September 20, 2023 • 47 mins
Licensed Massage Therapist, Jessi Mini shares self-help remedies to relieve discomfort from long-term sitting, or standing, or even mental stress at work. These physical issues can affect our recreational outdoor activities.
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Radio. Welcome to outdoors, peoplewith me, CEW, guests and her
Maya Marzaki. Good evening. It'sWednesday, September twenty, twenty twenty three.
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We've got a beautiful seventy six degreefahrenheit data. It's twenty five Celsia's
kid Sonny and Calm. I'm goingto tell you it was a perfect late
summer day today, is it?I mean today? Is there is just
it's just so beautiful. I say, there's don't really wind. It's wonderful.
Top that my I just topped.Yeah, that's why you have such
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a big smile on your face.I'm glad to hear and to see you
happy. Like that doesn't happen thatoften. Man, it's you know,
yes, right, I'm glad Ithink when you can get it what you
got there. Yes, my wintereighties warmer than your summer with twenty eight
degrees cell shoes eat equates eighty twodegrees fahrenheit in a lively thirty day.
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Because you beat us, you actuallybeat us, So the tables are starting
to turn as we you know,when yeah we're thirty blow zero and you're
like ninety degrees down there, juststart Yeah, yeah, I still remember
the video you said, you go, oh my gosh, you still want
to go move here? Because wewere talking at that it's so freaking out
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I'm ready to die from Yeah,I remember that. Yeah. Yeah it
was the middle of the winter.Would you said that? I go,
yeah, I think I'll trade youfor a while. But yeah, well
that's nice beautiful days. Well.Well, Tonight's episode of outdoors People is
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Tonight's episode is feeling Good for outdooractivity with our special guest, Jesse Meany.
Jesse Meani has a deep connection withnature, which has always been her
favorite place to be growing up,hunting, fishing, and hiking with her
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father. She also learned gardening fromher mother. These days, along with
her husband, Jesse continues to engagein these same outdoor activities. Jesse also
grows her own plants for food andto support pollinators, as well as growing
dry herbs for use as healing remedies. She subscribes to the philosophy that growing
food and being involved with nature isessential for healing the mind, body,
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and soul. Professionally, Jesse's researchinvolved patterns in nature and ways to tune
into these cycles. She has studiedhow the human body responds to environmental changes
in nature and how to incorporate thatcycle into daily life. Jesse is a
Shamanic high priestess indicated I'm Sorry,initial guide, Raiki master and teacher,
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and massage therapist. She employs natural, holistic and shamanic practices to encourage a
healthier lifestyle for herself, family,and her clients, and with that,
welcome to the show. Jesse,thank you. It's great to be here.
Yeah, Okay, I messed upsomething here. I'm gonna ask you
initiated because I could read yeah yeahokay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
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small country school. What can Isay? You know that's okay and something
most people probably haven't heard of anyway, So I'll give it to you this
time. Yes, thank you.I'm gonna need it, you know.
And for the people I don't know. Jesse is one of our co hosts
here, and she's done. We'vedone actually remote broadcasts in Wisconsin. I'm
trying to think, yeah, newcope, Yeah yeah, yeah, and you've
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done and you've been here and doingthat several times. Yeah. I've bounced
around a little bit with yah.Yeah. So if I got two wonderful
co hosts here tonight, one ofthem a guests on this episode talking about
some cool stuff. But yeah,and and a year a year ago,
I was being interviewed by you aswell, so we forgot about that.
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We're changing seats today. Well,I was looking forward for these show because
I have many questions. Great,so sorry, I said, I'll answer
on the best I can. So, what type of things do you see
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people calmly suffer re from that,they could like CALLI remedy themselves. So
there's a lot of things going onwith people these days. You know,
everybody comes in with aches and pains. Very seldomly do I see people come
in and like bro massage or reikiwho just want to relax. It's always
great when they do, but mostof the time there's some there's some indication
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of pain something they're looking to relap. Two main places are shoulders and low
back. So I'm sure you guyshave experienced one of these or both of
them at some point in your life. We get shoulder pain. Our whole
work is in front of us,like everything we do, whether we're on
a computer, whether we're in thekitchen cooking a meal, usually we're like
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hunched over and working in front ofus. And then of course our low
back is like the base of thespine all like a lot of weights.
It's that lower back. So ifwe're on our feet, even if we're
sitting down and that tailbones receiving pressurefrom sitting down, we can find ourselves
with a lot of aches and painsin our body. You know what's funny,
I experienced that not long ago,it's like, what did I do?
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Didn't fall? But I know whatin the world did I do?
But that's what it's from. Huh, just too much, too much sit
in front of computer. It couldbe there's so many reasons why we get
agges and pains. Years and yearsago, I remember taking a continuing education
class and the name of the classwas the Mystery of Pain. Like that,
yeah, because it's so it canbe so mysterious for the reason that
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there's so many causes. I mean, you can go to the doctor for
pain and they you can chase yourtail trying to figure it out. Today,
we're going to talk about just oneissue that we see one cause.
Okay, a lot of the timewhen we see something going on in our
muscles, it's a disconnect from thebrain. So we have our nervous system
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runs out throughout our body, right, and it runs into our muscles.
We have something called proprioceptors in ourbody. Wow, what these little guys
do is they tell our brain wherewe're at. So if I want to
raise my hand like this, Idon't have to look at my hand to
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know that I'm raising my hand.I have proprioceptors like sensors in my hand
that connect to my brain that letme know my hand is over here.
So essentially they tell us where ourbody is in space. That's what our
proprioceptors are interesting. Yeah, ifthose the proprioceptors and the brain lose communication,
then there's a lack of understanding whereyour body is. So you might
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come up with a shoulder that's slightlyrotated forward and it's not back the way
it should be, and you're startingto get pain because muscles are being overstretched
when they wouldn't be, or maybethey're being shortened and contracted when they shouldn't
be. So that's one way thatwe can we can see pain come across
and our bodies is just a lackof communication. So that's kind of a
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mystery we're going to delve into today. Do you get this kind of stuff
you're working on a computer, Imean, because I do. Yeah,
I was going to say that I'mglad that she's here because my brain and
my body they are completely disconnected.Because I live in pain pretty much because
I work like ten hours a dayin my computer and then I work hard
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at the gene every day, andthen in a week and I stress my
body so much climbing and hiking,so I got to use it to live
in pain and it's terrible. Actually, do you get this stuff in the
like in your like your middle ofyour back like I do? Muscles?
Yeah, yeah, that not upand study like because I go to Jesse's
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my massage everything, Yeah, andsay I just have got I'm not in
my back. I mean it's justkilling me. And sometimes you know,
it's even hard to move your neckwhen you've got that going on. Do
you ever get that? Mina,Yes, all the time. And the
doctor said, because that's all thesame thing, she said, because we
always said the computer, so welike to turn up the you know,
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like the back. I think likea see you with the back and the
pain comes. Well, Jesse,what causes those knots and your muscles to
not like in your back like wewere just talking about. Yeah, so
what you guys are talking about,especially with being at the computer and really
working in front of us all thetime. So these muscles in your back
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and your shoulders are almost they're beingstretched, Okay, they're being overstretched,
probably trying to hold on for dearlife. And then a lot of people
think they want to go and oh, I'm gonna loosen up, I'm gonna
stretch my muscles. Well, hereyou have an overstretched muscle, and then
you're gonna go try and stretchtch more. Yeah, so there's kind of like
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a misunderstanding of what we really needto do here. What we're going to
talk about is actually activating muscles.So activating a muscle will help give it
a little power and again help itreconnect to the brain so it can understand
where it is. So there's thatnot that confusion. You know, if
your shoulders rotated forward and you maybewant to take it forward a little bit
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to just to reconnect it, andit'll be like, oh, oh I
understand what I'm doing now, andthen it might go back for you.
