Blacklist Union New Music With Ozzy Osbourne Tribute, DOLL Jaws Shark Bait

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This it's the pipe Man here on the Adventures of
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with our next guest who has some killer new music.
So let's welcome to the show. Tony West from Blacklist Union.
How are you, good man?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Thanks, Oh, my pleasure, my pleasure. And so I love
this new single you got up in Smoke and the
video is pre killer. So tell us a little bit about,
you know, your creative ideas of making this video.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I mean, the.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Song's about pretty much trying to stay in the moment,
you know what I'm saying, and which is not a
hard thing to do. I tell my kids like it's
called the present because if you can actually stay in it,
it's a gift, you know, And look at kids like
kids are in the moment all the time, Like they
don't have worries about you know, how am I going
to pay this or what happened yesterday and stuff, you

(01:47):
know what I mean. And we were all kids once
and we all have that, you know, So that's kind
of what that song's about. And you know so much,
so many songs I've written about this hideous relationship thing.
I went through all that, and that's partly influenced by that.
But a lot of the songs I don't know if
you know, but like I meant to the jungle a

(02:07):
bunch of times with the Shapibo Indians and the Amazon
and Peru, and so a lot of these songs are
inspired by by those journeys and that you know, spiritual
aspect of life.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, I'd like to hear more about those journeys because
they were, uh, as far as I know, a big,
big part of healing a lot of your past to
be able to be in the present. And so I
want to hear about your journeys with it, because you know,
everybody has a different journey, and I'm always curious, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know, I had a gnarly you know childhood. I
grew up in New York and all that and came
to LA as a teenager and like teenage runaway basically,
and you know, I went through a lot of things
and I lost a lot of people, man, like my
my girlfriend was killed in a car accident on the
road and my first his wife died and then the
back to Momo record, you know, the fourth record I

(03:05):
wrote with Todd Youth, who you know, I knew him
since I was fifteen and he was my good friend.
And Todd did many things. He played with Danzig, he played,
he was all over. I mean, he played everyone from
Glenn Danzig to Glenn Campbell, you know, but you know,
and he died. And when he died October twenty seven,
twenty eighteen, I was like, man, I can't let this

(03:27):
ruin my life, because you know, my wife's death and
my girlfriend's death like that shit ruined. I'm not, but
it destroyed my life. I let it destroy my life.
And you know, drinking and using behind that kind of
shit doesn't really help either. But anyway, when Todd died,
I was I had learned through a friend about ayahuasca

(03:47):
and I started researching in hardcore and I found the
you know, the Grand poohbahs so to speak of who
does this And it's the Shappibo Indians in the Amazon
jungle in Peru. So you know, that's was the beginning
of the deep, deep spiritual healing and that stuff, you know,

(04:08):
you know, for the most part sober. And when I
went there, I kept telling the Indians and like, yo,
I can't do drugs, Like I don't do drugs, and
they're like, this isn't drugs, Tony, this isn't medicinea because
they couldn't speak any English, and and I was like okay,
and they were right. And you know there's people who say, oh,
I've done mushrooms or I've done this and that, and
ayahuasca is you cannot compare it to anything. It truly, truly,

(04:32):
truly is medicine, and it truly does take you to
those other realms, these spiritual realms that we all know about,
although we just forgot about because we've been so long
and all that stuff. And so I was able to
let go of so much sorrow. First of all, I
had so much sorrow. You know, I knew I had sorrow,
but man, you know, it was deep seated sorrow. And

(04:55):
like my first intention I remember, you have to have
an intention every time you go do a ceremony, and
my first one was to see all my people that
are no longer here on this realm, and man, I
saw all of them plus more.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know, wow.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
But the uh, the inspiration and healing and all that
stuff is just so deeply profound and beautiful. And you know,
the Letters from the psych Ward record is all about that,
and so is this new one coming out, Slay the Dragon.
You know, it's all about that deep, deep shit.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
That's that's pretty cool, man, because I know a lot
of people even there's another band, and my mind's drawing
blank right now because I'm like, I'm sure you know
we're doing this interview now, and Ozzie just passed, you know,
which is.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
That's just unbelievable. You know, Ozzie is one of the
people that saved my life as a kid. I was
just telling, you know, or my assistant here, and dude,
I've met him so many times and he was always soon,
super humble, super kind, funny as fuck without even trying
to be like right, we just had that and you know,

