable that is perhaps lacking a
(13:18):
little bit of modern day society is that we get
so caught up in who we are in terms of
the title that we have at work, in terms of
the way that our family knows us, or you know,
the value that we have based on our material possessions
or the money in our bank account. And that's all
well and good. Those are parts of life's experience, but
there's so much more beyond that, And if we get
(13:39):
too caught up in who we are just based on
those titles, then we might miss out in all the
magic of what life has for us. So I'm very
big on giving people that invitation the adventure, And many
times I tell people, Hey, if you're ever close by it,
or if I'm ever close by to where you are,
I'm hanging around a fire with me for a night,
and let's hang out under the stars. Let's have a
beautiful night around the fire and book about life, the
(14:01):
kind of conversations.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
That I rarely had well, and you know, you talk
about you, you know you take people. Are you working
right now? Do you do you actually have a daytime job?
Because most of the people that are listening are not
able to get to a point where they're just experiencing
life and peace and so forth, because they're still trying
to make a living, they still have a family, all
(14:23):
of those types of things.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I haven't got a daytime job. So this is all
I do. I promote my work. I have some products
that I sell and can see on the back shelf over there,
and I promote my book, and I promote my retreats.
I made a commitment to live a life that's inspiring
to me, regardless of how humble I had to be
during the process. So in my book I speak about
one of the chapters was actually me busking through some
of the Mexico's most dangerous streets with nothing but a
(14:48):
somberro and a flute. And I lived like that for
about three or four months, and it was probably three
or four of the most memorable months of my life
that allowed me to refine how well I play the flute,
allowed me to on Spanish, allowed me to see many
parts of Mexico that most people will never see, and
allowed me to start a business at the time because
I started to learn about some really beautiful plant like
(15:10):
power plants that they have over there that they use
as like daily medicines, as like homeopathic remedies, and so
I started to learn about these things and then eventually
made products out of them, them blessed enough to sell
all over the world today. So it's been a journey
of me just following one step to the next, but
also being humble about my situation. So there was a
(15:30):
time when I, like during that time with the flut,
I didn't know if I'd have a roof over my
head for many nights in a row. But somehow life
kept taking care of me. Someone would offer me something,
or I'd make a little bit more on the streets
when I was busking, and like someone would give me
a more generous contribution. Something would always open up. And
I feel that's the dance with faith that we take on.
(15:52):
If we want to live a life of inspiration, we're
going to be tested against our comforts. Right, It's a
lot more comfortable to know, Hey, I've got my job
and I get my paycheck X amount every week every
month and have that security. But as that's saying goes,
life is outside the comfort zone. The magic of life
is outside the comfort zone. Right. Well, I was willing
(16:13):
to d outside of the comfort zone, I'd say for
a much more extended period of time than some people
allow themselves to. I don't consider myself special. I just
wanted to be a message of full the possibility of that.
Bells of pops on me writing the book.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well, and you're blessed to be able to do that.
But one of the things that comes to my mind
is so often people get so caught up and you
kind of referred to it, and we can talk about
ego or whatever you want to call it, that they're
so caught up in their work and maybe maybe importantly
so because they're trying to support their family, pay for
a nice home, you know, with their kids and so forth.
(16:47):
If that's the case, and that becomes their life, and
it's fascinating to me that we can get so stuck
in that and not realize that. You know, there's this
whole concept of black and white either or and I
always go by the concept of both and and I
(17:08):
think that that's so important. I remember I was working
with one client in his business years ago, and when
I really sat down with him and said, all right,
what are your goals here? His real goal was to
spend more time with his family, with his wife, with
his children. And it's like, okay, So we worked on
the business, but with the whole point of giving him
(17:31):
more time, and ultimately he started making much more money
in his business, and he now had time to be
with his family, with his children. And I think so
often we get so caught up in just one sided
focus rather than recognizing that, you know, yes, we have
to support ourselves, we have to support our families, whatever
(17:53):
that is, But there are so many other things that
we can do. For instance, you talk about going out
and sitting by the fire and just appreciating nature and
experiencing that. You talk about meditation, and you know, the
piece that can come from that if you're doing it
well and consistently, is just amazing. So how do you
(18:16):
in your book? Do you talk about that a bit
about how to how to become a both and minded
person rather than an either or.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, I do speak about it but not as a
preacher teach a mentoral guide. Rather I speak about it
just through my direct experience. So the types of the
book wasn't for me to be a preacher in anyway.