Okay, yeah, do you wantto do a little demonstration so I can
show you just a few quick movesfor shoulder and low back. This isn't
going to cover everything, but ifyou have a day where you're feeling achy
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and you can't quite get into likethe chiropractor, massage therapist, this might
help you. I think that Ithink that would be very cool. Let's
give you that a shit. Okay, we're kind of camera on Maya so
that we can because we're gonna raysome new here kids that you know and
outdoors people's shows, so bear withus. Yeah that I'm looking forward.
I'm glad that she's going to showit to us because I'm sure I'm going
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to use that every single day tomake my pen less. I saw some
flexibility and mobility movies onliness, soI'm wondering if it is what she's going
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to show us. Let you see, so you guys, okay there,
so can you hear us? Canyou hear us? Yeah? Okay?
And here's Jess Okay, here weokay, yes, we're gonna give us
a try. So first we're gonnado so we just lost her eyes.
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I cannot hear you guys. Doyou're not hearing you? Can you?
Yeah? Okay? Oh you knowwhat happened is somebody sent me a message
on my phone and that's what happened. So those son of again stop it?
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Okay? Oh we lost again?Did we lose it again? W
put your your phone on like sleepmode and then you don't receive messages.
But let's try. Can you hearus now? Can years ago? Okay
let's rap one more time. Sorry, do low back moves, all right.
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What we're looking to do is activatereally muscles in the core, because
if our low back hurts, something'snot keeping our core straight or posture straight.
We're gonna have to get down onthe floor and the first the first
motion you're trying to do is likeyou're kicking a ball from your knee.
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Okay, but you need to activatethat muscle. So you need resistance,
you need something to stop you.So I'm gonna slip my foot underneath the
couch and I'm gonna kick up.So you can't tell, but what I'm
trying to do is this, Butthe couch just stopping me from that motion,
and I'm pushing my low back intothe ground and it's activating these muscles,
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these muscles that can cause aches inthe low back. Okay, So
that's a simple trick you can do. We'll do one more for the low
back. I'm gonna need to usethe wall. So I'm gonna come over
here and CW is gonna hate this, but I'm gonna put my feet on
its wall. So what we're tryingto do is put our feet up.
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We want to aim for about aninety degree angle with our knees, and
we're pushing our feet into the walland pushing the low back into the ground.
Okay, they ground in your lowback, pushing it into the round,
pushing your feet on the wall.That drops some of those lower vertebrate
down and helps release those muscles.Okay, so that's a couple great tricks
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for low back pain. Now let'sdo a couple for shoulder pain. Remember
we're working on activation, activating muscles. That's why we push. We have
to invade the muscle and we holdit for a few a few seconds,
probably about ten seconds. So whenyou have your feet on the ground or
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on the wall, you're pushing themagainst the wall, pushing your low back
in. Think push down for tenseconds and then release for ten seconds.
Then try it again, push downfor ten seconds and release for ten seconds.
That's helping like get that muscled patternre established. Same thing with shoulders.
So I'm gonna show you something wecan do for our shoulder. This
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not only helps release some of themuscles around our shoulders they can cause like
that neck pain, but it alsohelps get some of the synobial fluid moving
in our shoulders. We do have. It's called snobial fluid. It helps
the joint move kind of like ifyou need to oil a machine, so
you have movement and you don't haveresistance there, same thing with our body.
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This helps get snobial fluid moving.So all you're doing is again try
and think of like a ninety degreeangle here, and you're letting your shoulder
push into the wall. I havea washcloth here because I most of us
have a bony elbow, right,there's not a lot of canning on that,
so you might want something between thewall and your elbow so you don't
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hurt your elbow. This is justsimply leaning in. Give yourself some time
to relax into it. The bodymight resist this for it you might be
trying to pull yourself up if youneed like a little bit more movement.
Yeah. And if you look downat my legs, I'm not going like
this. My hips aren't sighting towardsthe wall, and I'm not going like
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this. I'm straight see that.Yeah, and then I might even move
my arm up and down like this. That's gonna help. We have the
joint moving like this, so it'sputting movement in the joint and all those
muscle attachments are getting a little bitof work. Okay, Christian, Yeah,
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very cool. We're gonna do anotherone because the shoulder is like it
does, it is responsible for someneck pain. Our next sits on our
shoulders, and if we get tightshoulders, things can start to pull there.
Next one is putting your shoulder oryour forearm up against the wall.
So I'm gonna put my arm upagainst the wall. And what I'm basically
doing is this motion, but againI need resistance to reset the must panner.
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So I'm gonna push my shoulder ormy forearm into the wall. Maybe
give it about ten seconds, andthen you can step away and give the
body what it wants. It wantsto do this. So you're putting your
weight into that little bit. I'mtrying not to go high weight into it.
I'm trying to just have it comefrom my arm. Okay, okay,
And if you do that, you'regonna feel it and here yea and
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your shoulder. Okay, pretty cool. So you do the do the resistance
part of it, and then youstep away, and then your body wants
to complete the motion, so letit complete the motion. Okay. Same
thing when I was laying on thefloor and doing the kicking the ball type
of movement. Back up from thecouch and let your body complete the motion,
give it what it wants, okay, and then you know you were
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talking about, like that that painin the middle of the back. I'm
getting out, all right. I'ma baby at the kit for push ups,
So you can. If you cando them on the ground, great,
But put shops are going to strengtheneverything. They're gonna strengthen your pack,
shoulders, It's gonna strengthen back here. Okay. A lot of the
times, weak muscles are angry muscles. Okay. If you can't do a
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push up on the ground, doa wall push up. Okay, okay,
so you're leaning backwards a little bit. Yeah, but at least if
you do a law push up,if you're at least activating the muscles,
you get better. Do it onthe ground. Strong muscles are gonna hold
your body better and you're gonna haveweight less aches and pains when you're going
through the day. Very cool.Interesting, I may just start doing that.
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our guests. Jesse meany LMT.By the way, LMT, I you
know I actually did this well,it's license massage Therapist, so very cool.
It's always cool when you got likea letters an acronym at the end
of your name like d R.I love that. I wanted to ask
you, by the way, thankyou for the demonstration. That was amazing.
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Uh yeah, very helpful. What'sthe biggest cause of joint and we
probably talks about joint inflammation, andand I take some supplements for that,
and I do notice when I don'ttake them where I skip them. You
know, a joints start hurt alittle bit. But what's the biggest cause
of that. Joint inflammation is usuallycaused by you know, environmental stuff and
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what we're putting in our body.So if you're eating garbage, you're gonna
make garbage cells in your body.So it really is like when they said
you are what you eat. That'strue stuff. So let's talk about maybe
some of the major inflammation foods.Unfortunately, a lot of there's a lot
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of garbage and a lot of foods, Like if you're not eating just meat,
fruits and vegetables like the normal stuffthat you can read in a package,
you're probably eating something that can causeinflammation. Yeah, like pizza,
for instance, Pizza is delicious,a lot of pizza. And you know,
I used to drink a plenty ofbeer, probably for enough for me,
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you and mine put together. Butyeah, I don't do that as
much. And I'm wondering, isthat like bad people would you know have
Yeah, Unfortunately, pizza does haveone of the major inflammation causers. So
why did one just say used tohe just takes well, I'm sorry,
didn't mean are you trying to coversomething up? Yeah, anyway, but
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I'm sorry, go ahead, butyeah, what is that? So?
Actually, like grains and gluten reallyare one of your inflammation foods, so
if you're really active. I evenuse myself as an example. I started
getting runners knee when I was eighteen, which is pretty young to have that
type of problem, and I justremember my doctor telling me, oh,
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it'll heal, but it'll be likewatching an oak tree girl. Like.
