November 4, 2025 • 47 mins
Leading nutritionist/health specialist, award-winning author, and radio show host, Nancy Addison talks with Dr. Andrew Kaufman on mental health, depression, and holiday challenges. They share their thoughts on what we can do to lift our mood naturally, without drugs. They discuss communication skills. They also go into what they see going on in the world today regarding health, wellness, and truth. Dr. Kaufman's website: https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome beautiful people to organic healthy Lifestyle. And I'm Nancy Addison,
your host, and I like to start off my show
with a prayer, and if you'll join me in whichever
way you would like, I'm going to ask our divine Creator,
our divine Creator, to thank you for the abundance for
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the gift of life. And may we all be blessed
with perfect health, wealth, love, and perfect self expression. And
may the abundance in the perfect mind of God be
released that we may live in peace, harmony and joy
on this sacred earth. And I ask this now for
everyone listening now and for everyone listening in the future,
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and in the highest good of all concerned.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And thank you. And so it is.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So thrilled to be back with y'all again today. And
today y'all are in for a really special treat. I
have a fantastically brilliant person joining us who is one
of my heroes, Doctor Andrew Kaufman. He's a natural healing consultant, inventor,
public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness. He completed his
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psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Center after graduating from
the Medical University of South Carolina. He has a BS
from MIT and molecular biology. He conducted and published original
research and lectured, supervised and monitored medical student residents and
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fellows in all set pe theatric specialties. He's a qualified
expert witness in local, state, and federal courts. He's held
leadership positions in academic medicine and professional organizations, and he
ran a startup company to develop a medical device that
he invented and patented. Doctor Kaufman, I am so thrilled too,
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and to have you on the show today, Well.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's great to be we're here with you, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I know we're heading into what we call the holiday season,
and we have Thanksgiving coming up and then Christmas and
New Year's and I just know that this is a
very stressful time for many people. And you know, if
it's you know, being alone and not knowing what to do,
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or having being lonely or being with family or friends
that maybe you don't always get along with or just
have some different different ideas about things. And I was
hoping today that we could just discuss, you know, communication
skills and how we can handle different situations, including ones
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where you might possibly be alone for the holidays, and
you know, some things that you might suggest we do
to make our lives better and.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
More joyful.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Sure, Well, there's so many things to consider in that question,
because we have these cultural practices of the holiday season,
and of course a lot of it is built around
commerce and buying things and gifts and such like that,
and also you know, throwing these big dinners and parties,
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which of course can be very expensive as well. And
there's a lot to navigate because, as you mentioned, you'll
be reuniting with family members, or you might be alienated
from family and friends for a variety of reasons, and
all of those circumstances can be magnified and accentuated around
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the holiday season. And I think one of the first
things that can really help people deal better with this
stressful time is realizing that you don't have to obligate
yourself to hosting the perfect meal or getting the perfect
gift or any of those things. In fact, you don't
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really have to participate in any of the rituals if
you don't want to, but you certainly don't have to
hold up to high expectations that make a lot of
the circumstances around the holidays so stressful in terms of
interpersonal conflicts, I think that you can approach this from
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a perspective of generosity and gratitude and realize that these
people you know who are in your family or who congregate,
you know, they they all have value as human beings.
Now they may be completely misguided, they may be nasty, sarcastic,
you know, all kinds of things are possible because you know,
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these aren't necessarily people that we met in life and
you know, chose to develop relationships for these there's some
you know, level of obligation there, but we can do
our best to you know, improve the relations with people,
to be general even if they're not, and to just
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look at it as you know, you doing the right
thing and you're going to be a lot less stressed
out if you approach it from that. Like I recently
had an experience where I had to go and congregate
with a group of people and there were two individuals
there that I had a conflicted relationship with based on
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you know, past interactions and such. And every time I
had to encounter these folks at certain you know events,
there would be this discomfort and stress about it, and
you know, because I knew inevitably we would be confronted
with each other's presence and you know, have to decide
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how to interact. So I decided this on this occasion
that I was just going to even if I didn't
feel that I did anything wrong, I was just going
to apologize and offer, you know, my friendship, maybe with
certain boundaries in place to prevent future conflicts, but I
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was just going to be generous and get over it
and apologize. And in both situations it actually worked out
extremely well. It was well received, and it seemed to
just you know, end this long standing tension within an instant.
So the holidays offer an opportunity for that type of
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you know, healing process between people.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I love that, and.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You just kind of dissipate that negativity that could possibly
be lurking in the background if you if you hadn't
done that. It's like I just I just went to
my daughter's wedding in France and I had not the
most fun divorce of anybody in the world, and I
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was a little bit stressed out over going and seeing
you know, my former husband there and everything. And I
just decided I was going to stay in my heart
and just be there for my daughter and just absolutely
just be love. Just that was kind of what was
going in my mind. I was just going to emanate love.
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And I had one of the you know, really best
experiences I've ever had, and it just kind of dissipated
anything that might have have you know, happened, or or
you know, could have you know, caused any kind of
incident that would take away from my daughter's beautiful, joyful occasion.
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And I think in many ways what you were just
saying about, you know, just apologizing, I mean, because because
when we say we're sorry, doctor Kaufman, tell me, if
you think this is true, we're really not condoning whatever
it was they did, but we are letting go of
carrying any kind of burden of unforgiveness or or you know,
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anxiety that might be attached to a situation that we
were we were connected with. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Absolutely, you know, giving forbid forgiveness is not for the
just for the benefit of the other party. It's for
your own benefit. It you know, provides a reset, a
resolution to the conflict, and it also like helps you
realize that it's okay sometimes to make mistakes. You know,
we can't help saying something we don't mean, or the
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wrong thing, or or perhaps not considering someone's feelings in
a situation even though we we should have or we
may have intended to initially. So it's important to go
through that. I think, actually this is a vital importance
as a parent. For example, that you know, there is
this perception that since the parent is the teacher and
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has all of the authority over the child, that they're
above you know, oologizing or making mistakes. And of course,
you know, every parent eventually realizes that you can't avoid
making mistakes when raising children, despite your best intentions. But
if you can recognize those mistakes and be honest with
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your child and apologize when you perhaps act in a
way that was inappropriate or beyond what you would normally do,
that might have a detrimental effect on the child, like
fear or intimidation might be part of their reaction, for example.
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But there are many ways, of course, you can do this.
I think it actually strengthens the bond and strength strengthens
your perceived authority from the child's perspective, because you're giving
them the respect to admit your mistakes, which helps them
forgive themselves for their mistakes too. But you know, you're
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also not denying, you know, your authority, right, and if
you're gonna you're showing that you're going to be fair
in the way that that you deal with the child.
