April 26, 2023 • 41 mins
Bosnian hiker, ski tourist, high-altitude mountaineer, rock climber, and alpinist, Aida Starčević comes from Bugojno, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Sarajevo. In 2014, Aida was named B&H’s most successful female alpinist by the Sarajevo School of Mountaineering, becoming the first woman in the history of alpinism there to climb the Pallavicini route. And, once again in 2020, by the Mountaineering Association of B&H for her ascent of Aconcagua, coincidentally, setting the female altitude record there.
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Good evening. It's Wednesday, Apriltwenty six, twenty twenty three. We
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let's just say I'll be driving thisship solo. So let's let's see if
I can't make a train record onmyself. Hey one, what is your
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wealthy same thing people live in Floridathere, And what is the West Palm
Beach? Right? That's correct.Yeah, I'm here in West Palm Beach,
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South Florida, and our weather todayis eighty six degrees Fahey, nice
and Sonny, and you're getting atan. I'm sure I love them.
Yeah, I'm working from the beachtoday. So are you really? Are
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you're standing what you're selling sea shellsor something like that. Right, Make
sure you know I speaking of beingunder the way. I'm telling you I
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that because it's been all day.So yeah, sweating profusely. Let's hope
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pursuing joy through paddle Sports. Tonight'sepisode is Mountaineering in Bosnia with our special
guest, Aida Starchevich, Bosnian hiker, ski tourist, high altitude and mountaineer,
rock climber and alpinist. Aida Starchevichcomes from Bogoigno, a small town
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near the capital city of Bosnia andHerzegovina, Sarajevo. In addition to mountains
in the surrounding area and on theBalkan Peninsula, Aida has climbed the highest
peaks in Europe in South America.In addition to high altitude descents of mont
Blanc France, albrus Russia, Bisco, Peru and Accagua, Argentina. She
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has completed various climbs our alpinist climbsin Bosnia and Herzegovina as well as the
Alps. In twenty fourteen, Aidawas named Bosnia and Herzegovina most successful female
alpinist by the Sarajevo School of MountaineerMountaineering, becoming the first woman in history
of alpinism there to climb the Pallavaccini, which is an alpine route on gross
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Glockner in the Alps, and againin twenty twenty by the Mountaineering Association of
Bosnia. And here's a Gavina forher ascent of a Cocagua, Acogagua.
I think that's right, coincidentally settlingsetting the female altitude record there. In
addition to alpine climbs in Bosnia,and here's a Gavina. Croatia and Europe.
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Sports climbing is another one of Ada'spassions, having climbed hundreds of sports
roots of various difficulties. One ofher most notable achievements is the longest sports
route in Croatia, a six hundredmeter and that is a nineteen hundred and
sixty eight feet rock climb. Inwith that, welcome to the show,
either, thank you, good eveningall out of these people, so the
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people in America and Bosniana. Broom, I really like your pronunciation, and
man I butchered a couple of those. It's accague or cocagna, and I
read like a third grader, SoI apologize for that. Okay, how
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are you doing this evening? Prettygood? As I can mention that it
is the midnight right now in thismoment, and it's twelve degrees in Bosnia,
but it's okay, It's okay,I could manage. Wow. Yeah,
as you finished this interview, I'llgo to sleep. You will be
drinking any coffee that I'm taking.Well, thank you for staying up with
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us to be on the We reallyreally appreciate that. By the way,
what is your weather there in Basia? Oh, it's pretty raining right now.
We are seeking for the sun,but we hope that we will find
it in a few days, butit's still raining. Yeah. What did
you say it was like before theshow twenty it's like twelve degrees? Was
a twelve degree degrees? So yeah, salius degrees? Yeah, we were
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on ten or twelve Salesians de prease. Yeah, I said, we are
waiting for the sun all that lookslike it's about fifty two degrees here or
something like that. Fifty maybe fiftyfour or fifty two. I've told you
bad. That's that's about the weatherwe're having here. So I'll just stay
very similar. Well, very good. Well listen. First thing I'm gonna
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ask you is how did you getstarted mountaineering? No, let mege I
somehow gradually discover hiking in my adventure. I start at the beginning. I
start with an easy walk, andeventually it turned out at sleeping on a
rock at six hundred meters or sleepingin a tent at six thousand meters,
which is I think twenty thousand feetsleeping sleeping in a tent. Yeah,
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as I can say, I graduallypushed my limits, and whenever, depending
on how I was feeling at thatmoment, I've done some things. So
after fifteen years pushing my limits,here I am mountain. As I can
say, I'm I want to bein a mountain more than ever and spend
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some time and looking for the newadventure. Maybe the sentence what would people
say here in Boston has a governor, is you can do it. That's
only for men that you're not madefor that, and maybe that that's what
pushed me to go every step furtherbecause of the motivation. I wanted to
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have that moment, but I didn't. And of course what is unique with
the mountaineering is that when you arein the mountain, you are alone with
with the mountain. You are youcan depend only on yourself um abilities.
Uh and and uh. It actuallyawakens that existential fear, which which can
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lead you to the basic principle oflife. So it means you you if
you don't know, you can survive. So maybe maybe that thing I can
say. You know, I haveto tell you, guy, I wish
Maya were here because she would loveexactly everything you just said. So yes,
I saw some pictures and some videosof her and I saw that she
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she knows, she actually do therock climbing and she's in the mountain.
But who knows. Maybe next time, maybe she will come to Bosnia.
Yeah, you know, I'm justthinking about that. We're talking about doing
a European tour at some point withthe show, and we would love the
great because we have really good climbingspots. We will talk about it later.
I feel like that would be great, as I wanted to say how
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I started, As I said,I started with an easy climb, easy
walk, and then I start hiking, then mountaineering. Then I started start
doing the rock climbing, then skitouring, and then it all ended up
with altanism. So if you combinesome of these activities, it's really nice,
it's really pleasure to do, know, the some of these things in
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the mountains, you know, sothat it really involves a lot of equipment.
