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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you a songwriter?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Are you looking to turn your songwriting passion into a
full time gig gig? Whether you are just at the
start of your songwriting journey or a seasoned industry professional,
this show is made for you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We would welcome to the Songwriter Show, bringing together songwriting, news,
interviews and communitating.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Now welcome your host Sronto.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Thank you so much for tuning in tonight again and
welcome back to this songwriter Show. I'm your humble host Soronto,
so solo music artist who's been writing lyrics for as
long as I can remember. Or Is just mean the
world to me and that's why I love hosting this
show for you every Tuesday evening on Reality Radio one
on one point nine. I believe in my heart that
(00:46):
every song is a story. Tonight, I'm so excited to
have on the show Biz Bigsby born Wendell Bigsby, he
grew up in North Nashville, raised by his grandmother and
great aunts. After a childhood marked by tragedy, including witnessing
his mother shooting at the age of four and later
battling addiction. Despite the absence of his musician father, who
performed with legends like Little Richard and Jimmy Hendricks. Music
(01:09):
became business lifeline and his greatest source of expression.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And now welcome this week's special guest.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Welcome to show Biznis. How are you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm doing awesome? Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So reading your bio, obviously there's a little bit of
tragedy there, but tell us a little bit about how
you transformed that into the realm of music.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Actually, my life started as the first thing I can remember,
four years old, and I'm watching my dad on a
show called night Time, which was actually it was the
first show that was ever recorded live at African American
teenagers artists actually on TV.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Wow, that's great actually in the history of the world. Ever,
I didn't know that at.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
The time, right, And yeah, my grandmother let me stay
up on a Friday night ten o'clock and the show
came on.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I remember saying, there's your dad, And at that time,
I don't remember a lot about being four, but I
do remember going that looks like that's fine, and I
want to do that. And so I've been following that
ever since, just trying to try to live.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
In that shadow.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
He was gone doing this thing, and my mom had me,
and they were both teenagers and young, and my mom
had a she got caught up in the wrong thing
and got she was actually shot, and the guy brought
her home and just left her there and she fell up.
They opened the door and she fell in the living room,
right in front of me.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I wanted to go write something down right then, and
I didn't know how to.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I didn't know what to do. But I never forgot it.
So you know, God is good. Though. He took something
that was really.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Tragic and bert a life in me that wanted to
tell this story, and so I started there.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Okay, exactly what happened?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
What's your main instrument?
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I played a right with guitar and bass, To be honest,
I like to write with bass lines. I love bass lines,
and then I put the melody on top of that.
Then I normally grab some guitar players that.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Are help me.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
We'll finish, We'll finish what we got. I'm really good
with books and melodies. That's that's kind of my thing.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So tell us a little bit about your family, right,
anyone else musical? Are the new Dad?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Actually? No, my father is the only musical person in
my life.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And it's funny because I don't really I don't really
know a lot of people on his side of the family.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So for all I know, you know, there was the
Jackson's on another side, and I didn't even know it.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
He started at a very young age, and I think
it was nineteen when I was born. When I was born,
he was actually in la and that's when he met Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well that's when he met Little Richard and all of
those guys.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
But I'm the only person in my family that I
know of that does music at all.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I was raised by.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Aunts and my grandmother, and my grandmother would play a
little piano in church, but that's about it.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Are you influenced by any old records Sam Cook?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That most of those old Sam Cook and the Soul
Stirs albums when he was actually doing gospel music. I
used to hear my grandmother playing those when I was
growing up. And it's funny, Sam Cook's all his core
progressions were pretty much the same, but the songs were different.
That always resonated with me. It was just it felt
so genuine and real and yeah, so I still have
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Samn Cook influence and everything that I do.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
To be honest with.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You, here's a trick question for you. Who would you
want to be in a room with that our life.
You've named a couple of influences, but if you could
pick one, who would it be? Can I say?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sam? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You are Man?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Yeah, Sam cook Man, that's my guy. He did everything
and he started his first started the first publishing company.
