Tom Gore/ Andrew Eborn

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Speaker 2 (00:29):
GIMMEI contective crazy, gave me you don't want to know?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Please give me stop? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Everybody?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Welcome to the Jimmy Stars Show with Ron Russell, bringing
you the good times in music, fashion, pop culture and entertainment.
And we're happy to be here. This is going to
be our last show till September. We'll be back the
first Wednesday in September and we're taking two weeks off
and so this is our last show. It's going to
be a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (01:22):
We haven't say last show.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Our last show before we come back in September, and
we have a two great guests.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
Last start.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
We have we have actor director of producer Tom Gore
coming on, and then we have futurists, lawyer, barrister, broadcaster
host Andrew Eborn from the UK, So it should be
a lot of fun. I think it'll be a lot
of fun. Let me first start off by introducing my
cool Outrageous Men about Town co host and astro.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Hello everybody. Yeah, tomorrow we're going on an airplane going
to the East Coast. And I don't want to say
it's all where show. I'm superstitious. What can I tell you?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's okay, it's our last show until September third, I
think it's our next one we come back.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
But you'll still see us on social media doing stuff.
So it should be a lot of fun. Uh chatroom,
not too many people in there yet, but we want
to say hi. Stefan Bella is in there and he's
been working a lot on all our different YouTube channels,
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you guys that were working on so check them all out.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
This is Astro.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
He's like me, a person that is like Jimmy saw this.
Jimmy saw that. I mean so much. He's so much.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well, that's what it's called when you have a brandy
and so and it's working. In the meantime, you guys
also follow us on our social media. Yeah, Ron's under
the weather today.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
I'm feeling very well and that flight tomorrow is very
long and I hope I make it getting weak now,
you'll make it's recovering from that stupid whatever it is
I had, and it goes right.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Cindy lady like just joined us. What's up, Cindy? How
are you?

Speaker 8 (03:23):
Like?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I said Stefan bell Is in the chat room, Astro's
looking at me funny from the corner. I don't know
what's up with I guess he's that because we're not
like playing with him up here on the show.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And uh.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, So do you want to have anything you would
like to report or not? Because it's what you usually do.
The first couple of minutes and you report on something.

Speaker 8 (03:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Good shows to watch you guys. Wednesday just came back
on on Netflix season two. They're doing four episodes and
then another four episodes in September. The first season was phenomenal.
We have when we come back, we have fun things
to look forward to. The Clown Motel three premiere is
going to be coming up where Ron plays General Milan.

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He looks great in the film. Then we also have
I can't.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
Wait for this film to be over, in and out.
I'm sick of it.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Hollywood Halloween Hotness then is also coming up. That's actually
on the same day as the clom Hotel three premiere.
Lots of fun events that I'll be coming in the
fall once it gets cooler again. To the one hundred
and fourteen degrees here today and it was like to
die for yesterday. It was just it was unbelievably terrible.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Ask to stop? Okay stop.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
I think a Clown Motel Three Ways to Hell is
the biggest publicity of any film yet. There are over
one hundred and fifty actors playing clowns, evil clowns, and
the cast and everybody's putting their two sunset and advertising
this movie. So what you're going to see in the

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next coming it's all about clown Hotel three, and you know,
I wish the producer would understand that more. It's not better.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
So it's going to be a hit though because of that,
so many people, so many people watching.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
Plan it's a clowns ends. No one's ever seen so
many evil killer clowns. So you know that the arms
and the legs are going to be flying around and
blood and guts and beating up.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
It is a horrible It's going to be fun though.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
I'm in the I'm in the whole beginning of the movie,
and that's the good part.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
We don't even know what happens at the end part
because we didn't stay for the shooting of that. We
were just there for it run.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
I shot my stuff is all the beginning of the movie,
and then I left. We came home, So I don't
know what goes on. I don't even know how it ends.
Any one of those movies.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
It's going to be fun, I think so. I think
it'll be a lot of fun actually, So we want
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We're in our nineteenth year, I think, and we can't.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
I'm only twining right.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
And labels.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Let's talk about labels.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
You hate them?

Speaker 10 (06:41):
I hi buy T shirts, the sleeping and the T
shirts are all designed T shirts.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
No when you sleep and then you get attacked by
a label. The label is usually that big, it's a
thing hanging from it. What are they nuts?

Speaker 8 (07:03):
What you like?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
When they have to put the manufacturer and the where
we're okay, well, what gets the shit? I just want
the T shirt so I could go to sleep. Also,
dress shirts, they have to put their name someplace, these
egotistical designers. So you put the shirt on and you
don't realize that hanging from the back of the shirt
it's an eight inch label with the guard's name on it. Assholes.

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That's what they should have it for his name, asshole.
If it was asshole, I'd wear the label. So all
I do is got my scissors and I cut the
label out. Now, in cutting out the label, I've cut
the garments, so now I have a big hole where
there was that. The asshole's name is now a hole.

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You do not win. You just don't win.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I don't worry. It doesn't They don't bother me as
much as they bother you. But some of them are
actually really big in the corners are sharp, and so
they like stick you and Ron can't see. Ron can't
stand that, so it's not any fun.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
So what they want to have on now has a
label right in the front, on the right side of
where your belly is. Who's going to see that? Like
somebody's going to take my shirt off and look and say, oh,
I see your label.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
No, I did mine smart, So when I used to
do my clothing line, I put the label on the
front right here where everybody could see it. But it
didn't stick you in the back, so it worked out nice.
And if you didn't want people to see it, if
you tucked it in and wouldn't see it, so it
was fun. Those were fun times a long time ago,
but those were fun times.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
People are complaining about the labels. So now manufacturers are
getting smart and they're printing the label in the fabrin.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, instead of actually sewing in a label.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
And it's cheaper, of course effective and makes me happy,
you think.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So, B Claudia just joined us. What's up? Be hello
from Germany. Sydy lay party Sunday at least we did
Jennifer Jennifer James being Ballard and we saw.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Him being ballad and they had the air conditioning on,
Like I really, icicles were forming.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
To speak up a little? Do you have to speak
up a little?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
I think this is what this is what I've got.
Can you hear me out there? Because my voice is
got anyway.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So we were in Los Angeles, you guys, and the party,
and so when we left the desert it was one
hundred and nine degrees and I think it.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Was two d eighteen.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
No, it wasn't one hundred eighteen on Saturday Sunday.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
It was one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was Saturday that we went. It was one hundred
and nine, but it was seventy in LA. So there
was a thirty nine degree difference between LA.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
And air conditioning on. So cold that maybe that's why
I don't feel them. I might have caught the flu
or some shit or a cold. They've gotten the cold
and I had to go out and sit in the
patio where they were smoking pot and I don't smoke
pot and I don't care for people that do because

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they make no sense and laugh like they is a
very stupid So I have to say.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
In the hats and it was freezing, it was cold.
It was good though, And Jennifer, James and Ming and
I will have a big announcement with with Cydy Lady
Lake coming very very soon, I think really soon by
the time we come back. Actually, so everything is going
good and we've got some big announcements coming up for
lots of great things that you guys think are going

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to like a lot. So we can go ahead and
bring on our first guest. Because our first guest is here.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
What does it mean when our guest is here? I
talked about it the next one.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Okay, Hey, Tom, how are you doing?

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Jimmy Ron?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Hey, how are you great? Good? I sound like I'm
I know you know your voice is very low. I
don't sit at that party.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
Because of the potheads anyway, So let's.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Do it now that we know we can hear you,
and let's proper proper introduction. Hey, everybody, now we want
to welcome to the Jimmy Star Show with Ron Russell, actor,
director of producer Tom Gore. Hello, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
Gentlemen, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
So this is my cool, outrageous man about town who's
a little under the weather. Ron Russell, you sound great one.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
I don't know you.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
No, we've never met. We've never met you look like
Oh I know, well actually too like he's he's we
know all the same people, just that we've not met him.
So he's been in a lot of the well he
looks now.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I know.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
He's a fantastic creative.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Let me see your profile, turn sideways.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
No, you don't look like you look Joe.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, me and Joe looking alike.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
No, you don't. Joe has a hook nose that he
could get a whale. If he's over into the ocean,
he could hook a whale anyway.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
What he's tuned into this too.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
I've never seen a hook nose like this. His nose
is so hooked. How is he when he breeds? If
his mouth is open, the food comes out and goes no,
we're gonna get shut up.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
So I want to first of all say, because I
was informed this morning that today is your fiftieth birthday.
Oh we're going to keep that quiet.

Speaker 8 (12:35):
Please, I'm funny birthday.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's just your birthday, so happy birthday. We want to
say happy birthday. Thanks for coming on our show on
your birthday. We appreciate it. I'm excited because we have
a lot of the same friends, and I think it'll
be a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
I enjoy the fiftieth birthday because I can remember when
I was so stupid when I turned fifty. I said, oh, nobody,
don't wish for you to have your birthday. I'm fifty now,
maybe five, and all I want them to do is say,
thank Todd, You're alive. Happy birthday. So you see, we're
never happy already.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
No, No, it is. It's a it's a process. You
got to keep going through each stage.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
I mean, I wish I wish I were fifty. Oh boy,
I wish I could be like you now and say yes,
it's our birthday. I will. I'm going to do that. Yes,
Tom it said, hey, he's our birthday. We're both fifty.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yes, so you guys continue. You can follow Tom on Instagram.
He's at tom Understore, Underscore, Gore Understore, Underscore Actor on Instagram.
So where are you actually calling us from.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
I'm in Fable, North Carolina, where dreams go to die.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I'm in fable, North Carolina, where dreams go to die.
But I thought they used to make a lot of
stuff in North Carolina, like all those like Dawson's Creek
and all that shit.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
Yes, we had out in Wilmington, which is two hours away.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Uh huh.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
And you know the deal LA two hours is just
going for one student the next studio. But out here
in North Carolina, it's a two hour drive, as the
crow flies. And that's where like One Tree Hill, Dawson's Creek,
Iron Man three movie, all that stuff's made in Wilmington.
We've got a lot of productions in Charlotte, which is
just Atlanta North. Yes, and there's a lot of mid

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level studios doing stuff. And you know, there's enough fortune
five hundred companies in the Research Triangle area that I
will continue getting work as the bad guy on every
industrial promotion, hiring counseling, quarterly meeting video that they keep
in house.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
There you go, that's good though. At least you're working
that way. Yeah. I love One Tree Hill. That was
one of my favorite shows back in the day and
I got on a couple episodes were you really Oh?
I love that? And Chad Michael Murray. He's somebody who
I always have on my list, Like if I have
a role available for any films I'm producing, I always
want to get him, you know, in one him because

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I really like him a lot, and I like his wife.
His wife. I forgot who his wife is now, but
his wife is somebody really big too, like him. I
figured out a.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Long time ago why our business is not what it
was years ago. Years ago, we have ten studios period.
Today we have everybody that's twisted, definitely twisted out of
their minds to be producers. Who would in their right
mind choose the job of being a producer.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
It is. It is a hard calling.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
I mean, years ago, the studio gave you the job,
gave you to the script and the money.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
First of all, there's over eleven million actors on IMDb.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
So that's how I think we've ruined the business. Every
shit had, every asshole, every more on every so many
of the egoistical people I've met. I just got in
a movie. I gave him ten thousand dollars and I'm
going to be in the movie and I'm going to
have all my friends over when the movie plays. This
is a Sickness was a paper pay per view.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Now you're talking about indiegogo film, Yeah, Kickstarter Indiegogo. I
don't take too many of them get done on Kickstarter.
I think they were on Indiegogo.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
But I think people don't know how to act. They
don't know where thelight is or a mock and it
shows because a professional actor is out there doing his
thing and the moron is over there looking out the window.
So I'm very against it. I like, I'm I'm in
the business sixty five years, so I like it when
it was craft and it was done by the best

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people who took all of their heart and soul and
put it into the film.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
And you can tell I absolutely. I want to like
go a little bit into your background before we talk
about because literally we have like when you have films
that you're in, we're like almost the entire cast has
been on our show and that we're friends with them. Yeah.
I was looking at my watch, going it's about time guys. Yeah, so,

(17:05):
but I think that so you have a like I
think you were in the military, right.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
Yes, I did twenty years in the Army. I retired
as a Chief worn Officer as an APACHE A LONGO
helicopter pilot with three tours in Afghanistan. One tour and
I wracked during the surge over two thousand hours of
flight time, most of it in combat, and got to
do some really cool stuff, some really bad stuff, a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I'm I'm a publist. Well I'm going to go back
to the helicopter then, because I'm a publicist and one
of my clients was a helicopter guy in the military too,
and now he's like a helicopter guy. He does like
medical emergency stuff, you know with it, like can you
still fly a helicopter, Like if you were going to
be in a movie, could you fly a helicopter?