I didn't get a lot of answersthere, but I found out later in
life when I cut out grains altogether, my runners knee went away. So
I thought, well, I'm thinkingthat I'm going to research this a little
bit more because I have so manyclients who are athletic and they come in
with a lot of aches and pains, a lot of joint stuff and a
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lot of inflammation in like they're reallyit's like a lot of muscle attachments and
tendons. Yeah, that's where alot of inflammation settles. It's like those
moving parts right that we need tomove right so we can stay active and
be outdoors and there you go.Absolutely. Yeah. So unfortunately, pizza
is one of those things that canget us, but alcohol definitely does.
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This is a tough blow for alot of people, including myself. Caffeine
causes and yes, yes, wow, I know. Okay, all right,
so if you're drinking decalf you're probablyokay, no, because there's still
some caffeine and then it has togo through like this decaffeinating process. I
don't even know if that's the rightword to use, but it's not.
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It doesn't make it better for you. Long story short. So, yeah,
our products are tough and they're usuallywhat we're like choosing to keep us
going. So that's I know,that's a tough one to swallow for a
lot of people. Yeah, itdoesn't make sense because why there is caffeine
and sparks supplement and stuff like thatfor athletes if it is not good for
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our joining, Yeah, they doput there. We wind up with caffeine
and supplements with medicines, and Ithink part of the reason is to get
it into this system maybe a littlebit sooner. But there is a lot
of natural foods that have caffeine inthem, but it doesn't change the fact
that it doesn't work well with ourbodies. Now, some people are going
to be more sensitive to this thanothers. You're going to be able to
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look at other people and be like, well, why can they drink so
much coffee and I can't or orwhatever they have. But usually it catches
up to people eventually. Yeah,it wants to lots of caffeine and pre
workout supplements. Yeah. Yeah,and that's a very dangerous combinations. We
didn't eat. Yeah, what isthat five hour energy? And watch these
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people's to me now, but fivehour energy, I know, lots of
I mean, and athletes drink thatstuff. I mean, that's yeah.
And you know you see people droppingon the field and during workouts. If
you have all that caffeine and thenyou don't eat something, you your heart
has a really hard time with that. Yeah. So unfortunately it can cause
some issues. So these are theinflammatory Is that what I'm saying there correctly?
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Yeah? What do we go through? Caffeine, alcohol, grains,
those are like your top three okay, and of course all your processed food.
So for me personally, we tryin my family, we try and
stick with just foods that we knowhow to pronounce. So you're not looking
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at this label and be like,what the heck is that? So it's
like meat, fruits, vegetables,nuts, and seeds. That's the gist
of it. So meat like that'snot a problem. Meat and stuff like
that is not a deal, right, No, I mean everybody's different,
and I know everybody has like they'redifferent, you know, diets they prefer,
but it's not you know, inlow quantities, it's not that big
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of a deal. So pasta's grainsis better than Yes, potatoes are still
good. We do need sugars.I know potatoes get like that bad rap
because they're a starchy food. Butreally, like the brain needs sugar to
function, So that peppermint after Ihave after dinner is not a bad deal.
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Right, Oh my gosh, youno idea. The brain and the
nervous system needs sugar. And youwant your brain and your nervous system to
stay connected well to your muscles soyour body knows what it's doing. Again,
when we were talking about those propriuceptorsgetting kind of offbeat, diet can
be a factor because if it's in, if we have inflammation interfering with not
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just our joints, but our brainand our nervous system, then the communication
throughout our whole bodies being thrown off. It's wow. And you want to
be like if you're hiking out ofthe trail, you want to be able
to put your foot exactly where youwant to put it. You want your
body to go where you need itto go to keep you active, to
keep you safe. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, and you know what that
is huge? That is huge.Yeah, Maya, how are you scoring
here? Because I believe I've failedin several different categories. It's like,
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oh yeah, coffee, I mean, oh my god, I'm going on
this test. How are you doing? Yeah? I am with you,
man. I am a rude,cough drinker, and my family is half
Italian and half Brazilian, so wepretty much eat grains, pizza, wine,
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uh, beer, So everything that'swrong. But I do feel in
my body when I drink and Ieat those things, I feel much much
worse. So in my lar day, in like week days, I don't
eat and I don't those stuffs andI don't drink. But if I mean
with my family ever, think's wrong. Yeah, So we get a big
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fat f they're both of us,don't we Yeah, locally, we failed
I don't feel so bad because likewe both do. It was just me,
I would go, oh my god, I really got a long way
to go. But you know,yeah, it's pretty much everybody you know,
and you don't have to say,oh, I'm never gonna have this
ever again. You know, myhusband and I have an anniversary coming up.
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You bet I'm gonna have a glassof wine. Oh okay, just
most of the time, I'm gonnabe better. But overall you're doing pretty
well. Yeah, And if youhave something once in a while, your
body will be able to process that. It's when we have every day and
a lot then things get gunked upin the liver. It can't process everything
because it's overwhelmed as it is.But if you're eating mostly healthy and then
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you have some stuff here and there, your body can handle some stuff.
It's meant to handle some stuff.So yes, it's about balanced. To
write throwing the week days, Ieat properately and then in the week and
I give myself the pleasure of drinkingand eighteen pizza. That's fine. There
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you go, And it's all aboutyour balance. In knowing you some people
are more sensitive to some things andother people can tolerate more. So as
long as you know you and howto work with that, you're probably going
to be fine. I think Wane'san alcoholic. He just said peppermint schnaps,
So I think we'll get a problemdone. Sorry, well I just
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pick it up you a little bitthere, Anna, I have the one
million question. How much does thestress affect muscles tightness? How much does
stress affect muscle tightness? Yeah?Well yeah, that stress is a huge
factor were and we're in it everyday. Like the modern lifestyle is crazy,
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you know, but how our bodiesact and respond to everything is based
off of what we're doing every singleday. How we grow the cells in
our body. How how we're growingeven these like muscle cells depend on like
what we're exposed to, and that'slike your work life, that's the music
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you listen to, whatever you're watchingon TV. Of course, we just
cover diet a little bit. Butstress again gets into that nervous system.
Like again we're talking about brain andyour nerves, and if we're disrupting those
that communication factor again, we're disruptingmuscles and movement and becoming sore. Again,
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let me ask you this before wego to commercial break because I know
we're coming up on that. Ifyou let's just say you're doing the things
you're exercising regularly, You're you're eatingyou know, reasonably healthy most of the
time like you do. Just cancan stress still cause the things that we
were just talking about, like anot in your muscle or muscle tightness or
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things like that can stress override alla lot of stuff. Yeah, stress
can do. Your mind is likeyour your superpower. So whatever your mind
is going through, it's going toreflect through your body. So even if
you are eating healthy, if yourmind is on overdrive all the time and
your adrenals are pumping all the time, then yeah, you're gonna see that
throughout your body's. Stress is abad deal man. So we should all
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be drunken. And I'm I'm notadvocating us to be a drugs. It
doesn't make it go away, Itjust hides it from your face. Here
you go, Yeah, there yougo, good answer. Thank you?
Oh well for me, do notstress out. We see the blue drinking.
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had kind of did this a littleout of segment, bors out of order
here, but I put the demonstrationshere, so we already did that,
But I wanted to ask you,Jesse, you teach online, you teach
the classes? Do you not Ido? What do you tell us about
that? So a lot of theclasses I teach online have to do with
like personal growth and spiritual growth.Actually, so it's a really great way
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to take a look at yourself andsee where you need to make changes or
adjustments in life so so that youcan live your life to its fullest,
so you can be happier, soyou can drop the stress and start kind
of planning, like what you wantyour future to look like and what direction
you want to go. And withthe spiritual part, we're learning what our
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purpose in life actually is because weall have one of those cool Yeah one
got a question for go ahead oneone? Where are you? Yes,
there is one the ghost of theseI was actually but I'll come in.
Oh all right. So the questionthe question is that I tore my right
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lap like six years ago, andfrom time to time I'll get muscle spassoms.
