September 8, 2025 • 44 mins
From trauma to transformation, JU$TIN shares his personal journey of healing and awakening in his new book Sorcery 101. Discover the 13 rungs of spiritual elevation—shadow work, emotional alchemy, intention, and more—and how to grow through pain, not just go through it.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
At the end of the day, it's not about what
you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what
you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,
who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.
Denzel Washington, Welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is
to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you
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to do the same.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Justin Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Good to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Hey, it's good to have you here.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hell there are yeah, or wherever we happen to be right,
That's that's what's so amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now that you can be wherever you want to in
the world and still have this wonderful communication going on. Yep, yeap.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
The times of difference, places of difference, but it's all
this moment, right, it's all now.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Exactly exactly, except someone's just waking up and someone's just
going to sleep. So that's how that works. So, yeah,
you've written a book, and let the audience know what
the name of the book is.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It is called Sorcery one O one thirteen rungs to
a higher elevation of consciousness. Okay, sorcery spelled with the U.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, yes, so that's great. And obviously talking about consciousness,
I'd love for you to share with the audience because
you have quite a journey, share with the audience what
your journey has been and what brought you to this
point to write the book and to do what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, so it's yeah, it's been it's been quite a journey, certainly. So.
I was born and raised here in Phoenix, Scottsdale, Arizona.
I had a had a top childhood in that, you know,
I I kind of grew up in an emotional vacuum.
So I like to say, you know, around, I use
a lot of pop culture and humor in my book.
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I like to consider myself in a mystical comedian. I
kind of mixed meld the two of comedy and philosophy
kind of stand up philosophy stuff. But one of the
things I I I like to say, you know, my
fight my childhoo was like fight club. It was like
around my house, it was like, you know, the first
rule is you do not talk about your feelings, and
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the second rule is you do not talk about your feelings.
And that's what it was like growing up around my house.
It's just nothing was spoken of that was anything remotely vulnerability.
So anything involving the spirit, anything involving good feelings, bad feelings,
anything involving drugs, alcohols, sex, a thing, anything, just none
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of that was discussed at all. Ever when I was
when I would be kind of feeling bad and I'd
be kind of talking to my mom, it was obvious
she was not comfortable talking to me about that, and
she would just tell me, well, you know, go take
a shower, you'll feel better. Because she had no idea
like how to you know, console a child or like
to you know, she just she did the best she
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could because that's how she was raised. I have, there's
there's everyone is just a reflection of the environments they
were raised in. It's she did the best she could,
and I love her very much and she's passed on now.
But you know, it's it was just it just when
you don't tell a child they're loved, valued, and I
wasn't never told I love you, and you know, there
wasn't a lot of hugging. It just it just was
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a real emotional vacuum at my home and we you
don't tell a child they're loved, valued, safe. You know,
they're going to look for the world for these things,
and the world is always going to tell them they're unvalued, unloved,
and unsaved. So, you know, growing up with Vilva's kind
of horror beliefs inside of me led some some really
tough times as a teenager in my twenties. Just a
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lot of mental emotional issues, you know, ADHD and you know,
the depression and anxiety and all these things that you
know spun me back and forth in America's sick care
system here, and a lot of substance abuse, alcohol problems,
and you know, prescription pills became my favorite thing. So
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you know, it's legal, legal drugs, right, I can pretend
like I wasn't a total drug addict because these were
you know, everything is okay, everything, you know everything's legal.
It's okay, right, Like that's not exactly correct, but that's
what I thought at the time. So just you know,
it was really a tough going there for quite a while.
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And you know, finally kind of in my thirties, I
got things together a little bit, and you know, I've
experienced some periods of sobriety. I went I started going
to the kind of AA and doing a more Christian
religious type thing, and you know, I was sober, but
you know, I was not thriving at all. I still
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had all my core issues of you know, pretty bad
anxiety and depression, but I was sober, so you know,
I considered it kind of a wind and that kind
of happened, and I kept with that for a while.
And then in you know it late thirties. You know,
I'm the early forties now, and it's you know, I
had a lot of horrible things just coincide and happen,
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which kind of led to this, the writing this book,
and had my mother died. It was a very tough
thing where it was not it was the long drawn
out process of this year where her kind of body
was dwindling and her mind was dwindling, and that was
really tough to see. And then my sister had died
and I had a close childhood friend die. I got
attacked in the face by a dog. I had a
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fiance who just just all of a sudden left moved
across the country with our infant son and just cut
me out of their lives, just cut me out. I
haven't seen it, talk to him in two years. So
I had a lot of really hard things happen. And
that is where kind of, you know, you can instead
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of going through it, we need to grow through it.
And that's what I was trying to focus on, was
kind of growing through this time period I was I
was just asking, you know, just daily like all, I
became obsessed of reading about I was kind of letting
go of the Christian way of things and finding that
that was really part of what made my mother's passing
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so traumatic was that she was not a Christian. And
the whole time I had this programming going on from
these pastors that she's going to Hell, and it made
her It made her her ending days much more traumatic
than they needed to be. I would have been kind
of this shepherd into the next life and been excited
for like I am now, after these experiences I have
had in meditation, that's let me know that everything is fine.
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But at the time that's not what it was. So
letting go of these of these things in my life
was really a big deal. So I was letting go
with a lot. I was doing some meditation. It's just
all these things and the and these horror traumas and
all this stuff kind of came together in this in
this soup that created gave me vision and created this
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this new kind of program for for healing trauma. And
and that's that's where I'm at now. And it's it's
very exciting, and you know, I hope to kind of be,
you know, the the energy doctor and you know, doctor
of divinity, and and that's that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, So, so you mentioned a couple of things I
want to get into a little bit. Number One, you
were in AA and you mentioned that they kind of
move you into a Christian kind of situation here, which
obviously for many people works and it apparently worked for
you to some degree. And then you end up with
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a situation where a pastor and his person of Christianity
suddenly goes totally opposite and puts you right back into
that sense of stress and so forth, because talking about
your mom, which you know, we won't get into that
whole thing as far as you know, why why people
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perceive that way and then try to influence other people
that way. But let's let's talk a little bit about perception.
Let's talk about you know, reality and why it is
that people have totally different realities. I mean, we look
at what's going on right now, okay in the US,
and all of the anger and all of the things
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that are going on, and you look at that, and
you've got one person with a certain reality and you've
got another person within the completely opposite reality. And yet
if we look at reality as a genuine item, there's
only one reality. And so how does that happen? What?
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What was your experience as you started to look at
this and develop this concept of how reality and perception
really determines how we how we look at life.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, it's really it is fascinating how you know, our
world we are, you know, but what we perceive it is.
And you know, life is is a projection of your
internal wars and beliefs, and you know, you know, just
like just like any projector. You know, a projector. If
you think you're going to put a movie in the
projector and it's going to play a movie, you know,
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the projector isn't going to tell you, you know, this movie sucks,
Let's play a different movie. You know, it's going to
play whatever you put in there to play. And that
is our realities. I mean that that is our the
perception of things. And and you know, especially things like
like politics and everything, it just warps it so much.
And you know, the world is not and that is
the big thing about sorcery is one of the biggest
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parts is this concept of both and you know it
just the world is not this black and white, you know,
you know, it's just it's not that. And and people's
minds want to put everything in a box where it
is or it is not, you know, religion versus science
it is one or the other. And spirituality is this
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middle intersecting point that's just takes the best parts of
both of them and comes up with this whole new
way to look of things that that that people really
aren't that familiar with. So and that's the exciting part
about this. And I think people are starting to you know,
wonder and question their some of their beliefs. And that's
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the shadow work is the first wrong and and that
is about you know, the shadow is created by you know,
childhood traumas and limiting beliefs, and and it is it
is this side of us that causes reaction, the reactionary
side of us, and starting to question that, and you
know that go over things that in our minds that
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we've believed or true but maybe aren't so true. And
people are starting to understand that more because of the
you know, the whole you know AI and the deep
fake and fake news and there's all this people are
starting to do like, okay, there's a lot of illusionary
stuff going on here, like what what what is real
and what is not and starting to question that is
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really the first step in creating better perceptions and using
your intuition instead of just taking things at face value.
You know, heart will lead you in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well and obviously, as you were talking about it, you know,
the way that you were brought up, and I don't
think it's an uncommon situation, by the way that literally
most people have a difficult time really talking about emotions
and those type of things. But the way you were
brought up created this bliss of this perception within you
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of reality that, as you talked about it, really ultimately
created some real issues for you. But what fascinates means
you talked about meditation. You're talking about some of these things,
and I'd love for you to share with the audience.
