August 22, 2023 • 51 mins
Leading nutritionist, author, and radio show host, Nancy Addison talks with Morley Robbins, MBA, CHC, author of "Cure Your Fatigue, The Root Cause And How To Fix It On Your Own," and trained in wellness coaching, nutritional counseling, and functional diagnostic nutrition, and creator and founder of " "The Root Cause Protocol" and the "Magnesium Advocacy Group." He discusses the relationship between magnesium, copper, and Vitamins A and C, as a way to free ourselves from illness and disease.
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Any health related information on the followingshow provides general information only. Content presented
on any show by any host orguests should not be substituted for a doctor's
advice. Always consult your physician beforebeginning any new diet, exercise, or
treatment program. Welcome, beautiful people. I love you so much, and
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I always start off my show witha prayer, and I ask you to
join me in whichever way you wouldlike. And I just ask our divine
creator to please fill our hearts withstrength and compassion. And we ask for
you to place in an army ofangels to help protect each and every one
of us everywhere on this planet,and to have them help protect and guide
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us through everything that we are encounteringthese days. To fill our hearts with
peace, and to please bring peacethroughout the world for everyone. And we
ask this for everyone listening now andfor everyone listening in the future. And
so it is so I have aspectacular guest on today, and I've been
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really excited about having him on.It's Morley Robbins, and he is a
creator and founder of the Root CauseProtocol and he is also with a start,
creator and founder of the Magnesium advocacygroup. He received a BA in
biology from Dennison University in Ohio andholds the MBA from George Washington University in
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healthcare administration. And he was trainedin wellness coaching, nutritional counseling, and
functional diagnostic nutrition. But he's alsoknown for advocating magnesium. But his most
recent book, which is Cure YourFatigue, The Root Cause and How to
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Fix It, is more along thelines of Copper and I welcome you to
the show today, Morley. Well, thank you, Nancy, it's great
to be here. Thank you.So I wanted to talk to you first
because this is such an important messagethat I really needed to hear. And
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I first heard you on doctor BrianArtists's show, who as a friend of
mine I know in Dallas, andI admire his work and everything he's been
doing bring truth to the world.And I do recommend y'all's interview on doctor
Artists's website. But one of thethings that really hit home to me was
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when I was two, I wasgiven an overdose of penicillin by my pediatrician
and it left me in the hospitalon the verge of death. In fact,
they told my parents I wasn't goingto live, and they gave me
quite a few blood transfusions and thenthey did bone marrow tests on me and
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things like that with no anesthetic.And I did survive, obviously, but
my dad said that's what really madehim believe in God. But I was
left with acute anemia afterwards, andso my entire childhood I had people pushing
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iron and liver and lots of meatproducts at me, trying to get rid
of this acute anemia. And Ibecame a sugar addict, and then my
doctor told me to switch to artificialsweeteners, and you can just imagine the
roller coaster I went on into mytwenties before I finally woke up and realized
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that none of this was working andit was not making move well. But
I was just seemed to be gettingmore ill. And it wasn't until I
really stopped listening to all that andstarted researching it myself that I started reversing
all these things and getting well.And I would love for you to share
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because some of the some of thesigns of copper deficiency are fatigue, poor
immunity, premature gray hair, paleskin, anemia, and irregular heartbeat.
Osteoporosis in bone fractures, and youknow, I just really think what they
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should have been having me do ishave copper supplement it. That's right.
I would love to hear your viewson that situation and what happened and what
you would have recommended in that inthat situation. Absolutely, So it's important
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for the listeners to understand that thenumber one element on planet Earth, but
it's thirty six percent of the Earth'scomposition, is i am and humanisms are
the most evolved species on the planet. So for us we have to accept
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the following states that the most evolvedspecies has lost the ability to the tabolize
the number one element, and itmakes no sense. So what happened happened
with a little girl? Did youhave siblings? Yes? I was one
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of five. And where are youin the pecking order? I was second
oldest, second oldest. All right, Well, well, and you had
penicillin? Because why what was thereason for the penicillan? I think I
had a cold? Okay, Well, so this was after you were born.
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It was just an infant. Iwas two, okay, so too.
So what a lot of people don'tknow is that penicillin you know it's
an antibiotic we've all of used.I used to get your infections all the
time as a kid, and I'mafraid to tell you how much penicillin I
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was exposed to. But when penicillabreaks down in the body, it becomes
another chemical called penicillamine amine, andit's the most powerful copper key leader on
the planet. It's right up therewith glyphosate. We're round up that people
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might know about. Round Up isnot our friend. High fruit toast,
corn syrup is not our friend.Penicillin and cypro it's modern equivalent. They're
not our friend because they all chelatecopper. And what doctors are not taught.
I would probably do it a littledifferently if I was teaching doctors,
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But doctors are not taught that everyfacet of iron metabolism requires copper. You
can't make chem without copper. Youcan't make chemoglobin without copper. You can't
form the red blood cell without copper. You can't put the iron in the
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center of the heam molecule without copper. There's so many facets of copper metabolism
that are woven into iron dynamics thatno one knows about, and so when
you presented with signs of low iron, anemia and probably pale and fatigue.
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I mean, I've read over fivehundred articles on copper. What would be
the first thing I would would encourageyou to do is get some bee pollen,
get some beef liver if you don'tlike beef liver. I think we're
left with some really nutrient dense rootvegetables, assuming they're grown in copper rich
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soil. And that's the challenge we'vegot now is people don't realize how ravaged
the soil is. It doesn't havethe minerals that our great grandparents and their
ancestors had, and so we're constantlyworking up uphill to try to get nutrients
in our food. But the thelow hemoglobin that you likely presented with would
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have very easily been corrected with copper. You could you could have used chlorophyll,
because chlorophyll has chlorophillin in it andthat has copper in it. Chlorophill
In has copper. You would haveperked right up. The Fact that it
was a long standing condition means thatyou were you were really compromised as an
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infant. The loss of copper wassignificant, and it would suggest that your
mom wasn't the sharpest tack in themineral drawer when she produced you. And
so again I don't know that theparticulars, but I've had thousands and thousands
of conversations with clients only to findout that the mom was under stressed.
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So there was some pre existing conditionin the mom that produced a child that
had some kind of iron issue thatwas actually a copper issue. That is
so important to note because I thinkanemia is at all time highs and and
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I think people struggle with batigue constantly. And I think that, you know,
it's funny my daughter when she movedout on her own, she got
copper silverware, she got copper cup, she has copper water bottle, she
has copper everything. And I thoughtthat was just really interesting because it was
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a bit unusual. But now Irealized that she instinctively knew that she needed
this copper. And so I thinkthat is a really important thing that people
need to be aware of. Andas I started researching the health and nutrition,
I realize that people are so devoidof minerals in this life to say
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which is the chemical and round upready which I understand as a mineral keylator
so it destroys all the minerals,but copper being one of those. It
is that the way you see it, it destroys the copper, absolutely,
but it's it's orders of magnitude.It's important for the listener to understand that
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copper. It's think of it interms of earthquakes. We know that an
earthquake of three is very different thanan earthquake of six. You don't want
to be around an earthquake of sixbecause it's very, very devastating. Well,
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glyphosacchaylates magnesium at a three and acchaelateszinc at a nine, but acchaelates
copper at a twelve. So whatdoes that mean. It means that Glyphos
is chilating copper a billion times fasterthan acchailates magnesium. But it's also a
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chylating copper a thousand times faster thanachilates inc. The difficulty we have,
Nancy, is we can't relate toa thousand times faster. It's just you
know, there was a time whenI could run a mile in eight minutes,
and my son around that same time, when he was in college,
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he ran a mile in four uhtwo. So he was twice as fast
as I was. Now, thefunny thing is his old man went to
a gym to see what it feltlike to run a four minute mile,
and the machinery was doing all thework. I almost killed myself getting into
the treadmill. But we can't relateto a thousand times faster. But yet,
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that's the difference between glyphos acilating thinkand glyphos alan copper. What does
it mean. It means that glyphosais a perfect key lator of copper.
