PipemanRadio Interviews Forbidden at Aftershock 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Forbidden at Aftershock 2025

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Aftershock 2025 Draws Record-Breaking Crowd Of Over 164,000 Fans, The Largest In The Festival’s History  

The West Coast’s Ultimate Rock, Punk & Metal Destination 115+ Bands • 4 Unforgettable Days • Fans From Every Corner of the Globe

Danny Wimmer Presents’ record-breaking 2025 festival season concluded October 2–5 with the largest Aftershock in history — drawing over 164,000 fans from all 50 states and more than 30 countries to Sacramento’s Discovery Park, generating an estimated $35 million in local economic impact.  

The West Coast’s biggest rock, punk, and metal festival reached new heights in 2025.

Debuting in 2025, Aftershock introduced several new fan-favorite experiences that elevated the  festival weekend to new heights. The Capitol Club offered an all-inclusive oasis with premium amenities and elevated views of the main stage, while Tremors Dive Bar kept the energy high with a pop-up set by  DJ Rock Feed with surprise guests My Darkest Days, and a special Sunday takeover by Sacramento’s own The Jungle Bird. Fans also discovered spontaneous performances at Beatbox and a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it speakeasy hidden beneath the underpass — each adding to the sense of discovery and excitement that defined this year’s festival.  

To celebrate DWP’s cultural and economic impact to the region, Sacramento Mayor Kevin McCarty, Senator Angelique Ashby, and Assemblymember Maggy Krell honored Danny Wimmer Presents with official recognitions from the City of Sacramento, the California State Senate, and the California State Assembly. The proclamation and resolutions celebrate Aftershock’s decade-long legacy, recognizing its profound cultural, economic, and charitable contributions to the Sacramento community and beyond, and highlighting how the festival has firmly established the city as a premier destination for live music in California.  

The 2026 dates for Aftershock will be announced in the coming months along with early bird tickets, allowing fans to lock-in lower level pricing and maximum payment plan options. Fans are encouraged to stay tuned to the festival’s official social media channels and AftershockFestival.com.

In addition to music performances, this year’s edition of Aftershock featured various partner onsite activations, award-winning beverages and delectable eats from partners including Animal Place, Astral Tequila, Beatbox Beverages, Black Shades, Blackcraft, Body Art Express, California Army National Guard, Coors Light, Don Julio, Eargasm, Freak On a Leash, Fxck Cancer, Golden State Cider, Hyatt Vacation Club, Jack Daniel's, Jeffree Star Cosmetics, Little Rocker Clothing, Mortus Viventi, Nowhere Fast, Parlor Root Beer, Red Bull, Sierra Nevada, Strüng, Take Me Home, The Pretty Cult, Tito's Handmade Vodka, To Write Love on Her Arms, Topo Chico Hard Seltzer, and Waterloo Sparkling Water.  

Aftershock is proud to partner with Visit Sacramento and is produced by Los Angeles-based Danny Wimmer Presents, one of the largest independent producers of destination music festivals in America.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey you love unto Yes, that's true. Wow, crare you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man
W fourcy Radio, and I'm here with.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Craig Lo Cicero and Chris Kantos now Forbidden.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Here at Aftershock.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And I don't know if you remember, but we did
a remote like in twenty three when the First reformed.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay, yeah, do we.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Do a like an online interview thing?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah right on yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
So yeah, I first want to talk about your patch
of that, like I noticed on your vest you cancer
fuck cancer man.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So that was really cool.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
We've all been affected by people that we know and
love that have had to battle it and most lose
the battle, some win the battle, some to live to
fight another day. Well yeah, this particular patch came from
our good friend Scott Chavez, who had a really bad
version of a spinal cancer down at the bottom and
he managed to get it all out and he beat it.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow. Yeah, that's great. It's always good to hear those stories.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Like, there's plenty of not good stories, so I love
to hear the good stories. So, now that's been a
couple of years and you're here Aftershock, how does it
feel doing this again and making new music and playing
live all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's really cool for me coming into the band, knowing
the band forever, knowing Craig forever, and then getting you know,
getting a shot to be part of that legacy is
really special and super cool to be involved in shit
like this. Thrash metal will never fucking die. It refuses
to die. You can't kick that horse enough. And it's

