Stephen Macht/Dee Wallace

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Gimme time, contective, give me, we don't want to know,

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give me, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hey, what's up? Everybody? Welcome to the Jimmy Star Show
with Ron Russell, bringing you the good times in music, fashion,
pop culture and entertainment. We want to welcome back our cool,
outrageous men about town, Ron Russell, Welcome back, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Well, it's good to be back because you know, I've
been ill for quite a while and nobody knows why.
Doctors don't know why, and one doctor said it's probably
from the COVID shot because he had a lot of
patients that have the similar symptoms that I have and
it's an aftermat of the COVID shot. If you don't

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get COVID and you took the shot, you may have
my symptoms, but if you have had COVID, you won't
have my symptoms. Anyway, we're not basing it on that.
We're still looking to see what it could be. There's
no cancer, there's no illness. They can't find a damn thing.
One test left, and that is a blood to see

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if I have something with my red and white cells.
But that could be cured with a shot once a month.
And if it's not that, and I don't know, but
I'm getting better on my own. I'm building up, I'm
gaining my weight back because I mean, I look like
an old Jewish woman. Look at me, look at the
old glass. Watch watch what I look like? Who do

(02:22):
I look like? Now? Oh? Anyway, I look like the
old lady that died, the old Jewish lady who older Julie.
What was her name?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh that's where I look Ruth something Ginsburg. No, no,
I forgot.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I forgot her name. But you know who she is.
She passed away recently.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was at fel that's her name.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
That's who I look like. I mean, I don't want
to look like her, so you know, I mean they
used to say I look like Tony Curtis. To go
from Tony Curtis Iris is a big jump.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Anyway, guys, we have a super spectacular show today. I'm
super excited. We have two fantastic guests. We have Steven
Mockt coming on. You guys will definitely recognize him when
you see him. He's been in everything and he's worked
with everybody and he's very, very cool. And then we
have Dee Wallace coming on. You guys know her from
four hundred and something movies, but she's the mom in

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et and so we have two superstar guests. I'm super
looking forward to it. We want to say hi. People
are starting to show up in the chat room. Hey Cindy,
Hey Stefan Veil. Thanks Cindy for putting out all the promos.
It's going to be a lot of fun. I want
to do a plug for myself real quick, because I'm
really getting into this whole book thing and I have
written a bunch of books over the years and I'm

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getting them all published. And next after we do mine,
we're gonna do ron Script and we're gonna publish it
as a book, and it's going to be coming out
in the next two or three weeks. But anyway, like always,
my pop goes to Collector book is still for sale
and it's on Amazon and Kendall format or in a
book format. You can also find out about it if

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you watch Collector's Corner with Jimmy Starr my Action Figure podcast.
So check it out. Silver Spies Trilogy, you guys. This
is about three senior citizens in their seventies who becomes
spies that saved the world. It's very good. There's three
stories in one. It's great. It's also on Amazon and
it's in a hardcover or kindle format. And then for
you for the younger audience, this is all about warlocks

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and it's called The Obsidian Circle. And I've been promoting
it a lot lately, and I have one more that
that got published, but I didn't get copies of the
book yet. They'll be here next week. So if you're
looking for good stuff to read, I'm actually setting up
an author website now just with the book stuff, and
that stays separate from all the other things, because I
do a lot of things. But I want to thank
everybody who's been buying the books. We've been selling a

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pretty lot of them, So thank you so much for
all the support. And I guess that's.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
It for that part.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I want to thank em Lady too for tuned into
all the shows the last couple of weeks without run too.
It's way more difficult to do a show by yourself
than it is with somebody.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, I THO without me bombed.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
No they didn't, Actually, yes they did.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
They bombed.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Last week's show got thirty thousand views on YouTube, which
is twenty thousand more than our normal showcase.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
You're so good You're not you know, I really can't
stand him. Sometimes he doesn't have enough time in the day.
He has to write books. Now he has to do everything.
There's something really wrong with this man. He's not human.
He's like weird. I think I've got an so here
i'll tell you. I'll explain it. So I'm getting older, No,

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you're getting crazy.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
And I need to have sources of income because I'm
not going to be able to run around on sets
forever and I'm not going to be able to do
all the things that I do to support myself, and
so I have to have other options. And so writing
the books is a way to generate income for me
as I'm older, because writing books, I can do it
till i'm well.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
But I'm eighty five. I'm not here for too much longer.
And when I croak, you'll have a lot of money. Well,
you know, so you knocking me off.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
No, I think we're going to live out your money,
so you don't have to worry about any of that. Also,
we want to say hi. The chat room starting to
fill up. Stefan bells in the chatroom, Hub reynolds, what's up.
I hope your happy wedding is going well and Mary
Life is treating you well. Sidney Ladylake has joined us
in the chat rooms. Hello, Hello, and Hub says that's
why he writes screenplays. So he's been writing screenplays, yes,

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which his screenplay is really good, you guys, and he's
looking for financing for that. Also, I still want to
thank everybody for tuning in to to the Jimmy Star
Show with Ron Russell. Here's the places that you can
hear us now. We're on buzz Sprout, Podbean, a Cast,
Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, SoundCloud, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon Music, YouTube, Google Podcasts, Radio, Public,

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tune In, and the Amazon Prime. We're also on about
another one hundred and fifty other ones, but like they're
like the ones that like probably the normal people don't
know anything about, so so I don't frme them up
because I don't even have a list of all of them.
Most people watch YouTube or listen to us on Apple
Podcasts or Spotify, so that's basically our biggest platforms. I
went soundclad and on SoundCloud. We get a lot of

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plays on sound plad. So thanks for checking us out
every week. It's been a it's a lot of fun.
We're enjoying doing it, and we're very happy and all
our audience and everything is happy to see Ron's back
and healthier.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm not better, I'm getting better. As I said, we
still don't know what's wrong. What caused this collapse of
everything interesting? You know what had happened to me in
the last six months.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's been This hasn't really been like A.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
I don't believe this show about higher ratings without me.
You lie a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
All you have to do is go on YouTube and
look at me while you make it up.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Because your show was crap until I came on it.
The minute I came on it with my crazy shit,
then it sort of went up to the top and
became number one show. So you know, you just like
to hurt my feeling. I would never have done that
to you.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I would ever said that the show was crappy without
me here. Twenty nine thousand views last week.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
But what about when I'm on the show? I mean
we get more than that when I'm on. No, we don't.
Oh we don't, So I make it less.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
No, I didn't say that, but that's what you're in fun.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Is we did good the two weeks that I was here.
The show did very well.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
On the show, we got tremendous Yes.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't. Depends on how
people people like our guests. Today's show is going to
get a zillion views because we have two great guests
and you're out of two of your crew and your back.
I'm back, So there you go, everybody. We're just playing
around you guys. For people who don't know who we are.
We're just having fun.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
We do this every week.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
We do it every week and people love it and
we have, you know, just for those listenings. So we've
been on the air for eighteen years and we're almost
at one point three billion streams of the show, you know,
on all the different platforms that I know.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I'm in the business since nineteen fifty nine when I'm
My first movie is an extra with Tappunter and Sophia
Loren and Tarepunter remained my friend for years. Tarepunter and
Jimmy's a novice in the business. I'm in the business
sixty five years, so I think I've done well in

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sixty five years to still be here.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Absolutely, and I'm not really a novice, like that's the
way I get.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
No.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
But you know, I lost my marbles due to this illness,
and I wasn't able to function with anything. I couldn't
use my computer, I couldn't make my breakfast. I was
a vegetable. And now I'm better. But if I lose
my mind a little bit in the show, please forgive me.
It's not that I'm bored or that I'm rude. It's

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just that my mind sometimes collapses and I go into
a freeze frame like this.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's not gonna happen today.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
No, I hope it doesn't happen today, but if it does,
please forgive me.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's right, you guys. So all is good. I think
we're we're going to bring on our first guests because
I'm super excited to have him. So let's go ahead
and bring on our first guest.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
One.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Hello, I send you in a while.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
You guys have something else. It's the odd couple.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now we are definitely the odd couple.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
I'm the sophisticated, wonderful one and he's the garbage one.
You know what it is.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's like, so I am a child of the eighties,
so all my friends were the stars of the eighties
and all his friends were like he was friends with
Betty Davis and no.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
No, no, my friends were legends and we're not. My
friends live today through film, people still watch.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
When Russell was his best friend.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
That's right, And people still watch Gentlemen prefer blawng like
it was brand new. And I told that to Jane.
I said, you know, the wonderful thing about being Jane
Russell is I said, after you're gone, people will still
know you. And she said, oh, Ron, they don't even
know me now, I said, Jane, they do. So we
went out to lunch. This was in Florida, and she

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sat down and she said, tell them, tell them. So
I told the waitress. I said, you know, this is
Jane Russell. But she said, oh, hello Jane, and Jane
fluked them in. She kicked me under the table. She said,
I told you nobody knows who I am anymore. So
it's a sin that the legends have faded away among

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the young today. But there are the young people who
love film and love history of film and watch all
of us old people.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
Lovely story. But also you are going to introduce me.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
We didn't. I jumped up.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'm sure he always jumps that's especially I'm rolling with it.
I'm not all there in the hand, all right, everybody,
Now we want to welcome to the Jimmy Star Show
with Ron Russell. I'm my favorite actors. I've seen almost
everything he's done. He's phenomenal. His name is Stephen Mocked. Hello,
and welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
It's so nice that you that you brought me on.
I really appreciate it. So it's great, and and it's
a live you're a lively group and so this should
be interesting. LB want to know what would you like
to know?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
First off? First of all, well you already kind of
met Ron before we came on. But this is my
cool outrageous Man about Town co host Ron Russell.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I was getting better from a crazy something that we
don't know what it is, but it caused memory loss
and dementia, I thought. I called Sophia, Loren Jake, and
I swore to my kid and Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I said, he had a reaction to he had certainknee
surgery and he had a reaction to being knocked out
and it really like messed him up badly.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
And I swore that. Sophia said to me, or Ron,
it was so nice here again, also one of.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
The ravages of age.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yes, this has nothing to do with the age.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, no, no, remember what we remember, how we remember
the memory phase? We're real, We're not real. I just
spent last night with a friend. You know him, Dan Laurier, Yes,
the actor, and he's.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Played having an email recently.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Just another day, which is about this very fact. Two
people meet on a park bench and they begin to
say once she says, he says to her, I slept
with you last night. She says, get off. You're such
a rotten person. I don't know who you are. As
the thing developed, you find that once upon a time
they may have been married. They weren't married, but their
interaction and their graciousness with the word is what recreates