Nothing gets in its way, Andpeople don't realize the meme that runs medicine
one planet Earth is your anemic andyour copper toxic. And we're taught to
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believe that we don't have enough iron, and we're taught to believe that we
have too much copper. Well,it's just the opposite. That meme is
an absolute lie, And when youget into the weeds of it, a
healthy human has one hundred milligrams ofcopper and five thousand milligrams of iron,
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and that's considered a healthy balance betweenthose two minimums. But the difference is
in the world of Chinese medicine,copper is called the general an iron is
called called the foot soldier. Wedon't need to be in the military to
know there's a difference between the generaland a foot soldier. Generals have more
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brass, right, what's brass madeout of It's made out of copper,
eighty eight percent copper. And sothe copper, that small amount of copper,
it's one hundred milligrams. If wehad a nutrient capsule that would hold
a thousand milligrams, So we're talkingabout one tenth of a capsule of copper.
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Is copper a hundred milligrams and it'sfive capsules of iron, But that
one hundred milligrams is running the show. And people have never been taught that.
People don't know how totally dependent theirphysiology is on this underdog called copper,
and it really is the unsung heroof human metabolism. It's interesting learning
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all this about the copper because I'vealso so recently been learning about electroculture that
was written about by Rudolph Steiner.And so I've got like copper wires out
around my fence posts and and downwhere the tree roots are and roped up,
and it pulls down that full spectrumof energy from the sun where the
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roots and makes them stronger. Andyou know, it's just it's really quite
remarkable how over the last I don'tknow, hundred and it's like nineteen twenties
or something, we really probably shouldjust if the medical community tells us one
thing, just assume it's the opposite, because it's just been it's been an
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absolute rainwashing and conditioning of us tobelieve certain things when they're just not true.
And then this life is, say, which is now in our rainwater,
which none of us can escape anymore, but because even organic crops have
it rain on it and and itwas originally patented as an antibiotic, meaning
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it kills all live blocks of theshagamate pathway. And I believe that's got
the glycine complex amino acid possibly init. And so you know, one
of these things that I've learned isyou've got to like remineralize yourself all the
time from possibly from mind minerals thatwere before pollution, that are plentiful and
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probably sealed over before we had allthis pollution and depletion in our soils.
But also you know, not onlyadding that back in on a just a
constant basis, but then looking athow these things affect each other. And
you know, I was, Iwas talking to someone the other day about
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statin drugs and lesterral and I wouldlove to hear how you see the copper
affecting our brains, because our brainsare almost entirely made of cholesterol, and
so are our nerve cells. Tolike, people that have neuropathy and out
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things like that have some serious problemswith And so everybody I know seems to
be I get clients for health counseling, probably similarly to you, but so
many of them are struggling with differentthings of this sort, and they their
doctors seem to all have them oncholesterol lowering drugs. Yeah, it's it's
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an absolute abomination to do that.There was a time period when there was
no oxygen on this planet. Alot of people don't know that, and
then there was an introduction of ofoxygen because the blue green allgeology cyanobacteria started
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playing with the sun to create photosynthesis. They started giving off oxygen. And
we're going way back in the timemachine. And the thing is when that
happened, when there was we havethe air we're breathing right now. Nancy
has twenty one percent oxygen. Oxygen'snot our friend. It's a metabolic poison.
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But back in the time machine,when there was one tenth of one
percent oxygen in the atmosphere, itwiped out ninety nine percent of life on
the planet because it was anaerobic.It was living without oxygen. And over
time what emerged were really critical chemicalsto allow life on the planet with oxygen.
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Well, one of those chemicals peopledon't realize how important cholesterol is.
It was one of the first chemicalsproduced on the planet to deal with xx
oxygen. And what people don't knowis that it takes eleven molecules of oxygen
to make one molecule of cholesterol.And so what is cholesterol. It's an
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oxygen sink in a body that doesn'thave enough cholesterol. Because the way our
body and our metabolism is designed,what we need to do is take this
poison that we're breathing in the airis oxygen. It needs to be kissed
by a copper based enzyme in ourmitochondria, and that oxygen O two becomes
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two molecules of water two H two. It's the most important transaction on planet
Earth, turning oxygen into water.And when that happens that it can only
happen in a pH of seven.So turn oxygen into water, perfect pH.
It releases the energy molecules so wecan go about our day. And
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that's why the book I wrote iscalled Cure Your Fatigue, because every condition
in the Mark Manual, there arethirty thousand conditions to outline. In the
Mark Manual, every condition begins withenergy deficiency because there isn't enough copper to
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turn oxygen into water. And sothis mind numbing march to lower people's cholesterol
is against the very foundation of theformation of this planet. Our maker and
Mother Nature designed us, as younoted, to have cholesterol in our brain,
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to have cholesterol in our nerves,to have cholesterol in our liver,
in our bloodstream, and we werenever designed to lower it. And what's
important is that in nineteen seventy threehe's still living. A world renowned copper
expert. His name is Leslie Clavey. It's a guy. Leslie Clavey has
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an MD and a PhD from alittle school in Boston called Harvard. You've
probably heard of it, and verytalented guy and his sole focus he's a
cardiologist that focuses on copper, coppermetabolism and copper deficiency. And in nineteen
seventy three, just as they wereramping up statins, he proved that the
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cause of the rise in cholesterol wasfrom a lack of copper. Nineteen seventy
three, just as lipator was comingonline, just as Krestour was coming online.
And that experiment that he did hasbeen replicated in thirty labs around the
world. That everybody knows about itbecause big pharma has a lot of money
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and muscles, and they don't letthings out that they don't want people to
know about. And so what hewent on to prove in two thousand and
two he wrote a very important article. So thirty years later he writes an
article and he outlines eighty anatomical,chemical, and physiological defects in a copper
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deficient heart eighty eight zero And howmany of those are taught in medical school.
None. Because the whole dynamic ofcopper metabolism kills big pharma. And
so the phrase that I use earlythat coppers toxic, it's only toxic to
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one thing, big farm of profit, and copper shuts down all the problems
in the body because it knows howto create energy, clear exhaust, get
rid of pathogens. And none ofthis is known in the general circles.
And I appreciate the chance to havethis conversation because this is a message that
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is critical, especially three years aftertwenty twenty. People don't realize what COVID.
In my world, what did COVIDstand for? The CoV stands for
coppers vanished, and i D standsfor irons disregulated. And I knew a
few weeks into the experience what wasgoing on, and it was a life
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changing experience for me and for alot of people that I talk with.
So I think it's important for peopleto get this message that there are very
simple mechanisms, very simple solutions inour diet that would allow us to regain
our energy, regain our equilibrium,regain our hemoglobin. And it doesn't have
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to be on an animal based diet. I think it's easier on an animal
based diet. But the key tothis whole process, and you probably have
pieces together, is retsin all theanimal based form is really really important.
But what I just came across recentlyand the last probably two to three weeks,
is that there are yeast that producesretsin all. So I'm trying to
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figure out commercially how can we makethat happen, because there are a lot
of people who are vegetarian who getfrustrated by the animal based focus of the
RCP. But I think there maybe a solution in the future based upon
the genius of the yeast and theirability to work with copper and retinal that
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is so interesting. And just touchingon cholesterol one more time is two the
little statements. But doctor Lee Merrittsays that there was a study done and
they found that if you're below threeforty in cholesterol, then then you can
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get dementia. And if you wantto be healthy, you'd want three.
I think it's three forty are abovein cholesterol, and I find that most
people are trying to get way belowthat. They're trying to get throw one
system right. And then doctor StephanieSeneff, who researched heart disease and she's
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a major gliphastate researcher who studied itfor a very long time at MT.