When you're where you're doing skiing,you're doing climbing, and although that
would require quite a bit of equipmentto take with you mountaineering, is that
right? According to the to thetrip we take, there are different types
of trips. Uh, there aresome winter and summer summer chips, and
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during the winter we have to bringmuch more equipment than during the summer because
the summer, uh, we haveto be it actually it requires only maybe
physical physical fitness, et cetera.But there are, as I said,
the different types of hiking chips.So it could be for rock climbing when
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you don't have to wear a lotof things, or when you go on
expeditional style of climbing and then youhave to bring everything which means you have
to bring a tent um, allof the equipm and all the personal and
technical equipment, water, food,gas, stole and everything that at that
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point. That that was when I, for example, climback concaba Um.
That expeditional style lasted for twenty days. Uh. And we have to bring
everything I need that we all needduring during the ascent, during those days
and everything. So as I said, there are different types of of chips.
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If you want hunting, we justbring our backpacks, just some some
food and that's it. But ifyou're going for a few days, like
like ski touring, um, thenwe need to bring almost everything. Yeah.
And I'm just going to ask youthat when when you're bringing this stuff,
you're not pulling it on a ona sled or anything. This is
all on your back, am Iright? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
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wow. I we practice. ActuallyI go to gym and practice, and
whenever I go to the to themountain, even though if I don't have
to wear my heavy rock stuck,I put some things in it just to
practice myself, just work on myshoulders. I love it. I love
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it. Yeah, because you know, I'm just thinking about this and I'm
picturing you doing these sense and uhyou know the way the time with all
your gear and the backpack and skisand and whatnot, and um, you
gotta be in shape. And youdon't just do it. You don't just
sit around eating uh you know eatingUm, I don't know what eskimo pies
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and and and and just jump outand do on these You gotta train.
I would imagine right um, mountaineeringand uh life in mountain that that actually
become my lifestyle. That's the wayhow I wanted to finish my life with.
And as I said, it's it'sactually my lifestyle. So if during
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the summer I go mostly to therock climbing trips, and I have to
be as light as I quote,So sometimes I don't eat four I don't
know, twenty four hours or thoseare that fasting that are maybe at this
moment popular. So I want tolose my weight during the winter, I
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can gain maybe two kilos or somethinglike that. But I really think of
all the things what I eat,YEA healthy you know. I go to
the gym. Actually I don't goto gym. I practice at my home.
I have most of these gears thatI would use in gym. I
have it in my home. Sothat's that's how I combine. I'm cooking
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a dinner for my kids and doingthe training and then go to run up
and then go to climbing and asI said, combined coordinated effort there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'mgonna go back to something we were just
talking about this. You mentioned theskiing um and I was just doing a
lover certain how are because we talkedabout this before, touring skis, how
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are these different from cross country skisand of course downhill skis. What's the
big difference there? Touring skis actuallyis really similar to back country skis.
Actually I google it. Actually that'sthat's almost European term for back country skis.
So we we have downhill that's outbinestein on a pist. Back country
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skis it's something that you do onoff ski off pists, So which means
that you don't go use ski onunmarked or unpatrolled area. You don't use
a ski actually you're doing outdoor outof the ski resorts. You don't use
skiing for any kind of transports.Yeah, you just walk. But in
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a term of equipment, it requireslightweighted woods, which is connected to the
ski only at the toe, soso they call it free hill. That
free hill allow skier, yes,that he can go uphill on the flat
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terrain and also downhill. You justswitch the mode from the uphill or downhill,
so you can move your hill.You can walk just to walk on
on the flat terrain and you climbup the hill. And also there is
there are actually the skins that youput on your skis that you couldn't slide
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down. And then you get andyou with all of those equipment, with
the frak sack and everything, yougo up to the mountain to the top.
You just switch it to the differentmound and then ski down to the
from the top. So you know, I've learned something here. I had
no idea that they made skis likethat. Of course I'm not a skier,
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and I did try at one timedownhill and I swore I'd never do
it again. And I'll tell youthat's that's an interesting uh sounding ski that
you can climb up. Of courseyour heel is free, and that you
won't slide back down when you're whenyou're climbing. That is so interesting.
I love you. Yeah, that'sand you're also always doing it on on
groomed terrain. So actually the skitouring was involved by those who seeking a
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new adventure and new snow alpannies whowanted to you know, raise their edge
and adrenaline to the to the highlevel. Uh so ye, well listen
though, before we take a break, I'm gonna ask you real quickly here
because there's a lot of stuff Iwant to cover with you. Um tell
us about the climbing and mountaineering communitythey're in bousing. What's it like m
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climbing like like rock crime? Doyou mean or generally mountaineering basically, yeah,
just a community in general. Imean, is it a big community?
Is there a lot of people thatdo this? Is it actually busting
a hexa? Governor's a really smallcountry. There are three and a half
million of people here, but wehave really nice community of mountaineers and rock
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climbing. If we say about rockclimbing, there are maybe I don't know
a few hundreds of the climbers,but we all stick together. We talk,
we exchange the information, we tryto make a new climbing area and
et cetera. But also, asI said, in the mountaineering community,
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there are also a really group.Those are actually the different types of people,
you know. I have my crewfor ski touring, I have my
crew for rock climbing, for mountaineering, for those things when we go to
the expeditions. But it is small, small community, but it's really healthy.