So I think it really goes a long way to
strengthen the bonds and help you provide better guidance to
your children.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And yeah, I mean we all think what we should
all be perfect, and I think one of our hardest
lessons is learning to forgive ourselves for not doing things
better than we thought we should have or whatever. And
you know, I keep thinking that, you know, we all
do our very best at each and every moment with
what we have to work with at that time, and
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and that's you know, what we can do. And then
we have to just embrace that and realize that, you know,
we are just human and this is a uh, you know,
we are learning as we go, I suppose, right, well.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You know that That's an important point because you know,
I believe that we should be learning as we go,
and we should be always striving to improve and make
better choices, exhibit better behavior, have better relationships. But if
we don't look at, you know, admit and examine our
own mistakes and be willing to apologize for them, how
are we going to learn and grow without that? You know,
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we might suppress them to protect ourselves, but it also
serves to stunt our development.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yes, I think so, And I think also I'm just
going to mention this briefly for a moment, but I
know the holidays can cause a lot of stress for
a lot of people. And I don't know, I guess
it was eight or ten years ago. I can't remember
exactly what it was, but I had a nephew commit
suicide before the holidays because he just he was such
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a sensitive soul and such a sweet, sweet young man,
but he just could not handle this social situations of
that he was having to face or deal with. And
I just watched a movie, a documentary called Social Dilemma
on how social media has really changed the way young
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people look at themselves, look at their relationships, and how
these really synthetic artificial AI type of situations that really
aren't normal for our existence have changed the way a
lot of people react to things. And my whole family's
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actually gotten off of all social media and it's really
been wonderful. But I would love for you to just
touch on an address maybe some of the things people
might do if they have family members that might be
challenged with any of these situations.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, well, there once again, you know your questions, Nancy.
We could write a book on the answer to that question.
There's so many ways to look at.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
I think first of all, it's it's important to not
you know, get overly paranoid that you know that the
holidays are a time when there's a peak in you know,
major suffering and suicide and such like, that it's actually November, December,
and January or typically that you have the lowest suicide
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rates out of the year. And this has been very
consistent over time. It's a common misperception that it's not.
Now that doesn't mean that the holidays aren't stressful and
that they don't bring up a lot of social turmoil,
and it also means doesn't mean that there are zero
suicides during this time, So you know, it's always something
to think about. When someone that you care about, you
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know is a parent, you know, is in a lot
of distress, you should at least consider is that a
possibility is something that they're thinking about, and know that
if you bring up the subject, it's it's not going
to encour courage them. I remember Nancy, when I was
in my residency in psychiatry and I was asked to
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give a lecture to some emergency medicine residents about managing
suicide risk. And they actually thought that if they bring
up the topic with a patient that it's like suggesting
to them that they should think about suicide. But that's
not the case at all. It's a universal experience that
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people you know, at their darkest hour often have even brief,
very fleeting thoughts about suicide. It's just part of the
human experience. And by suppressing it and not acknowledging it,
I believe it's far more dangerous. So just having an
open discussion because the things that reduce the risk of
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suicide are things that you can actually provide, like providing
social support and love. Those actually are shown in statistics
to reduce the suicide risk. But you have to, you know,
be willing to talk about it now with respect to
the effect of you know, social media and the pervasive
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use of mobile devices, you know, and electronics and living
in a virtual world.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think this is.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
An extremely serious problem affecting the younger generations who have
really grown up by this and you know, even perhaps
in part being raised by it, just like my generation
was at least in part raised by television and the
social media software you know, as we know now from whistleblowers,
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you know who worked at Facebook for example, and at Google,
that it is designed right to become addictive because the
more time that you spend interacting with the software, the
more revenue they generate in their business model by you know,
putting ads towards you and selling your data to you know,
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third party data firms and such. So that means that
you end up spending a lot of time having these
virtual interactions which are not human to human pro social relationships.
I mean, one thing you could just notice like that
any even a casual user of our generations who has
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been on Facebook or Instagram or any of these platforms,
when you read the comments of what people say, you
know that that's that's not how they interact in polite conversation.
Like if you were having the discussion at a party
or a dinner or even at a work you know, lunch,
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no one is going to make such inflammatory and insulting
comments calling people names and such. Right, this is something
that arises from the impersonal and virtual environment of the
social media platform, where it essentially takes out like the
humanity out of it. Right, It's like you're just you're
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just talking to a machine or some impersonal entity, not
like someone else, a living, thinking being who has, you know,
feelings and is also invested in the subject matter that
you're discussing. And imagine if your social skills develop in
that type of a milieu without the normal social cues
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of interacting with people. And you know, sometimes we can
see how this is almost pathetic, like out at public
if you're out you know, a restaurant for example, or
some other public place, and you see a group of
young teenagers you know, sitting together in each other's company,
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and they all are interacting with devices in front of
them rather than with each other.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yes, that I find so sad. Actually, yeah, I really
feel for that. And I have some friends who's who
have some teenage grandchildren, and some of them really are
addicted to their phone and cannot lift their head out
of their phone, and it is a very stressful thing,
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I think for them, and they don't really know how
to address it. But how would you how would you
address something like that? Say, if you had people over
for dinner, would it be would it be okay to
say something like, you know, let's have no medical I mean,
no cell phone devices at the table.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Or you know, you know, when people are in my
house and they have to follow my rules. You know,
I don't allow them to wear muddy shoes and on
my rugs either, so that yeah, there would be I mean,
we don't allow any devices at the dinner table for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
In fact, this actually came up.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Recently that my son had a friend come over and
I picked him up and he lives about an hour away,
so we had a little bit of a drive and
they were, you know, started looking at videos during the drive,
and I said, no, we're not doing that in the car.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You can do that on your own time.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I love that, And I am so grateful that so
many of these young people are waking up to the
fact that this is not a really healthy way to
live your life or to actually have your mind develop.
And so that's all good, and we can just you know,
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make our boundaries.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Boundaries are healthy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right, doctor Kaufman, waiting to learn the make our boundaries
so that they are.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Healthy and happy and bring joy to all our lives.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So let's let's branch off into another direction here about
the holidays, and you were mentioning, you know, the gifts
and different aspects of the cost of having big parties
and being a single woman who lives alone with a cat.
I live in a very tiny, little farmhouse, and I
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have friends that give big parties and have nice dinner parties,
and they maybe give me very you know, very nice
present sometimes that I'm not so sure I can reciprocate
equally on.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
A value basis.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So one of the things I've done over the years,
doctor Kaufman, tell me what you think of this. But
I'm very crafty, and i'm and I'm a good cook,
and I make things like I will make them, you know,
a special body cream or special essential oil gift or
a special food dish is my gift. And I have
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felt actually very good about reciprocating with that type of gift,
and I think that is you know, more even more
acceptable these days.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And maybe it might have been in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Well, I think we should put aside what's acceptable and
focus on what's right. And that is certainly one of
the most valuable types of gifts that I believe you
can give. And you know, let me tell you now,
not that I'm really a wealthy person, but wealthy people
can buy anything they want. So they don't want an
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expensive or a fancy gift because they could just buy
that themselves and they could then pick out what they like,
as opposed to you know, what you might give them
may not suit their taste. However, if you give them
a customized gift like that something you made with your
own two hands, or something that's completely unique, I mean
that would be very valuable to them as well, because
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they couldn't get that, They couldn't spend their money on that.
You know, that's something from the heart and it's unique
to your creative expression. And that's the you know, the
kind of gift that I would prefer personally. And you know,
I have a kind of a similar practice that you know, well,
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you know, for my children sometimes I may spend too
much on a gift, but I'm sometimes can't help my generosity.