It was rather you're writing Shotgun with me, like you're
sitting in the passenger seat of twenty two of some
of the wildest stories that I lived, and along the way,
(18:47):
I have excess for my general So this is general
notes throughout of my experiences, my transformations, and some other
things that I learned. So there's a lot of takeaways
in there as well. But I feel what you're speaking
to there is really valuable on on ego. For me,
the ego is kind of like this thing that generally
gets bustardized. But there's good aspects and there's bad aspects
to ego, or more than good and bad, i'd say
(19:10):
useful and not so useful. The useful aspects of the
ego are the ones that tell me who I am.
So if I didn't have an ego, I wouldn't understand
myself as being Marco or anything like that. And you
hear some stories where there's like ascended teachers that have
walked on this earth, who have been in such an
elevator to say that they didn't have a sense of ego,
that they walk around in an underwear through cities and
(19:31):
stuff like this, because they didn't have a sense of hey,
like it's appropriate to put clothes on when I got
and they were just living in a completely different world.
So there's that aspect of Vigo. It's really valuable. That
helps me to understand, well, what are the commitments that
I made, What are the promises that I made to
my family, to my friends, to my work and all
these things, right, And then there's the not so useful
parts of ego, which is the parts of us that
(19:52):
keep us dominant and safe, right, And those are the
paths that in Hebrew growth. So what you're speaking to
there about the example of the man who wanted to
grow his business and spend time with this family. The
life that gives us both is always going to require
a little more growth from us, but it's always going
to give us the greatest leverage and inspiration. That's the
way I've experienced the time and time again. So it's
(20:13):
not a question of can I have one or the other?
It's how can I have both? And I feel like
That's one of the questions that many people never ask
themselves to begin with. They say, oh, I can't because
of and it's easy to justify that like anyone, and
in fact, most people do exactly that. But to sit
and actually open my mind and say, how can I
create a life where I can have both of these, Well,
(20:33):
that's a beautiful dance to play with my imagination. And
the moment I start asking that question and leaning into it,
the moment this life starts to speak back to me.
I might come across a teacher, someone like you that
could help me out with growing my business, or something
else might open up for me.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah. And you know, we talk about and I love
the word you were talking about becoming. In your example
with the leafs, they are becoming green or they're becoming brown,
and you know, we are becoming And I think that's
so important for people to realize, is that part of
what we're trying to accomplish here in the earth is
to become the best version of who we actually are.
(21:11):
And you know, as you talk about the sole path
and people really starting to discover their true path, what
are some of the modalities of that? And there are
different modalities and based on your personal experience, for you,
what are some of the advantages in different events and
disadvantages of the different modalities that exist in helping someone
(21:36):
to really discover their purpose and their soul path.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Excuse me, great question. I'd say that those words that
ever so true is that all poths lead to home
and so modalities for me are nothing more than a
system or a framework that allows me to understand a pathway. Right,
and there's different pathways for different people, and they're all
valid to the degree that they don't become a framework
(22:02):
that I live by. So what do I mean by that?
I mean that if I sit and meditate for twenty
minutes a day and it makes me a better human
because I'm more relaxed and more centered, I'm able to
be more present with you, with my family, with everything
that I do, then it's done the job. If I
can't live my day unless I've done my twenty minute meditation,
now it's controlling me and I'm no longer steering the wheel.
(22:24):
I am a slave to it rather than it being
something that uplifts me. And I'd say that's a fine
line that we all have to look at because we
fall in love with the things that support us. Right,
so if I get profound transformation through spending time around
the fire, and then I might become the person that
securing is from the top of the mountains that everyone
(22:44):
should do that. But it's not everyone's path. Someone's path
might just be the right there own book and they
may be the most transformational process for them. Right, So,
each one has their own path and they're all valid
to the degree that they don't become a thing that
we are enslaved by. As far as my journey and
the things that have helped me out the most, I'd
(23:04):
say at scale, it's been time around the fire. And
the reason why is because when I look at all
the traditions from all around the world, spiritual and religious traditions,
they they all work with the fire in some way,
whether it's a candle in the church. I was raised
raised in the Serbian Orthodox background, right, so growing up,
Mom and Dad took me to church and I learned
(23:25):
about the importance of light, lighting a candle for all
of those that are living, and lighting a candle for
all of those that have passed on. And I could
see the way that the priests would work with the
candles and all of that. So there's an element of
fire there. There's also an element of fire through the
smoke where they'll burn the incense. And then when I
look at indigenous traditions, whether it's the Buddhas, whether it's
the in Africa and the Aborigines in Australia, the Native
(23:49):
Americans from the north, central or south, and all the
way through Europe, the way that my ancestors wants them.