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And it sounds like the camping inPertling community here in the Unity,
and those are really nice people andit's great at Lisa. I believe it's
just great to be a part ofa community like and it's a small community
here, but people are really genuineand they're nice, and it sounds like
that's the way it is over thereas well. Right. Yeah. I
think that people when they go tothe mountain, because of that hormone serotonin,
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I think they become happy when theyachieve achieve the top. That that's
actually a combination of mental and physicalachievement, because you have to push your
effort to climb to the mountain,but the sense of achievement that you manage
to do something. I think thecombination of that. I have actually won
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a sentence I can quote you thatwas that's really familiar here in Europe because
it's written by the Slovenian mountaineer whodied on Manassel, and he said,
I will put it. He whoseeks a goal will remain empty when he
reaches it, and he who willfind a way will always carry that goal
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with himself. It means if youare looking or seeking for the goal,
um, you won't be happy whenyou reach it, but if you enjoy
the whole way on your the journeyas we say, oh journey. Yes
that yeah, that was written byNates is applotting that Slovenian mountain who died
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on Manasslo. But we used thatsentence. What a great saying, right,
that's an awesome say. Yeah.All right, well listen, when
we come back, we're gonna talkto you. We're gonna ask you about
the process thereof and how you manageduring the trip, and we'll talk about
that we came back. So yep, we'll be back with more, right
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here with eight star javich On Outdoors. People later, when you're climbing mountains,
where do you sleep? And I'msure, I know it's an a
tent at least observed, but howdo you prepare meals? I mean,
it's super windy when you're climbing amountain, I'm sure, how does that
work? And it's not quite flatwhen you're pitching a tent? I'm sure?
Or is it? Wow? Sometimesactually we sleep in a tent.
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Sometimes we sleep in a mountain huts. Depends on what kind of track we
do. If if it's a skitouring, sometimes we sleep in a tent
or in a mountain hut, orif we go to that expeditional way,
that's always in a tent. ButI also had some Twice I had that
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opportunity to sleep on a rock duringduring our ascent to the top because we
couldn't manage to finish it in awall day. We just stick to the
anchor and to that boat and weslapped on the rock. Actually we didn't
sleep, We just hanging there.But at least we survived. But during
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during the climbing the mountains, whenwe sleep in the tent, actually,
as I said, we have tobring all of the equipment with us on
our backs. So when we forexample, god ski touring, we go
up to the mountain, to thatmountain, uh, the top and then
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slide it down and then go tofor example, mountain Hot and then uh
we we cook. If we don'thave water, we cook the snow,
which yeah we do Internet Google.So actually during the prey on Praine first
and Saddles are the waste expensive ofthe big mountains here in Bosnia. It
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is there are not so high aroundtwo thousand meters, but there can let
you to to feel that mountain spirit. And we cook, as I said,
we cook the things that we have. Don't eat much because you have
to continue your adventure tomorrow. Umthat's it, you know real quickly,
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for I got another question. I'mwhen I asked about this, but the
discussion has been raised that somehow snowmelted snow taste taste, has a taste
to it other than just what regularwater would have. Any truth to that,
Um, it is different than theregular water. It is like when
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you drink water, you can feelthat there is some mineral there are some
minerals in it, and I don'tknow that the decombination that's in the regular
water. But when you drink snow, it's something just without flavor, it's
something. Yeah, it is actuallydifferent. You can you get to it.
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But I put some vitamins in it, so we can change it.
Changed the color, maybe it becomesweet with sugar and that that's interesting.
Yeah, So what is your what'sbeen your longest track? I mean,
how many days to the top ofa mountain and then what was that altitude?
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Actually that that was the reason Igot the price, Uh, that
Mountaineering Association gave me. That gaveme that that was a una, of
course it was okay, Yeah,that was it was the track in one
way, it is around fifty kilometers. It's around thirty miles one day to
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the top, and from the topto the base again it's another another thirty
miles. So it's a sixty milesin twenty days. Wow, and twenty
days you did that? Yeah,yeah, but there is that's an expeditional
style because I mentioned that there aredifferent styles of climbing. So it means
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that we start from the base.We need to go we need to go
higher. We get to the wehave two accommization camps, so we need
to acclimate acclimate ourselves ourselves. Itmeans that we have to adjust our body
to the lack of oxygen. Yetas we get higher, the air is
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thinner and it's much harder to breedall of the things that we do.
It's much more challenging and complicating thanwhen we do it at the base.
So sleeping at two accommization we actuallyslept talking about that. Volcaco slept in
the two acommendation camp. Then weget to the base camp. That's that's
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the beginning, the starting point ofevery expedition, and there we have organized
food, water and everything. Wespend their I don't know, maybe two
or three days, and then wego to the first and second high altitude
comps that maybe moves dangerous part ofthe expedition. We slept one night at
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one camp one then in Camp twoand then we go to that ascent to
the summit and get down. Sothat's the actually way of how we do
those high mountains. Yeah yeah,Well listen, we're going to take a
quick break again and when we comeback, we're going to look at some
photos that you sent us and somevideo. We're gonna look at some video
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right, let's we got some videoslined up or queued up as it were.
Let's take a look at those firstand then we'll take a look at
some photos. Those are some coolskis. I have to say. That's
great. Okay, now we've gotsome photos and you can tell us what
we're looking at here for each ofthese photos, ain't here Oh okay,
I just okay, Yeah, that'sthe climbing gear. Yah in dread.
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That's heat segonna one of the popularroots. That's drough climbing, of course.
Yeah. Nice, Yeah, that'sit's the climbing area here in Boo
going on. That's my local area. And that was shooting video video tissue.
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I recognize that. Sure. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah,
those were the pictures for you.Oh that's amazing. I appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah, that's also tuations. You can see you can see
that the combination of those that beautifulnature. There's a river Narrativa passing by,
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and that that's the area of forclimbing and which is really connected to
the civilization. But still it's ina nature it is not It could be
something crowds sometimes crowded, but it'snot your tiny little speck on there and
I could see you. But yeah, just killed me. What is this
we're looking at? I love thisby the way. Yeah, that's the
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way when you know all of thetechniques when you climb the rug that that's
the easiest to move. That that'snot something that it's scary my mind.
When my mom saw it, shewas screaming for ten days. But I
couldn't love it. I describe itthat it is not actually scary at all,
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but she couldn't believe me. Ofcourse, of course, but she's
your mother. She's gonna, youknow, naturally go away. Yeah,
I love it. That's a greatphoto, by the way, Yeah,
thank you. That's the ice climbingthat year here in Bostny. It was
around minus thirty degrees. I'm notsure how many fahrenheits, but I think
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something maybe I don't know how,I don't want to guess. And it
was everything was frozen, so weeach every water that we can find in
the nature was frozen so we coulddo the ice climbing. But we we've
done it that year, and that'sit. We haven't done it since then.