(01:57):
just great to be out playing the reception. But still
it still shocks us a little bit where you know,
I mean, we're like, whoa, They fucking are into it,
you know, right on, and that's really cool playing tall
the young kids. The amount of women that are in
the scene now we came up in the Sausage Fast
days and now that gate is just smashed down and

(02:18):
it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I think some of the women are more badass.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
More badass than the fucking guys, right, They're way more
committed and sometimes just way more intense about it, and
that's beautiful to see.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
That's a whole other subject and it's absolutely true.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
It's definitely the turning of the key, as they say, right,
you know. The flip side of the coin is women
have become a more dominant in a lot of ways,
and men still are fighting for their little dominance like children.
I know, right, like powerful women rule. We both have
powerful We're both with powerful women, so we fucking know.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
And I have a shirt that my door bought me.
She said, you can't scare me. I have free daughters.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Chris, Chris and I are lifers.
We've been with our women for you. He's up coming
up on forty. And while we were teenagers. We were
both teenagers.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I love hearing that because that's also rare in your industry,
and rare are just in general.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
So man, testament to you guys shouldn't be that big
a deal, should it.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
It shouldn't should be easy testament women, Yeah, I know exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It should be freaking easy.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And you guys are my role models for that because
I'm fucking divorced twice, the.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Horrible role models. Bro don't do that, So you didn't
talk about anything else.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
We do it, as you can tell. I am a
thrashmallow head from way back.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
This is wow? Is that your high school one? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
It started in eighty one. Slayer didn't even have a
patch yet, so I did this. Yeah, yeah, Velvet Iron odds,
the old Exodus logo. Yeah great, sure, Cryptic Slaughter, very
nice excel. So you're a crossover guy, Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Venom patch dude, this is one of the old photo
Venom patches.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Right, it's right now by experience that Chronos would not
be happy that he's being shopped in half.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't. I think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And look at that what's left of the Metallica path.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Dude, that's the Jumping the Fire one right.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so fike.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
You gotta got a little repeat down there and Jumping
the fire too.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I got it all over wow.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Right, But so what happened to is like my I
grew up in Jersey and my dad in nineteen eighty
moved me to LA and I went.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
To Slayers first show. Went from Riot to Slayer I know, right.
Riot was a great band, man, and I went to Metallica.
The best bad album covers you'll ever see. Oh yeah,
they are, that's worst.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh you know what's funny too that I have that
one on vinyl.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Amazing record, dude.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Not many people know about that band, and it's a shape.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
I just watched their set.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I just watched their set last night from Hell's Heroes.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yeah, their most recent set.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh I love that. I love that. Yeah, that's your background.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Let me say how privilege you should feel that I
passed up going.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Over there to sit with you and man earlier.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Though, I wasn't so nice because I was heading over
to your set and then I had to sit down
with Exodus, So like everybody screwing me over to.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, evidently we're passing it up to so we're all
in this together.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
But I like that it's the background for your interview,
like it could be.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Worth it's my it's my boy, Paul, And I'll just
say that, what's great. I'm gonna I'm just gonna blow
your mind. So everyone's got origin stories, right, Yeah, So
Paul's origin story is like it's sorted and forbidden because
he took over for his cousin. But the first time
I saw him play drums ever, he was in a
cover band playing. I went to a hall in Niles

