November 27, 2025 • 20 mins
No Life ‘Til Leather – A Tribute To Metallica’s Kill ‘Em All
Track Listing: 1. Hit The Lights (TAILGUNNER) Played it live at at Download New album Midnight Blitz produced by KK Downing 2026!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, you love one to the censure for Wow for
you young.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with
our next guest. That Oh one of the first songs
I ever loved. We're going to talk about here. So
let's welcome Bones from Teil Gunner.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
How are you, hey man, Yeah, I'm good. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
On Oh My Pleasure. And you know, I'm kind of
bummed because I was at Download doing interviews in the
press and I didn't get to catch you guys playing
Hit the Lights at Download. I was like I saw
to be I'm like, fuck, I miss that. That sucks.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, that's the thing with Download is, you know people
say these days are you know, Download doesn't have any
heavy metal bands anymore, but they don't look so thankfully
we'll be back next year and maybe we'll play Hit
the Lights again.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, well I'll be there next year, so I'll make
sure to not schedule any interviews during your set then,
for sure. So I want to know. Okay, so you're
doing Hit the Lights. It's now going to be on
the upcoming album No Life Till Leather. What may. Let's
start with what made you pick hit the Lights have
(01:48):
all the Metallica songs.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was actually picked for us. I gotta admit.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We got asked if we wanted to be on the
compilation album, and obviously, you know, said yes. We saw
Saxon and Motorhead and so many great bands on there.
We were never going to turn it down, you know,
and so many great British heavy metal bands. But we
got sent the track that we were going to do
and no complaints. I mean, like you say, here the
Lights incredible metal tune and the opener on the album
(02:16):
as well.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You know, can't get better than that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I know, right, And I see I remember, oh, I
was there at Metallica's first show, and I remember the
first metal Massacre and hearing that song on there, and
I was like, oh my god, Now, like that's what
turned me into a thrash metal head right there. Before that,
it was like Priest then Madeen and then Metallica and
(02:43):
Slayer after that. But and that brings me in something
else because you guys have a new album as well,
and it was produced by KK Downing. How did that happen?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
That's a long story really, I'll condense it down for
you I mean, we put out a debut EP back
end of twenty twenty two in December could Crash Dive.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
It's the first thing we have ever released.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And somehow I still don't know who it was, but
someone turned KK onto it. I mean, I need to
find out who and buying the beer one day, right,
But KK heard the CP and obviously liked what he
heard and we got an invite to open. He was
making his big comeback with kk's Priest, the first KKs
Priest show at the steel Mill KK steel Mill in
(03:35):
Wolverhampton to kill a venue in the Midlands. It was
Paul Deanos main support, you know, before he passed away,
and then KK asked us to open, which was killer.
I mean basically he said to his manager, like, this
new band tail Gunner, I want them to open this show.
And that was It was only the second time we'd
ever supported another band. There's a big deal for us,
(03:59):
and things really just exploded from there and when crazy
really and we stayed in touch with KK over the
next kind of year or so and his manager and
basically these days we shared the entire same team, so
we've we've got all the same people behind us and
when it came time to do this new record, our
second record, and we were talking about producers throwing names around,
(04:22):
and someone went, well, why don't we just ask KK
And it was like, fuck, yeah, that's that's perfect, and
thankfully he was. He was up for it, and we
had a blast. Man, I mean, just learning so much
from you know, a heavy metal god.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Really and he's the nicest guy in the world too,
So like it really is.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We've been lucky enough to tour with some of our
some of our heroes and some big bands and all
the rest of it.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And you know, you.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Meet some some good people, you meet some bad people,
but you know, KK is, It's true. He's the nicest guy.
I mean, forget, forget Dave Groll. KK is the nicest
guy in rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I have to agree, and Dave is nice too,
but I mean, like KK is just here's the thing.
I think a lot of icons, not all, but most
icons they have no clue to icons because they didn't
set out to be a rock star. They just wanted
to be a musician. And so like they're usually the
nicest ones and the most humble because they like they
(05:20):
have no clue, you know, in a sense, you know,
and it's kind of hard to conceive if you're that not
that ego maniac, you know that you're like this metal god.
Like I would put myself in his shoes, and it's
like I'd probably be like, what are they talking about?