(06:08):
I have goosebumps. And when I found I mean, I
definitely cried when I heard the news. And but you know,
I could tell not so much with Ozzy. I mean,
you could see he was not well. But I saw
some pictures of Sharon from the event and I was like,
oh god, he's dying. And I just saw that from her,
not even from him. You know what I'm saying. It's

(06:29):
weird because that day I was practicing vocals and you know,
usually sing like twenty songs. I know Ozzy. I studied
Ozzy like deep. You know, I could sing any Sabbath
song man and with Ozzy, and you know, I studied
him deep, and he's such a big.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Part of me.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
And man, there's no words. I mean, she's gone. You know,
it's like what the fun you know.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
And I had an idea just like you too, like
just everything and even now I'm thinking of all the
different things and it all makes sense. And I said
years ago before he was even ever sick. But when
you know, Sharon kept trying him to retire. I'm like, man,
if he retired, he would probably pass away because he
loves the stage and the whole. He loves all of

(07:16):
it so much, you know, And you know it's funny.
I went a similar pack to you, because you know,
I grew up in Jersey. I was born New York.
One day, not in nineteen eighty, my dad comes up
to me, he goes, pack your bags. We're moving to
California in three days.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Wow. And so where California did you move to?

Speaker 5 (07:40):
La So I lived that whole metal scene, the Sunset Strip,
Troubadour Country Club. First first club show I ever went
to in my life was Motley Crue before they even
had an album, when they were like horror punk, and
he was at the Roxy and they were trying to
burn the Roxy down to bring Satan and I'm like,
oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert

(08:03):
ever again. That's the greatest thing I ever saw, you know,
type of thing, you know. And then I did go
to what was it. I think it was eighty two.
I'm trying to remember which year, but New Year's Eve
Ozzie played. I think it was The Forum, and I
told my dad I was sleeping over my bro's house.

(08:25):
He told his parents he was sleeping over my house,
you know, the typical thing. And we went to Ozzy show.
It was with Randy Rhoades, like a few months before
he died, so I got to see Randy and then
weirdest thing happened. We get home and I'm living in
like Lakeland Duo and Agra and I'm at the bottom
by the lake. So my parents went and my dad

(08:46):
wouldn't see us and stuff, and my next door neighbor
comes out. She sees us with all the Ozzie swagon
and she goes, hey, boys, were you just at the
Ozsy concert? And we're like yeah, and we're like, oh fuck,
we're in trouble now. And she goes, wait there, I'm
gonna get my husband and so we're like, oh crap.

(09:06):
Husband comes out, brings us up to the house. He
had a studio in the house. Wall the wall caseet tapes.
Turned out he was Ozzie's promoter. Nice like it was
like wild And then I did I had a history
class at a Gora High that the only project we

(09:27):
had to do was an oral report on anything anybody,
and I did mine an Ozzy and gun a. So
the Ozzie runs deep here too.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
There's just no words, dude.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Oh I don't even know, but.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Really it actually does. I mean, my heart hurts, actually
you know what I mean? Because yes, so much for me,
you know, and so many others, I mean, everybody, And
I was so loved, Like he was loved, dude, for
all his kookiness and all his stuff, Like he was
just accepted in love. Like that's a beautiful thing, you.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Know, totally, Like who would ever imagine, Like even you
think about him even lasting as lung as he did,
who would nobody would have ever imagined he lasted as
long as he did, that all the shenanigans that he
got involved in. But I think I know, right.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I love the one story where there was protesters at
his concert and he was wearing a dress and a
wig and he got into the crowd and was protesting
with them, and.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Ship like that's so oddsy too, man, Like, it's just
so amazing, And even right down to the end with
the sense of humor, you're talking about how funny he was,
Like I'm sure he saw when Sid proposed to Kelly,
but before he got it out of his mouth, he's like,
you know, fucking marrying my daughter, like right to oh man,

(10:48):
so wild. But I love your concept of your music
and using that hyahuasca journey because it's kind of like
music is the best therapy there is in my opinion,
and so now you're taking everything to me that started

(11:09):
to heal you and put it into your music so
we can all heal too.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's exactly right, dude, and I love you.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
These last two records have really hit harder, way harder
than our previous things, because everything's a frequency and a vibration,
you know, and and people don't know exactly why it
might be hitting them harder, but it's true. Like my
my friend calls it medicine music, you know, therapeutic. And
the way I write shit also for myself, is the