(06:00):
and he was wearing red span X with no shirt on,
playing Born to Be.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Wild and singings wow and singing.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Really, he's a heavy metal thunder like not a singer,
but I could tell he was a fucking great rock drummer.
He didn't wasn't the hip to the thrash metal at all.
He was not hip to thrash metal till the day
I played him Slayer basically, and there you go.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
But it's all funny.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
The full circle works right and total, and it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
And what's so funny about it's like saying that somebody
wasn't into it. Doesn't fucking matter. Your entury is your entury.
Like we all hear something, you like it, you gravitate
towards it.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Like in those days it was the beginning.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
So yeah, it's great to see Paul and see him
still out there fucking getting to deliver his dream, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
And it's so funny too that talking about origin stories.
I was at that first Metallica show ever, and after
it was over, I did I was like thirteen.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
He's talking about the first one up in New York
or the first one in La oh okay in La
thank you and comes off the stage and starts talking
to me, hands me a business card and it said
Metallica Power Metal.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Dave mustain because there was no thrash genre.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, right, and then you Bay Area people that you
stole Metallica from us, you stole Slayer from us, and
then me and Mike bro had the hitchhike up to
the Bay Area to go to shows because we were
left with nothing.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's all about Cliff Burton, right, fuck you guys moved
from LA, moved to the Bay But.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's truecause I was telling La.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Let's see, I'm like, oh, this is badass until I
went to the Bay Area. See, I'm like, oh my god, Yeah,
now this is the real fun.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
There's just something here, something in the water, like a
New York bagel, right right, It's just it's there's a
pure proving ground here. We didn't if you sucked, you sucked,
and you got booed and tee beet and coins thrown
at you, and you collected the right data that night, right,
go home and you fucking wood shed and come back
a badass, or you fucking fade away. And you know,

(08:06):
and we were just talking about this, like, yeah, the bar,
the bar is on the ground now and back then
the bar was way too high to get. So that's
why you had so many young bands like Death Angel.
Fucking Andy Gallion is eleven years old in Death Angel.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Right back then, I didn't even know that.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Yeah, dude, he's eleven.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
He drink a half a tall Boy and be smashed,
like you drank a bottle of jack and and you
had Paul Bayloff like exciting us all, you know, and
like you had the fucking Slay Team right that would
like go up on stage and turn your amp off
and go.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You're done, right.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And what it did was it polished the scene. It
it put everybody on bolster, like you gotta fucking kill it,
you know. And that's how you end up with a
technical ass band like Forbidden putting out two albums back
to back in their teens and early twenties. Like the
the table was set and you had to meet that.
And that's special about the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
You can watch Murder in the front Row and you see.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
All those jerseys. Oh, it's like home movies to me.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, it's like a bible that that documentary rules.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I could watch it like every day, like it breaks
movies that that Murder in the front Row.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I was just talking.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
About cars original cartoon home movies.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh yeah, I've I interviewed too, and then I was
totally into Dark Angels, so I saw gene hell Fast
interviewed him. I'm like, hey, you recognize that logo, but
I was listening to your new music. I'm like, oh
my fucking god, like it's almost better than ever and

(09:42):
faster and and it's funny you were talking about album
covers before, don't wind up singles. I look, if you
look at the small album cover like on Apple or Spotify,
I'm like, it looks like a Grateful Dead album. Like
you know what I'm talking about. It like has this
cool look to it, but well it's.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
A blue and the red skull, which we we made
the mistake of veering off course for a while, not
paying attention to what our fans really identify with, because
a lot of bands missed the mark visually. It's not
their fault, but they don't have something they stumbled across
that's there, like Eddie, right, we had ours. So but
every album cover you see of ours, and if you
really look at it, it's full of symbolism on so

(10:24):
many fucking levels that it's best not to explain it,
because it's best if you just look at it.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
And really start figuring it out.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
And divided by zero has got so many things going
on in that as you're probably talking about that one, yeah,
and even the new one. There's something going on in
both of the They're not just what they look like,
they're what they represent on a lot of subliminal harmonic levels.
Like there's just different pieces of what's the how did
I put that earlier?