Number one, at what point in time did you have
that aha moment that said, you know what, I've got
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to change. Number one? And then number two, What were
some of the processes that you personally went through that
brought you to the point of meditation, brought you to
the point of consciousness, which a lot of people never experience.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yes, there's several things. One, you know, one, I've been
kind of in this nation's sick care system for decades
trying to, you know, come up with a medicinal answer
to my spiritual problem. And that was number one that
is not was not working. So, I mean, we live
in this world, but everything there is one core issue.
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In that core issue is spiritual bankruptcy. And there are
so many symptoms of spiritual bankruptcy. You know, there's anything
any illness considered chronic is I believe at the core
a spiritual issue. But everything is focused on the symptom
and managing symptoms. Our healthcare system is set up to
manage symptoms, not to actually cure anything. So it's just
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managing the symptoms of depression, managing anxiety, you know, autoimmune disorder.
You know that everything is go to a doctor for this,
you know, take some pills for that, go see a
therapist for this. But you know, if you have an
alcohol problem, you go to meetings. If you have a
drug problem, you go to other meetings. If you have
a gambling problem, you go to other meeting and everything is,
everything is set, and it's completely different if you know,
if you if you're just now we're seeing how big
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an issue that the phone is, because the phone is
just a is a really massive problem these days. I
go to the gym and I see men and women
that can't even get through a set a weight set
in and without checking their phone. It's like that, you know,
they do ten leg ex sessions real quick and then
they have to check their phones. And that's that's an issue.
That's that's an issue, and that it's just putting off feeling.
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You know, everything is going off feeling. We're just we
looked to everything. And the thing with like meditation is
that it allows you to have a divergent focus on
things instead of a we're constantly in a convergent focus.
We go from this to that to this to that
all day work to the you know, we're doing the phone,
we're doing work, we're doing you know, we're doing TV,
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we're doing family's There is a convergent focus completely throughout
the day. And meditation allows you to have a divergent
focus on things, which is a broadening of the focus.
And that's when Source gets to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Okay, so I'm going to stop you there. I want
you to talk about what was your aha moment? What
was that finally said all right, boom, I've got to change?
And then what were some of the processes the books
you were reading, uh, maybe workshops you were going to,
maybe hiring someone to help you as a mentor or
an advisor, whatever that was. What were some of those
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things that brought you to the point where you were
able to start meditating and understanding the power of meditation.
Because I totally agree with you, that's a great thing
to be able to do.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, it was actually in a time was about four
years ago, and that moment came to me and it
wasn't actually in imitation to time, but I had what
I can only describe as a bliss attack, because I've
had panic attacks my whole life, and this was a
bliss attack. It was like if you replace panic with love.
And for three hours I was in this state, this
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complete euphoric state, and I realized I had spent my
life at that point in airplane mode. So a phone
perpetually in airplane mode is not living up to its potential.
You're not going to get any signals or called or
text or anything. What's on there is on there, and
that's it. So I realized in that moment I was
on airplane mode and airplane mode had been disabled, and
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from that point on everything changed. I realized that there
is an energy field that we can tap into that
is source energy. That is why sorcery spelled with a
U source energy. And try trying to explain source energy
to someone, I've found is a bit like trying to
explain the concept of water to a fish, and it's like,
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you know, it's you know, I actually imagine trying to
do that. Well, it's this substance. It surrounds you and
you wouldn't be alive without it, and it's how you
get around and move and breathe. And the fish would
be like what, I don't know what you're talking about.
So it is it? It is that field of energy.
And in this moment I realized, you know, I was
I was a fish in a pond. My whole life
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just swimming in a pond. And all of a sudden,
one day an angler comes in and rips that fish
out of that pond. And now you see this whole other,
insanely majestical world that Oh my gosh, there are other ponds. Oh,
there's this, there's land, there's oceans, there's what is this? Like?
That is that is that moment of wow? And and
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that's really I mean, you know, explaining this to someone
who is very hard. It would be like going to
you know, getting an electric shocks. Took a fork and
an outlet and get an electric shock, and then you
try to explain that to someone who lives in the
juggles of the Amazon. It's difficult to do, Like, how
do you explain an electric shock to someone who doesn't
understand electricity? And that's what this moment was. And from
that point on, you know, I was still kind of struggling,
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but you know, I wanted to avoid, you know, my destiny.
But it after airplane mode is turned off, it can
never be turned back on again. You can kind of
avoid it. I was still having problems with drinking and
trying to avoid my emotions then, so you can kind
of turn it, but it's always there, and it's always like,
you know, it's like the destiny thing is like, hey, hey,
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when are you going to wake up? When are you
going to wake up? And finally, you know, I just
I really started getting my act together and started you know,
I realized I had, you know, a talent for this,
and and and I just kept learning about about everything
and everything started coming together. And I had moved to
Sodona because it was just kind of a trauma response
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after my fiance left with her son. I just moved
to Sedona and it was there that it kind of
came to me that was like, Okay, you know, we're
going to help other people get through this, and we're
going to create a system of how to do this,
and this is where we're going to start, and that
is this book, and that is the system and so
from here it will be very interesting to see.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, and I love that, and you know it's interesting,
and this is maybe off the subjects, but it comes
to my mind at least. You know, we talk about source,
we talk about that energy. A lot of meditative leaders
talk about the quantum field and the source there and
so forth, and yet you know, where does that source
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come from? And I think it's important for people who
happen to be whether they're Christian, Islam, Buddhist, you know, Hindu,
whatever that happens to be the bottom line is, as
many people do believe in a higher individual, a higher God,
and I think for people that are listening that at
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least as I've looked at this, I understand that you know,
there are those that say, well, there is no God,
but there's a source. And for me, I think it's
important to understand and the audience that happens to believe
in that higher source, that's where that's where it comes from.
That source comes from somewhere. It just doesn't exist. It
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comes from somewhere. And you may disagree with me on that,
but bottom line, I want the audience to understand that
because I don't want them to not listen anymore, because
bottom line, I think your story and the points that
you've made in your book are extremely important. And oftentimes,
as you know, sometimes somebody says a word and it
completely turns you off and you don't listen anymore. So
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I want to kind of put that in there. But
let's talk about the book. So you talked about the
first rung, which was shadow work, and that's really where
you're identifying what those perceptions are, those limiting beliefs are
that have been created within your mind and your soul,
and oftentimes that you had no control over that that's
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just something that's happened as a child. So what's the
second run?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
The second run is a call for inaction, which is
about meditation. So and there there is thirteen of them
speaking of the shadow where there's thirteen of them for
a very specific reason, and that's because you know, thirteen
here in America at least, is considered a very unlucky
number to the to the to the point where we
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have no thirteenth floors on in hotels, which is I know,
which is mind boggling, like that's how much that's how
influenzial that that, But it's it's it's all bullshit. It's
that there's nothing, there is no there's no reason for it.
I looked up kind of like why, and there's there's
really no concrete reason. They kind of say, well, people
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kind of think it's you know, it's because there were
thirteen people at the Last Supper and Judas was considered
the thirteenth person, so I was considered. So you know,
the whole logic of it is completely faulty. It's gone
back much much further than that to being associated with
the divine and being good luck and prosperate to those
who embrace it. So there's thirteen runs for a very
specific reason, and it is that kind of shadow work
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that is you start to question, Okay, what is what
is real? What is you know, what is not in thirteen?
Starting there? That is a very lucky number. So yeah,
and then the second one is a call for an action.
And you know, I compare, you know, having that divergent focus.
It's like if you were to put a blindfold on
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and go stand with your nose to a brick wall.
You take the blindfold off, all you're going to see
is a blurry shader ad right, and just take a
step back now you can make out a brick. You
take out another step brack, you could see that there's
a few bricks. Take another step back, Okay, it's the wall.
And then you take another step back. It's like, okay,
this wall is attached to something. And then you go
even further back and you see that what was originally
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just a blurry shade of red is now a magnificent castle.
And now you've achieved this divergent focus. And that is
what makes meditation so incredibly critical, is that people need
to stop looking at this, you know, at their nose
and you know, this blurry shade of red, when there's
this incredible castle all around us. And that is why
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meditation is so important. That it is the break I've
you know, like I've asked, once you ever take a
break from meditating like the gym. It's like, well, no,
you don't take a break from meditation, because meditation is
the break your mind is going all the time. It
finally gets to rest and just relax, and it's it's
amazing the differences it makes. And you know, just starting
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with just five minutes is good, all.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Right, So meditating every day and then you say it
can be just five minutes or longer for some people.
And what goes into the third run.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
The third one is called surrender to serenity, and that's
about accepting person, places, as things as they are. And
the main focus for surrender serenity is is is human behavior.