Speaker 8 (17:50):
Or yes, yes, that's cool. You got to give me
a couple of rehearsal takes. Yeah, you know, make sure
I can fly it right, because it will not be
I will guarantee it will not be my last flight.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Because I'm working on a movie called The Washington Triangle.
We're going to probably change the name, and in it,
there's like a scene where there's like I think there's
a helicopter crash. But they're doing it all like in
like this thing against a screen and everything. But I
don't know if we need a pilot. But if we
need a pilot, you can make it look right, it
look it believable, So I think it would be fun.

(18:26):
Then I also read though, didn't you like play football
at like in your forties?

Speaker 8 (18:30):
I did, sir. After I got out of the Army,
I started acting. I started taking classes, workshops, improv training,
going to every bit I could get. I've actually auditioned
to join the Juilliard. I actually got to go to
the Juilliard, where they only invite two hundred people. I
did not get to be selected that year as one
of the sixteen because it's a process. We know it's process.

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Just the fact that I got to there, I'm like, okay.
And then I realized that there was a a training
gap in technology that I didn't have. So I went
to Metheist University got in their graphic design program, and
that taught me everything about Adobe, Photoshop, after effects, in design, premiere, everything,

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so that way I could make digitally instead of going
VCR to VCR reel, the reel cutting, taping every actual
film together, and actually use a nonlinear editor to make
a movie. Doing so, I went to the coach and
had to go through if I was even still eligible
to play football.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, because you're older than everybody else.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
And there's life experiences that can disqualify you. I happen
to be sheltered from those life experiences that would disqualify
you by being in the army and other countries and
dodging bullets and bombs and rockets on my So I
got to play four years of D three level NCAA football.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
This one right, You're the older year in your forties
and everybody else is like twenty.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Yeah, I was at the time the oldest guy playing.
And when I retired, well, when I when I graduated,
I was forty six years old. I got interviewed by
UH Sports Illustrated, which is great. I'm like, you guys
gotta be kidding me, and I thought pretty much my
football career was guaranteed over it. There's no team is

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going to draft out of the D three and forty
six years old. I got called by a headhunter over
in Europe to see if I can play football in Europe.
I'd have to go get my master's degree to get
over there, right.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
I have to interrupt, bring it on. I feel like
throwing up.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
He's sick, he's on not well, but he didn't want
to miss a flu.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
I have to go on.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Did you get up?

Speaker 6 (20:51):
No? Oh, sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Folks.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
There you go, all right, we'll keep going. We keep going.
The show must go on. So okay, So.

Speaker 8 (21:01):
I go to England. When I try to go to England,
COVID hits they're not taking international transfers. I got to
wait a year. Head under calls me up next year
and says, hey, you want to try it again, and
I'm like sure, So we talked to a few of
the head coaches in England. I get selected to go
and get my master's a Lufbero University. We went a

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national championship undefeated, so I got this big stinking ring
sitting around here somewhere. And then I got to play
for the Nottingham Caesars and it was another so i'm
and we went all the way up to the semi
finals before our first loss. So in European play, I'm

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twenty three and one and I retired from football at
forty eight.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
There you go. So that was a pretty impressive thing.
And probably something that really nobody has done.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
Yeah, and I just saw Angel Studios put Michael Chickliss
in the senior and I'm like, how close is that
to actual my real life?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Which is fun? Actually I got any better hair than
Michael Chickliss. Yeah, that's right, she doesn't have any. So
what did you?

Speaker 4 (22:15):
What did you?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
How did you decide? How did you decide on the
whole like acting thing? From all of that?

Speaker 8 (22:21):
Oh that was that was one of those epiphanies. In
the Army, I did a lot of destruction, a lot
of ruin, a lot of bad, make it worse, get it,
you know, destruction.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's your job. You win.

Speaker 8 (22:40):
And when I got out and I was like, I
can't keep doing that. I can't do that to myself.
I can't do that to my soul. What is the
exact opposite side of the spectrum? Creating and acting has
been quite cathartic. In the process of creating, you create
a different character, You create a different world, create a
different story. And that is in my fueling drive.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
To uh in the whole process.

Speaker 8 (23:05):
Whether I'm whether I'm writing, producing, acting, directing, whatever portion
of the story I'm telling.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Right, I think that solen. How did you because you
know you do a lot of horror movies. Were you
a horror movie fan before you started doing them?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (23:22):
No, No, I am a sci fi guy. I okay.
My younger my younger study of personal time was brad
Berry and Asimov.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So what are some of the favorite like movies as
a youngster or growing up or things that had an
influence on you to want to get into all of this.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
Krull Oh wow, the Old Star Trek gyas Stock Because
the philosophy behind where humanity can go is what makes
that so endearing? You know, right now the popular culture
is this dystopey in Wasteland, the zombies, the fallout, the

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humanity is ruined Earth, and and right now it's it's trending,
it's clique, it's it's the thing to do. And I'm waiting,
fighting at the hip to just when is it going
to get back to where humanity can achieve greatness?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Where can it go forward? Positively? Shows like Foundation, I've
never even seen that show.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
It's it's on Apple. There's a shameless plug for Apple
Plus You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Hey, that's okay, you can plug them. I was trying
to like on on our show. We've had several people
from Star Trek on, but I can't think of who
it was, but.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
The original star Oh, there's not so many left of them.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Now. You got Bill Walter, Oh, this is a long
time ago. We had him on, not lately we had.
We had Walter kne Go on. Walter's awesome and well
maybe the other one that we had on was from
the newer one. She has blonde hair. I forgot her name.

(25:09):
That terrible Jerry Ryan. No, not Jerry Ryan. But I
know who that I forgot who they. I guess Walter.
I guess Walter is the only one from the original
Star Trek that's been on. And then we've had a
couple of people from the Patrick Stewart Star Trek too.
But I'm all about the Captain Kirk Star Trek Crol.
I don't think I've ever even seen I know what

(25:29):
it is, but I don't think i've ever seen it.
I'm more of the horror guy though that I am
a sci fi guy, even though I like to make
a movie with aliens.

Speaker 8 (25:37):
Yeah, but with the name like Gore, I'm automatically included
in a lot of horror conversations.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, how did that actually come about? Like, is that
your real name or did you come up with that
name all seven letters?

Speaker 8 (25:52):
I blame my parents.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
So did they like horror movies?

Speaker 8 (25:57):
No? No, My mother was in the Air Force, my
father was in the Air Force. They were not horror fans.
She was like a rom com junkie if she liked
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Do you watch horror movies at all? I mean, because
you've done a lot of them.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
I do. It's like and in horror is so wide
an umbrella? Yes, So when you watch the new Predator movie, yes,
it's horror, but it's also sci fi. Right when you
watch Aliens Earth, it's horror, but it's also sci fi.

(26:37):
So it's there's a lot of cross bending. Or is
it really horror in a sci fi setting? Or is
it sci fi in a horror setting? So like, there's
a lot of slasher stabby movies. You know, dude in
the Mass runs around kills. Co Ed's not inventive. I'm

(26:57):
probably not gonna waste that two hours of my life.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
If you've got it's funny. I like some of those
because I'm a big scream fan and I actually have
my own film. But it's it's got an actual plot,
not somebody just going around killing somebody. But I have
a you know, one that we're working on now that
it's different, which I can't tell anybody the difference until
we make it. But it has to have a plot. Yeah,
it has a plot. I like that too better. Like

(27:23):
I have a lot of respect for like the terrifying
movies just for what they've accomplished financially. But like those movies,
like the stories are terrible, and basically it's really just
you know, how much all the different ways you can
kill somebody.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
I think, you know, as a guy who's done a
lot of horror movies and effects when you're watching the
old research movies like Friday thirteenth, two, three, four, and five,
the effects team is driving that movie because they're inventing
the next special effect death sequence. You know, whoever's playing
Jason has got to you know, look the part. But

(27:59):
it's the effects team pulling off the stunts, the moolage kid,
the body parts, the right and that that is the
real work in the movie. And I'll watch a movie
to see where is the work being done to show
us something new?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, and sometimes you get something new and sometimes you don't.
I'm actually doing a film with Adam Marcus from Jason
Goes to Hell and he's the director and the writer
and he's going to be directing the film that we're
working on soon. And I think we've had almost almost
every person who ever played Jason has been on the
show and in my collection, so I collect action figures,

(28:39):
and I have a six foot like a six foot Jason.
I have like a seven foot Crampis. I have all
the animatronical things you know in my collection, but I
like that a lot. I basically get the action figure
of anybody who comes on the show if they have one,
and if they have a bunch of action figures, I
get all of them.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Oh my, I don't have any yet. I'm I'm almost
I'm almost there. That that claw.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Is on the on the ladder rung. There you go.
I like like it. So let's talk about some of
the stuff that you've actually like done, because we've had
so many of these people come on. First of all,
First of all, I think that I just saw on
Facebook I think it was today, because you have a
film Kill Giggles that you're in and Kill Giggles, I

(29:25):
think is getting ready to come out in like a week.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
Or two on August twenty six, Kill Giggles A.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
We we take the clown killing story and.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
Turn it on its head.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I like love it are the victims. Oh that's cool,
that's something different. Yeah, Kill Giggles.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
And I say that without spoiling anything.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
No, that's not a spoil because that's actually the name
of the title. Like after you really think I wasn't
thinking about it because it's got a great fund on
the cover that they poster that they put out. But
if you actually read the title, I didn't even even
put that together until you said that. But kill Giggles
is the name of the title. You know it's got
a clown on the front of it. So I happened
to like clown movies. Ron's done a whole bunch of them.

(30:15):
He's done Clown Fear, he did Clown Motel two and three.
He has Clowny getting ready to come out. He has
all kinds of these clown movies, and he doesn't really
like them so much anymore. But I just wanted to
bring it up to support it since it's a film
that you have coming out Kill Giggles. And also I
have a film right now on to be that I

(30:36):
produced called The Beast Inside and it stars Vernon Wells,
and Vernon Wells is in kill Giggles.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Yes, he's actually the titular character.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
And then Felicia Rose is in it. And Ron did
a movie called A Big Freaking Rat, and Felicia Rose
was in that one. And Denny Nolan, who's in all
the clown Motel movies, is in it. And you're in it,
and you're on the show. Give it a little plug.
So I don't have the trailer for it because I
didn't see that until today. It's a small circle. But

(31:06):
so so how was it working with Vernon Wells? He
told some great stories with us when we were on set.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
I actually did not get my scenes and Vernon scenes
did not coexist in the same shooting time.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, that happens a lot.