Before they were Christians, they were Pagans, and the Pagans
all honored the element. It's the fire, the water, the air,
the earth. And so this theme of fire for me
has been something that's been very alive for me in
my life. And I'd say why is because as time
(24:09):
has gone on, I've come to appreciate that fire is
the only element that can't be made dirty. So when
you look at the waters of today, a lot about
waters has been ruined. It's got chemicals in it and
all these kind of things. The air is polluted, the
earth is polluted. You put something into a fire, it
cleans it right up, it purreface right so you can't
(24:33):
you can't make a fire dirty. And so I love
that element that it keeps something so pristine and pure
and clear, and it offers me that's any level of
purity in my life that I get to experience that
I can't say that I've consistently found elsewhere. So I've
enjoyed it because of that, and also because the fire,
to me, is almost like the script of life. If
I only go back a few generations. In almost all
(24:56):
around the world, this is what I have been spending time
around the fire, commuting around fire. It's only the last
few generations that we've started to steal away from that.
And so there's something ancestral that you know, memory that
speaks to our being that you kind of even quite
put into woods. But everyone feels the when they're around
the fire.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well, and that's interesting you say that, you know, as
I said, I was at this funeral, and you know,
I don't speak Tie, so I'm trying to get some
of my questions answered. And what I found fascinating is
they cremate here for the most part, here in Thailand.
They don't vary, and I think a lot of it
has to do with the space. But also I think
(25:35):
I found out that they really have a belief in Buddhism,
that cremation creates a you know, it's done by fire,
and that tends to free the soul and you know,
burn and burn the negativity of the body and so
forth and free the soul. And as I thought about that,
what comes to my mind is that I really believe,
(25:58):
as you know, with a Christian background, and also that
there is a fire that exists within each of us
and it's that light. And you know, you talk about wisdom,
elemental wisdom, you know, and I think something that comes
to my mind is where did that wisdom come for you?
I know that in my own life, I've experienced times
(26:20):
where it's like, Okay, this is the path that you're
going to take, and sometimes it's just been way off
the wall. It's like really, but okay, I'm going to
do that. And I think people sometimes struggle with understanding
the trust that they can put in that wisdom, in
that inspiration that comes to them, that may actually come
(26:43):
from them, and they don't realize it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, it's an interesting conversation, and I'd say that you're
speaking to something very primal that is easily dismissed in
the modern day because with so ties to technology, to
what we read what we see on the phone, and
like if I don't, it's not material, how do I
justify it. That's typically what's going on in people's unconscious wiring.
But our ancest has never lived like that. There's stories where,
(27:08):
for example, the bushmen of the Kala Haari Desert when
researchers went out to understand their ways of life, the
bush men were confused and sad and by the fact
that the researchers couldn't hear the echoes and the songs
of the stars.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I think about that as a concept for us that
seems like a fairy tale, but that's how they live
their lives. And so to me, that was just one
demonstration of like how far we've distanced ourselves from the
primal forces of life. And to bring it to what
you were speaking to of, you know, like getting this
sense of inspiration or something like this. It's happened to
(27:43):
me many times. I mean, that whole decision to sell
everything happened with a flash of light. It was like
a lightning bolt struck me in my heart with the
resounding truth that said you're complete here in Australia. And
even though I didn't know rationally or logically what my
next step was. I felt that in me and I
knew it was a life And shortly after that, within
twenty four hours, I got a message inviting me to
(28:05):
go to Mexico. It was very spontaneous and unexpected. So
I feel like the elemental forces are always speaking to us.