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the love between them. On and on and on, and
they keep on coming in and out of memories. It
was wonderful. So to hear you talk, you're okay, it's
part of what happens. And I can I'm eighty three
years old. I understand that.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, I agree with that. But they gave me an
overload of jan I told them when they did my knee,
I want Michael Jackson juice, I want everything you've got
shoot me up. I want to be dead because I
don't want to feel a thing or the says geologist did.
He gave me everything and I was out for like
a week in a coma.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
He actually called people all over the country in the
middle of the night said that there was aliens, you know,
taking him in the hospital holding him captain. It was
TONI was at It was such a trip anyway, So
we have people in the chat room give a shout
out and say hi to the people in the chat room.
On there'll be more people joining us.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
But to be the truth, people, our age really lend
to a film. You cannot have a film with just
young people because it's weak and boring. You need to
have us because we bring substanti atial rabbits and humor.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I mean, yeah, there you go, gravitas and humor.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, we do. I think that, you know, losing Maggie
Smith was great, a great loss to the business because
Maggie Smith was a thousand years old and good deliver
a line that knocked the hell out of you. You
know what I mean. We are valuable. We older people
are valuable. And if we flip out once in a while,

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it's okay because you have to understand it's part of life.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
So we have we have a lot of So we
have a fan in the chat room and she start
ask him a question. Let me finish.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I got to mention stinks. I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't care to be book my question better, it's
not a question. I'm making a statement, okay. So Don,
So we have some really loyal supporters for many, many years,
and one of them's name is don Hutton. And she
basically sent me messages on Instagram. She watched all your
different movies. So if you could just give us she's
talking about Graveyard Shift already, in the thing. If you

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could just give her a shout out and say hello
Dawn because she was an that's nice.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
You remember Graveyard Shift.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Everybody remembers Graveyard Shift. I watched Monster Squad yesterday because
that was my question was.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Did you try to talk your son out of being
in this crazy business today?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
You know?

Speaker 5 (16:24):
No, Gabriel when he was five years old during during
the good times way back, I used to have a
lot of actors, writers, whatever. He was maybe thirty forty
five pounds a stick with absolutely shocking blonde hair, and
he would get up on the dinner table and sing

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all of the songs from the Rocky Horror Picture Show,
including I'm Just a Sweet Transvestite, and it was.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
It was desperious ahead of Hello.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
He an actor right from the start. There was no
stopping ever.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I think we should tell everybody in case you guys
are are not familiar. His son, Gabriel is the star
of the TV show Suits and Suits La. He's a
phenomenal actor and it's one of the best shows on
I think it's on USA. Is it on USA?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
It was, but it got a rebirth through Netflix.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay, now it's on Netflix. It's a great show and
never you guys, you guys, And also Steven's actually on it,
He's on a bunch of episodes. What season are you on?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I think I started around four and then went through
season nine and I played Professor Gerard Henry Gerard, his
Harvard Ethics professor.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Oh I remember now that. Yes, it's a great show.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
The reason why I asked you the question about your
son it is the business has changed so much. Yeah,
and today it's garbage filled with garbage, which with lunatics
who don't know what the hell they're doing, and they
treat each other like morons, and they're all loaded on

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pott on a set and it's disgusting. My daughter wanted
to be an actress badly, and I said, Deiredro, it's
not when I was young. You're not going to go
to a cocktail party with Glenn Ford and Rita Hayworth.
Doesn't happen. You're going to go to crappy junk with
junkie people. And she experimented. She made a couple of

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movies and she said, Daddy, I hate the business. I
wouldn't go near it. And she became a lawyer. So
there are so many young people today who only dream
about red carpets photographs, telling their friends I was in
a movie and they're so desperate to do that that
they pay to be in a film.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Well, I'm going to share a story with you. Gabriel
is not that person. Yeah, we know that Gabriel, And
let me tell you. I'll share a story with you
how he learned from all of my mistakes. I mean,
I was full of pisson vinegar when I came out
of here, and I learned a certain humility over the years.

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And my first job with Gabriel, I got on the
set to play his professor, and he comes out. He
says to me, He says, Dad, Look there's the director
over there, but he's not the director. I'm the director.
I'm going to direct you, he said. The first thing,
I'm going to send you back to the makeup when
we're going to take all the makeup off your face,

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he said, because I know you. You are the strongest,
most powerful person and one of the most powerful people
in my life, and so I want that from you.
There's no acting here. You're going to talk to me.
You are just going to say the words to me,

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he said. I've been with a lot of really fine
actors over this period. And what I've gotten is to
now say to you, my father, I adore you, and
you just talk to me. Usually the star gets the
last close up, but I'm not going to do that.
You haven't done it in a while, so I'm going
to give you the last close up. We'll do this,

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We'll do our takes, and then we'll give you the
close up because you'll get more used to it. So
I'm thinking about this, and he says, okay, and I
want you just to repeat the lines. If I don't
say cut, it means just let's play the scene again.
And let's just do that. Okay. So we do the scene.
And so before the scene, I think to myself, I

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am fifty years in this business and my son is
talking that way to me, to myself, Jesus Christ, and
I take a deep breath and I say, he is
absolutely right. He's looking after me. He really cares about me.

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And as we do the scene, we do it once
and he says to me, got Dan, You're terrific. You
just talk to me. That's acting. Next we moved on.
So what my story is. I just wish that people
of our age will be taken care of in some

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way by their children or their friends. The way my
son took care of me.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh beautiful.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
I have no qualm there. Both daughters came here from
Pennsylvania to take care of me. They cooked for me,
they changed my sheets, they did everything like nurses know.
So I have wonderful kids. But what my point I
wanted to bring out was how Hollywood has changed. We
have a lot of young people that watch our show.
I want them to know, Hey, kids, it's not a ride.

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It's not Hollywood that you think of is You're not
going to be in a gown on a red carpet
winning an oscar. You're going to go through hell. Hell
isn't the word. You wait or buy a phone, You
wait to get a call, you don't make it. You
got it, They got it, they take it away from you.
It's horrible, it's a it's a bitter life.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I also think you got to put it more in
context because they meaning his son and Steven, you know,
they're like in huge, big things. The Hollywood of today
is a lot of like, no.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
You're interrupting my whole Then, what I'm saying is he
and his son are fortunate because they were able to
make it.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
They had to go through hell. I know he had
to go through hell. How any broken hearts did you get?

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Because he had been at a you know, I can't
you know. I was a I was trained as a
classical actor in England and I went to New York
and I couldn't get any I couldn't get any work
at the age of about twenty eight, and I hustled.

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I did some regional theater. I acted with Dusty Hoffman
in the Boston Theater Company. I played little parts. I
came to it. I couldn't get any work the first time,
and I looked at all on the backstage. I finally
showed up for one off Broadway play Arms in the
Man Bernid Shaw, and I met the stage man. He says, look,

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we're looking for an understudy to understudy all the male
speaking parts and be an assistant stage matter. If you
know Shaw, they all talk all the Essentially, he was
saying to me, you'll have to learn every line in
the script.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I've had had her work. And at the time, I said,
I need to have fifteen dollars a week. I don't
have any money. My mother is in a hospital. I'm alone.
Can you pay me at fifteen? I'm living with a
friend for five dollars a week, and maybe you can
pay me so I can eat. He says, well, for that,
you have to go meet the producer. So I go
meet the producer. He says, all right, show up Monday. Monday.

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It's raining. I'm wearing a raincoat that doesn't shed water anymore.
He comes out and he says to me, listen, Stephen,
I'm sorry. We found somebody who would do it for nothing.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Oh shit, that's right, that's what it's about.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I'm not finished.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
That's so what with that? I thought to myself, I'm
not going to do this. I can't do this. I
gotta eat. And I was in love with a young woman.
And I went and spoke to a mentor at Dartmouth
who and he said to meteven you love to talk
about it, why don't you just go get an MA
and a PhD. You can't, and.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
You'll teach and you'll talk.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
You'll see where that goes, and you can get married
because you learn a living. So I was a good
Jewish boy, and I thought, you know, I'm not gonna
do it that way, and It took me thirteen years
from that moment to go get an MA, a PhD teach,
go back to England and finished my training, and then

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as the young guy on a totem pole at Queen's College,
the guy who trained me in England took over the
chairmanship and he said, Steven, you're a PhD. You've written.
I know you want to be an actor, so you
go and instead of writing for your credits towards tenure,
I will take anything you do off Broadway. And I

(25:23):
hustled a teaching job from eight to ten in the
morning at Queen's College, and hustled. I had nine lines
in a Broadway show called Vyvat vivat Regina opposite I
Mean Atkins and Claire Bloom. Nine lines I started, and gradually,

(25:44):
over five years, I went from one small role to
another small role. I was out of work and I
had three kids. I married that girl and we had
three children. I hustled until I had an off Broadway
breakthrough in a play I took over from a guy
Kevin Conway and When You're Coming Back Red Rider and

(26:05):
a young director who an English director who had taken
over Stratford, Ontario, Shakespeare Festival in Canada saw me and
offered me a gig, and I then went with my
family for their season in nineteen seventy five and was
scouted off the stage there by Universal Scouts. But it
took me thirteen years of that kind of struggle to

(26:27):
come back and finally get offered a deal from Universal
in nineteen seventy six. So from nineteen about sixty eight,
sixty eight till nineteen seventy six, whatever that is, it was,
it was just, you know, I struggled very hard, and

(26:48):
finally when I came out in seventy six, I began
to work. So it is not an easy ride. It
There is an apprenticeship that goes on and the the
things that I'm still learning are what who are you really?
What do you bring? And you must know yourself clearly

(27:14):
in order to reach any kind of gracious state. Great
acting teacher of mine would say, You've got to know
yourself before you reach the divine, so that you bring
whoever you are, and say, this role goes like this,
this is the way Stevie Stephen Mott says, it goes

(27:35):
very different from anyway from what you're going to do.
Another actor is going to do. This is my stamp,
this is who I am. And that's the only thing
you got to hang on to in this business, besides
the people, the coterie of people that you meet, the
contacts that you make, the truth of who you are.

(27:56):
So I think I'm still learning. And that's what my
son brought out in me that I had begun to
forget because I was at the age of seventy six.
I like love it.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
So you're from Philadelphia, right right.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
I was born in Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
We lived in Doylestown for many years, and Ron's daughters
lived in Doylestown.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Jesus, it's it's something a trip. What a trip?