Speaker 8 (31:20):
So I did not get any personal one on one
time with Vernon on this project. I'm sure in the
future it will be because it is, as you can,
as you've already described, it's a very small circle.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yes, oh yeah, it was only a matter of time,
you know, kind of like through me that we haven't
man which we should say, we want to thank Matt Chasing,
one of the coolest guys in Hollywood who doesn't even
live in Hollywood, for setting this up. But Matt Chason
is such a great guy. I have a great rapport
with him and has really put some great guests on

(31:51):
our show. So let's go to some of the films
then that I know that we've I also made a
list just so we can talk about all the different
things that you've actually we've been in. But uh, oh,
I think I wrote one thing. I'm the wrong person.
But so Desert Fiends and I want to bring it
up because there's a Desert Themes and I think Desert
Fiends too is going to be coming out soon right now,

(32:14):
and those are both Oh my god, I'm having a
brain fart. Sean Phillips, John Phillips, Yes, he's been on
our show. I couldn't think of his name, sorry, Sean. Actually,
before I ever knew he made film, so I used
to follow him on YouTube for his like DVD update
show or whatever. He's got a really popular show. Every
Tuesday he goes and gets whatever DVDs come out and

(32:36):
he does a YouTube channel on it. And uh so
Desert Fiends.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Eric Roberts, by Ling, Michael Pere, Scout Taylor Compton, Spencer Breslin,
Tom Arnold, Robert Losardo, William McNamara, Lisa Wilcox, Eileen Dietz,
Sean Phillips, Brett Wagner, Paul Gunn.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
You.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, So basically in that film, we've actually had Peric Roberts,
We've had Robert Losardo a couple of times, William McNamara,
Lisa Wilcox, Isley Indeed, Sehn Phillips, Brett Wagner, and Paul Gunn.
So we've had almost everybody and you on the show.
It's a great an all star cast for like a
low budget film in the desert, and it was hot

(33:18):
as hell, right.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Nelson, ghost Town has has never heard of the words
air conditioning.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Oh, I believe it, because we shot clm Motel in
the desert too and it was freaking hot. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:31):
They shot what is it, clim Motel three right after.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Desert Fiends too.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
Like half the set was already involved, all the people
and they just migrated over as soon as soon as
one was wrapping, the other lit up and I was like,
oh no, I'm going back North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Guys.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
This heat I've done three weeks out here.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I have a day. Yeah, we were only on Clime
Motel three for like four days, I think. But it
was it was hot and I live in the desert
it because we live in Pump Springs, so we're used
to hot. But it was, you know, really hot. And
Ron was eighty four when he shot it. You know,
it's pretty hot to be walking around out you know,
because he's not a clown. He plays General Milan. But

(34:12):
it was a lot of fun. So what I thought
we would do is play the trailer for Desert Fiends,
so everybody I can get an idea what it's, what
it's about. Do you know the story? Can you tell
us a little bit about it?

Speaker 8 (34:22):
H Dessert Fiends one, I cannot tell you anything about
the story. I apologize.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's okay. Have you seen it?

Speaker 8 (34:29):
Actually, No, that's a lie. It's it's it's uh, there's
a toxic waste dump that mutates some people out into
the wasteland and they go on a killing spree when
their territory gets invaded by a concert.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
So while we're gonna play the one that says Desert
Fiends trailer, you introduce it for us and we'll be
right back. You hang on, No, you introduce it for us.
Tom introduce the trailer for it, and then you hang
on and we'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
Gentlemen, please stand by for the trailer to Desert Fiends.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Here you go. That was good.

Speaker 11 (35:15):
If I was such a big loser, how would I
have managed to score six of the hottest tickets in town.
There's a very exclusive, very lit music festival that takes
place out in the middle of the Nevada Desert.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Wonderful.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
I heard about the festival through the grapevine.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I know a shortcut. You turn right over there on
the dirt road. You'll save forty minutes. What a bunch
of idiots, Yes they.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Are breaker breaker shit Shay, it's Papa Bear.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Good news. As you roll, don't.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
You Your face can.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Even better now.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
We're gonna eat for a long time.

Speaker 12 (36:26):
H h.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
So there you go. That's the first one.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I like.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Love it. It's so fun to watch because I know
everybody there that's in it.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
It's good when you see your friends do fun things.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I know absolutely so. In the chat room, we have
this great lady. Her name is Bee Claudia. She's a
friend of the show. She lives in Germany. She wrote
down that we had we had Adrianne Wilkinson, but she
was in Star Trek Renegades. She played ex sing. I
don't know what the hell that means. And we also
had Tracy Lee Koco who was like Lieutenant j. And

(37:14):
we also had I looked up the other one. I
couldn't think of it. I thought she was in the
old Star Trek. But Denise Crosby from the Next Generation,
Tasha Yar, yes, so oh. And we also had a guy. Oh,
I bought his action figure actually after he came on
the show. Now I forgot, but he's in the Next
Generation also, now I forgot his name. But I think
it's a lot of fun. So I love I have

(37:37):
a lot of Captain Picard action figures just because I
like him. I think he's fun. So then you went
to Desert Themes too. Now that's the one that just shot,
like the one we did Climate tellway, when's that one
coming out?

Speaker 8 (37:51):
You know, I'm thinking it should be out January February timeframe.
I'm not one hundred percent sure. I know there's a process.
I know that there's still actually editing it right now.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
So we got Eric Roberts, Robert Carodine, Robert Lesardo. I
love Robert Losardo. He's like one of the coolest guys ever.
Martin Kleba, who's in Clown Hotel Bowling, Brett Wagner, Douglas Tate,
Cato Klin, and Adrian dev and you we actually met
Robert Lasardu. Do you know who the Maha brothers are?
I do rest in peace? Yes, rest in Peace. So

(38:25):
we go to all their premieres and they're great guys
and they've always invite us, and so he was at
the I don't know'st content there. They did Bloodthirst I
think at the premiere and Robert Loasarda was there and
I was actually kind of like nervous to talk to him,
just because you know, he plays really terrible people and

(38:49):
he's the nicest guy ever. We've talked to him. He
watches Turner classic movies and he's been on the show
a bunch of times, and we talked on the phone
all the time, and he's just one of the coolest
guys in Hollywood.

Speaker 13 (38:59):
He really is for some but he looks so intimidating
it makes it so easy to be a bad guy
on screen if you're a real nice guy in real life, yes,
because no one expects it out of you.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And he's the nicest guy really you'll ever you'll ever meet. Like,
I was super impressed and just really love it. And
I'm going to use him in some films coming up
that we're producing. And so I think so, So you're
also a director because I saw you directed something. I
wrote it down for sixty seconds to Live. I don't
know what it is.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
Uh, there was a series of short films in the
sixty seconds category. It's really sixty second short films' sixty
seconds to die, sixty seconds to die, two sixty seconds die,
threes sixty seconds to live. And it was a series
of them, and I directed a couple of shorts and

(39:50):
submitted them.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh there you go, okay.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
And it's so hard to tell a one minute story,
it really is. It is its own art.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Never tried to do that before.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
You know how commercial producers commercial directors have a certain
mentality about them. They got two hundred and seventy words,
thirty seconds, six to eight shots, and that's the commercial.
And somehow you have to say the client's name seven
times to get your commercial bought and skill to the
clients who gets out there. Just flip that on its edge.

(40:27):
You get sixty seconds, you get a little.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Bit better dialogue.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
But it mostly about somebody screaming to death in the
last ten seconds of their life. And it's it's difficult.
It's a challenge, and I like the challenge.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
So I've never tried to do that. I have participated
in those like forty eight hour film festival things and
stuff like that before, and that's seven minutes. That was
pretty difficult. Yeah, that was difficult, but like a minute
is like no time whatsoever. That's cool though. So so
those are sixty seconds to die. Yours was sixty seconds
to live, but there's sixty seconds to die one, two,

(41:03):
and three.

Speaker 8 (41:03):
Yes, and I have I've directed Shwortzen those as well.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Oh okay, oh that's cool.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Also. You also have another film, Skate the Hell, and
that one we've had almost everybody on too, and a
lot of the same people are in that one, and
I think this one looks like a lot of fun.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
Oh it is time.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
James Duvall, Robert Carodine, Jenna Jamison, Todd Bridges, Spencer Breslin,
Robert Losardo, Brett Wagner, Douglas Tate, Scott Schwartz, Lisa Wilcox,
Oliver Robbins, and Eileen Deets, of which you know, we've
had James Dufall, Eric Roberts, Robert Losardo, Brett Wagner, Douglas Tate,
Scott Schwartz, Lisa Wilcox, and Eileen Deats, So we had

(41:45):
most of them. How was it to work with? Because
Spencer Breslin, isn't he that he's the kid from like
two and a half Men or something, isn't he?

Speaker 8 (41:53):
I do believe you're correct. I did not. My scenes
were not with him the times I was on set
for that. We have, uh, only some of those people
on the list.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Okay, I love like Brett Wagner, and he's Texas Chancell,
On Massacred Douglass, everybody. Brett is great.

Speaker 8 (42:11):
I talked to I get I get a chance to
hang out with him every film set I'm on with
him somehow I get to hang out. Yeah, dude's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
He's really a lot of fun. He's been on the
show and I follow him in all his social media.
He signs autographs every freaking weekend.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
Yeah, he's he gets around, he's talking to the fans. Uh,
he's he's quite prolific for a reason. It's because he's
genuinely a great guy.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, he's a good guy. And he also knows that
the you know, if it wasn't for the fans, he
wouldn't be as popular as he is. And he respects that.
And and I like that with that every actor who
does that, which most of these actors do. FeliCa Rose
is really good with the fans. Ye do a show together? Yes,

(42:55):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
FeliCa and they do do a podcast showed together where
they talk about all things horror and what's coming next.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, they're really just they're really good people. I like
them a lot. So I want to play the trailer
for Skate to Hell. Now, Skate to Hell already out
or not? Uh No, it's coming out soon. Okay.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
It's like an any day now kind of thing, but
I don't know what day it is.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
All right, So we're gonna, Hey, Mom, we're gonna do
the one that says Skate to Hell, but you introduce
it for us, and this time say your name and
then introduce it.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
Ladies, gentlemen, I'm Tom Gore. And you're about to watch
the trailer for Skate to Hell.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
They're good at that. Who is ready to be shocked
and amazed?

Speaker 8 (43:37):
A meanie miney?

Speaker 11 (43:44):
Yeah, it's got holy power people straight down, even.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
The fucking powers.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Huh, I'm so scared.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Welcome to your favorite game show.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Eight Room from Hell. He's in his own personal hell.

Speaker 11 (44:05):
Now he might be back by I still haven't figured
out how it works.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
It appears my son may be in danger. I must
visit the Earth's Service.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Sort this thing out.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Obviously I had to take how to New Form? Do
you believe I could walk among.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Piflings the new look Suitsy?

Speaker 4 (44:25):
We're here for one reason and one reason holy, to
find my thoughts.

Speaker 12 (44:29):
Yet my name is Howise, But downstairs they call me
oh good?

Speaker 3 (44:37):
So where can I crash for the night?

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Get rid of this saying?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Whoever owned this before burns churches and worship Satan.

Speaker 12 (44:44):
I want to be good, but it's so fun to
be bad.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Anyone else you're getting charged up around here?

Speaker 6 (45:03):
Are you all in.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Your looks as hell? Thanks for going to see lowder
Craft is here. When you're a lightweight, it looks like shit.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
If he.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Really John, you.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Got me into this, didn't you?