(11:41):
reminders on how to deal with.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Things, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Like, you know, I'm not floating away like Gandhi, and
you know, the staying in the moment thing is practice
just like music, just like yoga, you know what I mean.
And some moments are easier than others and so forth.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
But well, I'm also I'm an evational speaker and I'm
a firm believer. Like it's it's not easy to be positive,
like you don't just wake up and you're like that,
it takes work, you do. It's much easier to be negative,
you know, for sure, listening to.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
This dude, doctor Joe Dispensa. Have you heard of him.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
I've heard the name, but I haven't heard his stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Amazing, dude, Like it's basically rewiring your brain. Like you know,
someone like me who grew up in this abuse verbally abusive,
physically abusive, you name it, you know home as a child.
That stuff sticks in your brain.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Man, Like, yeah, told me what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Like, you know, I told bad things about myself as
a kid, and like believed that stuff. And I remember
one time, you know, this therapist was like, you.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Know that's a lie, right, So it's I love that she's.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Like I remember I went to say something and I
cry because no one ever said that to me before.
But you know, yeah, it's rewiring this dude. Doctor Joe
despense is really great. He talks about, you know, rewiring
in the power that we have. And it's funny because
all the things he talks about I discovered on my
own in the Ayahuasca ceremonies too, you know what I mean.

(13:06):
And again again we all know these things, but we
just forgot you know.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Most yeah, well that's what happens. You know, you go
through life and all this shit is thrown your way,
and yeah, you do kind of forget because you get
caught in the darkness sometimes.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Right right, yeah, and it's not easy to get out
sometimes either, you.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Know, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
People never do you know, kills them.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, exactly, which it's a blessing that you found. I
always say to people, find what works for you, you know,
Like even with my kid, you know, I had this
horrific childhood that I gravitated to motivational speakers like I was.
I was listening listening to Tony Robbins and Niams books
when I was eleven years old, you know, and that

(13:53):
was my like way to kai deal. And then the
mash bit has always been my way of dealing.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh yeah, walk was huge. Yeah for me. Punk rock
was saved my life.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Punk rock, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Man.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
It's like people don't get it with the mosh pit.
It's not about going into hurting main people. It's about
going in getting your shit out so you don't hurt
and name people on the outside.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's exactly right. But then you know, I remember as
a kid, you know, all the jock I call it
jock rock, like some of the hardcore, like you know,
they be swinging and stuff and like punching kick in.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah no, I'm not into that right right, Like I
like the circle pit, the camaraderie, the family, the somebody
falls you pick them up, like and it's just listen.
When I've had shit happened in my life, like really
like deaths and deep shit, I go into pit and

(14:47):
just let it all out there, you know, no doubt.
So you got the album dropping in September, Slay the Dragon.
What else can we expect from that? Out them?

Speaker 7 (15:00):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, up and spoke. Everybody's got to check out
the video. It's cool as hell.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Just videos. We just shot two new videos over the
weekend and Houston. Uh man, there were long days too.
Those were like twelve hour day Saturday and someday. For
the next singles, it's called Dying for You is the
next single, and the one after that is called can
You Heal Me? And then there's twelve originals on the

(15:27):
new record. There's no covers. We haven't done any covers
for this record, but there's some good deep cuts. Man.
There's one called do It for the Song that we
added to our set, which is just amazing. And you
know the last two records too, is you know, our
our rhythms, you know, have become a niche of our sound.
You know that the drums in the in the bass,

(15:49):
and I'm big on Tom drums man, because like Tom
drums bring like it has the Indian you know aspect,
you know, and yeah, spiritualness to it and stuff. But man,
it's a kick ass record and I'm really proud of it.
So and I wrote this one again with Chris Johnson,
our producer who's produced all our records. This is gonna
be our sixth and after Todd died, you know, I

(16:10):
tried to find a songwriting partner and you know that's
like trying to find a wife and what you call it.
I just said to Chris, our producer, was like, why
don't we just write the record. I mean, you know
our sounds. You know my voice better than anyone. He
helped me develop my voice basically, So you know, me
and him wrote, Chris Johnson wrote, Me and him wrote
the whole Letters from the Psych Word record and this

(16:31):
record Slate the Dragon. Although I did write a few
songs with our manager Paul Crosby, who used to be
in Saliva.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
So nice. Yes, I saw about that. That's pretty cool too,
And I do love the like Indian drumming type of thing.
I always have. Like I remember, even when I wasn't
supposed to like them, way back in the eighties, I
was totally into like Adam and the Ant, not Adam An,
but Adam and the Ant.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah yeah and.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Bow wow wow because of that same drums stuff. Right,
Like you listen to songs like Dog Eat Dog and
Ant music, the drums in that is just so killer,
you know. Yeah, So tell everybody how they hit you
guys up on socials on the web, uh, you know,

