Today on Politics Friday John MacDonald was joined by Labour’s Megan Woods and National’s Hamish Campbell to dig into the biggest topics from the week.
With Newshub airing its final broadcast tonight, they reflected on the media landscape and discussed the new Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill.
Who is responsible for speed limits, local councils or the central government? And Megan offers a new name for the stadium.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hames Campbell from National Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good morning, John, How are you very well, Megan Woods Labor.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Morning Morning, John Morning, Hamish.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Shall I start with some breaking news, Hamish. And this
was before you even arrived to Megan, Hamish, hold off,
hold off the press. So Hamish was inquiring after my health. Well,
if you were inquiring after you said more along lines
were the heavily been for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's more polite than yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But we were talking, we were talking about illness and
I said, oh, you know, it might have been bird flu,
man flu, and you said, hold on a minute, Hold
on a minute, man flu. Listen to this, Hamish. Former
health researcher confirmed this morning that man flu is a thing.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Explain that so may als produce.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Less antibodies when in relation to vaccines or viral infection,
So actually immune system kind of kicking off. So actually
we do, we probably fight viruses worst and then then
then as a trade off though, we are less likely
to get autoimmune disease. So three quarters of the people
that develop autoimmune diseases such as lupus multiple sclerosis are female.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And one of your MP's got men flues today you're
gathering an auckland.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, No, it wasn't to the extremes of man flow.
I don't think you had. But I will say it
is really good to have men explaining to it to
women out there what they've known for form of flow
that men. So men'splaining brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All right, let's continue as we have begun. Let's just
a quick quick touch on the UK elections. Uh, making
you surprised?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, No, I think every pole has been showing this
for months in terms of I mean, I think one
of the things that what we've seen in terms of
the endorsements that have been coming out for Labor. Of course,
with the media formally endorsing parties in the UK, you know,
it hasn't been radical leffering rags that have been telling
people to go out and vote Labor. The Financial Times
(02:13):
came out in endoorced Labor. All the commentary listening on
the way here seems to be who's going to replace
Sunac and who's going to be left in order to
replace sunk. So I think what we're seeing is polling
Day seems to be showing the exit polling showing that
Polling Day is showing what the polling leading up to
(02:36):
this was saying.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Do you think though, that Kirstan will think if this
turns out, you know, eventuates what the exit polling is
showing is thinking, actually, this is this is more than
I needed, because because he will have people voting for
him that come next election will be very difficult to
hold on to because he will just get a lot
of protest to vote rather than just have a majority
(02:57):
of the government, would you and not.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
A situation that we're unfamiliar with you job. So it's
I mean, it is a massive majority that it's looking
like a caucus that we can't even imagine the size
of when you're talking about the hundreds. I mean, we
thought a caucus of sixty odd was messive after the
twenty twenty election, but it's quite a different structure in
the UK. I mean, everybody is a constituency MP. I
(03:22):
think that's probably one of the differences as well. But
I think what we're seeing in globally is political tides
coming in and out far far further than they traditionally have,
so big wins don't come without challenges, And I mean
I think New Zealand Labor would be the first to
remind to rind our colleagues in the UK of that,
(03:42):
Yeah ha much.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Can we got any mates on the Tory Party? No,
I don't actually, so you won't be texting them on tonight.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So I think it's really important that all governments focus
on what's the needs of the country. And when governments
focus on themselves, that's when they get punished. And I
think that's really an important point to remember, and that's
something will continue to be in the forefront of our
minds as we go forward.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Media, the Media Bill, the Nationals rehashing from Labor, how
come it's time last year you were pulling it and
now it's uh, the greatest thing there is.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
There is some modifications and amendments to it. I think
everybody wants to have a fear that wants to have
kind of local journalism done well. We've seen over the
last few years attempts that have have gone really poorly.
We've seen the lack of trust in media now and
the kind of perception that maybe some of the previous
attempts have been have influenced the outcome.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's just.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
The listeners.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Know, just mean you would say that. But what on
earth are you saying that?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Look, I'm saying I'm saying some of the previous attempts.
We wanted to make sure that we can actually have
a thriving media sector here in New Zealand. We want
good local stories. We one good local content. The media
sector is struggling at the moment, so we do need
to look at ways in which we can support them.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So why are you putting Shorten story down to three
nights a week.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I'm not a Shortland three watcher, but I'm sure that
that will be important for some people.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
All right, So mean, Meghan Woods, how on earth did
you even think last year that you could tell Facebook
what to do? You're dreaming, aren't you, Just like the
current government's dreaming.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Look, there are other places in the world that do
this is the first thing, and I think that we.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We'll hold on. And Facebook's putting out in Australia at
the end of this year, and in Canada, Facebook said
they are not interested. And you've got a whole lot
more disinformation on social media.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And this is we are actually having countries bending together
around this kind of thing is important because Facebook up
all out of every week like the christ A call,
and it is important that we're moving to a different model.