(05:42):
You know, like you don't really think of it that way.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, he's very humble guy.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean he'll be telling us stuff about you know
who will be in the studio. We were in the
studio and he was referring to something priested in the
eighties and something super obvious.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
He'd be like, oh, you know, we had this.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Intro on this album we did, Screaming for Vengeance called
the HELLI and we're like, we know ken.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right right right, Like it's an obscure song by some
band nobody knows. And that see. I think that's cool
when bands, you know, they start out obscure that nobody knows,
but then they keep that same mindset the whole time.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know, Well, the big the big thing is as well.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I mean, how many guys from that generation are actively
interested in new heavy metal and scene, right?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I mean I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I can't name really too many people. And that's why
to me, he is like the true defender of the
faith because he's he's fucking out there and keeping it
alive and promoting new bands.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I love hearing that, and it's so true as somebody
that is og from the eighties time. The my reason
I probably know all the newer bands than I do,
and I know a lot of them, it's because of
what I do, because I talked to my old school
friends and I went to shows with in the eighties
and I'm like, oh, you gotta listen to this band.
(07:06):
And the problem was back then, to be honest, it
was we were such fucking stupid gatekeepers that God forbid
anything news should come along after the eighties. Like my
friends from way back, they still kind of think, oh,
there's no good band since the eighties, and I'm like, yeah,
I'll show you a few bands that'll blow you away.
(07:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah. The thing is as well these days, it's almost
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, You've obviously always had the Legends, Priest, Motorhead
Made and all the rest of them, but there's a
whole wave I think since probably the mid nineties onwards.
Bands almost have to be better playing old school heavy
metal than a lot of what was around in the
kind of say the lower tiers of bands, the lesser
(07:54):
known bands back in the eighties, because it's harder to
prove themselves because so many like kids these days just
want to listen to metalcore or the older crowd from
back in the day.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
They have to be, like you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Say, even more convinced, because it's like it's it's these
fucking kids playing like what we did forty years ago,
you know what I mean. So I feel like you
actually have to work even harder. And that's not a
bad thing. It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, it's definitely true, because it's like, so you take
bands like Metallic and Slagh or nobody else was there
was nobody else to compare to before them, you know,
and then I the best I think of is Venom. Yeah,
so back then they were like they considered themselves the
only black metal band, and I love them, okay, but
(08:41):
it's so funny because black metal bands today would never
consider Venom black metal. And even now for me, all
these years later, like I remember getting Welcome to Hell,
like when it first came out, it was an import
and I was literally scared when I listened into it
for the first time because there was nothing else like
(09:03):
it like that, and I'm reading the lyrics and stuff,
and now I listen to those same songs, I'm like,
sounds kind of poppy now, you know. And that's why
I dig you guys too, because you kind of have
that old school feel with new metal, not genre new metal,
(09:25):
but today metal, you know, type of modernization I think
is the way I look at it. It's like you're
the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, that's that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mean, we don't really try to play you know,
quote unquote eighties metal.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
We just play hitty, right, we don't.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
We don't deep it too much because there's a whole
scene of bands around these days in like in the
underground that it's like if it doesn't sound and I'm
talking in terms of the production, if it doesn't sound
like a demo from nineteen eighty two, then it isn't cool.
I'm like, I love that and I love those bands,
and I kind of love that mindset. But at the
(10:03):
same time, like we're trying to build a career, so
it's like, yeah, we are in a position now and
being with Napalm Records and things, and obviously working with
KK he's not going to let us have shitty sounding
drums on a record, or you know what I mean.
It's like we have an accept we're still doing everything
the old school way. But the thing is for me,
and I've said this before. In the eighties, a lot
(10:25):
of those guys were pushing the envelope.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So these days we can look back and go ar,
it sounds so old school, sounds a vintage, but you
look at you know, okay, extreme example, but def Leopard
on Hysteria that was like the cutting edge of technology,
and I think it's actually an important thing and priested
that a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
They were always looking to.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Do something new and fresh, and we look at if
they didn't have that attitude, you would never have had Painkiller.