Is there anything that I can doto prevent that? Okay, so,
yeah, you had an injury,so you're looking again at reactivating muscles,
kind of like what we were talkingabout. When you have an injury,
sometimes actually a lot of the times, what can happen is certain muscles
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take over for the part that wasinjured in your body. Then when you
heal up, they don't actually switchjobs back to the way it normally would,
unless maybe your physical therapist was reallygreat and was able to do that
with you. But you might stillhave muscles that aren't firing in the right
order, or approprioceptors that are stillnot connected to your brain to the way
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they should be to get you workingagain. Now, what does he do
physically. Is there something he shoulddo, like like one of the exercises
we just you just showed us outthere for lads, Yeah, for lads.
Right, Yeah, you could reachout to me and I could probably
come up with some stuff for you. But it's like, it's really hard
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to know exactly without testing the musclemyself and seeing exactly where you are and
where it would be coming from,because you most likely have something, like
I said, a muscle overriding anotherone, and you'd have to know which
one it is. For me,one of them is making up for the
one that's injured, then basically,yeah, there's something in there that's probably
making up for it. M interesting, you see that a lot with injuries.
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What I see lots on a climb. With climbers, of course,
it is that the muscles develop muchmore than another things in the body,
like, for example, articulations,and so sometimes those articulations or another stuff
are not as strong as the muscle. And you think you wire strong enough
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because you have muscle, and thenyou have an injury, mainly in the
fingers, you know, like theparts you move the fingers and the elbow
as well. What do you recommendfor that? So your muscles, like
your fingers right, you're they're strongbecause you're always gripping right when you're because
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you're talking about rock climbing, soa lot of these are going to be
like super strong and super tight.So one thing I feel like, so
your muscles kind of you're you're probablywanting to do this. What you can
do is take it a little bitfarther and turn it in all the way
and let that muscle release and thenkind of like move your finger a little
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bit so you're actually working to releasethis. I actually do this with stroke
victims, people who get like thecontracture of their hand, their hand starts
to go like this, we'll actuallywe'll take it further. The body wants
to do this, so we're like, okay, let's do it. Let's
give you that like satisfaction of goingall the way, and then I can
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usually straighten their fingers out after,you know, and that's any muscle,
if you see it going going acertain way, give it more of what
it's trying to do or what itwants, and then you can probably stretch
it out and loosen it up.Well that's nice wherever I guess too,
I guess with your lats wherever youare, you can try. I wonder
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if I can do a demonstration likethis. I'm gonna give it a try.
So bear with we're exper so becausewe're talking about like right here,
like kind of in your back,you can try and arch it around,
so you're putting some like lax inthat muscle. So a lot of times
are we think we want to stretchit out, try and do the opposite
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and almost turn your body into asea around that muscle and see if it'll
loosen up for you. That's interesting, or a cave around it wherever the
pain is, put your fingers onit, and then try and turn your
body into a little bit of asea that way. That's very interesting because
when I went to a hospital onetime, the doctor told me to through
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the opposite and stretch it out.Yeah, that's there's some misconception there with
muscles. It and you know,like it takes extra like learning and experience
to get to this. It's notyou know with people like we were talking
about the hand, you would normallythink, well, if my hand's going
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like this, I should pull themout and stretch them out. But it's
it's not just about them muscle.It's about the brain connection to the muscle
too, and that's what needs tobe studied further by people. But you
know, unless you're a specialist,a physical therapist would know stuff like this,
but it's possible that a doctor mightnot have gotten this information. That's
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that's what I got from it becausehe was kind of like, yeah,
he's some pills, stretch it out, goodbye, kind of like, well
and he's evidence. How did thatwork out for you thus far? Obviously
you're asking the question because it didn'task that, Well, real, what
do he gave? Doctors? Whatdo they know? You know? I
don't, Well, they know,we know what we're some of them do.
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Yeah, yeah, I behave.I got a bad diagnosis when I
had a kidney cancer, right,I know, I got a diagnosis that
was not accurate to I will tellyou his name. I don't want to
be sued, but they're not alwayscorrect. Well, everybody makes mistakes.
And when we're coming like forward withinformation on the human body, there's so
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there's so much, you know,and we're we're out here in an environment
with like chemicals and like all kindsof stuff. Stress, TV's media,
everything's coming at us all the time. So it's usually not just one thing.
Usually if we get an injury,unless like you know, maybe like
a rock ball's in your arm whenyou get an injury, But if you
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throw your back out, something's beenhappening for a long time leading up to
that and it finally happened. Itis like the straw. Yeah, yeah,
yep. Wow. You know that'sinteresting because like not long ago,
in fact, I where I said, Hey, Jess, you want to
do an episode I and I'm like, no way, I'm never doing anything
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with you. What you pick onthe show host anyway, No, I
woke up one day and I'm tellingyou, I could not mind. There
was like a like a knife stabat me in the back, and I'm
like, what the hell did Ido? And it just I woke up,
That's all I did. And itwas just like that. And so
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what you're saying sounds very like,yeah, it didn't There's nothing I did
in my sleep that I recall,but it was something. There was a
bunch of things that maybe led upto that point. Then what you're saying,
and it makes perfect sense. Yeah, you have to look at the
whole picture, like what is yourlifestyle like, and that's what I go
over with like my online classes withpeople, it's like what's your stress level?
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Like, what are you doing duringthe day, what kind of foods
are you eating? What kind ofthoughts are you having throughout the day,
Because your thoughts create your life.So most people are just on autopilot.
They're just running through their life thinking, you know whatever, and they're not
actively thinking about how to make theirlife better, how to feel better or
reduce stress. Wow. Yeah,that's a great point. I can't seen
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my regular day that people are Competitcompletely just connected the Brian and the body.
People don't realize that they have abody and they need to kick to
take care of that to still livingand going to work and doing like outder
stuff and also the knowledge of theengineer of the body and the magical stuff
(44:19):
for sports and athletes. It issomething very new people are studying now how
the body actually work and how wecan improve for activities and sports in general.
Right, very cool, Absolutely prettycool. And Jesse, where can
people find you online? Well,I do have my Facebook page that is
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probably the most active Jesse Mini LMT. My website is I'm going to be
having a new website that's under construction, so that's going to be up and
coming, and I can get thatinformation out soon when it's all done.
Excellent, excellent, Well, Jesse, listen, we want to thank you
here for coming on the show.And it was a very sort of a
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hey, by the way, let'sdo one of these episodes, because I
know I suffer from this stuff allthe time here behind the computer and I'm
hit and here a lot, youknow, like May and I kind of
compare notes. She's like ten hours. I'm like ten hours, twelve hours
doing stuff, and you're in fact, I have to tell you, you
know, I'm not able to goout and do a lot of outdoor stuff
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that I was doing previous to thisshow, and we spent a lot of
time in here and mine knows that. But and so I do get those
I do get those pains and thoseknots and things like that. And I
thought, you know what, I'msure other people have this happened too,
So I thought, let's do anepisode. So I really appreciate you accommodating
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me us and coming on here andtalking about this sort of thing. So,
oh yeah, you bet, Ireally appreciate you being here. Yeah,
thank you very much for being here. I think that it's something that
everyone wants to know and want tohear, and everyone feels pain. Yeah,
everybody wants to feel good, rightsure, well I still drink.
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Sorry all the better put that inthere. That's funny. Well. We'd
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Radio. Welcome to outdoors, peoplewith me, CEW, guests and her
Maya Marzaki. Good evening. It'sWednesday, September twenty, twenty twenty three.
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We've got a beautiful seventy six degreefahrenheit data. It's twenty five Celsia's
kid Sonny and Calm. I'm goingto tell you it was a perfect late
summer day today, is it?I mean today? Is there is just
it's just so beautiful. I say, there's don't really wind. It's wonderful.
Top that my I just topped.Yeah, that's why you have such
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a big smile on your face.I'm glad to hear and to see you
happy. Like that doesn't happen thatoften. Man, it's you know,
yes, right, I'm glad Ithink when you can get it what you
got there. Yes, my wintereighties warmer than your summer with twenty eight
degrees cell shoes eat equates eighty twodegrees fahrenheit in a lively thirty day.