(17:21):
check out all your new music, check the old stuff out,
merch tour date, it's all that time.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
We're on everything across the board, all all platforms, and
you can find us on Spotify. We have plenty of
killer videos on YouTube. And like I said, this is
gonna be our sixth record full length. You know, we
have a lot of music out there and a lot
of stuff. But you know, I do want to say
one thing, you know, with Ozzie dying and all this
stuff is like, you know, back in the day, you know,

(17:46):
Ozzie gave people like Motley chances or you know, he
brought people on the road that no one heard of
and you know people did that, you know what I mean,
back in the day. And like you know, I've been
saying lately, like you know, I'm sure Stephen Tyler and
Joe Perry are going to do another Aerosmator. It's just
going to be inevitable, you know. But like even Angus
from ac DC or six from Motley or Duff and

(18:08):
Slash and Axel and Del James Axle's right hand man,
and like, you know, please give Blacklist Union a chance
and take us on the road, you know, with you guys,
and so we can carry the torch of rock and roll.
And because there's people that know about us, but there's
lots of people that love rock and roll that still
don't know about Blacklist Union, you know what I'm saying.

(18:28):
So I've been saying to these people, like, please give
us a chance, like we won't let you down. And
you know, it's not only the music you got. First
of all, you gotta have the songs, and you gotta
have I always say, you got to bring the wow
factor because if you don't have the wow factor that
you're wasting your time. And you know, our live shows
are better than the record you know, and that's what
I work my ass off to be a good singer

(18:50):
and stay in shape and all that stuff. But look,
we're looking for someone to give us a break, whether
it's even you know, the Steel Panther guys or the
Buck Cherry guys or someone that will take us under
their wing for a while and let us do direct
support for them, you know, and to to create another scene,
to create some rock and roll for everyone, for the masses.

(19:13):
People need rock and roll. I have a thirteen year
old daughter, dude, and she'll play me the ship she
listens to. I'm like, what them like me? Because the lyrics,
you know, I consider myself a word smith. I love
writing rics, one of my favorite things. And you know,
these people on so much new stuff, it's like they
say this shit man, where it's just like it's about

(19:34):
the dope, the bitches, the money, you know, whatever, these
negative things, but they flat out say it. And I
was telling my daughter, Miyah, there's a lot of way
to say those things, but not saying it that way, like.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
You know what I'm saying totally.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
So people need rock and roll.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Look at the whole world's going to be affected by
Ozzie Dying, you know what I mean, Like people want
and need rock and roll now, especially in the UK
and Europe and South America and Australia and stuff. The
US is a little behind on.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
That shit, you know what I mean. Oh yeah, totally
rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Like people skip LA entirely nowadays on their itineraries and stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
It's just it's not what it used to be, not
when I was haunting LA. It's not like that. But
I'll tell you what, it's wild too, to your point.
So I do festivals all over the US, UK, Europe.
Just got back from incarceration. That's why I have no voice.
And and one thing I noticed over in Europe in

(20:37):
the UK, yeah, his there are bands that I was
into in the eighties that I thought were gone, and
they weren't gone. They were just over there all this
time because people love music so much, and you know,
the creativity like of some of these bands, Like I

(20:59):
was instantly thinking of you when you're just talking about
like I just did hell Fest, and you have these
bands like Hylong and you know other bands that are
like spiritually based but like have this cultish following over there,
and the coolest shit like that would probably be a
good tour for you to get on with Hylung. Check

(21:21):
them out if you've never checked them out. They're just
h Ei l u n g h I l u
n g okay, And they put on this show like
even if you don't like their music, they put on
this show that's absolutely insane. And people over there like

(21:42):
they're like a cultish following for this band, like big time,
you know. And I saw it kind of in you
because of watching the video and the same type of
spiritual thing and with the Hyahwa Waskin and all that
just it all goes hand in hand. But I also
do all the Danny Wimmer festival, and so I'm going
to shout out right now in case Danny hears it himself.