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We need to go somewhere else.Well, I can tell you it
negative twenty nine celsius is negative twentyfahrenheit, so that oh yeah, yeah,
that's that's cool. But that wasonly one year. I'm not sure,
maybe seven years ago something like that. Yeah, that's that's the top
of a concaga. I didn't mentionthat the top of a bay is six
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thousand, nine hundred and sixty twometers or twenty two thousand, eight hundred
and fifty Yes, I converted.Hey, I think that makes you the
Queen of mountaineering. Is that safeto say? I wouldn't say. I
wouldn't say. There are so manymountains in the world I could do climb,
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but we're going to give you thattitle on this show. How's that?
Yeah, ok, yeah, that'sthe that's one small climbing area.
We were bolting it. That thatmeans that we put those bolts in it
that we can climb. It's inprel that's glam which also Bosnia. Also
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Bosnia. I mean Boston has agovernor as one country, but geographically it's
divided on Boston has a governor,so Hesgovnia is much more warmer, but
Bosnia is it's not so warm.If you want to ski, you go
to Bosnia. If you want toclimb, you go to has a governor.
Okay, well, nice, um, that's the Ada Mondra, that's
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the best climber in the world.And that's my little boy. Yeah yeah,
and he's your that's your son rightthere, that's my son. Yes,
he was when he was a little. Now he's a big boy.
And we wanted to see Adam Mondres. I said he's the best climber.
And that's the moment we met him. He was really nice person and he
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as as we mentioned the lord thoseclimbing areas in Bosnia, he visited Canyne
tes No that's National Geographical also madethe picture of it, so it means
there's there are two cliffs, uhand and you they put the high line
on it and the people climbed thereand you can see the river and the
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main road there and it's really magnificentto you. And Adamantre came there and
he bolted the first nine a plusthe route and he of course climbed the
day after that. And I don'tthink that had that and anyone had again,
Wow, that's amazing, that's amazing. Here's a check. He's a
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check climber, checks like yeah,now, this is scary. This What
did your mother say about a picturelike that? I'm not there. I
don't do that. That's a NationalGeographic picture I've I was telling you about
that. That's the main road andthe river verbas and there are two cliffs
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and it's they combined. I thinkthat's the longest. I couldn't say that's
the longest in the whole world thathighlight, but it is really one of
the longest in the world. I'mnot sure, maybe five hundred meters or
something like that. And that's thefamous picture that National Geographic do for their
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I don't know one one magazine.Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well they
ask you, you know, becauseto me, that looks scary. What
is the scariest thing that you've experiencedwhile on a mountaineering adventure? There were
many many things which were I couldsay funny, but not so scary.
I wouldn't say that it's so scary, but I have a little story when
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I was climbing with my partner herein our local area like area it climbing
area. It is really close tothe town. It's only I think five
miles from the town and from thefirst village, which is really populated two
and a half miles. We wereclimbing there and then we climbed we are
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tied with a rope, and Iwas laying him as we were alone.
We were really quiet. At onemoment my partner told me put me down,
there's a bear down there. Ithought I couldn't understand him correctly,
or he repeated once again. Ilowered him down, and I didn't know
what's happening. We turned around andon the pad we saw two small beer
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cups a pet. But we wereclimbing in the there are some different sectors
on that area. They were climbingin a cave. So on the pad
in front of us there were twobear cups and beside us there was a
big rocke, so we couldn't moveanywhere. But we weren't, of course,
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aid of those those little beers.But we know that the mother is
some mother, yes, and thatthat was the most danger that we were
afraid of. And at one momentI was standing there and I was thinking,
oh my god, is this isthis the end? And I'm like
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this. We know we have todo something, so we we took some
some stones and we were throwing butnot hitting. We just throwing it nicely
and politely. But those cups wewere just hopping and coming towards us that
they were looking around. There wassuch an incident. Actually wanted to just
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play catch with them with those rosor something. They wanted to play with
us, and they were throwing thosestones and they just moved a bit from
that pad. We ran from thatcave to the car breathlessly. We we
done, I think in a fewseconds. We didn't see the mother.
And we have actually a record thata couple of times bear come to that
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climbing area, but has never Wehave never had any any things that that
animals will attacked people. They justmoved. They are really hospitable. So
if people want to come to Bosniato our climbing area, they should know
that we have really hospitable violent youhave nice, polite bears there. I
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like it. Yes, that wasthe scariest moment in my climbing career.
Well that's a too as long asit turned out. Well, that's you
know, that's all good. RightYeah, Well, Lada, where can
people go to file you on socialmedia? M h well, um,
as I said, I want toactually first promote my beautiful country. Because
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we are a small country, wehave a lot of untouched nature, We
have a lot of mountain hikes,said time being and just just to to
to see those maybe towns. Butif people so follow me on social media,
they can see some interesting stories fromthe mountains. They can see some
different techniques of doing some climb inthe mountains. But maybe maybe learn some
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tricks trips from from those I don'tknow chips or at least can see the
beauty of my country. Yeah,it is a beautiful country for a fact.
Yeah, yes, well, Ada, I'll tell you what we know.
And I have to thank you publiclyhere thanks for being patient with me.
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Um we I think we've talked forWe talked started talking about a year
ago about having you on the show, and you're very patient with me and
us, and I want to thankyou for your patients and we finally got
you other show, and I'm soglad we did because I'm really glad that
I could manage to be a partof your show. And I'm actually,
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as I said at the beginning,I'm really pleased that that you realize that
I could be a good guests atyour show. As I said, I
want I want to show my countrybecause we are really small, and I
wanted to show my lifestyle, myuh, you know the way I spend
my time and later absolutely thou.Yeah, you have a beautiful country and
(40:30):
you're a wonderful lady and um enoughto tell you what you bring with you,
As we saw in the promos tothat you bring with you a huge
fan club, so that it's veryimpressive, very impressive. I appreciate that.