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Maybe you can get me out?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
And then what Jojo Mo?

Speaker 6 (45:34):
You think those beers are here?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Great? Gets full of five?

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Telve year old? What?

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Why life come to Petburg? Is not that crazy?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Check that out at the local library. You'll be jets
for your sins.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
He's ruining my film experience.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I can't believe that old dusty fool Jim seems to
respect to making films. Who want to watch Google like this?

Speaker 4 (45:54):
You're not be insane?

Speaker 6 (45:58):
Money is Home.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I think that looks like the cutest movie ever. It's
a comedy. I love to see Mason reeson there. I
don't know if you're old. Mason Reese was a huge
child actor back in the day. I don't know what
he was in. But and I also love to see
the the ghost Face guy now Lee Waddell. He was

(46:23):
on our show last year.

Speaker 8 (46:25):
Funny dude. Dude is fantastic. He's got a billion stories.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Oh no, I'm a big It's funny because like I
love all the people who play the characters, you know,
like we've had Pinhead on, and we've had Freddy Krueger,
and we've had actually, we've had three different pinheads on,
but the main one was Doug Bradley. Yeah, Doug's had
all the Senate bytes, you know, we've had all the
Center bytes on actually to So this show is eighteen

(46:50):
years old. And when I first started this show, I
was a clothing designer. I dressed everybody and I would
take clothes to conventions and introduce myself and invite them
to the room and if they like stuff, you know,
as long as I could take pictures, you know, I
would give them the clothes. And they all loved the clothes.
And that's how I built the show, you know, because

(47:11):
then we would become friends. The show had only been
on the air for about two months, and I had
like Malcolm mcdowll and Lance Hendrickson and all these huge
people you know, coming on the show, and that's really
helped build the show a lot, like right off the bat,
you know, because most podcasts start and they're unable to
get really big people. And we had you know, Gary Wright,
dream weaver. Gary Wright was our first one of our
first music guests, Expose, who had sold.

Speaker 14 (47:34):
Like millions of records as of this girl group and
so but basically that's how I did it, is I
would like, you know, go to conventions and meet the
people and give them clothes and take pictures and use
them to you know, sell my clothing line.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
And they all loved it, and then they all came
on the show and we blew up really fast. You know.
We were doing a million a million views a week,
you know, within like four months or something, which was
pretty big back in the day. And we didn't even
have I have a thing called They didn't even call
it podcast. When we started. It was a radio show.
We didn't have podcasts. So it's been a fun evolution.

(48:08):
Now we have one point three billion streams and we're
having fun and every week we bring on just different,
you know, kinds of people. I always go to Matt.
We're getting ready to go on vacation, and I was like, Matt,
I know you've got somebody good for me. And he's like,
have you had Tom Goren? I said no, I don't
exactly know who he is. And then I looked you
up and I was like, oh, yeah, he'd be great
because we like know all the same people. It is

(48:31):
a small world.

Speaker 8 (48:32):
That's it. I hope I'm not closing the loop on it.
I'm just another cog in the wheel.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Oh no, you're definitely not closing the loop on it.
So do you watch any horror movies? Like, have there
been horror movies growing up that you actually watched and liked?
Oh well, that is the question. Watched?

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Yes, right, maybe so much? And sometimes like if I
watched a movie when I was younger not so young,
and now I do watch it with three different sets
of eyes, yes, So you know, back then I probably.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Didn't like it at all because I didn't get it.

Speaker 8 (49:11):
And then when I was a little younger, AD's fine,
and I didn't understand why a filmmaking team makes the
choices they do, right.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
You know.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
And now as I'm older and I've done it and
I'm continuing to refine mycraft, I see myself going, how
do I make it better? So that way, six seventy
eight year old me can look at it and say,
I understand the choices that were made before me, and
how I get to make different choices to make it better.
So six seventy year old me actually gets it. Because

(49:48):
those young kids, with the Internet and the proliferation of
everyone having a phone, they're gonna watch your movie whatever
it is. There's no more handlebars. There's no more safety bumpers.
Your creative. He's gonna go down the ball and lane
and you're gonna hit a striker.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
You're not. No, absolutely, I can remember because my first
movies that I saw, I saw what was it called
Phantasm was one of the first horror movies that I saw,
you know, by myself. Phantasm and Phantom of the Paradise.
I don't know if you're old enough to remember, do
you remember Fanom of the Paradise. That's a great movie,

(50:25):
great movie. And uh, and those are the first two
that I actually went and got my parents let me
go see. They dropped me off at the movie theater
and then picked me up, and uh, you know, I
got to see him on my own. And I love
both of them to this day. And it's funny because
I became really good friends with the kid from Phantasm.

(50:45):
I actually did another movie that I produced that he
was in. What's it Baldwin? Oh my god, I can't
think of his name. I'm having a Michael Baldwin. A'm
Michael Baldwin, who's the kid? And all the all of
the Phantasm movies he's in, like all of them. And
Reggie banister and I actually met the guy who played
the Angus Grim. I met the tall guy. Oh yes,

(51:06):
rest and Piece and but it's such a great you know,
monumentally different than every other movie. You know, people get killed,
but it's totally different than.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
I do remember we as I was young, my mother
took me to go see Friday thirteenth, the first one,
and that was one I didn't get.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's like that funny Okay, yeah, it wasn't scary to me.

Speaker 8 (51:32):
I do remember. It wasn't scary to me. I mean
I was a young kid. My mom probably shouldn't have
taken me to see Friday the thirteenth part one. Now
now now I know, you know everything behind it, all
the every all the story behind it, the story, all
the sequels, and how that has evolved over the decades,
you know, creatively, makeup wise, technological wise, legal wise, it's

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it is.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
We actually had Sean McNamara on the show, who's the
creator of Friday the thirteenth, And then we had Steve
Dash was a really good friend of mine. I lived
in Florida when when I started this show, I lived
in Florida, and Steve Dash was a really good friend
of mine, and Steve Dash was the first. Michael Myers,
the one with the bag over his head, I mean,
not Michael Myers, the first. He's fiction war he's with

(52:22):
the bag over his head and uh. And he was
a really good friend of mine. And he actually the
studio that we broadcast out of is in Florida, and
he actually came to the studio, you know, and we
we did the show live in the studio when I
lived in Florida, and that he was like the coolest guy,
you know. Ever after you he's for him too.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
After you get a feature out and it's, you know,
one of those legacy building features. Your attitude at life changes.
I found dramatically, like like like something cathartic happens in
the process, you know, and it's like you knew that
person before the movie, and you you're fortunate enough to

(53:04):
know them after the movie, and it's there's something that
changes them in the real world, not just on camera,
and it's it's great to see it, really is.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I think that. So I've got one that I'm working on.
It's called The Legend of Bunny Man, and I've already
got I already have action figures made for it.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
I had.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I had a series of twelve inch and three and
a half inch action figures made for it.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
And.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I also have a sample one and we're putting it
together right now. And I came up with the concept.
Somebody else wrote the script, but I came up with
the script based on my idea, and I think that
I think I'll be funded before the end of the
year and we'll shoot next year. But I'm hoping to
be the next, you know, smarter type of a horror movie,

(53:53):
because it's not an articlown. People get killed, but it's
not you know, just going around because they laugh at
somebody and you get killed. It's got an act pot yeah,
an actual you know story behind the whole thing, and
I'm looking forward to it. I think it'll be a
lot of fun. And I've got another horror movie called
The Red River that's a unique one also, and that

(54:13):
one's already funded. We're just waiting for the funds to
hit the bank. Do you like directing like you mostly act? Right,
You've done them well. Your IMDb is primarily is more
acting than anything I do like to act.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Directing is is a concerted effort because it's more of
a process. You know, when you're acting, you get to
let go right. You you make your choices, you fulfill
your contract obligations, you say your lines, you do the

(54:47):
hardest bit of being on camera, and that means being
entertaining right. As a director, you have so much more responsibility.
It's the exact polar opposite than being an actor.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
And it is if you don't if you've.

Speaker 8 (55:04):
Never done it before. Oh, Ben Affleck, he was an
actor and a director in the same movie. The amount
of talent, time, skill requirement, training, discipline and coordination and
communication it takes to achieve that goal is why our
go has an oscar. And And if you're a fan

(55:25):
of Ben Affleck or not, the craft he's cultivated is
actually it's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I'm not a fan of him as Batman so much,
but I am a fan of him in general. And
I actually like to watch the I don't like the
whole movie. I like to watch through the first bar
part where Matt damon you know, of Goodwill hunting, Like
I like all the beginning parts of it. And then
when he goes to the bar and Ben Affleck says
something and the blondhair guy tries to make fun of him,
and then Matt Damon comes in and like buries the guy,

(55:55):
you know, and then I usually stop after that because
I don't really care about the rest. But when he
solves the problem and stuff, I think that's like great.
And I think that Ben Affleck has had a very controversial,
very controversial career. But you I don't believe whether you
like him or handing him, you can't deny the talent,
I mean, correct the guys. And that's the way I
feel about a whole bunch of people, because there's a

(56:16):
lot of actors that I'm not particularly fond of. But
I actually have a friend who worked on that basketball
movie where Ben Affleck plays the alcoholic founder, and he
said he was great. They said he was like great
to work with, you know, and they were just one
of the little cast members, the basketball team people, and
they were like he was terrific.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I still talk to him and so good. I think.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
I think he's the best Batman.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh no, I don't like him as the band, you know.

Speaker 8 (56:40):
I like this my best Batman because we had that
scene with Jeremy Irons and Jerry Irons is phenomenal talent
no matter what.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
He's I think Jeremy Irons is fabulous.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
When he's had and he has that, he has that
dialogue with Jeremy Irons, Jeremy Irons is Alfred and he's
and he admits that he is unrelatable to the common
man and that he's supposed to be defending in Gotham.
And I'm like, this is not Ben Affleck talking. This
is Bruce Wayne talking. This is really not the guy
in the cow well, because you can put me in

(57:10):
a cow and I'll look like Batman. This is this
is really Bruce Wayne admitting what only Bruce Wayne can.
And Ben Affleck, we know he's got waymen in trouble,
we know he's got money things, we know he's talented,
he's skilled, he's popular, he is everything. If he had Gotam,
he would be owning most of Gotham, as Ben Affleck

(57:31):
like in real life. And him to have that conversation
where it blurred the lines that even though I knew
it was Ben Affleck, and it blurred the lines so
much that I felt that he really was channeling Bruce Wayne.
That's when it got me. That's when he became the
best Batman I know.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
I think.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I really like the cheesy Batman, So I really liked,
I liked and I'm not a fan of George Clooney
in general, but I like George Clooney as Batman. I
loved Alicia Silverstone as bat Girl. I love Believable. She
was believable. Yes, so I but in general I don't
dislike any of them. I like all of them, the
action figures from all of them. I actually have a

(58:12):
Batmobile collection and it's all signed, like I have one
signed by George Clooney, one signed by Robert Pattinson, like
I have a huge collection of it. So I like
all of it.

Speaker 8 (58:23):
I am looking forward to his his the Batman too.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yes, Now, what did you think of the first Batman?
Did you like it? The band? I thought it was great.