And that's exactly what we're trying to do as well,
is still play heavy metal the old school way, the
coolest way, but try and push the envelope and take
it further and take it to the next thing.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So it's not just about sounding like it's from nineteen
to eighty two, you know see.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I love that attitude because that is what it's
all about. We don't need to regurgitate everything that was
the beginning and you do need to evolve. Doesn't mean
that's not an influence, you know, but it's not like,
you know, it's not like Slayers set out to sound
like Priest or Maiden. But when Slayer first started, they
(11:24):
that's what they did is Priest and Maiden cover songs
and stuff like that. You know, Tom didn't even know
what heavy metal was when he Drew joined Slayer, So yeah,
you know, and then you know, I love your attitude
because there are a lot of bands that I see
that almost nowadays call this like formula, like an algebraic
(11:47):
equation to make the metal, and that's weird to me
because you go back then, there was no equation. And
in fact, if you talk to a lot of the Urts, okay,
like James, he always he talks about how Seeking Destroy
is played at the San Jose Sharks game, but he's like,
(12:07):
I don't understand why they played the original version, like
the one I redid is much better because my voice
sucked then. But then you take somebody like me old
school that I love that original raw James' voice, but
I also know that he's an artist that has to
(12:28):
progress and get better as craft and evolve, So I
like the new voice too, you know. And it's it's
kind of you can't stay in one place, is the point.
And so even the eighties bands, if they're staying in
one place, they didn't make it past the eighties. Metallica evolved.
(12:48):
We didn't like it back then, the gate peez oh posers, sellouts,
blah blah blah. But you can't deny the Black Album,
even though at first we are all, oh, that's a
piece of shit. They suck, but you can't deny how
great that album is. Without it, you guys probably wouldn't
(13:09):
be doing a compilation album of kill ma all. If
it weren't for the Bratton Black Album, probably nobody would
even remember.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well that's the thing. I mean, heavy metal is.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Not supposed our rules, you know, right, but oh it's
so unmetal to say this has it has to be
done this way or it's not true metal.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
It's like, not fuck off, it's it's true metal because
we say it's.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
True metal, right, And it's because it's a passion, you know.
It's like two, I'll talk to people and they're saying, well,
I used to like metal, and I'm like, you were
never into metal. If you say you used to like metal.
That's a matter where where you went in life, how
old you are, like you know, it's part of you.
(13:52):
It's different, I think than a lot of other music.
Punk and metal is more of an identity and music
opposed to us music.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's why the fans are so loyal as well. Yeah,
you look like Motorhead. I mean it just I mean
if Lenny was alive now, they'd still be around. But
it's it's why a lot of these bands they can
have one hit and it's it doesn't fucking matter in metal.
It doesn't matter if you never have a chart in
hit or a breakthrough or get played on the radio.
I mean, Iron Maiden and one of the biggest bands
(14:23):
in the world, and they've never really been.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
A chart band right now.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I mean in the UK they had one number one
single which was bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter, which
is a song. But like as far as like actual
Maiden fans go like, who really gives a shit?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know, right totally, And part of the charm for
metal was always that too. That's why you got into
it and that's why you had a passion for it.
We're like one big family that I always laugh because
I do all these festivals. I do interviews and we
let I laugh with some of the rs that we're interviewing.
It's like they'll say, yeah, let's keep people thinking were scary.
(15:02):
You know. It's like like people think we're so scary,
and like, you go to a metal show and it's
just one big family and everybody's there for each other
and there are no outsiders. And that's what I love
about metal today because it wasn't like that in the eighties.
It was bullshit in the eighties sometimes, you know, it's like,
(15:23):
you know, if you showed up to a Slayer show
with a Motley Cruise shirt on, somebody would rip that
shirt off your back and throw it up to Tom
and he'd burn it on stage, and you were like
an outcast. But you know what, that was bullshit. You know.
I thought it was cool when I was a teenager,
and now I realized it was just bullshit, you know.
(15:44):
So what got you into metal originally? Fuck?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean I remember coming home from school as a
kid and we had watched the School of Rock movie.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Do you remember that was Jack Black?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And totally, to be honest, watching the movie, it didn't
really have much of an impact on me, but I
got there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
They played the Rift to.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Smoke on the Water in the movie, and I remember
coming home from school and like, none of my family
are really into into metal or you know, but my
dad's into music. And I was just singing this rift,
just humming the Smoke on the Water. If he goes,
if you like that, you should fucking check this out.
And he sat me down with a pair of headphones
(16:26):
and put on the back in Black album and like,
oh man, as soon as I heard Brian Johnson sing,
it was like that fucking moment in The Wizard of Oz.
I mean, I've heard, but it's like the world went
into color. And I mean literally from that fucking moment
as a kid until now, I'm exactly the same person,
do you know what I mean? And that same night
(16:47):
then I heard Guns and Roses and ACDC and the
Pistols for the first time and just totally blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
And that's that was it. That was just it. I
was away at the races.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's kind of help, right, there's that one time and
you're just like I saw Motley Crue live at the
Roxy before they had an album. It was the first
club show I ever went to and like they weren't
hair metal yet, they were horror punk at that time.