But generally speaking, I for you know, holiday gifts and such,
or in general, I would be getting handmade things from
local artisans and crafts people. You know, work of art,
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a sculpture, cookwar pottery, you know, textiles, stained glass, things
like that, right that are real materials made by real
peace people. And of course I like the ones you know,
with more skill, and some of these things are just
they're way better even then fancy luxury products like I
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bought this wallet last year made by a local you know,
leather craftsmen.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I'm not even sure. I'm sure they have a name,
but I don't know what they're called.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
And it's hand stitched with you know, like full grain leather,
and it's the best wallet I've ever had, and you know,
it just doesn't compare. And I've even had you know,
fancy like coach wallets that were given to me as
gifts before, and they pale in comparison, but I'm sure
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they are multiples of the price. So you know, you
don't have to break the bank to participate in the
gift exchange of this season. You just have to focus on,
you know, what is within your means and what up
is something that can a way that you can you know,
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create something that would be valuable for whoever the recipient is.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, I think that is marvelous. And yes, and I
downsized many years ago, like four or five times, and
just got rid of pretty much all my stuff, which
I gave to my children. But I was living internationally
and traveling and I didn't want to accumulate a whole
bunch of stuff. And I think, you know, sometimes we
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need to look at whoever we're giving the gift to
and and really look at what is it that they
can really utilize or would want.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And you know, I look at it as well.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
If they can wear it or they can eat it,
that's usually something that is, you know, something that is
not going to have to be set on the shelf
and dusted and trying to figure out what they're going
to do with it and where they're going to store it.
But I think also, you know, we should think about, uh,
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whether we're going to give somebody the gift of an
animal or something, I think that opens up a whole
nother venue to challenges that that person may not be
ready for.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Oh, that's uh, yeah, I mean unless the person is
begging you to get them a puppy as a gift
or something which you know might be your child, for example,
in which case you're you're giving it to yourself in
a sense. But yeah, that because that provides a major
responsibility to care for you.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Know, another being. And uh, you know.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
That's that's not necessarily a gift. That depends on on
you know, the recipient completely, but it could be a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I had the pleasure of getting to have lunch with
doctor Kaufman a few years ago when he was speaking
at the West End a Price Dearly convention in Dallas,
and it was so nice to meet you in person
and to hear your wonderful talk that you did on uh,
on the germ theory and on various things. And I'm
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not sure if this is the right show to introduce
any of that too, but you know, as we go
into you know, being around more groups and different things,
one of the things that you know, I really just
am not concerned about anymore ever, is just you know,
viruses flying through the through the air or any kind
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of germs, because I am I have learned the terrain
theory and that you know, virus really viruses have really
never been proven to exist. So, you know, how how
would you handle a situation where maybe somebody comes into
your home and they're like a oromophobic person who still
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believes in you know, everything is transmitted through you know,
viruses flying through the air or whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Well, you know, first of all, I think it's unlikely
that someone who's really a germophobe would end up in
my home unless they're a family member. But fortunately I
don't have any family members that I know of like that.
But you know, I'm not trying, like it's not my
job to convince people of anything. And you know, I mean,
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if if someone is a serious germophobe, like where they
wash their hands with bleach and you know, things like that,
I mean, the then obviously that they have some issues
that need to work out. But you know, if it's
just an average person who believes what you know, what
the authorities say about how disease works in terms of
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bacteria and viruses making us sick, then you know, I
the topic may not even come up, but if it does,
I might just say, you know, something kind of vague
and see if it engenders any curiosity.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, it at that because you.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Know, there's no point in when you know, you need
to actually examine quite a lot of information in order
to really see that germ theory is a false construct.
It's because you have only heard that germ theory explains
disease your whole life, and even though you don't know
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anything about it, like you don't know what the experiments
were that you know, led to those conclusions or how
it was determined at all, you just know that that's
the case. It's accepted as a fact by everyone. So
it's not easy to overcome that, and you have to
you know, usually people have to have a motivation, and
like during COVID, there was a lot of motivation to
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figure out what is going on because that there was
a major worldwide you know, at least it was there
was stated to be a health crisis. There was definitely
a crisis because you know, of all of the government policies,
so there was a real you know, need to learn
this information at the time. But you know now that
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that crisis is not active in the same way anymore.
You know, there has to be some desire for people
to question, you know, the health authorities and look into
the information. And if they're willing to do that, you know,
I can explain it in ten minutes, probably to the
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point that they would think there's something worth looking into further.
And then you know, there's plenty of resources that one
can look at. But you know, really, once you understand
what the scientists did who made claims about germs and viruses,
then it's really easy to see that it's just like
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a smoke screen. There's there's nothing to it. It's all
been disproven, but they keep the narrative going. And you know,
then you can of course think about what could be
the reasons why they keep these fallacies, you know, in perpetuity.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yes, And then I think just when you're in large groups,
especially family dinners, possibly keep the subject that y'all are
discussing light and.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Not touching on certain situations or certain subjects of that type.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
And absolutely, yeah, there's no reason to you know, force
a discussion or you know, engage in conflict. And you know,
even in my own family, not everyone embraces the ideas
and opinions that I've put forward. And when I you know,
the first time there was like a big family event,
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after COVID because some of the family members were kind
of in hiding for a while there. What happened was
is that at the dinner, like there was a dinner
at a restaurant, you know, about twenty five people, maybe thirty,
and the conversation was light. No one brought up anything
about germs or viruses or COVID. Everyone was fully aware
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that I was talking about this all over the internet,
but that nobody brought it up.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
We just talked about.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Light subjects like you mentioned, or you know, family nostalgia,
things like that. But then we all went back to
the you know, the house after and for more casual
like you know, drinks, dessert, you know, just hang out,
the kids play, all that kind of thing. And once
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the like the older people who are much more German
phobic and health conscious were kind of off doing their thing,
the young people started coming up to me, like at
first one a time, and then I had like a
group of them around me asking questions because they were curious.
They knew things weren't right, and they wanted to know
what I knew, and so that's you know, and of
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course I was happy to tell them. I was kind
of surprised actually that they were interested like that, But
that's how you can have a really productive conversation. And
then I know that you know, those young people, they're
they're thinking about it, like they're taking this into consideration,
maybe realizing that not everything on the news and that
the principal at their school or the mayor of the
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town says is is really the full truth. And that
was a really positive, you know experience, and then also
accepting that some of the other folks are just you know,
too scared or too ingrained in their ideas and they
it's too scary for them to consider an alternative.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, that's such great suggestions and information. And I think
when we get together in groups, we can learn and
have a much more full experience than we ever can
do when we're just communicating on a zoom or a
phone call or or something of that sort. So I
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I really embrace getting together physically and enjoying each other's
company and you know, really just hanging out and uh,
you know, taking a walk or you know. One of
the things that I did with my family when they
were when my kids were growing up is over the holidays,
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we would go volunteer at places, places that you know,
we thought would be fun. Volunteer at the zoo, Volunteer
at a homeless shelter, volunteer at a animal shelter, you know,
have have the kids walk dogs, and and it creates
a really fun experience that you know, afterwards, everybody you know,
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at a meal or if we go have coffee afterwards
or something like that, it's an experience you've shared, and
it makes it, you know, for a good conversation and
for for bonding as well. And I think you know,
if people are alone or lonely over the holidays, volunteering at.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Some place that you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Know, particularly like, like an art museum or something, if
you particularly like art, you're going to meet people who
like the same thing you do. Or you volunteer to
symphony or at a local theater or something. Do you
do anything like that, doctor Kaufman, Well.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
I did certainly did those kinds of things when I
was younger. But I think those are excellent suggestions. I mean,
I you know, do get involved in things with separate
communities based on mutual interest, you know, absolutely, And I
think I think you know, that's a real key to
develop good social relationships and interactions, you know, especially because
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of the influences that we're talking about with respect to
social media and people's virtual experiences on their phone, it's
made it much harder to develop real life relationships friendships.