I mean, she her research withglyphistate and how it just just joys,
you know, the life force ofthe of the ground. And then if
you look at the electric culture,the electroculture helps if like if you have
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copper in the ground, it helpsthe groundhold water. So if we have
copper in our bodies, I wouldassume it helps us hold that water better.
And from what I have founded withmy researches, most diseases are a
result of chronic intercellular dehydration, rightright, So i'd love I'd love your
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thoughts on that. Absolutely, that'sa really important concept for people to understand.
Again, we have forty quadrillion mitochondriain our body, so that's fifteen
zeros. And and on the onthe cover of my book, whether people
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can see it, but there's alarge mitochondria. It's it's really they're not
that big. But the thing isthey're little water wheels. So when when
oxygen comes into the mitochondria, itneeds to be turned into water. O
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two needs to be kissed by anenzyme called cytochrome c oxidase. It's the
color of your banner, that colorblue of your banner, live organic,
healthy lifestyle. That's the color ofcomplex four and inside our mitochondria. And
why is that important Because blue tissueattracts red light and that red light is
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critical for this process of turning oxygeninto two molecules of water. And there's
fifty thousand atoms of copper inside eachmitochondria. That's the penetrating research of Paul
Cobine at Auburn University in two thousandand four, in two thousand and six,
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amazing discoveries based upon yeasts, andit turns out the east are mini
mammals. They're little, little,tiny mammals, and and so the mitochondria
when they're healthy, when they're functioningright, when they've got the right mineral
composition, especially copper, they're producingwater. Well, if they're not producing
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water, if they are dehydrating,it means they don't have enough copper.
They can't make energy, they can'trelease the energy molecules all because of a
lack of copper to complete the cycleinside the mitochondria. So dehydration of the
mitochondria is it makes perfect sense interms of the functioning of how we work.
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And so the mitochondria are water wheels. And if the iron starts to
build up inside the chondria, andit will if there isn't enough copper to
recycle it, the iron needs tobe recycled inside the mitochondria needs to be
turned back into hem or iron sulfurclusters. But if it's if the iron
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starts to build inside the mitochondria,the mitochondria get rusty and nothing good that
comes from rust. And what isimportant for the listeners to understand is that
every facet of aging, of theproblems of aging, are caused by iron
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accumulation in our tissue. And whereasit accumulating the fastest in the mitochondria and
accumulates and it gets stuck there becausethe person doesn't have enough copper in their
diet, because the modern food systemis not designed around copper and is not
designed around magnesem either. But thepublic needs to know how critical these two
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minerals are for their health and wellbeing, especially to be able to produce
energy to respond to the religious stressthat we deal with day in and day
out. That is so fascinating,and my mind's going to all kinds of
different questions I want to ask you, and I'm like, how does vitamin
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C affect it? And you knowwhat about hydrogen? Because I have like
a hydrogen infuser for my air machine, my er de contamination machine, and
I would love for you because Ithink coppered efficiency also looks like it is
like a vitamin C like almost likescurvy. I found I found a very
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important letter that was written by Albert'sfund Gorgy. He's the guy who got
the Nobel Prize for discovering vitamin Cor a scorbic acid as they called it,
And eighteen months before he got theaward, on the fourth of July
nineteen thirty six, he wrote aletter to the editor of Nature Journal.
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Well, you see the diagram behindme, there's a picking order of journals.
When Nature is right at the top. There's no journal that's more important
than Nature Journal. And in thearticle doctor Spincourt, he was very clear
and he said, and I quote, ascorbic acid does not cure scurvy.
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And the manipulation of the facts andthe distortions of the truth around ascorbic acid
versus whole food vitamin C complex islegendary on this planet and people don't realize
that real vitamin C that you findin the food system. It's like the
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cars we drive. There's an engine, there's four wheels, there's a steering
wheel, and there's a cover overthe enzyme and that you've got to have
all those moving parts in order tomake the vitamin C work well. The
engine a vitamin C is called tyrosinase, one of the most important enzymes on
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the planet. Ascorbic acid is thecover of your car and no moving parts.
It's a gross distortion and deception onthe planet. And again there are
the vast majority of people are convincedthat ascorbic acid is vitamin C. It's
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not the same. And what Ifind absolutely laughable is there's one lab in
China that makes all of the scorbicacid in the planet, and it's made
with gmo corn being mixed with sulfuricacid. One lab makes it, and
then one hundred and fifty companies competewith each other saying, well, my
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scorbic acid is better than neuroscorbic acid, and it's all made by the same
company. But it's not real,it's not natural. It does not have
the enzyme tyrosinase in it, andthat tyrosanase is profoundly important for sugar metabolism,
healthy iron metabolism, the coloring ofour skin. You and I were
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born with red hair right when wewere little, and Nancy, if I
thought about the sun. I wouldget sunburned, and so I was very
prone to sunburn as a child.And now later in life, I've got
a very different diet than I grewup with. I used to eat,
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you know, sugar frosted flakes,and I mean, I'm embarrassed to tell
you what I ate as a child. But now it's a very different diet.
But it's very mineral rich, verynutrient rich, and I could go
out in the dead of summer withno clothes on and not get sunburned now.
And that's the power of copper andretinal and other minerals and nutrients that
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allow for proper regulation to exposure tosunlight. And this is all lost in
the modern world. People don't realizehow we're being manipulated by a narrative,
because the narrative is to sell drugs, and that's not natural. It's just
a narrative. And I think it'simportant for people to hear this message in
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programs like this Thank you, andso, as you know, I recommend
to my clients that any supplement theytake has to list real food on it
and not chemicals. And so Ialways say that the chemical versions of things
are not healing. That are yousaying that the vitamin C and whole real
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food does actually contain it? Does? I don't. What I worry about,
Nancy, is foods have been hybridizedtremendously over the last hundred years.
I don't know what the nutrient contentis of an orange today versus one hundred
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years ago. I think it's different. And that's why on rare occasions I
tell people you need to supplement withcertain minerals like magnesium and copper because they're
critical to our energy production. AndI think it's I just got a note
from a client of mine just yesterdayand was pointing out that he developed a
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symptom that was a clear indication oflow copper. He's very strict about what
he eats. He went out ofhis way to get organic produce from a
farmer that he trusted, and aftera week hen he couldn't break it.
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He then took some of the supplementsthat I sell the recuperate. He said,
within two days the symptoms were gone. And so I think it's important
for people to realize that the foodsystem of today is not the food system
of our great grandparents. It hasbeen depleted, it has been manipulated,
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it has been massaged chemically. Andthe one of the other factors is one
of the most prevalent chemicals that areused in food processing are chemicals called tyrosinase
inhibitors. Oh, so, thevery enzyme that's critical for producing color in
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our skin and our eyes and ourhair, in our organs, all the
organs from yellow to black are madefrom an enzyme called melanin that depends on
the copper from tyrosinase. And colorsare very important inside our body, just
as they're important inside our body,and they're using tyrosinase inhibitors to block that.
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Why because when foods get spoiled,they get brown, right, they
get they get darker. Well,that's a that's a very natural reaction,
that's a very healthy reaction. Andfoods are designed for shelf life, not
long human life. And so peopleneed to understand that there's a price to
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be paid by using these processed foods. Well, and I'm sixty eight,
so I grew up in the eraof margarine and cristo and high fridose corn
syrup and all of those just reallyharmful packaged process foods types of things.
But a lot of people I findtoday were raised on process foods, foods
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that are microwave, foods that comeout of it can, and they do
not know how to eat real foodanymore. And I find that to be
a real problem with people, becauseyou know, not eating whole real food
like vegetables, you don't get thefiber, and I find that most people
have terrible constipation. One thing Ifound with magnesium, and I'd love to
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hear what you think about magnesium copperand how they interact together. But magnesium
is something that some people can takeorally and it will help move their system
through and help them to not beas compacted or constipated. And I would
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love to hear your thoughts on magnesium. It's important and how it might also
affect the copper and your health absolutelywell. The focus of the book that
I wrote is around three minerals.It's around magnesium, bi available copper,
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an iron, and I sneak retinolin there as another a nutrient. But
it's important for people to understand thatthere is a relationship between those three and
so the bulk of the iron inour body, seventy percent of our iron
is a waiter. If you that'shemoglobin. So seventy percent of the iron
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in our body is tied up inhemoglobin, and it's a weight carrying oxygen.
