November 3, 2025 • 46 mins
Aaron Scott, former hedge fund partner turned podcast host, joins Dr. Doug to explore how modern systems—from education to capitalism—shape our beliefs, identity, and spirituality. Discover how deprogramming begins with curiosity, perspective, and reclaiming truth.
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
Aaron, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Allo, Doctor Derek, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh, I'm excited. You know, interesting topic and probably going
to be an interesting number of topics that we're going
to talk about today. I'd love for you to share
with the audience who you are, because I know you
have an incredible background on Wall Street and suddenly now
here you're doing your podcast, which my impression is it's
entirely different than Wall Street, so maybe a little bit
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of it, but share with the audience who you are,
what you've done in the past, and what brought you
to this point where you're doing your podcast, which is
Evolved Podcast, right.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, the Evolved Podcast is the name of the podcast.
It's recently been changed. Originally titled The Manhattan Profit. I
found people were sort of gravitating to it for looking
for something kind of religious, which is really not what
it is if it's if you listen to it, which
I know you have, and I felt that it needs
to be rebranded a little bit just to fully encompass what,
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you know, what what the podcast is about. So yeah, so,
you know, kind of very quickly, I've I've been on
Wall Street for about two decades. I've kind of you know,
I started as a uh, you know, low level analyst
about you know, twenty years ago, and I've kind of
ascended to the point where I was able to to
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co found and and manage as a manji partner in
my own hedge fund. So I've really kind of seen
it all, been there, and it's it's really I think
a combination of my innate desire from a in the
early age to understand things, you know, why things are
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the way they are in the world, why systems are
set up the way they are, you know, to the
to the basic why people hold the belief systems that
they do right. And I kind of went on the
the the path of Wall Street because I was always
interested in how the you know, the corporations work. I
remember I remember watching on CNBC, you know, kind of
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all the numbers go across the screen, you know, the
stock markets and things like that. I was interested what
the heck that was and that, you know, that along
with a desire to make money, obviously drove me to
the industry. And I think that you know, the the
innate desire and curiosity, interest and my experience has really
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given me a very interesting perspective, if you will, on
a lot of the topics I discuss, and I think
has cultivated a again again unique understanding and something that
I hope, you know, my listeners and this conversation with
your listeners is impactful.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, and how how did you come up with your podcast?
And obviously the focus is, as you say, more on
the you know people and so forth. What how did
you come up with the podcast idea and motivation for that.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah. So look again, my journey, I would say, in
in discovery and in really in truth was to get
a proper construct understanding for the way society is structured,
the way people decide or elect to do things. And
it's it's taken me across a number of platitudes. Has
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taken me from you know, looking into belief systems too,
economic systems, to social systems, to you know, delving into
ancient knowledge to modern day religious institutions. What what you
find is and and I actually remarkable is how the
different topics or issues, if you will, transcend multiple planes.
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This is kind of a constant theme where anything from
a metaphysical understanding to a you know, self identity understanding
to social systems in our society, right. It really, it's
it's a very interestingly surprisingly linear sort of relationship. And
I think that as I especially you know, especially through
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my experience at Wall Street and seeing that end of
things and seeing kind of you know, the society that
that I'm a part of, it really gave me a
very interesting understanding. And and and my and my topics,
I would say, are really rooted in providing people with
a lot of knowledge, the most importantly perspective, and letting
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people have the tools to look at these different topics
in a unique way that they that they maybe wouldn't
have or haven't before. And as and as I say,
I think that it's really with giving people perspective and
hoping that that sort of aha moment takes place and
that resonates with them in some way they can make
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connection and then they can maybe look into other other
topics like that. So so yeah, that's I guess that's
that's kind of high level.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, And you know, it's so interesting. Every once in
a while, I'm you know, I do a lot of
social media stuff with my podcast, so I'm on there
once in a while, and every once in a while
I'll see something on say TikTok and it's like really
and so I'll you know, do a little research on
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it and it's absolutely not true, and yet the person
who's speaking seems to really believe it. So when we
start talking about perception and quote truth and reality, that
gets to be a very very confusing situation.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
It really is, and it's important to you know, taking
a step back. We kind of live in especially in
the West, with dealing with this kind of fractured truth apparatus,
right where we have institutions, government, the medical industry, healthcare industry,
education systems that are really supposed us to be at
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the bedrock of this kind of push for truth, to
enlighten people, to help people, to provide people with the
necessary information to make the right decisions in their lives. Right,
they're protected serve. We want to create, you know, good
stewards of society, things of that nature. We want to
make sure people's health is always at the forefront. Right.
But what's happened is you have a sort of these
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capitalist interests that come in and they taint the information
that's being sent out, and it's for their own agendas, right.
And this and this is really what a lot that
I talk about, which is you have a society that
has really inovertly people don't realize this, but overtly been
structured around a capitalist mindset, right, where the end justifies
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the means, where capital is king. And this creates a
pervasive decay on a societal level. And then what happens
is when you have people and this sort of makes sense, right,
but I don't think people pick up on it necessarily
when you have those belief systems. So when you have
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those values in society, when when capitalism and your job
and corporate interests create effectively the values, it impacts the
individual's belief systems. It interpacts the individual's sense of self
and identity. Right, And this is really what I'm getting
what I'm hammering home, and I'm hoping to enlighten people
to where they might not necessarily understand why they believe
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the things that they do or live their lives the
way that they do. And what I have found, and again,
it's important to be diligent in and having the right
framework for discerning truth because to your point, there's a
lot of people out there who makes, you know, statements
with such confidence, but you know when you look into it,
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it's readily apparent that it's just not the truth. Right.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, go ahead, go ahead, No,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What I was going to say is I remember saying
that I got when I went back to business school,
and truth is what truth is for you, And you
know that that's a belief. That's that's the saying. But
from what I'm hearing you say, and quite Frankly, what
I believe is that truth is merely a result. Truth
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to us is merely a result of our perception of
what's going on. And what you're saying is particularly this
capitalistic concept is overpowering things to the point where we
are kind of programmed to believe a certain way to
live a certain way, when in fact that's not really
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quote the truth, right exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And I think that Look, and I don't know how
much I don't know, homut time you spend between your
respective places, which are very different from you know, from
a demo, from a demographic and from a cultural standpoint, right. So,
but but especially in the way you have over let's
just look over the over the last you know, you know,
one hundred years, right, you had this overt push through
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the you know, the industrial revolution with you know, the
robber barons and the industrialists who you know who through
I mean that they formed overtly on the open the
education system in the United States. This is this is
the system that we still use to this day, right.
And what you find is that the and they were outspoken,
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the underlying the tenets of this system was not to
create I think they quote, you know, philosophers or you know,
men of letters and lawyers and doctors. It was to
create docile workers who would lend themselves well to the
industrialist framework, right, and the bureaucratic framework. This is what
they were creating. And the curriculum which was formed around
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the eighteenth century Prussian model, was in fact to do
just that. So think, let's take us at back. Think
about this. If you're if you're, if you're growing up
in America, you're going to schools, going to school everything.
You know, everybody's talking about the same fads and this
and the that, and you've got all these things around
with you know, you're a teenager. You don't you don't
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ever kind of take a step back and say, wait
a minute, you know, why am I learning things a
way that I am? Why am I sitting at a
desk at the age of eight for six hours a
day memorizing, learning, never questioning? You know, you never question
what you learn. You never questioned beliefs. You memorize beliefs,
You memorize and regurgitate. Right, you're you're you, You've been
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you've been schooled across you know, you've been in schooled
for a while. So you understand how it works. Right,
You you go and you memorize things and you regurg
you and then then you get an A or a
B or a C, whatever the grade is. That's not
how the real world works. The real world works is
you go out there, you screw up, you fail, you
figure out what you did wrong, you get back up
and get it again. You know, every successful person, myself included,
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the reason that there's success is because of their perseverance
and their desire to transcend whatever the setback is, right
it you don't succeed, you don't become successful ute unquote
successful unless you go through that that push and pull. Right.