And I remember going to that club show. I'm like,
(17:20):
I'm never going to a real concert ever again. Like
it was the most amazing experience, you know, And you know,
it ended up every Friday and Saturday night. That's what
I was doing all through high school, you know. And
it's funny you mentioned Smoke Underwater because I wonder if
(17:41):
guitars are picking up a guitar for the first time
now to learn guitar, if they have the same thing,
and I highly doubt they do. When I was a teenager,
the first song you ever were taught to play on guitar,
everybody was Smoke on the Water.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think it's still pretty much to say.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I can't speak for kids now, but bands
don't really write the riffs like that. I mean new
new stile of bands. I mean, I saw a fucking
like a real on Instagram the other day and it
was a guy, a guitar player, and how did we
how did we end up at this? And he was
playing like a modern metal, chuggy chuggy riff when he's like,
(18:22):
but forty years ago, we had riffs like this, and
he's playing like lay it Down by Rat, you know,
and I just no one, no one really, I say,
no one. We do because I d push my band,
but no one writes riffs like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, that's why they have to check out your version
hit the Lights and you know, obviously get the album
uh No Life to Leather but more, and also get
the album Midnight Blitz because then they could see what
you're about. Because I watched the video uh uh you do,
even though I was there, I watched the video of
(18:56):
you guys do and hit the Lights of download. But
then I pulled up your newest video. I was like,
now they're bad ass, because that's when you really tell
if a band's bad ass, when you hear what they
do with their own music, because that's them being totally them.
And so everybody definitely has to check you guys out.
Tell everybody how they reached you on socials, how they
(19:16):
get the new album, and you know, check to our dates,
buy merch all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Whatever's easiest for them.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, if you search tailgun or on Google will
come up, so that's all they need to do. If
they search us on YouTube will be there and if
they want to buy our album, whatever way that they
would normally go and grab an album, they'll find it nice.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well, I look forward to seeing you at Download Yet
next year, and maybe you'll be at Bloodstock too, because
I'm also at that one and I think you guys
would be great at that one. That's a killer festival.
And thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thanks for having me dude, good speak to you same.
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Patement on
w for CUI Radio.
Hi, you love one to the censure for Wow for
you young.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with
our next guest. That Oh one of the first songs
I ever loved. We're going to talk about here. So
let's welcome Bones from Teil Gunner.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
How are you, hey man, Yeah, I'm good. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
On Oh My Pleasure. And you know, I'm kind of
bummed because I was at Download doing interviews in the
press and I didn't get to catch you guys playing
Hit the Lights at Download. I was like I saw
to be I'm like, fuck, I miss that. That sucks.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, that's the thing with Download is, you know people
say these days are you know, Download doesn't have any
heavy metal bands anymore, but they don't look so thankfully
we'll be back next year and maybe we'll play Hit
the Lights again.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, well I'll be there next year, so I'll make
sure to not schedule any interviews during your set then,
for sure. So I want to know. Okay, so you're
doing Hit the Lights. It's now going to be on
the upcoming album No Life Till Leather. What may. Let's
start with what made you pick hit the Lights have
(01:48):
all the Metallica songs.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was actually picked for us. I gotta admit.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We got asked if we wanted to be on the
compilation album, and obviously, you know, said yes. We saw
Saxon and Motorhead and so many great bands on there.
We were never going to turn it down, you know,
and so many great British heavy metal bands. But we
got sent the track that we were going to do
and no complaints. I mean, like you say, here the
Lights incredible metal tune and the opener on the album
(02:16):
as well.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You know, can't get better than that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I know, right, And I see I remember, oh, I
was there at Metallica's first show, and I remember the
first metal Massacre and hearing that song on there, and
I was like, oh my god, Now, like that's what
turned me into a thrash metal head right there. Before that,
it was like Priest then Madeen and then Metallica and
(02:43):
Slayer after that. But and that brings me in something
else because you guys have a new album as well,
and it was produced by KK Downing. How did that happen?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
That's a long story really, I'll condense it down for
you I mean, we put out a debut EP back
end of twenty twenty two in December could Crash Dive.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
It's the first thing we have ever released.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And somehow I still don't know who it was, but
someone turned KK onto it. I mean, I need to
find out who and buying the beer one day, right,
But KK heard the CP and obviously liked what he
heard and we got an invite to open. He was
making his big comeback with kk's Priest, the first KKs
Priest show at the steel Mill KK steel Mill in
(03:35):
Wolverhampton to kill a venue in the Midlands. It was
Paul Deanos main support, you know, before he passed away,
and then KK asked us to open, which was killer.