Speaker 4 (28:22):
You know? Getting back to the subject, Yeah, go ahead.
You will find if you're a young actor or actress
starting off in the business, that the sentence that will
go through your mouths will be let me show you,
let me show you what I could do. People walk

(28:44):
away from that because they're not interested in what you
can do. They're only interested in money and how much
money you could bring to the film.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I you know, yes, yes and no. I you know.
I came from an educated background. I was never really
interested in the money. It wasn't that I was one
of the real money you know, I would right, you
get to work depending upon can you generate, can you
generate do people want to see you? And that's what
it is. Do you bring money to that film? Do

(29:14):
you bring attention to the film. But for me, I
got to tell you and I made a lot of
mistakes along the way because I was just interested in
really doing the work. It was never for me. You know,
people would say, if you come off the stage in
New York, it's a whole other it's the whole other
sense of who you are. You know, some actors when

(29:37):
I was doing it in the seventies and the eighties,
they would say, I would do it if you know,
I would pay them to do it. Now you get
out of that, have it after you were here in
Hollywood for a long time. But the joy of being
together with a group of people on stage or in
front of the camera has never left me. I was
like a little kid when I get there. Even at

(29:58):
the age of eighty three, I'm also so and and
it is that spark. It's that wonder that transcends a
lot of the bullshit that you have to go through,
and you have to hang on to that. Otherwise, if
you're just in it, you know, to be the for
the glory and all of that. You know, there are

(30:20):
actors who do that. They're not my friends and I
don't hang out with them anyway.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
So in context style and we put it in context.
So we so we we work on a lot of
indie films, you know, like now we've done a bunch
of under a million dollar films. Now we're like upgrade,
up up. I have a bunch of films in the
like one to five million dollars.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Being on this set is your boy.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
But on the lower budget films, A lot of those
films are funded by indie Gogo, which people pay to
be the stars of the film, which makes the film
stink because they don't know.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
How to act.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
They haven't trained, you know, they haven't done anything. So
so that's a lot of what you know.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
I was in a film where I played a very
good part. I was supposed to be a cup from
New York who liked to push people around.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yes, God moved.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
A little hicktown in Pennsylvania, so I could push people around, okay,
And I'm a nasty New Yorker with a big mouth
and I'm rough and I'm tough, and I'm fighting with
this young guy who I know his brother was murdered
and I suspected him, and I went into this whole big,

(31:28):
beautiful thing about I know you did. Yes, you know
what he did to me? What he said, Oh, you're
a bastard.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Well I turned to the director, I said, what the
fuck was that? What the fuck was that?

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Right?

Speaker 4 (31:47):
The guy didn't know how to act, he was in
a suit that was too big for him. I mean,
it was a It was a sin what they did
to me. So I told Jimmy, fuck you and your friends.
Don't ever ask me to do a filter the.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Anyway. So I want to do it some bigger ones.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I've had a couple of those.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
My Oh, can you believe those ships? When you got
a jerk off that doesn't know how to act, you
want to scream and you did your best work. You
did your best work.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Graveyard Shift for me was one of those. You know,
I had been working with. I was on Kegney and Lacy.
I played Sharon Gless's boyfriend, lawyer boyfriend. Anyway, the the
production stage manager Ralph Singleton had this project. He comes
to me, says Stephen, I want you to play this
bad guy. So I read the part and I think,

(32:39):
oh no, I'm not playing that. That's a really bad guy.
And I go to my great acting teacher, Milton could
sell Us, who many of the people that you see
have studied with. So he says to me, look, Stephen,
stop it. You are going through what's called an organ reject.
You read a part and you say yuh. Now. He says,

(33:01):
that is the part, the very part that you better
investigate because you're hiding. You're hiding what that part stimulates
in you, and you don't want to look at it.
So for about a week, I'm looking at this part
and I think to myself, he's fucking right. And I
said to Ralph, Ralph, I'm going to play this part,

(33:22):
but I got to tell you, I'm going to Bangor
to Maine. I'm going to be there three weeks before
anybody gets there. I'm going to hang out only in
working class bars. I'm only going to be by myself.
And when we get on the set, I'm not going
to talk to anybody. He says, Stephen, don't do that.
They're gonna hate you. I said, all the more, all
the more reason why I'm going to become this Warwick.

(33:46):
I will take a look at everything dark inside of me,
and believe me, I'm going to eat everybody live on
that set and have a real sense of humor about it.
So I'm playing that part throughout the whole thing, and
finally get to another Finally we get to the final
scene and one of the actors I'm in a fight

(34:06):
with Sucker punches me in the fight and breaks two
fucking ribs. Why would I Why would I tell you that?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
I'm just saying to him.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
You fucking asshole. You will we got still two weeks left.
You will never see me in another scene with you.
You will have my stand in. He said, listen, you
you asked for it. I said, this is acting, man,
this is acting, and you broke my fucking ribs.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Wow, that's great, any And.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
It.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Stuff gets very real, and for certain people who can't
who don't know really how to act, they get so
so sucked in that it becomes something trans real. Anyway,
it's just a story.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
And no, no, no, in the charm they're talking about
how great your accent was, though they no.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Pisses me off. What kisses me off. When they read lines.
I want to say something, but I can't because I
don't want to be the big you know the art,
the big guy, old man under a movie actor and
help them. But I want to say to them, you
have to become. You don't read lines, you become. They

(35:22):
don't understand that. Today they do this and they read lines.
In my day, we were taught you do this. Look,
you put your hands in your hair. You read a line,
you make it come alive with motion. Stand there like
fucking puppets reading lines. I can't two stories. One about

(35:43):
the accent that you brought up. I had a manor
with me twenty four hours a day. We hung out
all the time, a dialect coach. Now I got raked
for that dial legl for that main accent because I
was the only one.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Who used it. Everybody else wouldn't do it. I decide
I'm gonna I'll become. I will be that guy. For instance,
there was a line said, and he was with me
and I I there was a line that said, listen,
this place is dirty. He says to me. They says,
don't don't say that word, don't say that line, say
this line, this place ain't been clean since christ was

(36:23):
a kid. Much better fucking line and funny and cutting.
So when they said to me, there's only one guy
in the last month who really Joe company On gave
me a review. He really got the performance. After all

(36:44):
these years, I felt vindicated. He says, the only reason
to watch that movie is this guy who does an
outstanding performance. So that's one.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Fans love that.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
That accent. It was every time I said a word,
that guy would there and it did. It stuck out,
stuck out, and some people thought it was a sore.
Some do me, do me something else that anyway, that's
that was my feeling about that. I really did get
into who that guy was. And when I came home

(37:19):
after the thing was over, I still had to go
tea in the short hair. After about a week, my
wife says to me, get out of the bed. You're
not in this bed with that haircut and that goate shut.
And I said, listen, Suzanne, I was this guy for
about twelve weeks. It's hard to give him up. She says,
You're going to come up, but you're not going to
come in the bed with me. So when you talk

(37:41):
about become as far as I this little guy could
do it. I immersed myself in that, in that character. And
I also want to shout out to Dee Dee Wallace
is going to come next. She and I did a
movie in nineteen eighty seven about age and I at
all at the.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Go ahead, let me go go. I was in the
movie where I played a Brooklyn murderer hood and I
can do the talking okay because I bring my voice
up like this and I have to talk like this,
and they love it. They love it day of it. Ay,
don't do that, don't do that. Don't do that. And
the line was, oh, you mean the jerk with the

(38:27):
coffee cups smell like dirty ass. I loved the line.
I thought it was hilarious and the kids would love it.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
My director said, you can't use the word joint. I
said why. He said, nobody knows what a joint is.
I said, aside from the fact that it's a pot
a marijuana, everybody knows the word joint a jump right.
So I fought with him. I haven't seen the film
yet and it's out. I don't know if they used it.

(38:56):
If they didn't, but what am I going to say? Ah?
It smells like the place we had a couple, smell
like thirty years.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Now you you did the right thing again. You're talking
to the chorus. I think that's terrific, a great choice
because it's not just the line, it is who you
are exactly. You are all right? It goes like this,
It goes you tell you are telling the story exactly.

(39:26):
You know, if the director really understood that exactly, even
if I know what the joint is, they will get
your intention behind it.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
The director was an Italian from Brooklyn, and I said,
you stupid fuck. How do you not know the word gerns?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
So I want to like brag a little for you
real quick, and then I want to talk about some
things that I have actually highlighted out of here. So
first of all, you guys, here's some of the shows
you would have seen him. If you're like twenty, you
don't know some of these shows, but you wouldn't know suits.
But he just shows that he's been on. Six Million
Dollar Man was like my favorite when I was like
growing up, so like I wanted to be this, I

(40:06):
wanted to be there. I have all the action figures
Kojack Surperco Quincy American Dream Hotel Afric, Hitchcock Presents, Highlander,
Hill Street Blues, Scarecrow and Missus, King Star Trek, Deep
Space Nine, Viper, Kung Fu, The Legend Continues, Babylon Five,
Melrose Place, Tarzan and Jag, Texas Rangers, Sliders, Millennium. That's
one of my favorites. Lance Anderson is my favorite, The Practice,

(40:28):
Jack and Jill, Boston, Public Castle, The Mentalist, and he's
been in a ton of movies, You Guys, and the
first Notts Landing You Guys, which we've had Donna Mills
on the show. She was a great guest. And he's
done a million made for TV movies, which I want
to talk about, but first time I want to talk
about in a movie that probably nobody ever asked you about. So,
when I was younger, one of my favorite actors was

(40:50):
Nick Mancuso, and I'm a huge horror movie actor, I
mean horror movie fan.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
And you get a.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Movie called night Wing, which that was the first thing
I ever saw you in. It was The Juice night
Wing right, And that's kind of what kind of like
made me follow and watch all the other things you did.
It's because I like that movie so much, So talk
a little bit about it and talk a little bit
about Nick Nacousta because he had him on the We
had him on the show like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
He was a nice guy.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
He's a guy.

Speaker 7 (41:16):
We met in Arthur Hiller's office at my agent at
that time was Lenny Hershan with William Mars and we
talked with Arthur and he was trying to decide who's
gonna play the sheriff and who's going to play the
Indian sheriff.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
That was the time when they allowed guys actors to
play Indians or to play you know, you can't do
that nicket correct now at any rate. So I had
to talk to both of us and he said, listen,
Stephen Rick, Nick you're more You're a little more street
than Stephen is. So you're gonna play this. You're gonna
play the sheriff and Stephen will play the upsized, you know,

(41:59):
Indian who's taking advantage of his people. So that that
was simply the decision right there, and we went and
we did that. He is a he's a very interesting guy,
a very thoughtful, sensitive guy. And I think, if I'm
not mistaken, I think he's Canadian originally. I think so

(42:24):
because I think also went to Stratford after I went there,
or I think something like that. Maybe maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe maybe it's one of these things that I talked
about aged memory got things closed up. I have no anyway,
I remember, and we were friends. We didn't hang out,
but we respected one another, and I enjoyed shooting that movie.