Speaker 8 (58:32):
I thought it was fantastic, huge fan, nine point eight
out of ten.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, I thought I was good too. It was a
little darker than I don't really like them when they're
so so dark, but I guess that's the world that
we live in. But I thought Robert Pattinson was great.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I was also a big Twilight fan, so I like
Twilight and.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
As a year as a year back, a year two
Batman Robert Pattinson crushed it. We knew he was a
young man, a young Bruce Wayne, and there was there
was during the first five years. Is where Batman evolves
to becoming the Dark Knight that we hope turns into

(59:12):
Adam West or George Pooney or Beetlejuice.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
It's funny because I lived in Palm Springs and Adam
West used to live literally like down the street, like
maybe like a mile from us. And I actually met
Adam West at a I used to act. I'm not
really very good, but because I'm popular in social media,
like I was in a lot of things, I've got
a couple hundred movie credits. And I met Adam West

(59:38):
at a convention in Orlando and he was coming in
as I had to go out for an audition, and
because I was in Orlando, I had an audition, and
I just said hi to him and I told him
I had an audition. He was so nice, he was
super friendly, he was super nice. He took a picture
with me out on the street and then I paid
and got a picture later with him. But he was
like the nicest guy you know ever. And as a kid,

(01:00:00):
I watched that every morning. It was on a six
thirty and I would watch it, you know, as I
was getting ready to go to school every morning.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
Yeah, Batman in the morning was was how you started
your day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Yeah, so you watched a lot of people don't get
that because they're not old enough. And I'm a lot
older than you, but I think that.

Speaker 8 (01:00:14):
Yeah, and you know you shovel down the life cereal, yes,
in before you get it to catch the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
So here's a question I like to ask actors, and
there's no writer answer. It's a two part question. Number one,
if you could have ever been in any movie that
you've ever that's ever been made, what movie would you
like to be in? And then the second part of
it would be bucket list male and female actor that
you would love to work with, and they could be
living or dead.

Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
So movie I wish I could have been in The
one that changed my life Reservoir Dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Great movie, phenomenal movie. Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
If I could be in in any movie, that would
be the one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
It's a really good movie. Nobody's ever before either.

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
As as as somebody who's made movies before you got one.
They used like the outside stuff, outside stuff. The restaurant
is restaurant. But the warehouse where everything happens is a
casket coffin warehouse. They just tarked it and did film everything,
all of the drama, the whole movie is in a
casket warehouse storage room and they just stacked them, racked

(01:01:28):
them and bagged them and just like this is where
we're working today.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Guys. I love it. It was a great film. That's
funny too, that I never really I don't think anybody's
ever picked that. Okay, male and female actor, let's.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
Go there, oh.

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
Female, Sandra Bullock.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Oh got a good pick. I like Sandra Bullock. What's
your favorite Sandra Bullock movie?

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Demolition Man?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Good movie? As off You pick a lot of like
you know that's kind of fi too, though, but you
pick a lot of like off off the wall films
that you know, because I asked this question to everybody
and like nobody, nobody's ever mentioned any of them. So
it's nice. It's nice to have something different. And I'm
glad you didn't pick Meryl Street because everybody who picks MARYL.
Streep I want to punch him in the head. So

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many better people than.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
She is, so giving, so talented, and so intelligent, for
her to play so far below her mental capacity and
make it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Believable, it takes. It takes.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
It takes more than just I know I'm making a show.
I mean, she sells it the whole way and it's
it's seriously a brilliant performance that is completely underrated.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I'm gonna have to rewatch it now, just because of that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
Wester Stallone, Deuce Bigelow, Rob Schneider.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yes, now that's fun. Okay, okay, and give me a guy,
Give me a guy.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
If I can Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
A great pick. I think that he is top of
the list.

Speaker 8 (01:03:09):
You got crazy eyes in an Adam Saylor movie. Then
you've got the King of New York. That's funny, the
most vicious mobster dudes ever, Like, that's full spectrum range.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Was King of New York, the one with Christopher Walking.

Speaker 8 (01:03:24):
No, not Kings of New York. The other one the
one Empire, not Empire, it's he's a mobster in New York. God,
what's the title of that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
What I think? When I think of Stevey, I think,
wasn't he in that the go to Space movie with
Bruce Willis, Yes, Armageddon? Really good?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
In that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
He's really good in conn Air fantastic. He's also, uh,
there's some other movie that I've always liked his movies.
I also feel he's way underrated because he should be,
you know, he should be like a household name like
all these other people. You know, his movies are. His
movies are terrific. He's such a great star. I've never

(01:04:12):
met him. He's somebody I'd like to meet. Actually, yeah,
trying to find what is when he was in kan
Air though, Yeah, that was like one of my favorite
characters in kan Air. Boardwalk Empire A great show, great show,
yeah that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
He's in all the Transfer Hotel Transylvania movies, the animated
cartoon movies, everything with Adam Sandler's He's in his hip pocket.
It's just I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I think that's a really good pick. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
You know, if I was Spielberg and had my way,
I would be with Steve Buscemi in a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
But I like, okay, now let's switch it up a
little bit. As a director, what movie would you have
liked to direct it? Is it going to be the
same movie?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
No, no.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
As a director, if if if if Disney was with
if Disney was hold cutting my check movie I would
like to bring out. Oh, I would like to redo
the Island. Oh, Leonardo DiCaprio, Yes, Leonardo DiCaprio, their clones

(01:05:22):
and they win the lottery, and what it really is
that's not Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
That's Ethan Hawk. I think I was thinking of the
Leonardo DiCaprio one. Isn't the island, it's the beach.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
Oh no, yeah, the island is there. They they live
on and then like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawk or something. I have to
look that up now, let's see.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
It's uh ew and McGregor and Scarlett Johansson and Jaiman Hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
There you go, yes, you and McGregor.

Speaker 15 (01:05:48):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Great cast.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
Yeah, yeah, a list talent. But the story, the story is,
you know, you win the lottery, and it's not really
so much you won, it's that you're going to be
harvested for body parts for who the real person is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Right, And Steve Shemy's in that too, So there's a
tie in that puts it all together. That's how it
comes together. That's hilarious. I love it. So you guys,
this is Tom Gore. It's his birthday. We want to

(01:06:26):
say happy birthday. Follow him at Tom Underscore Gore Underscore actor.
I said it correctly that time. What's down? Now? What
do you have coming out now that you've got Actually,
you did another movie called Mountaintop. I'm only bringing it
up because we had Lynn Shay and Bob Gunton on
the show.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Yeah, it was it was in the prison and I
was in the I was one of the convicts in
that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
And Bloody Ballet. We've had Debbie Rochawn, Caroline Williams and
Brett Wagnan have all been on the show, Yep and
Funny and you did well Killer Waves too. James Bossmo
Marky Ramon Wednesday thirteen, Reggie Banister and Albert Marky Ramone.
I've met a bunch of times in Wednesday thirteen. Used
to shop in my clothing. So I used to have
a clothing store in Florida and all that rock stars.

(01:07:07):
That's how I met out and John. Everybody shop there,
and so he used to shop in there all the time.
So you've worked with some really you know, stellar people.
I only wish you know the best for your future endeavors,
and we may work together sometime soon. I'm going to
find out if we need somebody who can realistically play
a helicopter pilot the film. I can, I can do

(01:07:31):
other rules.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
I mean, I'm six three, three hundred pounds, and I'm
not the fat kind of three hundred pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
I'm a football player. I still have football player at physique.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
That's good. See a killer too. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
You can put me in you can put me in
a suit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
You can have me run around the woods. I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
I have been taking photographs in a furry suit and
people thought it was bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Well you are a big dude. So we want to
thank you for coming on the show. We also want
to wish you a happy birthday. Thank Matt for setting
this whole thing up. And we'll see you on social
media and at the movies.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
See at the movies.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
All right, bye bye, all right you guys. So Ron's
still under the weather. So I'm gonna shoot solo on
this and our next Before we bring our next guest,
We're gonna take a quick music break. This is jam Wayne,
no problems, and when we come back, we'll be with
our second guest, Andrew Eborn. So enjoy you guys, when

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we'll be right back.

Speaker 15 (01:08:46):
Okay, I ain't even gonna f next This Sunday, I
ain't even that next. But one day you gonta put
this type, ain't need to replay go vibe and you
ride it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
See to the music filling.

Speaker 15 (01:08:55):
When I'm putting this side, dealing with your vulnerable side,
this go hard. Ain't even try to expose your eyes.
Just fine, man, do a diepold live. Really we're not riding,
he tribed a man great spirit is my serious navigating
through the ways of the land. Demonstrate when the new understand,
give me grace when I don't understand which way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Is the best.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
No, God's gotta play it.

Speaker 15 (01:09:16):
Throught my lot my head, stay dirty, down the ride
when it's necessaries, walk the line.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I got no words, say my time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
I'm in no hurry.

Speaker 15 (01:09:23):
Brother's died, so my eyes buried. Another ride to the cinema.
Teris live your life and no death coming. Butter Baker
when we come on home. You don't really want no
problem on no problem. You don't really want no problem,
want no column. You don't really want no problem on
no column. You don't really want You don't really want no.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Problem until I see that, until I try it. That's
six feet deep in the cast. Get to my last
breadth and I breathe that staying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
On the front blind call and the action keep my breathing,
no reless.

Speaker 15 (01:09:55):
Try I say clean with the mug, gone stick such
and a fist does don't want you five six, So
I curling the silk with a pearl on the hill
and trick him figure on big piece with the wood
on the grill, back in the bed. Try to be
a courage when I slip out with your hair, cat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
On drill smoking the spells you thrown map on the sea.
You gonna see it with a back on yourself.

Speaker 15 (01:10:13):
These two hell and now I'll be paying contre just
so I could jump back in bastie spell when a
man shot looking for the cat shout reds.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Out over for the wind ride from a frig.

Speaker 15 (01:10:22):
Most of them gone so long in the grain, but
they locked in the pin, smoke in the wind, raised
up the toes to the ones that be lied down doing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Win up and know the world ain't shit, Lord hurt everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
You lift there dawn there sell block sick. That's the
world on.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Till everybody lee right there.

Speaker 15 (01:10:34):
I had to put the south on drill back this here, yeah, brother,
went ahead, and I'm marbling in the streets I living
and make his spear.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
What's the third reds in the country?

Speaker 15 (01:10:42):
Blue con try true and it's because down to it
and you cross that line in the red, White and blue.

Speaker 16 (01:10:46):
Boy, you better salute. You don't really want no problem,
want no problem. You don't really want no problem, want
no problem. You don't really want no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
No, you won't. You only won't no problem. So everybody
that's jam Wayne. I always like to play his music
because he's he's he's before he became a popular hip
hop dude, he was like a nuclear technician and I
find that fascinating. Uh that that because he like looks

(01:11:22):
like he lives in the back you know, the backwoods
of like South Carolina or some ship. But his music
is really good. He's very popular for an indie artist.
And uh, and now we're gonna bring on our next guest,
so let's bring in Andrew E. Bourne.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Hey, George, I have to say I love that was
not brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
And he's a nuclear technician, yes, yes, uh, and he's
got He puts out new videos all the time and
it's hip hop, but it's like a white dude doing
hip hop and it's rough and tough, and I just
think he's fabulous.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
So yeah, he is fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Then we level of that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
I'm what the delight it is to be on your show.
I was enjoying your first guest, and I've been trolling
through the archives and seeing your record breaking statistics and
your brilliant guests you have on every time. What's ame
de Ron? And he's not well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
He's not well. He actually started the show with our
first guest, but he said he felt like he had
to throw up and so he's gone. He probably found
out that I was on the running holder. That's what happened. Yes,
let me do an official all right, everybody, now we
want to welcome to the Jimmy Stars Show with Ron Mussel, futurist, lawyer,
broadcaster host. I guess they call it a barrister in England,

(01:12:34):
President of Octopus TV and Phoenix Octopus TV in Phoenix
three sixty Andrew Eborne from the UK, Hello and welcome
to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Hello, asais of JAVO, it's lovely to be on your show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
I'm looking forward to it. I think it's so much fun.
There's all kinds of things about you that I didn't know.
I was trying to research you, but basically everywhere you
google you online, they all say the same thing. That's good.
You're a genius, a futurist, a lawyer, a Brian cast
or a host, and you do a lot of interviews
on a lot of other shows and basically like you're

(01:13:05):
like the media king of the UK.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Ah, Yes, more platforms than Paddington.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
I'm on, so let me go and patting. I love Paddington.
I love the guy who's in Paddington. He's cute anyway.
So one thing I bet though, that people don't ask
you very often, because I went to IMDb and yes,
and you've been in a movie with Kelsey Grammar.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
I have was not.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Extortedary breaking the bank was the name of the movie.
What I love about it as well, Jim, is that
I've done every single part of this industry. So I've
performed in movies, being on the radio, I've got my
own show on television and all those other of platforms.
But yes, I did a great movie with Kelsey Grammar.
Mine a minor role, so fairly irrelevant, but he was

(01:13:50):
brilliant and such a lovely guy. But you check that
out Breaking the Bank. Do you know Kelsey?