I mean, people just don't go out as much and
engage in activities with other people. They spend you know,
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more and more time. And this, you know, even even
before cell phones, you know, or smartphones were so widely adopted,
this was trend was already started to happen, like even
just related to vhs and DVD players, right that people
didn't go out to the movies, and you know, going
out to the movies gets you out there around a
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bunch of other people, right where you can engage with people,
you you know, go with other people to the movies
and such. But when you can just get access to
these things so easily, just wherever you are, you can just.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Put on a movie.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
You know, you don't need anybody else to go with you,
You don't need anyone to drive you there. You know
that you're not going to then go you know, to
the diner after that and have discussion while you eat
a meal and that kind of thing. So in this
day and age, I think you have to take a
little bit more initiative in order to you know, make
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these relationships and have social opportunities.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That is so true, That is you're such brilliant information
and doctor Kaufman, I wanted to ask you what can
people do? Because I know you're just an amazing psychiatrist,
and I know that a lot of the the EMF
can actually cause anxiety and depression and people and people
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don't realize that, and so you know, even just sitting
near a Wi Fi router and things like that, it
really does raise that kind of anxiety in people's body.
Are there some particular things that you could recommend to
people to help with reducing anxiety or handling stressful situations
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or possibly helping themselves with the EMF explosure exposure so
that they are not having that happen. Is do you
have some suggestions there for people?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Well, I mean, dealing with the EMF is the easiest
of those questions to answer. And then you know, it's
important to note that you know, anxiety and depression are
these words that get thrown around a lot, So one
thing is that you know what do they actually mean?
And then if we want to you know, derive the
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meaning of anxiety disorders and depressive disorders, which are distinct
from each other, not the same thing. They don't overlap necessarily,
although they may not actually be real true categories. There
are many many things that can cause and contribute to those,
So we would have to have a little bit of discussion,
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but I can certainly address the main elements or how
I formulate it. So let me start with mitigating the EMFs,
because you know, one thing is that in my experience
and my review of the research literature, there's not necessarily
a lot of negative health effects from this that have
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been evident. There's a lot of potential for health effects,
but it hasn't so far in my you know, observations
played out that way. And the most common problems that
I've that people have actually had that I know about
from EMF is really visual disturbances and headaches would be
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the most common problems. However, there are certainly could be
people that are much more sensitive than others to these
kinds of devices, and there are some devices that are
quite powerful and have a lot more harm potential, things
like smart meters for example, and you know, of course
five G towers. But we have to realize that they
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have a very short range compared to the previous cell technology,
so they have to be very close to have a
deleterious effect. But so with smart meters, the best thing
to do is opt out and make sure you don't
have one on your house. Just have an old style
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analog meter. But if there's no way around that, like
your renter in an apartment building, for example, and you
don't have the authority to make that happen and the
landlord won't help you, you can mitigate this by putting
certain things between the device and where your living space is,
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and plants is one of the easiest things. Especially plants
with a lot of thick foliage like ferns for example,
would be a good plant for this purpose, and they
will absorb a lot of the radio wave signals and
protect you from it, so as a barrier. The other things,
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like your Wi Fi router, for example, you can turn
it off. Some routers are a bit of a pain
to turn on and off, like they can't just press.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
A button so easily.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
But you know, you always could actually unplug it if
you really wanted to. So the easiest thing is to
just turn it off at night when you're sleeping. And
that cuts your exposure down substantially. You could get rid
of it completely and use just an Ethernet cable for
your computer devices. Of course that's not going to work
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with your mobile devices, but it will work with you know,
desktop and laptop computers, and that will mitigate things. And
another thing is too don't have devices near you when
you're sleeping or if you're not actively using them, So
you could have like a protective pouch. There are several
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that are commercially available. I have one. It's called Mission Darkness,
I believe is the brand, and it's like a pouch
that's actually developed for spies, like law enforcement agents who
want to block their you know, device from being attacked
by the MPs or being you know, having some information
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taken off of it wirelessly, that type of thing, and
it just completely blocks any radiation coming out of the phone.
In fact, the phone won't work when it's inside there,
so you should probably you know, put it on airplan motor,
turn it off so it's not just draining its battery
hunting for a signal. So you can, you know, do that,
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not keep it in your room, keep it in a
pouch like that when you're not using it, and certainly
while you're sleeping, and usually just those measures would be
enough for most people to mitigate the problem substantially.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
That sounds great.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I'm afraid that our time is running out. We only
have about four minutes left, and I would love for
you to tell everyone how they can find you, and
if you have any events or talks coming up that
they might want to tune into. I would love for
you to share that with everyone.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yeah, well everyone.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
The best place to find me, of course, is on
my website Andrew Kaufman, MD dot and that's where you
can get my absolutely free signature protocol called the Ultimate
Detox the Power of Pine And I would encourage you
to take a look at that and get my protocol,
and that will get you on my list so you'll
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know about all of my upcoming webinars and educational workshops
and other offerings. I just last week did a free
masterclass about the surveillance state and how you can protect
yourself and prevent that from taking away your freedom, and
(44:37):
that's also available on my website for anyone who's interested
in that subject matter. In fact, I have a lot
of free offerings, and then of course I'm also on
all of the social media platforms. Even though we've been
talking so negatively about social media still provides a benefit
when it used judiciously and appropriately. Instagram, YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, Facebook,
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pretty much all all the places that you might go.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Thank you so much, doctor Kaufman, and I'm just honored
to have you on the show today, and I know
we only just have a couple of minutes left, and
I just want to thank you so much for joining
us and sharing all your fabulous information with us. And
I just wondered if you could share a parting thought
(45:29):
with our listeners that you know might make their lives
better in the in the coming year, and possibly said
it's not going to cost them any money.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Absolutely, you know, it's important to realize that the only
entity that can take action to heal is our own bodies, minds,
and spirits, and that when we become our own health authority,
we become now not dependent on a system, especially one
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that profits off of us and misleads us, but we
take advantage of nature's strong tendency to always achieve balance
and healing, and that's.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
How we're meant to live.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
And I wish everyone would consider changing their behavior to
be their own health authorities in that way.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I love that, and what a wonderful way to end
the show. And for all you listeners out there, I
know I've got the best listeners in the world, doctor Kaufman,
and I just wish you wonderful health and a beautiful holiday.
And doctor Kaufman, I send you lots love, and I
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am so thankful for you joining us today. And I
just want to throw in a quick thank you to
W four C Y Radio and thanks them for.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Supporting me all these years.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
And for all y'all out there, thank you for joining
us today and I look forward to talking to y'all
again next week.