I mean basically he said to his manager, like, this
new band tail Gunner, I want them to open this show.
And that was It was only the second time we'd
ever supported another band. There's a big deal for us,
(03:59):
and things really just exploded from there and when crazy
really and we stayed in touch with KK over the
next kind of year or so and his manager and
basically these days we shared the entire same team, so
we've we've got all the same people behind us and
when it came time to do this new record, our
second record, and we were talking about producers throwing names around,
(04:22):
and someone went, well, why don't we just ask KK
And it was like, fuck, yeah, that's that's perfect, and
thankfully he was. He was up for it, and we
had a blast. Man, I mean, just learning so much
from you know, a heavy metal god.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Really and he's the nicest guy in the world too,
So like it really is.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We've been lucky enough to tour with some of our
some of our heroes and some big bands and all
the rest of it.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And you know, you.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Meet some some good people, you meet some bad people,
but you know, KK is, It's true. He's the nicest guy.
I mean, forget, forget Dave Groll. KK is the nicest
guy in rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I have to agree, and Dave is nice too,
but I mean, like KK is just here's the thing.
I think a lot of icons, not all, but most
icons they have no clue to icons because they didn't
set out to be a rock star. They just wanted
to be a musician. And so like they're usually the
nicest ones and the most humble because they like they
(05:20):
have no clue, you know, in a sense, you know,
and it's kind of hard to conceive if you're that not
that ego maniac, you know that you're like this metal god.
Like I would put myself in his shoes, and it's
like I'd probably be like, what are they talking about?
(05:42):
You know, like you don't really think of it that way.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, he's very humble guy.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean he'll be telling us stuff about you know
who will be in the studio. We were in the
studio and he was referring to something priested in the
eighties and something super obvious.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
He'd be like, oh, you know, we had this.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Intro on this album we did, Screaming for Vengeance called
the HELLI and we're like, we know ken.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right right right, Like it's an obscure song by some
band nobody knows. And that see. I think that's cool
when bands, you know, they start out obscure that nobody knows,
but then they keep that same mindset the whole time.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know, Well, the big the big thing is as well.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I mean, how many guys from that generation are actively
interested in new heavy metal and scene, right?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I mean I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I can't name really too many people. And that's why
to me, he is like the true defender of the
faith because he's he's fucking out there and keeping it
alive and promoting new bands.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I love hearing that, and it's so true as somebody
that is og from the eighties time. The my reason
I probably know all the newer bands than I do,
and I know a lot of them, it's because of
what I do, because I talked to my old school
friends and I went to shows with in the eighties
and I'm like, oh, you gotta listen to this band.
(07:06):
And the problem was back then, to be honest, it
was we were such fucking stupid gatekeepers that God forbid
anything news should come along after the eighties. Like my
friends from way back, they still kind of think, oh,
there's no good band since the eighties, and I'm like, yeah,
I'll show you a few bands that'll blow you away.
(07:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah. The thing is as well these days, it's almost
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, You've obviously always had the Legends, Priest, Motorhead
Made and all the rest of them, but there's a
whole wave I think since probably the mid nineties onwards.
Bands almost have to be better playing old school heavy
metal than a lot of what was around in the
kind of say the lower tiers of bands, the lesser
(07:54):
known bands back in the eighties, because it's harder to
prove themselves because so many like kids these days just
want to listen to metalcore or the older crowd from
back in the day.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
They have to be, like you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Say, even more convinced, because it's like it's it's these
fucking kids playing like what we did forty years ago,
you know what I mean. So I feel like you
actually have to work even harder. And that's not a
bad thing. It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, it's definitely true, because it's like, so you take
bands like Metallic and Slagh or nobody else was there
was nobody else to compare to before them, you know,
and then I the best I think of is Venom. Yeah,
so back then they were like they considered themselves the
only black metal band, and I love them, okay, but
(08:41):
it's so funny because black metal bands today would never
consider Venom black metal. And even now for me, all
these years later, like I remember getting Welcome to Hell,
like when it first came out, it was an import
and I was literally scared when I listened into it
for the first time because there was nothing else like
(09:03):
it like that, and I'm reading the lyrics and stuff,
and now I listen to those same songs, I'm like,
sounds kind of poppy now, you know. And that's why
I dig you guys too, because you kind of have
that old school feel with new metal, not genre new metal,
(09:25):
but today metal, you know, type of modernization I think
is the way I look at it. It's like you're
the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, that's that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mean, we don't really try to play you know,
quote unquote eighties metal.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
We just play hitty, right, we don't.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
We don't deep it too much because there's a whole
scene of bands around these days in like in the
underground that it's like if it doesn't sound and I'm
talking in terms of the production, if it doesn't sound
like a demo from nineteen eighty two, then it isn't cool.