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I don't know him. I have a lot of friends
who know him, but I have never actually met him.
Let me ask you a question. Are you on a
desktop or a laptop? I am on a laptop. Is
that okay?

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Does that work for you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
It works.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I wonder if we can move the camera, like, move
it down a little bit, because right now it says
your name is blocking your chin. I want to see if.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
There's anyone I'll tell you what I can do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
I can sit on a book.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Shall I sit on a cushion?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yes, that's true. There you go, Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
I don't want to have you don't need to move
your graphics. I will move for you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
You see what. I don't think there's a way to
move them anyway. I don't do it like they do
that at the stage.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
The people behind the scenes on these shows are absolutely brilliant.
So you want to see my chin or all of them?
So I'm happy with you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
So, yes, you did Breaking the Bank with Kelsey Grammer
and John Michael Higgins, who's a really popular comedic actor here.
They're both popular comedic actors here in the United States.
And then I also wrote down that you did a
bunch of documentaries and you're in and you're a magician
in every kind of people the Robert Palmer video.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Yes absolutely so well tell you I'll tell you how
that came about Iland Records as it then was, Well
that was the label for you too and Cat Stevens
and various others. It was sold to PolyGram and they
used to have a video on which used through lots
of music videos and things like that, and whenever sold
a PolyGram they said, we can't do any more music
videos anymore because you'll be competing, but you can do

(01:15:30):
other aspects. So what they said to me, and I
was representing them as a lawyer at that stage, they
said to me, well can you do something for us?
And I thought, well, if you remember at Christmas time,
children always used to get these little box of tricks
and they get these little bits of plastic. They're not
quite sure how they work. So I thought that wouldn't
it be great if we did the very very first
commercially available video explaining to people how they can do tricks,

(01:15:54):
how they can make them themselves. I got your copy here.
We are very rare thing with people, won't recognize it's
a VHS.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Can you believe it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
But that is Andrew Bourne Art of Magic. It's a rare,
unsigned copy and this is how we taught people how
to do tricks and things like that. And what I
loved is creativity. So if you can spark a bit
of intelligence rather than working on screens all the time,
people getting lost in their own little world. It's getting
people to connect in this glorious way. So that's what
I did. The very very first official magic taught on

(01:16:25):
video called the Auto Magic, and it's still out there somewhere.
You can probably find someone on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I think that's so cool. But it's so cool because
you're not actually like a normal business person, Like you're
like kind of like a jack of everything and you
do everything, which makes it fun because you do a
lot of music stuff. I wrote down you did Live
at ed Worth, the documentary featuring all kinds of like
the biggest basically the biggest people on the planet.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Yeah, I'll tell you how that came about, Jimmy is
we were representing a brilliant organization called Silver Cleff and
Nordoff Robins and what they do is music therapy. So
it's amazing kids, and in particular kids who cannot connect.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
In other ways.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
They would get them banging drums or making little sounds
with symbols and things like that, and they would teach
them how to communicate effectively through music. So it's a great,
great charity. And every year they had these Silver Cleft
Awards and it's given to the great and good of
the industry. As you say, Paul McCartney, we had the
genesis Elton John who I know you've sold clothes too,
and things like that, and so all this it's a

(01:17:25):
wonderful who's who. And it was a big concert in
Nebworth where we got the Silver Cleft all the winners
one year, and it raised lots and lots of money
as a result for this brilliant cause.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Tears for Fears I love. I just saw them in
concert here in the desert not too long ago. And
then you did a Wake Up Punk documentary and so
as I was a clothing designer my foray into entertainment.
I had a clothing line. I had three clothing stores
in Florida. I made one of a kind clothing, only
one of them, so if somebody saw somebody in it
and asked me to make it. I wouldn't make another one, right.

(01:17:57):
My favorite designer growing up was Vivian I was in
England and I was actually in England one day and
actually in London, and I actually saw her. I got
to meet her riding her bike to her store. I
mean this is like like a zillion years ago, but
it was one of the highlights of my meeting celebrity,
you know, careers, because because it was Vivian Westwood. She makes,

(01:18:20):
you know, the most outrageous stuff. Not a lot of
people can wear it because it's a little bit too flampoyant.
But I just thought the fact that people could make
that wild stuff. And I liked her more in her
punk rock days, you know, when she used to do
the punk rock stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
And I married to Malcolm McLaren obviously very famously as well,
and I worked with their son, Joe Correy, who had
a brilliant brand to myself called Child of the Jego
and also he did the Ajon Provocateur, so made a
lot of money on that sort of business. And what
it was that the way that came about it was
the fortieth anniversary of Punk and Joe Corey that the son.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Of Vivian west were very famous.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
He said he was going to burn his Punk memory
because it's basically being acquisitioned, acquired, if you like, by
all the people that Punk was supposed to. Rebellgate's all
these bankers were framing Punk outfits and putting them on
their wall, and he said, this is crazy, this is
not what Punk's about. So in that act rebellion that
he was going to do, and they put the figure
on about five million pounds worth of punk memorabilia, and

(01:19:19):
I suggested Joe, well, look, if you're going to do that,
you might as well document it. So you must have
filmed the whole thing in the same way as that
you can sort of them tell the story and get
the message across. So that's that's exactly what happened, and
it's evolved into that sort of great documentary, but it's
an important part. And I had a joy of meeting
Vivian a few times on set. She's a real I mean,
she was obviously an iconic figure, Dame Vivian Westward as

(01:19:43):
she was, and there's fascinating stuff that we found out
about her. For example, the anarchy symbol.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
You wouldn't know this.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
I didn't know, even Joe was surprised. You know, the
A and it's got a circle around it. Vivian came
up with that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
I no, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
Yeah, isn't that amazing and safety pin thing, you know
with Johnny Rotten, John Lyden, all that sort of stuff
so iconic look at that sort of stage. But they
used to get raided. Actually every week on the King's
Road people come in and steal stuff. So it was
it was sort of faced or famine for her on
those sort of days. But obviously in the last few

(01:20:18):
years she's been celebrated around the world as a phenomenal,
phenomenal fashion designer.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I would save up money because the stuffs very expensive,
you know, but I I would go and buy all
the little shirts with the little orbs on them because
I like the little orbs. And I bought these great pants.
And I had a chain that had like this like
a it was like a big erect rubber and a
wrec metal penis. I mean, I had she had everything wild.
And she had one T shirt that I used to

(01:20:45):
look for all the time but you could never find it.
It just said Westwood but in big letters the W
starts here and it ends on the d on the back.
Now it's like a collector's item. You could probably like
never you know, find find it because you or if
you did, it would be too expensive. But I think
that she's so iconic, so wonderful. And I actually did

(01:21:07):
a fashion show. We had this club in Florida and
it's where all the punk bands would play, and The
Damned was touring and they had me do a fashion
show before the opening of The Damned and we really
had everybody really all punked out, and we had like
simulated sex acts on the stage and we had like
girls with like we took you know, dildos and stuck

(01:21:28):
them on drills and we're around. I mean, it was
the wildest thing ever. And there were thousands of people
there and it was like it was just fun. You know.
I kind of missed the times when life was just fun.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Oh I'll tell you what we should put Jimmy, I
love this. We should put the fun into dysfunctional. This
is why you've got to work on that sort of basis.
But but it was, it was absolutely brilliance. I had
the joy of working with The Damned as well, Like
I had a hologram company. We got involved with that
and we took them to Abbey Road and did the
filming in front of these big screens and sort of
without disclosing for you how the magic. But this is

(01:22:00):
a great way of doing so we work with the
daand on that sort of basis, work with a number
of other artists as well, Mark Almond and lots of
good Friend's Toyers a good Friend as well, and we
basically filmed them with holograms. And the great thing about
holograms it means that artists can earn money in their sleep.
You are preserving them and you've also got these digital resurrections.
And we've got the great show over here at the

(01:22:22):
moment with Abbot called the Voyage. It's called it's like
the sort of go into the Abba burths and what
you can do. You can see these are recreations and
it looks so good that you think you're actually at
the concert. And that's one of the great future things
about things. And one of the companies that are now
involved with is a company called Phoenix three sixty and
what that is is looking at ways that we can

(01:22:44):
make artists more money because historically the creatives in this
industry and you're a creative, you understand this haven't received
the rewards they justly deserve. So this is an app
that basically is free to download, and what happens it
gets them more money. As a result of that, they
can engage more with fans, so they can tell people
about ticket sales, they can tell advertised concerts in particular areas,

(01:23:05):
but they can also do merchandise on it and various
other things as well. They can do NFTs and basically
the great thing about this app it's very easy to
set up, but we can also help people is they
get their own website as a result of it. So
it's all about engagement with the fans now and embracing
technology on that sort of basis.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
It's a fabulous app. We actually had Alan kleft Fits
on the show about I don't know, that must have
been a four months ago, three or four months ago, right.
I didn't know if it was going to fly because
we don't really bring business ye kind of people on.
But the show is very popular. People loved him, you know,
they liked him a lot. You know, you're you're you're
really different than most people because you know, most I'm

(01:23:43):
a creative and I must have a business guy, so
I like totally get you. But I think in entertainment
people are usually either the creative side or the business side.
They usually aren't both. And the fact that you are
successful at both number one, is a big testament to
you know you and who you are and what you've created.
But I think that Phoenix three sixty, you guys, it's

(01:24:04):
Phoenix three sixty dot com. It's F E N I
X three six zero dot com. It's an appening. And
you don't have to just be an artist. You can
be any kind of creative really absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
And the great the great thing is Jimmy, is that
because it's free, everybody can just try everyby's favorite fall
out a word beginning with F. You work on that
sort of basis, So, uh, this is great, just try it.
And it's and Adam's great. I was in New York
just a few days ago with Alan. We've been traveling
the world ever since I was introduced by the brilliant
John Velasco.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
I'm talking about Abbat.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
He actually was the guy who signed Abba and if
you you look at his CV, it is it's virtually
every artist you could ever possibly think of, the soundtrack
to Your Life and he introduced me to uh to
Alan and we got on fabulously and such great potential too.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
We've had and we've had John vealesco on also see
this is the to be on.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
This isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
This is what I love your stats.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I was looking at these billions upon billions of people.
There's nobody on this planet who hasn't seen the Chimney
Star Show really tried.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
You know, it's very hard to get. We get a
lot of like A minus people. As far as music artists,
we get phenomenal. As far as actors, it's a little
bit more A minus and B plus because the A
the A people they won't come on because we're not scripted.
So I have little notes about you, but that's it.
Like we just talk. It's it's a conversation and they