H He was the first African American I alpapulogy. He
was the first one to realize what the business was
in music, and so I've always followed that lead. It's
music is awesome, but there's a business idea that you
(05:04):
have to have. And he was just so smooth with
everything he did church, R and B pop. He pretty
much did it all. I would love to sit down
and just just pick his brain and see what he
what he went do, and how he went doing and
how that influenced what he did.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
What you're kind of talking about here, do you think
a lot of people share that story or that background,
like it's goin to be tough, right, the background that
I have, no no, no, when you're talking about you're
talking about the culture back then, how not a lot
of people were doing what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It could be tough man, You're right, Yeah, it's a
curiosity like how did you go in the Deep South
and do your music and play and what was that
like and become successful.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Through all of it?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
You know it was I mean he ended up in
New York and doing he ended up integrating a.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Lot of clubs in New York.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I would love to hear what that was like. That
always shrieves me. You know, it's like you look at
one thing, but it's really more than that.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's more than the music.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
And then you want to know what influenced him to
write the songs that he voted and it had to
be the life he was living. I mean, Changed Don't
Come is one of the best songs ever written.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And the bad part about it is that he died
before it was ever released. Yeah, so he never heard it.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And these challenges that we have nowadays, right, we each
have our own cross to bear. But yes, one of
the challenges nowadays. I read a great article about how
there's nothing new, everything's been done right. Yes, when you
look at the Beach Boys, the Beatles, just all these
battles and all these now it's like they're like everything's
digital and no one's doing anything creative, right, But you
can talk about mixing, you could talk about using some
(06:42):
elements of AI and there are things that are being done,
but not the big things, because how many different chords
can you use, right, They've all kind of been done.
So I think it's always cool to see which side
of history you're on and just have an open.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Mind, right, Yes, yes, yeah, I was having a conversation
about that today.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, you can embrace the past, but you have
to lift the future.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You have to. You can't stay in either one. You
have to go to both.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And if you don't change and you don't keep up,
you'll get left behind.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Tell us a little bit about this song that we're
going to hear in a few minutes. What inspired this one?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Here in this town, Like my bio says, I'm from Nashville, Tennessee,
North Nashville, which was in the mid sixties and early seventies,
they had a construction that built an interstate completely through
North Nashville and it totally choked off the entire community.
I think it was a twenty cross streets that were
just gone.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So you look up and there are no stores.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
That just kind of choked the neighborhood off, right, and
I remember hearing about that and growing up at the
end of that. And there was a street called Jefferson
Street that was If you think Beal Street was great
in message, Jefferson Street was just as great as Nashville.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I mean there was everybody from from.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Count Basie to Duke Ellington and Little rich all of
those cats. They would play on Jefferson Street after they
would go do their gigs, they would come down there
and play.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
That's so cool. It was.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It was really and my dad was right in the
middle of all of that. So I had an uncle
that had a club. They're called the Dale Morocca.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
And Hendricks actually lived in a room upstairs above the.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Club and they would, you know, they would all.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Just get together on Friday and Saturday nights and just play.
So that choked off at that whole vibe. And I
remember mister Ferguson having to close the store, you know
what I mean, people just you couldn't get to it anymore.
So that's what inspired the song. And now I think
Natural is with the middle of what's going on and
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how gentrification is coming and kind of eating up the city.
It completely changed it, but now it's coming back, but
it's coming back different.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's the same suit, but the bowl is different. So
that's what it's about.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Uh, it's it's it's personal, but I think most cities.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Are going through transformations right now. So it's it's.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Personal, but it's it's something that I think everybody can
relate you.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, I'll tell you what. Let's take
a listen to it and then we'll come back and
talk tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Okay, awesome, thank you?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
All right, everybody check this out? Here we go? How
did we get here?
Speaker 6 (09:26):
We're a long way from where it be again?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Screen, but you don't hear?
Speaker 8 (09:35):
How much more do you think I can stay? Can't
just see me lying here?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Look at me.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
I'm dying, ye, I see what you're doing, trying to
made me feel less of um made.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
You don't think that I could see? It was done
so surgically, breaking up my family, trying to take the
life from me.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
But that's something bigger.
Speaker 10 (10:20):
And brighter, stronger, But it's lighter, it's deeper, so much wider,
unconditional waiting on me.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I can't let it go.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
I hold on to him, my treating the world that
is breaking me.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now because I gotta know.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Better ROAs and the concrete is growing against all the yard.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Here in this town. Yeah, here in this town.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Trying to stay strong now, but I'm losing my faith.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Won't be too long now.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Till it all slips away.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
You walked into my hood, into watch you wanted. Monday,
it's mine, but.
Speaker 11 (11:47):
By Friday you o me and I'm supposed to live now.