(22:05):
He's got to check you guys out, because he is
the guy in the US nowadays that takes bands under
his wing, you know, like it's wild. The festival I
just did, which is at Shawshank Prison a few years back,
this banned. Okay, they did the old school shit. They
invaded the festival. They like pulled up into the parking

(22:27):
lot and started playing. They're called Silly Goose Wimmer was
out there when they were doing it, and they ended
up playing the real stage the next day. And I've
played a bunch of the festivals since. So I'm just
bringing that out there in the universe for you.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Thank you, sir, you got it.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Any other last words you want to share with the
lizards that we haven't covered already.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, I mean, if you haven't heard Black List Union,
check us out. If you love rock and roll, I
always say, we have a money back guarantee if you
buy our record. If you love rock and roll, you
buy our record, you hate it guarantee.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
And I bet you never have to do that because people.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yet but there's always one guy, you.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Know, right. But Yeah, I'm looking forward to all the
new music and everything you're doing. I'm glad you're on
this journey because I think the whole world needs this
journey right now.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
They really do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I always say, I don't know if you've noticed, but
the world's gone batshit crazy.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Oh listen. From traveling to outside the country, you just
realize how crazy shit is too, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
And was going to Peru. I remember the first time
I was there, and like we were in these villages.
I mean to get to the jungle is like a
whole journey in itself. But these villages where I'm like,
you know, these people have nothing, Like they have no
windows where the windows go, there's no glass, there's no doors,
And I'd be like, at first, I was like, these
people have nothing, but they have everything because what they

(23:56):
have is family and community and love and they take
care of each other. Man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Like I was like, wow, Oh, I told you know,
because I go to Gsta Rica all the time surfing,
and I go like way off the beaten path, you know,
and the people like they have nothing nothing like you're saying.
A Tico house has basically got It's like you're camping,
you know, and they're always happy, right, and they're always

(24:23):
doing stuff with family. And I saw that in Bali too,
same thing. It's like, and you got we got it
wrong here in the US, man, Oh, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Trying to survive and pay these crazy bills and all
this stuff, the rents and the groceries and the gas
and all the nuttiness, you know, and those people got
it going on. They hardly have any possessions. They don't
even need them. They don't care, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (24:47):
No, And you know, the whole disappearing like I always thought.
You know, man, I love New York and the energy
and the dad and the fast base, and I'm blah
blah blah until I went to Costa Rica and like
you're sitting there with the whole town walking to the
beach two hours before sunset just to experience the sunset.

(25:11):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, see we all lost that, like we lost.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
That shit here in the US, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Do you live in New York now?

Speaker 7 (25:20):
No?

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I live in South Florida, where it's really fucking crazy.
What part I'm in wet near West Palm Beach. I
live on this island called Singer Island, so I'm kind
of separated from the crazies. But literally my studios in Wellington,
so I have to drive by mare A Lago to

(25:41):
get to my studio, and there's so many people I
know that they need a hyahuasca ceremony because they are
batshit crazy right now.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Man, you know they do them in Costa Rica.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I know.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Well, that's what I was gonna mention earlier, but I'm
drawing a blank. There's this band, I'll know it as
soon as I you know, like hangou, I'm like, there's
this band I've interviewed a couple of times. I've gotten
friendly with him. He he owns a hyahuasca like thing
in Costa Rica. In Costa Rica.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Oh please let me know.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna look it up when I remember, and
then I'll email you info because he if nothing else
good to connect with too, and maybe you guys can
tour together since you're on that same journey.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, he moves into it too. I went to
see The Cult a couple of years ago, and Ian
Astbury is a huge influence on me, especially as a kid,
and he's always had that Indian spiritual kind of flair thing,
you know, right. But I saw them play at the
Greek Theater like two or three years ago, and he,
in between songs said I want to thank Mother Ayahuasca.

(26:49):
I was like, what the help?

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Whoa?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
So he's hip to it. People are hip to it,
and especially as an artist, like do yourself a favor
and do it man, because it's so healing and it
we're like instruments, you know, we have to stay in tune.
And I always say, you know, like a drain for instance,
you know, if a drain is clogged with like hair
and all this shit, the water stops floating. Right, So

(27:15):
if we're clogged up as humans with sorrow and pain
and regret and remorse and resentment and all these things,
we can't be a proper flow of energy. Because a
true artist will tell you it ain't about me. Man,
I'm just a channel, you know what I'm saying. But
how the hell am I going to be a channel
if I'm clogged up with all this pain? Dude, you can't,

(27:36):
you can't be. And then you know, this is a
whole rabbit hole. But then people take meds or whatever,
like that's even, that's a whole thing. But I don't
fuck with anything.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
But like, I'd rather do stuff like Ayahuaska than big
for any big pharma share any day.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I always say, you know, and this is from my experience.
I know people need it. And I'm not a doctor
by any means, never played one on TV either, But
my experience has been that the pharmaceuticals are worse than
street drugs, dude. And then no doubt because street drugs
at least you in the two weeks, say maybe if