(42:46):
But I gotta say, Arthur Hilla didn't have a clue
as to what what the myths were behind. I finally
went to and I said, listen, Arthur who had done
what is the movie? The love movie about Silver Streak. Yes,
he did a lot of those and he was great
for that. And I said, I said, why are you
doing this movie? And he says, well, I found that interesting.

(43:06):
It's it's a change of pace for me. Well, what
it was is about all of the Indian miss that
underlie the the you know, the original people's and how
those miss get screwed. And I played the guy who
knew the miss and just decided I'm going to make

(43:28):
I'm going to make deals with with oil companies and
sell the oil for the benefit of my people. But
yet it ends up screwing the people. So I think
in the hands of a different director. It would have
been a much better movie. It just would have been
the Bat movie.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Though, you guys, it's available on almost watched me.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
And why do the bats invade this? This original people's
uh home home land? It's all about that, and I
thought it was one of the nick and I used
to talk about it, and you know, we just didn't depart.
It was just aside to that one. There's a final
scene where the back cave is blown up. So Arthur

(44:10):
comes to me and he says, listen, Steven, I need
put you in the helicopter. I want you to take off,
and as the thing is burning, I want to see
you survive it and go out of sight. I said, donti,
you won't see me. You won't see me in the helicopter.
He said, no, no, no, I'll follow you with an eight
hundred millimeter lend. So I get in the helicopter. It's
a two seat helicopter with canvas sides, and the chopper

(44:34):
pilot says to me, have you ever flown a helicopter
like this?

Speaker 4 (44:37):
I said no.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
He says, well, look hang on. So we fly up
and we get in the signal. They like the inferno
and it's burning. He said, so you can see, here's
the fire. And we fly up and as soon as
we hit the hot air, this helicopter shoots up to us.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Whoa like they whoa like that.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
I almost chuck up. And then it goes goes pass
the fire. It drops two hundred feet and I hear
over the walkie talkie, Stephen, we missed the shot.

Speaker 8 (45:07):
We got to do it again. I said, boy, you're
gonna put us. You're gonna put a stunt guy in this.
You didn't need you don't need me in this thing.
There's no way I get down. I get off the
helicopter and I'm waving my handkerchief like a like a
you know, like a white flag, and he's laughing.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Author Hill is laughing at that, and I think it's
very funny. Author You don't you don't do that, You
just don't do it next time. I so every time
I would see Arthur at a uh, you know, an affair,
you know, Hollywood affair, I'd look at me. He'd smirk
at me, and it say like.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
That, it's amazing what they will last you to do.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
I'm eighty three, and I don't give a fuck anymore.
I really feel there's a lot of great directors and
there's edges in me that just come back. So if
they want to hide this guy again for this is
the full package.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
That's great topics. I've got two other topics and all
that ron talk. Yeah, So first of all, Muster Squad.
I watched it yesterday. Probably the most influential, you know,
family horror movie ever made in history. It's a great movie.
It still holds up today. I watched it yesterday while
I was working, So talk a little bit about Mouster Squad.

(46:26):
So I freaking like love it. And I actually have
talked to some of the people. I'm doing another movie
and we talked to some of the kids that were
in it to be in this new movie I'm working on.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Right. It's had let me tell you a little bit
about it. It's had an amazing life and it's all
due to Andre Gower. After the movie was made, it
got a rating of PG thirteen. Why because Dracula says
to the little girl at the end of the movie,

(46:55):
give me the amulet, you bitch, Yes, well PG thirteen.
Who is the movie made for eight year old to
twelve year olds? So the movie came nobody could come
and see it when it was made, thanks to Andre Gower,
who got a VHS copy of it when he was

(47:16):
about thirteen, when he twelve thirteen, when he made the movie.
When he becomes sixteen seventeen, he starts to go to
every film festival there is with this pirated VHS copy
and they start showing it, and it starts to build
a following, and inside of Braby maybe eight more years,
the studio hears about it and they release a DVD.

(47:37):
So every and most of these horror conventions the core
of this monster squad cast go. Now. I have seen
three generations, three generations of fans. I have seen people
like you originally saw it. I've seen their sons, their daughters,

(48:00):
they come for autographs. I saw one guy comes up
to me where his son, who's wearing adjacent mask, and
he puts his leg up on my desk. He says,
look at this, He's got all of the monsters tattooed
to his leg. I said what. He says, it's a
great movie. So and I said, well, who is this
right here? He says, this is my son. So I'm

(48:22):
thinking to myself. I got into a panel discussion of
five hundred people. They said, what is it that you
think is the message of the movie. I said, I
have to tell you this, what is Dracula in the monsters?
What do they offer? What do they offer? Why are
they there? They're there to offer eternal life and eternal

(48:46):
do whatever you want to do and immoral life. Whatever
you want, go ahead and do it. And the monsters
represent those parts in us that are totally ego driven
and monstrous. And what does the young group do? They
fight the monsters and ultimately, in a fantasy world, they

(49:08):
defeat them. Well, I believe it's not a fantasy world,
and there are plenty monsters out there.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Why was not right toe one?

Speaker 5 (49:18):
What are you gonna do about it? So my message
this little fantasy monster movie, the subtext of it underneath,
is to say, who are the monsters now in your life?
And you're gonna let them get away with it.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I think it's a fabulous movie and I think that's
a great message. And I think the little the fact
that Frankenstein develops the relationship with the little girl and
Wolfman's got nerds. I mean it was just a great
fun you know, it was.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Old thinking years ago in film everything was censored, and
you have to be careful what you did today. The censoring.
I don't think there is censoring anymore, do you? Although
I don't think so because I see the sets of
Wild everybody's nuts on the set.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Now we have friends who make more movies that, like,
you know, penises get chopped off and they show it
and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Oh, I got a good story, So Stephen, you're gonna
love this story. So I go to the Red Corpeet
premiere of what's his name Marcel Waltz's film, and they
cut the guy's dick off in the film. So they
showed a guy with a real dick and the fake
dick comes off. So I said, Marcel, what are you
gonna do next? But fire crackers up a woman snatch

(50:39):
and blow it off. He said, we did that already.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Listen, they blow a.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Woman snatch off with cherry bombs. I said to My
too much, to Jimmy, I'm out of the business. I'm
leaving the business.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
It's you know, those are choices. I agree, it has.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
It has gone beyond beyond and insanity. It has gone beyond.
And I saw Julianne Moore, who I love, not interested
in less than stevid. I saw Julianne Moore, who I love,
great actress, sitting on a toilet bowl, taking a dump
and wiping her butt and looking at the toilet paper

(51:19):
and throwing it in the toilet. I said, why she
doesn't need the money? Why does she think it's art?
Taking a ship onte on the movies art? What are
they ns? What more are they going to do next?
I mean, some guy gonna wak off and shoot a
load into the camera and we get hit in the
face with it.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
What are they going to do next? They're just disgusting.
It's gone too far.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
I can only tell you, and I'll put it really
bluntly short, a short thing. Look when you come. Well,
I'm eighty three. So when I was born and I
went to school, I became interested in dramatic literature. And
it breaks down this way from me and it's something
I've carried with me my whole life and through my PhD.
My study. Drama breaks down into three genres. There's tragedy, comedy,

(52:11):
and melodrama. Tragedy has to do with the lead people
and everybody in the in the script, making errors of judgment,
wrong decisions, usually out of ego. They get angry and
they make a decision which causes a lot of pain
and suffering through the whole arc of the script, and

(52:33):
there's there's comedy that can be involved that highlights that.
What usually the scripts are about are those people discovering
that they are the source of their own shit. The
responsibility does not lie outside of them. It's it's blames.
You can't blame everybody else. It is who you are.

(52:54):
The scripts that focus on light that, like Horton Foote's
Tender Mercies, are wonderful, wonderful scripts. The rest of what's
called melodrama, the threats are not from inside. They're from
the bad guy, Honor Schwarzenegger, sending bullets, first bullets, then grenades,
then bombs, and how does the hero, how does the

(53:14):
skirt that? And usually through his better sense of humor
and quicker sense of wit, he defeats the bad guy.
So it's split what happens. You hate the bad guys
and your roof for the good guys. That's primarily what
is in film, and it's lost. Film has lost, for

(53:35):
the most part, respect for the words, and it's only
through words that you can see characters trying to make
decisions about their lives. So there's very little of that left,
and most of it is, let's shoved dynamite up this
one or that one, and it's a analystic defeat the
bad guy. I respect for the word and respect for

(53:57):
great filmmaking and the words during the sixties and seventies
and independent phil it creeps back a little in shows,
keeps back a little in some of the episodic TV,
like The Pit or It. Why I like Suits was
because every one of those characters was making mistakes and

(54:18):
they discovered there their own purpose in the matter. They
had to discover where are the weaknesses in us? And
there was comedy that revealed that and very serious stuff.
I felt that that was superior writing. Anyway, I'll leave
it that.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
So we have a really good friend named Jeff Kpertin.
He's a big producer and he's in the chairman and
he said, Hey, that whack off scene I did was
important to the story. That whack off scene I did
was important to the story. So also, you're a soapie.
You're on General Hospital. So my favorite show when I

(54:58):
was in college, I skipped school. I skipped classes every
day to watch it. We've actually were very good friends
with Tristan Rodgers Rest in Peace and John Canaan and
Ian Buchanan and Carolyn Hennessy and Stephen Martinez, which I
don't know what he goes by.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
On that show, and I'll tell you why. About twenty
years ago, my career was dipping and I went back
to New York and I was in a I think
it was all my children, and I had a shitty attitude.
I thought I was better than the script. And I
went back for six months and it was awful. And

(55:36):
then I came back to what was awful. My work
was awful because of the attitude I had. I was
doctor somebody who was trying to lure what's a wonderful
actress that she's now on General Hospital Erica slavey, Yes,

(55:56):
trying to lure her to kill her own son for
for cock, the reasons, whatever it was. And I was
shitty in it. I was bad. The only good thing
about it was when I used to go out to
UH sixty seventh Street was shot in the armory in Manhattan.
There were women who used to see me and they
would come out, your name is doctor doctor. What's the

(56:19):
name doctor, not the hair, they would say, because you
got such great hair, that's the who they remember. At
any rate, come to General Hospital. I, because of my
acting teacher, Milton could sell us. I finally saw it
as an opportunity over and over and over again to

(56:41):
examine all the parts of myself. And I played this guy,
Trevor Lancing, who was the father of Rick Lancing and
had had a very specific fight going on with Sonny.
And I felt, there's nothing that they can do. I
have a six month contract. I will just absorb whatever

(57:03):
the threats are and I will enjoy maneuvering around whatever
threats there were that were posed to me. And I
will show this resilience of a man who's been through
the wars of my life. And I showed up every
day first one on the set, and I loved being

(57:25):
with him because I got a chance to hit every day.
I was memorizing fifteen to twenty pages a day, and
it was at the time I was studying to become
a Jewish chaplain and I had to learn Hebrew at
the same time. So somebody says to me, I having
trouble with the lines. I said, you kidding me. You
try to learn Hebrew and these lines at the same time.