But but the framework you get, and this is just one
example I know you get from from that indoctrination is
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vastly different from not only the real world, but from
many other ways of viewing the world. Right. So, if
you if you're corralled down this down this path, you again,
you're you're you're fed a very and then you get
the society as a backroup where where it's very much
a materialist, consumerist driven mindset. People don't see themselves as
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spiritual beings, they see themselves as material beings. The sciences
teach you that you know, everything's everything's material. This is
not we talk about truth and not true, but this
is not true, right, this is this is just not
the truth. And we've discovered this right through quantum physics
recently where but there's been a lot discovered recently in
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proto physics. But you know where we learn everything is
vibration and energy. Well, this is vastly different from what
you're taught for twelve years and in basic side right,
so so, but it's you know, it's these little things
that add up and they shape and form your sense
of self and then again the way society views itself
and how and then that impacts how you know, they
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live their lives and their behavior. Right, they live their
lives in many ways through repetition and appetite. They don't
necessarily or reflex in appetite and repetition, they don't they
don't necessarily take a step back again and see the
big picture in what they are and then come to
understand the different ways that they might you know, live
their lives as a result.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, so you talk about education, and you went back
quite a ways to the industrial agent and so forth.
I'm going to hit you with the education presently, what
are your thoughts on what's going on there?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Remarkably you've seen very little change, which I think is
lematic and I think it speaks to a lot of
what I'm saying where you see these and on a
grander scale, if you look at the evolution of the
human being relative to you know, technological advancements, advancements across
specific industries or or market sectors, right, I mean, look
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at the amount of investment and from infrastructure to R
and D. Well, where are we now as human beings?
Have we evolved? My contention is that we have not evolved.
In fact, we may have devolved. We are. Health is
the worst physical and mental we are. We have bloated
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debt burden we have. I think we have the highest
levels of in the States, we have the highest levels
of consumer credit card debt I think since nineteen ninety
nine by way of the Federals a make of New York.
I mean, so if you look across a number of
different planes here and you kind of have to kind
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of begs the question, you know, what has been our focus?
What has been what have we decided to place our
energy and attention too? And and and I think what
you find is that it's it's through accumulating money, it's
through working, and it's through consumption. This is not, in
my opinion, the way that we should be structuring society.
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And if you go back and you look at you know,
the the ancient ancient teachings and even the and even
the fundamental tenets of of of uh, you know, Abrahamic religions,
this was not the way people wanted to live. There
a lot of instructions their lives and this isn't necessarily
the way that we should be, right, it's yeah. So,
and and what's interesting is and you also see and
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that I speak to this, you talk, you know, you
see people who are you know, they're there their pessimis,
their their pessimists, and they're kind of overwhelmed and they
feel like we're in this matrix and you know that
there's too much to overcome. There's too much corruption. Then
there's there's too much that's been infiltrated. And they're kind
of like they put their hands up and they say,
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you know, it is really like I can't do anything.
A lot of what I'm doing is I'm trying to
make people reassess that belief, because that's just not the
way they should be thinking. And I don't want to
be dogmatic, but it's just it's it doesn't, it's not
it doesn't lend itself to anything positive. And in truth,
if you look at the systems, right, the systems themselves
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are not inherently evil. It's the consciousness beneath those systems.
It's the people within those systems that have decided that
this is how our education system should be structured, this
is how our healthcare system should be structured, this is
how our government should be structured. Now, so you we
do have we in fact do have the power, right,
we have the power to make changes. And and people say, oh,
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well there's so much corruption. Well guess what if if
people decide that they're not going to take the kickback,
they're not going to take the bribe. Right, This requires
a paradigm shift and and thought and and it's about
it's about coming to these realizations. And you come to
these realizations by way of awakening people too. I believe
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these facts, and.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, in that we are Yeah, yeah, let's let's talk
about you know, the societal conditioning, because you know, you're
talking about economics you're talking about education, but there's a
whole plethora of societal conditioning that goes on besides those.
And as you've as you've been doing your podcasts and
interviewing people and so forth, what what would you identify
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as the major societal conditioning items that are going on?
And you mentioned religion, so that's obviously one of them,
But what are some of the other ones that you
see besides just the economics and the education.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I think that in the in the in the Western
societal construct, I think that the main driver is money.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And I think that, and I think that has perverted
and infiltrated everything from from every sacred institution to people's
identity and and self awareness.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I think that. And it's not necessarily Again, this is
important to to state, it's not necessarily like people are
just you know, dreedy, and they just want more and
more and more. And they people really by virtue of
the of the way things are set up, the systems
for who benefits who doesn't. People have to take on
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this this mentality because if they don't, they can't survive.
Right you you you in the West, you you must
plug into the system in order to to to live.
You know, you have some not everybody has he has
the fortune of being able to start a company that's
hugely successful, or to go to medical school and and
pursue their dreams as a as a physician. The vast
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majority must take a low wage job, a low wage
job whose wage is not that necessarily determined by the
right factors. We should be paying people more money. There
should be there should be a universal basic income. When
we're spending six trillion a year on you know, f fall,
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I mean, just just absolute garbage right around the world.
We are taking you know, taxpayer dollars, and we are
forcing Western Western hegemony down down the world's throats as
we have been for for decades. When we are when
we've elected to allow corporations to harvest and extract with
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you know, without any checks and balances, because again capitalist
king and at least at least in this in this world.
So so we need to and I believe that we
need to start in lightning people, giving them, giving them
complete information and allowing them to make a decision about
how they want to live their lives. If they're don't
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given knowledge or at least perspective. To your point, we
don't make that leap. We don't make that jump. And
I think that we are now as you've seen, especially
with what's been revealed by the recent administration. And I'm
not trying to get political. I'm talking about facts here. Wow,
the level of depravity and deception and decay that has
taken place as a result is just it's it's astounding,
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it's it's it's it's disgusting, and it's it's a it
really it really only kind of further legitimizes. I believe
what my effort is in many people's efforts are and
giving and giving people different perspectives and different ways of
viewing themselves in the world around them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, and you know, as you talk about the economics
and measure driving force, and I don't disagree with you.
I think that that has a lot to do with it.
But for people's lives, there's so many other elements.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That go on.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, you you have, as you mentioned the word spirituality,
and I want, I want for you to define for
the audience what you mean by spirituality, because you talked
about the Aprahamic covenand and you know that type of thing.
But you know, people have lost quote their spirituality to
such a large degree. And what what is your definition
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of spirituality?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Number one?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And then number two? Why have we lost that in
general in society Now people say that's not true, But
go ahead, I would.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Say that is true. I think, I think that that's
a big component here, right, I think that when you
know I have always associated by virtue of my own
you know, of my own doctrination, I've always associated spirituality
with religion. Right. However, as you peel back the layers
of the onion, if you will, what you find is
that that is, it's quite it's in many ways the
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exact opposite of religion. And if you look back again,
if you look back at ancient that ancient knowledge, if
you go back to the right, go back to even
even in many ways the Greeks the Sumerians that there
was an understanding, a scientific understanding, that that spirituality wasn't
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just about a mystical transcendence. It was it was a
part and parcel to our scientific understanding of the world. Now,
maybe the way that they were expressing this relationship doesn't
necessarily resonate with people's consciousness today. But but spirituality again, transcends,
transcends planes where you know, I believe that we are
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all you know, spiritual beings living in a material realm,
if you will, I believe that we are all part
of a sort of universal consciousness getting to know itself
through different faculties and experiences. You know, we live in
this realm, and it's it's about connect It's about our
connection to one another, recognizing this this universal wellness, and
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it's about experiencing that, experiencing yourself on a higher plane,
making that connection and saying, look, I'm not just this
dusts in the wind, entity that goes around, dies, goes
in the ground. And that was it.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
That was fun.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Right. This is not that, this is not, in my opinion,
right in my belief, the way it is. And this
is this is substantiated and legitimized through again ancient teachings,
through really basic basic doctrine that you actually find when
you when you go back into the old teachings, the
original teachings of a lot of these Abrahamic faiths, you
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find that link. You find that connection. And this goes
across Eastern philosophy, this goes into again the Abrahamic faiths.
There are so many commonalities, there are so many common links.