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Today?

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Like we're kind of dealing in the subconscious or on
a collective conscious thing right now.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's a nice lane to be in.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
And you know what I love is like I always
I'm in artists that can put out new music at
this stage because you're not that teenager with the teenage
angst or that speak for yourself. I know, right I am.
I'll be in the pit after this interview. I gotta
run out and go in the pit after this interview.

(11:18):
But it's like, it amazes me that you can still
write music that is relative and that the kids.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
The kids liking bands like Forbidden like blows my mind
because when we were kids, I don't think we would
have ever gone to see a sixty year old Metallica
the type of thing, and that's what's cool today is
like I've brought my kids into their first mash bit,
and I've brought my grandkids into their first mash bit.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, if you can get if you can get your
old fans to come, that's great. But I've always said
since I was a youth that fucking metal and rock
is a youth movement, right, So you have to go
there first, no matter how old you are.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
You have to be pushing.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Your shit to them, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
They keep it hot, they keep it on fire, and
you have to be that fuel.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
And so, like I was just you were saying about
the teenage angst and everything, Dude, I'm still super fucking
pissed off about a lot of fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
We have a lot of shit to be pissed off about,
right exactly.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And then just life in general, right, like cancer, right,
And like I come from the punk scene, a hardcore scene, right,
so I don't have a lot of shock in all
right now where we are in the world, right, I've
been putting this where we are right now on album
cover since I was fifteen years old. So don't come
to me with the shock and awe. How did we
get here? Well, motherfucker you've had blinders on right right,

(12:46):
like wake the fuck up like that.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
It fucking amazes me that some songs from the eighties,
all you would have to do is substitute names and
the song is still relevant today, which fucking blows mind.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
You could do that from songs the eighteen eighties if
you really go back that far. And it's it's just things. Obviously,
taste change and everything like that. But just getting back
to what you're saying about for us and the kids
and all this, there is a philosophy we took into
recording and the writing and everything that we're not going
to overanalyze, nor are we going to overproduce. Everything's going

(13:21):
to be on the edge and not too clean. And
I think that there's a relating factor. That's why kids
go back to the old shit. They might like new bands,
but ask them if they're listening to Ex's new band
over and over again, or if they're listening to Ex's
old band or old album over and over again, right,
because they're listening to the old album.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
And it's not just because the songs, it's because the
approach that was taken. It was on high wire. It
was done without a net. Everything was fucking different were
it was new. So you can record that way now,
and we're doing that even in digitally. You can just
lay your track and walk away, not lay your track.
Fuck with the fuck with the fucking that make it perfect,

(14:02):
Lay another shark, fuck with the fuck with the.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Headphones.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
You know something I something that scared the shit out
of me when pro Tools came out. I went to
watch my friend's band record and the engineer and the
producer said, hey, guys, just play for vibe.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
We'll fix it after.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
And I'm sitting here thinking, poor Richie Vallens take sixty
seven for La Bumba right, you know what I mean?
Poor poor fucking everybody that recorded with Phil Spector with
a gun to their head, you know what I mean.
It's like, play the vibe, no play and do it.

(14:38):
You know something that's cool about pro tools or whatever.
It's like, sure, if you fucking scrub a roll and
the engineer says you didn't intend to do that, let's
fix that.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Did you hear where I missed that kick drump pattern? Okay,
but like to use it across the board as a
total fucking fixed package. I think it strips life, it
strips the audio painting off of.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
It, it strips musicians, shit.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
It takes it all away and it becomes homogenized.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
And if people want to do that, that's cool whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
But for us, warts, bumps, scars, hair, crooked eye one
foot longer than the other.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
All that shit's part of it, man.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And I what I love about thrash metal in particular
is I see a lot of new bands today and
they use like it. It's almost like an algebraic equation
to create metal music. But you take all the fresh bands,
there were similarities, but none of you sounded the same, like.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You were all unique.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
We were talking about that you segued into a nice one.
So we were talking about that, like every soda company
doesn't just have one brand of soda, right right, And
I think that Forbidden is absolutely a unique flavor amongst
the flavors, and all of us are, but there are
There was, and it went on for a long time
and people that weren't really catching it when they were