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Lines as much easier than Hebrew. At any rate, I
had a wonderful, wonderful experience. I loved being there every day.
It gave me a chance. And my teacher, Milton Casellius,
who told me about the organ reject he said, Stephen, finally,
finally you have learned to act.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
So I'm confused. I'm confused, Stephen. Tell me you liked
it or you didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I loved it, not the first one, the first soap
opera he didn't like the second soap opera he loves.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
I didn't like it because I resisted. I resisted who
the character really was.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I wasn't playing got it.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
I was shitty at it.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
I was fair And you're also soap opera Die Test
Villain of the Year in two thousand and seven part
in Trevor Lancy, Yes, Trevor Lancing. I love it.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Because I thought I saw it as an opportunity to
explore and and as Milton used to say, if you
go to Australia, if you say you're gonna play King
Lear in Australia, then fucking show up.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
In Canan. Sean Canaan told me that one day they
threw forty pages at him with changes. I said, Sean,
you've memorized forty pages. He said, yeah. I can't even
remember two lines anymore. Now I have no really, I

(59:26):
have a plug in my ear. Jimmy feeds me my
lines because I don't remember lines anymore.

Speaker 9 (59:33):
Now.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
I said to Jane Russell, Jane, I could get you
in a movie so easy. Why don't you come back
and make a movie. And she looked at me in
her lovely way, and she said.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Ron, I can't remember lines.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Can you remember, Stephen? Do you remember lines? How are you?

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Fortunately?

Speaker 5 (59:57):
And I must tell you fortunately term memory meaning if
I have to remember a script, I can. I can
learn those lines, but I don't remember all kinds of
people that I worked with over the years. I don't remember.
My wife will say to me, you like cottage cheech.

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You don't remember anything in the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I don't remember all the people I'm friends with. But
we watched her in the classic movies, and the movie
came Esther Williams. The other night. I said, she was
so sweet. I loved esther. Jimmy said, you knew her.
I said, of course I did. She was Jane Russell's
best friend. So I watched movies and I see, I said,
you know, Jimmy, I know that when I know everybody

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in the goddamn movie. I know all the way back
to Dorothy Maguire. I knew Dorothy Maguire.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
So you see it's locked in there and you remember
their names. That happens to me often. Sanna says, what's
the name of that actor? I said, come on, that's
the Hayden. It just comes right out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
He doesn't remember, though, with any of the modern movies
that he does. But here's a question. I like to
ask everything.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
You know, people ask me ron So what's out there?
What I said, Oh, I don't know. What movies do
you have out there? Jimmy, what movies you do I
have out there? I have to plug one coming out soon, folks.
The greatest movie ever I placed, General Milan. Have to

(01:01:30):
Kill the Killer Clowns.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
In my motel. Three Ways to Hell. Yeah, October twenty
fourth or October twenty fifth, premiere in Beverly Hills. Everybody,
and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Probably one of it has over one hundred clowns that
get killed. Just idiots out there that like to watch
clowns get brusted into pieces. You're gonna have one hundred clowns.
You can smearsh the pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
So to say, everybody, you can follow Steven on Instagram.
He's at steven Underscore mock them Acht. Website is stephenmock
dot org. Right, So here's a question I like to
tell to ask everybody. It's like a bucket list, and
you've worked with everybody. So it's a three part question.
Male or female actor that you would have liked to

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work with that you haven't had an opportunity to work
with yet, and it can be living or dead. And
if you could have ever been in any movie that's
ever been made in history, what movie would you have
liked to have been in?

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Raging Bull?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Raging Bull?

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Hang on, Raging Bull. That would have been difficult for
you because you would have had to be a Brooklyn
Italian idiot. How could you have played a Brooklyn Italian idiot?

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
You'd be surprised about how.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
I would love Stephen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
I would love to see you.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
In that role.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
You know that my wife often calls me not these words,
but she says you're a schmuck. At times, He's just
a schmuck, meaning there times when I just don't get it,
and the behavior that she frowns upon, most gross sort
of behavior, just comes out of me. So when you
say to me, you couldn't have played that, I could.
I can play that. I can play it anyway. I

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respect the Bobby for me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
That's a natural role. I could play that natural because
I have a brook You say, I have a Brooklyn accent,
and I never lose it. You know why they hire
me all the time to play a hood with a
Brooklyn accent. I train people because sometimes they're supposed to
be New York people, you know, Brooklyn gangsters, and they

(01:03:36):
don't know how to speak like a New Yorker. So
I tell them here, the first thing I teach you
is forget about it. If you can't forget about it,
you can't be an Italian. And you know they say, oh,
forget about it. No, that's not how you say it.
Forget about it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
It's great. Let me tell you one one quick story.
I'm going my time is up about Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
You're five minutes, so you're okay, Well, I get a
call right show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
By the way, Stephen, I'm loving every minute.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Great. I get a call from a woman whose name
is Sharen Anders. She is the director of the Mystic
Connecticut Film Festival. Now, I'm from mister Connecticut. After my
father passed away, we lived in Brooklyn. We moved to
mister Connecticut and lived with my grandfather. She calls me.

(01:04:26):
She says, listen, we want to honor you with a
Lifetime Achievement award. I said, that's really nice. She says,
Now I know that you lived in Brooklyn. Where did
you live? I said, Brooklyn Heights.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Oh that fancy, she says.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
He says what street? I said, Montague Street.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
She says, I.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
Said sixty eight. She says what apartment. I said seventy.
She says I lived in one C for ten years.
Now thirty years younger than I. She says, I see
you went to Dartmouth College. I said yes. She said
did you know my father? I said what he said?
She says he was in the class of sixty one.

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I said, I was in the class of sixty three.
It was two years an enemy. I said, I don't
know his name. She said, do you know this other guy?
And I said, yeah, I remember him. He was in
the deec house. She says, my father was in the decouse.
Did you know the decon? I said, I didn't. I
knew the decus, but I had a friend who wrote
a movie called Animal House based on the decouse the

(01:05:29):
Crazy Deeks. She says, well, you have a good time
talking to my mother when we give you this honor
for a lifetime, and she because she's we investigated with
who my wife was from Boston. My mother used to
come from Boston. It used to take five hours to
get the Boston from Boston to Dartmouth. And she dated
my father, married my father, and when he passed away,

(01:05:51):
she then ended up with this other Dki and it's
been lived with him. And she's gonna love talking to
you because your wife had similar Now, what are the
chances coming from Brooklyn that that I'm going to be
asked by a woman who's the head of the Mystic
Film Festival, who shares so much of sort of a

(01:06:12):
synchronicity of my life. It's beyond that. A local boy
going home, you know, the little guy who did good
is going to go home, and I'm really looking forward
to that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Were you in a fraternity? Were you in a fraternity
at Dartmouth?

Speaker 10 (01:06:27):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Really okay? I was a finel Well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Yes, the story is long, but I'll cut it short.
When I went to a luncheon for Lauren Bacall. When
Lauren Bercall met me, she said, where are you from
in Brooklyn? I said, you heard it? She said yeah.
I said, I'm red Hook. She said, wow, tough guy.
Tough guy. So and I became instant friends. And I
sat on her lap because there wasn't a chair for

(01:06:52):
me at the table for this thousand dollars a plate
dinner that we were having. You know, I said, I
can't sit on your lap or I'll hurt you. She said, no,
you wan't, So I sat up. I really didn't sit.
I made believe. We just had the best time because
she always was a Brooklyn Jew, she never changed, and
I was a Brooklyn Italian Jew. So we got along. Farm.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
You did come from a really tough section.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Because Hook, Yeah, what are you talking.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
I lived in Brooklyn from nineteen forty four to fifty
one when they were building the Belt Parkway, and all
the tough guys from Red Hook used to come to
Brooklyn Heights and rage Hell. There were gang wars at
that time. I remember getting hit in the head with
one of the stones. That was piles of stones used

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to line the streets in Brooklyn Heights that we used
for the Belt Parkway. And during the rock fights, I
got hit with one guy from Red Hook hit me
in the head. Anyway, you were from a really tough area.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
I was born in the Red Hook projects in nineteen forty.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
Jeezus, yep y tough times.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
I grew up across the street from we lived on
Columbia Street was the Italian Club. If I tell you
the names, Gallo, all the names that came out of
that club, toughness, mafia's, buffaelsa people you live in me
I bet?

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
I bet?

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Yeah, all came out of Red Hook. Yes, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
So wait, let's go back to my original question. So,
Raging Bull, male and female actor living or dead? You'd
like to work with.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Bobby de Niro?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Okay, my son Bobby.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Actually he did that the actually they wrote it in
the chat room, The Good Shepherd. Maybe that's it, The
Good Shepherd. Okay, what about a female?

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
This is I mean, this is you know, just off
the top of my head. Sephilla Wren.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Oh, yeah, I worked with all I did. I really
dot that wasn't a Fantasy. In nineteen fifty nine, I
was in the movie That Kind Of Woman, and I
played a soldier and that's how I met her Hunter
and we had a lifelong friendship. Sophia was delightful, beautiful,
and oh my god, I spoke with her. I snuck

(01:09:12):
away from the camera people and I sat next to
her in George Sanders chair and we began talking and
she said to me, your Italian is as bad as
my English. And then we got along and they threw
me away. They said, hey, you actor, you can't bother
miss Lauren. And she said, no, no, leave him, leave him,

(01:09:32):
and then she kissed me goodbye. I never washed my face.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
You know, I'll tell you it's very short what he
said I wanted to do. You know, when I was
a younger actor. I've been married forever since we were
married in nineteen sixty four and had three kids. And
when I came to Hollywood, I mean I I was
just I was a solo woman man to woman, a guy,

(01:09:58):
and I started getting I had no idea who was
coming on to me. My wife used to say, you
don't get the attractiveness that your appeal to women. You
just don't get it. I said, well, listen, whatever it is.
So anyway, a friend of mine from Dartmouth, Stephen Geller,
who is a screenwriter, was developing a play, a screenplay

(01:10:21):
with Sephila Wren, and he says to me, Stephen, I
want you to play the male lead if this gets done.
I said, I don't think I can do that. She says,
go to your wife, Suzanne, get permission the one time
in your life. This is an opportunity you don't want
to miss. And I said, this is can I can?
I I don't know what's going to happen if I

(01:10:41):
play opposite the field of Wren. I mean, I think
she is the most beautiful woman at the time, during
the you know, the late sixties, early seventies. She said, permission,
no matter what happens, to go ahead. It never happened,
the movie never happened. But I had a fantasy, see
of working with SOPHIAA. W Rent at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
So hang on one second, go ahead and blame Dee
Wallace on and let well let him say hi before
we let Stephen go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
That's so.