John and I do actually just want to hold Hamish
to account on some of the things he said. We
have heard ridiculous conspiracy theories were far too long. I
(06:07):
know how much I'll have my say now that the
Public Interest Journalism Fund somehow influenced the report, it's a
very different thing dancing on the KEPI conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Put a teck on both of you, right, it's your
It's your turn, Megan and much. Will you please respect that?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I totally you.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, it is absolute nonsense to say that public funding
going into journalism in New Zealand in any way influenced
the kind of reporting that happened. We have had for
decades publicly funded journalism in this country, and it does
nobody any good to have politicians going around alleging that
(06:51):
that in some ways compromises the quality of reporting that
we're getting. But in terms of the bill that we've
currently got there now, one of the things that we
will be asking questions about, because this was our bill,
one of the amendments that we will be asking questions
is why as the minister would decide that's quite a
big amendment to the bill. And I'm not sure that
(07:13):
that is the first person, but we will be supporting
the bill. Willie Jackson's certainly made that clear. But there's
some questions when it goes to Select committee, why that
amendment and what that's trying to achieve.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Laura, Yeah, look, and I'm going to push back on you, Meghan.
I did not say it influenced the quality of a journalism.
I said it had the perception and it's a very
different different thing.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Perceptions peddled by politicians. Hamish.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, so look, it is as important we do need
to avoid any unattended consequences. We want to make sure
that there's a backstop, and Meghan said, we do need
to do band together with other countries and so we're
making the legislation more like the Australian model so we
can actually have consistency between the two other countries as
we go against against some of these other tech giants.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
How influence was the timing of the announcement by the
pen enclosure of news Hub couldn't you couldn't have gone
into today all the coverage of news sub closing and
the government having done nothing. Oh, that's the thing labored
the last year. Let's just put this out.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Look, I think that there's been there's been, this has
been going on.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Answer the answer that question?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Please? Is this been going a long time? We do
need to look at what we're going to do. Media
taste our changing.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Would you would you have made the announcement of closing
this fright?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You'd have to ask Paul gold question.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But the thing is that you don't have an answer.
Will move on? Ok about having a roof over your head? Housing?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And the housing plan that the government is talking about. Megan,
where do you see this going? Do you see this
being a solution or creating more of a problem with
this whole idea of developers and the market determining whether
apartments should have balconies or what the floor space should be.
What's your take?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Look, one of the bigger shows around apartments is actually
where they are, not banks will lend and what deposit
you need? So I think it's forty square meters or
or if it's smaller than forty square meters, you've going
to have a fifty percent deposit. That was changed a
while ago. It was it was increased, but ultimately it's
really the banks that are making the decision because a
(09:19):
lot of these studio apartments are aimed at first home buyers,
but the idea of having fifty percent deposit on that
just makes it an untenable option in terms of having
a variety of choices for people in terms of housing.
I think it is important that we have that. I
mean a big part of what we did, some of
it was studio apartments for first home buyers get an equality.
(09:40):
So not opposed to it, but it's not an answer
to everything. It's got to be part of a mix.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Previously, Labor National will joined at the hip for a
very short amount of time on housing and intensification. You're
going to sign up to National's plan.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Well, one of the things I'd be really wary of,
John is, of course we entered in good faith into
their agreement.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
To sign up to them.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We'll have to look at the detail. I don't even
know if there's a letter station that's coming, but what
I will say is that one of the things that
does consume me in the housing plan is the requirement
for councils to have thirty year Liverpool zones that's all
well and good, but it's still unclear and I can't
get a clear answer from the Minister exactly what that
(10:24):
means in terms of what's built. In terms of infrastructure,
it's one thing to have land, it is another thing
to have built ready land. New Zealand doesn't have a
lack of land for housing. That has a lack of
land with the infrastructure that you can go and build
housing on. And I don't know where the money's coming
from from that because there certainly wasn't any in the
budget and is government is going to push this onto Council.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And probably probably Hames Cable. Would you live in a
one of these shoe box apartments?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Look, I think there's going to be. It's not going
to be for everybody, but I think it's Is it
for you? Well, look, there's different people go through different
stages of life. Currently in the stage probably not, but
then other people will have tiny homes. Is multiple ways
that we need to look at as people move through
through life. Young, young professional without any kids, probably a
(11:13):
really perfect perfect thing, be ideal and look, housing I
think is one of our biggest issues. We've seen a huge,
huge increase in unaffordability of housing. Over the last six years,
we've seen rents go up. We really need to do something.
I actually think it's probably one of the biggest issues
facing facing the country.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
All Right, Okay, a couple of quick questions about schools.