If you include myoglobin, which isfound in our muscles, it's another
weight holding oxygen. So eighty percentof the iron in our body is a
waiter when no one's asking who's thechef, and the chef is copper inside
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the mitochondria, slicing and dicing thatoxygen to turn it into water. And
what's really important is is that whenwe're under stress. Do you know anybody's
under stress, Nancy, Like everyoneand their brother, right, and their
sister. And so when we're understress, we lose minerals very quickly.
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If it's an acute stress, we'reable to lose magnesium and our B vitamins
like that very quickly. They goright into our urine. When we're under
chronic stress like we were a fewyears ago, what happens is the body
produces a chemical in the liver calledmetallothioning, and it's activated by zinc ding
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ding ding. People didn't realize thatthe covid cocktail they were taking was causing
their copper to get bound up,but the metallothining binds up copper a thousand
times stronger than it binds up zinc. We're back to that thousand number again.
And so when we're under stressed,our minerals are being compromised. Well,
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if copper is not bioavailable because thereisn't sufficient retsint all in the diet
to run the enzymes that load copperinto the copper enzymes, then iron is
going to take off like a rocket. There's a very tight relationship between status
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of copper status of iron. Andwhen copper loses its bioavailability or it is
not inadequate amounts in the body,iron will become very dominant very quickly.
It will interact with oxygen very quickly, which will create what's called oxidative stress.
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And what gets burned up by oxidativestress magnesium. So that's why there's
this relationship between the three. Socopper is essential to keep iron in regulation
to maintain hayne magnesium status. Andwhen I started this work almost fifteen years
ago, now I was very focusedon magnesium and very's focused on the stress
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that caused magnesium lass. I meanI was I really understood that intimately,
and it was about five years intothe process. When I was reading an
article about iron an iron stress byan Italian group of iron researchers, and
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it hit me like a ton ofbricks. I went, Oh, my
gosh, it's the iron that's buildingup in our body as we age that
is causing this accelerated magnesium loss.And that's what got me to copper to
find out, Well, who's mindingthe show and who's running the iron?
Wanting to find out that it's copperand it's a very sophisticated system that has
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been underway on this planet for along time, but it is those dynamics
between copper and iron and magnesem arenot taught in doctor school that its physicians
that their degree, their MD degreestands for mineral denialist because they don't know
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what minerals do inside the body.They don't realize that they are they're not.
They're the keys to start the engine, and if the keys aren't present,
it doesn't matter what you do totry to start your car. If
you don't have the keys, it'snot going to not going to turn over
and you're not going to be ableto go where you want to go.
Well, the enzymes in our bodywork exactly the same way, and it's
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important for people to appreciate how importantthese mineral catalysts mineral keys are inside our
body. That is such great information, and it really it makes me think
about what you said. Well,first of all, they stopped teaching nutrition
in medical school, I think innineteen sixty. But I believe that you
talked about the fact that they startedputting literal iron shavings into our food.
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I want to I want to say, you said nineteen forty one, and
then they increased it by thirty percentor fifty percent nineteen sixty nine. Yeah,
I think people have no clue thatthat is happening. I was totally
shocked, and I think we're alljust rusting out, aren't we. Well,
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we are one of the things thatthe iron biologists agree on, and
this is a really simple concept.This isn't my idea. I picked it
up from reading the articles of famousiron biologists like Douglas Kell and Robert Crichton
and Gutteridge in Hellowell. What theyall agree on is that we accumulate about
one milligram of iron every day we'reon the planet. Well, wait a
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minute, all we gotta do isget a calculator out, I'm seventy you
said, I think you said you'reseventy two sixty eight. Well excuse me,
but I can tell you seventy timesthree sixty five is a big numbers.
Twenty four thousand milligrams of iron,I don't I don't have five capsules
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of iron. I have twenty fivecapsules of iron. And there's only so
much copper I can get into mybody. And that's why it's important to
lower the iron footprint in our body. And we recommend that people get that
they do blood donations on a regularbasis. For post metapausal women and men,
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they can do it four times ayear. But for women who have
a monthly a menstrual cycle, theycan still do it a couple of times
a year with no issue. Andso it's important for people to realize that
every facet of aging is from ironaccumulation. And so we've got to lower
that iron footprint and increase the copperfootprint in order to ensure our longevity.
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And so what I know for afact is it iron causes aging and copper
causes longevity. That's an important conceptto understand. And that's again it's so
basic, it's so central, butit violates this meme that runs the planet.
You're anemic and you're copper toxic.It's the first thing people, when
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you start talking to your clients andtell them that you think it'd be really
important for them to take a coppersupplement, the first thing they'll say,
Yancy, is well, I thoughtit caused toxicity. It's the very first
thing you'll hear again and again andagain. All right, It's just it's
it's really mind blowing how how misinformedall of us have been all our lives
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because they've been giving us the wronginformation all along. I cannot believe this
time has gone by so quickly.But your information is Finn's fantastic. And
we just have a few minutes leftand I'd love for you to give your
website I can contact information or anythingelse that you would like to share with
our listeners before we have to designoff. Yeah, people are welcome to
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go to the Root Cause protocol dotcom. It's a lot of information.
Go to the resources to have there'sa there's two Facebook groups. There's a
Facebook group called the Magnesium Advocacy Group, and there's another Facebook page for the
Root cause protocol for people who wantto reach out to me personally. My
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email address is my first and lastname, Morley Robbins at gmail dot com,
and I always give out my phonenumber at terry code eight four seven
nine two two eight zero six one. Podcast hosts always blanks when I give
out my phone number, that dude, aren't you. I don't worry about
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that. I know the people thatreally need to get a hold of able
to do so, and I lookforward to the conversation. I'm regularly contacted
by people around the world thanking mefor saving their lives. I have no
idea who they are, just they'vejust come across the protocol and it's it's
just an honor to be able toshare this information and help people get back
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into balance. Well, I can'tthank you enough if I'm so honored to
have you on the show, andI would love to have you back on
to expand on any of these particularsubjects as we've touched, and I'd loved
to touch on light therapy and howthe screens put out you know, this
blue light, that this joys theirmelatonin, and I'd love to have you
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on talking about that kind of thing. But with our last minute, I
would love for you to just sharea closing thought with our listeners before we
before we have to sign off.Absolutely, a lot of people are on
hormone replacement therapy now, and Ithink it's important for people to know that
that's a modern phenomenon, that there'sa copper enzyme that your doctor has never
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taught about. It's called the PAMenzyme, and it's what regulates our hormones.
We have about four thousand peptides inour body that work just like these
phones. They got to be turnedon, and the pam enzyme turns on
those enzymes and turns on the regulationof those hormones. So there's a whole
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another world out there that people arenot aware of about how to regulate their
homeless sasis and their energy production.And you happy to talk further about that
in a future show, that wouldbe great. And so this sort of
thank you and we're time for joiningme today, and I'm gonna send you
some future dates and I hope you'lljoin me again and we can just expand
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on all of these subjects and includinghormones for all lovely listeners out there.
Morley and I just want to thankyou. We're honored that you'd share your
value time with us, and weencourage you to stay strong and remember to
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get your copper and magnesium and absolutely, really, just really quick, can
you tell two brands like a magnesiumand a copper that you would recommend to
our listeners before we have to signup. A company is called a formula
Iq and they make a wonderful magnesiumthat they're actually making both a malle and
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a unc licening. And then thecopper product that I designed about two years
ago, it's called Recuperate and it'sit's just my unending with Recooper eight and
it's helping a lot of people regaintheir mojo. So I think people would
find that very very helpful. Thankyou so much, Morley, and thank
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you listeners ever around the world.We love you and I will talk to
you next week. Thanks so much. Thank care.