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Because you beat us, you actuallybeat us, So the tables are starting
to turn as we you know,when yeah we're thirty blow zero and you're
like ninety degrees down there, juststart Yeah, yeah, I still remember
the video you said, you go, oh my gosh, you still want
to go move here? Because wewere talking at that it's so freaking out
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I'm ready to die from Yeah,I remember that. Yeah. Yeah it
was the middle of the winter.Would you said that? I go,
yeah, I think I'll trade youfor a while. But yeah, well
that's nice beautiful days. Well.Well, Tonight's episode of outdoors People is
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Tonight's episode is feeling Good for outdooractivity with our special guest, Jesse Meany.
Jesse Meani has a deep connection withnature, which has always been her
favorite place to be growing up,hunting, fishing, and hiking with her
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father. She also learned gardening fromher mother. These days, along with
her husband, Jesse continues to engagein these same outdoor activities. Jesse also
grows her own plants for food andto support pollinators, as well as growing
dry herbs for use as healing remedies. She subscribes to the philosophy that growing
food and being involved with nature isessential for healing the mind, body,
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and soul. Professionally, Jesse's researchinvolved patterns in nature and ways to tune
into these cycles. She has studiedhow the human body responds to environmental changes
in nature and how to incorporate thatcycle into daily life. Jesse is a
Shamanic high priestess indicated I'm Sorry,initial guide, Raiki master and teacher,
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and massage therapist. She employs natural, holistic and shamanic practices to encourage a
healthier lifestyle for herself, family,and her clients, and with that,
welcome to the show. Jesse,thank you. It's great to be here.
Yeah, Okay, I messed upsomething here. I'm gonna ask you
initiated because I could read yeah yeahokay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
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small country school. What can Isay? You know that's okay and something
most people probably haven't heard of anyway, So I'll give it to you this
time. Yes, thank you.I'm gonna need it, you know.
And for the people I don't know. Jesse is one of our co hosts
here, and she's done. We'vedone actually remote broadcasts in Wisconsin. I'm
trying to think, yeah, newcope, Yeah yeah, yeah, and you've
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done and you've been here and doingthat several times. Yeah. I've bounced
around a little bit with yah.Yeah. So if I got two wonderful
co hosts here tonight, one ofthem a guests on this episode talking about
some cool stuff. But yeah,and and a year a year ago,
I was being interviewed by you aswell, so we forgot about that.
(04:47):
We're changing seats today. Well,I was looking forward for these show because
I have many questions. Great,so sorry, I said, I'll answer
on the best I can. So, what type of things do you see
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people calmly suffer re from that,they could like CALLI remedy themselves. So
there's a lot of things going onwith people these days. You know,
everybody comes in with aches and pains. Very seldomly do I see people come
in and like bro massage or reikiwho just want to relax. It's always
great when they do, but mostof the time there's some there's some indication
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of pain something they're looking to relap. Two main places are shoulders and low
back. So I'm sure you guyshave experienced one of these or both of
them at some point in your life. We get shoulder pain. Our whole
work is in front of us,like everything we do, whether we're on
a computer, whether we're in thekitchen cooking a meal, usually we're like
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hunched over and working in front ofus. And then of course our low
back is like the base of thespine all like a lot of weights.
It's that lower back. So ifwe're on our feet, even if we're
sitting down and that tailbones receiving pressurefrom sitting down, we can find ourselves
with a lot of aches and painsin our body. You know what's funny,
I experienced that not long ago,it's like, what did I do?
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Didn't fall? But I know whatin the world did I do?
But that's what it's from. Huh, just too much, too much sit
in front of computer. It couldbe there's so many reasons why we get
agges and pains. Years and yearsago, I remember taking a continuing education
class and the name of the classwas the Mystery of Pain. Like that,
yeah, because it's so it canbe so mysterious for the reason that
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there's so many causes. I mean, you can go to the doctor for
pain and they you can chase yourtail trying to figure it out. Today,
we're going to talk about just oneissue that we see one cause.
Okay, a lot of the timewhen we see something going on in our
muscles, it's a disconnect from thebrain. So we have our nervous system
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runs out throughout our body, right, and it runs into our muscles.
We have something called proprioceptors in ourbody. Wow, what these little guys
do is they tell our brain wherewe're at. So if I want to
raise my hand like this, Idon't have to look at my hand to
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know that I'm raising my hand.I have proprioceptors like sensors in my hand
that connect to my brain that letme know my hand is over here.
So essentially they tell us where ourbody is in space. That's what our
proprioceptors are interesting. Yeah, ifthose the proprioceptors and the brain lose communication,
then there's a lack of understanding whereyour body is. So you might
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come up with a shoulder that's slightlyrotated forward and it's not back the way
it should be, and you're startingto get pain because muscles are being overstretched
when they wouldn't be, or maybethey're being shortened and contracted when they shouldn't
be. So that's one way thatwe can we can see pain come across
and our bodies is just a lackof communication. So that's kind of a
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mystery we're going to delve into today. Do you get this kind of stuff
you're working on a computer, Imean, because I do. Yeah,
I was going to say that I'mglad that she's here because my brain and
my body they are completely disconnected.Because I live in pain pretty much because
I work like ten hours a dayin my computer and then I work hard
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at the gene every day, andthen in a week and I stress my
body so much climbing and hiking,so I got to use it to live
in pain and it's terrible. Actually, do you get this stuff in the
like in your like your middle ofyour back like I do? Muscles?
Yeah, yeah, that not upand study like because I go to Jesse's
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my massage everything, Yeah, andsay I just have got I'm not in
my back. I mean it's justkilling me. And sometimes you know,
it's even hard to move your neckwhen you've got that going on. Do
you ever get that? Mina,Yes, all the time. And the
doctor said, because that's all thesame thing, she said, because we
always said the computer, so welike to turn up the you know,
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like the back. I think likea see you with the back and the
pain comes. Well, Jesse,what causes those knots and your muscles to
not like in your back like wewere just talking about. Yeah, so
what you guys are talking about,especially with being at the computer and really
working in front of us all thetime. So these muscles in your back
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and your shoulders are almost they're beingstretched, Okay, they're being overstretched,
probably trying to hold on for dearlife. And then a lot of people
think they want to go and oh, I'm gonna loosen up, I'm gonna
stretch my muscles. Well, hereyou have an overstretched muscle, and then
you're gonna go try and stretchtch more. Yeah, so there's kind of like
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a misunderstanding of what we really needto do here. What we're going to
talk about is actually activating muscles.So activating a muscle will help give it
a little power and again help itreconnect to the brain so it can understand
where it is. So there's thatnot that confusion. You know, if
your shoulders rotated forward and you maybewant to take it forward a little bit
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to just to reconnect it, andit'll be like, oh, oh I
understand what I'm doing now, andthen it might go back for you.
Okay, yeah, do you wantto do a little demonstration so I can
show you just a few quick movesfor shoulder and low back. This isn't
going to cover everything, but ifyou have a day where you're feeling achy
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and you can't quite get into likethe chiropractor, massage therapist, this might
help you. I think that Ithink that would be very cool. Let's
give you that a shit. Okay, we're kind of camera on Maya so
that we can because we're gonna raysome new here kids that you know and
outdoors people's shows, so bear withus. Yeah that I'm looking forward.
I'm glad that she's going to showit to us because I'm sure I'm going
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to use that every single day tomake my pen less. I saw some
flexibility and mobility movies onliness, soI'm wondering if it is what she's going
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to show us. Let you see, so you guys, okay there,
so can you hear us? Canyou hear us? Yeah? Okay?
And here's Jess Okay, here weokay, yes, we're gonna give us
a try. So first we're gonnado so we just lost her eyes.
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I cannot hear you guys. Doyou're not hearing you? Can you?