I'm like, I love that and I love those bands,
and I kind of love that mindset. But at the
(10:03):
same time, like we're trying to build a career, so
it's like, yeah, we are in a position now and
being with Napalm Records and things, and obviously working with
KK he's not going to let us have shitty sounding
drums on a record, or you know what I mean.
It's like we have an accept we're still doing everything
the old school way. But the thing is for me,
and I've said this before. In the eighties, a lot
(10:25):
of those guys were pushing the envelope.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So these days we can look back and go ar,
it sounds so old school, sounds a vintage, but you
look at you know, okay, extreme example, but def Leopard
on Hysteria that was like the cutting edge of technology,
and I think it's actually an important thing and priested
that a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
They were always looking to.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Do something new and fresh, and we look at if
they didn't have that attitude, you would never have had Painkiller.
And that's exactly what we're trying to do as well,
is still play heavy metal the old school way, the
coolest way, but try and push the envelope and take
it further and take it to the next thing.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So it's not just about sounding like it's from nineteen
to eighty two, you know see.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I love that attitude because that is what it's
all about. We don't need to regurgitate everything that was
the beginning and you do need to evolve. Doesn't mean
that's not an influence, you know, but it's not like,
you know, it's not like Slayers set out to sound
like Priest or Maiden. But when Slayer first started, they
(11:24):
that's what they did is Priest and Maiden cover songs
and stuff like that. You know, Tom didn't even know
what heavy metal was when he Drew joined Slayer, So yeah,
you know, and then you know, I love your attitude
because there are a lot of bands that I see
that almost nowadays call this like formula, like an algebraic
(11:47):
equation to make the metal, and that's weird to me
because you go back then, there was no equation. And
in fact, if you talk to a lot of the Urts, okay,
like James, he always he talks about how Seeking Destroy
is played at the San Jose Sharks game, but he's like,
(12:07):
I don't understand why they played the original version, like
the one I redid is much better because my voice
sucked then. But then you take somebody like me old
school that I love that original raw James' voice, but
I also know that he's an artist that has to
(12:28):
progress and get better as craft and evolve, So I
like the new voice too, you know. And it's it's
kind of you can't stay in one place, is the point.
And so even the eighties bands, if they're staying in
one place, they didn't make it past the eighties. Metallica evolved.
(12:48):
We didn't like it back then, the gate peez oh posers, sellouts,
blah blah blah. But you can't deny the Black Album,
even though at first we are all, oh, that's a
piece of shit. They suck, but you can't deny how
great that album is. Without it, you guys probably wouldn't
(13:09):
be doing a compilation album of kill ma all. If
it weren't for the Bratton Black Album, probably nobody would
even remember.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well that's the thing. I mean, heavy metal is.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Not supposed our rules, you know, right, but oh it's
so unmetal to say this has it has to be
done this way or it's not true metal.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
It's like, not fuck off, it's it's true metal because
we say it's.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
True metal, right, And it's because it's a passion, you know.
It's like two, I'll talk to people and they're saying, well,
I used to like metal, and I'm like, you were
never into metal. If you say you used to like metal.
That's a matter where where you went in life, how
old you are, like you know, it's part of you.
(13:52):
It's different, I think than a lot of other music.
Punk and metal is more of an identity and music
opposed to us music.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's why the fans are so loyal as well. Yeah,
you look like Motorhead. I mean it just I mean
if Lenny was alive now, they'd still be around. But
it's it's why a lot of these bands they can
have one hit and it's it doesn't fucking matter in metal.
It doesn't matter if you never have a chart in
hit or a breakthrough or get played on the radio.