La listen, thank you for beingour guest on the Outdoors People Show.
Was a pleasure having you here withthis is evening. Thank you,
Thank you too. And I wouldjust tell people come to Bostia, visit
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us. You won't regret whoever cometo Bosnia. He returned it again.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I would certainly agree with that.
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Yeah, I'm working from the beachtoday. So are you really? Are
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pursuing joy through paddle Sports. Tonight'sepisode is Mountaineering in Bosnia with our special
guest, Aida Starchevich, Bosnian hiker, ski tourist, high altitude and mountaineer,
rock climber and alpinist. Aida Starchevichcomes from Bogoigno, a small town
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near the capital city of Bosnia andHerzegovina, Sarajevo. In addition to mountains
in the surrounding area and on theBalkan Peninsula, Aida has climbed the highest
peaks in Europe in South America.In addition to high altitude descents of mont
Blanc France, albrus Russia, Bisco, Peru and Accagua, Argentina. She
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has completed various climbs our alpinist climbsin Bosnia and Herzegovina as well as the
Alps. In twenty fourteen, Aidawas named Bosnia and Herzegovina most successful female
alpinist by the Sarajevo School of MountaineerMountaineering, becoming the first woman in history
of alpinism there to climb the Pallavaccini, which is an alpine route on gross
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Glockner in the Alps, and againin twenty twenty by the Mountaineering Association of
Bosnia. And here's a Gavina forher ascent of a Cocagua, Acogagua.
I think that's right, coincidentally settlingsetting the female altitude record there. In
addition to alpine climbs in Bosnia,and here's a Gavina. Croatia and Europe.
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Sports climbing is another one of Ada'spassions, having climbed hundreds of sports
roots of various difficulties. One ofher most notable achievements is the longest sports
route in Croatia, a six hundredmeter and that is a nineteen hundred and
sixty eight feet rock climb. Inwith that, welcome to the show,
either, thank you, good eveningall out of these people, so the
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people in America and Bosniana. Broom, I really like your pronunciation, and
man I butchered a couple of those. It's accague or cocagna, and I
read like a third grader, SoI apologize for that. Okay, how
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are you doing this evening? Prettygood? As I can mention that it
is the midnight right now in thismoment, and it's twelve degrees in Bosnia,
but it's okay, It's okay,I could manage. Wow. Yeah,
as you finished this interview, I'llgo to sleep. You will be
drinking any coffee that I'm taking.Well, thank you for staying up with
(05:32):
us to be on the We reallyreally appreciate that. By the way,
what is your weather there in Basia? Oh, it's pretty raining right now.
We are seeking for the sun,but we hope that we will find
it in a few days, butit's still raining. Yeah. What did
you say it was like before theshow twenty it's like twelve degrees? Was
a twelve degree degrees? So yeah, salius degrees? Yeah, we were
(05:53):
on ten or twelve Salesians de prease. Yeah, I said, we are
waiting for the sun all that lookslike it's about fifty two degrees here or
something like that. Fifty maybe fiftyfour or fifty two. I've told you
bad. That's that's about the weatherwe're having here. So I'll just stay
very similar. Well, very good. Well listen. First thing I'm gonna
(06:13):
ask you is how did you getstarted mountaineering? No, let mege I
somehow gradually discover hiking in my adventure. I start at the beginning. I
start with an easy walk, andeventually it turned out at sleeping on a
rock at six hundred meters or sleepingin a tent at six thousand meters,
which is I think twenty thousand feetsleeping sleeping in a tent. Yeah,
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as I can say, I graduallypushed my limits, and whenever, depending
on how I was feeling at thatmoment, I've done some things. So
after fifteen years pushing my limits,here I am mountain. As I can
say, I'm I want to bein a mountain more than ever and spend
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some time and looking for the newadventure. Maybe the sentence what would people
say here in Boston has a governor, is you can do it. That's
only for men that you're not madefor that, and maybe that that's what
pushed me to go every step furtherbecause of the motivation. I wanted to
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have that moment, but I didn't. And of course what is unique with
the mountaineering is that when you arein the mountain, you are alone with
with the mountain. You are youcan depend only on yourself um abilities.
Uh and and uh. It actuallyawakens that existential fear, which which can
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lead you to the basic principle oflife. So it means you you if
you don't know, you can survive. So maybe maybe that thing I can
say. You know, I haveto tell you, guy, I wish
Maya were here because she would loveexactly everything you just said. So yes,
I saw some pictures and some videosof her and I saw that she
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she knows, she actually do therock climbing and she's in the mountain.
But who knows. Maybe next time, maybe she will come to Bosnia.
Yeah, you know, I'm justthinking about that. We're talking about doing
a European tour at some point withthe show, and we would love the
great because we have really good climbingspots. We will talk about it later.
I feel like that would be great, as I wanted to say how
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I started, As I said,I started with an easy climb, easy
walk, and then I start hiking, then mountaineering. Then I started start
doing the rock climbing, then skitouring, and then it all ended up
with altanism. So if you combinesome of these activities, it's really nice,
it's really pleasure to do, know, the some of these things in
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the mountains, you know, sothat it really involves a lot of equipment.
When you're where you're doing skiing,you're doing climbing, and although that
would require quite a bit of equipmentto take with you mountaineering, is that
right? According to the to thetrip we take, there are different types
of trips. Uh, there aresome winter and summer summer chips, and
(09:24):
during the winter we have to bringmuch more equipment than during the summer because
the summer, uh, we haveto be it actually it requires only maybe
physical physical fitness, et cetera.But there are, as I said,
the different types of hiking chips.So it could be for rock climbing when
(09:46):
you don't have to wear a lotof things, or when you go on
expeditional style of climbing and then youhave to bring everything which means you have
to bring a tent um, allof the equipm and all the personal and
technical equipment, water, food,gas, stole and everything that at that
(10:07):
point. That that was when I, for example, climback concaba Um.