And that's what I get into the the most is
trying to understand human behavior better. And we place you know,
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bad people in this category off that's a bad person
and that's a good person. When it's again that this
is the world of gray. There is both and and
it is it is about understanding, you know, because I've
been now in both places. There is no bad and
good people like I have been. You know, I used
to I would get in trouble for drinking and driving.
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I never I don't have any felonies, but I've had
several misdemeanors. You know, I've got in trouble for stealing
was a big thing. I was still alcohol I stole
a bunch of alcohol when I was, you know, a teenager.
And you know, I'd steal stuff from department stars for
money in my twenties and you know, like that that's
a that's a bad guy. But there was a good
guy in there, you know, And so it is it
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is about understanding human behavior better so that when bad
things happen or people do bad things to us, it's
it's understanding that people are simply a reflection of the
environment they were raised and that's all. They're just programmed
machines doing what they were programmed to do. And it
just it's helped me immensely deal with with you know,
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offensive and nasty behavior and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well, and what's interesting is as you're able to do that,
and you call it serenity, but as you're able to,
as you're meditating, those things come up, and as you're
able to just to acknowledge it, just to acknowledge it, Okay,
this is there that somehow takes away the power of
that negative belief or negative imprint. And I think that's amazing.
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So then from there you go into the fourth room.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And what's that, Yes, that is health as wealth, which
is fairly self explanatory. I kind of get into, you know,
like the importance of taking care of the temple, right
that the body is the temple to the soul. And
you know, there was a time I treat my as
a temple now, but there was a time when I
treated like an amusement park, and so you know, it
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is it is the importance of you know, taking care
of this thing. It is the mind, body, spirit. It's
that trifecta, and you have to take care of all
three and if and if one starts to wane, it
starts to affect the other two. So it is the
importance of keeping the body. And you know, it's it
covers everything from you know, you know kind of nutrition
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wise and working out, WHI sleep, you know, all these
kind of new health things that are out there, and
it's just it really is just importance of taking care
of yourself well.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And it's interesting to note that in many cases those
emotions of subconscious, those experiences that create such stress, start
to affect our bodies. So as we start to notice
that we're not failing good, that can be a good
red flag to say, okay, you start need to start
looking at what's really going on in your life. And obviously,
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sometimes you know, health issues are for some other reasons.
But I think there's so many times that we can
look at something stress causes so much stuff happening as
far as within the body that it starts to create
ill help and I and I love the fact that
you focus on that because I think that's so important.
Then we get to the fifth rung, emotional alchemy.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Talk about that. Yeah, so that is uh, that's that's
one of the that's one of the big ones for me. So,
you know, alchemy for those of donors, is the ancient
art or process of turning base metals into gold, so
brass or metal into gold by you know, kind of
an unknown magical process, something sorcerers do the the other
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kind of sorcerer. I'm a sorcerer with a you it's
a different kind of sorcerer, but real sorcerers apparently can
do that. You know. Science may say it's impossible, but
science can be kind of boring sometimes, but emotional alchemy
is undeniably possible because I do it every day. And
that is turning these kind of base emotions that are
already there and alchemizing them into higher level emotions such
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as join love. But there are certain things that you
can do that, let's say, you know, like trauma can
actually be alchemized into wisdom. You know, once you disconnect
the emotional charge from a traumatic memory that now you
are now you are more wise now it is wisdom.
It is no longer a trauma. It's no longer affecting
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your life. That you know, that's PTSD comes in and
you know, once you once you take that charge away,
now it is now wisdom. So you can you know,
work on alchemizing you know, your trauma into wisdom. You
can alchemize you know, pain into motivation. Pain can be
a great motivating factor and so you can kind of
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take that pain and use it. And I mean I
certainly was doing that. You want to do more than
that because a lot of people who make it to
the top use pain as motivation and they get to
the top and it feels hollow and lonely. So so
there's more things to but that's an example of it, certainly.
And another one I love doing is kind of the
curiosity of human behavior. And you know, humans can you know,
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they can offend us, that you know, they can scare us.
You know they can disgust us. There are several things
that can happen from you know, interaction with other people.
And you can be jealous of humans. It's kind of
those four kind of main ones. But you know, if
you if you start to study them and get curious.
This kind of alchemizes the negative whatever feeling, jealousies, you know, fear,
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discuss whatever one you're already feeling. It kind of it
turns it into something else, and you start studying them,
you start becoming curious. There's a book out right now
that's very buzzy. Mel Robbins. Let them and you know,
just let them. Theory, it's kind of distancing yourself from them,
and that's good in a way that there's there is
something to that that is it's much better than kind
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of being controlling. And I don't want this to happen
this person. This should be this way. And I don't
know why I feel it's it's it's kind of disconnecting
yourself from them. But that's what's good and bad about it,
is you're also disconnecting yourself from them. I believe we're
all one consciousness and we should all kind of, you know,
you know, get along better. So to disconnect completely, I
think we should take it a step further than just
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letting them and study them. So there are you know,
these these things you can do to alchemize the kind
of negative emotions that are there and turn them into
something much more helpful.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's called reframing. Uh I love the word applimized. So
then you get to the sixth throne, comfort and discomfort.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yes, so yeah, that's that's a pretty self expigue zory one.
So it's it's just if you're if you're constantly in
the comfort zone, it's a beautiful place to be, but
a sourcer understands that nothing really grows there. It's we
all need our comfort and it's it's important. But if
you're constantly in comfort, I guarantee you you're not growing.
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So it's it's to purposely put yourself in an uncomfortable
situation at least once week, a really uncomfortable situation. So
you know, it's something that you don't want to do,
and it's like, okay, I told myself, I'm going to
do something. And especially us here in America, we get
so programmed into our you know, daily day to day
life and you know it's all I don't want to
do that, and you know that's uh no, no, you know,
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do something uncomfortable. You know, there's someone asks you to
speak at a wedding that's uncomfortable. You know, the first
reaction for pretty much anyone is not I don't want
to do that. But these things pushing yourself. You learn
more about yourself when you push yourself into some discomfort.
And if you're never pushing yourself into discomfort, the universe
has a way of shoving you into discomfort. And it's
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very it's much more uncomfortable. It's like babies out of
the nest of the eagle, you know, Like when you
get shoved into discomfort, it's it's it's a lot more
difficult than when you step into yourself. So that's what
that wrong is about, Okay, And.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Then we get into the seventh throng, attention to intention.
I love I love the wording that you've got there.
I think that you talk about attention to intention.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Attention to intention, and you know, I realized, you know,
especially through my thirties, I forget attention deficit disorder. I
had intention deficit disorder. I was I was letting my
past create my future. When you're constantly living in past
memories and past things, you are going to act as
that person and continue to draw in more of what
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you do not want, you know, thinking and fearing and
I like to say worrying is praying for what you
don't want to happen. So it is about being extremely
intentional with things. And you know, the best thing I've
with attention is intention is you know, I found when
I go to the gym and you know, I'll just
pop up and do pull ups, I'll get twelve. But
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if I stand there before I jump up there and
say I'm getting fifteen, I get fifteen. So it is
extremely important we are intentional with our energy. And I
have found that to just be a life changing, a
life changing thing. And and it's it's it's about coming
up with a plan because you can kind of narrate
your way through your lege. You know, you can kind
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of Morgan Freeman your way through life if you if
you if you really do it purposely. So it's it
is about being intentional and creating tuning into your manifestation.
So it's like a radio station and your intention and
what you want. And it's like those old radio stations
world enough to remember, but you know you have that
little wheel on top and then you have the antenna.
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But that's mind heart coherence, which is creating the beacon
and creating your manifestation signal. It's tuning into those two things.
Through the mind and heart all of a sudden, now
they're in line. You've got a clear intention with an
elevated emotion, and that's when miracles happen. So that is,
that's what intention is all about.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
True. And then you get into the goats over sheep
a throng.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, goes over sheep, So that is that's that's the
acronym greatest of all Time, So goats. And it's funny
because the animal itself is kind of what you know,
it represents what I'm talking about here, which is which
is kind of you know, most people were looking at
our sheep. They are they are kind of you know,
everyone just wants to kind of be told what to
do and and they're not really questioning anything. It's just
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they're just intaking information and going and and so the
majority of the people around you are you know, are sheep.
And the first step to being a goat is kind
of know that not all goats are necessary sorcerers. You know,
the sorcers are kind of a little bit more humble.