Speaker 10 (01:11:12):
Hey, I would have given anything to be that woman.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Yeah, this is this she is, and I'm still attracted
to you, d I got.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
It when I when you and I were husband and wife,
I never told you I was always attracted to you,
and loveliness of who she.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
The things we find as we get older. I'm eighty three,
What am I going to lose?

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
What is she gonna? Hey?

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
We need it more the more we get older.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
Anyway, it's very when I when he when they told
me you were going to be and I thought, I
have to tell them. I have such a soft spot
in my heart for her. We go back and every
once in a while we go to these horricans and
I see her and I think, I just.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Want to go give you no wise, Stephen, that's because
you're a mench.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Well some people think so so.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
No, you're definitely You're definitely a munch you're gonna have
He's a really sexy minch.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Yes, sweety girl woman, she's gonna give you. She's got
millions of stories. And I and I so appreciate that
you guys invited me on and that you ended with
me giving her a virtual imbrief.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
K Stephen, Stephen, I never say this often. I say
this once in a while. You gave us a great show.
I loved every minute well, thank you to come back again.
I'll be happy. You're an interesting guy. You're a great talker,
and you're a terrific actor.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
And the girls in the chat room are like dying
over you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
You're one hundred, You're a hundred plus Stephen.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
Thank you very much, guys, it's been entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Really, what a good time I would have with you first,
And thank you for and entertaining and enlightening.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Thank you so much on Instagram. Very nice. Yeah, you
gotta love it. I love that. So I hopefully you're
okay with that. He was talking about you earlier in
the interview and so I was like, no, it would
be great if we actually let them, let them say hello.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
So let me do it.

Speaker 10 (01:13:19):
Yeah, we've worked together a lot of times. I love Steven.
So everybody, now, we.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Want to welcome to the Jimmy Star Show with Ron Russell,
Hollywood's favorite mom and a horror icon and movie icon
and television icon d Wallace. Hello, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:13:38):
Hello, and it's good to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
And that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
And this is my cool, outrageous man about co host
Ron Russell.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
I've seen you in so much work Stepford Wives. I
loved you and oh yeah, I had really listen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
It was a fun one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Gee gee, if I say something, it's not baloney. I'm
not a Hollywood life. We don't Hollywood. Everything is wonderful,
everybody's beautiful, everybody's fabulous, all that bullshit. I don't do that.
If I say something about you, it's true Stepid Wives,
you were good, but the best was as what do
you call the mother?

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Brad doesn't research anything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I don't know who gets a role like that. I mean,
that was some hell of a roll.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Hang on, we gotta wait. You're going too fast. You're
going too fast. So first of all, Wemini, we have
a chat room full of people, so say hello to
everybody in the chat everybody, and we have don just
say hello to Dawn because she's like, I don't freaking out.
So I actually have met you several times, but it
hasn't been for a very long time. But I met
you in Saint Louis. I think, is that what the

(01:14:43):
twin towers are? Those twin buildings? That funny arch building
is in Saint Louis. So we were at a comic con.
I was promoting a movie called brutal that I produced
with a Michael Baldwin. And so we hung out and
talked with you. A lot We've had we see your daughter.
I had a lot of premieres here in la we
used to. We haven't gone to any lately. And she

(01:15:04):
came on the show and that was made me think, Oh,
I should reach out to de Wallison. She'll come on
the show. You're an icon. Everybody loves you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
No, d Wallace is vintage. I call us vintage. Now,
I don't call us old. Call I'm eighty five. I'm
eighty five years old. And if people say, oh, you're
great for an old guy, I'm not an old guy.
I'm vintage. There's a difference because I came from a
day when Hollywood was vintage, when Hollywood was elegant and wonderful,

(01:15:34):
and so did you. We both enjoyed the great, the
great days of the golden years. Unfortunately they're gone. And
when I'm on a set nowadays, I'm sad because I
where's the camera? The cameras is little thingswhere that's true,

(01:15:56):
where's the director? Where's my director? The room? Roan?

Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
We still make magic, yes, make magic?

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Oh yeah, it's fun. But I lost the beauty of
the big cameras in the excitement, and don't trip on
the cables, you know, all the stuff that we went through.
It was one of the dressing rooms on the stage,
Joan Crawford bitching in the room, all that kind of stuff.
I missed that so much.

Speaker 10 (01:16:25):
Well, let's do it and I'll bitch for you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
There you go. You're too late. So so here's what
I want to do. I want to do a quick
plug because you're going to an event next week on
the twenty seventh, and I guess ten days. It's called
uh oh, gallaper Hope. So Mark bucka Anthony, very good
friend of mine. I'm producing two movies with him, and

(01:16:51):
you're going as one of the celebrity guests with David Chokachi.
It's in Texas. The website, you guys, is Gallaperope dot com.
I told him I would bring it up up because
it promotes awareness for suicide prevention and mental health and
he's a feature guest there, so I just wanted just
to put it out there anybody who wants to go.
The website is Gala for Hoope dot com and.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Uh great, pause, great one. I know a lot about
I have two suicides in my family.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Which is terrible. That part is terrible, But the fact
that you're going to the event and that he puts
on these events, he does them all the time. He's
a great guy. We actually his girlfriend are almost to
be wife is fabulous. You're going to love her too.
David Chokichi is going to be there. He's been on
our show like five times, and I think you're gonna
have a really good time. And he's a really great
stunt guy. If you ever need stunt people, he's got

(01:17:43):
a stunt stunt ranch in Texas.

Speaker 10 (01:17:46):
A stunt ranch.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Yes. He did stunts for like the New Minecraft movie
and the Accounting two and a stud ranch, yes, as
opposed to a study. So you're still making movies. You're IMDb,
you're making the zillion movies a year and why not?
And you're and you're like a horror icon. But you've

(01:18:09):
done so many things. But I think besides et people
think of you as like the like basically like the
Queen of horror. Do you like horror movies?

Speaker 9 (01:18:16):
I love them, you know, I love them because they
give you so many emotional arts to play.

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
And you know that's what actors do. We emote.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
So I want to be very clear though that I'm
talking about good horror films, good splasher films.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Good.

Speaker 10 (01:18:46):
A good horror.

Speaker 6 (01:18:47):
Film takes time to create characters for you, relate tips
for you that that the audience really gets invested in in.
Like in Kujo, you were with us all the way,
trying to get away from that dog, yes, and saving

(01:19:11):
that kid.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
We had Danny Pintaro on our show last year. Actually listen,
don't Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
I don't know d but I love you because you
know you took all the words out of my mouth.
I read a script, if it's slash, I throw it away.
I will not do a slash movie. But sometimes you
got to be careful because they don't tell you this
slash in it. They put you in the film and
then they do the slashing, and then you go to

(01:19:40):
see the film that the red carpet, you say, I
didn't know that was in it. So you have to
be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
So let me brag a little. So here's some of
the big horror movies that I know you've done a
bunch of them, but these are the ones everybody like
knows the haling you guys, huge, huge movie. We also
have U Kujo Critters, popcorn. We see you'll showl in
at the at this benefit every year Halloween. She's always there. Alligators.

(01:20:08):
I like the alligator I love. I love one of
my favorite fighters too, was very clever Black Circle Boys.
And I love Bone Bone Drive because Lance Henderson is
like my favorite like actor is one of my more
favorite actors. And so I think it's terrific. So are
you groupie?

Speaker 10 (01:20:28):
Are you a Groupye?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I am like a groupie.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
So I have a horror I asked.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
He's the only producer that's a group.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I have a horror podcast also that does horror movie reviews.
And I collect action figures and I have everybody's action
figure who's been on the show. Do you have an
action figure?

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:20:44):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I don't know why either.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
You should have a lot of you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Thank you everybody I have.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
I have a funk Go Doll's doll. Meanwhile, you know what,
I would love to work with you. So I'm going
to tell Jimmy that he should really put us both
in a film together. I think we'd be sensational.

Speaker 10 (01:21:08):
I think we would too, I.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Think because we're both good looking. Yeah, we are and
we have our marbles. Maybe a little.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
They may be rolling around a little.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Yes, there is a horror movie that Jimmy is producing.
I'm going to talk to him after the show. I'd
love to work with her.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Yeah, I would like to too.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
It's a big shot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
One thing about you too, though, is that because I
used to go so I the way I got really
ensconced in building this show because we've been on the
air for eighteen years is I used to be a
clothing designer and I used to take clothes to all
the conventions and have the celebrities come to my room
and give them stuff, and then I would become friends
and they came on the show. And that's how I
had because like our first like two months on the year,

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I had like Lance Henrickson and Malcolm mcdolland all these
people when we nobody even knew who we were. Now
everybody kind of knows. But by uh and that's how
I kind of, like, you know, built the whole thing.
But by going to horror conventions. I'm I'm an actual
horror fan and I love it. Like I have a
seven foot Jason mechanical Jason and I have I have
like a whole room filled with mechanical monster.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Every October is his birthday. So so Jimmy and I
are married, by the.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
Way, so I thank thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
I were married fourteen years. So I buy him. I
buy him a monster every birthday. And I bought him
a Santa Claus.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
No, yeah, I have. I have like an eight foot crampis.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
So there's another way to get in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
And I just got a new three and a half
foot life sized Chucky, mechanical Chucky.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
I have two of them. Now you can't get in
his office.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
One where he's normal and one where he's not. But
but let's go back. Okay, let's start for a little.
First of all, I want to know, and I didn't
even see this movie, but I want to know how
I was working with Peter Strauss a way up for
the killing Peter Strauss.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
I know Peter met. I've met Peter.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Struck because I didn't ask you, I asked her.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
My mind clicks in every now and then.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
Well, I loved working with Peter and we worked really well.
We did that up in Newfoundland, Saint John's, Newfoundland, and
I almost fell off the boat the water was so rocky.
But I really really really enjoyed working with Peter very much.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
And Bruce McGill is in it, like you you've worked.

Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
With like I love I worked with Bruce a lot
in my career.

Speaker 10 (01:23:40):
Yeah, I love him. Great guy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
What about what about The Hills Have I sos? We
had Susan Lanier. Actually she's going to an event I'm
doing it in October, but we had Susan Laneer on
about I don't know two months ago. How was it
because like, to me, that's one of the like scariest actually,
like of all the different types of horror movies, you know,
because real.