Any health related information on the followingshow provides general information only. Content presented
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advice. Always consult your physician beforebeginning any new diet, exercise, or
treatment program. Welcome, beautiful people. I love you so much, and
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I always start off my show witha prayer, and I ask you to
join me in whichever way you wouldlike. And I just ask our divine
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you to place in an army ofangels to help protect each and every one
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us through everything that we are encounteringthese days. To fill our hearts with
peace, and to please bring peacethroughout the world for everyone. And we
ask this for everyone listening now andfor everyone listening in the future. And
so it is so I have aspectacular guest on today, and I've been
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really excited about having him on.It's Morley Robbins, and he is a
creator and founder of the Root CauseProtocol and he is also with a start,
creator and founder of the Magnesium advocacygroup. He received a BA in
biology from Dennison University in Ohio andholds the MBA from George Washington University in
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healthcare administration. And he was trainedin wellness coaching, nutritional counseling, and
functional diagnostic nutrition. But he's alsoknown for advocating magnesium. But his most
recent book, which is Cure YourFatigue, The Root Cause and How to
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Fix It, is more along thelines of Copper and I welcome you to
the show today, Morley. Well, thank you, Nancy, it's great
to be here. Thank you.So I wanted to talk to you first
because this is such an important messagethat I really needed to hear. And
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I first heard you on doctor BrianArtists's show, who as a friend of
mine I know in Dallas, andI admire his work and everything he's been
doing bring truth to the world.And I do recommend y'all's interview on doctor
Artists's website. But one of thethings that really hit home to me was
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when I was two, I wasgiven an overdose of penicillin by my pediatrician
and it left me in the hospitalon the verge of death. In fact,
they told my parents I wasn't goingto live, and they gave me
quite a few blood transfusions and thenthey did bone marrow tests on me and
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things like that with no anesthetic.And I did survive, obviously, but
my dad said that's what really madehim believe in God. But I was
left with acute anemia afterwards, andso my entire childhood I had people pushing
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iron and liver and lots of meatproducts at me, trying to get rid
of this acute anemia. And Ibecame a sugar addict, and then my
doctor told me to switch to artificialsweeteners, and you can just imagine the
roller coaster I went on into mytwenties before I finally woke up and realized
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that none of this was working andit was not making move well. But
I was just seemed to be gettingmore ill. And it wasn't until I
really stopped listening to all that andstarted researching it myself that I started reversing
all these things and getting well.And I would love for you to share
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because some of the some of thesigns of copper deficiency are fatigue, poor
immunity, premature gray hair, paleskin, anemia, and irregular heartbeat.
Osteoporosis in bone fractures, and youknow, I just really think what they
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should have been having me do ishave copper supplement it. That's right.
I would love to hear your viewson that situation and what happened and what
you would have recommended in that inthat situation. Absolutely, So it's important
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for the listeners to understand that thenumber one element on planet Earth, but
it's thirty six percent of the Earth'scomposition, is i am and humanisms are
the most evolved species on the planet. So for us we have to accept
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the following states that the most evolvedspecies has lost the ability to the tabolize
the number one element, and itmakes no sense. So what happened happened
with a little girl? Did youhave siblings? Yes? I was one
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of five. And where are youin the pecking order? I was second
oldest, second oldest. All right, Well, well, and you had
penicillin? Because why what was thereason for the penicillan? I think I
had a cold? Okay, Well, so this was after you were born.
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It was just an infant. Iwas two, okay, so too.
So what a lot of people don'tknow is that penicillin you know it's
an antibiotic we've all of used.I used to get your infections all the
time as a kid, and I'mafraid to tell you how much penicillin I
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was exposed to. But when penicillabreaks down in the body, it becomes
another chemical called penicillamine amine, andit's the most powerful copper key leader on
the planet. It's right up therewith glyphosate. We're round up that people
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might know about. Round Up isnot our friend. High fruit toast,
corn syrup is not our friend.Penicillin and cypro it's modern equivalent. They're
not our friend because they all chelatecopper. And what doctors are not taught.
I would probably do it a littledifferently if I was teaching doctors,
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But doctors are not taught that everyfacet of iron metabolism requires copper. You
can't make chem without copper. Youcan't make chemoglobin without copper. You can't
form the red blood cell without copper. You can't put the iron in the
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center of the heam molecule without copper. There's so many facets of copper metabolism
that are woven into iron dynamics thatno one knows about, and so when
you presented with signs of low iron, anemia and probably pale and fatigue.
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I mean, I've read over fivehundred articles on copper. What would be
the first thing I would would encourageyou to do is get some bee pollen,
get some beef liver if you don'tlike beef liver. I think we're
left with some really nutrient dense rootvegetables, assuming they're grown in copper rich
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soil. And that's the challenge we'vegot now is people don't realize how ravaged
the soil is. It doesn't havethe minerals that our great grandparents and their
ancestors had, and so we're constantlyworking up uphill to try to get nutrients
in our food. But the thelow hemoglobin that you likely presented with would
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have very easily been corrected with copper. You could you could have used chlorophyll,
because chlorophyll has chlorophillin in it andthat has copper in it. Chlorophill
In has copper. You would haveperked right up. The Fact that it
was a long standing condition means thatyou were you were really compromised as an
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infant. The loss of copper wassignificant, and it would suggest that your
mom wasn't the sharpest tack in themineral drawer when she produced you. And
so again I don't know that theparticulars, but I've had thousands and thousands
of conversations with clients only to findout that the mom was under stressed.
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So there was some pre existing conditionin the mom that produced a child that
had some kind of iron issue thatwas actually a copper issue. That is
so important to note because I thinkanemia is at all time highs and and
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I think people struggle with batigue constantly. And I think that, you know,
it's funny my daughter when she movedout on her own, she got
copper silverware, she got copper cup, she has copper water bottle, she
has copper everything. And I thoughtthat was just really interesting because it was
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a bit unusual. But now Irealized that she instinctively knew that she needed
this copper. And so I thinkthat is a really important thing that people
need to be aware of. Andas I started researching the health and nutrition,
I realize that people are so devoidof minerals in this life to say
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which is the chemical and round upready which I understand as a mineral keylator
so it destroys all the minerals,but copper being one of those. It
is that the way you see it, it destroys the copper, absolutely,
but it's it's orders of magnitude.It's important for the listener to understand that
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copper. It's think of it interms of earthquakes. We know that an
earthquake of three is very different thanan earthquake of six. You don't want
to be around an earthquake of sixbecause it's very, very devastating. Well,
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glyphosacchaylates magnesium at a three and acchaelateszinc at a nine, but acchaelates
copper at a twelve. So whatdoes that mean. It means that Glyphos
is chilating copper a billion times fasterthan acchailates magnesium. But it's also a
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chylating copper a thousand times faster thanachilates inc. The difficulty we have,
Nancy, is we can't relate toa thousand times faster. It's just you
know, there was a time whenI could run a mile in eight minutes,
and my son around that same time, when he was in college,
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he ran a mile in four uhtwo. So he was twice as fast
as I was. Now, thefunny thing is his old man went to
a gym to see what it feltlike to run a four minute mile,
and the machinery was doing all thework. I almost killed myself getting into
the treadmill. But we can't relateto a thousand times faster. But yet,
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that's the difference between glyphos acilating thinkand glyphos alan copper. What does
it mean. It means that glyphosais a perfect key lator of copper.