I mean, Iron Maiden and one of the biggest bands
(14:23):
in the world, and they've never really been.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
A chart band right now.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I mean in the UK they had one number one
single which was bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter, which
is a song. But like as far as like actual
Maiden fans go like, who really gives a shit?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know, right totally, And part of the charm for
metal was always that too. That's why you got into
it and that's why you had a passion for it.
We're like one big family that I always laugh because
I do all these festivals. I do interviews and we
let I laugh with some of the rs that we're interviewing.
It's like they'll say, yeah, let's keep people thinking were scary.
(15:02):
You know. It's like like people think we're so scary,
and like, you go to a metal show and it's
just one big family and everybody's there for each other
and there are no outsiders. And that's what I love
about metal today because it wasn't like that in the eighties.
It was bullshit in the eighties sometimes, you know, it's like,
(15:23):
you know, if you showed up to a Slayer show
with a Motley Cruise shirt on, somebody would rip that
shirt off your back and throw it up to Tom
and he'd burn it on stage, and you were like
an outcast. But you know what, that was bullshit. You know.
I thought it was cool when I was a teenager,
and now I realized it was just bullshit, you know.
(15:44):
So what got you into metal originally? Fuck?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean I remember coming home from school as a
kid and we had watched the School of Rock movie.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Do you remember that was Jack Black?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And totally, to be honest, watching the movie, it didn't
really have much of an impact on me, but I
got there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
They played the Rift to.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Smoke on the Water in the movie, and I remember
coming home from school and like, none of my family
are really into into metal or you know, but my
dad's into music. And I was just singing this rift,
just humming the Smoke on the Water. If he goes,
if you like that, you should fucking check this out.
And he sat me down with a pair of headphones
(16:26):
and put on the back in Black album and like,
oh man, as soon as I heard Brian Johnson sing,
it was like that fucking moment in The Wizard of Oz.
I mean, I've heard, but it's like the world went
into color. And I mean literally from that fucking moment
as a kid until now, I'm exactly the same person,
do you know what I mean? And that same night
(16:47):
then I heard Guns and Roses and ACDC and the
Pistols for the first time and just totally blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
And that's that was it. That was just it. I
was away at the races.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's kind of help, right, there's that one time and
you're just like I saw Motley Crue live at the
Roxy before they had an album. It was the first
club show I ever went to and like they weren't
hair metal yet, they were horror punk at that time.
And I remember going to that club show. I'm like,
(17:20):
I'm never going to a real concert ever again. Like
it was the most amazing experience, you know, And you know,
it ended up every Friday and Saturday night. That's what
I was doing all through high school, you know. And
it's funny you mentioned Smoke Underwater because I wonder if
(17:41):
guitars are picking up a guitar for the first time
now to learn guitar, if they have the same thing,
and I highly doubt they do. When I was a teenager,
the first song you ever were taught to play on guitar,
everybody was Smoke on the Water.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think it's still pretty much to say.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I can't speak for kids now, but bands
don't really write the riffs like that. I mean new
new stile of bands. I mean, I saw a fucking
like a real on Instagram the other day and it
was a guy, a guitar player, and how did we
how did we end up at this? And he was
playing like a modern metal, chuggy chuggy riff when he's like,
(18:22):
but forty years ago, we had riffs like this, and
he's playing like lay it Down by Rat, you know,
and I just no one, no one really, I say,
no one. We do because I d push my band,
but no one writes riffs like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, that's why they have to check out your version
hit the Lights and you know, obviously get the album
uh No Life to Leather but more, and also get
the album Midnight Blitz because then they could see what
you're about. Because I watched the video uh uh you do,
even though I was there, I watched the video of
(18:56):
you guys do and hit the Lights of download. But
then I pulled up your newest video. I was like,
now they're bad ass, because that's when you really tell
if a band's bad ass, when you hear what they
do with their own music, because that's them being totally them.
And so everybody definitely has to check you guys out.
Tell everybody how they reached you on socials, how they
(19:16):
get the new album, and you know, check to our dates,
buy merch all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Whatever's easiest for them.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, if you search tailgun or on Google will
come up, so that's all they need to do. If
they search us on YouTube will be there and if
they want to buy our album, whatever way that they
would normally go and grab an album, they'll find it nice.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well, I look forward to seeing you at Download Yet
next year, and maybe you'll be at Bloodstock too, because
I'm also at that one and I think you guys
would be great at that one. That's a killer festival.
And thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thanks for having me dude, good speak to you same.
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Patement on
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