That expeditional style lasted for twenty days. Uh. And we have to bring
everything I need that we all needduring during the ascent, during those days
and everything. So as I said, there are different types of of chips.
(10:28):
If you want hunting, we justbring our backpacks, just some some
food and that's it. But ifyou're going for a few days, like
like ski touring, um, thenwe need to bring almost everything. Yeah.
And I'm just going to ask youthat when when you're bringing this stuff,
you're not pulling it on a ona sled or anything. This is
all on your back, am Iright? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
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wow. I we practice. ActuallyI go to gym and practice, and
whenever I go to the to themountain, even though if I don't have
to wear my heavy rock stuck,I put some things in it just to
practice myself, just work on myshoulders. I love it. I love
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it. Yeah, because you know, I'm just thinking about this and I'm
picturing you doing these sense and uhyou know the way the time with all
your gear and the backpack and skisand and whatnot, and um, you
gotta be in shape. And youdon't just do it. You don't just
sit around eating uh you know eatingUm, I don't know what eskimo pies
(11:31):
and and and and just jump outand do on these You gotta train.
I would imagine right um, mountaineeringand uh life in mountain that that actually
become my lifestyle. That's the wayhow I wanted to finish my life with.
And as I said, it's it'sactually my lifestyle. So if during
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the summer I go mostly to therock climbing trips, and I have to
be as light as I quote,So sometimes I don't eat four I don't
know, twenty four hours or thoseare that fasting that are maybe at this
moment popular. So I want tolose my weight during the winter, I
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can gain maybe two kilos or somethinglike that. But I really think of
all the things what I eat,YEA healthy you know. I go to
the gym. Actually I don't goto gym. I practice at my home.
I have most of these gears thatI would use in gym. I
have it in my home. Sothat's that's how I combine. I'm cooking
(12:43):
a dinner for my kids and doingthe training and then go to run up
and then go to climbing and asI said, combined coordinated effort there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'mgonna go back to something we were just
talking about this. You mentioned theskiing um and I was just doing a
lover certain how are because we talkedabout this before, touring skis, how
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are these different from cross country skisand of course downhill skis. What's the
big difference there? Touring skis actuallyis really similar to back country skis.
Actually I google it. Actually that'sthat's almost European term for back country skis.
So we we have downhill that's outbinestein on a pist. Back country
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skis it's something that you do onoff ski off pists, So which means
that you don't go use ski onunmarked or unpatrolled area. You don't use
a ski actually you're doing outdoor outof the ski resorts. You don't use
skiing for any kind of transports.Yeah, you just walk. But in
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a term of equipment, it requireslightweighted woods, which is connected to the
ski only at the toe, soso they call it free hill. That
free hill allow skier, yes,that he can go uphill on the flat
(14:13):
terrain and also downhill. You justswitch the mode from the uphill or downhill,
so you can move your hill.You can walk just to walk on
on the flat terrain and you climbup the hill. And also there is
there are actually the skins that youput on your skis that you couldn't slide
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down. And then you get andyou with all of those equipment, with
the frak sack and everything, yougo up to the mountain to the top.
You just switch it to the differentmound and then ski down to the
from the top. So you know, I've learned something here. I had
no idea that they made skis likethat. Of course I'm not a skier,
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and I did try at one timedownhill and I swore I'd never do
it again. And I'll tell youthat's that's an interesting uh sounding ski that
you can climb up. Of courseyour heel is free, and that you
won't slide back down when you're whenyou're climbing. That is so interesting.
I love you. Yeah, that'sand you're also always doing it on on
groomed terrain. So actually the skitouring was involved by those who seeking a
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new adventure and new snow alpannies whowanted to you know, raise their edge
and adrenaline to the to the highlevel. Uh so ye, well listen
though, before we take a break, I'm gonna ask you real quickly here
because there's a lot of stuff Iwant to cover with you. Um tell
us about the climbing and mountaineering communitythey're in bousing. What's it like m
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climbing like like rock crime? Doyou mean or generally mountaineering basically, yeah,
just a community in general. Imean, is it a big community?
Is there a lot of people thatdo this? Is it actually busting
a hexa? Governor's a really smallcountry. There are three and a half
million of people here, but wehave really nice community of mountaineers and rock
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climbing. If we say about rockclimbing, there are maybe I don't know
a few hundreds of the climbers,but we all stick together. We talk,
we exchange the information, we tryto make a new climbing area and
et cetera. But also, asI said, in the mountaineering community,
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there are also a really group.Those are actually the different types of people,
you know. I have my crewfor ski touring, I have my
crew for rock climbing, for mountaineering, for those things when we go to
the expeditions. But it is small, small community, but it's really healthy.
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And it sounds like the camping inPertling community here in the Unity,
and those are really nice people andit's great at Lisa. I believe it's
just great to be a part ofa community like and it's a small community
here, but people are really genuineand they're nice, and it sounds like
that's the way it is over thereas well. Right. Yeah. I
think that people when they go tothe mountain, because of that hormone serotonin,
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I think they become happy when theyachieve achieve the top. That that's
actually a combination of mental and physicalachievement, because you have to push your
effort to climb to the mountain,but the sense of achievement that you manage
to do something. I think thecombination of that. I have actually won
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a sentence I can quote you thatwas that's really familiar here in Europe because
it's written by the Slovenian mountaineer whodied on Manassel, and he said,
I will put it. He whoseeks a goal will remain empty when he
reaches it, and he who willfind a way will always carry that goal
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with himself. It means if youare looking or seeking for the goal,
um, you won't be happy whenyou reach it, but if you enjoy
the whole way on your the journeyas we say, oh journey. Yes
that yeah, that was written byNates is applotting that Slovenian mountain who died
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on Manasslo. But we used thatsentence. What a great saying, right,
that's an awesome say. Yeah.All right, well listen, when
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here with eight star javich On Outdoors. People later, when you're climbing mountains,
where do you sleep? And I'msure, I know it's an a
tent at least observed, but howdo you prepare meals? I mean,
it's super windy when you're climbing amountain, I'm sure, how does that
work? And it's not quite flatwhen you're pitching a tent? I'm sure?