Yeah? Okay? Oh you knowwhat happened is somebody sent me a message
on my phone and that's what happened. So those son of again stop it?
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Okay? Oh we lost again?Did we lose it again? W
put your your phone on like sleepmode and then you don't receive messages.
But let's try. Can you hearus now? Can years ago? Okay
let's rap one more time. Sorry, do low back moves, all right.
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What we're looking to do is activatereally muscles in the core, because
if our low back hurts, something'snot keeping our core straight or posture straight.
We're gonna have to get down onthe floor and the first the first
motion you're trying to do is likeyou're kicking a ball from your knee.
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Okay, but you need to activatethat muscle. So you need resistance,
you need something to stop you.So I'm gonna slip my foot underneath the
couch and I'm gonna kick up.So you can't tell, but what I'm
trying to do is this, Butthe couch just stopping me from that motion,
and I'm pushing my low back intothe ground and it's activating these muscles,
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these muscles that can cause aches inthe low back. Okay, So
that's a simple trick you can do. We'll do one more for the low
back. I'm gonna need to usethe wall. So I'm gonna come over
here and CW is gonna hate this, but I'm gonna put my feet on
its wall. So what we're tryingto do is put our feet up.
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We want to aim for about aninety degree angle with our knees, and
we're pushing our feet into the walland pushing the low back into the ground.
Okay, they ground in your lowback, pushing it into the round,
pushing your feet on the wall.That drops some of those lower vertebrate
down and helps release those muscles.Okay, so that's a couple great tricks
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for low back pain. Now let'sdo a couple for shoulder pain. Remember
we're working on activation, activating muscles. That's why we push. We have
to invade the muscle and we holdit for a few a few seconds,
probably about ten seconds. So whenyou have your feet on the ground or
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on the wall, you're pushing themagainst the wall, pushing your low back
in. Think push down for tenseconds and then release for ten seconds.
Then try it again, push downfor ten seconds and release for ten seconds.
That's helping like get that muscled patternre established. Same thing with shoulders.
So I'm gonna show you something wecan do for our shoulder. This
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not only helps release some of themuscles around our shoulders they can cause like
that neck pain, but it alsohelps get some of the synobial fluid moving
in our shoulders. We do have. It's called snobial fluid. It helps
the joint move kind of like ifyou need to oil a machine, so
you have movement and you don't haveresistance there, same thing with our body.
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This helps get snobial fluid moving.So all you're doing is again try
and think of like a ninety degreeangle here, and you're letting your shoulder
push into the wall. I havea washcloth here because I most of us
have a bony elbow, right,there's not a lot of canning on that,
so you might want something between thewall and your elbow so you don't
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hurt your elbow. This is justsimply leaning in. Give yourself some time
to relax into it. The bodymight resist this for it you might be
trying to pull yourself up if youneed like a little bit more movement.
Yeah. And if you look downat my legs, I'm not going like
this. My hips aren't sighting towardsthe wall, and I'm not going like
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this. I'm straight see that.Yeah, and then I might even move
my arm up and down like this. That's gonna help. We have the
joint moving like this, so it'sputting movement in the joint and all those
muscle attachments are getting a little bitof work. Okay, Christian, Yeah,
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very cool. We're gonna do anotherone because the shoulder is like it
does, it is responsible for someneck pain. Our next sits on our
shoulders, and if we get tightshoulders, things can start to pull there.
Next one is putting your shoulder oryour forearm up against the wall.
So I'm gonna put my arm upagainst the wall. And what I'm basically
doing is this motion, but againI need resistance to reset the must panner.
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So I'm gonna push my shoulder ormy forearm into the wall. Maybe
give it about ten seconds, andthen you can step away and give the
body what it wants. It wantsto do this. So you're putting your
weight into that little bit. I'mtrying not to go high weight into it.
I'm trying to just have it comefrom my arm. Okay, okay,
And if you do that, you'regonna feel it and here yea and
(17:25):
your shoulder. Okay, pretty cool. So you do the do the resistance
part of it, and then youstep away, and then your body wants
to complete the motion, so letit complete the motion. Okay. Same
thing when I was laying on thefloor and doing the kicking the ball type
of movement. Back up from thecouch and let your body complete the motion,
give it what it wants, okay, and then you know you were
(17:48):
talking about, like that that painin the middle of the back. I'm
getting out, all right. I'ma baby at the kit for push ups,
So you can. If you cando them on the ground, great,
But put shops are going to strengtheneverything. They're gonna strengthen your pack,
shoulders, It's gonna strengthen back here. Okay. A lot of the
times, weak muscles are angry muscles. Okay. If you can't do a
(18:08):
push up on the ground, doa wall push up. Okay, okay,
so you're leaning backwards a little bit. Yeah, but at least if
you do a law push up,if you're at least activating the muscles,
you get better. Do it onthe ground. Strong muscles are gonna hold
your body better and you're gonna haveweight less aches and pains when you're going
through the day. Very cool.Interesting, I may just start doing that.
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our guests. Jesse meany LMT.By the way, LMT, I you
know I actually did this well,it's license massage Therapist, so very cool.
It's always cool when you got likea letters an acronym at the end
of your name like d R.I love that. I wanted to ask
you, by the way, thankyou for the demonstration. That was amazing.
(21:51):
Uh yeah, very helpful. What'sthe biggest cause of joint and we
probably talks about joint inflammation, andand I take some supplements for that,
and I do notice when I don'ttake them where I skip them. You
know, a joints start hurt alittle bit. But what's the biggest cause
of that. Joint inflammation is usuallycaused by you know, environmental stuff and
(22:15):
what we're putting in our body.So if you're eating garbage, you're gonna
make garbage cells in your body.So it really is like when they said
you are what you eat. That'strue stuff. So let's talk about maybe
some of the major inflammation foods.Unfortunately, a lot of there's a lot
(22:37):
of garbage and a lot of foods, Like if you're not eating just meat,
fruits and vegetables like the normal stuffthat you can read in a package,
you're probably eating something that can causeinflammation. Yeah, like pizza,
for instance, Pizza is delicious,a lot of pizza. And you know,
I used to drink a plenty ofbeer, probably for enough for me,
(23:00):
you and mine put together. Butyeah, I don't do that as
much. And I'm wondering, isthat like bad people would you know have
Yeah, Unfortunately, pizza does haveone of the major inflammation causers. So
why did one just say used tohe just takes well, I'm sorry,
didn't mean are you trying to coversomething up? Yeah, anyway, but
(23:23):
I'm sorry, go ahead, butyeah, what is that? So?
Actually, like grains and gluten reallyare one of your inflammation foods, so
if you're really active. I evenuse myself as an example. I started
getting runners knee when I was eighteen, which is pretty young to have that
type of problem, and I justremember my doctor telling me, oh,
(23:44):
it'll heal, but it'll be likewatching an oak tree girl. Like.
I didn't get a lot of answersthere, but I found out later in
life when I cut out grains altogether, my runners knee went away. So
I thought, well, I'm thinkingthat I'm going to research this a little
bit more because I have so manyclients who are athletic and they come in
with a lot of aches and pains, a lot of joint stuff and a
(24:07):
lot of inflammation in like they're reallyit's like a lot of muscle attachments and
tendons. Yeah, that's where alot of inflammation settles. It's like those
moving parts right that we need tomove right so we can stay active and
be outdoors and there you go.Absolutely. Yeah. So unfortunately, pizza
is one of those things that canget us, but alcohol definitely does.
(24:30):
This is a tough blow for alot of people, including myself. Caffeine
causes and yes, yes, wow, I know. Okay, all right,
so if you're drinking decalf you're probablyokay, no, because there's still
some caffeine and then it has togo through like this decaffeinating process. I
don't even know if that's the rightword to use, but it's not.