(28:16):
you had a physical addiction or you know the depression
that comes with the kicks and all that two weeks
you're out of the woods with the med thing, six
to nine months of losing your mind. Yeah, and that
shit happened to me twice. And I'll never ever ever
do anything like that again, you.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Know, no doubt. And it's like even okay, so they
keep legalizing marijuana everywhere, but they're doing the same thing.
They're taking this man and this organic stuff and making
mad science like man made science. The shits stronger, there
more ways to do it. And then you see people

(28:53):
yeah yeah, yeah, it's just like they're just zoned that
or mine and it's not better, you know now that
they have control over it, you know that to your point?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Really well, thank god we got people like you and
artists like you so you could be you know, a
voice for all the rest of us. And I thank
you for that, and thanks for being on the Adventures
of Pipe Man.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yes, sir, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
Man W four c Y Radio. And we have somebody
really cool for our next guest, with some great new
music that I love what it's about. So let's welcome
to the show, doll. How are you good?

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Oh my pleasure. First, before we get into a new song,
I just want to say your cover that you did
of Smoke on the Water is absolutely killer. I kinda
I kind of got like a doom metal vibe.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
Yeah, there is a bit of doom metal. Definitely down
tune quite a bit. I think it's down to into
like see a drop c Yeah, I know, absolutely a
bit of a doom vibe for sure.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
So that was pretty cool. But shark Bait, now you
know what I love about that? Okay. So I love
the movie Jaws, as I know you guys do. So
I have a trivia question for you, okay, and I'll
give you a hint. I'm from New Jersey originally. Okay,

(32:24):
So that movie is not based on Long Island. Do
you know what it's based on?

Speaker 7 (32:33):
Yeah? I heard that. I think it was filmed in Jersey.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Right, well it wasn't. I was filmed in Jersey. It's
actually a true story that they made fiction. It's not
about a great wait, it's actually about a bull shark.
And it was a bull shark that attacked a family
in the Manusquan River, not even in the ocean in
New Jersey.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Interesting, yeah know that?

Speaker 7 (33:00):
Yeah, I guess right.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
It's the ocean.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
We were swimming up in the in the lake and
over here in Canada, Ontario, and there's like big snakes,
black snakes in the water, like whoa, these big black
cobra snakes. And the first time I saw this, I
was like, oh my god, we're out there on a
paddle board.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
I was like, yeah, yeah, you know what. Speaking of
paddle boards, last week, I was paddleboarding right where I live.
And I sometimes I'll do to escape the world, especially after,
you know, I go on tour and I do coverage
at music festivals, so I like to come home and
just go out in the middy ocean and just chow

(33:40):
away from the whole world, you know. And so I
paddled out real deep on the horizon. I just was
hanging out on the board, just sitting there, and I
looked down and there were like five bull sharks that
swam right under me. And I was like, Okay, maybe
it's time to go in now. But they didn't even
know noticed me. It was like they just swam right

(34:02):
under me.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Wow, I didn't know that there was that many over there.
You wouldn't expect that, right.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Well, I live in Florida now and we have more
shark attacks than anywhere in the world. It's it's known
for that. Like there's up north of me, New Smyrna
Beach is known as like the most shark attacks anywhere
in the world.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
On the regular trull too.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
When we were in Florida, I was like crocs everywhere.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Yeah, well you probably saw the alligators. Yeah there are
crocs too, but they're in like South South. But yeah,
but the alligators are kind of chill. Like when you're
not from an alligator area like I wasn't when I
moved here, it kind of freaks you out. But now
I know I could just walk right by them and
they don't even acknowledge you're there.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You know.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
Yeah, no, for sure as someone from Canada and you
don't see that every day.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
No, no, But in the same to I'm not running
into a Kodiak bear either, or a big brown bear
or anything like that. So you know, it's funny how
that works. Like, well, I was in Jersey, you know,
I hate it. When I came here, I was like,
oh my god, aligers. But now I'm here, I'm like

(35:17):
welder or a lot more wild animals up there that
I was worried about too. So it just doesn't matter
where you are.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
There's wildlife everywhere.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Exactly, and hopefully we keep it that way to be honest. Okay,
so tell us about this new single, Shark Bait and
why you guys are so into Jaws that you made
a song that references that story.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
Yeah. No, obviously, big fans of the music of the movie.
And it's cool. It's a fifty the anniversary the summer
coincides really well. You know, we just kind of started
off with like a fun kind of hardcore type of riff,
you know, like we love a lot of the new
bands coming out, like Scowl and what you know, I
mean on the Sniffers and and and Gel and things