Not all goats are super humble, but it is about
having that goat mentality. So the greatest of all time,
and you know, you have humility about it, but you
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also believe in your mind that you are that person
and it is you know, goats are you know, kind
of unheurtable, kind of do their own thing. Animals, you know,
on top of being an acronym that they're they're an
appropriate animal compared to a sheep, that it's just they
really kind of do their own thing. And so, you know,
other people can have great stuff for you, but you know,
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it's again the world of gray. Other people's opinions can
be both helpful and destructive. And a goat sorcer or
goat you know, is going to work that way through
his intuition and come up with the best answer.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And it's really understanding the goodness that lies within you,
and you know you are at that higher level. And
then we get into the ninth throng, which is follow
your bliss, and we're going to go a little faster
here because we're getting close to time.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, and that's yeah, that's the Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey
initiation separation. And in that one, I also get into
a lot of the simulation theory and how you know,
I have a really good, great argument for this being
a simulation which is essentially, you know, a training ground
for love is what I consider this to be, you know,
a simulation for that. So that kind of gets into
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that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Okay, and then the tenth rog and I like this
when Rose Colored Contacts talk a little bit about what
the people that we surround ourselves with and how that
literally affects us.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, so that's the perspective as you were talking about,
and you know, having a better perspective on things, having
better gratitude and and being around you know, others that
tend to it's it's very good to set you know,
an airplane has lifters and drags. You know, it's and
it's very important. You know, lifters bring it up into
the air and the drags will slow it down to land.
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And we have those in our lives too, and it's
it's very important to identify our lifters and our drags
in our life and you know, be around the lifters
more and less around the drags, and and it's you know,
we have kind of a name for them now and
their energy vampires, and these are you know, these are
people that we need to do our best to keep
our because a lot of them don't even understand what
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they're doing. They're just stuck in their own perceptive world
of negativity and continuing to just like I said, recycle
that old energy and and and they're just they're just
stuck in a loop and they have no idea. And
so these are kind of people that we need to
just identify and then and then do something about it.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And sometimes that's stuff because sometimes it's quote friends. And
yet when you start to realize that that energy is
negative and affecting you, it's tough to make that separation
and that disconnect. But as you say, it is so essential.
Now the eleventh for one interesting instinct versus intuition.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Mm yep. That's a lot of people get those. They're
they're they're confused, or they use them interchangeably. Instinct and intuition.
But they're very different things. And that's why I go
over and that rung is that instinct is it lives
in the gut and intuition lives in the heart. And
although we do need instinct at times, you know, I
compare to like, let's say you're walking down a street
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on the way home from work, and all of a sudden,
you know, there's a drive by and there's a gun
hanging out of there. This is a good time to
give into your instinct and react. Instinct is react, but
if you don't process the trauma properly from an incident
like this, every time you walk home from work, you're
going to duck away from every car on the way home,
and then you're going to get home and never leave.
So and that is when instinct has hit overdrive. And
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many of us are in this instinctual overdrive. And this
this that's the fight or flight where we're we're constantly
you know this is it was a very adaptive at
one time in our lives. And now you know, running
from the tiger. We no longer need to run from tigers.
So now you know, the tiger has now become a
coworker in law, and now we're in this constant instinctual
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fighter flight. And so it's getting out of that. And
and and I have intuition training there where I go
into how to actually train your intuition and get in
touch with you on the player side of the simulation
that that is the higher self, and how to ask
questions and how to build a relationship with your higher
self so that you can now use your intuition instead
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of always instinct because they can run an overdrive and
and and ruin our lives. They really can't.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And that's that's a great point. So then you get
into the twelfth round, that chakra life.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's just that's really about balancing shockers
and the importance of recognizing them where they are. I
get into that and just you know what they are,
where they are, where they're located energy little board Texas,
and and how to how to best balance them and
keep you know, and and keep them balanced. So yeah,
it is they are. They are real, So that that's
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that's that's an important part.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, they're real, and what they represent is even more real.
And for folks to say, well chakras, Yeah, but really
what they're representing is our whole life and how we
respond and and I think that's so important. And then
you get into the final rong, the thirteenth wrong, which
is an assist leader. Yeah, understand that one.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, that's uh so that's about, you know, becoming an
assist leader. So I'm I'm a former basketball player or
to play anymore, but I used to and you know,
the uh, some of my favorite basketball players were assist leaders,
you know, like Chris Paul and Steve Nash and and
you know, these these guys were very good at assisting
other people that you know, they were good at scoring,
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but what they'll remember most as is as as helping
their teammates to succeed. And that is what assist leaders do.
So it is you know, it's about kind of finding
your own apprentice, like kind of explaining, you know, like
kind of going through the rungs and getting yourself better.
But the whole point of the book is to try
to continue it because you know, like it's with many things,
(39:17):
you know, education can wear off if we don't continue
to use it. You know, I got my personal trainer's
license over COVID, but I can't currently call myself a
personal trainer because you have to take a class every
year to keep it going. So, you know, like that's
the continuing education of it. A lot of the stuff
I learned it in college. You know, I passed pre
algebra in college. But there's absolutely no way you would
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you'd give me a problem with numbers and letters attached
to it that I'm going to be able to solve it.
I have no idea, not a clue, So assist leader.
It's about keeping this information going and helping other people,
finding your own apprentice, you know, and and teaching because
once you start teaching, then it really gets into your
psyching and your soul and you start bec and and
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staying that person. So that's true.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And you know in your book, as I was looking
at it, it's like, all right, there's a thirteenth that oh, whoops,
there's an encore.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah. Yeah, that's just kind of that's kind of just
kind of the sum nation of everything. I kind of
go over just just with you know, what what what
to do, and and you know how important it is
to kind of keep things going. And you know, if
you picture your journey like like that, like the stock market,
you know, the stock market is something that you know,
it's had its huge downfalls and crashes over time, but
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if you look at the the grand scope of things,
it's it's gone from you know, very minimal to you know,
it's a forty thousand or whatever now and it's it's
it's now, you know, thousands of times what it was worth.
So over time it continues to go, but you're going
to have these times of uncertainty and crashes and but
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over time it's going to continue to go up. So
if you look at your life like the stock market,
it's going to continue to go up, but you have
to get through those depths.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Well. And as we talk about encore and then what
would be a message that you'd like to share with
the audience kind of as a final message and.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Thought, uh, you know it's I've kind of thought and
you know, the main message I'd like to share with
people and something that I wish someone had told me
is you know, the world may be against you, but
the universe is for you. And really that's that's all
that mattered. That's all that mattered.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, okay, good message. So how do people find your book?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, so it's on Amazon searched by my name Justin l. Shab.
I don't know if you have links or whatever I
can I can send you to, but if you just
search for my name justin l. Shab, it's kind of
hard with the sorcery misspelled. It wants to autocorrect it
and stuff. So it's the best way is Amazon and
my name. I just recently, I've been off I've been
off social media for four years now and I just
(41:54):
got back on Instagram like last week. So if if
you if you follow me, I'll follow you back because
it's all good people. I haven't even told my friends
and family I'm on it because I kind of wanted
to just be like, I want to see like all
these people from these fun podcasts and these are kind
of my people. So a Sorcerer with a you underscore
thirteen on Instagram. And that's that's all I've got going
(42:16):
right now. I'm just at the very beatings of this
book just came out, you know, six weeks ago or whatever,
so things are still happening and I'm still building stuff
and working on a website but it's not up yet.
So it's yeah, it's all coming together. But that's what
I got right now.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
So and are you ultimately wanting to become that assist
leader and actually start to work with people and become
a coach of some sort.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yes, yeah, I would love to be able to do that.
I'm kind of on maybe on the macro level. I'd
love to, you know, get together some webinars or even
go on kind of tours. And I call myself a
mystical comedian because you've got your comedians, You're kind of
spiritual teachers leaders, and I'm kind of a mix of
the two. So I would love to be able to
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get together and you know, like have a thing where
I like to write meditations and I do that, and
so to be able to bring in and get people
to have this really powerful meditation to get going and
then you know, make people laugh and think and feel
all at the same time and kind of do like
a stand up that would be amazing. So there's stuff happening.
(43:22):
I just I was just told, get the book out,
write the book. You need a place to start. Here
it is now let's see where this is.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Going to go. Great, great, hey, well and good luck
with that. I know that you're going to have some
effect on some other people. And I appreciate the fact
this book, I think is so effective as we went
through each of the wrongs of how someone literally, if
they'll read it, can start to experience a complete change
in their life and develop a new sense of reality
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for themselves. So appreciate very much what you've done, and folks,
appreciate the fact that you're listening today and if you
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Justin Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Good to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Hey, it's good to have you here.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hell there are yeah, or wherever we happen to be right,
That's that's what's so amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now that you can be wherever you want to in
the world and still have this wonderful communication going on. Yep, yeap.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
The times of difference, places of difference, but it's all
this moment, right, it's all now.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Exactly exactly, except someone's just waking up and someone's just
going to sleep. So that's how that works. So, yeah,
you've written a book, and let the audience know what
the name of the book is.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It is called Sorcery one O one thirteen rungs to
a higher elevation of consciousness. Okay, sorcery spelled with the U.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, yes, so that's great. And obviously talking about consciousness,
I'd love for you to share with the audience because
you have quite a journey, share with the audience what
your journey has been and what brought you to this
point to write the book and to do what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, so it's yeah, it's been it's been quite a journey, certainly. So.