(24:52):
It doesn't make it better for you. Long story short. So, yeah,
our products are tough and they're usuallywhat we're like choosing to keep us
going. So that's I know,that's a tough one to swallow for a
lot of people. Yeah, itdoesn't make sense because why there is caffeine
and sparks supplement and stuff like thatfor athletes if it is not good for
(25:17):
our joining, Yeah, they doput there. We wind up with caffeine
and supplements with medicines, and Ithink part of the reason is to get
it into this system maybe a littlebit sooner. But there is a lot
of natural foods that have caffeine inthem, but it doesn't change the fact
that it doesn't work well with ourbodies. Now, some people are going
to be more sensitive to this thanothers. You're going to be able to
(25:38):
look at other people and be like, well, why can they drink so
much coffee and I can't or orwhatever they have. But usually it catches
up to people eventually. Yeah,it wants to lots of caffeine and pre
workout supplements. Yeah. Yeah,and that's a very dangerous combinations. We
didn't eat. Yeah, what isthat five hour energy? And watch these
(26:02):
people's to me now, but fivehour energy, I know, lots of
I mean, and athletes drink thatstuff. I mean, that's yeah.
And you know you see people droppingon the field and during workouts. If
you have all that caffeine and thenyou don't eat something, you your heart
has a really hard time with that. Yeah. So unfortunately it can cause
some issues. So these are theinflammatory Is that what I'm saying there correctly?
(26:25):
Yeah? What do we go through? Caffeine, alcohol, grains,
those are like your top three okay, and of course all your processed food.
So for me personally, we tryin my family, we try and
stick with just foods that we knowhow to pronounce. So you're not looking
(26:45):
at this label and be like,what the heck is that? So it's
like meat, fruits, vegetables,nuts, and seeds. That's the gist
of it. So meat like that'snot a problem. Meat and stuff like
that is not a deal, right, No, I mean everybody's different,
and I know everybody has like they'redifferent, you know, diets they prefer,
but it's not you know, inlow quantities, it's not that big
(27:08):
of a deal. So pasta's grainsis better than Yes, potatoes are still
good. We do need sugars.I know potatoes get like that bad rap
because they're a starchy food. Butreally, like the brain needs sugar to
function, So that peppermint after Ihave after dinner is not a bad deal.
(27:29):
Right, Oh my gosh, youno idea. The brain and the
nervous system needs sugar. And youwant your brain and your nervous system to
stay connected well to your muscles soyour body knows what it's doing. Again,
when we were talking about those propriuceptorsgetting kind of offbeat, diet can
be a factor because if it's in, if we have inflammation interfering with not
(27:52):
just our joints, but our brainand our nervous system, then the communication
throughout our whole bodies being thrown off. It's wow. And you want to
be like if you're hiking out ofthe trail, you want to be able
to put your foot exactly where youwant to put it. You want your
body to go where you need itto go to keep you active, to
keep you safe. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, and you know what that
is huge? That is huge.Yeah, Maya, how are you scoring
here? Because I believe I've failedin several different categories. It's like,
(28:17):
oh yeah, coffee, I mean, oh my god, I'm going on
this test. How are you doing? Yeah? I am with you,
man. I am a rude,cough drinker, and my family is half
Italian and half Brazilian, so wepretty much eat grains, pizza, wine,
(28:38):
uh, beer, So everything that'swrong. But I do feel in
my body when I drink and Ieat those things, I feel much much
worse. So in my lar day, in like week days, I don't
eat and I don't those stuffs andI don't drink. But if I mean
with my family ever, think's wrong. Yeah, So we get a big
(29:02):
fat f they're both of us,don't we Yeah, locally, we failed
I don't feel so bad because likewe both do. It was just me,
I would go, oh my god, I really got a long way
to go. But you know,yeah, it's pretty much everybody you know,
and you don't have to say,oh, I'm never gonna have this
ever again. You know, myhusband and I have an anniversary coming up.
(29:22):
You bet I'm gonna have a glassof wine. Oh okay, just
most of the time, I'm gonnabe better. But overall you're doing pretty
well. Yeah, And if youhave something once in a while, your
body will be able to process that. It's when we have every day and
a lot then things get gunked upin the liver. It can't process everything
because it's overwhelmed as it is.But if you're eating mostly healthy and then
(29:45):
you have some stuff here and there, your body can handle some stuff.
It's meant to handle some stuff.So yes, it's about balanced. To
write throwing the week days, Ieat properately and then in the week and
I give myself the pleasure of drinkingand eighteen pizza. That's fine. There
(30:06):
you go, And it's all aboutyour balance. In knowing you some people
are more sensitive to some things andother people can tolerate more. So as
long as you know you and howto work with that, you're probably going
to be fine. I think Wane'san alcoholic. He just said peppermint schnaps,
So I think we'll get a problemdone. Sorry, well I just
(30:27):
pick it up you a little bitthere, Anna, I have the one
million question. How much does thestress affect muscles tightness? How much does
stress affect muscle tightness? Yeah?Well yeah, that stress is a huge
factor were and we're in it everyday. Like the modern lifestyle is crazy,
(30:52):
you know, but how our bodiesact and respond to everything is based
off of what we're doing every singleday. How we grow the cells in
our body. How how we're growingeven these like muscle cells depend on like
what we're exposed to, and that'slike your work life, that's the music
(31:15):
you listen to, whatever you're watchingon TV. Of course, we just
cover diet a little bit. Butstress again gets into that nervous system.
Like again we're talking about brain andyour nerves, and if we're disrupting those
that communication factor again, we're disruptingmuscles and movement and becoming sore. Again,
(31:37):
let me ask you this before wego to commercial break because I know
we're coming up on that. Ifyou let's just say you're doing the things
you're exercising regularly, You're you're eatingyou know, reasonably healthy most of the
time like you do. Just cancan stress still cause the things that we
were just talking about, like anot in your muscle or muscle tightness or
(32:00):
things like that can stress override alla lot of stuff. Yeah, stress
can do. Your mind is likeyour your superpower. So whatever your mind
is going through, it's going toreflect through your body. So even if
you are eating healthy, if yourmind is on overdrive all the time and
your adrenals are pumping all the time, then yeah, you're gonna see that
throughout your body's. Stress is abad deal man. So we should all
(32:23):
be drunken. And I'm I'm notadvocating us to be a drugs. It
doesn't make it go away, Itjust hides it from your face. Here
you go, Yeah, there yougo, good answer. Thank you?
Oh well for me, do notstress out. We see the blue drinking.
(32:45):
We are going to a little break, so don't go away. We
will be back. A few yearsago, someone asked Rudebega's owner Darren Bush,
Hey, how long have you guysbeen selling boats? Darren replied,
(33:06):
we don't sell boats. We selltime on the water. Of course that
comes in all types. We helppeople paddle more safely with ruetebeg outdoor programs.
We rent canoes, kayaks, andstand up paddleboards. We sell and
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drop by hands with a focus oninnovation. We are Jackie Kayaks.
We are we are we are JacksonKayak. Where are we are? Jackson
kah We agree we are Jackson Kayakand we're back with Jesse Meaney And we
(35:23):
had kind of did this a littleout of segment, bors out of order
here, but I put the demonstrationshere, so we already did that,
But I wanted to ask you,Jesse, you teach online, you teach
the classes? Do you not Ido? What do you tell us about
that? So a lot of theclasses I teach online have to do with
like personal growth and spiritual growth.Actually, so it's a really great way
(35:45):
to take a look at yourself andsee where you need to make changes or
adjustments in life so so that youcan live your life to its fullest,
so you can be happier, soyou can drop the stress and start kind
of planning, like what you wantyour future to look like and what direction
you want to go. And withthe spiritual part, we're learning what our
(36:07):
purpose in life actually is because weall have one of those cool Yeah one
got a question for go ahead oneone? Where are you? Yes,
there is one the ghost of theseI was actually but I'll come in.
Oh all right. So the questionthe question is that I tore my right
(36:30):
lap like six years ago, andfrom time to time I'll get muscle spassoms.