Nothing gets in its way, Andpeople don't realize the meme that runs medicine
one planet Earth is your anemic andyour copper toxic. And we're taught to
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believe that we don't have enough iron, and we're taught to believe that we
have too much copper. Well,it's just the opposite. That meme is
an absolute lie, And when youget into the weeds of it, a
healthy human has one hundred milligrams ofcopper and five thousand milligrams of iron,
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and that's considered a healthy balance betweenthose two minimums. But the difference is
in the world of Chinese medicine,copper is called the general an iron is
called called the foot soldier. Wedon't need to be in the military to
know there's a difference between the generaland a foot soldier. Generals have more
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brass, right, what's brass madeout of It's made out of copper,
eighty eight percent copper. And sothe copper, that small amount of copper,
it's one hundred milligrams. If wehad a nutrient capsule that would hold
a thousand milligrams, So we're talkingabout one tenth of a capsule of copper.
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Is copper a hundred milligrams and it'sfive capsules of iron, But that
one hundred milligrams is running the show. And people have never been taught that.
People don't know how totally dependent theirphysiology is on this underdog called copper,
and it really is the unsung heroof human metabolism. It's interesting learning
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all this about the copper because I'vealso so recently been learning about electroculture that
was written about by Rudolph Steiner.And so I've got like copper wires out
around my fence posts and and downwhere the tree roots are and roped up,
and it pulls down that full spectrumof energy from the sun where the
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roots and makes them stronger. Andyou know, it's just it's really quite
remarkable how over the last I don'tknow, hundred and it's like nineteen twenties
or something, we really probably shouldjust if the medical community tells us one
thing, just assume it's the opposite, because it's just been it's been an
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absolute rainwashing and conditioning of us tobelieve certain things when they're just not true.
And then this life is, say, which is now in our rainwater,
which none of us can escape anymore, but because even organic crops have
it rain on it and and itwas originally patented as an antibiotic, meaning
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it kills all live blocks of theshagamate pathway. And I believe that's got
the glycine complex amino acid possibly init. And so you know, one
of these things that I've learned isyou've got to like remineralize yourself all the
time from possibly from mind minerals thatwere before pollution, that are plentiful and
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probably sealed over before we had allthis pollution and depletion in our soils.
But also you know, not onlyadding that back in on a just a
constant basis, but then looking athow these things affect each other. And
you know, I was, Iwas talking to someone the other day about
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statin drugs and lesterral and I wouldlove to hear how you see the copper
affecting our brains, because our brainsare almost entirely made of cholesterol, and
so are our nerve cells. Tolike, people that have neuropathy and out
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things like that have some serious problemswith And so everybody I know seems to
be I get clients for health counseling, probably similarly to you, but so
many of them are struggling with differentthings of this sort, and they their
doctors seem to all have them oncholesterol lowering drugs. Yeah, it's it's
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an absolute abomination to do that.There was a time period when there was
no oxygen on this planet. Alot of people don't know that, and
then there was an introduction of ofoxygen because the blue green allgeology cyanobacteria started
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playing with the sun to create photosynthesis. They started giving off oxygen. And
we're going way back in the timemachine. And the thing is when that
happened, when there was we havethe air we're breathing right now. Nancy
has twenty one percent oxygen. Oxygen'snot our friend. It's a metabolic poison.
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But back in the time machine,when there was one tenth of one
percent oxygen in the atmosphere, itwiped out ninety nine percent of life on
the planet because it was anaerobic.It was living without oxygen. And over
time what emerged were really critical chemicalsto allow life on the planet with oxygen.
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Well, one of those chemicals peopledon't realize how important cholesterol is.
It was one of the first chemicalsproduced on the planet to deal with xx
oxygen. And what people don't knowis that it takes eleven molecules of oxygen
to make one molecule of cholesterol.And so what is cholesterol. It's an
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oxygen sink in a body that doesn'thave enough cholesterol. Because the way our
body and our metabolism is designed,what we need to do is take this
poison that we're breathing in the airis oxygen. It needs to be kissed
by a copper based enzyme in ourmitochondria, and that oxygen O two becomes
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two molecules of water two H two. It's the most important transaction on planet
Earth, turning oxygen into water.And when that happens that it can only
happen in a pH of seven.So turn oxygen into water, perfect pH.
It releases the energy molecules so wecan go about our day. And
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that's why the book I wrote iscalled Cure Your Fatigue, because every condition
in the Mark Manual, there arethirty thousand conditions to outline. In the
Mark Manual, every condition begins withenergy deficiency because there isn't enough copper to
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turn oxygen into water. And sothis mind numbing march to lower people's cholesterol
is against the very foundation of theformation of this planet. Our maker and
Mother Nature designed us, as younoted, to have cholesterol in our brain,
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to have cholesterol in our nerves,to have cholesterol in our liver,
in our bloodstream, and we werenever designed to lower it. And what's
important is that in nineteen seventy threehe's still living. A world renowned copper
expert. His name is Leslie Clavey. It's a guy. Leslie Clavey has
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an MD and a PhD from alittle school in Boston called Harvard. You've
probably heard of it, and verytalented guy and his sole focus he's a
cardiologist that focuses on copper, coppermetabolism and copper deficiency. And in nineteen
seventy three, just as they wereramping up statins, he proved that the
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cause of the rise in cholesterol wasfrom a lack of copper. Nineteen seventy
three, just as lipator was comingonline, just as Krestour was coming online.
And that experiment that he did hasbeen replicated in thirty labs around the
world. That everybody knows about itbecause big pharma has a lot of money
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and muscles, and they don't letthings out that they don't want people to
know about. And so what hewent on to prove in two thousand and
two he wrote a very important article. So thirty years later he writes an
article and he outlines eighty anatomical,chemical, and physiological defects in a copper
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deficient heart eighty eight zero And howmany of those are taught in medical school.
None. Because the whole dynamic ofcopper metabolism kills big pharma. And
so the phrase that I use earlythat coppers toxic, it's only toxic to
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one thing, big farm of profit, and copper shuts down all the problems
in the body because it knows howto create energy, clear exhaust, get
rid of pathogens. And none ofthis is known in the general circles.
And I appreciate the chance to havethis conversation because this is a message that
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is critical, especially three years aftertwenty twenty. People don't realize what COVID.
In my world, what did COVIDstand for? The CoV stands for
coppers vanished, and i D standsfor irons disregulated. And I knew a
few weeks into the experience what wasgoing on, and it was a life
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changing experience for me and for alot of people that I talk with.
So I think it's important for peopleto get this message that there are very
simple mechanisms, very simple solutions inour diet that would allow us to regain
our energy, regain our equilibrium,regain our hemoglobin. And it doesn't have
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to be on an animal based diet. I think it's easier on an animal
based diet. But the key tothis whole process, and you probably have
pieces together, is retsin all theanimal based form is really really important.
But what I just came across recentlyand the last probably two to three weeks,
is that there are yeast that producesretsin all. So I'm trying to
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figure out commercially how can we makethat happen, because there are a lot
of people who are vegetarian who getfrustrated by the animal based focus of the
RCP. But I think there maybe a solution in the future based upon
the genius of the yeast and theirability to work with copper and retinal that
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is so interesting. And just touchingon cholesterol one more time is two the
little statements. But doctor Lee Merrittsays that there was a study done and
they found that if you're below threeforty in cholesterol, then then you can
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get dementia. And if you wantto be healthy, you'd want three.
I think it's three forty are abovein cholesterol, and I find that most
people are trying to get way belowthat. They're trying to get throw one
system right. And then doctor StephanieSeneff, who researched heart disease and she's
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a major gliphastate researcher who studied itfor a very long time at MT.
I mean, she her research withglyphistate and how it just just joys,
you know, the life force ofthe of the ground. And then if
you look at the electric culture,the electroculture helps if like if you have
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copper in the ground, it helpsthe groundhold water. So if we have
copper in our bodies, I wouldassume it helps us hold that water better.