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome beautiful people to organic healthy Lifestyle. And I'm Nancy Addison,
your host, and I like to start off my show
with a prayer, and if you'll join me in whichever
way you would like, I'm going to ask our divine Creator,
our divine Creator, to thank you for the abundance for
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the gift of life. And may we all be blessed
with perfect health, wealth, love, and perfect self expression. And
may the abundance in the perfect mind of God be
released that we may live in peace, harmony and joy
on this sacred earth. And I ask this now for
everyone listening now and for everyone listening in the future,
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and in the highest good of all concerned.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And thank you. And so it is.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So thrilled to be back with y'all again today. And
today y'all are in for a really special treat. I
have a fantastically brilliant person joining us who is one
of my heroes, Doctor Andrew Kaufman. He's a natural healing consultant, inventor,
public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness. He completed his
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psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Center after graduating from
the Medical University of South Carolina. He has a BS
from MIT and molecular biology. He conducted and published original
research and lectured, supervised and monitored medical student residents and
(02:10):
fellows in all set pe theatric specialties. He's a qualified
expert witness in local, state, and federal courts. He's held
leadership positions in academic medicine and professional organizations, and he
ran a startup company to develop a medical device that
he invented and patented. Doctor Kaufman, I am so thrilled too,
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and to have you on the show today, Well.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's great to be we're here with you, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I know we're heading into what we call the holiday season,
and we have Thanksgiving coming up and then Christmas and
New Year's and I just know that this is a
very stressful time for many people. And you know, if
it's you know, being alone and not knowing what to do,
(03:04):
or having being lonely or being with family or friends
that maybe you don't always get along with or just
have some different different ideas about things. And I was
hoping today that we could just discuss, you know, communication
skills and how we can handle different situations, including ones
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where you might possibly be alone for the holidays, and
you know, some things that you might suggest we do
to make our lives better and.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
More joyful.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Sure, Well, there's so many things to consider in that question,
because we have these cultural practices of the holiday season,
and of course a lot of it is built around
commerce and buying things and gifts and such like that,
and also you know, throwing these big dinners and parties,
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which of course can be very expensive as well. And
there's a lot to navigate because, as you mentioned, you'll
be reuniting with family members, or you might be alienated
from family and friends for a variety of reasons, and
all of those circumstances can be magnified and accentuated around
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the holiday season. And I think one of the first
things that can really help people deal better with this
stressful time is realizing that you don't have to obligate
yourself to hosting the perfect meal or getting the perfect
gift or any of those things. In fact, you don't
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really have to participate in any of the rituals if
you don't want to, but you certainly don't have to
hold up to high expectations that make a lot of
the circumstances around the holidays so stressful in terms of
interpersonal conflicts, I think that you can approach this from
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a perspective of generosity and gratitude and realize that these
people you know who are in your family or who congregate,
you know, they they all have value as human beings.
Now they may be completely misguided, they may be nasty, sarcastic,
you know, all kinds of things are possible because you know,
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these aren't necessarily people that we met in life and
you know, chose to develop relationships for these there's some
you know, level of obligation there, but we can do
our best to you know, improve the relations with people,
to be general even if they're not, and to just
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look at it as you know, you doing the right
thing and you're going to be a lot less stressed
out if you approach it from that. Like I recently
had an experience where I had to go and congregate
with a group of people and there were two individuals
there that I had a conflicted relationship with based on
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you know, past interactions and such. And every time I
had to encounter these folks at certain you know events,
there would be this discomfort and stress about it, and
you know, because I knew inevitably we would be confronted
with each other's presence and you know, have to decide
(06:45):
how to interact. So I decided this on this occasion
that I was just going to even if I didn't
feel that I did anything wrong, I was just going
to apologize and offer, you know, my friendship, maybe with
certain boundaries in place to prevent future conflicts, but I
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was just going to be generous and get over it
and apologize. And in both situations it actually worked out
extremely well. It was well received, and it seemed to
just you know, end this long standing tension within an instant.
So the holidays offer an opportunity for that type of
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you know, healing process between people.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I love that, and.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You just kind of dissipate that negativity that could possibly
be lurking in the background if you if you hadn't
done that. It's like I just I just went to
my daughter's wedding in France and I had not the
most fun divorce of anybody in the world, and I
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was a little bit stressed out over going and seeing
you know, my former husband there and everything. And I
just decided I was going to stay in my heart
and just be there for my daughter and just absolutely
just be love. Just that was kind of what was
going in my mind. I was just going to emanate love.
(08:17):
And I had one of the you know, really best
experiences I've ever had, and it just kind of dissipated
anything that might have have you know, happened, or or
you know, could have you know, caused any kind of
incident that would take away from my daughter's beautiful, joyful occasion.
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And I think in many ways what you were just
saying about, you know, just apologizing, I mean, because because
when we say we're sorry, doctor Kaufman, tell me, if
you think this is true, we're really not condoning whatever
it was they did, but we are letting go of
carrying any kind of burden of unforgiveness or or you know,
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anxiety that might be attached to a situation that we
were we were connected with. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Absolutely, you know, giving forbid forgiveness is not for the
just for the benefit of the other party. It's for
your own benefit. It you know, provides a reset, a
resolution to the conflict, and it also like helps you
realize that it's okay sometimes to make mistakes. You know,
we can't help saying something we don't mean, or the
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wrong thing, or or perhaps not considering someone's feelings in
a situation even though we we should have or we
may have intended to initially. So it's important to go
through that. I think, actually this is a vital importance
as a parent. For example, that you know, there is
this perception that since the parent is the teacher and
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has all of the authority over the child, that they're
above you know, oologizing or making mistakes. And of course,
you know, every parent eventually realizes that you can't avoid
making mistakes when raising children, despite your best intentions. But
if you can recognize those mistakes and be honest with
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your child and apologize when you perhaps act in a
way that was inappropriate or beyond what you would normally do,
that might have a detrimental effect on the child, like
fear or intimidation might be part of their reaction, for example.
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But there are many ways, of course, you can do this.
I think it actually strengthens the bond and strength strengthens
your perceived authority from the child's perspective, because you're giving
them the respect to admit your mistakes, which helps them
forgive themselves for their mistakes too. But you know, you're
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also not denying, you know, your authority, right, and if
you're gonna you're showing that you're going to be fair
in the way that that you deal with the child.
So I think it really goes a long way to
strengthen the bonds and help you provide better guidance to
your children.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And yeah, I mean we all think what we should
all be perfect, and I think one of our hardest
lessons is learning to forgive ourselves for not doing things
better than we thought we should have or whatever. And
you know, I keep thinking that, you know, we all
do our very best at each and every moment with
what we have to work with at that time, and
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and that's you know, what we can do. And then
we have to just embrace that and realize that, you know,
we are just human and this is a uh, you know,
we are learning as we go, I suppose, right, well.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You know that That's an important point because you know,
I believe that we should be learning as we go,
and we should be always striving to improve and make
better choices, exhibit better behavior, have better relationships. But if
we don't look at, you know, admit and examine our
own mistakes and be willing to apologize for them, how
are we going to learn and grow without that? You know,
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we might suppress them to protect ourselves, but it also
serves to stunt our development.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yes, I think so, And I think also I'm just
going to mention this briefly for a moment, but I
know the holidays can cause a lot of stress for
a lot of people. And I don't know, I guess
it was eight or ten years ago. I can't remember
exactly what it was, but I had a nephew commit
suicide before the holidays because he just he was such
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a sensitive soul and such a sweet, sweet young man,
but he just could not handle this social situations of
that he was having to face or deal with. And
I just watched a movie, a documentary called Social Dilemma
on how social media has really changed the way young
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people look at themselves, look at their relationships, and how
these really synthetic artificial AI type of situations that really
aren't normal for our existence have changed the way a
lot of people react to things. And my whole family's
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actually gotten off of all social media and it's really
been wonderful. But I would love for you to just
touch on an address maybe some of the things people
might do if they have family members that might be
challenged with any of these situations.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, well, there once again, you know your questions, Nancy.