I love you anyway because that some the bigger.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
And brighter, stronger, But it's lighter, steeper, so much wider,
unconditional waiting on me.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I can't let it go.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I hold the old to my dreaming in the world
that is bringing me down because I.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Gotta know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That the worlds and.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
The concrete is growing.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I can't let it go.
Speaker 12 (12:44):
I hold the old to.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
My dreaming in the world that is breaking me down
because I gotta know.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
That roads and the concrete is growing against all the.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yad here in this town.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yeah, can't you groovy here in this town?
Speaker 7 (13:17):
You got a long way to go, but we'll get
here in this town.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
That's a cool vibe, man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So how do you get started? Is it lyrics talk
a little bit about the bass, Like, what's the way
that you prefer to write your songs.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They all come.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
At me differently, you know, it just depends on where
I am and you.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean, you're a song right, so you know.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
It just hits you when it hits you set down
in a room with Grammy Award winning songwriters and we
came up with absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
My goodness, man.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Everybody left them like, yeah, that was great, and everybody
was like, man, we just waited, I'll never get that
three hours and then then you could be driving out
the street and.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It just hits you, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
There there, I just call them divine winks every now
and then, because I mean melodies.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And things like that. There. I have nothing to do
with them. They just hit me. I'm pretty good at
catching that part of.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
It, holding on to it, and some of the things
I write alone. And then lately I've been doing a
lot of co writing, which is interesting because it's you
almost have to get out of your own way.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Sure, sometimes I was never privy privy to that growing
up and writing and doing music, but now it's it's
a pretty big deal in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Do you have any personal advice you would give someone
that wants to be a songwriter.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Do it because you love it. Don't do it for
the money.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
What money?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Exactly my point, You won't do it. It has to
be who you are man, not what you do. You know,
it just has to be a part of who you are.
But songwriting, I mean, there are a lot of great songs.
It's weird because you don't really know. You can't write
for people or for radio or for you have to
write for yourself. You almost have to be selfish when
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it comes to writing, and you can't really because you
don't know what's going to be what and what's going
to end up wearing.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So you have to be true to yourself.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
The worst thing that could happen is if you wrote
something that wasn't you and it became very and it
became a hit, and then you have to live the
life that isn't you.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, absolutely, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Mean to me, that's a purgatory I never want to
be in.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, it's a good problem to have, but yeah, that
would as much as I want to hit and I'll
play it like eight million times, I will never get
tired of it. It would suck to have that hit
be something you don't like or respect or not even
the genre that you really want to play.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, so you have to end up, but you have
to go there every day.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
And you know what I mean to massides that, because
that's how you're eating.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
But it's not what your spirit is.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It's uh, it's I guess my grandmother just say you
got to watch what you ask for sometime, and I
want to keep it true.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, that's definitely true.
Speaker 13 (16:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
So do you feel like connections are important to make
in this business?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Well, connections are important in anything, everything you do. I
spend my time with people I'm comfortable with. You know,
I know some really I know some people that are
really really good musicians, but I don't really have a
lot to say because they're just not good people. I
don't want to say it like that, but it's just
hard to Your connections are more important than anything. You
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will spend time and spend your money and spend your
energy with people that you're comfortable around. I tell my
son that a lot a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That's uh.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Most of the people that I deal with them people
that I'm int in college, right and I got to
know them and we grew up together.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So to speak. And we still were still connected in
some way.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
But if you want to get in this business, you
have to figure out and it's especially in the music
business man, because it's just so hard. There is no
there is no one way to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You know. It's not like going to law.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
School or going to med school where you Okay, I'm
gonna go four years and I'll.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Do this for four years and I'll start a residency.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
You don't ever know if you're ever going to be
successful at it.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You just have to do it because you love it.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, that's totally true. Is there a musical risk you
took that ever paid off that you want to share
with us?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Obviously, that's a very good question. That is a really
good question.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
This is the first time in my life I don't
have an answer for all questions.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Not really. I guess the answer would be no. Everything
that I pretty much can sleep at night.
Speaker 14 (17:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Let mean, there was I was on the road for
a while. I ran into a couple of people that
like I.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Used to be friends with, Well, Rick James would come
through now fit once a Yain and we will.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Kind of hang out every time you'll come through.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
And I had these songs that I wanted to give
him that I knew he would like, and I never
did it.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I don't know if that's the answer to the question,
but I.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Always was like, man, I wondered if he would have lied,
I probably should have just gave.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Him to him.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Yeah, I don't know if that's anywhere closer to answer.