And from what I have founded withmy researches, most diseases are a
result of chronic intercellular dehydration, rightright, So i'd love I'd love your
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thoughts on that. Absolutely, that'sa really important concept for people to understand.
Again, we have forty quadrillion mitochondriain our body, so that's fifteen
zeros. And and on the onthe cover of my book, whether people
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can see it, but there's alarge mitochondria. It's it's really they're not
that big. But the thing isthey're little water wheels. So when when
oxygen comes into the mitochondria, itneeds to be turned into water. O
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two needs to be kissed by anenzyme called cytochrome c oxidase. It's the
color of your banner, that colorblue of your banner, live organic,
healthy lifestyle. That's the color ofcomplex four and inside our mitochondria. And
why is that important Because blue tissueattracts red light and that red light is
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critical for this process of turning oxygeninto two molecules of water. And there's
fifty thousand atoms of copper inside eachmitochondria. That's the penetrating research of Paul
Cobine at Auburn University in two thousandand four, in two thousand and six,
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amazing discoveries based upon yeasts, andit turns out the east are mini
mammals. They're little, little,tiny mammals, and and so the mitochondria
when they're healthy, when they're functioningright, when they've got the right mineral
composition, especially copper, they're producingwater. Well, if they're not producing
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water, if they are dehydrating,it means they don't have enough copper.
They can't make energy, they can'trelease the energy molecules all because of a
lack of copper to complete the cycleinside the mitochondria. So dehydration of the
mitochondria is it makes perfect sense interms of the functioning of how we work.
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And so the mitochondria are water wheels. And if the iron starts to
build up inside the chondria, andit will if there isn't enough copper to
recycle it, the iron needs tobe recycled inside the mitochondria needs to be
turned back into hem or iron sulfurclusters. But if it's if the iron
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starts to build inside the mitochondria,the mitochondria get rusty and nothing good that
comes from rust. And what isimportant for the listeners to understand is that
every facet of aging, of theproblems of aging, are caused by iron
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accumulation in our tissue. And whereasit accumulating the fastest in the mitochondria and
accumulates and it gets stuck there becausethe person doesn't have enough copper in their
diet, because the modern food systemis not designed around copper and is not
designed around magnesem either. But thepublic needs to know how critical these two
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minerals are for their health and wellbeing, especially to be able to produce
energy to respond to the religious stressthat we deal with day in and day
out. That is so fascinating,and my mind's going to all kinds of
different questions I want to ask you, and I'm like, how does vitamin
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C affect it? And you knowwhat about hydrogen? Because I have like
a hydrogen infuser for my air machine, my er de contamination machine, and
I would love for you because Ithink coppered efficiency also looks like it is
like a vitamin C like almost likescurvy. I found I found a very
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important letter that was written by Albert'sfund Gorgy. He's the guy who got
the Nobel Prize for discovering vitamin Cor a scorbic acid as they called it,
And eighteen months before he got theaward, on the fourth of July
nineteen thirty six, he wrote aletter to the editor of Nature Journal.
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Well, you see the diagram behindme, there's a picking order of journals.
When Nature is right at the top. There's no journal that's more important
than Nature Journal. And in thearticle doctor Spincourt, he was very clear
and he said, and I quote, ascorbic acid does not cure scurvy.
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And the manipulation of the facts andthe distortions of the truth around ascorbic acid
versus whole food vitamin C complex islegendary on this planet and people don't realize
that real vitamin C that you findin the food system. It's like the
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cars we drive. There's an engine, there's four wheels, there's a steering
wheel, and there's a cover overthe enzyme and that you've got to have
all those moving parts in order tomake the vitamin C work well. The
engine a vitamin C is called tyrosinase, one of the most important enzymes on
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the planet. Ascorbic acid is thecover of your car and no moving parts.
It's a gross distortion and deception onthe planet. And again there are
the vast majority of people are convincedthat ascorbic acid is vitamin C. It's
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not the same. And what Ifind absolutely laughable is there's one lab in
China that makes all of the scorbicacid in the planet, and it's made
with gmo corn being mixed with sulfuricacid. One lab makes it, and
then one hundred and fifty companies competewith each other saying, well, my
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scorbic acid is better than neuroscorbic acid, and it's all made by the same
company. But it's not real,it's not natural. It does not have
the enzyme tyrosinase in it, andthat tyrosanase is profoundly important for sugar metabolism,
healthy iron metabolism, the coloring ofour skin. You and I were
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born with red hair right when wewere little, and Nancy, if I
thought about the sun. I wouldget sunburned, and so I was very
prone to sunburn as a child.And now later in life, I've got
a very different diet than I grewup with. I used to eat,
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you know, sugar frosted flakes,and I mean, I'm embarrassed to tell
you what I ate as a child. But now it's a very different diet.
But it's very mineral rich, verynutrient rich, and I could go
out in the dead of summer withno clothes on and not get sunburned now.
And that's the power of copper andretinal and other minerals and nutrients that
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allow for proper regulation to exposure tosunlight. And this is all lost in
the modern world. People don't realizehow we're being manipulated by a narrative,
because the narrative is to sell drugs, and that's not natural. It's just
a narrative. And I think it'simportant for people to hear this message in
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programs like this Thank you, andso, as you know, I recommend
to my clients that any supplement theytake has to list real food on it
and not chemicals. And so Ialways say that the chemical versions of things
are not healing. That are yousaying that the vitamin C and whole real
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food does actually contain it? Does? I don't. What I worry about,
Nancy, is foods have been hybridizedtremendously over the last hundred years.
I don't know what the nutrient contentis of an orange today versus one hundred
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years ago. I think it's different. And that's why on rare occasions I
tell people you need to supplement withcertain minerals like magnesium and copper because they're
critical to our energy production. AndI think it's I just got a note
from a client of mine just yesterdayand was pointing out that he developed a
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symptom that was a clear indication oflow copper. He's very strict about what
he eats. He went out ofhis way to get organic produce from a
farmer that he trusted, and aftera week hen he couldn't break it.
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He then took some of the supplementsthat I sell the recuperate. He said,
within two days the symptoms were gone. And so I think it's important
for people to realize that the foodsystem of today is not the food system
of our great grandparents. It hasbeen depleted, it has been manipulated,
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it has been massaged chemically. Andthe one of the other factors is one
of the most prevalent chemicals that areused in food processing are chemicals called tyrosinase
inhibitors. Oh, so, thevery enzyme that's critical for producing color in
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our skin and our eyes and ourhair, in our organs, all the
organs from yellow to black are madefrom an enzyme called melanin that depends on
the copper from tyrosinase. And colorsare very important inside our body, just
as they're important inside our body,and they're using tyrosinase inhibitors to block that.
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Why because when foods get spoiled,they get brown, right, they
get they get darker. Well,that's a that's a very natural reaction,
that's a very healthy reaction. Andfoods are designed for shelf life, not
long human life. And so peopleneed to understand that there's a price to
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be paid by using these processed foods. Well, and I'm sixty eight,
so I grew up in the eraof margarine and cristo and high fridose corn
syrup and all of those just reallyharmful packaged process foods types of things.
But a lot of people I findtoday were raised on process foods, foods
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that are microwave, foods that comeout of it can, and they do
not know how to eat real foodanymore. And I find that to be
a real problem with people, becauseyou know, not eating whole real food
like vegetables, you don't get thefiber, and I find that most people
have terrible constipation. One thing Ifound with magnesium, and I'd love to
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hear what you think about magnesium copperand how they interact together. But magnesium
is something that some people can takeorally and it will help move their system
through and help them to not beas compacted or constipated. And I would
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love to hear your thoughts on magnesium. It's important and how it might also
affect the copper and your health absolutelywell. The focus of the book that
I wrote is around three minerals.It's around magnesium, bi available copper,
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an iron, and I sneak retinolin there as another a nutrient. But
it's important for people to understand thatthere is a relationship between those three and
so the bulk of the iron inour body, seventy percent of our iron
is a waiter. If you that'shemoglobin. So seventy percent of the iron
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in our body is tied up inhemoglobin, and it's a weight carrying oxygen.