We could write a book on the answer to that question.
There's so many ways to look at.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
I think first of all, it's it's important to not
you know, get overly paranoid that you know that the
holidays are a time when there's a peak in you know,
major suffering and suicide and such like, that it's actually November, December,
and January or typically that you have the lowest suicide
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rates out of the year. And this has been very
consistent over time. It's a common misperception that it's not.
Now that doesn't mean that the holidays aren't stressful and
that they don't bring up a lot of social turmoil,
and it also means doesn't mean that there are zero
suicides during this time, So you know, it's always something
to think about. When someone that you care about, you
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know is a parent, you know, is in a lot
of distress, you should at least consider is that a
possibility is something that they're thinking about, and know that
if you bring up the subject, it's it's not going
to encour courage them. I remember Nancy, when I was
in my residency in psychiatry and I was asked to
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give a lecture to some emergency medicine residents about managing
suicide risk. And they actually thought that if they bring
up the topic with a patient that it's like suggesting
to them that they should think about suicide. But that's
not the case at all. It's a universal experience that
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people you know, at their darkest hour often have even brief,
very fleeting thoughts about suicide. It's just part of the
human experience. And by suppressing it and not acknowledging it,
I believe it's far more dangerous. So just having an
open discussion because the things that reduce the risk of
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suicide are things that you can actually provide, like providing
social support and love. Those actually are shown in statistics
to reduce the suicide risk. But you have to, you know,
be willing to talk about it now with respect to
the effect of you know, social media and the pervasive
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use of mobile devices, you know, and electronics and living
in a virtual world.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think this is.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
An extremely serious problem affecting the younger generations who have
really grown up by this and you know, even perhaps
in part being raised by it, just like my generation
was at least in part raised by television and the
social media software you know, as we know now from whistleblowers,
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you know who worked at Facebook for example, and at Google,
that it is designed right to become addictive because the
more time that you spend interacting with the software, the
more revenue they generate in their business model by you know,
putting ads towards you and selling your data to you know,
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third party data firms and such. So that means that
you end up spending a lot of time having these
virtual interactions which are not human to human pro social relationships.
I mean, one thing you could just notice like that
any even a casual user of our generations who has
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been on Facebook or Instagram or any of these platforms,
when you read the comments of what people say, you
know that that's that's not how they interact in polite conversation.
Like if you were having the discussion at a party
or a dinner or even at a work you know, lunch,
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no one is going to make such inflammatory and insulting
comments calling people names and such. Right, this is something
that arises from the impersonal and virtual environment of the
social media platform, where it essentially takes out like the
humanity out of it. Right, It's like you're just you're
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just talking to a machine or some impersonal entity, not
like someone else, a living, thinking being who has, you know,
feelings and is also invested in the subject matter that
you're discussing. And imagine if your social skills develop in
that type of a milieu without the normal social cues
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of interacting with people. And you know, sometimes we can
see how this is almost pathetic, like out at public
if you're out you know, a restaurant for example, or
some other public place, and you see a group of
young teenagers you know, sitting together in each other's company,
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and they all are interacting with devices in front of
them rather than with each other.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yes, that I find so sad. Actually, yeah, I really
feel for that. And I have some friends who's who
have some teenage grandchildren, and some of them really are
addicted to their phone and cannot lift their head out
of their phone, and it is a very stressful thing,
(19:35):
I think for them, and they don't really know how
to address it. But how would you how would you
address something like that? Say, if you had people over
for dinner, would it be would it be okay to
say something like, you know, let's have no medical I mean,
no cell phone devices at the table.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Or you know, you know, when people are in my
house and they have to follow my rules. You know,
I don't allow them to wear muddy shoes and on
my rugs either, so that yeah, there would be I mean,
we don't allow any devices at the dinner table for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
In fact, this actually came up.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Recently that my son had a friend come over and
I picked him up and he lives about an hour away,
so we had a little bit of a drive and
they were, you know, started looking at videos during the drive,
and I said, no, we're not doing that in the car.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You can do that on your own time.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I love that, And I am so grateful that so
many of these young people are waking up to the
fact that this is not a really healthy way to
live your life or to actually have your mind develop.
And so that's all good, and we can just you know,
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make our boundaries.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Boundaries are healthy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right, doctor Kaufman, waiting to learn the make our boundaries
so that they are.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Healthy and happy and bring joy to all our lives.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So let's let's branch off into another direction here about
the holidays, and you were mentioning, you know, the gifts
and different aspects of the cost of having big parties
and being a single woman who lives alone with a cat.
I live in a very tiny, little farmhouse, and I
(21:29):
have friends that give big parties and have nice dinner parties,
and they maybe give me very you know, very nice
present sometimes that I'm not so sure I can reciprocate
equally on.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
A value basis.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So one of the things I've done over the years,
doctor Kaufman, tell me what you think of this. But
I'm very crafty, and i'm and I'm a good cook,
and I make things like I will make them, you know,
a special body cream or special essential oil gift or
a special food dish is my gift. And I have
(22:08):
felt actually very good about reciprocating with that type of gift,
and I think that is you know, more even more
acceptable these days.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And maybe it might have been in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Well, I think we should put aside what's acceptable and
focus on what's right. And that is certainly one of
the most valuable types of gifts that I believe you
can give. And you know, let me tell you now,
not that I'm really a wealthy person, but wealthy people
can buy anything they want. So they don't want an
(22:42):
expensive or a fancy gift because they could just buy
that themselves and they could then pick out what they like,
as opposed to you know, what you might give them
may not suit their taste. However, if you give them
a customized gift like that something you made with your
own two hands, or something that's completely unique, I mean
that would be very valuable to them as well, because
(23:04):
they couldn't get that, They couldn't spend their money on that.
You know, that's something from the heart and it's unique
to your creative expression. And that's the you know, the
kind of gift that I would prefer personally. And you know,
I have a kind of a similar practice that you know, well,
(23:26):
you know, for my children sometimes I may spend too
much on a gift, but I'm sometimes can't help my generosity.