Or is it? Wow? Sometimesactually we sleep in a tent.
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Sometimes we sleep in a mountain huts. Depends on what kind of track we
do. If if it's a skitouring, sometimes we sleep in a tent
or in a mountain hut, orif we go to that expeditional way,
that's always in a tent. ButI also had some Twice I had that
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opportunity to sleep on a rock duringduring our ascent to the top because we
couldn't manage to finish it in awall day. We just stick to the
anchor and to that boat and weslapped on the rock. Actually we didn't
sleep, We just hanging there.But at least we survived. But during
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during the climbing the mountains, whenwe sleep in the tent, actually,
as I said, we have tobring all of the equipment with us on
our backs. So when we forexample, god ski touring, we go
up to the mountain, to thatmountain, uh, the top and then
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slide it down and then go tofor example, mountain Hot and then uh
we we cook. If we don'thave water, we cook the snow,
which yeah we do Internet Google.So actually during the prey on Praine first
and Saddles are the waste expensive ofthe big mountains here in Bosnia. It
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is there are not so high aroundtwo thousand meters, but there can let
you to to feel that mountain spirit. And we cook, as I said,
we cook the things that we have. Don't eat much because you have
to continue your adventure tomorrow. Umthat's it, you know real quickly,
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for I got another question. I'mwhen I asked about this, but the
discussion has been raised that somehow snowmelted snow taste taste, has a taste
to it other than just what regularwater would have. Any truth to that,
Um, it is different than theregular water. It is like when
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you drink water, you can feelthat there is some mineral there are some
minerals in it, and I don'tknow that the decombination that's in the regular
water. But when you drink snow, it's something just without flavor, it's
something. Yeah, it is actuallydifferent. You can you get to it.
(24:11):
But I put some vitamins in it, so we can change it.
Changed the color, maybe it becomesweet with sugar and that that's interesting.
Yeah, So what is your what'sbeen your longest track? I mean,
how many days to the top ofa mountain and then what was that altitude?
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Actually that that was the reason Igot the price, Uh, that
Mountaineering Association gave me. That gaveme that that was a una, of
course it was okay, Yeah,that was it was the track in one
way, it is around fifty kilometers. It's around thirty miles one day to
(24:56):
the top, and from the topto the base again it's another another thirty
miles. So it's a sixty milesin twenty days. Wow, and twenty
days you did that? Yeah,yeah, but there is that's an expeditional
style because I mentioned that there aredifferent styles of climbing. So it means
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that we start from the base.We need to go we need to go
higher. We get to the wehave two accommization camps, so we need
to acclimate acclimate ourselves ourselves. Itmeans that we have to adjust our body
to the lack of oxygen. Yetas we get higher, the air is
(25:42):
thinner and it's much harder to breedall of the things that we do.
It's much more challenging and complicating thanwhen we do it at the base.
So sleeping at two accommization we actuallyslept talking about that. Volcaco slept in
the two acommendation camp. Then weget to the base camp. That's that's
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the beginning, the starting point ofevery expedition, and there we have organized
food, water and everything. Wespend their I don't know, maybe two
or three days, and then wego to the first and second high altitude
comps that maybe moves dangerous part ofthe expedition. We slept one night at
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one camp one then in Camp twoand then we go to that ascent to
the summit and get down. Sothat's the actually way of how we do
those high mountains. Yeah yeah,Well listen, we're going to take a
quick break again and when we comeback, we're going to look at some
photos that you sent us and somevideo. We're gonna look at some video
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right, let's we got some videoslined up or queued up as it were.
Let's take a look at those firstand then we'll take a look at
some photos. Those are some coolskis. I have to say. That's
great. Okay, now we've gotsome photos and you can tell us what
we're looking at here for each ofthese photos, ain't here Oh okay,
I just okay, Yeah, that'sthe climbing gear. Yah in dread.
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That's heat segonna one of the popularroots. That's drough climbing, of course.
Yeah. Nice, Yeah, that'sit's the climbing area here in Boo
going on. That's my local area. And that was shooting video video tissue.
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I recognize that. Sure. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah,
those were the pictures for you.Oh that's amazing. I appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah, that's also tuations. You can see you can see
that the combination of those that beautifulnature. There's a river Narrativa passing by,
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and that that's the area of forclimbing and which is really connected to
the civilization. But still it's ina nature it is not It could be
something crowds sometimes crowded, but it'snot your tiny little speck on there and
I could see you. But yeah, just killed me. What is this
we're looking at? I love thisby the way. Yeah, that's the
(30:56):
way when you know all of thetechniques when you climb the rug that that's
the easiest to move. That that'snot something that it's scary my mind.
When my mom saw it, shewas screaming for ten days. But I
couldn't love it. I describe itthat it is not actually scary at all,
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but she couldn't believe me. Ofcourse, of course, but she's
your mother. She's gonna, youknow, naturally go away. Yeah,
I love it. That's a greatphoto, by the way, Yeah,
thank you. That's the ice climbingthat year here in Bostny. It was
around minus thirty degrees. I'm notsure how many fahrenheits, but I think
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something maybe I don't know how,I don't want to guess. And it
was everything was frozen, so weeach every water that we can find in
the nature was frozen so we coulddo the ice climbing. But we we've
done it that year, and that'sit. We haven't done it since then.
(32:05):
We need to go somewhere else.Well, I can tell you it
negative twenty nine celsius is negative twentyfahrenheit, so that oh yeah, yeah,
that's that's cool. But that wasonly one year. I'm not sure,
maybe seven years ago something like that. Yeah, that's that's the top
of a concaga. I didn't mentionthat the top of a bay is six
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thousand, nine hundred and sixty twometers or twenty two thousand, eight hundred
and fifty Yes, I converted.Hey, I think that makes you the
Queen of mountaineering. Is that safeto say? I wouldn't say. I
wouldn't say. There are so manymountains in the world I could do climb,
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but we're going to give you thattitle on this show. How's that?