They are expressed differently because there are different cultures. But
people don't realize that people. People are so segmented, people
are so disconnected. Right. So so again I hope that
answers a question I can. I can give you more there,
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but I think on a basic level that that's really
what it's about. It's about and it's about a personal
connection to that realm, a personal connection to that field
of experience. This is what real spirituality is. And just
very quickly, but if you look at you know, one
over example, if you'l like the Catholic Church for example, right,
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and and their origin and and even even in the
Jewish and Islamic place, you you have this embedded patriarchy, right, Well,
why do we have this embedded patriarchy? What was the reason? Well,
the reason was there was a a rejection of of
the feminine goddess, right it was. And this was again
this is a function of of of societal, economic sort
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of empire driving factors. But the sacred feminine was was
the mystical, spiritual part of consciousness. Right. The the male
was the you know, logical rational And there are many
ways of expressing this. This was expressed differently across you know,
many different civilizations. But but this was rejected, right, and
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this was because I believe, and this was this moved
all way into the into the Renaissance ages of the
Enlightenment periods in Europe. I mean, the reject anything other
than a materialist or to be because you had to
access the divine, the spiritual, the mystical through this, you know,
this institution.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Right, And it's interesting. It's interesting. I didn't mean to
interrupt there, but as I've looked at it. For instance,
today I was just looking at an article and it
was fascinating to me because what you say about losing
the feminine part of it, you know, and you know
that heavenly mother or however you want to refer to that.
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It was interesting because you know, in many of the scriptures,
particularly for Christianity, you know, man is the head of
the is the head of the wife. Well you get
into the original meaning of that Greek and what does
it mean? He is the source? In other words, they're coequal,
but he is this, you know, apparently, but he's there
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to be coequal with his wife and to support. And
what I have found is that it's fascinating how the
words that have been used, for instance, in English. And
I was talking to some religious young men yesterday and
talking about the fact that okay, you know, what does
it mean?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
What does it mean to sin?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And they were going on. I said, well, what's the
original Greek word or better what perfection? You know, be
there for perfect? What's the better word for that? And
they go, I don't know. I said, well, bottom line
is if you get to the original Greek it's complete.
Well that changes the whole perception and truth of be
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complete rather than be perfect. And then what was interesting?
And I said, so, how does that? How does that
equate into tie? And because he speaks Thai, and he says,
you know, it's interesting. They don't have a word for
perfect in Thai. He says, it's more along the line
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of complete. So is fascinating to me that when we
look at modern day religion. In fact, what's really interesting
to me is, you know, we talk about spirituality, we
talk about goodness, we talk about that innate divine within us,
and yet all I see so much is Catholics, this,
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Baptists that, Mormons, that Islam that and so on and
so forth. And it's like here they are saying that
they happen to belong to these various faiths and religions,
and yet the very thing that is, as you say,
taught from the foundation going back, and you're right, I
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studied it. You look at Christianity, you look at Islam,
you look at Buddhism, you look at Hinduism. Guess what
they all have basically the same truths that have been
taught if you get to the root cause and teachings.
So it's interesting to me that somewhere along the line
people have lost this concept of honoring other people. I
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was fascinated when I when I'm here in Thailand and
I went to one particular temple area and as i
was walking in, there was this other building on temple grounds,
the Buddhist temple, and I'm going, what's that? And the
guy said, oh, that's that's a Muslim temple, and I'm going, really,
And what they've done is they incorporate and welcome everyone
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all different religions. And you don't see that, you know,
that vehement kind of I'm kindness that exists and well
you're right and I'm wrong, or I'm right, you're wrong,
and type of thing. What has happened to us spiritually.
Why why has that happened? In your opinion?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, And I think that this is this is the
I mean, is recording a multifaceted answer, But I think
that I think what you're touching on. I think that
it speaks to this sort of identity crisis that I
call it, where you have people that are identifying through
the systems that we've created my country, my religion, my
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big house, you know, my big paycheck, my job. But
people don't realize that's not who they are, right, not
even and let's take this at a level deeper, their thoughts,
their emotions, those are not you either, right, you are
having your emotions and your thoughts. So when you have
people and again this could be understood to be a
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part of this materialist understanding where when you're looking to
identify and find meaning even in the world around you
and of yourself, well, what are you going to do
if you don't have the spiritual question? You're going to
gravitate towards the things that you do in the world. Right, Again,
that you're misidentifying with these uh externalized ideas or or systems. Right.
(30:04):
So I think that's that's a big part about it
where you have this this fractured understanding. And also and
people are in many ways unconscious of this, and they
look and they're also blinded by you know, oh this
guy has a different skin color. Oh, this guy speaks
a different language. Oh this is there's a different culture here.
So people are almost you know, they think by virtual
(30:27):
of what the individual looks like. Again, a materialist understanding
of the world. This guy is so different from me,
this guy's is it? But guess what, they're not so
different from you. We're all we all have the same faculties,
we all. We all perceive things the same way, effectively
taste things the same way. We all you know, we
all uh. And again at the core of our systems,
(30:49):
we all these were perverted, but we we all believe
in the same fundamental things.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
So it's important again in this effort to get people
to to think critically, to question, to develop a curiosity
if they don't have one, and hopefully in doing so
they begin to look into you know, inherited belief systems.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Uh, what I call to be things that are that
are understood to be divine but are just never checked right.
The way that one lives their life. Oh, which is
everyone else are doing? This is the way society is,
this is what this is what you're supposed to be doing.
Why well, why are you supposed to what if it
doesn't lend itself properly to you? Right and and something
that you can see right away, right on a very
(31:32):
basic level, if you look at students who don't let's say,
tests well on the S A T or the MCAT
or whatever whatever standardized test, it is, well, these people
are not necessarily not intelligent. Not what it shows you
is that the test itself is flawed. It's not accounting
(31:54):
for the wide spectrum of intelligence. It's it's it's the
still willing certain certain abilities, you know, logical deductibilities that
will work well within the contract of our socioeconomic you know, uh, infrastructure,
if you will, but they will be able to excel
(32:16):
in jobs that you don't require these skills. But that
right there, you are cutting people off right there and
telling them that you're not smart enough, worthy enough, uh.
And that is why you are not getting the A
or getting the great uh standardized test score. Right. So
(32:38):
so it's really and I believe again if you it
keeps going back to this misunderstood sense of self, misunderstood identity,
materialists driven by default way of viewing yourself and the
world around you. And this is I just I just
had an episode of this. But if you look at globalism, right,
if you really globalism is telling people it's that it's that,
(33:02):
you know, capitalism used to be, you know, a system
where people were expressing the liberal idea. Liberal not being
you know, democrat, republican. Liberal being really liberal is about
you know, individual self interests being tantamount to everything else. Right,
So you had the liberal ideal as the driver, the
liberal deals a driver, and that would bring the individual
(33:25):
and society as a whole up. It was about the
people living in a certain region and if they if
they follow along this way of conducting commerce and living
amongst one another, that was the best way to do
the world. What's happened now is that you have capital
unchained capital, without any capital, without any any responsibility to
a land, to a people, to anything anything sacred, anything divine.
(33:49):
Right now it's it's out there. It's now it's dictating
to governments what they can and cannot do. Now it's
through you know, through the IMF and the World Bank
and through you know, intelligence agencies. I mean this was seen,
this was the CIA, or over the past one hundred years,
they were effectively, you know, I end hitmen, I end
you know, body guys going around pushing pushing corporate interest
(34:15):
on on South America, on on Africa. And this was
so that companies had a had an upper hand in
in that in that region. Right. So, so it's really
it transcends and it's it's about understanding why certain structures
(34:38):
aren't necessarily the right way to be doing things and
who those structures are benefit. You know, who those structures
are benefiting.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Okay, so here's the question. We've talked to a lot
of generalities here, Okay, yes, so let's talk about the individual.