(36:03):
like that. So we and then I don't know, like
it just all came together very quickly, and it was
like wanted to do something catching quick with with the
chorus the shark bait, and we're like, let's just go
with this theme and you know, make it super fun
and you know funny, and when we we've got a
music video coming out for it. Uh and it's the

(36:24):
probably the dumbest music video.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
That but those are usually the best ones. I mean
ones like.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
You know, homemade just just ridiculousness. Uh, you know, like
we got play with sharks and Barbie dolls and and
it's just it's just ridiculous. So it kind of embodies
the song is just is just fun.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
I love that, but and I also love like there's
also another take on it, like with everything going on
in the world the way it is right now, it's
very appropriate because we are definitely swimming in a world
of sharks right now. Yeah, you know, so I like
it all kind of comes together. It would be kind

(37:08):
of cool. Maybe if you got you went out for
the next video paddle boarding and encountered to shark.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, that would be something. I have to take
it to the ocean right like here where we are
very kind of central central, so we just have lakes
and stuff, and the most that we see is big snakes. Yeah,
that would be something.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
I would probably freak out more about the snakes and
sharks man because like I would see that thing, I'd
be like, oh crap, and they can They're really faster and.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
Wow, they were faster than we were, Like they just
like zip by us. Okay, that is okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
So I was paddle boarding up near Orlando area and uh,
I was with my daughter and her husband and they
were way behind me, and then all of a sudden
I saw something like, hey, guys, don't get too far
from me. There was an otter chasing me.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Oh okay, well it was I could deal with that.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
It was pretty cool to be honest. And ignorance is
bliss because after it happened, I'm like Google and I'm like, oh,
I guess I'm pretty lucky because apparently they're not. They're
very territorial and they will come and like knock you
off your power boy, and they could be very vicious.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Really I hadn't.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
This one was just cruising like this, you know, and
like just pass right by me, flying by me. I
thought it was pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Yeah, they're super They're extremely fast and you see them
at the zoos all the time, and you're like, oh,
these are so cute. I never knew that they were.
They could get aggressive because they don't put out that vibe.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Yeah, you know, wild animals. You never know. I'm looking
at thinking, oh, how cute. You know so but uh
so what you also have the album dropping or in
two days. Yeah, that's cool to tell us about the
rest of the album.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
Yeah, so six songs coming out on Friday. It's gonna
be everywhere, like on Spotify and all that stuff. And
it is a little bit you know again, like we
we have been together as a band for quite some
time and we you know, we're in a little bit
of a hiatus. And and the rest of the songs,
you know again, like I myself, I love a wide

(39:26):
range of music, right, Like I like your hardcore, your doom,
your punk, your pop, whatever, right, I just pretty much
like it all. And and this song, I hopefully, folks,
we hope people like it. There's you know, a song
that's a little bit more, you know, a little bit
more on the hard rock side. We've got you know,
a shark Bait that's a little bit more hardcore. Smoke

(39:48):
on the Water that's a little bit more Doom, got
some stuff that's a little bit more shoegaze, and then
you know, maybe one or two kind of like slower
indie rock, all rock kind of ballad. So it's a
little bit definitely not all just one genre.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
And I love that people like it. Yeah, I love
that because so first of all, I hate the whole
genre thing as a metal head and punk from way back,
it's like before it was just metal or punk or
just rock, and now it's like it's almost like every
band has to have its own genre or so many

(40:24):
subgenres and micro genres, and then you have to be
stuck to this like formula for whatever it is. And
I think that's bullshit for an artist. Like to me,
an artist is going to express themselves any way that
it feels, not because it has to be to a genre.
And I think, especially nowadays, like so many artists do

(40:45):
sound the same because of that, you know, they use
this like equation to make music. That I love artists
like you that just take a mishmash of everything and
just do what they feel exactly right.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
And that's kind of what we did with our first
two albums as well, right, Like it's we were never
really fit in a category, right, Like we we've played
with you know, Hailstorm, and we've played with Jenny Torturers,
and we played with Lacuna Coil and then we've played
with like, you know, Spinnerette. Like it was all over
the place. People never knew, like what kind of band
are you?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Right?