(16:03):
doing it, but there was a lot of like I
think everyone was trying to kind of follow metallic version
of how did they succeed? Well, maybe if we do.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
It like that, or produce it like that or like that,
those days I hope are long on the other or
with us.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
I don't want to sound an I don't ab but
mixes with it for anything else. When somebody tells me,
why don't you check it out with this, I'm like, oh, thanks.
I want it to sound good to what I wanted
to sound good to, no doubt, and it will sound
like us in the end exactly, and that that transfer.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
That Wait, hold on, I'm not saying I don't listen
to shit.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I love new shit.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
What I don't do is go, maybe we could be
a little more like that, right, I just won't.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
I won't ever catch myself doing that.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
And that's what makes you unique, because it's just like
with me. It's like I don't listen to other radio
shows because I don't want to pick anything up from there.
I just want to be me and it's human nature.
If you start listening this shit, you're gonna pick it up.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
And I even realize it, and I would rather it
be all me totally.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I do this before we start writing or before we record,
I will start listening to like Nigerian rock and saw
some music and stuff, and if I'm gonna pick anything
and drag anything to the session, I'm gonna bring it
from there. Like I stopped listening to metal for that
time period just because I don't want to fucking be all.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Enamored with Mario from Gadjira and all of a sudden
be going.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
The second times second right, you know, just cuz right,
So it can it sings into you and you don't
even know what's happening. Sometimes as a musician, you know
it'll take your buddy going. You know, you just copped
that right, and you're like, ah, look, so yeah, it's
a distancing right total, which can be safe.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
It's a fine line of being aware of yourself and
not being aware at all. Right, it's like riding a
perfect wave, dude, Like, don't over listen, but don't not
pay attention, but don't just try to find your lane
and just kind of stay in it. And Forbidden's lane
is always we move all around, you know, like so
we have a little more wiggle room to try things.
And another thing we did on this record that we're

(18:04):
in the process of doing is recording a lot of
songs tuned with the guitars that are standard e tuning
because we did it in the past and it was heavy,
it was cool, right, why can't we do it now?
So we're doing some songs that way, and it's been
a wonderful. Everything you heard if you heard us today,
which you might have missed us, but everything you heard
today was all standard tuning. Nobody knows the fucking difference.

(18:25):
But it just feels more alive, right, And you don't
know how to define it. You don't know how to like.
You maybe can't put your finger on it. But something
just seems more like it used to be.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And now you also bummed me out because I live
in South Florida now and we had a hurricane coming
and Wednesday, well it's leaving to come here.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I looked out my window.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I'm like, fuck, there's waves for the first time this summer,
and I gotta get on a plane.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Oh because I surf. Look at my logo.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
So the pipe man cometh there, it is there, It
is so and man, yeah, your new music is so
badass or the rest of the song's gonna be as
good as the ones I've.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Heard so far.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
They are awful.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I know that the new song they suck.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
The rest of the songs suck.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, only those we shot our load. I can't wait
to not hear what we're gonna do next, right, And
that it's a difference too.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Like I remember back in the day, you listen to
a whole album and pretty much every song was good,
if not all of them. Nowadays, because they're selling that
track track track mentally, one song will be good and
the rest is just filler.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
A lot of times we.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Are bred on all killer, no filler, or kids that
grew up on long play FM radio, full sides of records.
I can't get out of the fucking car if in
the Light is playing by led Zeppelin, it's against the
rules to get out of the car. Right at Donnie's
Sleep by Slayer is playing, I'm still that way right.