I know that as you've worked with individuals, you've really
helped to impact their lives. And I'd love for you
to share number one, yea, how how do you help
them on an individual basis to deprogram from all of
(35:06):
these societal interests and conditioning And is there a story
that you can share without naming names, of where you've
been able to actually help someone through that deprogramming really
make a change in their life.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So it's what's interesting is when you try to talk
to people about these issues, what you find is that
and this is I think, I think this is just
kind of basic human nature. But when you when you
pierce somebody's veil and and and people kind of think
to themselves, you know, wait, has everything that I've thought
(35:45):
to be true not true? You know? Am I living
my life in a way that I should be. Some
people look at it as as a constructive exercise. Other
people are are, you know, kind of can't that it's
very scary for them to take that leap to the
other side. Right. But but one story that I think
(36:08):
is worth speaking to is actually with my with my
own mother and I I really for for years I
have been speaking to her about how the corporations have
infiltrated our our our food system and in the States,
and you have companies like you know, Monsanto for example,
(36:29):
where they came out and they were using pesticides that
killed the insects and the crops, and as a result,
they patented and sold their own GMO seeds, and those
GMO seeds could now withstand the pesticides, specifically glycostate, which
is used It's a it's a they call it, you know,
a might be carcinogen, but I think that the data
(36:51):
speaks for itself and also has terrible impact on on
on the the human the endocrine system, the reproduct the system,
the microbiome in people's stomachs. So so it's it's just
a it's a tragic situation, but people are not aware
of this. So so anyway, I really started pushing on
(37:14):
my mother. I said, you know, please stop eating non
organic produce. Please don't buy GMO products because this stuff
is this glyphas sate garbage is in everything, especially in
the States. I think it's in The numbers are crazy,
like of all corn, corn and soybean product is GMO
(37:36):
laiden with glyphysate. Wow, this WASN'TO. This was into stack foods, uh,
pepper farm goldfish, cheerios. I mean, this isn't stuff we
feed our children. Uh. The the wheat is just is
just bounded with stuff and people don't associate or know.
And and I and I begged my mother and I
(37:58):
would send her articles and I would center And this
at the time was fringe. I mean we we saw
a big exposa recently, but this was very kind of
French thinking. And and I said to her and she
was actually she had a macrobiotic macrobiotic diet when she
was younger, so I thought it would resonate with her,
but it took me a long time to convince her
to make that change. And I think that I think
(38:19):
that you know that that's one way. So it's really
it's starting with giving people practical things that impact their
daily lives that aren't that aren't so woo woo. Where
if you know, if I go up someone and say listen,
I know you think that you're just this material being
that's going to die and nothing happens after. I mean,
it's tough to really get people to want to jump
(38:39):
into that ship, right, So so I kind of try
to start with with stuff and impact them on a
on a on a daily basis. And and and you
know that we go to the health industry and how
that shifted dramatically by the industrialists. You know, the American
Medical Association was set up, but it was a bs
B S association Rockefeller and and the Fuctional Report of
(39:03):
nineteen ten. I mean, you go back and you really
see what allopathic medicine does and did and why it
was introduced a full rejection of holistic and homeopathic approaches
to medicine. Nutrition through medicine I mean, or medicine through nutrition.
I mean, that's the hack, right. If you eat well,
your body is built to take care of itself on
(39:23):
a you know, on a fundamental level. That obviously there
are outliers there, but so this whole way of thinking, right,
if you can again start small and start showing people,
you know, piece of information, allow them to make certain changes,
I think that's the way you do it. My mother
I was able to after a couple of years, finally
get her to start making these changes and remarkably, and
(39:44):
this is the truth, what she cites has changed in
her life are insane, from increased clarity to you know,
from talking about the problems with alcohol consumption, I mean,
just stopping drinking and not eating geno product and culture
processed foods. So it's not necessarily the all the information
(40:05):
behind how you know, the tobacco industry penetrated the food
industry between the you know, the nineteen eighties and two
thousands with craft Nabisco, it's not necessarily going into those
detailed with some people, some people you know, that works
well for them, but it's about getting people to make
all changes that they can on a practical level in
their lives and hoping that you know, the bet pays
(40:26):
off that don't start feeling it and experiencing it.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So how do you how do you help people? Because
when you get even deeper, and obviously you're talking about
some things that are really tough to change, just like nutrition,
no question about that. But as you think about even
deeper aspects, you talk about religion and the effects that
religion has had on people's mentality and self worth, in
(40:53):
many cases very positive and in many cases very negative,
particularly as I've interviewed so many people and that seems
to be one primary situation. Or you have childhood trauma,
childhood experiences that get embedded in that subconscious mind. How
do you even go there? Have you tried to help
(41:14):
people to get to that point where they understand that,
you know what, I'm not even living my own life.
I am I'm living society's life. I'm living someone else's life.
How do you help them to get to the point
where as you talk about spirituality they really come back
to the point that hey, this is who I am
and this is who I can be, and it's just
(41:35):
a matter of starting to eliminate all of this junk
that's been put on us.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I think it's difficult because in many ways you
have to you have to kind of be sensitive to
where you're looking to attack or approach, because, for example,
there are many ardent believers in Jesus, for example, right
in the world of Jesus, and there is such for so, I,
although I don't believe that Jesus is the son of God,
(42:03):
I believe that the teachings that you find his teachings
right are hugely beneficial and speak truth. Right. So if
you have somebody who you know, who maybe doesn't fully
understand the truth behind this Jesus figure, but can appreciate
the teachings, you know, it's to me, it's like, you know,
pick your poison here, or choose your battles wisely, because
(42:25):
I think that they're getting something beneficial from it. Now,
if you're people who are you know, kind of like
in a zombie like state, believing that they're going to
that they're going to find salvation through going robotically to
church or to temple or praying, three becomes the date
of Mecca, you know, those people are not going to
get to a touch on spirituality. They're like kind of
(42:49):
like a greyhound on a racetrack. They're chasing this bunny.
They don't know that. They think they're going to get
there as long as they kiss the ring and go
to mass. But they're never going to get there, right.
They only get there if they allow themselves to understand
the true history of their religion. Uh, and understand what
true spirituality is and just very quickly, and I'll kind
(43:11):
of answer your question better. I know that wasn't necessarily
what you're looking for. But you know, people nowadays say,
you know, we're in a good trajectory. You know, people
are rejecting religion. They're they're they're gravitating towards spirituality. And
I have two things to say to that. One thing
is yes. But you know, I call the popes like
the wizards. I call them like the Wizard of Oz.
You know, they cast their spell and in doing so,
(43:35):
the Christian faith. The ite of Americas is a Christian country.
They are the bedrock of our civilization cross continents. Their
belief system, their way of viewing the world, their way
of structuring is the underbelly of even political ideology. Political
(43:55):
you know, great thinkers, John Locke, Thomas Hobbs. I mean,
these guys were these guys were.
Speaker 8 (43:59):
The bedrock of of of the decoration of independence in
our constitution. They were the they were the great minds
that structure and they were and they were Christians, right,
So so it's very difficult to separate that from today.
So so people don't understand that.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
They think that, you know, oh, they're rejecting the institution
of the church, therefore things are on the right path. No,
that's not what's going on, right, That's just not the reality.
And I just I just lost my other train of
thought here. But but but a.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That's the point being obviously that values, if we get
to the deep values, as you say, get back historically,
the values are taught very similarly from all different religions,
they just are.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
And yet for some reason we've tended to lost that.
Now we're we're running out time, my friend. Yes, sorry, sorry,
So a couple of questions. Number one, how do people
find your podcast?
Speaker 4 (45:08):
My podcast is across all platforms, so you can find
it on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, Amazon, iHeart. It's called The
Evault Podcast with Aaron Scott. I would love for you
to tune in listen. I think that there's a lot
of information I put out there that's perspective shifting, and
I think that it'll be worth your time.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Okay, And if you could leave one final message with
the audience, what would that be.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
One final message would be to question ask questions like why,
how create curiosity and look to look for answers, look
to improve yourself through that endeavor. That would be my message.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I love it, and you know what, curiosity is such
an important thing and it's fascinating to me. And we
are going to close because we've run out of time.
But the one thing that comes to my mind is
I've interviewed so many people such as yourself and others.
You know, they've had this incredible life as far as professionally,
and yet somewhere along the line that curiosity has caused
(46:13):
them to go beyond that economic aspect to where they're
now looking at that spirituality, they're looking at that transformation.
And so I appreciate what you're doing, and I hope
that people come on your podcast because I think they'll
get some great value. I've looked at some of them,
and I think that you know, the topics are just fantastic,
(46:33):
So Aaron, thanks so much for being.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
On the show. Thank you for having me really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
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Speaker 4 (00:57):
Allo, Doctor Derek, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh, I'm excited. You know, interesting topic and probably going
to be an interesting number of topics that we're going
to talk about today. I'd love for you to share
with the audience who you are, because I know you
have an incredible background on Wall Street and suddenly now
here you're doing your podcast, which my impression is it's
entirely different than Wall Street, so maybe a little bit
(01:21):
of it, but share with the audience who you are,
what you've done in the past, and what brought you
to this point where you're doing your podcast, which is
Evolved Podcast, right.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, the Evolved Podcast is the name of the podcast.