(01:25:28):
won't come on. They won't come on if they don't
know what you're gonna ask them, and I would never
it's a fun show. So we're not gonna like if
you were, like, you know, having sex with the training
in the woods, We're not going to bring it up
because I don't want to bring up anything negative. I
only want it to be fun. But we can't always
get them. But music wise, and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
I think that's the thing that the people I was
gonna say, you got some great artists. I was watching
your nineties. I was watching your nineties show that the
last couple of weeks, and that that was really great.
I had some brilliant artists on there, which is good.
But actually, I mean, we've got quite a rich history,
which you probably don't know about. It's not necessarily out
there all the time. But Jill Ireland, the brilliant actress,

(01:26:05):
was on my father's side. She was an aunt on
my father's side, and she was married to Charles Bronson
and before that to David mcullum, the Invisible Man and
the Man from Uncle, So that was on my father's side.
So we've got quite a rich history in the entertainment
business as well. But what I love about it, and
it's the same as you, and you get some really
fascinating people, and people forget people to people and everybody's

(01:26:26):
norm they've aught tales to tell, but they also have
the same struggles that everybody else has. And if you
prick me, do I not bleed? If you tickle me,
do I not laugh? We're all the same, and I
try and dig that out of people. It's really fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Well, I think too, so we should tell everybody. You
have your own show on Octopus TV called The Andrew
Eborne Show. That's a great show, you guys. He brings
on every kind of people and you Actually I noticed
recently you had the guy from Men with Our Hats,
and we had him on about three or four months ago. Yes,
and he was a lot of fun. His Wi Fi
connection wasn't terrific for us because he was on an

(01:27:00):
island or whatever, so it went out in and out
once in a while. But I'm a big fan of
theirs and I enjoyed it. I also noticed you had
Will Krutzon on recently, and he's been on the show.
Suzi Quatro was on your show. We've had her on
the show. So you've had a lot of big people
we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Know, we've fantastic Well. I had Charles Spencer's been on
the show a couple of times. I've had Errol Musker,
the father of Elon Musk's on the show all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I also politicians.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Yeah, here a fantastic, fascinating guy. What I love about it,
Jimmy is having these people, these various celebrities on is,
you get to speak to them directly about how they're
reported in the press, and so often, you know, never
let the truth stand in the way of a good story,
and you turn out. They always used to say that
if you don't read the newspapers, you're ill informed. If

(01:27:46):
you do ei them, you're misinformed. Well that's never been
true than it is today. We're drowning in a sea
of misinformation. That much prejudice, isn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Yes, there's there's so much prejudice all the way around.
And we don't really bring political people on because it's
an actual because we try to keep it all entertainment.
But I was going through your list of guests and
I was like, oh my god, like you have had,
you know, some super impressive and then that really impressed me.
Elon Must's father. I also think I saw maybe it

(01:28:16):
wasn't you. Did you have Roger Stone?

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Yes, I had Roger Stone's but I know he's shocking,
isn't it. So I had Roger Stone on the on
the show as well, who reminded me that, you know,
politics is entertainment for ugly people. One of my favorite
quotes so he's a real character and I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
Love I love Roger Stone, and I think, no, he
hasn't been on my show because like we don't do
the politics things. I don't think it would work. But
I've always enjoyed everything he does. I also think he's
super cute, and I just think he's like, you know,
just he's a great you know, he's a great guy.
And I think, you know, people nowadays, you know, everybody

(01:28:55):
hates everybody, and so like, you know, everybody's got something
to say. I'm I'm all about than a country and
let everybody believe whatever that they want to believe. As
long as you're not pushing on me, I'm fine with
you and.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
The thing I'm really and I do. I have lots
of wonderful people in the entertainment business, but also some
quite controversial people who don't normally get platforms in the
mainstream media, even though I work with the BBC and
I work with Times Radio and CNN, and I say
more platforms than Paddington because what I believe is that
everybody's entitled to at least express their own opinion rather
than a distortion of that opinion. And of course you

(01:29:28):
can hold their feet to the fire. Of course you
can challenge them on those views, but it's better that
people hear it directly from the person concerned because there's
so much misinformation about there. And the one thing I
would always urge everybody to do is to question everything
because what tends to have I know, you know this
is that you'll get people who will surround themselves with
friends who've got a particular view and they only have

(01:29:49):
to say in that little vacuum if you like, and
they only read newspapers and watch channels that endorse that view.
And so often what I like to do, even with
the people close to me, I just recollec flip through
the different channels, get your new some several different sources,
but also try and find out yourself. Always be inquisitive
because the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Is out there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
And I always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant,
and so many times people try to hide the information,
but it is out there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
But you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
But I would urge people do go along to the
Andreborn Show. It is free, everybody's favorite four letter word
on YouTube. We've got tens of thousands of different people
who tune in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
I can't believe how many shows. You were like, we
just do one show a week, and it's a lot
of work for me. You're posting up like new show,
like you know you post you must put like ten
shows a week up.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Because the great thing is because I do regular shows
in the mainstream media as well, so I can put
all the clips up there and real joy. I've been
doing that for a very long time, and that the
great thing about it. Even when I was in New York,
I was broadcasting on the BBC and Times Radio, and
what I loved about being in New York is that
I do the breakfast show on Times Radio every so often.

(01:30:55):
And what happens is you have to get out at
three point thirty in the morning here and read all
the paper and see what's coming in, what the breaking
news is. When I'm in New York, it's only ten
thirty at night. I can come in from one of
the Glorious or whatever it is. So I really like that,
and that was good. It's the same as I did.
I was broadcasting for Times Radio from the hard Rock Hotel.

(01:31:16):
That's where were staying this time, so we never have
to pay for that again. And the reality was exactly that,
And the same with the BBC. I was doing some
broadcasting from there, So that's the reason. I mean, yes,
every day, every day there's new content on the Andrew
One Show, and I just say, that's a.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Very hard thing to do in general. By the way,
Aileen Shapiro just sent me. She calmed me. I said,
we're on the show. She said, say hello for me.
It was an accident, but so Iilean Shapiro. Everybody knows
that's the biggest superstar ever.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
I'd sell you. Isn't she an absolute delight?

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Yes, we've been We've been business partners for I think
about ten years now. We get along. We never had
an argument, so you've never had not What was the
secret to that? We get along very well. You know,
we both stay in our wheelhouses. She has thinks she's
good at. I have things I'm good at, and together
we make a complete, whole, phenomenal person.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
But it's brilliant. She is a force of nature. I
only met a fairly recent because one of the things
that Phoenix through sixty does are these live events, and
they had it down the down in New York. We
have lots of undiscovered artists and sort of give them
a platform and they get paid, which is great. So
we had this sort of platform for Phoenix through Sixty
artists and I met her literally just a few weeks

(01:32:31):
ago in New York and we've became like instant buddy.
She's one of those some people, so absolutely great shout out.
But what we're trying to do with Phoenix through sixty,
we're doing those around the world. So I'm working with that,
and I went down to Australia with him. I do
a lot of work in Japan in career and so
and so, so we're looking at that. Also in Canada,
they've got the Tokyo, They've got say Tiff, it's the

(01:32:52):
Toronto International Film Yes, so we're looking at doing something going.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Down there for that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
And I also I go down and can a number
of times CG because the festival city and I have
historically been hosting the Drama Awards down there. So we're
thinking of launching a new aspect of Phoenix at three
sixty there, which will be a TV channel as well.
So watch this space on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
That's definitely cool. So one of the things is I
I'm big in music and I love all the music stuff.
But my but Eileen really loves the music stuff, and
I love all the movie stuff. I've I've got nine
films in production right now, and and I've you know,
produced a bunch of films and and it's so funny
because like Aileen will call me up because you know,

(01:33:35):
she interviews everybody, like literally, like she interviews everybody, the
biggest stars on the planet. And she'll call me up.
If it's a music person, she knows who it is
right off the bat. But she'll call me up and
she'll be like, they want me to they want me
to interview. And she'll say, like Steve Carell, you know,
is that somebody you know? Is that worth my time

(01:33:56):
to interview Steve Carell or Emma Stone? Is that worth
my time to interview in the Stone? And I'll be like, yeah,
that's worth your time, you know, going going interview. It's
a really good one. But she knows all the music
people because she's super into it and her favorite So
my favorite music really is boy bands. I love all
the British boy bands. That's why, right we had nine
one one on recently, which is a boy British boy band,

(01:34:18):
and we have the seventeen coming on when I come
back and uh, that's my favorite thing. Like my my
my goal. I have two British people that I want
on really bad and my goal is Robbie Williams. Okay,
I want Robbie Williams and I want Michelle Dockery Downton Abbey.
Those are like my two gets, and I want to post.

(01:34:41):
Robbie is absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
And I used to work on a children's television program
years and years ago, probably about the same time as
this video came out, which is the beginning of the nineties,
and it's just when Take That was starting. So I
used to do this Saturday morning kids show as well,
called Motormouth, and it's where Take That first performed. And
I remember the all the boys were driven in this
huge limo and they just obviously got the first taste

(01:35:04):
of being stars and getting that treatment, and they all
sort of wide eyed and naive. And Robbie was absolutely brillian.
It was always the joker. And he's got a great,
great movie. I don't called better now have you seen it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
That's great? Great movie?

Speaker 16 (01:35:16):
Is that good?

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
I don't know why it didn't do well. We didn't
do well in America's Unfortunately not enough people know who
Robbie Williams is. He's I'm a boy band fan, I
like know and he's like one of the biggest you
know things ever. And I've always been a boy bands fan,
so I've liked all of them, but I like him
the best. And I think you know that he didn't
go well for him with Take That, and he went
on his own and fucked all of them, and he's

(01:35:38):
like basically, you know, way more successful than the rest
of them.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Yeah, I think the pig on your phone was from Robbie.
Now that he's seen me on the show, he'll come
on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
I love it and he's absolutely brilliant. But what it is, Jimmy,
it's a it's a lesson in how these bands get
on and the behind the scenes stuff. It's really tough
on the roads, and I often ask people exactly how
they It's like a marriage, isn't it. But it's worse
if you like, because it's more intense. You're thrown into situations,
people are exhausted, they don't really have a life outside.

(01:36:09):
They have to preserve a certain image and it's always very,
very difficult. One of the great people who Eileen introduced
me to is a chap called Howard Bloom. I'm sure
he's been on your show as well, but he does
all the prs to the great, rich and famous and
wonderful stars throughout history, including Michael Jackson and yeah, and

(01:36:29):
he was sort of saying that basically, it's one of
the difficult things for people is when they come off stage.
They're so elated performing in front of tens of thousands
of people. When they come off stage, that's the time
that it really hits them. When when the black dogs
they call it a depression sort of hits because you
no longer have that adoration. And he also tells a
look look to the next future. Thing always been looking forward,

(01:36:50):
So if you reach a certain level of success, look
for the next level and do that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
And it's so are you gonna are you gonna put that?
So because one of the things I looked it up.
It wasn't really sure what it is because they say
you're a futurist, very well known futurist. Yes exactly not.
I mean I can guess what that is, but I
actually looked it up. So tell us tell people just
in case they have no idea what that because that's
really very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Yeah, So what I do I work with companies around
the world predicting what the next big thing is going
to be so everything. So, for example, with artificial intelligence,
I like to put the AI into Britain and see
what I did there. And what I do is I
work with companies say look, this is how you can
harness this technology, so you're aware of both the threats
and the opportunities. Because I always say, look, AI is

(01:37:36):
are perhaps our biggest human achievement, but also potentially the
biggest existential threats. But if people don't know what the
technology is and what it can do, they're all scared
about the negative side, about losing their jobs and so
on and so forth. But AI, for example, if you
can harness the power of AI, how that can accelerate
growth in companies. And they've been across all sorts of indergry.