Speaker 10 (01:24:02):
Yeah, and it sure holds up too.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
You know. It was my first well it was my
second movie. I did a religious film called All the
Kings Horses for Mark four Pictures, and the next thing
I booked was The Hills Have Eyes, which kind of
sums up my entire life. You know. I have a

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whole healing practice, yes, where I teach conscious creation along
with my very full time.

Speaker 10 (01:24:40):
You and I have ten films coming out I do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
I went to your IMDb and I saw all of it,
and I'm actually we're actually friends with the people who
made a bunch of the movies. That you are in. Well,
thank them for me, will you?

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
And I actually knew about the other stuff too, because
our show is on W four c Y Radio. It's
out of Palm Beach or used to be Pommes Content.
I think you used to be on a show there,
or you were a guest on a show there, many,
many many. I'm talking like a long time ago, so
I know. Yeah, you actually are are very busy.

Speaker 10 (01:25:13):
My show is over the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Yes, and our world.

Speaker 10 (01:25:18):
I think I pasted nine hundred shows.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Good for you. We don't even have that many. We
only have we only have seven hundred and we've been
on for eighteen years.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Eighteen years with this guy fighting.

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
I see you fighting to talk, both of you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Yes, we both like to talk. And that's a normal
people kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
I tell every guest that comes on the show if
I talked to them, make believe you're in Brooklyn and
you're in my kitchen and we're having coffee and Niman's
crumb cake, which is my favorite.

Speaker 11 (01:25:55):
Oh you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
I want the show to be real. It's not a
fake show. We don't ask what made you become an actress?
Who cares? We talk about you? We talk about you,
who you are, what you're doing, what you're all about.
Why do we like you? We bring out the beauty
in you?

Speaker 10 (01:26:12):
Well, you tell me, why do you like me?

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Why do I like you?

Speaker 10 (01:26:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
I like you because you smile beautifully, and I like
you to answer. And I like you because you're beautiful.
I don't like on the track. I don't like ugly people. No,
it's terrible, isn't it awful? If you're ugly, I look
the other way when I talk to you. It's very disconcerting.
But when they're beautiful like you and thing beautiful and smile. Oh,

(01:26:42):
I mean, I'm enjoying every minute. You know. I may
be gay, but I'm not dead.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
Yeah, I got you, babe from Love is Loving, Fun
is fun.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
I was married for sixteen years. I have two beautiful daughters.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
I like you because number one, I'm a huge horn
I'm a huge horror fan, and so I've seen everything
every movie that you've been in. I'm friends with many
of the people that have been co stars with you
in a lot of those movies. Actually, they've all been
on the show. Jake Bust and all kinds of people.
They've all been on our show. But really the reason
why I like you is because I actually have met
you a few times and you were so you could

(01:27:21):
tell she's nice. You were so nice to all the fans,
you know, and I know that can be difficult, because
sometimes fans can be demanding and they want your attention,
and you know, it's a lot, you know, to have
fifty people pulling at you at every second of the
day when you're not one of those guys.

Speaker 10 (01:27:34):
I don't look at it that way. I look at
it as a big exchange of love.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
It really is, and it shows, and it shows, and
that's why I like you so much. Though it is
because I've also gone to conventions, you know, where I've
seen you know, people and they're not really all that
friendly unfortunately, you know. So the fact that you're so
endearing your fans make makes fans love you even more.
In your work, your body of workstans were it's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Saying, after four thousand people that I've interviewed four thousand celebrities,
Oh god, I'm not lying. No, in our fourteen years,
over four thousand celebrities plus. I had a show before this,
before I went with Jimmy, was called set the Record Straight,
where I interviewed Lauren Bacall, Betty Davis, Jane Russell, everybody

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that were my friends. So I've been interviewing for thousands
of years and i can tell right away if a
guest is a creep or not. It's an instinct. And
I immediately that I bonded with you. I like you,
but I ask you too. No, I've walked off the
show a couple of times because we had bitches on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Really, he can't tell you who, no evil. The people
who have a beautiful body of work, who've really, you know,
had an amazing career, like yourself. Those people are always
super nice. Steven, you know, has had a great career.
He's super nice. We've had some like reality show people
you know, who are famous for fifteen minutes, and I

(01:29:06):
am telling you they come across and they're just not nice.
They're like you would think they think they're like Angelina,
Joelie or something.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
And in defense of Betty Davis, everybody thinks she was
bitchy and mean and nasty. No, Betty was none of
those things. Betty had a weird sense of humor and
sometimes she'd make a joke that we didn't understand, but
she did, and she'd laugh and then yell at us
for not laughing at her. Well, Betty, Betty Davis was

(01:29:36):
I knew her as an old woman, of course, because
she was much older than I and she was a
sweet old lady. I loved her a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:29:45):
That's one person I would have loved to have worked with.
You know my name.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
The dream person I want to work with is Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 10 (01:29:56):
Yes, I know, my one person on my back lift.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Hold on, well, I'll go back to that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Huh. Anthony Hopkins is very dear friends with Lee Winkler,
who passed away. Lee Winkler was ahead of Global Enterprise,
and Lee Winkler was my best friend in the world.
And I met Anthony and Anthony Hopkins is such a
gent you could carry yourself from him. I'd love to
work with Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Yeah, so let's go back, because here's I usually asked
this at the end, but okay, so you already said him.
So bucket list, you gave us a male, Give us
a female that you that you haven't had a chance
to work with that you would like to and they
could be living or dead, and then give us a movie.
If you could be. No, but she she brought it up.
So I'm telling if you could be with if you

(01:30:46):
could have been in any movie that's ever been made
in history, what movie would you have liked to have
been in? It can't be one of your wrong because
you're already in those Davis movies.

Speaker 10 (01:30:56):
Good god, you guys, Well I can how.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
You either Glenn Close or Meryl Streep. Okay, for your
other question, what movie Wizard of Oz?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Oh, that's a good one. Who would you want to
be Dorothy or the Wicked Witch?

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:31:18):
I want to Dorothy Wichards from Kansas.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
You know that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
No, I think Wizard of Oz is fabulous, So I
think it's a great choice.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
Well, you know e t is kind of an arm
generation's Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Yes, it is. It's going to be here forever. Did
you was that? Was it a grueling process for you
to get cast in that? Or did you right away?

Speaker 10 (01:31:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
I went in before an auditioned for used cars.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Okay, but Steven works.

Speaker 6 (01:31:59):
Very far ahead, and he saw the quality in me
that he wanted in Mary and so Et came along.

Speaker 10 (01:32:13):
They just called and offered it to me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Oh my god, what a terrific thing man.

Speaker 10 (01:32:18):
Is, yeah, Hollywood story. You think my whole career is
kind of a Hollywood story.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
I was a school teacher in Kansas City and I said, God,
if I don't.

Speaker 10 (01:32:33):
Get out of here now, I'm never going to get
out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
So I said, I'm going to go to New York
and be an actress. And everybody said, are you kidding?
Nobody knows you. You don't know anybody. It's a wasted time.
And I said, thanks.

Speaker 10 (01:32:49):
For sharing exactly to go anyway?

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
And do you know in less than seven years I
start in et.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Oh, that's terrific.

Speaker 10 (01:33:00):
All of you out there listening.

Speaker 6 (01:33:03):
People who love you will try and hold you back
to keep you safe.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Yes, So anyway, I was like that, No, I just
think they're jealous. I mean, I have friends from when
I was young who refuse to even admit that I'm
in the business. And I explained to them, if I
were a plumber and I talked about a clock sink,
you would say, oh, that's sad. But if I talk

(01:33:34):
about a movie, you change the subject. Why do they
change the subject? A noise the hell out of me? No, really,
because I could say, oh, I have a new movie
coming out and they say, oh, listen, what do you
want to eat tonight? And I just think it's rude.
Has it ever happened to you?

Speaker 10 (01:33:52):
G No?

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
No, Well you have better friends than give me Your
friends for a numbers are from.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
Well, you know, part of this goes back to what
I teaching my healing work.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
RN.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
Go ahead tell us, well, you know this is the
way the good book put it, as you believe it's
delivered to you.

Speaker 10 (01:34:20):
So whatever your belief.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
System is, your life is going to show up for
you around that belief system. So start believing that all
your friends and acquaintances love you, and they want to
talk about your movies and what you're doing, and everybody's
interested in run.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Wait where do people go? We should let people know
where do they go to find out all that? Like,
what's your website for that?

Speaker 10 (01:34:50):
I am am? I am d Wallace dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Oh that's easy to find.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Okay, what about your family? You got kodes?

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Yes? So Donna was on our show.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
Yeah, Gabrielle Stone, I'm two time best seller. She's doing
her version of a lot of my healing work.

Speaker 10 (01:35:15):
We dodgether. She's directed me in short films.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
So but the best thing she produced for me was
my grandson.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
I knew it was going to be grandson. I knew
that was coming. First of all, I have to say.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Every grandmother loves it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
The first time we met her, because we've met her many,
many times many the first time that we met her,
she was so freaking nice, and I was like, I
was kind of fambling because I was like, oh my gosh,
you know, she's very.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Very nice, very sweet. The reason I forgot was, I'm
going this is my first time back. In two weeks,
I had I had what happens to older people from anesthesia.
I had dementia. So I'm back. I'm so happy that
I'm able to speak.

Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
My god, I don't believe you just said that that's
what's going on with my partner of eleven years.

Speaker 10 (01:36:12):
I don't believe you just said that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
He had a knee replacement. Had a knee replacement in
the anesthesia.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
No wait, I told the anesthesiologist, knock me out. I
want Michael Jackson, juice, I want every dope you've got,
I want heroine, opium, everything you have to put me out.
Well he did. For two weeks. I was hallucinating that
I was kidnapped by aliens, and that I called up
Sophia Loren and had a conversation with her.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Which all post operative delirium.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Yeah, post operative delirium. I mean I really.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
And then he couldn't take the painkillers after that because
they also gave them post office. Yes, so he had
and so he had the knee replacement with no pain killers.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
And I was an agony for weeks. So I wasn't
able to use my computer to telephone. I still don't
talk to certain people because they upset me, and I'm
not allowed to write. My doctor said, don't do that.
You have to rest and keep your mind normal. But
today's my first day back at work, and I'm so
happy that I'm back to me.

Speaker 10 (01:37:18):
I'm glad I'm a part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Oh yeah, I am too, because.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Why did you say you need to believe we said that?
So what happened to you?