You're probably talking about something musically that I did, but.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, that ass would.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Be not there's no right answer man on this show.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, well that's great because I to this day I
still think the song three or four of those songs
because you never know, you know, so I can never
open that can again.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
What's your favorite seventies jam, Need, Parliament, Funkadelic, Okay, cool?
Tell us about your typical day of the week. What happens?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Wake up, pray, get out of the bed, do seventy
push ups, go into the kitchen, make a bowler oak
meal with bananas, and then start right.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I gotta tell you, man, I'm disappointed to hear that.
I mean, just seventy, that's not that many.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I'm sixty six.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I'm teasing you, man, I'm teasing.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I feel like I'm in high school gym class where
you have to push up and set.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Ups doing like you doing seventy.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
No, that's great, that's great, man, I'm just I'm just rising.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, man, it's good. That's that's kind of why I
say it that.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'm like, okay, I pretty DoD He really didn't care.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, number is just the routine of it all.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You just threw that out there. I just threw that out.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There, like, yeah, like a bowler ball.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I do like seven hundred push ups. You know.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
No, that's a that's a relative statement. Most people be like, dude,
I do seventy with one hand. Yeah, but but yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
That's that's my routine. I didn't I used to do
one hundred, but.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I stopped doing it because I didn't want to do
one hundred, so I stopped doing any of them. I'm like,
you know what, let me figure out, let me do
a few, and let's go from that.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But yeah, that's that's I.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Do that, and then I start writing and sometimes that
takes me all day, okay, And it's nothing like writing nothing,
it's nothing somemost like me and God won't go on
one on one.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I get lost in it, man, it's really cool. I
really get lost in it. It's kind of cool.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
I feel sorry for people that don't because it's like
it's it's almost it's therapeutic, you know what I mean,
Like everything you go through if you can write it
down and get it out of you, and then you
can also write down what other people are feeling but
they don't really know how to how to express it.
And you can write something and someone hears it and goes, man,
that's exactly how I feel, but I didn't know how
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to say it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's a powerful, powerful blessing to have.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
All right, man, I got two more questions for you.
One is, if you could be any animal, which one
would you be in?
Speaker 13 (20:47):
Why?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
An egle because he's an eagle. I don't even know how.
That's the only way I can answer that. Eagles up,
I mean, it's uh.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I saw. I stood up and saw one.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
One day and he literally did not flap his wings
for five minutes, and he was just catching like the current.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
He would just catch it. And I'm like, man, that's
how I want to live my life, you know what
I mean? Yeah, I want to be flapping and flapping
and flapping.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I just want to He just seemed like he didn't
care like a cat's man. He can do whatever he wants,
winning wants, and nobody's going to stop him.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah that's awesome all right. So last question, where can
people listen to your stuff by it? Stream it? Where
can they find you?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Bis BIGSB on all streaming platforms Big bigs B, Instagram,
biz bigs B, Facebook, Everything.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
On my website is bi TUESSI.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
The single is comes out on the twentieth and the
album dropped September twenty awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I want to thank you so much for being on
the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
It was a blast, and I hope you had a
good time too.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I had a great time. Thank you for having me.
This is a blessing. I do appreciate You're.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Welcome, biz and tell the fans out there thank you
for sharing a little bit of your precious time with
the two of us tonight. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
So if you're a songwriter with a story share we'd
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Yes that mine.
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his rise, playing in the dark. Man is a love
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been shot, a shot to be himself and know by else,
no by else.
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Saw that I so I want spread in st joy.
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So much, to tell, so much, to see.
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It's the way I want to be.