It's a question of whether or all week you got
sells the space to listen to them well.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And I think one of the challenges I mean, I
think of myself. I experienced the same thing a little
bit later on my life than you did, but I
experienced the same thing. I was actually in Cardagenia and
going through a meditation week program with Joe card with
you anyway, And what fascinated me is somewhere along that line,
(28:37):
that inspiration, that sense was, you know what, it's time
to experience Asia, and it specifically became Thailand. And I
had spent some time in Vietnam, and so I appreciated
the culture to some degree, and I just made the decision,
you know, I'm going to do that, and all of
a sudden, three years later, I'm here, and I'm you know,
(29:01):
pretty much here full time. And what's fascinating to me
is that as we as we start to seek that.
So many people really struggle with outside influences. I mean,
you know, my kids struggle with the fact that I'm
not there with them and with the grandkids, and I
struggle with that too. But the reality is so many
(29:23):
times that as you're surrounded by friends, by family, and
you gain this inspiration that all right, this is this
is kind of a path I want to follow. Oftentimes
that path is so different than what other people would
perceive for you. And as you say, you know, we
can either be at the effect of others and so forth,
(29:46):
or we can be in control of our own personal lives.
So how do you suggest people when they're starting to
experience that sense of all right, here's my path, how
do they overcome the influences that are saying no, no, no,
and gain the strength and the courage to be able
to follow that path? And he even talked about the
(30:07):
setbacks as they're doing that and the challenges that come up.
How are they able to overcome that? In your opinion,
and how would you advise them to move forward on
those paths?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, it's a great question. The way I've dealt with
it in my life is I'd say fairly unique to
what most people do, and that is I remained silent
until I've manifested enough of the new reality that it's undeniable.
So what I mean by that is when I decided
to make that move and sell everything off, I didn't
really advertise it to anyone. I told my dad about it,
and I told my partner because we were going to
(30:40):
go separate ways, and that was it. I didn't tell
anyone else until the property was pretty much bought and
everything else was sold, And in fact, most people didn't
know until I was already in Mexico. Right. Well, what
it looked like when I was writing my book was
I've seen a lot of authors get stuck, and they'll
tell people that they're going to write a book. People
will get excited for it, they get the emotional and
(31:01):
orphin hit, and then they never end up writing because
it's like they got the reward before they did the work, right,
So then they'll just speak about how they're writing a
book for many years instead of actually writing it. For me,
I'd written out all the chapters, and I'd done about
twenty to thirty revisions of the book before I started
to promote it, and so I already had a lot
of momentum in that way that I didn't have the
(31:21):
influence of others. So for me, I've always felt an
importance to really guard it and guard it with silence.
When I have a flame of inspiration, I wait until
it starts to reveal itself and until I can see
it really really clear for myself, and then I'll start
to speak to other people about it, because even if
people that are close to me, it doesn't matter, like
they're all going to have an opinion, and that's felt.
(31:44):
Even if they don't express it with words, they're expressing
it somehow, and it's an energy, it's felt. There's this
term call quantum entanglement right where we can get caught
up and entangled through the energies of others. So that's
a real thing. It exists, and I do my best
to guard it until it's real enough that it's undeniable,
and that will be my best encouragement for most people.
(32:05):
I say, most people are too loud, too soon, and
they don't put the energy where it needs to be put,
which is actually moving the needle or the manifestation of
whatever they're working.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Well, And you know it's It's interesting that the concept
that comes up to me and the wording that comes
up to me is keep your own counsel. And I
think that becomes so important that you keep your own counsel.
And I love how as you talk about the fact
that all right, I'm ready to go, I'm manifesting this
and so forth. You know, you went to different places
(32:37):
and you learn different things, and I think it's important
for all of us to recognize that we can, through
that curiosity, reach out and find people who we can trust,
that can help us along that path. We can't we
just don't do it on our own, because as you say,
you went to so many different retreats, so many different cultures,
(32:59):
and that I'm sure that as you did that, each
time you came back with some greater inspiration, greater understanding
for you what your path was. And I think it's
important for people to understand that. So how do they
how did they reach that balance of keeping their own
counsel and yet at some point in time reaching out
(33:22):
to someone that they truly trust that can be kind
of a mentor or if they're going, you know, on
the retreats and so forth, where they can determine which
retreats are going to be the greatest benefit to them.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I'd say there's a couple couple of pieces. For me.
One is that keeping your own counsel has an undertone
of knowing oneself. Right if I'm if I'm not aware
of me at a deeper level, then I'm not going
to do the best job of keeping counsel to myself.