I was born and raised here in Phoenix, Scottsdale, Arizona.
I had a had a top childhood in that, you know,
I I kind of grew up in an emotional vacuum.
So I like to say, you know, around, I use
a lot of pop culture and humor in my book.
(02:17):
I like to consider myself in a mystical comedian. I
kind of mixed meld the two of comedy and philosophy
kind of stand up philosophy stuff. But one of the
things I I I like to say, you know, my
fight my childhoo was like fight club. It was like
around my house, it was like, you know, the first
rule is you do not talk about your feelings, and
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the second rule is you do not talk about your feelings.
And that's what it was like growing up around my house.
It's just nothing was spoken of that was anything remotely vulnerability.
So anything involving the spirit, anything involving good feelings, bad feelings,
anything involving drugs, alcohols, sex, a thing, anything, just none
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of that was discussed at all. Ever when I was
when I would be kind of feeling bad and I'd
be kind of talking to my mom, it was obvious
she was not comfortable talking to me about that, and
she would just tell me, well, you know, go take
a shower, you'll feel better. Because she had no idea
like how to you know, console a child or like
to you know, she just she did the best she
(03:22):
could because that's how she was raised. I have, there's
there's everyone is just a reflection of the environments they
were raised in. It's she did the best she could,
and I love her very much and she's passed on now.
But you know, it's it was just it just when
you don't tell a child they're loved, valued, and I
wasn't never told I love you, and you know, there
wasn't a lot of hugging. It just it just was
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a real emotional vacuum at my home and we you
don't tell a child they're loved, valued, safe. You know,
they're going to look for the world for these things,
and the world is always going to tell them they're unvalued, unloved,
and unsaved. So, you know, growing up with Vilva's kind
of horror beliefs inside of me led some some really
tough times as a teenager in my twenties. Just a
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lot of mental emotional issues, you know, ADHD and you know,
the depression and anxiety and all these things that you
know spun me back and forth in America's sick care
system here, and a lot of substance abuse, alcohol problems,
and you know, prescription pills became my favorite thing. So
(04:25):
you know, it's legal, legal drugs, right, I can pretend
like I wasn't a total drug addict because these were
you know, everything is okay, everything, you know everything's legal.
It's okay, right, Like that's not exactly correct, but that's
what I thought at the time. So just you know,
it was really a tough going there for quite a while.
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And you know, finally kind of in my thirties, I
got things together a little bit, and you know, I've
experienced some periods of sobriety. I went I started going
to the kind of AA and doing a more Christian
religious type thing, and you know, I was sober, but
you know, I was not thriving at all. I still
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had all my core issues of you know, pretty bad
anxiety and depression, but I was sober, so you know,
I considered it kind of a wind and that kind
of happened, and I kept with that for a while.
And then in you know it late thirties. You know,
I'm the early forties now, and it's you know, I
had a lot of horrible things just coincide and happen,
(05:28):
which kind of led to this, the writing this book,
and had my mother died. It was a very tough
thing where it was not it was the long drawn
out process of this year where her kind of body
was dwindling and her mind was dwindling, and that was
really tough to see. And then my sister had died
and I had a close childhood friend die. I got
attacked in the face by a dog. I had a
(05:49):
fiance who just just all of a sudden left moved
across the country with our infant son and just cut
me out of their lives, just cut me out. I
haven't seen it, talk to him in two years. So
I had a lot of really hard things happen. And
that is where kind of, you know, you can instead
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of going through it, we need to grow through it.
And that's what I was trying to focus on, was
kind of growing through this time period I was I
was just asking, you know, just daily like all, I
became obsessed of reading about I was kind of letting
go of the Christian way of things and finding that
that was really part of what made my mother's passing
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so traumatic was that she was not a Christian. And
the whole time I had this programming going on from
these pastors that she's going to Hell, and it made
her It made her her ending days much more traumatic
than they needed to be. I would have been kind
of this shepherd into the next life and been excited
for like I am now, after these experiences I have
had in meditation, that's let me know that everything is fine.
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But at the time that's not what it was. So
letting go of these of these things in my life
was really a big deal. So I was letting go
with a lot. I was doing some meditation. It's just
all these things and the and these horror traumas and
all this stuff kind of came together in this in
this soup that created gave me vision and created this
(07:14):
this new kind of program for for healing trauma. And
and that's that's where I'm at now. And it's it's
very exciting, and you know, I hope to kind of be,
you know, the the energy doctor and you know, doctor
of divinity, and and that's that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, So, so you mentioned a couple of things I
want to get into a little bit. Number One, you
were in AA and you mentioned that they kind of
move you into a Christian kind of situation here, which
obviously for many people works and it apparently worked for
you to some degree. And then you end up with
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a situation where a pastor and his person of Christianity
suddenly goes totally opposite and puts you right back into
that sense of stress and so forth, because talking about
your mom, which you know, we won't get into that
whole thing as far as you know, why why people
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perceive that way and then try to influence other people
that way. But let's let's talk a little bit about perception.
Let's talk about you know, reality and why it is
that people have totally different realities. I mean, we look
at what's going on right now, okay in the US,
and all of the anger and all of the things
(08:40):
that are going on, and you look at that, and
you've got one person with a certain reality and you've
got another person within the completely opposite reality. And yet
if we look at reality as a genuine item, there's
only one reality. And so how does that happen? What?
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What was your experience as you started to look at
this and develop this concept of how reality and perception
really determines how we how we look at life.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, it's really it is fascinating how you know, our
world we are, you know, but what we perceive it is.
And you know, life is is a projection of your
internal wars and beliefs, and you know, you know, just
like just like any projector. You know, a projector. If
you think you're going to put a movie in the
projector and it's going to play a movie, you know,
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the projector isn't going to tell you, you know, this movie sucks,
Let's play a different movie. You know, it's going to
play whatever you put in there to play. And that
is our realities. I mean that that is our the
perception of things. And and you know, especially things like
like politics and everything, it just warps it so much.
And you know, the world is not and that is
the big thing about sorcery is one of the biggest
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parts is this concept of both and you know it
just the world is not this black and white, you know,
you know, it's just it's not that. And and people's
minds want to put everything in a box where it
is or it is not, you know, religion versus science
it is one or the other. And spirituality is this
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middle intersecting point that's just takes the best parts of
both of them and comes up with this whole new
way to look of things that that that people really
aren't that familiar with. So and that's the exciting part
about this. And I think people are starting to you know,
wonder and question their some of their beliefs. And that's
(10:39):
the shadow work is the first wrong and and that
is about you know, the shadow is created by you know,
childhood traumas and limiting beliefs, and and it is it
is this side of us that causes reaction, the reactionary
side of us, and starting to question that, and you
know that go over things that in our minds that
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we've believed or true but maybe aren't so true. And
people are starting to understand that more because of the
you know, the whole you know AI and the deep
fake and fake news and there's all this people are
starting to do like, okay, there's a lot of illusionary
stuff going on here, like what what what is real
and what is not and starting to question that is
(11:22):
really the first step in creating better perceptions and using
your intuition instead of just taking things at face value.
You know, heart will lead you in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well and obviously, as you were talking about it, you know,
the way that you were brought up, and I don't
think it's an uncommon situation, by the way that literally
most people have a difficult time really talking about emotions
and those type of things. But the way you were
brought up created this bliss of this perception within you
(11:55):
of reality that, as you talked about it, really ultimately
created some real issues for you. But what fascinates means
you talked about meditation. You're talking about some of these things,
and I'd love for you to share with the audience.
Number one, at what point in time did you have
that aha moment that said, you know what, I've got
(12:16):
to change. Number one? And then number two, What were
some of the processes that you personally went through that
brought you to the point of meditation, brought you to
the point of consciousness, which a lot of people never experience.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yes, there's several things. One, you know, one, I've been
kind of in this nation's sick care system for decades
trying to, you know, come up with a medicinal answer
to my spiritual problem. And that was number one that
is not was not working. So, I mean, we live
in this world, but everything there is one core issue.