But generally speaking, I for you know, holiday gifts and such,
or in general, I would be getting handmade things from
local artisans and crafts people. You know, work of art,
(23:47):
a sculpture, cookwar pottery, you know, textiles, stained glass, things
like that, right that are real materials made by real
peace people. And of course I like the ones you know,
with more skill, and some of these things are just
they're way better even then fancy luxury products like I
(24:11):
bought this wallet last year made by a local you know,
leather craftsmen.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I'm not even sure. I'm sure they have a name,
but I don't know what they're called.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
And it's hand stitched with you know, like full grain leather,
and it's the best wallet I've ever had, and you know,
it just doesn't compare. And I've even had you know,
fancy like coach wallets that were given to me as
gifts before, and they pale in comparison, but I'm sure
(24:44):
they are multiples of the price. So you know, you
don't have to break the bank to participate in the
gift exchange of this season. You just have to focus on,
you know, what is within your means and what up
is something that can a way that you can you know,
(25:04):
create something that would be valuable for whoever the recipient is.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, I think that is marvelous. And yes, and I
downsized many years ago, like four or five times, and
just got rid of pretty much all my stuff, which
I gave to my children. But I was living internationally
and traveling and I didn't want to accumulate a whole
bunch of stuff. And I think, you know, sometimes we
(25:34):
need to look at whoever we're giving the gift to
and and really look at what is it that they
can really utilize or would want.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And you know, I look at it as well.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
If they can wear it or they can eat it,
that's usually something that is, you know, something that is
not going to have to be set on the shelf
and dusted and trying to figure out what they're going
to do with it and where they're going to store it.
But I think also, you know, we should think about, uh,
(26:09):
whether we're going to give somebody the gift of an
animal or something, I think that opens up a whole
nother venue to challenges that that person may not be
ready for.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Oh, that's uh, yeah, I mean unless the person is
begging you to get them a puppy as a gift
or something which you know might be your child, for example,
in which case you're you're giving it to yourself in
a sense. But yeah, that because that provides a major
responsibility to care for you.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Know, another being. And uh, you know.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
That's that's not necessarily a gift. That depends on on
you know, the recipient completely, but it could be a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I had the pleasure of getting to have lunch with
doctor Kaufman a few years ago when he was speaking
at the West End a Price Dearly convention in Dallas,
and it was so nice to meet you in person
and to hear your wonderful talk that you did on uh,
on the germ theory and on various things. And I'm
(27:17):
not sure if this is the right show to introduce
any of that too, but you know, as we go
into you know, being around more groups and different things,
one of the things that you know, I really just
am not concerned about anymore ever, is just you know,
viruses flying through the through the air or any kind
(27:39):
of germs, because I am I have learned the terrain
theory and that you know, virus really viruses have really
never been proven to exist. So, you know, how how
would you handle a situation where maybe somebody comes into
your home and they're like a oromophobic person who still
(28:02):
believes in you know, everything is transmitted through you know,
viruses flying through the air or whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Well, you know, first of all, I think it's unlikely
that someone who's really a germophobe would end up in
my home unless they're a family member. But fortunately I
don't have any family members that I know of like that.
But you know, I'm not trying, like it's not my
job to convince people of anything. And you know, I mean,
(28:32):
if if someone is a serious germophobe, like where they
wash their hands with bleach and you know, things like that,
I mean, the then obviously that they have some issues
that need to work out. But you know, if it's
just an average person who believes what you know, what
the authorities say about how disease works in terms of
(28:53):
bacteria and viruses making us sick, then you know, I
the topic may not even come up, but if it does,
I might just say, you know, something kind of vague
and see if it engenders any curiosity.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, it at that because you.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Know, there's no point in when you know, you need
to actually examine quite a lot of information in order
to really see that germ theory is a false construct.
It's because you have only heard that germ theory explains
disease your whole life, and even though you don't know
(29:34):
anything about it, like you don't know what the experiments
were that you know, led to those conclusions or how
it was determined at all, you just know that that's
the case. It's accepted as a fact by everyone. So
it's not easy to overcome that, and you have to
you know, usually people have to have a motivation, and
like during COVID, there was a lot of motivation to
(29:57):
figure out what is going on because that there was
a major worldwide you know, at least it was there
was stated to be a health crisis. There was definitely
a crisis because you know, of all of the government policies,
so there was a real you know, need to learn
this information at the time. But you know now that
(30:19):
that crisis is not active in the same way anymore.
You know, there has to be some desire for people
to question, you know, the health authorities and look into
the information. And if they're willing to do that, you know,
I can explain it in ten minutes, probably to the
(30:41):
point that they would think there's something worth looking into further.
And then you know, there's plenty of resources that one
can look at. But you know, really, once you understand
what the scientists did who made claims about germs and viruses,
then it's really easy to see that it's just like
(31:05):
a smoke screen. There's there's nothing to it. It's all
been disproven, but they keep the narrative going. And you know,
then you can of course think about what could be
the reasons why they keep these fallacies, you know, in perpetuity.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yes, And then I think just when you're in large groups,
especially family dinners, possibly keep the subject that y'all are
discussing light and.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Not touching on certain situations or certain subjects of that type.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
And absolutely, yeah, there's no reason to you know, force
a discussion or you know, engage in conflict. And you know,
even in my own family, not everyone embraces the ideas
and opinions that I've put forward. And when I you know,
the first time there was like a big family event,
(32:07):
after COVID because some of the family members were kind
of in hiding for a while there. What happened was
is that at the dinner, like there was a dinner
at a restaurant, you know, about twenty five people, maybe thirty,
and the conversation was light. No one brought up anything
about germs or viruses or COVID. Everyone was fully aware
(32:29):
that I was talking about this all over the internet,
but that nobody brought it up.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
We just talked about.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Light subjects like you mentioned, or you know, family nostalgia,
things like that. But then we all went back to
the you know, the house after and for more casual
like you know, drinks, dessert, you know, just hang out,
the kids play, all that kind of thing. And once
(32:56):
the like the older people who are much more German
phobic and health conscious were kind of off doing their thing,
the young people started coming up to me, like at
first one a time, and then I had like a
group of them around me asking questions because they were curious.
They knew things weren't right, and they wanted to know
what I knew, and so that's you know, and of
(33:20):
course I was happy to tell them. I was kind
of surprised actually that they were interested like that, But
that's how you can have a really productive conversation. And
then I know that you know, those young people, they're
they're thinking about it, like they're taking this into consideration,
maybe realizing that not everything on the news and that
the principal at their school or the mayor of the
(33:42):
town says is is really the full truth. And that
was a really positive, you know experience, and then also
accepting that some of the other folks are just you know,
too scared or too ingrained in their ideas and they
it's too scary for them to consider an alternative.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, that's such great suggestions and information. And I think
when we get together in groups, we can learn and
have a much more full experience than we ever can
do when we're just communicating on a zoom or a
phone call or or something of that sort. So I
(34:22):
I really embrace getting together physically and enjoying each other's
company and you know, really just hanging out and uh,
you know, taking a walk or you know. One of
the things that I did with my family when they
were when my kids were growing up is over the holidays,
(34:42):
we would go volunteer at places, places that you know,
we thought would be fun. Volunteer at the zoo, Volunteer
at a homeless shelter, volunteer at a animal shelter, you know,
have have the kids walk dogs, and and it creates
a really fun experience that you know, afterwards, everybody you know,
(35:02):
at a meal or if we go have coffee afterwards
or something like that, it's an experience you've shared, and
it makes it, you know, for a good conversation and
for for bonding as well. And I think you know,
if people are alone or lonely over the holidays, volunteering at.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Some place that you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Know, particularly like, like an art museum or something, if
you particularly like art, you're going to meet people who
like the same thing you do. Or you volunteer to
symphony or at a local theater or something. Do you
do anything like that, doctor Kaufman, Well.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
I did certainly did those kinds of things when I
was younger. But I think those are excellent suggestions. I mean,
I you know, do get involved in things with separate
communities based on mutual interest, you know, absolutely, And I
think I think you know, that's a real key to
develop good social relationships and interactions, you know, especially because
(36:09):
of the influences that we're talking about with respect to
social media and people's virtual experiences on their phone, it's
made it much harder to develop real life relationships friendships.