Yeah, ok, yeah, that'sthe that's one small climbing area.
We were bolting it. That thatmeans that we put those bolts in it
that we can climb. It's inprel that's glam which also Bosnia. Also
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Bosnia. I mean Boston has agovernor as one country, but geographically it's
divided on Boston has a governor,so Hesgovnia is much more warmer, but
Bosnia is it's not so warm.If you want to ski, you go
to Bosnia. If you want toclimb, you go to has a governor.
Okay, well, nice, um, that's the Ada Mondra, that's
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the best climber in the world.And that's my little boy. Yeah yeah,
and he's your that's your son rightthere, that's my son. Yes,
he was when he was a little. Now he's a big boy.
And we wanted to see Adam Mondres. I said he's the best climber.
And that's the moment we met him. He was really nice person and he
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as as we mentioned the lord thoseclimbing areas in Bosnia, he visited Canyne
tes No that's National Geographical also madethe picture of it, so it means
there's there are two cliffs, uhand and you they put the high line
on it and the people climbed thereand you can see the river and the
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main road there and it's really magnificentto you. And Adamantre came there and
he bolted the first nine a plusthe route and he of course climbed the
day after that. And I don'tthink that had that and anyone had again,
Wow, that's amazing, that's amazing. Here's a check. He's a
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check climber, checks like yeah,now, this is scary. This What
did your mother say about a picturelike that? I'm not there. I
don't do that. That's a NationalGeographic picture I've I was telling you about
that. That's the main road andthe river verbas and there are two cliffs
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and it's they combined. I thinkthat's the longest. I couldn't say that's
the longest in the whole world thathighlight, but it is really one of
the longest in the world. I'mnot sure, maybe five hundred meters or
something like that. And that's thefamous picture that National Geographic do for their
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I don't know one one magazine.Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well they
ask you, you know, becauseto me, that looks scary. What
is the scariest thing that you've experiencedwhile on a mountaineering adventure? There were
many many things which were I couldsay funny, but not so scary.
I wouldn't say that it's so scary, but I have a little story when
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I was climbing with my partner herein our local area like area it climbing
area. It is really close tothe town. It's only I think five
miles from the town and from thefirst village, which is really populated two
and a half miles. We wereclimbing there and then we climbed we are
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tied with a rope, and Iwas laying him as we were alone.
We were really quiet. At onemoment my partner told me put me down,
there's a bear down there. Ithought I couldn't understand him correctly,
or he repeated once again. Ilowered him down, and I didn't know
what's happening. We turned around andon the pad we saw two small beer
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cups a pet. But we wereclimbing in the there are some different sectors
on that area. They were climbingin a cave. So on the pad
in front of us there were twobear cups and beside us there was a
big rocke, so we couldn't moveanywhere. But we weren't, of course,
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aid of those those little beers.But we know that the mother is
some mother, yes, and thatthat was the most danger that we were
afraid of. And at one momentI was standing there and I was thinking,
oh my god, is this isthis the end? And I'm like
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this. We know we have todo something, so we we took some
some stones and we were throwing butnot hitting. We just throwing it nicely
and politely. But those cups wewere just hopping and coming towards us that
they were looking around. There wassuch an incident. Actually wanted to just
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play catch with them with those rosor something. They wanted to play with
us, and they were throwing thosestones and they just moved a bit from
that pad. We ran from thatcave to the car breathlessly. We we
done, I think in a fewseconds. We didn't see the mother.
And we have actually a record thata couple of times bear come to that
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climbing area, but has never Wehave never had any any things that that
animals will attacked people. They justmoved. They are really hospitable. So
if people want to come to Bosniato our climbing area, they should know
that we have really hospitable violent youhave nice, polite bears there. I
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like it. Yes, that wasthe scariest moment in my climbing career.
Well that's a too as long asit turned out. Well, that's you
know, that's all good. RightYeah, Well, Lada, where can
people go to file you on socialmedia? M h well, um,
as I said, I want toactually first promote my beautiful country. Because
(38:58):
we are a small country, wehave a lot of untouched nature, We
have a lot of mountain hikes,said time being and just just to to
to see those maybe towns. Butif people so follow me on social media,
they can see some interesting stories fromthe mountains. They can see some
different techniques of doing some climb inthe mountains. But maybe maybe learn some
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tricks trips from from those I don'tknow chips or at least can see the
beauty of my country. Yeah,it is a beautiful country for a fact.
Yeah, yes, well, Ada, I'll tell you what we know.
And I have to thank you publiclyhere thanks for being patient with me.
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Um we I think we've talked forWe talked started talking about a year
ago about having you on the show, and you're very patient with me and
us, and I want to thankyou for your patients and we finally got
you other show, and I'm soglad we did because I'm really glad that
I could manage to be a partof your show. And I'm actually,
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as I said at the beginning,I'm really pleased that that you realize that
I could be a good guests atyour show. As I said, I
want I want to show my countrybecause we are really small, and I
wanted to show my lifestyle, myuh, you know the way I spend
my time and later absolutely thou.Yeah, you have a beautiful country and
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you're a wonderful lady and um enoughto tell you what you bring with you,
As we saw in the promos tothat you bring with you a huge
fan club, so that it's veryimpressive, very impressive. I appreciate that.
La listen, thank you for beingour guest on the Outdoors People Show.
Was a pleasure having you here withthis is evening. Thank you,
Thank you too. And I wouldjust tell people come to Bostia, visit
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us. You won't regret whoever cometo Bosnia. He returned it again.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I would certainly agree with that.
Yeah. Oh. We'd also liketo thank each of our sponsors for bringing
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This is CW Gusts saying, havea great evening and thanks for tuning
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