(12:52):
In that core issue is spiritual bankruptcy. And there are
so many symptoms of spiritual bankruptcy. You know, there's anything
any illness considered chronic is I believe at the core
a spiritual issue. But everything is focused on the symptom
and managing symptoms. Our healthcare system is set up to
manage symptoms, not to actually cure anything. So it's just
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managing the symptoms of depression, managing anxiety, you know, autoimmune disorder.
You know that everything is go to a doctor for this,
you know, take some pills for that, go see a
therapist for this. But you know, if you have an
alcohol problem, you go to meetings. If you have a
drug problem, you go to other meetings. If you have
a gambling problem, you go to other meeting and everything is,
everything is set, and it's completely different if you know,
if you if you're just now we're seeing how big
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an issue that the phone is, because the phone is
just a is a really massive problem these days. I
go to the gym and I see men and women
that can't even get through a set a weight set
in and without checking their phone. It's like that, you know,
they do ten leg ex sessions real quick and then
they have to check their phones. And that's that's an issue.
That's that's an issue, and that it's just putting off feeling.
(13:58):
You know, everything is going off feeling. We're just we
looked to everything. And the thing with like meditation is
that it allows you to have a divergent focus on
things instead of a we're constantly in a convergent focus.
We go from this to that to this to that
all day work to the you know, we're doing the phone,
we're doing work, we're doing you know, we're doing TV,
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we're doing family's There is a convergent focus completely throughout
the day. And meditation allows you to have a divergent
focus on things, which is a broadening of the focus.
And that's when Source gets to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Okay, so I'm going to stop you there. I want
you to talk about what was your aha moment? What
was that finally said all right, boom, I've got to change?
And then what were some of the processes the books
you were reading, uh, maybe workshops you were going to,
maybe hiring someone to help you as a mentor or
an advisor, whatever that was. What were some of those
(14:54):
things that brought you to the point where you were
able to start meditating and understanding the power of meditation.
Because I totally agree with you, that's a great thing
to be able to do.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, it was actually in a time was about four
years ago, and that moment came to me and it
wasn't actually in imitation to time, but I had what
I can only describe as a bliss attack, because I've
had panic attacks my whole life, and this was a
bliss attack. It was like if you replace panic with love.
And for three hours I was in this state, this
(15:26):
complete euphoric state, and I realized I had spent my
life at that point in airplane mode. So a phone
perpetually in airplane mode is not living up to its potential.
You're not going to get any signals or called or
text or anything. What's on there is on there, and
that's it. So I realized in that moment I was
on airplane mode and airplane mode had been disabled, and
(15:48):
from that point on everything changed. I realized that there
is an energy field that we can tap into that
is source energy. That is why sorcery spelled with a
U source energy. And try trying to explain source energy
to someone, I've found is a bit like trying to
explain the concept of water to a fish, and it's like,
(16:08):
you know, it's you know, I actually imagine trying to
do that. Well, it's this substance. It surrounds you and
you wouldn't be alive without it, and it's how you
get around and move and breathe. And the fish would
be like what, I don't know what you're talking about.
So it is it? It is that field of energy.
And in this moment I realized, you know, I was
I was a fish in a pond. My whole life
(16:31):
just swimming in a pond. And all of a sudden,
one day an angler comes in and rips that fish
out of that pond. And now you see this whole other,
insanely majestical world that Oh my gosh, there are other ponds. Oh,
there's this, there's land, there's oceans, there's what is this? Like?
That is that is that moment of wow? And and
(16:53):
that's really I mean, you know, explaining this to someone
who is very hard. It would be like going to
you know, getting an electric shocks. Took a fork and
an outlet and get an electric shock, and then you
try to explain that to someone who lives in the
juggles of the Amazon. It's difficult to do, Like, how
do you explain an electric shock to someone who doesn't
understand electricity? And that's what this moment was. And from
that point on, you know, I was still kind of struggling,
(17:15):
but you know, I wanted to avoid, you know, my destiny.
But it after airplane mode is turned off, it can
never be turned back on again. You can kind of
avoid it. I was still having problems with drinking and
trying to avoid my emotions then, so you can kind
of turn it, but it's always there, and it's always like,
you know, it's like the destiny thing is like, hey, hey,
(17:36):
when are you going to wake up? When are you
going to wake up? And finally, you know, I just
I really started getting my act together and started you know,
I realized I had, you know, a talent for this,
and and and I just kept learning about about everything
and everything started coming together. And I had moved to
Sodona because it was just kind of a trauma response
(17:58):
after my fiance left with her son. I just moved
to Sedona and it was there that it kind of
came to me that was like, Okay, you know, we're
going to help other people get through this, and we're
going to create a system of how to do this,
and this is where we're going to start, and that
is this book, and that is the system and so
from here it will be very interesting to see.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, and I love that, and you know it's interesting,
and this is maybe off the subjects, but it comes
to my mind at least. You know, we talk about source,
we talk about that energy. A lot of meditative leaders
talk about the quantum field and the source there and
so forth, and yet you know, where does that source
(18:40):
come from? And I think it's important for people who
happen to be whether they're Christian, Islam, Buddhist, you know, Hindu,
whatever that happens to be the bottom line is, as
many people do believe in a higher individual, a higher God,
and I think for people that are listening that at
(19:02):
least as I've looked at this, I understand that you know,
there are those that say, well, there is no God,
but there's a source. And for me, I think it's
important to understand and the audience that happens to believe
in that higher source, that's where that's where it comes from.
That source comes from somewhere. It just doesn't exist. It
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comes from somewhere. And you may disagree with me on that,
but bottom line, I want the audience to understand that
because I don't want them to not listen anymore, because
bottom line, I think your story and the points that
you've made in your book are extremely important. And oftentimes,
as you know, sometimes somebody says a word and it
completely turns you off and you don't listen anymore. So
(19:47):
I want to kind of put that in there. But
let's talk about the book. So you talked about the
first rung, which was shadow work, and that's really where
you're identifying what those perceptions are, those limiting beliefs are
that have been created within your mind and your soul,
and oftentimes that you had no control over that that's
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just something that's happened as a child. So what's the
second run?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
The second run is a call for inaction, which is
about meditation. So and there there is thirteen of them
speaking of the shadow where there's thirteen of them for
a very specific reason, and that's because you know, thirteen
here in America at least, is considered a very unlucky
number to the to the to the point where we
(20:32):
have no thirteenth floors on in hotels, which is I know,
which is mind boggling, like that's how much that's how
influenzial that that, But it's it's it's all bullshit. It's
that there's nothing, there is no there's no reason for it.
I looked up kind of like why, and there's there's
really no concrete reason. They kind of say, well, people
(20:53):
kind of think it's you know, it's because there were
thirteen people at the Last Supper and Judas was considered
the thirteenth person, so I was considered. So you know,
the whole logic of it is completely faulty. It's gone
back much much further than that to being associated with
the divine and being good luck and prosperate to those
who embrace it. So there's thirteen runs for a very
specific reason, and it is that kind of shadow work
(21:14):
that is you start to question, Okay, what is what
is real? What is you know, what is not in thirteen?
Starting there? That is a very lucky number. So yeah,
and then the second one is a call for an action.
And you know, I compare, you know, having that divergent focus.
It's like if you were to put a blindfold on
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and go stand with your nose to a brick wall.
You take the blindfold off, all you're going to see
is a blurry shader ad right, and just take a
step back now you can make out a brick. You
take out another step brack, you could see that there's
a few bricks. Take another step back, Okay, it's the wall.
And then you take another step back. It's like, okay,
this wall is attached to something. And then you go
even further back and you see that what was originally
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just a blurry shade of red is now a magnificent castle.
And now you've achieved this divergent focus. And that is
what makes meditation so incredibly critical, is that people need
to stop looking at this, you know, at their nose
and you know, this blurry shade of red, when there's
this incredible castle all around us. And that is why
(22:18):
meditation is so important. That it is the break I've
you know, like I've asked, once you ever take a
break from meditating like the gym. It's like, well, no,
you don't take a break from meditation, because meditation is
the break your mind is going all the time. It
finally gets to rest and just relax, and it's it's
amazing the differences it makes. And you know, just starting
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with just five minutes is good, all.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Right, So meditating every day and then you say it
can be just five minutes or longer for some people.
And what goes into the third run.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
The third one is called surrender to serenity, and that's
about accepting person, places, as things as they are. And
the main focus for surrender serenity is is is human behavior.
And that's what I get into the the most is
trying to understand human behavior better. And we place you know,
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bad people in this category off that's a bad person
and that's a good person. When it's again that this
is the world of gray. There is both and and
it is it is about understanding, you know, because I've
been now in both places. There is no bad and
good people like I have been. You know, I used
to I would get in trouble for drinking and driving.