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Speaker 4 (00:25):
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welcome back to this songwriter Show. I'm your humble host Soronto,
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every song is a story. Tonight, I'm so excited to
have on the show Biz Bigsby born Wendell Bigsby, he
grew up in North Nashville, raised by his grandmother and
great aunts. After a childhood marked by tragedy, including witnessing
his mother shooting at the age of four and later
battling addiction. Despite the absence of his musician father, who
performed with legends like Little Richard and Jimmy Hendricks. Music
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became business lifeline and his greatest source of expression.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And now welcome this week's special guest.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Welcome to show Biznis. How are you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm doing awesome? Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So reading your bio, obviously there's a little bit of
tragedy there, but tell us a little bit about how
you transformed that into the realm of music.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Actually, my life started as the first thing I can remember,
four years old, and I'm watching my dad on a
show called night Time, which was actually it was the
first show that was ever recorded live at African American
teenagers artists actually on TV.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Wow, that's great actually in the history of the world. Ever,
I didn't know that at.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
The time, right, And yeah, my grandmother let me stay
up on a Friday night ten o'clock and the show
came on.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I remember saying, there's your dad, And at that time,
I don't remember a lot about being four, but I
do remember going that looks like that's fine, and I
want to do that. And so I've been following that
ever since, just trying to try to live.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
In that shadow.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
He was gone doing this thing, and my mom had me,
and they were both teenagers and young, and my mom
had a she got caught up in the wrong thing
and got she was actually shot, and the guy brought
her home and just left her there and she fell up.
They opened the door and she fell in the living room,
right in front of me.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I wanted to go write something down right then, and
I didn't know how to.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I didn't know what to do. But I never forgot it.
So you know, God is good. Though. He took something
that was really.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Tragic and bert a life in me that wanted to
tell this story, and so I started there.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Okay, exactly what happened?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
What's your main instrument?
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I played a right with guitar and bass, To be honest,
I like to write with bass lines. I love bass lines,
and then I put the melody on top of that.
Then I normally grab some guitar players that.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Are help me.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
We'll finish, We'll finish what we got. I'm really good
with books and melodies. That's that's kind of my thing.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So tell us a little bit about your family, right,
anyone else musical? Are the new Dad?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Actually? No, my father is the only musical person in
my life.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And it's funny because I don't really I don't really
know a lot of people on his side of the family.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So for all I know, you know, there was the
Jackson's on another side, and I didn't even know it.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
He started at a very young age, and I think
it was nineteen when I was born. When I was born,
he was actually in la and that's when he met Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well that's when he met Little Richard and all of
those guys.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
But I'm the only person in my family that I
know of that does music at all.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I was raised by.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Aunts and my grandmother, and my grandmother would play a
little piano in church, but that's about it.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Are you influenced by any old records Sam Cook?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That most of those old Sam Cook and the Soul
Stirs albums when he was actually doing gospel music. I
used to hear my grandmother playing those when I was
growing up. And it's funny, Sam Cook's all his core
progressions were pretty much the same, but the songs were different.
That always resonated with me. It was just it felt
so genuine and real and yeah, so I still have
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Samn Cook influence and everything that I do.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
To be honest with.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You, here's a trick question for you. Who would you
want to be in a room with that our life.
You've named a couple of influences, but if you could
pick one, who would it be? Can I say?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sam? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You are Man?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Yeah, Sam cook Man, that's my guy. He did everything
and he started his first started the first publishing company.
H He was the first African American I alpapulogy. He
was the first one to realize what the business was
in music, and so I've always followed that lead. It's
music is awesome, but there's a business idea that you
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have to have. And he was just so smooth with
everything he did church, R and B pop. He pretty
much did it all. I would love to sit down
and just just pick his brain and see what he
what he went do, and how he went doing and
how that influenced what he did.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
What you're kind of talking about here, do you think
a lot of people share that story or that background,
like it's goin to be tough, right, the background that
I have, no no, no, when you're talking about you're
talking about the culture back then, how not a lot
of people were doing what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It could be tough man, You're right, Yeah, it's a
curiosity like how did you go in the Deep South
and do your music and play and what was that
like and become successful.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Through all of it?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
You know it was I mean he ended up in
New York and doing he ended up integrating a.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Lot of clubs in New York.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I would love to hear what that was like. That
always shrieves me. You know, it's like you look at
one thing, but it's really more than that.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's more than the music.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
And then you want to know what influenced him to
write the songs that he voted and it had to
be the life he was living. I mean, Changed Don't
Come is one of the best songs ever written.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And the bad part about it is that he died
before it was ever released. Yeah, so he never heard it.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And these challenges that we have nowadays, right, we each
have our own cross to bear. But yes, one of
the challenges nowadays. I read a great article about how
there's nothing new, everything's been done right. Yes, when you
look at the Beach Boys, the Beatles, just all these
battles and all these now it's like they're like everything's
digital and no one's doing anything creative, right, But you
can talk about mixing, you could talk about using some
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elements of AI and there are things that are being done,
but not the big things, because how many different chords
can you use, right, They've all kind of been done.