(01:37:57):
They've been seismic advances in medicine, work cures for diseases.
They never thought what'sill being absolutely phenomenal on that sort
of basis. So what I do is I look at
those opportunities with companies, I predict the trends, and I
tell you that the best way of predicting the future
is to make it, and that's what we do. So
with companies, how to explain what sort of opportunities there are,

(01:38:18):
explain how they can harness those accordingly, and that's what
I do, and then become a strategic advisor for those
different companies, which is what I'm doing with Phoenix, how
to harness that technology, how to look at the different
markets and the changes they're going to be on that
sort of basis.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
I love AI. About six months ago, I was like,
you know, like if you don't get on the bandwagon,
you're going to get left behind. And I just use
very basic, you know things. I write stuff, I make
posters from movies that I'm working on. Then I make
the posters come alive, you know, and all kinds of
stuff from my social media because I have like a

(01:38:54):
million followers and social media and I have to yes
all day. But as I'm as I've been learning more
and more. I just keep learning more and more every
day about it because I know that this is definitely
the wave of the future. If you're not a bord
of it, you're definitely going to get left behind. And
even though I'm old, I don't want to get left behind.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
Well, you're not old at all. And actually AI has
been around for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
You said.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
It was actually in the nineteen fifties that they had
this sort of artificial intelligence, which is basically computers. And
there's this wonderful thing called the Turing test. You might
remember Alan Turing, who appears we have these wonderful notes
over here. I don't see if I've got one for you.
There we have these wonderful notes where Alan Turing basically
appears on the back of those. Here we are, we've

(01:39:37):
got one here, it's the fifty pound note. So Alan Turing,
which is the guy who basically he had a differently
wired brain, but he actually Enigma code you might remember
down in Bletchley Park and he was famous on that
sort of side. But what happens is AI has been
around since the fifties and people have used it in
different ways, and people are using it even without knowing it.

(01:39:59):
You know, it's predicting text and so on and so forth.
But now what's happening is it's a lot of people
are worried about how it's going to affect the creative industries.
And people can tell. People can tell that when people
are writing their exams, or they're writing essays that AI
has been written by Chat, GPD or Brock. As I like,
which is Elon's equivalent, is.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
Better than.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
Because I've got personal interest. I am a musketeer, so
I do like what Elon's doing with it. Try both
of them. They're both free, and see what works for you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I do use both.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
I think they're really good search engines. But there's a
knock on effect and what's going to happen. I advocate
this as well talking about how things in education. I'm
often asked about this as well, as you're getting all
these kids so basically in the same way as when
you and I were growing up, we just have slide rules.
Maybe you didn't really have calculators that people thinking and
you had to know your timestable. If you don't use it,

(01:40:55):
you lose it. So what's going to happen. We're going
to say, well, how can you test the children when
they're doing their studies? And what I've always advocated is
actually should bring in rasey, you should get people great,
do all your research on grock, doing research on chat GPT.
It can help you write your letters. Make sure it's
a first draft and you add your own elements to it,
so it becomes a co pilot rather than thing. But

(01:41:17):
also then the way to test them is to put
them in front of their classmates and ask them questions,
getting to explain it, because we're losing the power to communicate.
And I always say that the more intelligent, the smarter
these devices become, the more dumb we become.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
I agree with that one hundred percent. And I think
people already. I think people like the generations you know,
after me, I don't think they have any communication skills,
you know whatsoever. Just the fact that, like you know,
you see stuff on the news here in the United
States all the time, how people get out of college
and they take their parents on their job interviews and
stuff because they have no idea how to do anything,

(01:41:53):
you know, So people have really lost you know, I
can't even like, you know, imagine that. Like my parents
were poor, so I basically, you know, got my first
job knocking on doors when I was nine years old
with my lawn horse, saying can I mow your lawn?
You know, So I've never been shy, but I think that,
you know, people have lost a lot of skills because
of it, and chat chypt will probably even make it worse.
But I also think that as long as you need

(01:42:16):
to make it your own. But I think that I
think that that's the way to go. I mean, like
I make movie posters and they're freaking awesome. They look
so freaking good. And I used to pay somebody three
thousand dollars to make a poster and now I'm you know,
I can make it myself, so I like love it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
It's great, as I say, you can harness that sort
of power. So that's what you do. Look at that opportunity.
But then what does that do? That frees you up
to do more stuff? And I work on that sort
of place you can then get your creativity going. And
it's quite sad. I don't know if you see this
in restaurants now, where people they're going on a date
or something, they're all just embedded and sort of lost
in their phones and so on and so forth, and

(01:42:51):
people don't know how to communicate. And I think this
is what we need to do. We need to bring
back that power. It's the same with society. We need
to bring back the families because I say it takes
takes a village to bring up a child, and if
they're all just cocooned in their own little world on
their digital devices and you're not interacting with people, you're
going to lose a really important part of society.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
No, I agree, one hundred percent. And I'm one of
those people whose I wouldn't me. I wouldn't be buried
in my phone at a restaurant. I'm buried at my
phone at home a lot, though, when I'm watching TV
with my social media on the way merrily.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Since you've beat on their so I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I think you have to be you have to be,
first of all, to be an interviewer, you have to
be able to like talk to people and yeah, off
the top of your head, because like I never know
what where the conversation is going to go, so so
you know, you just talk and see where it goes.
But I think all the things that you've done are
like fascinating and I had something else written down here
and anything, so so uh keen. So first of all,

(01:43:43):
when you google your name, you come as a come
up as a keynote speaker for like ten different companies
like you, So you do a lot of keynote speaking obviously,
because you have a lot of different agents, have lots
of them, but.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
I love all of them, but exclusive obviously no. I
work with that with best in the industry. And I
always work on the basis that I love to love
to go travel to places, I love to talk to
different people. And it's great about keynote speeches because rather
than run doing the same speech each time with some
some people that are fairly lazy, go and see them.
Once you think, oh they were very good, you see
them again. It's the same stuff. I tailor it for

(01:44:17):
different organizations and I think if you're going to adapt
to it, that's the most powerful thing. So again it's
talking about the different companies that we talk talk to.
It's looking at those organizers because they're going to have
their own challenges and I would sit down with them beforehand,
do all sorts of research and absolutely then go and
work and say, look, okay, here are some elements that
we can bring. Here are some key takeaways that you

(01:44:37):
want from this. It's part from the entertainment side and
everything else. We can do something really special for your
company to make that make sense. So I love doing
the lives live speaking things. And as I say, I
also do a lot of awards ceremonies, including in Can
with the Drama Awards and various other things, and those
are great fun as well. We also have an organization
over here called the Royal Television Society and that's the
great and good of the industry and I do their

(01:44:59):
rather to Society podcast for London here and into interview
the great and the good about television and how that's
changing because television itself is it's not about the device,
because television is a device. It's about the content. And
you're getting content now in many many different ways. I mean,
you are broadcast, you're producing content. You've probably got a
bigger audience than some of these channels on traditional television.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
I do, Yeah, we do have a bigger I mean
I have my TikTok. Like my TikTok has been blowing
up lately and I think in like seven months, I
think I have like eighteen million plays on TikTok.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Hey look at that. Do you don't as well? Are
you a dancer? Have you done on TikTok?

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
I don't. I don't do dance. And I just basically
promote whatever my shit that I have going, whatever movie
I have out or whatever I have going on, I
promote it. But you know the difference between me and
other people with a lot of following on TikTok and
other things is I basically talk to everybody like I'm
on Twitter, and if you have eight followers and you
tweet something to me, I will respond. I respond to everybody,

(01:45:59):
you know. And I think that's really why people follow me,
is because I try to be nice to everybody, because
everybody's at different places in their life, but they're all
doing their own thing, you know, and maybe one person's
better known than another, doesn't make you any better than
that person. It's just different.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
You're different, absolutely, and and everybody can learn from other people.
And I think the world is so fractured at the
moment and so much dissent that the more we can
walk a mile in somebody else's moccasins is what I'd recommend.
And that's what I do. I get engaged by, I say,
traditional channels. Sometimes I play Devil's Advocate to eke out
so sometimes very controversial views from other people, but sometimes

(01:46:34):
you get that road to Damascus moment. If you can
talk things through gaw jaw, not war war, so much
more will be solved as opposed to people just ranting
each other.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
All right, so we have three minutes. Who's who's on
your bucket list? If you could interview anybody on the
planet that you haven't had a chance to interview yet,
who's on your bucket list? I gave you my This
is great.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
There's this great podcaster who's got millions of followers in
the state, a guy called Jimmy Starry.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
He's gonna be brilliant, so.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
He's definitely tough on the list. And the great thing
is Jimmy, I get approached by lots of people where
they want to announce things and so on and so forth.
I say, I speaked to lots of royalty. I speak
to lots of people. I treat everybody to saying that
that I have a lot of respect for people. And
that's what I love. And I say the Andrew One show,
we get great guests all the time. So everybody's on
my bucket list, from the poorest of the poor to

(01:47:25):
the richest of the rich.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Respect. It's a fucking it's a really good attitude for
the whole thing. And I watched some of your shows.
I actually want to go back and watch a few
of the Elon Musk's father ones that I'll probably look
for the Roger Stone one just because, like I, when
he got when he got partnered to whatever, he did
this little dance and I saved the video because I
thought it was a lot of fun. So I just

(01:47:48):
think those kinds of things are fun. So you guys
can check out the Andrew Eborne store. All you got
to do is throw the Andrew Eborne into YouTube, you guys,
and the shows will come up. You can also go
to the Octopus TV website. It's www dot Octopus dot tv,
and you can go see Andrew on Instagram. He's got
a couple instagrams, but his personal one is I think
at least is at Andrew dot Eborn.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
And I loves on Twitter as well at Andrew Eborne
at Octopus team.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
I just followed you right well as the show was starting, brilliant.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
The talking is now how commence? But do I don't know.
I would implore everybody please do get in touch. I
tried to interact as much as possible with people as
you do, Jimmy, and also they post questions for the guests,
so I like to get a general public involvement. When
we have these great names coming on, we get the
people involved. So do sign up on the YouTube channel
as well. Go and check that out the Andrew Eborn Show.
And Eborne is eb O r and people always put

(01:48:39):
far too many vowels in there sometimes, I SA, it's
really really simple.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Eb o r N. Check that out now and you'll
be very well. Come and join thousands of people and
go to Phoenix three sixty you guys, go to Phoenix
three sixty dot com and if you're in New York.
Their next show is on August twenty seventh at Chelsea
table in Stage in New York City. It's a Wednesday night.
Mark McLaughlin I know, is one of the performers that's
gonna be there. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

(01:49:03):
So he's a show. He's a great, great voice. He
sings the national Yeah, he's got a great voice. All right,
So Andrew, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Wish you only the best and we'll talk soon. Take care, Jimmy,
bye bye. All right, everybody, thanks so much for tuning in.
We'll be off for the next two weeks and we'll
be back on the beginning of September. Have a good

(01:49:24):
one and we'll see you soon. Bye, everybody, Thanks so much.
Gimme drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
Contract, We got the court tag watch that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Gave me pick up my self. We don't want to tell.
You don't want to know. Jimsy, Jimmy, You'll want to whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
Gimmy take you out, you stuf.

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