(23:31):
I never I don't have any felonies, but I've had
several misdemeanors. You know, I've got in trouble for stealing
was a big thing. I was still alcohol I stole
a bunch of alcohol when I was, you know, a teenager.
And you know, I'd steal stuff from department stars for
money in my twenties and you know, like that that's
a that's a bad guy. But there was a good
guy in there, you know, And so it is it
(23:52):
is about understanding human behavior better so that when bad
things happen or people do bad things to us, it's
it's understanding that people are simply a reflection of the
environment they were raised and that's all. They're just programmed
machines doing what they were programmed to do. And it
just it's helped me immensely deal with with you know,
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offensive and nasty behavior and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well, and what's interesting is as you're able to do that,
and you call it serenity, but as you're able to,
as you're meditating, those things come up, and as you're
able to just to acknowledge it, just to acknowledge it, Okay,
this is there that somehow takes away the power of
that negative belief or negative imprint. And I think that's amazing.
(24:40):
So then from there you go into the fourth room.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And what's that, Yes, that is health as wealth, which
is fairly self explanatory. I kind of get into, you know,
like the importance of taking care of the temple, right
that the body is the temple to the soul. And
you know, there was a time I treat my as
a temple now, but there was a time when I
treated like an amusement park, and so you know, it
(25:04):
is it is the importance of you know, taking care
of this thing. It is the mind, body, spirit. It's
that trifecta, and you have to take care of all
three and if and if one starts to wane, it
starts to affect the other two. So it is the
importance of keeping the body. And you know, it's it
covers everything from you know, you know kind of nutrition
(25:25):
wise and working out, WHI sleep, you know, all these
kind of new health things that are out there, and
it's just it really is just importance of taking care
of yourself well.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And it's interesting to note that in many cases those
emotions of subconscious, those experiences that create such stress, start
to affect our bodies. So as we start to notice
that we're not failing good, that can be a good
red flag to say, okay, you start need to start
looking at what's really going on in your life. And obviously,
(25:58):
sometimes you know, health issues are for some other reasons.
But I think there's so many times that we can
look at something stress causes so much stuff happening as
far as within the body that it starts to create
ill help and I and I love the fact that
you focus on that because I think that's so important.
Then we get to the fifth rung, emotional alchemy.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Talk about that. Yeah, so that is uh, that's that's
one of the that's one of the big ones for me. So,
you know, alchemy for those of donors, is the ancient
art or process of turning base metals into gold, so
brass or metal into gold by you know, kind of
an unknown magical process, something sorcerers do the the other
(26:44):
kind of sorcerer. I'm a sorcerer with a you it's
a different kind of sorcerer, but real sorcerers apparently can
do that. You know. Science may say it's impossible, but
science can be kind of boring sometimes, but emotional alchemy
is undeniably possible because I do it every day. And
that is turning these kind of base emotions that are
already there and alchemizing them into higher level emotions such
(27:07):
as join love. But there are certain things that you
can do that, let's say, you know, like trauma can
actually be alchemized into wisdom. You know, once you disconnect
the emotional charge from a traumatic memory that now you
are now you are more wise now it is wisdom.
It is no longer a trauma. It's no longer affecting
(27:27):
your life. That you know, that's PTSD comes in and
you know, once you once you take that charge away,
now it is now wisdom. So you can you know,
work on alchemizing you know, your trauma into wisdom. You
can alchemize you know, pain into motivation. Pain can be
a great motivating factor and so you can kind of
(27:48):
take that pain and use it. And I mean I
certainly was doing that. You want to do more than
that because a lot of people who make it to
the top use pain as motivation and they get to
the top and it feels hollow and lonely. So so
there's more things to but that's an example of it, certainly.
And another one I love doing is kind of the
curiosity of human behavior. And you know, humans can you know,
(28:08):
they can offend us, that you know, they can scare us.
You know they can disgust us. There are several things
that can happen from you know, interaction with other people.
And you can be jealous of humans. It's kind of
those four kind of main ones. But you know, if
you if you start to study them and get curious.
This kind of alchemizes the negative whatever feeling, jealousies, you know, fear,
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discuss whatever one you're already feeling. It kind of it
turns it into something else, and you start studying them,
you start becoming curious. There's a book out right now
that's very buzzy. Mel Robbins. Let them and you know,
just let them. Theory, it's kind of distancing yourself from them,
and that's good in a way that there's there is
something to that that is it's much better than kind
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of being controlling. And I don't want this to happen
this person. This should be this way. And I don't
know why I feel it's it's it's kind of disconnecting
yourself from them. But that's what's good and bad about it,
is you're also disconnecting yourself from them. I believe we're
all one consciousness and we should all kind of, you know,
you know, get along better. So to disconnect completely, I
think we should take it a step further than just
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letting them and study them. So there are you know,
these these things you can do to alchemize the kind
of negative emotions that are there and turn them into
something much more helpful.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's called reframing. Uh I love the word applimized. So
then you get to the sixth throne, comfort and discomfort.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yes, so yeah, that's that's a pretty self expigue zory one.
So it's it's just if you're if you're constantly in
the comfort zone, it's a beautiful place to be, but
a sourcer understands that nothing really grows there. It's we
all need our comfort and it's it's important. But if
you're constantly in comfort, I guarantee you you're not growing.
(29:54):
So it's it's to purposely put yourself in an uncomfortable
situation at least once week, a really uncomfortable situation. So
you know, it's something that you don't want to do,
and it's like, okay, I told myself, I'm going to
do something. And especially us here in America, we get
so programmed into our you know, daily day to day
life and you know it's all I don't want to
do that, and you know that's uh no, no, you know,
(30:17):
do something uncomfortable. You know, there's someone asks you to
speak at a wedding that's uncomfortable. You know, the first
reaction for pretty much anyone is not I don't want
to do that. But these things pushing yourself. You learn
more about yourself when you push yourself into some discomfort.
And if you're never pushing yourself into discomfort, the universe
has a way of shoving you into discomfort. And it's
(30:39):
very it's much more uncomfortable. It's like babies out of
the nest of the eagle, you know, Like when you
get shoved into discomfort, it's it's it's a lot more
difficult than when you step into yourself. So that's what
that wrong is about, Okay, And.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Then we get into the seventh throng, attention to intention.
I love I love the wording that you've got there.
I think that you talk about attention to intention.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Attention to intention, and you know, I realized, you know,
especially through my thirties, I forget attention deficit disorder. I
had intention deficit disorder. I was I was letting my
past create my future. When you're constantly living in past
memories and past things, you are going to act as
that person and continue to draw in more of what
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you do not want, you know, thinking and fearing and
I like to say worrying is praying for what you
don't want to happen. So it is about being extremely
intentional with things. And you know, the best thing I've
with attention is intention is you know, I found when
I go to the gym and you know, I'll just
pop up and do pull ups, I'll get twelve. But
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if I stand there before I jump up there and
say I'm getting fifteen, I get fifteen. So it is
extremely important we are intentional with our energy. And I
have found that to just be a life changing, a
life changing thing. And and it's it's it's about coming
up with a plan because you can kind of narrate
your way through your lege. You know, you can kind
(32:07):
of Morgan Freeman your way through life if you if
you if you really do it purposely. So it's it
is about being intentional and creating tuning into your manifestation.
So it's like a radio station and your intention and
what you want. And it's like those old radio stations
world enough to remember, but you know you have that
little wheel on top and then you have the antenna.
(32:29):
But that's mind heart coherence, which is creating the beacon
and creating your manifestation signal. It's tuning into those two things.
Through the mind and heart all of a sudden, now
they're in line. You've got a clear intention with an
elevated emotion, and that's when miracles happen. So that is,
that's what intention is all about.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
True. And then you get into the goats over sheep
a throng.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, goes over sheep, So that is that's that's the
acronym greatest of all Time, So goats. And it's funny
because the animal itself is kind of what you know,
it represents what I'm talking about here, which is which
is kind of you know, most people were looking at
our sheep. They are they are kind of you know,
everyone just wants to kind of be told what to
do and and they're not really questioning anything. It's just
(33:14):
they're just intaking information and going and and so the
majority of the people around you are you know, are sheep.
And the first step to being a goat is kind
of know that not all goats are necessary sorcerers. You know,
the sorcers are kind of a little bit more humble.