Is there anything that I can doto prevent that? Okay, so,
yeah, you had an injury,so you're looking again at reactivating muscles,
kind of like what we were talkingabout. When you have an injury,
sometimes actually a lot of the times, what can happen is certain muscles
(36:52):
take over for the part that wasinjured in your body. Then when you
heal up, they don't actually switchjobs back to the way it normally would,
unless maybe your physical therapist was reallygreat and was able to do that
with you. But you might stillhave muscles that aren't firing in the right
order, or approprioceptors that are stillnot connected to your brain to the way
(37:15):
they should be to get you workingagain. Now, what does he do
physically. Is there something he shoulddo, like like one of the exercises
we just you just showed us outthere for lads, Yeah, for lads.
Right, Yeah, you could reachout to me and I could probably
come up with some stuff for you. But it's like, it's really hard
(37:36):
to know exactly without testing the musclemyself and seeing exactly where you are and
where it would be coming from,because you most likely have something, like
I said, a muscle overriding anotherone, and you'd have to know which
one it is. For me,one of them is making up for the
one that's injured, then basically,yeah, there's something in there that's probably
making up for it. M interesting, you see that a lot with injuries.
(38:00):
What I see lots on a climb. With climbers, of course,
it is that the muscles develop muchmore than another things in the body,
like, for example, articulations,and so sometimes those articulations or another stuff
are not as strong as the muscle. And you think you wire strong enough
(38:23):
because you have muscle, and thenyou have an injury, mainly in the
fingers, you know, like theparts you move the fingers and the elbow
as well. What do you recommendfor that? So your muscles, like
your fingers right, you're they're strongbecause you're always gripping right when you're because
(38:46):
you're talking about rock climbing, soa lot of these are going to be
like super strong and super tight.So one thing I feel like, so
your muscles kind of you're you're probablywanting to do this. What you can
do is take it a little bitfarther and turn it in all the way
and let that muscle release and thenkind of like move your finger a little
(39:08):
bit so you're actually working to releasethis. I actually do this with stroke
victims, people who get like thecontracture of their hand, their hand starts
to go like this, we'll actuallywe'll take it further. The body wants
to do this, so we're like, okay, let's do it. Let's
give you that like satisfaction of goingall the way, and then I can
(39:28):
usually straighten their fingers out after,you know, and that's any muscle,
if you see it going going acertain way, give it more of what
it's trying to do or what itwants, and then you can probably stretch
it out and loosen it up.Well that's nice wherever I guess too,
I guess with your lats wherever youare, you can try. I wonder
(39:50):
if I can do a demonstration likethis. I'm gonna give it a try.
So bear with we're exper so becausewe're talking about like right here,
like kind of in your back,you can try and arch it around,
so you're putting some like lax inthat muscle. So a lot of times
are we think we want to stretchit out, try and do the opposite
(40:13):
and almost turn your body into asea around that muscle and see if it'll
loosen up for you. That's interesting, or a cave around it wherever the
pain is, put your fingers onit, and then try and turn your
body into a little bit of asea that way. That's very interesting because
when I went to a hospital onetime, the doctor told me to through
(40:34):
the opposite and stretch it out.Yeah, that's there's some misconception there with
muscles. It and you know,like it takes extra like learning and experience
to get to this. It's notyou know with people like we were talking
about the hand, you would normallythink, well, if my hand's going
(40:54):
like this, I should pull themout and stretch them out. But it's
it's not just about them muscle.It's about the brain connection to the muscle
too, and that's what needs tobe studied further by people. But you
know, unless you're a specialist,a physical therapist would know stuff like this,
but it's possible that a doctor mightnot have gotten this information. That's
(41:16):
that's what I got from it becausehe was kind of like, yeah,
he's some pills, stretch it out, goodbye, kind of like, well
and he's evidence. How did thatwork out for you thus far? Obviously
you're asking the question because it didn'task that, Well, real, what
do he gave? Doctors? Whatdo they know? You know? I
don't, Well, they know,we know what we're some of them do.
(41:38):
Yeah, yeah, I behave.I got a bad diagnosis when I
had a kidney cancer, right,I know, I got a diagnosis that
was not accurate to I will tellyou his name. I don't want to
be sued, but they're not alwayscorrect. Well, everybody makes mistakes.
And when we're coming like forward withinformation on the human body, there's so
(42:01):
there's so much, you know,and we're we're out here in an environment
with like chemicals and like all kindsof stuff. Stress, TV's media,
everything's coming at us all the time. So it's usually not just one thing.
Usually if we get an injury,unless like you know, maybe like
a rock ball's in your arm whenyou get an injury, But if you
(42:22):
throw your back out, something's beenhappening for a long time leading up to
that and it finally happened. Itis like the straw. Yeah, yeah,
yep. Wow. You know that'sinteresting because like not long ago,
in fact, I where I said, Hey, Jess, you want to
do an episode I and I'm like, no way, I'm never doing anything
(42:44):
with you. What you pick onthe show host anyway, No, I
woke up one day and I'm tellingyou, I could not mind. There
was like a like a knife stabat me in the back, and I'm
like, what the hell did Ido? And it just I woke up,
That's all I did. And itwas just like that. And so
(43:06):
what you're saying sounds very like,yeah, it didn't There's nothing I did
in my sleep that I recall,but it was something. There was a
bunch of things that maybe led upto that point. Then what you're saying,
and it makes perfect sense. Yeah, you have to look at the
whole picture, like what is yourlifestyle like, and that's what I go
over with like my online classes withpeople, it's like what's your stress level?
(43:28):
Like, what are you doing duringthe day, what kind of foods
are you eating? What kind ofthoughts are you having throughout the day,
Because your thoughts create your life.So most people are just on autopilot.
They're just running through their life thinking, you know whatever, and they're not
actively thinking about how to make theirlife better, how to feel better or
reduce stress. Wow. Yeah,that's a great point. I can't seen
(43:52):
my regular day that people are Competitcompletely just connected the Brian and the body.
People don't realize that they have abody and they need to kick to
take care of that to still livingand going to work and doing like outder
stuff and also the knowledge of theengineer of the body and the magical stuff
(44:19):
for sports and athletes. It issomething very new people are studying now how
the body actually work and how wecan improve for activities and sports in general.
Right, very cool, Absolutely prettycool. And Jesse, where can
people find you online? Well,I do have my Facebook page that is
(44:45):
probably the most active Jesse Mini LMT. My website is I'm going to be
having a new website that's under construction, so that's going to be up and
coming, and I can get thatinformation out soon when it's all done.
Excellent, excellent, Well, Jesse, listen, we want to thank you
here for coming on the show.And it was a very sort of a
(45:07):
hey, by the way, let'sdo one of these episodes, because I
know I suffer from this stuff allthe time here behind the computer and I'm
hit and here a lot, youknow, like May and I kind of
compare notes. She's like ten hours. I'm like ten hours, twelve hours
doing stuff, and you're in fact, I have to tell you, you
know, I'm not able to goout and do a lot of outdoor stuff
(45:28):
that I was doing previous to thisshow, and we spent a lot of
time in here and mine knows that. But and so I do get those
I do get those pains and thoseknots and things like that. And I
thought, you know what, I'msure other people have this happened too,
So I thought, let's do anepisode. So I really appreciate you accommodating
(45:49):
me us and coming on here andtalking about this sort of thing. So,
oh yeah, you bet, Ireally appreciate you being here. Yeah,
thank you very much for being here. I think that it's something that
everyone wants to know and want tohear, and everyone feels pain. Yeah,
everybody wants to feel good, rightsure, well I still drink.
(46:16):
Sorry all the better put that inthere. That's funny. Well. We'd
also when to thank each of oursponsors for bringing you tonight's show, Ruta
Bagapo, sports Can Ground Views,Luf Peck, and Jackson Kayak. Tune
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