So for me, that comes through self assessment and whether
it's through whatever introspective practice people decide to take on generally, meditating,
(33:58):
whatever it may be. And what I specifically pay attention
to is the integrity. And when I mentioned integrity, I'm
talking about when my feelings, thoughts, words, and actions align,
Because if those pieces aren't aligning, then I don't know
myself that well. If I'm saying one thing but doing another,
then there's still pieces there for me to integrate. That's fine,
It's part of the part of the journey, and we
can do that for our whole lives at every final level.
(34:22):
So that's the first one. In order to keep my counsel,
I'll make sure that I actually have a solid track
record of knowing myself and living with a degree of
integrity as far as reaching out to other people, I'd
say that it's contextual. Who I'll reach out to will
support depending on how they live their lives. And I
(34:43):
look at what they demonstrate more than what they say.
And so if I need someone for spiritual advice, I'll
look to people that are further down the spiritual path
than I am, and I won't take what they say
for as if it's the be all and end all.
I'll still assess whether or not it's really into me
in my life, and I'll ask myself a question of
where are they speaking from, right, because sometimes people will
(35:05):
give us feedback, even if that further than the path
in us, but they'll give us feedback from a place
of docness within themselves, the docness that they haven't integrated
in their lives yet. And so that's not going to
be very useful because it's going to create the same
common for me right well.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
And I love the fact that it's like, you know,
you watch their lives now what they say. In fact,
I love this saying what you are thunder so loud
in my ears, I cannot hear what you say, and
you know, in some cases that's more of a negative approach,
but I think you can reverse that become a positive
statement that you know what, I will observe who you
(35:41):
are and I don't care what you say, because there's
so many people that say, oh, this person's that and
so forth. But when you get to know them, you
realize that they are truly a loving, kind, honest, full
and integrity individual and that they just have people out
there that are either jealous or just bullying or whatever
and trying to put them down. So I think being
able to identify people based on who they are, and
(36:05):
as you watch who they are, it helps you to
understand that these are the people that can be of
value to you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah. Absolutely well.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
So as we come to a close, Mircael, what would
be a message that you'd like to share with your
out it's kind of a final message.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah. A beautiful metaphor that I love is that there's
this train that passes by for all of us, and
sadly most people never take the step to get on
the train, and that train is that path, that sole path,
that through path that we're speaking about before. So my
invitation to people is to step on the train and
go for a ride, because they can always get off
at the next station and come back to what they've
(36:45):
been leaving. But what they won't get is the time
that they spent not thinking about it. The universe doesn't
work in terms of any time other than right here,
right now, So when we sit there waiting for the
right time, it's actually never going to arrive. There are
more opportune times the mong we decide that's the right time,
and so give yourself the right time right now and
go after whatever your greatest inspiration is. Life is way
(37:07):
too short to put those things on the back burner.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, okay, that's great. So how do people find you?
What's your website?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah? My website is Solepath dot io. And if people
want to connect with what I'm up to and stay
in touch with updates, Instagram is the best place. And
my handle is meat Marker muble Et m a Ko.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Okay, and that's on Instagram. Great, ye. And how do
people find your book?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
My book that they can get it through my biolink
in my Instagram or they can just search my name.
The name of the book is sole Path on Amazon.
It's available on Amazon as well.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Okay, So on Amazon. That's that's always the easiest way.
Is it mainly a book or can you do it
for kindle or audio or how has it been set
up so far? I know it's early in the pathways.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So yeah, of course the audiobook isn't that yet. That's
a project for this year. But the kindle version and
the physical copies are available.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Oh great, well, Marco, thank you. This has been a
great discussion and I really appreciate it. You know, the
ideas and the philosophy that you've shared I think is
so important for people to understand that reaching that sense
of peace in your life and being able to realize that, yeah,
life still happens, but being able to mentally, emotionally, spiritually
(38:23):
recognize that, you know what, I am reaching that sense
of peace I think is so important and that's obviously
what you're teaching.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I a great thank you so much, doctor Doug. It's
been great. Thank you for the work that you're doing
and putting messages like this out there. And I want
to say thank you to the listeners as well for
training in well.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I appreciate it, and folks, hey, thanks for listening. I
hope this has beant something for you, and get to
the website, get to the book. Some great insights there Anyway,
this is doctor Doug saying no mistay, no
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