Not all goats are super humble, but it is about
having that goat mentality. So the greatest of all time,
and you know, you have humility about it, but you
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also believe in your mind that you are that person
and it is you know, goats are you know, kind
of unheurtable, kind of do their own thing. Animals, you know,
on top of being an acronym that they're they're an
appropriate animal compared to a sheep, that it's just they
really kind of do their own thing. And so, you know,
other people can have great stuff for you, but you know,
(33:57):
it's again the world of gray. Other people's opinions can
be both helpful and destructive. And a goat sorcer or
goat you know, is going to work that way through
his intuition and come up with the best answer.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And it's really understanding the goodness that lies within you,
and you know you are at that higher level. And
then we get into the ninth throng, which is follow
your bliss, and we're going to go a little faster
here because we're getting close to time.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, and that's yeah, that's the Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey
initiation separation. And in that one, I also get into
a lot of the simulation theory and how you know,
I have a really good, great argument for this being
a simulation which is essentially, you know, a training ground
for love is what I consider this to be, you know,
a simulation for that. So that kind of gets into
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that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Okay, and then the tenth rog and I like this
when Rose Colored Contacts talk a little bit about what
the people that we surround ourselves with and how that
literally affects us.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, so that's the perspective as you were talking about,
and you know, having a better perspective on things, having
better gratitude and and being around you know, others that
tend to it's it's very good to set you know,
an airplane has lifters and drags. You know, it's and
it's very important. You know, lifters bring it up into
the air and the drags will slow it down to land.
(35:18):
And we have those in our lives too, and it's
it's very important to identify our lifters and our drags
in our life and you know, be around the lifters
more and less around the drags, and and it's you know,
we have kind of a name for them now and
their energy vampires, and these are you know, these are
people that we need to do our best to keep
our because a lot of them don't even understand what
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they're doing. They're just stuck in their own perceptive world
of negativity and continuing to just like I said, recycle
that old energy and and and they're just they're just
stuck in a loop and they have no idea. And
so these are kind of people that we need to
just identify and then and then do something about it.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And sometimes that's stuff because sometimes it's quote friends. And
yet when you start to realize that that energy is
negative and affecting you, it's tough to make that separation
and that disconnect. But as you say, it is so essential.
Now the eleventh for one interesting instinct versus intuition.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Mm yep. That's a lot of people get those. They're
they're they're confused, or they use them interchangeably. Instinct and intuition.
But they're very different things. And that's why I go
over and that rung is that instinct is it lives
in the gut and intuition lives in the heart. And
although we do need instinct at times, you know, I
compare to like, let's say you're walking down a street
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on the way home from work, and all of a sudden,
you know, there's a drive by and there's a gun
hanging out of there. This is a good time to
give into your instinct and react. Instinct is react, but
if you don't process the trauma properly from an incident
like this, every time you walk home from work, you're
going to duck away from every car on the way home,
and then you're going to get home and never leave.
So and that is when instinct has hit overdrive. And
(36:57):
many of us are in this instinctual overdrive. And this
this that's the fight or flight where we're we're constantly
you know this is it was a very adaptive at
one time in our lives. And now you know, running
from the tiger. We no longer need to run from tigers.
So now you know, the tiger has now become a
coworker in law, and now we're in this constant instinctual
(37:17):
fighter flight. And so it's getting out of that. And
and and I have intuition training there where I go
into how to actually train your intuition and get in
touch with you on the player side of the simulation
that that is the higher self, and how to ask
questions and how to build a relationship with your higher
self so that you can now use your intuition instead
(37:39):
of always instinct because they can run an overdrive and
and and ruin our lives. They really can't.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And that's that's a great point. So then you get
into the twelfth round, that chakra life.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's just that's really about balancing shockers
and the importance of recognizing them where they are. I
get into that and just you know what they are,
where they are, where they're located energy little board Texas,
and and how to how to best balance them and
keep you know, and and keep them balanced. So yeah,
it is they are. They are real, So that that's
(38:12):
that's that's an important part.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, they're real, and what they represent is even more real.
And for folks to say, well chakras, Yeah, but really
what they're representing is our whole life and how we
respond and and I think that's so important. And then
you get into the final rong, the thirteenth wrong, which
is an assist leader. Yeah, understand that one.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, that's uh so that's about, you know, becoming an
assist leader. So I'm I'm a former basketball player or
to play anymore, but I used to and you know,
the uh, some of my favorite basketball players were assist leaders,
you know, like Chris Paul and Steve Nash and and
you know, these these guys were very good at assisting
other people that you know, they were good at scoring,
(38:55):
but what they'll remember most as is as as helping
their teammates to succeed. And that is what assist leaders do.
So it is you know, it's about kind of finding
your own apprentice, like kind of explaining, you know, like
kind of going through the rungs and getting yourself better.
But the whole point of the book is to try
to continue it because you know, like it's with many things,
(39:17):
you know, education can wear off if we don't continue
to use it. You know, I got my personal trainer's
license over COVID, but I can't currently call myself a
personal trainer because you have to take a class every
year to keep it going. So, you know, like that's
the continuing education of it. A lot of the stuff
I learned it in college. You know, I passed pre
algebra in college. But there's absolutely no way you would
(39:40):
you'd give me a problem with numbers and letters attached
to it that I'm going to be able to solve it.
I have no idea, not a clue, So assist leader.
It's about keeping this information going and helping other people,
finding your own apprentice, you know, and and teaching because
once you start teaching, then it really gets into your
psyching and your soul and you start bec and and
(40:01):
staying that person. So that's true.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And you know in your book, as I was looking
at it, it's like, all right, there's a thirteenth that oh, whoops,
there's an encore.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah. Yeah, that's just kind of that's kind of just
kind of the sum nation of everything. I kind of
go over just just with you know, what what what
to do, and and you know how important it is
to kind of keep things going. And you know, if
you picture your journey like like that, like the stock market,
you know, the stock market is something that you know,
it's had its huge downfalls and crashes over time, but
(40:32):
if you look at the the grand scope of things,
it's it's gone from you know, very minimal to you know,
it's a forty thousand or whatever now and it's it's
it's now, you know, thousands of times what it was worth.
So over time it continues to go, but you're going
to have these times of uncertainty and crashes and but
(40:52):
over time it's going to continue to go up. So
if you look at your life like the stock market,
it's going to continue to go up, but you have
to get through those depths.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Well. And as we talk about encore and then what
would be a message that you'd like to share with
the audience kind of as a final message and.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Thought, uh, you know it's I've kind of thought and
you know, the main message I'd like to share with
people and something that I wish someone had told me
is you know, the world may be against you, but
the universe is for you. And really that's that's all
that mattered. That's all that mattered.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, okay, good message. So how do people find your book?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, so it's on Amazon searched by my name Justin l. Shab.
I don't know if you have links or whatever I
can I can send you to, but if you just
search for my name justin l. Shab, it's kind of
hard with the sorcery misspelled. It wants to autocorrect it
and stuff. So it's the best way is Amazon and
my name. I just recently, I've been off I've been
off social media for four years now and I just
(41:54):
got back on Instagram like last week. So if if
you if you follow me, I'll follow you back because
it's all good people. I haven't even told my friends
and family I'm on it because I kind of wanted
to just be like, I want to see like all
these people from these fun podcasts and these are kind
of my people. So a Sorcerer with a you underscore
thirteen on Instagram. And that's that's all I've got going
(42:16):
right now. I'm just at the very beatings of this
book just came out, you know, six weeks ago or whatever,
so things are still happening and I'm still building stuff
and working on a website but it's not up yet.
So it's yeah, it's all coming together. But that's what
I got right now.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
So and are you ultimately wanting to become that assist
leader and actually start to work with people and become
a coach of some sort.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yes, yeah, I would love to be able to do that.
I'm kind of on maybe on the macro level. I'd
love to, you know, get together some webinars or even
go on kind of tours. And I call myself a
mystical comedian because you've got your comedians, You're kind of
spiritual teachers leaders, and I'm kind of a mix of
the two. So I would love to be able to
(43:00):
get together and you know, like have a thing where
I like to write meditations and I do that, and
so to be able to bring in and get people
to have this really powerful meditation to get going and
then you know, make people laugh and think and feel
all at the same time and kind of do like
a stand up that would be amazing. So there's stuff happening.
(43:22):
I just I was just told, get the book out,
write the book. You need a place to start. Here
it is now let's see where this is.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Going to go. Great, great, hey, well and good luck
with that. I know that you're going to have some
effect on some other people. And I appreciate the fact
this book, I think is so effective as we went
through each of the wrongs of how someone literally, if
they'll read it, can start to experience a complete change
in their life and develop a new sense of reality
(43:53):
for themselves. So appreciate very much what you've done, and folks,
appreciate the fact that you're listening today and if you
enjoyed it, look forward to having the joints again soon.
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