So I think it's always cool to see which side
of history you're on and just have an open.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Mind, right, Yes, yes, yeah, I was having a conversation
about that today.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, you can embrace the past, but you have
to lift the future.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You have to. You can't stay in either one. You
have to go to both.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And if you don't change and you don't keep up,
you'll get left behind.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Tell us a little bit about this song that we're
going to hear in a few minutes. What inspired this one?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Here in this town, Like my bio says, I'm from Nashville, Tennessee,
North Nashville, which was in the mid sixties and early seventies,
they had a construction that built an interstate completely through
North Nashville and it totally choked off the entire community.
I think it was a twenty cross streets that were
just gone.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So you look up and there are no stores.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
That just kind of choked the neighborhood off, right, and
I remember hearing about that and growing up at the
end of that. And there was a street called Jefferson
Street that was If you think Beal Street was great
in message, Jefferson Street was just as great as Nashville.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I mean there was everybody from from.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Count Basie to Duke Ellington and Little rich all of
those cats. They would play on Jefferson Street after they
would go do their gigs, they would come down there
and play.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
That's so cool. It was.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It was really and my dad was right in the
middle of all of that. So I had an uncle
that had a club. They're called the Dale Morocca.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
And Hendricks actually lived in a room upstairs above the.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Club and they would, you know, they would all.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Just get together on Friday and Saturday nights and just play.
So that choked off at that whole vibe. And I
remember mister Ferguson having to close the store, you know
what I mean, people just you couldn't get to it anymore.
So that's what inspired the song. And now I think
Natural is with the middle of what's going on and
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how gentrification is coming and kind of eating up the city.
It completely changed it, but now it's coming back, but
it's coming back different.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's the same suit, but the bowl is different. So
that's what it's about.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Uh, it's it's it's personal, but I think most cities.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Are going through transformations right now. So it's it's.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Personal, but it's it's something that I think everybody can
relate you.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, I'll tell you what. Let's take
a listen to it and then we'll come back and
talk tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Okay, awesome, thank you?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
All right, everybody check this out? Here we go? How
did we get here?
Speaker 6 (09:26):
We're a long way from where it be again?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Screen, but you don't hear?
Speaker 8 (09:35):
How much more do you think I can stay? Can't
just see me lying here?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Look at me.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
I'm dying, ye, I see what you're doing, trying to
made me feel less of um made.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
You don't think that I could see? It was done
so surgically, breaking up my family, trying to take the
life from me.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
But that's something bigger.
Speaker 10 (10:20):
And brighter, stronger, But it's lighter, it's deeper, so much wider,
unconditional waiting on me.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I can't let it go.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
I hold on to him, my treating the world that
is breaking me.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now because I gotta know.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Better ROAs and the concrete is growing against all the yard.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Here in this town. Yeah, here in this town.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Trying to stay strong now, but I'm losing my faith.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Won't be too long now.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Till it all slips away.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
You walked into my hood, into watch you wanted. Monday,
it's mine, but.
Speaker 11 (11:47):
By Friday you o me and I'm supposed to live now.
I love you anyway because that some the bigger.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
And brighter, stronger, But it's lighter, steeper, so much wider,
unconditional waiting on me.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I can't let it go.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I hold the old to my dreaming in the world
that is bringing me down because I.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Gotta know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That the worlds and.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
The concrete is growing.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I can't let it go.
Speaker 12 (12:44):
I hold the old to.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
My dreaming in the world that is breaking me down
because I gotta know.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
That roads and the concrete is growing against all the.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yad here in this town.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yeah, can't you groovy here in this town?