It's recently been changed. Originally titled The Manhattan Profit. I
found people were sort of gravitating to it for looking
for something kind of religious, which is really not what
it is if it's if you listen to it, which
I know you have, and I felt that it needs
to be rebranded a little bit just to fully encompass what,
(01:57):
you know, what what the podcast is about. So yeah, so,
you know, kind of very quickly, I've I've been on
Wall Street for about two decades. I've kind of you know,
I started as a uh, you know, low level analyst
about you know, twenty years ago, and I've kind of
ascended to the point where I was able to to
(02:19):
co found and and manage as a manji partner in
my own hedge fund. So I've really kind of seen
it all, been there, and it's it's really I think
a combination of my innate desire from a in the
early age to understand things, you know, why things are
(02:39):
the way they are in the world, why systems are
set up the way they are, you know, to the
to the basic why people hold the belief systems that
they do right. And I kind of went on the
the the path of Wall Street because I was always
interested in how the you know, the corporations work. I
remember I remember watching on CNBC, you know, kind of
(03:02):
all the numbers go across the screen, you know, the
stock markets and things like that. I was interested what
the heck that was and that, you know, that along
with a desire to make money, obviously drove me to
the industry. And I think that you know, the the
innate desire and curiosity, interest and my experience has really
(03:24):
given me a very interesting perspective, if you will, on
a lot of the topics I discuss, and I think
has cultivated a again again unique understanding and something that
I hope, you know, my listeners and this conversation with
your listeners is impactful.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, and how how did you come up with your podcast?
And obviously the focus is, as you say, more on
the you know people and so forth. What how did
you come up with the podcast idea and motivation for that.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah. So look again, my journey, I would say, in
in discovery and in really in truth was to get
a proper construct understanding for the way society is structured,
the way people decide or elect to do things. And
it's it's taken me across a number of platitudes. Has
(04:20):
taken me from you know, looking into belief systems too,
economic systems, to social systems, to you know, delving into
ancient knowledge to modern day religious institutions. What what you
find is and and I actually remarkable is how the
different topics or issues, if you will, transcend multiple planes.
(04:44):
This is kind of a constant theme where anything from
a metaphysical understanding to a you know, self identity understanding
to social systems in our society, right. It really, it's
it's a very interestingly surprisingly linear sort of relationship. And
I think that as I especially you know, especially through
(05:06):
my experience at Wall Street and seeing that end of
things and seeing kind of you know, the society that
that I'm a part of, it really gave me a
very interesting understanding. And and and my and my topics,
I would say, are really rooted in providing people with
a lot of knowledge, the most importantly perspective, and letting
(05:30):
people have the tools to look at these different topics
in a unique way that they that they maybe wouldn't
have or haven't before. And as and as I say,
I think that it's really with giving people perspective and
hoping that that sort of aha moment takes place and
that resonates with them in some way they can make
(05:51):
connection and then they can maybe look into other other
topics like that. So so yeah, that's I guess that's
that's kind of high level.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, And you know, it's so interesting. Every once in
a while, I'm you know, I do a lot of
social media stuff with my podcast, so I'm on there
once in a while, and every once in a while
I'll see something on say TikTok and it's like really
and so I'll you know, do a little research on
(06:19):
it and it's absolutely not true, and yet the person
who's speaking seems to really believe it. So when we
start talking about perception and quote truth and reality, that
gets to be a very very confusing situation.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
It really is, and it's important to you know, taking
a step back. We kind of live in especially in
the West, with dealing with this kind of fractured truth apparatus,
right where we have institutions, government, the medical industry, healthcare industry,
education systems that are really supposed us to be at
(07:01):
the bedrock of this kind of push for truth, to
enlighten people, to help people, to provide people with the
necessary information to make the right decisions in their lives. Right,
they're protected serve. We want to create, you know, good
stewards of society, things of that nature. We want to
make sure people's health is always at the forefront. Right.
But what's happened is you have a sort of these
(07:24):
capitalist interests that come in and they taint the information
that's being sent out, and it's for their own agendas, right.
And this and this is really what a lot that
I talk about, which is you have a society that
has really inovertly people don't realize this, but overtly been
structured around a capitalist mindset, right, where the end justifies
(07:49):
the means, where capital is king. And this creates a
pervasive decay on a societal level. And then what happens
is when you have people and this sort of makes sense, right,
but I don't think people pick up on it necessarily
when you have those belief systems. So when you have
(08:09):
those values in society, when when capitalism and your job
and corporate interests create effectively the values, it impacts the
individual's belief systems. It interpacts the individual's sense of self
and identity. Right, And this is really what I'm getting
what I'm hammering home, and I'm hoping to enlighten people
to where they might not necessarily understand why they believe
(08:32):
the things that they do or live their lives the
way that they do. And what I have found, and again,
it's important to be diligent in and having the right
framework for discerning truth because to your point, there's a
lot of people out there who makes, you know, statements
with such confidence, but you know when you look into it,
(08:53):
it's readily apparent that it's just not the truth. Right.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, go ahead, go ahead, No,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What I was going to say is I remember saying
that I got when I went back to business school,
and truth is what truth is for you, And you
know that that's a belief. That's that's the saying. But
from what I'm hearing you say, and quite Frankly, what
I believe is that truth is merely a result. Truth
(09:23):
to us is merely a result of our perception of
what's going on. And what you're saying is particularly this
capitalistic concept is overpowering things to the point where we
are kind of programmed to believe a certain way to
live a certain way, when in fact that's not really
(09:43):
quote the truth, right exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And I think that Look, and I don't know how
much I don't know, homut time you spend between your
respective places, which are very different from you know, from
a demo, from a demographic and from a cultural standpoint, right. So,
but but especially in the way you have over let's
just look over the over the last you know, you know,
one hundred years, right, you had this overt push through
(10:11):
the you know, the industrial revolution with you know, the
robber barons and the industrialists who you know who through
I mean that they formed overtly on the open the
education system in the United States. This is this is
the system that we still use to this day, right.
And what you find is that the and they were outspoken,
(10:33):
the underlying the tenets of this system was not to
create I think they quote, you know, philosophers or you know,
men of letters and lawyers and doctors. It was to
create docile workers who would lend themselves well to the
industrialist framework, right, and the bureaucratic framework. This is what
they were creating. And the curriculum which was formed around
(10:55):
the eighteenth century Prussian model, was in fact to do
just that. So think, let's take us at back. Think
about this. If you're if you're, if you're growing up
in America, you're going to schools, going to school everything.
You know, everybody's talking about the same fads and this
and the that, and you've got all these things around
with you know, you're a teenager. You don't you don't
(11:16):
ever kind of take a step back and say, wait
a minute, you know, why am I learning things a
way that I am? Why am I sitting at a
desk at the age of eight for six hours a
day memorizing, learning, never questioning? You know, you never question
what you learn. You never questioned beliefs. You memorize beliefs,
You memorize and regurgitate. Right, you're you're you, You've been
(11:38):
you've been schooled across you know, you've been in schooled
for a while. So you understand how it works. Right,
You you go and you memorize things and you regurg
you and then then you get an A or a
B or a C, whatever the grade is. That's not
how the real world works. The real world works is
you go out there, you screw up, you fail, you
figure out what you did wrong, you get back up
and get it again. You know, every successful person, myself included,
(11:58):
the reason that there's success is because of their perseverance
and their desire to transcend whatever the setback is, right
it you don't succeed, you don't become successful ute unquote
successful unless you go through that that push and pull. Right.