(19:56):
So yeah, a long play record is when someone tells
you I listened to your whole album. For me, that's
like a spike right in the fucking.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Door out pow, thank you.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
That is a huge compliment for me when someone says
I can listen to your whole album, right, because we're
in seven seconds of tension.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Span now right, oh, no doubt?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And so if that right, I think they've just they
just I think they've just readjusted it right. So if
you can get that now you're winning on a big level.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We think als back when we didn't know what music
sound like, we saw an album, ooh, that looks cool
for me. I would go to OZ Records and there
was this store clerk there that kept feeding me albums.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Like check this out.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
It was Brian Slagel, fucking brilliant. Like that's why he
started Metal Blade. I told him a couple of years ago,
you were fucking brilliant. He's like, that was just a
record store clerk. But that which which is true. He's
being honestly.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
He says that he just likes what he likes, and
luckily he likes what he likes, and then we end
up liking it too, and so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
I think our goal is just to kind of put
a fine point on all of this is our our
goal is to make things that actually, if.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
There is a world in a few years, well.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
You could dig it up in a fucking time capsule
and go b oh, yeah, yeah that was that.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
That was that year. That was what it felt like
in those days. That was what.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
So there's gonna be no filler. It's gonna be all
songs that we put everything into, all we got. And
if you can't tell we put everything into those two
songs we put out already, then.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Some people don't know. It's okay.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
It's not for everybody, but it's for anyone that's got
an open mind and an open heart and an open soul,
like ready to absorb what the collective conscience has given
us and given you.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And remember we used to sit there and buy the album,
and because we had to spend money on it, we
listened over and over and over again, and read all
the lyrics, looked at all the alls. Will Carroll from
Death Agel right there, Yeah you shit gave him the
bike and so you know, and you read all and
looked at all the artwork, read everything you got, kiss

(21:57):
Army on there. I remember getting love gun just so
I could get then in the album.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
We are both used kiss fans.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I can't tell you how long I stared, see right,
I stared, of course, I stared at Kiss uses Gibson
guitars and Pearl drums exclusively.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Like to me, that was like, what the.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Fuck I mean? They get that shit?

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah? You know what I mean, like the liner notes.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh, listen, my first album I ever owned, I weren't
one on the boardwalk at the Jersey Shore. It was
in seventy three or seventy four, whenever this album came
out and had these albums up there. I won and
I looked up and it was these four dudes, and
I'm like, holy fuck. It was the first Kiss album
when it first came out, and I.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Won it at the boardwalk And that's why I'm here
today from that album.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
And you mentioned Pearl like you made me smile because
I played drums for like nine years. I sucked, but
I always loved Pearl drums because of Peter Cris be.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Be be Beck. He was a student of warm up.
The other night I was, Oh, Peter Chris drum solo.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
In the microphone.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Nice Peter quth.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean I started Shock the ever rehearsal probably ten
times a night.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, a lot more big Kiss fan, but we I
hate to be we gotta wrap it up because we
had one more than we have people waiting for us.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, totally that I was gonna wrap it up. So
is that right?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Great?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
You ask good questions? Bright?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Is AtheOS you want to share with the listeners before
we do wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
We gotta We got a show coming up at the
Great American Music Hall on November twenty ninth with neck
Rod Cultural Warfare and unpassing a really killer death thrash
up and coming band of youngsters that's gonna be a
great show and working on a new album that's gonna
come out in twenty six at some point.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Got some great touring coming up.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
And life is good man, and just be civil people
treat each other a little better.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Does not blow up the world. I thought it was
gonna blow up. It didn't. Let's stop. Yeah twenty eight,
no doubt.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah, be better because you never know when a giant
commet is gonna come and wipe your whole solar system
off the fucking out of his elliptical orbit.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
They just never know. Oh you don't be good.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm glad you're here at After Shock. You guys are
badass still and always.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
And thanks for being on the Adventures pipe Man. Thank
you man. This is Craig, This is Chris. We are
from before and.

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