I mean, people just don't go out as much and
engage in activities with other people. They spend you know,
(36:30):
more and more time. And this, you know, even even
before cell phones, you know, or smartphones were so widely adopted,
this was trend was already started to happen, like even
just related to vhs and DVD players, right that people
didn't go out to the movies, and you know, going
out to the movies gets you out there around a
(36:52):
bunch of other people, right where you can engage with people,
you you know, go with other people to the movies
and such. But when you can just get access to
these things so easily, just wherever you are, you can just.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Put on a movie.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
You know, you don't need anybody else to go with you,
You don't need anyone to drive you there. You know
that you're not going to then go you know, to
the diner after that and have discussion while you eat
a meal and that kind of thing. So in this
day and age, I think you have to take a
little bit more initiative in order to you know, make
(37:30):
these relationships and have social opportunities.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That is so true, That is you're such brilliant information
and doctor Kaufman, I wanted to ask you what can
people do? Because I know you're just an amazing psychiatrist,
and I know that a lot of the the EMF
can actually cause anxiety and depression and people and people
(37:55):
don't realize that, and so you know, even just sitting
near a Wi Fi router and things like that, it
really does raise that kind of anxiety in people's body.
Are there some particular things that you could recommend to
people to help with reducing anxiety or handling stressful situations
(38:18):
or possibly helping themselves with the EMF explosure exposure so
that they are not having that happen. Is do you
have some suggestions there for people?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Well, I mean, dealing with the EMF is the easiest
of those questions to answer. And then you know, it's
important to note that you know, anxiety and depression are
these words that get thrown around a lot, So one
thing is that you know what do they actually mean?
And then if we want to you know, derive the
(38:53):
meaning of anxiety disorders and depressive disorders, which are distinct
from each other, not the same thing. They don't overlap necessarily,
although they may not actually be real true categories. There
are many many things that can cause and contribute to those,
So we would have to have a little bit of discussion,
(39:16):
but I can certainly address the main elements or how
I formulate it. So let me start with mitigating the EMFs,
because you know, one thing is that in my experience
and my review of the research literature, there's not necessarily
a lot of negative health effects from this that have
(39:36):
been evident. There's a lot of potential for health effects,
but it hasn't so far in my you know, observations
played out that way. And the most common problems that
I've that people have actually had that I know about
from EMF is really visual disturbances and headaches would be
(40:00):
the most common problems. However, there are certainly could be
people that are much more sensitive than others to these
kinds of devices, and there are some devices that are
quite powerful and have a lot more harm potential, things
like smart meters for example, and you know, of course
five G towers. But we have to realize that they
(40:23):
have a very short range compared to the previous cell technology,
so they have to be very close to have a
deleterious effect. But so with smart meters, the best thing
to do is opt out and make sure you don't
have one on your house. Just have an old style
(40:47):
analog meter. But if there's no way around that, like
your renter in an apartment building, for example, and you
don't have the authority to make that happen and the
landlord won't help you, you can mitigate this by putting
certain things between the device and where your living space is,
(41:09):
and plants is one of the easiest things. Especially plants
with a lot of thick foliage like ferns for example,
would be a good plant for this purpose, and they
will absorb a lot of the radio wave signals and
protect you from it, so as a barrier. The other things,
(41:33):
like your Wi Fi router, for example, you can turn
it off. Some routers are a bit of a pain
to turn on and off, like they can't just press.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
A button so easily.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
But you know, you always could actually unplug it if
you really wanted to. So the easiest thing is to
just turn it off at night when you're sleeping. And
that cuts your exposure down substantially. You could get rid
of it completely and use just an Ethernet cable for
your computer devices. Of course that's not going to work
(42:07):
with your mobile devices, but it will work with you know,
desktop and laptop computers, and that will mitigate things. And
another thing is too don't have devices near you when
you're sleeping or if you're not actively using them, So
you could have like a protective pouch. There are several
(42:31):
that are commercially available. I have one. It's called Mission Darkness,
I believe is the brand, and it's like a pouch
that's actually developed for spies, like law enforcement agents who
want to block their you know, device from being attacked
by the MPs or being you know, having some information
(42:55):
taken off of it wirelessly, that type of thing, and
it just completely blocks any radiation coming out of the phone.
In fact, the phone won't work when it's inside there,
so you should probably you know, put it on airplan motor,
turn it off so it's not just draining its battery
hunting for a signal. So you can, you know, do that,
(43:16):
not keep it in your room, keep it in a
pouch like that when you're not using it, and certainly
while you're sleeping, and usually just those measures would be
enough for most people to mitigate the problem substantially.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
That sounds great.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I'm afraid that our time is running out. We only
have about four minutes left, and I would love for
you to tell everyone how they can find you, and
if you have any events or talks coming up that
they might want to tune into. I would love for
you to share that with everyone.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yeah, well everyone.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
The best place to find me, of course, is on
my website Andrew Kaufman, MD dot and that's where you
can get my absolutely free signature protocol called the Ultimate
Detox the Power of Pine And I would encourage you
to take a look at that and get my protocol,
and that will get you on my list so you'll
(44:17):
know about all of my upcoming webinars and educational workshops
and other offerings. I just last week did a free
masterclass about the surveillance state and how you can protect
yourself and prevent that from taking away your freedom, and
(44:37):
that's also available on my website for anyone who's interested
in that subject matter. In fact, I have a lot
of free offerings, and then of course I'm also on
all of the social media platforms. Even though we've been
talking so negatively about social media still provides a benefit
when it used judiciously and appropriately. Instagram, YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, Facebook,
(45:05):
pretty much all all the places that you might go.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Thank you so much, doctor Kaufman, and I'm just honored
to have you on the show today, and I know
we only just have a couple of minutes left, and
I just want to thank you so much for joining
us and sharing all your fabulous information with us. And
I just wondered if you could share a parting thought
(45:29):
with our listeners that you know might make their lives
better in the in the coming year, and possibly said
it's not going to cost them any money.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Absolutely, you know, it's important to realize that the only
entity that can take action to heal is our own bodies, minds,
and spirits, and that when we become our own health authority,
we become now not dependent on a system, especially one
(46:02):
that profits off of us and misleads us, but we
take advantage of nature's strong tendency to always achieve balance
and healing, and that's.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
How we're meant to live.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
And I wish everyone would consider changing their behavior to
be their own health authorities in that way.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I love that, and what a wonderful way to end
the show. And for all you listeners out there, I
know I've got the best listeners in the world, doctor Kaufman,
and I just wish you wonderful health and a beautiful holiday.
And doctor Kaufman, I send you lots love, and I
(46:50):
am so thankful for you joining us today. And I
just want to throw in a quick thank you to
W four C Y Radio and thanks them for.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Supporting me all these years.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
And for all y'all out there, thank you for joining
us today and I look forward to talking to y'all
again next week.
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