But but the framework you get, and this is just one
example I know you get from from that indoctrination is
(12:21):
vastly different from not only the real world, but from
many other ways of viewing the world. Right. So, if
you if you're corralled down this down this path, you again,
you're you're you're fed a very and then you get
the society as a backroup where where it's very much
a materialist, consumerist driven mindset. People don't see themselves as
(12:41):
spiritual beings, they see themselves as material beings. The sciences
teach you that you know, everything's everything's material. This is
not we talk about truth and not true, but this
is not true, right, this is this is just not
the truth. And we've discovered this right through quantum physics
recently where but there's been a lot discovered recently in
(13:02):
proto physics. But you know where we learn everything is
vibration and energy. Well, this is vastly different from what
you're taught for twelve years and in basic side right,
so so, but it's you know, it's these little things
that add up and they shape and form your sense
of self and then again the way society views itself
and how and then that impacts how you know, they
(13:24):
live their lives and their behavior. Right, they live their
lives in many ways through repetition and appetite. They don't
necessarily or reflex in appetite and repetition, they don't they
don't necessarily take a step back again and see the
big picture in what they are and then come to
understand the different ways that they might you know, live
their lives as a result.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, so you talk about education, and you went back
quite a ways to the industrial agent and so forth.
I'm going to hit you with the education presently, what
are your thoughts on what's going on there?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Remarkably you've seen very little change, which I think is
lematic and I think it speaks to a lot of
what I'm saying where you see these and on a
grander scale, if you look at the evolution of the
human being relative to you know, technological advancements, advancements across
specific industries or or market sectors, right, I mean, look
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at the amount of investment and from infrastructure to R
and D. Well, where are we now as human beings?
Have we evolved? My contention is that we have not evolved.
In fact, we may have devolved. We are. Health is
the worst physical and mental we are. We have bloated
(14:39):
debt burden we have. I think we have the highest
levels of in the States, we have the highest levels
of consumer credit card debt I think since nineteen ninety
nine by way of the Federals a make of New York.
I mean, so if you look across a number of
different planes here and you kind of have to kind
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of begs the question, you know, what has been our focus?
What has been what have we decided to place our
energy and attention too? And and and I think what
you find is that it's it's through accumulating money, it's
through working, and it's through consumption. This is not, in
my opinion, the way that we should be structuring society.
(15:23):
And if you go back and you look at you know,
the the ancient ancient teachings and even the and even
the fundamental tenets of of of uh, you know, Abrahamic religions,
this was not the way people wanted to live. There
a lot of instructions their lives and this isn't necessarily
the way that we should be, right, it's yeah. So,
and and what's interesting is and you also see and
(15:45):
that I speak to this, you talk, you know, you
see people who are you know, they're there their pessimis,
their their pessimists, and they're kind of overwhelmed and they
feel like we're in this matrix and you know that
there's too much to overcome. There's too much corruption. Then
there's there's too much that's been infiltrated. And they're kind
of like they put their hands up and they say,
(16:05):
you know, it is really like I can't do anything.
A lot of what I'm doing is I'm trying to
make people reassess that belief, because that's just not the
way they should be thinking. And I don't want to
be dogmatic, but it's just it's it doesn't, it's not
it doesn't lend itself to anything positive. And in truth,
if you look at the systems, right, the systems themselves
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are not inherently evil. It's the consciousness beneath those systems.
It's the people within those systems that have decided that
this is how our education system should be structured, this
is how our healthcare system should be structured, this is
how our government should be structured. Now, so you we
do have we in fact do have the power, right,
we have the power to make changes. And and people say, oh,
(16:50):
well there's so much corruption. Well guess what if if
people decide that they're not going to take the kickback,
they're not going to take the bribe. Right, This requires
a paradigm shift and and thought and and it's about
it's about coming to these realizations. And you come to
these realizations by way of awakening people too. I believe
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these facts, and.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, in that we are Yeah, yeah, let's let's talk
about you know, the societal conditioning, because you know, you're
talking about economics you're talking about education, but there's a
whole plethora of societal conditioning that goes on besides those.
And as you've as you've been doing your podcasts and
interviewing people and so forth, what what would you identify
(17:35):
as the major societal conditioning items that are going on?
And you mentioned religion, so that's obviously one of them,
But what are some of the other ones that you
see besides just the economics and the education.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I think that in the in the in the Western
societal construct, I think that the main driver is money.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And I think that, and I think that has perverted
and infiltrated everything from from every sacred institution to people's
identity and and self awareness.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I think that. And it's not necessarily Again, this is
important to to state, it's not necessarily like people are
just you know, dreedy, and they just want more and
more and more. And they people really by virtue of
the of the way things are set up, the systems
for who benefits who doesn't. People have to take on
(18:36):
this this mentality because if they don't, they can't survive.
Right you you you in the West, you you must
plug into the system in order to to to live.
You know, you have some not everybody has he has
the fortune of being able to start a company that's
hugely successful, or to go to medical school and and
pursue their dreams as a as a physician. The vast
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majority must take a low wage job, a low wage
job whose wage is not that necessarily determined by the
right factors. We should be paying people more money. There
should be there should be a universal basic income. When
we're spending six trillion a year on you know, f fall,
(19:22):
I mean, just just absolute garbage right around the world.
We are taking you know, taxpayer dollars, and we are
forcing Western Western hegemony down down the world's throats as
we have been for for decades. When we are when
we've elected to allow corporations to harvest and extract with
(19:43):
you know, without any checks and balances, because again capitalist
king and at least at least in this in this world.
So so we need to and I believe that we
need to start in lightning people, giving them, giving them
complete information and allowing them to make a decision about
how they want to live their lives. If they're don't
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given knowledge or at least perspective. To your point, we
don't make that leap. We don't make that jump. And
I think that we are now as you've seen, especially
with what's been revealed by the recent administration. And I'm
not trying to get political. I'm talking about facts here. Wow,
the level of depravity and deception and decay that has
taken place as a result is just it's it's astounding,
(20:25):
it's it's it's it's disgusting, and it's it's a it
really it really only kind of further legitimizes. I believe
what my effort is in many people's efforts are and
giving and giving people different perspectives and different ways of
viewing themselves in the world around them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, and you know, as you talk about the economics
and measure driving force, and I don't disagree with you.
I think that that has a lot to do with it.
But for people's lives, there's so many other elements.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That go on.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, you you have, as you mentioned the word spirituality,
and I want, I want for you to define for
the audience what you mean by spirituality, because you talked
about the Aprahamic covenand and you know that type of thing.
But you know, people have lost quote their spirituality to
such a large degree. And what what is your definition
(21:17):
of spirituality?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Number one?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And then number two? Why have we lost that in
general in society Now people say that's not true, But
go ahead, I would.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Say that is true. I think, I think that that's
a big component here, right, I think that when you
know I have always associated by virtue of my own
you know, of my own doctrination, I've always associated spirituality
with religion. Right. However, as you peel back the layers
of the onion, if you will, what you find is
that that is, it's quite it's in many ways the
(21:52):
exact opposite of religion. And if you look back again,
if you look back at ancient that ancient knowledge, if
you go back to the right, go back to even
even in many ways the Greeks the Sumerians that there
was an understanding, a scientific understanding, that that spirituality wasn't
(22:13):
just about a mystical transcendence. It was it was a
part and parcel to our scientific understanding of the world. Now,
maybe the way that they were expressing this relationship doesn't
necessarily resonate with people's consciousness today. But but spirituality again, transcends,
transcends planes where you know, I believe that we are
(22:40):
all you know, spiritual beings living in a material realm,
if you will, I believe that we are all part
of a sort of universal consciousness getting to know itself
through different faculties and experiences. You know, we live in
this realm, and it's it's about connect It's about our
connection to one another, recognizing this this universal wellness, and
(23:02):
it's about experiencing that, experiencing yourself on a higher plane,
making that connection and saying, look, I'm not just this
dusts in the wind, entity that goes around, dies, goes
in the ground. And that was it.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
That was fun.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Right. This is not that, this is not, in my opinion,
right in my belief, the way it is. And this
is this is substantiated and legitimized through again ancient teachings,
through really basic basic doctrine that you actually find when
you when you go back into the old teachings, the
original teachings of a lot of these Abrahamic faiths, you
(23:36):
find that link. You find that connection. And this goes
across Eastern philosophy, this goes into again the Abrahamic faiths.
There are so many commonalities, there are so many common links.