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
My partner had surgery. They put him on medication. Within
one month he was exhibiting signs of dementa and one
of my other my doctors said he didn't get enough

(01:37:47):
or he got too much anesthesia during too much.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Too much, too much.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
I mean it was bad. You I know that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
I mean for me to me, that's a loss it
They said, know how much you have to have and
how much to give you?

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
You know what they said.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
They blamed it on his age. They said, it's like
older people of older people are depart by.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
How is your partner now, he's in a rehab facility
getting better?

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
And tell him he will get better in time. It
does go away and everything does come back. So encourage
him because I am, well, thank you. I'm running now
on like ninety percent of who I am.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
It was May seventh, so like it's covered in September.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
That's how long it took him to recover. A couple
of weeks ago. I had to leave the show. I
excused myself and I said, everyone excuse me, but I
don't feel well. And I left the show. That's how
bad it was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
He couldn't even sit up.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
And today is my first day back.

Speaker 10 (01:39:01):
Well, I'm glad I'm here to witness it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Ja.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
I am so glad I don't have a bitch there.
I mean, really, my head couldn't handle a bitchy broad.

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
No, I wouldn't be able to handle being a bitchy broad.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
The woman that I threw off the show came on.
She very famous singer, very extremely famous in the UK.
In the UK, she was loaded on cocaine. She was
so stoned that she was wicked, evil and mean.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I forgot about that. Actually, actually we just stopped the
little show and we didn't put out a show that
week because I didn't want to keep going because she
was so terrible. But I don't want to talk about
that because we only have ten minutes. I want to
but one more time, Let's just say we wish your partner,
you know, all the best. I know how difficult it is.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
He will get he will get better, he.

Speaker 10 (01:39:52):
Will get I will pass that on for sure, at
least do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
So let's talk a little bit about Halloween, because U
Rob Zombies Halloween day Fair. I'm a publicist, you know,
and that's how I made my living. Dake Faircat has
been a client of mine and we've had Tyler Maine's
a good friend of mine. A whole bunch of the
people from the actual movie you have been on the show,
Leslie Easterbrook, Daniel Hair actually a bunch of them. So anyway,

(01:40:17):
let's talk about Halloween. How was doing Halloween with Rob Zombie?

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:40:21):
I had so much fun. I love Rob and I
love Sherry.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
You know, every morning she brings him his health food
shake and his vitamins to this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Oh my god, that's so cute.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
Oh. I just love them both. They're down to earth.
I love working with him. He's a great director, you know.
And Halloween we had three cameras working and we would
come in and we would do the.

Speaker 10 (01:40:53):
Scene exactly as it was scripted, and.

Speaker 6 (01:40:57):
Then he'd go, all right, everybody brings and your best shit,
let's go, and everybody would just have fun and improvise
around the written scene. And that's how we Scout and
I came up with all that bagel stuff and screwing
the bagel.

Speaker 10 (01:41:19):
But we it was it was a.

Speaker 6 (01:41:22):
Challenge also because both Scout and I were really sick
for the first week that we shot, and it was
freezing where we were shooting, so we were.

Speaker 10 (01:41:38):
Okay action, we'd.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
Come alive, and so it was it was a good challenge,
but we all had a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
I absolutely like loved the movie and when it first
came out that that might have even been when I
met you when it first came out up and I
was really good friends with Tom Calls. I lived in
Florida and Tom Toles, you know, was lived in Florida,
so I used to see him in Florida all the time.
I used to do a horror movie review show called
Bride Asylum, and so he would come on our show

(01:42:11):
all the time back in the day. And I think
it's probably you know, I, I guess you're probably most
known for E E TRK.

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
But like it's really when I go to the conventions,
it's a toss up between ET Kujo and the Howling.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
I would say E T. Because ET went all over
the world and E T was a smash hit all
over the world, so you're an international star, you're not
just a local.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
But Cujo in the hell huge.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
I don't know that. I don't think it did as
well as did really well, as as well as too.

Speaker 10 (01:42:52):
Why E T isn't part of our culture?

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Yes, always, it's like the film. It's like we have
when we had our love that stephen on earlier and
he's got the monster squad which wasn't as big, you
know as ET. But it's the same kind of thing though,
Like I grew up on it and it's something that
But what.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
I liked was her performance was easy you were very
easy in that film. You were soft and you you you,
you sort of rolled along and the et was the issue,
you know, so they made that important. Oh sure, I
studied film as I want Jimmy hates. I critique every film,

(01:43:29):
and I critique all actress performances. In my mind, you were.
You were everybody's mother, everybody want. I'm sure people who
don't have mothers wanted you to be their mother.

Speaker 10 (01:43:40):
I hear that all that you do.

Speaker 6 (01:43:46):
To be your mother, because I never knew what the
hell was going on in my own home.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
You were. You were absolutely the ultimate mother. Not my mother.
My mother was a silent movie actress who was crazy. No,
my mother was wild, and so my mother was.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
I want to ask about one other film, and probably
nobody even asked you about this film. But I'm friends
with Chad Lindberg and I used to have a clothing
line called Jimmy Starr, like I had told you before.
And Tara Subkoff was in the Black Circle Boys, and
she had a clothing line that was a competition for
me at the time called Imitation of Christ. So how
was Black Circle Voice because that's like a like a

(01:44:28):
low key but a very good movie.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Movie.

Speaker 6 (01:44:34):
I have to tell you, Jimmy, I don't have a
lot of memories.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
Okay, it was so long ago.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
And I'm I'm past three hundred movies now.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Actually, your IMDb, I wrote it down, has four hundred
and sixty one credits between movies and television.

Speaker 10 (01:44:53):
And television movies. Yeah, probably.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
So how was making television? You know, because you and
same thing with Steven early. They don't have as many
made for TV movies now like they did.

Speaker 10 (01:45:03):
You know now, and I miss that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
We watch them all on to B, all the eighties
movies on TB now, But how was that getting to
do those like movie of the week type movies all
the time?

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:45:14):
I love them. I love them.

Speaker 6 (01:45:16):
And they were in the eighties where it was a
time where women played a lot of victims, right, you bet,
But I I seem to get the strong victims. There
you go, that's you now, the women who were fighting.
I love your dogging.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
That's Astro.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
That's Astro on seven pounds, son, Astro.

Speaker 10 (01:45:44):
I'm a big, huge animal lover.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
You're right. I like to name Drop because our fans
love it when I named Drop. And back in the eighties,
the Queen of getting beat up was Sheryl Ladd. She
was always getting beat up in the and killed and
husbands hiding her in the eighties, remember.

Speaker 10 (01:46:04):
And I remember her looking beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Oh she was beautiful. I mean I knew Cheryl because
I was on Charlie's Angels, but not with Cheryl. I
was on with who was on. I was on with
Parah and whatever. Anyway, she was always look of Farah
with the burning bead was good. All of those women
back then were getting beat up. You're right by their

(01:46:30):
husbands and they all running away, escaping their husbands and
not letting them know where they are and then the
husband finds them.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
You're on every single teav There's like not a TV
show of the like you know, back from then. Like
I'm looking at Starsky and Huts, Policewoman, I don't even
know what Bigfoot and wild Boy is, Hotel lou Grant,
Simon and Simon, Taxi Trapper, John Chip's Twilight Zone. The
only thing Gray's Anatomy, which is even really current, Ghostwiss
for Her Bones, Crossing, Jordan Eleenment, Bio Felicity, Nashville. Just,

(01:47:00):
I mean, you're everything. The only thing I don't know
what is his Sons and Daughters and you're in eleven
episodes And.

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
Your Daughters was a great series I did. It was
way before its time. It was one of the live
improvisation shows like The Office.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Oh wow, it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
Was the beginning of all of that. And oh it
was such a great show.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
And you also did a movie called Shadow Plan. I'm
only bringing it up because Ron was friends with Chloris
Leachman and Glenn Bagerley was in it. Glenn Baggerley's a
friend of arms from La Now.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
I miss Clora so much.

Speaker 10 (01:47:41):
Yeah, she.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Was so crazy. I loved her. Two minutes I was
going to interview her in Florida and she was at
the hotel. And when I got to the hotel, the
manager was in the hallway and there was all furniture
in the whole and I went in. I said, Cloris,
what happened? So she was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Thanks way and she looked at.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Her, you're out and put it in the hall So
they threw her out of the hotel. I had to
do her interview in the lobby. I love someone who
I adored.

Speaker 10 (01:48:17):
She was crazy, crazy and I loved her.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
She was crazy, funny, crazy. Yeah, had her granddaughter on
the show clorus. I miss Cloris a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:48:30):
Yeah this year.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Actually, Oh, so, what do you have coming up? We
have like a minute left. First of all, you guys
can follow d She's on Instagram at the d Wallace.
She's got all kinds of stuff going on. Don't want
to forget. If you're in Texas, go to the Galla
for Hope on nine twenty seven. What movies do you
have coming out next to? You know, off the top
of your Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:48:48):
My gosh, one of my favorites. It's a very weird title.
It's based on an old legend called the licked hand. Okay,
lind the lickd Hand. I'm very excited about this movie.

Speaker 10 (01:49:08):
I had a wonderful time shooting it with.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
The director and the company I I. When they offered
it to me, I went, I said, I have to
talk to the director and I said to him, you know,
I don't know if I can do this anymore. It
was kind of like another Kujo energetically, and he said,

(01:49:35):
D we'll have a stump person, we'll have a stand
in whatever you need. You need to do this role.
And I agreed, So I went in. Do you know you, guys,
I did almost.

Speaker 10 (01:49:48):
All my own stints.

Speaker 12 (01:49:50):
No I did, I did, and I the best thing
that came out of that movie is the proof that
I've still got it and I can still do it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
Anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
You definitely got it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Don't do don't do it because I knew Burt Reynolds,
and Bert Reynolds said to me he was so sorry
he did all those stunts because he had more bones,
broken springs and stuff. And that's what course Winston can't
come now. Birth thought he was. He was going to
die before his time because of his I want.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
You to know the chat room loves you second of
all the lick you guys. Send me a message on
Instagram when it comes out and we'll promote it for you.

Speaker 11 (01:50:37):
Come you back, guys, Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
All right, everybody, Sorry we ran over, but the show's over.
It was a great show today, you guys. Thanks so
much to two guests. They were fabulous and we'll see
you guys next week. Stephen a week and Wallace. Bye everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:51:03):
Jimmy, you start, you're sitting down on the anion where
every man's not drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
What are we hover you're wearing yea.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
I was apt to say, you can't we got the
girtys like that. What's great to Jimmy.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
We got myself the longest.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
How you don't want to know you, Josie, is that
plus of Jimmy rage and you don't want.

Speaker 13 (01:51:30):
To want to be Jimmy stop.

Speaker 10 (01:51:31):
So never take you out

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