If you include myoglobin, which isfound in our muscles, it's another
weight holding oxygen. So eighty percentof the iron in our body is a
waiter when no one's asking who's thechef, and the chef is copper inside
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the mitochondria, slicing and dicing thatoxygen to turn it into water. And
what's really important is is that whenwe're under stress. Do you know anybody's
under stress, Nancy, Like everyoneand their brother, right, and their
sister. And so when we're understress, we lose minerals very quickly.
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If it's an acute stress, we'reable to lose magnesium and our B vitamins
like that very quickly. They goright into our urine. When we're under
chronic stress like we were a fewyears ago, what happens is the body
produces a chemical in the liver calledmetallothioning, and it's activated by zinc ding
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ding ding. People didn't realize thatthe covid cocktail they were taking was causing
their copper to get bound up,but the metallothining binds up copper a thousand
times stronger than it binds up zinc. We're back to that thousand number again.
And so when we're under stressed,our minerals are being compromised. Well,
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if copper is not bioavailable because thereisn't sufficient retsint all in the diet
to run the enzymes that load copperinto the copper enzymes, then iron is
going to take off like a rocket. There's a very tight relationship between status
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of copper status of iron. Andwhen copper loses its bioavailability or it is
not inadequate amounts in the body,iron will become very dominant very quickly.
It will interact with oxygen very quickly, which will create what's called oxidative stress.
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And what gets burned up by oxidativestress magnesium. So that's why there's
this relationship between the three. Socopper is essential to keep iron in regulation
to maintain hayne magnesium status. Andwhen I started this work almost fifteen years
ago, now I was very focusedon magnesium and very's focused on the stress
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that caused magnesium lass. I meanI was I really understood that intimately,
and it was about five years intothe process. When I was reading an
article about iron an iron stress byan Italian group of iron researchers, and
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it hit me like a ton ofbricks. I went, Oh, my
gosh, it's the iron that's buildingup in our body as we age that
is causing this accelerated magnesium loss.And that's what got me to copper to
find out, Well, who's mindingthe show and who's running the iron?
Wanting to find out that it's copperand it's a very sophisticated system that has
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been underway on this planet for along time, but it is those dynamics
between copper and iron and magnesem arenot taught in doctor school that its physicians
that their degree, their MD degreestands for mineral denialist because they don't know
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what minerals do inside the body.They don't realize that they are they're not.
They're the keys to start the engine, and if the keys aren't present,
it doesn't matter what you do totry to start your car. If
you don't have the keys, it'snot going to not going to turn over
and you're not going to be ableto go where you want to go.
Well, the enzymes in our bodywork exactly the same way, and it's
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important for people to appreciate how importantthese mineral catalysts mineral keys are inside our
body. That is such great information, and it really it makes me think
about what you said. Well,first of all, they stopped teaching nutrition
in medical school, I think innineteen sixty. But I believe that you
talked about the fact that they startedputting literal iron shavings into our food.
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I want to I want to say, you said nineteen forty one, and
then they increased it by thirty percentor fifty percent nineteen sixty nine. Yeah,
I think people have no clue thatthat is happening. I was totally
shocked, and I think we're alljust rusting out, aren't we. Well,
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we are one of the things thatthe iron biologists agree on, and
this is a really simple concept.This isn't my idea. I picked it
up from reading the articles of famousiron biologists like Douglas Kell and Robert Crichton
and Gutteridge in Hellowell. What theyall agree on is that we accumulate about
one milligram of iron every day we'reon the planet. Well, wait a
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minute, all we gotta do isget a calculator out, I'm seventy you
said, I think you said you'reseventy two sixty eight. Well excuse me,
but I can tell you seventy timesthree sixty five is a big numbers.
Twenty four thousand milligrams of iron,I don't I don't have five capsules
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of iron. I have twenty fivecapsules of iron. And there's only so
much copper I can get into mybody. And that's why it's important to
lower the iron footprint in our body. And we recommend that people get that
they do blood donations on a regularbasis. For post metapausal women and men,
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they can do it four times ayear. But for women who have
a monthly a menstrual cycle, theycan still do it a couple of times
a year with no issue. Andso it's important for people to realize that
every facet of aging is from ironaccumulation. And so we've got to lower
that iron footprint and increase the copperfootprint in order to ensure our longevity.
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And so what I know for afact is it iron causes aging and copper
causes longevity. That's an important conceptto understand. And that's again it's so
basic, it's so central, butit violates this meme that runs the planet.
You're anemic and you're copper toxic.It's the first thing people, when
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you start talking to your clients andtell them that you think it'd be really
important for them to take a coppersupplement, the first thing they'll say,
Yancy, is well, I thoughtit caused toxicity. It's the very first
thing you'll hear again and again andagain. All right, It's just it's
it's really mind blowing how how misinformedall of us have been all our lives
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because they've been giving us the wronginformation all along. I cannot believe this
time has gone by so quickly.But your information is Finn's fantastic. And
we just have a few minutes leftand I'd love for you to give your
website I can contact information or anythingelse that you would like to share with
our listeners before we have to designoff. Yeah, people are welcome to
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go to the Root Cause protocol dotcom. It's a lot of information.
Go to the resources to have there'sa there's two Facebook groups. There's a
Facebook group called the Magnesium Advocacy Group, and there's another Facebook page for the
Root cause protocol for people who wantto reach out to me personally. My
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email address is my first and lastname, Morley Robbins at gmail dot com,
and I always give out my phonenumber at terry code eight four seven
nine two two eight zero six one. Podcast hosts always blanks when I give
out my phone number, that dude, aren't you. I don't worry about
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that. I know the people thatreally need to get a hold of able
to do so, and I lookforward to the conversation. I'm regularly contacted
by people around the world thanking mefor saving their lives. I have no
idea who they are, just they'vejust come across the protocol and it's it's
just an honor to be able toshare this information and help people get back
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into balance. Well, I can'tthank you enough if I'm so honored to
have you on the show, andI would love to have you back on
to expand on any of these particularsubjects as we've touched, and I'd loved
to touch on light therapy and howthe screens put out you know, this
blue light, that this joys theirmelatonin, and I'd love to have you
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on talking about that kind of thing. But with our last minute, I
would love for you to just sharea closing thought with our listeners before we
before we have to sign off.Absolutely, a lot of people are on
hormone replacement therapy now, and Ithink it's important for people to know that
that's a modern phenomenon, that there'sa copper enzyme that your doctor has never
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taught about. It's called the PAMenzyme, and it's what regulates our hormones.
We have about four thousand peptides inour body that work just like these
phones. They got to be turnedon, and the pam enzyme turns on
those enzymes and turns on the regulationof those hormones. So there's a whole
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another world out there that people arenot aware of about how to regulate their
homeless sasis and their energy production.And you happy to talk further about that
in a future show, that wouldbe great. And so this sort of
thank you and we're time for joiningme today, and I'm gonna send you
some future dates and I hope you'lljoin me again and we can just expand
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on all of these subjects and includinghormones for all lovely listeners out there.
Morley and I just want to thankyou. We're honored that you'd share your
value time with us, and weencourage you to stay strong and remember to
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get your copper and magnesium and absolutely, really, just really quick, can
you tell two brands like a magnesiumand a copper that you would recommend to
our listeners before we have to signup. A company is called a formula
Iq and they make a wonderful magnesiumthat they're actually making both a malle and
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a unc licening. And then thecopper product that I designed about two years
ago, it's called Recuperate and it'sit's just my unending with Recooper eight and
it's helping a lot of people regaintheir mojo. So I think people would
find that very very helpful. Thankyou so much, Morley, and thank
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you listeners ever around the world.We love you and I will talk to
you next week. Thanks so much. Thank care.
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