They are expressed differently because there are different cultures. But
people don't realize that people. People are so segmented, people
are so disconnected. Right. So so again I hope that
answers a question I can. I can give you more there,
(23:58):
but I think on a basic level that that's really
what it's about. It's about and it's about a personal
connection to that realm, a personal connection to that field
of experience. This is what real spirituality is. And just
very quickly, but if you look at you know, one
over example, if you'l like the Catholic Church for example, right,
(24:19):
and and their origin and and even even in the
Jewish and Islamic place, you you have this embedded patriarchy, right, Well,
why do we have this embedded patriarchy? What was the reason? Well,
the reason was there was a a rejection of of
the feminine goddess, right it was. And this was again
this is a function of of of societal, economic sort
(24:40):
of empire driving factors. But the sacred feminine was was
the mystical, spiritual part of consciousness. Right. The the male
was the you know, logical rational And there are many
ways of expressing this. This was expressed differently across you know,
many different civilizations. But but this was rejected, right, and
(25:00):
this was because I believe, and this was this moved
all way into the into the Renaissance ages of the
Enlightenment periods in Europe. I mean, the reject anything other
than a materialist or to be because you had to
access the divine, the spiritual, the mystical through this, you know,
this institution.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Right, And it's interesting. It's interesting. I didn't mean to
interrupt there, but as I've looked at it. For instance,
today I was just looking at an article and it
was fascinating to me because what you say about losing
the feminine part of it, you know, and you know
that heavenly mother or however you want to refer to that.
(25:39):
It was interesting because you know, in many of the scriptures,
particularly for Christianity, you know, man is the head of
the is the head of the wife. Well you get
into the original meaning of that Greek and what does
it mean? He is the source? In other words, they're coequal,
but he is this, you know, apparently, but he's there
(26:02):
to be coequal with his wife and to support. And
what I have found is that it's fascinating how the
words that have been used, for instance, in English. And
I was talking to some religious young men yesterday and
talking about the fact that okay, you know, what does
it mean?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
What does it mean to sin?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And they were going on. I said, well, what's the
original Greek word or better what perfection? You know, be
there for perfect? What's the better word for that? And
they go, I don't know. I said, well, bottom line
is if you get to the original Greek it's complete.
Well that changes the whole perception and truth of be
(26:49):
complete rather than be perfect. And then what was interesting?
And I said, so, how does that? How does that
equate into tie? And because he speaks Thai, and he says,
you know, it's interesting. They don't have a word for
perfect in Thai. He says, it's more along the line
(27:10):
of complete. So is fascinating to me that when we
look at modern day religion. In fact, what's really interesting
to me is, you know, we talk about spirituality, we
talk about goodness, we talk about that innate divine within us,
and yet all I see so much is Catholics, this,
(27:32):
Baptists that, Mormons, that Islam that and so on and
so forth. And it's like here they are saying that
they happen to belong to these various faiths and religions,
and yet the very thing that is, as you say,
taught from the foundation going back, and you're right, I
(27:52):
studied it. You look at Christianity, you look at Islam,
you look at Buddhism, you look at Hinduism. Guess what
they all have basically the same truths that have been
taught if you get to the root cause and teachings.
So it's interesting to me that somewhere along the line
people have lost this concept of honoring other people. I
(28:15):
was fascinated when I when I'm here in Thailand and
I went to one particular temple area and as i
was walking in, there was this other building on temple grounds,
the Buddhist temple, and I'm going, what's that? And the
guy said, oh, that's that's a Muslim temple, and I'm going, really,
And what they've done is they incorporate and welcome everyone
(28:39):
all different religions. And you don't see that, you know,
that vehement kind of I'm kindness that exists and well
you're right and I'm wrong, or I'm right, you're wrong,
and type of thing. What has happened to us spiritually.
Why why has that happened? In your opinion?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, And I think that this is this is the
I mean, is recording a multifaceted answer, But I think
that I think what you're touching on. I think that
it speaks to this sort of identity crisis that I
call it, where you have people that are identifying through
the systems that we've created my country, my religion, my
(29:19):
big house, you know, my big paycheck, my job. But
people don't realize that's not who they are, right, not
even and let's take this at a level deeper, their thoughts,
their emotions, those are not you either, right, you are
having your emotions and your thoughts. So when you have
people and again this could be understood to be a
(29:39):
part of this materialist understanding where when you're looking to
identify and find meaning even in the world around you
and of yourself, well, what are you going to do
if you don't have the spiritual question? You're going to
gravitate towards the things that you do in the world. Right, Again,
that you're misidentifying with these uh externalized ideas or or systems. Right.
(30:04):
So I think that's that's a big part about it
where you have this this fractured understanding. And also and
people are in many ways unconscious of this, and they
look and they're also blinded by you know, oh this
guy has a different skin color. Oh, this guy speaks
a different language. Oh this is there's a different culture here.
So people are almost you know, they think by virtual
(30:27):
of what the individual looks like. Again, a materialist understanding
of the world. This guy is so different from me,
this guy's is it? But guess what, they're not so
different from you. We're all we all have the same faculties,
we all. We all perceive things the same way, effectively
taste things the same way. We all you know, we
all uh. And again at the core of our systems,
(30:49):
we all these were perverted, but we we all believe
in the same fundamental things.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
So it's important again in this effort to get people
to to think critically, to question, to develop a curiosity
if they don't have one, and hopefully in doing so
they begin to look into you know, inherited belief systems.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Uh, what I call to be things that are that
are understood to be divine but are just never checked right.
The way that one lives their life. Oh, which is
everyone else are doing? This is the way society is,
this is what this is what you're supposed to be doing.
Why well, why are you supposed to what if it
doesn't lend itself properly to you? Right and and something
that you can see right away, right on a very
(31:32):
basic level, if you look at students who don't let's say,
tests well on the S A T or the MCAT
or whatever whatever standardized test, it is, well, these people
are not necessarily not intelligent. Not what it shows you
is that the test itself is flawed. It's not accounting
(31:54):
for the wide spectrum of intelligence. It's it's it's the
still willing certain certain abilities, you know, logical deductibilities that
will work well within the contract of our socioeconomic you know, uh, infrastructure,
if you will, but they will be able to excel
(32:16):
in jobs that you don't require these skills. But that
right there, you are cutting people off right there and
telling them that you're not smart enough, worthy enough, uh.
And that is why you are not getting the A
or getting the great uh standardized test score. Right. So
(32:38):
so it's really and I believe again if you it
keeps going back to this misunderstood sense of self, misunderstood identity,
materialists driven by default way of viewing yourself and the
world around you. And this is I just I just
had an episode of this. But if you look at globalism, right,
if you really globalism is telling people it's that it's that,
(33:02):
you know, capitalism used to be, you know, a system
where people were expressing the liberal idea. Liberal not being
you know, democrat, republican. Liberal being really liberal is about
you know, individual self interests being tantamount to everything else. Right,
So you had the liberal ideal as the driver, the
liberal deals a driver, and that would bring the individual
(33:25):
and society as a whole up. It was about the
people living in a certain region and if they if
they follow along this way of conducting commerce and living
amongst one another, that was the best way to do
the world. What's happened now is that you have capital
unchained capital, without any capital, without any any responsibility to
a land, to a people, to anything anything sacred, anything divine.
(33:49):
Right now it's it's out there. It's now it's dictating
to governments what they can and cannot do. Now it's
through you know, through the IMF and the World Bank
and through you know, intelligence agencies. I mean this was seen,
this was the CIA, or over the past one hundred years,
they were effectively, you know, I end hitmen, I end
you know, body guys going around pushing pushing corporate interest
(34:15):
on on South America, on on Africa. And this was
so that companies had a had an upper hand in
in that in that region. Right. So, so it's really
it transcends and it's it's about understanding why certain structures
(34:38):
aren't necessarily the right way to be doing things and
who those structures are benefit. You know, who those structures
are benefiting.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Okay, so here's the question. We've talked to a lot
of generalities here, Okay, yes, so let's talk about the individual.