Speaker 7 (13:17):
You got a long way to go, but we'll get
here in this town.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
That's a cool vibe, man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So how do you get started? Is it lyrics talk
a little bit about the bass, Like, what's the way
that you prefer to write your songs.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They all come.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
At me differently, you know, it just depends on where
I am and you.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean, you're a song right, so you know.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
It just hits you when it hits you set down
in a room with Grammy Award winning songwriters and we
came up with absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
My goodness, man.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Everybody left them like, yeah, that was great, and everybody
was like, man, we just waited, I'll never get that
three hours and then then you could be driving out
the street and.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It just hits you, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
There there, I just call them divine winks every now
and then, because I mean melodies.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And things like that. There. I have nothing to do
with them. They just hit me. I'm pretty good at
catching that part of.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
It, holding on to it, and some of the things
I write alone. And then lately I've been doing a
lot of co writing, which is interesting because it's you
almost have to get out of your own way.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Sure, sometimes I was never privy privy to that growing
up and writing and doing music, but now it's it's
a pretty big deal in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Do you have any personal advice you would give someone
that wants to be a songwriter.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Do it because you love it. Don't do it for
the money.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
What money?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Exactly my point, You won't do it. It has to
be who you are man, not what you do. You know,
it just has to be a part of who you are.
But songwriting, I mean, there are a lot of great songs.
It's weird because you don't really know. You can't write
for people or for radio or for you have to
write for yourself. You almost have to be selfish when
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it comes to writing, and you can't really because you
don't know what's going to be what and what's going
to end up wearing.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So you have to be true to yourself.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
The worst thing that could happen is if you wrote
something that wasn't you and it became very and it
became a hit, and then you have to live the
life that isn't you.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, absolutely, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Mean to me, that's a purgatory I never want to
be in.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, it's a good problem to have, but yeah, that
would as much as I want to hit and I'll
play it like eight million times, I will never get
tired of it. It would suck to have that hit
be something you don't like or respect or not even
the genre that you really want to play.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, so you have to end up, but you have
to go there every day.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
And you know what I mean to massides that, because
that's how you're eating.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
But it's not what your spirit is.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It's uh, it's I guess my grandmother just say you
got to watch what you ask for sometime, and I
want to keep it true.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, that's definitely true.
Speaker 13 (16:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
So do you feel like connections are important to make
in this business?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Well, connections are important in anything, everything you do. I
spend my time with people I'm comfortable with. You know,
I know some really I know some people that are
really really good musicians, but I don't really have a
lot to say because they're just not good people. I
don't want to say it like that, but it's just
hard to Your connections are more important than anything. You
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will spend time and spend your money and spend your
energy with people that you're comfortable around. I tell my
son that a lot a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That's uh.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Most of the people that I deal with them people
that I'm int in college, right and I got to
know them and we grew up together.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So to speak. And we still were still connected in
some way.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
But if you want to get in this business, you
have to figure out and it's especially in the music
business man, because it's just so hard. There is no
there is no one way to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You know. It's not like going to law.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
School or going to med school where you Okay, I'm
gonna go four years and I'll.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Do this for four years and I'll start a residency.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
You don't ever know if you're ever going to be
successful at it.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You just have to do it because you love it.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, that's totally true. Is there a musical risk you
took that ever paid off that you want to share
with us?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Obviously, that's a very good question. That is a really
good question.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
This is the first time in my life I don't
have an answer for all questions.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Not really. I guess the answer would be no. Everything
that I pretty much can sleep at night.
Speaker 14 (17:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Let mean, there was I was on the road for
a while. I ran into a couple of people that
like I.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Used to be friends with, Well, Rick James would come
through now fit once a Yain and we will.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Kind of hang out every time you'll come through.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
And I had these songs that I wanted to give
him that I knew he would like, and I never
did it.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I don't know if that's the answer to the question,
but I.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Always was like, man, I wondered if he would have lied,
I probably should have just gave.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Him to him.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Yeah, I don't know if that's anywhere closer to answer.
You're probably talking about something musically that I did, but.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, that ass would.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Be not there's no right answer man on this show.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, well that's great because I to this day I
still think the song three or four of those songs
because you never know, you know, so I can never
open that can again.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
What's your favorite seventies jam, Need, Parliament, Funkadelic, Okay, cool?
Tell us about your typical day of the week. What happens?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Wake up, pray, get out of the bed, do seventy
push ups, go into the kitchen, make a bowler oak
meal with bananas, and then start right.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I gotta tell you, man, I'm disappointed to hear that.