Speaker 5 (41:17):
So we're I love it though you're not.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
At least we don't have to be like, oh, well,
you know, or just like punk rock band, like let's
you're right, like we can kind of go anywhere because
people expect that from us.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
We're hard to kind of well makes you stick out too,
like because you know, you don't have uniqueness Otherwise nowadays
there's like so many bands that you're lost in the
sea unless you're unique.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And it must be kind of boring, right,
like I kind of you know, you're in a I
don't know, thrash metal band and it's like, yeah, you gotta,
you gotta. This is what your fan expect from unique.
Every albums trying to make it fresh and it's difficult.
And then whenever you get out of that mold right
where some bands have tried to do that, the fans

(42:06):
are like.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Oh my god right, Well I was guilty of that
long time ago. To I got smart, Like you know,
when you're younger, you're stupid gatekeeper boll and It's funny
you mentioned thrash because I'm an old school thrash metal head.
So perfect example. I saw Metallica's first show ever, so
when Black Album came out, I'm like, fuck you posers,

(42:27):
like you sellouts, but now there's still my favorite band.
And like, as you get a little older, you start
to realize, Yeah, as an artist, it would be kind
of boring, you know, to stay a garage band number one,
and don't you want to get better at your craft?
Like you know, Hetfield talks about how the San Jose
Sharks you Seek and Destroy as a theme song, but

(42:50):
they use the original version. He's like, why I use
that version? My voice sucked then a munch much better
singer now and we have a newer version they could use.
Like I can see that, Like why would you want
to stay a beginner or an amateur or you know,
as you grow through the years, you're gonna get better

(43:10):
at the craft. And yeah, like Olie from Bringing Me
to Rise and said interview when they were giving so
much crap about how much they were changing their music.
He's like, why do I want to write the same
song over and over again?

Speaker 7 (43:23):
And then when you look back on and you're like,
oh my god, like that's that's the spirit is obviously
different album, but it's great and it's right melonic and
you could see the evolution, right, Okay, wow, I just
clean vocals now and there's this right, So I think
it always shocks folks a little bit at the beginning,
but then give it five ten years, I'm like, oh, yeah,

(43:44):
the Black Album is a great album.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Right right exactly, you know, And when you think about it,
it's like, well it was definitely much better musicianship and
much better songwriting and stuff like that. You know. But
when you're that loyal fan, and from the beginning, it's like,
we have a hard time letting you grow. It's kind
of like parents trying to let their kids grow up.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
Yeah, as individuals too, like we all are, our musical
tastes evolved too, right, Like I still love a lot
of stuff that I liked when I was a kid,
Like I was a big fan of the Ryde Girls,
and I still love l seven and Luna Chicks and
and all those bands too, but you know you kept
you again, like my kids are big into k POB.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Now I don't.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
Mind CAPOB, right, you kind of like aay, we you know,
we keep listening to a lot of this stuff and
you kind of start expanding your horizons a little bit
as well.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Totally one. Is there anything else you want to share
with the listeners about your music or anything you got
coming up in twenty twenty five?

Speaker 7 (44:48):
Yeah, no, we're just again very excited if you're releasing
the EP finally on Friday, you know, follow us on
you can be able to listen to it on Spotify
or all the the platforms usually go. And then you
keep an eye out for our very silly music video
shark Bait. I hope you like it and uh yeah,
no just uh just yeah, just looking for looking forward

(45:11):
to people to hearing it and commenting and letting us
know what they think.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Nice and how do they connect to you guys on
the web on socials and all that stuff.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
Yeah, we're everywhere, right, Like we're on Facebook, Instagram, all
band camp, all that good stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
YouTube.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
It's so hard to be a band nowadays. Like in
the old days, it was like you didn't have to
do all that work.

Speaker 7 (45:31):
Yeah, no, yeah, now you've got to be everywhere, right,
And they were like, should we be on TikTok? Nah,
I don't know, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
I think you should start maybe with this new video
because silly stuff works on TikTok.

Speaker 7 (45:45):
Yeah, maybe we'll be the shark dance.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Yeah exactly. You can start a whole trend. Look at that, yo, it.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Was really popular for baby sharks or who knows.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Yes, see it could happen. And look at what happens
to bring me a rise, and look at what happened.
Can you feel my heart? Like, what was it? Five
years later, all of a sudden, it's trending on TikTok,
So you just never know.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yes, sleep with Mac right, they had the big research
as well, just because of.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
A lot of them, no doubt. Well, you guys rock
and everybody needs to check out the new songs and
the new EP and two days, better days, different times,
And thanks a lot for giving us great music, and
thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipemin.

Speaker 7 (46:28):
Sounds good. Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Have a good one you too.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I'm w for Cui radio,

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