I know that as you've worked with individuals, you've really
helped to impact their lives. And I'd love for you
to share number one, yea, how how do you help
them on an individual basis to deprogram from all of
(35:06):
these societal interests and conditioning And is there a story
that you can share without naming names, of where you've
been able to actually help someone through that deprogramming really
make a change in their life.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So it's what's interesting is when you try to talk
to people about these issues, what you find is that
and this is I think, I think this is just
kind of basic human nature. But when you when you
pierce somebody's veil and and and people kind of think
to themselves, you know, wait, has everything that I've thought
(35:45):
to be true not true? You know? Am I living
my life in a way that I should be. Some
people look at it as as a constructive exercise. Other
people are are, you know, kind of can't that it's
very scary for them to take that leap to the
other side. Right. But but one story that I think
(36:08):
is worth speaking to is actually with my with my
own mother and I I really for for years I
have been speaking to her about how the corporations have
infiltrated our our our food system and in the States,
and you have companies like you know, Monsanto for example,
(36:29):
where they came out and they were using pesticides that
killed the insects and the crops, and as a result,
they patented and sold their own GMO seeds, and those
GMO seeds could now withstand the pesticides, specifically glycostate, which
is used It's a it's a they call it, you know,
a might be carcinogen, but I think that the data
(36:51):
speaks for itself and also has terrible impact on on
on the the human the endocrine system, the reproduct the system,
the microbiome in people's stomachs. So so it's it's just
a it's a tragic situation, but people are not aware
of this. So so anyway, I really started pushing on
(37:14):
my mother. I said, you know, please stop eating non
organic produce. Please don't buy GMO products because this stuff
is this glyphas sate garbage is in everything, especially in
the States. I think it's in The numbers are crazy,
like of all corn, corn and soybean product is GMO
(37:36):
laiden with glyphysate. Wow, this WASN'TO. This was into stack foods, uh,
pepper farm goldfish, cheerios. I mean, this isn't stuff we
feed our children. Uh. The the wheat is just is
just bounded with stuff and people don't associate or know.
And and I and I begged my mother and I
(37:58):
would send her articles and I would center And this
at the time was fringe. I mean we we saw
a big exposa recently, but this was very kind of
French thinking. And and I said to her and she
was actually she had a macrobiotic macrobiotic diet when she
was younger, so I thought it would resonate with her,
but it took me a long time to convince her
to make that change. And I think that I think
(38:19):
that you know that that's one way. So it's really
it's starting with giving people practical things that impact their
daily lives that aren't that aren't so woo woo. Where
if you know, if I go up someone and say listen,
I know you think that you're just this material being
that's going to die and nothing happens after. I mean,
it's tough to really get people to want to jump
(38:39):
into that ship, right, So so I kind of try
to start with with stuff and impact them on a
on a on a daily basis. And and and you
know that we go to the health industry and how
that shifted dramatically by the industrialists. You know, the American
Medical Association was set up, but it was a bs
B S association Rockefeller and and the Fuctional Report of
(39:03):
nineteen ten. I mean, you go back and you really
see what allopathic medicine does and did and why it
was introduced a full rejection of holistic and homeopathic approaches
to medicine. Nutrition through medicine I mean, or medicine through nutrition.
I mean, that's the hack, right. If you eat well,
your body is built to take care of itself on
(39:23):
a you know, on a fundamental level. That obviously there
are outliers there, but so this whole way of thinking, right,
if you can again start small and start showing people,
you know, piece of information, allow them to make certain changes,
I think that's the way you do it. My mother
I was able to after a couple of years, finally
get her to start making these changes and remarkably, and
(39:44):
this is the truth, what she cites has changed in
her life are insane, from increased clarity to you know,
from talking about the problems with alcohol consumption, I mean,
just stopping drinking and not eating geno product and culture
processed foods. So it's not necessarily the all the information
(40:05):
behind how you know, the tobacco industry penetrated the food
industry between the you know, the nineteen eighties and two
thousands with craft Nabisco, it's not necessarily going into those
detailed with some people, some people you know, that works
well for them, but it's about getting people to make
all changes that they can on a practical level in
their lives and hoping that you know, the bet pays
(40:26):
off that don't start feeling it and experiencing it.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So how do you how do you help people? Because
when you get even deeper, and obviously you're talking about
some things that are really tough to change, just like nutrition,
no question about that. But as you think about even
deeper aspects, you talk about religion and the effects that
religion has had on people's mentality and self worth, in
(40:53):
many cases very positive and in many cases very negative,
particularly as I've interviewed so many people and that seems
to be one primary situation. Or you have childhood trauma,
childhood experiences that get embedded in that subconscious mind. How
do you even go there? Have you tried to help
(41:14):
people to get to that point where they understand that,
you know what, I'm not even living my own life.
I am I'm living society's life. I'm living someone else's life.
How do you help them to get to the point
where as you talk about spirituality they really come back
to the point that hey, this is who I am
and this is who I can be, and it's just
(41:35):
a matter of starting to eliminate all of this junk
that's been put on us.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I think it's difficult because in many ways you
have to you have to kind of be sensitive to
where you're looking to attack or approach, because, for example,
there are many ardent believers in Jesus, for example, right
in the world of Jesus, and there is such for so, I,
although I don't believe that Jesus is the son of God,
(42:03):
I believe that the teachings that you find his teachings
right are hugely beneficial and speak truth. Right. So if
you have somebody who you know, who maybe doesn't fully
understand the truth behind this Jesus figure, but can appreciate
the teachings, you know, it's to me, it's like, you know,
pick your poison here, or choose your battles wisely, because
(42:25):
I think that they're getting something beneficial from it. Now,
if you're people who are you know, kind of like
in a zombie like state, believing that they're going to
that they're going to find salvation through going robotically to
church or to temple or praying, three becomes the date
of Mecca, you know, those people are not going to
get to a touch on spirituality. They're like kind of
(42:49):
like a greyhound on a racetrack. They're chasing this bunny.
They don't know that. They think they're going to get
there as long as they kiss the ring and go
to mass. But they're never going to get there, right.
They only get there if they allow themselves to understand
the true history of their religion. Uh, and understand what
true spirituality is and just very quickly, and I'll kind
(43:11):
of answer your question better. I know that wasn't necessarily
what you're looking for. But you know, people nowadays say,
you know, we're in a good trajectory. You know, people
are rejecting religion. They're they're they're gravitating towards spirituality. And
I have two things to say to that. One thing
is yes. But you know, I call the popes like
the wizards. I call them like the Wizard of Oz.
You know, they cast their spell and in doing so,
(43:35):
the Christian faith. The ite of Americas is a Christian country.
They are the bedrock of our civilization cross continents. Their
belief system, their way of viewing the world, their way
of structuring is the underbelly of even political ideology. Political
(43:55):
you know, great thinkers, John Locke, Thomas Hobbs. I mean,
these guys were these guys were.
Speaker 8 (43:59):
The bedrock of of of the decoration of independence in
our constitution. They were the they were the great minds
that structure and they were and they were Christians, right,
So so it's very difficult to separate that from today.
So so people don't understand that.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
They think that, you know, oh, they're rejecting the institution
of the church, therefore things are on the right path. No,
that's not what's going on, right, That's just not the reality.
And I just I just lost my other train of
thought here. But but but a.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That's the point being obviously that values, if we get
to the deep values, as you say, get back historically,
the values are taught very similarly from all different religions,
they just are.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
And yet for some reason we've tended to lost that.
Now we're we're running out time, my friend. Yes, sorry, sorry,
So a couple of questions. Number one, how do people
find your podcast?
Speaker 4 (45:08):
My podcast is across all platforms, so you can find
it on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, Amazon, iHeart. It's called The
Evault Podcast with Aaron Scott. I would love for you
to tune in listen. I think that there's a lot
of information I put out there that's perspective shifting, and
I think that it'll be worth your time.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Okay, And if you could leave one final message with
the audience, what would that be.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
One final message would be to question ask questions like why,
how create curiosity and look to look for answers, look
to improve yourself through that endeavor. That would be my message.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I love it, and you know what, curiosity is such
an important thing and it's fascinating to me. And we
are going to close because we've run out of time.
But the one thing that comes to my mind is
I've interviewed so many people such as yourself and others.
You know, they've had this incredible life as far as professionally,
and yet somewhere along the line that curiosity has caused
(46:13):
them to go beyond that economic aspect to where they're
now looking at that spirituality, they're looking at that transformation.
And so I appreciate what you're doing, and I hope
that people come on your podcast because I think they'll
get some great value. I've looked at some of them,
and I think that you know, the topics are just fantastic,
(46:33):
So Aaron, thanks so much for being.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
On the show. Thank you for having me really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Thank you you at folks, thanks for listening. I hope
you've enjoyed it. This is a doctor Doug saying no mistake.
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