I mean, just seventy, that's not that many.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I'm sixty six.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I'm teasing you, man, I'm teasing.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I feel like I'm in high school gym class where
you have to push up and set.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Ups doing like you doing seventy.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
No, that's great, that's great, man, I'm just I'm just rising.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, man, it's good. That's that's kind of why I
say it that.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'm like, okay, I pretty DoD He really didn't care.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, number is just the routine of it all.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You just threw that out there. I just threw that out.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There, like, yeah, like a bowler ball.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I do like seven hundred push ups. You know.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
No, that's a that's a relative statement. Most people be like, dude,
I do seventy with one hand. Yeah, but but yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
That's that's my routine. I didn't I used to do
one hundred, but.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I stopped doing it because I didn't want to do
one hundred, so I stopped doing any of them. I'm like,
you know what, let me figure out, let me do
a few, and let's go from that.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But yeah, that's that's I.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Do that, and then I start writing and sometimes that
takes me all day, okay, And it's nothing like writing nothing,
it's nothing somemost like me and God won't go on
one on one.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I get lost in it, man, it's really cool. I
really get lost in it. It's kind of cool.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
I feel sorry for people that don't because it's like
it's it's almost it's therapeutic, you know what I mean,
Like everything you go through if you can write it
down and get it out of you, and then you
can also write down what other people are feeling but
they don't really know how to how to express it.
And you can write something and someone hears it and goes, man,
that's exactly how I feel, but I didn't know how
(20:38):
to say it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's a powerful, powerful blessing to have.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
All right, man, I got two more questions for you.
One is, if you could be any animal, which one
would you be in?
Speaker 13 (20:47):
Why?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
An egle because he's an eagle. I don't even know how.
That's the only way I can answer that. Eagles up,
I mean, it's uh.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I saw. I stood up and saw one.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
One day and he literally did not flap his wings
for five minutes, and he was just catching like the current.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
He would just catch it. And I'm like, man, that's
how I want to live my life, you know what
I mean? Yeah, I want to be flapping and flapping
and flapping.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I just want to He just seemed like he didn't
care like a cat's man. He can do whatever he wants,
winning wants, and nobody's going to stop him.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah that's awesome all right. So last question, where can
people listen to your stuff by it? Stream it? Where
can they find you?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Bis BIGSB on all streaming platforms Big bigs B, Instagram,
biz bigs B, Facebook, Everything.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
On my website is bi TUESSI.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
The single is comes out on the twentieth and the
album dropped September twenty awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I want to thank you so much for being on
the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
It was a blast, and I hope you had a
good time too.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I had a great time. Thank you for having me.
This is a blessing. I do appreciate You're.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Welcome, biz and tell the fans out there thank you
for sharing a little bit of your precious time with
the two of us tonight. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
So if you're a songwriter with a story share we'd
love to hear from you, head over to songwriter show
dot com and submit the interview request for him to
all the listeners. I hope this episode has inspired you
to explore your own stories through music. My name is
(22:21):
Smantos and as always, it's been a real pleasure having
you with us tonight. Join me every single Tuesday night,
your other awesome, incredible artists from all around the world,
sharing their unique stories right here on Reality Radio one
on one point nine. I love you all, have a
great night. I have a simple mission.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yes that mine.
Speaker 14 (23:04):
Is a great Chiu, tender in his heart, fighting for
his rise, playing in the dark. Man is a love
maker of his home, protector of his own. Man has
(23:27):
been shot, a shot to be himself and know by else,
no by else.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
I ship.
Speaker 12 (23:49):
I try so.
Speaker 13 (23:52):
To be.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
Saw that I so I want spread in st joy.
Speaker 14 (24:09):
So much, to tell, so much, to see.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
For better or farmers.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It's the way I want to be.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
An At.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I want why.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That is an ad.
Speaker 14 (24:36):
Want to be myself and nobody.
Speaker 12 (24:44):
Why.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Yes, but.
Speaker 12 (25:01):
I want the ship.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I try to so.
Speaker 12 (25:11):
To what I have to saw that I spread Spetial,
(25:54):
Why don't.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
You tell me what you want? Tell me what.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
You see and what you believe.
Speaker 14 (26:07):
Tell me how you feel, does it Furial?
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Tell me if you cry in the.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Middle of the night, tell.
Speaker 13 (26:20):
Me what backn and I will try to know because
I love I love.
Speaker 12 (26:32):
You, shap I try to say to be sad that I.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Love space spatial.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Thank you for listening to The Songwriter Show. To keep
the momentum.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Going, head over to www.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Dot songwriter show dot com and join our free music
community of artists, songwriters, and producers.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That's www.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Dot songwriter Show dot com.
Speaker 12 (28:23):
Many many, many, and at no hang Hello, no hang ahead.
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