First one, testing kids from the age of five.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
You for it or not, Megan, I'm against it if
it's the only thing. The thing that I'm concerned about
is the funding has been cut for reading recovery. So
if you're going to test kids and find that they're
they're not up to where they should be, you need
to have that funding there to do the one on
one tutoring, but that's been cut. So testing for testing
sake absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
All right? Is the money coming to support the look?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And I think you should ask that question to me
as well, whether I'm for it totally for of course, Look,
I have skin skinned the game. I've got two young daughters. Primar,
I want to know what they're doing. I don't want
to be going blind to know that when they had
high school that they can't read.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And I.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Agree with your Megan agrees, You've got to be quick.
Is there money to deliver the solutions to the issues
that will be identified through this testing.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, and I think I think that you've kind of
ras a really good point. It's about progress, progress monitoring
to make sure we are getting it. If you look
in the budget, there's there's money towards make sure that
there's more support for especially for English as a second language,
and also for a professional development for teachers, more books
(12:45):
and more resources.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
We'll get on the stadium shortly business.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Sorry, John, So I think that was a no. No
funding for reading recovery.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
There's different what there's different models the way we can
actually bring students up and the thing is readal coverage.
We are moving away to a more structured literacy approach,
but we do need to make sure we're lifting education
achievements for all.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So one model's doing it with money, what's the other
model doing without money? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
What are we're not doing without without money? As alluded to,
there's a number of things in the budget to actually
support support students. I think kind of when we're looking
at and it's not kind of it's for from the
years of three eight, it's twice a year. There's going
to be progress monitoring for shooting. It's a kind of
it was not testing kids every day they go to school.
We need to make sure they're doing well so when
(13:34):
the time they had high school they can.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Put to right. Okay, Lester, this is a speed dating
the one the other stream of the school thing. Then
well then we'll move on. There's another thing to fit
in as well. Speed limits outside school is thirty k's
twenty four hours a day or just during drop off
and pick up time, Homish.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Just during drop off time, began Woods.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Drop off and pick up time. It's a really important part.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
All right. And who's best to decide speed limus will
set them? Local councils, Hamish, Campbell or central government?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well I think kind of we do need to make
a difference between local roads.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And yeah, yeah, who's bes to determine councils, Vegan Woods councils.
It's not what your transportments are saying.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, no, what I'm saying is we're going to lift
kind of blanket rules so they can have more toa.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Megan, do you think to Kaha should have been kept
in the name in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Look, I'm reasonably pragmatic about this. We're always going to
have to find a sponsor for the stadium. What the
public call it is often quite different than what the
official name is. Like Lancaster Park at some point changed
its name. I never called it anything but Lancaster Park,
and I think a lot of Christich people were probably
the same. So the reality is it's going to be
(14:43):
the best stadium in the country. I think Cantebrians just
want the stadium. I think the name's probably the least
of the worry. I think everyone's getting excited seeing it
go up, and you know, I think probably a lot
of people will continue to call it to Kaha because
often there's a difference those names change according to the
sponsorship deal.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In canterbur and christ Church have changed more than people
changed anything else. I might want to name Hams Campbell.
Do you think the car should have been kept?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Once again, I'm also pragging back about it. One New
Zealand stadium kind of shows that we're the best. Number
one in New Zealand's best stadium is going to be
I think it's going to be really exciting to be opening,
and if you think about what's going to bring the city,
it's after sporting events. People are just going to spell
into town. The atmosphere is going to be great, So
it's going to be excellent when it opens.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
John, I think you should lead a campaign for us
to affectionately call it onesie. No go on, John.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
The one I think you might have started. You might
you might have started something there. Did you just come
up with them or someone that wording your erabell?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
It just came. It came to me in a flash
of light, Job the ones I, let me go, let
me go to Let me just refer you to Ben
who's been in touch on ninety two ninety two.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
It says you a labor voter. You seem to defend
and back up Woods a lot being you're going to
love this, Megan. I love that idea. So we've got
the cake tin and we've got that, we had the
House of Pain, and now we've got the onesie. Yeah,
you can't have said the man in a certain time
(16:29):
of course that Look.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He had the Crusades, a great rugby team, and you're
going to call them like hold on, they had the ship,
they had a bird of this year, But how many championships?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Young kind of I don't think it's intended as I
don't think you're getting the vibe here, Hamish, it's not
a it's not some kind of slur on the Crusaders.
It's as a woman embracing name for stadium.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I don't know why, but I'm feeling particular.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Crusaders want to come and give a team a cattle.
We're about to win.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Tell that to Rob Penny, Amos Campbell, Well gone gone,
tell it Rob Penny, not the memo.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
We'll move on.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We will move on. We'll see you next time. Thank you, Hamish.
Oh why do you feel so uncomfortable about that?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
About the ones?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Know about Rob Penny? All right, We'll moved on. Megan Woods,
thank you for turning up. Brilliant to see you. You're listening, Ben,
and for sharing your brilliant idea.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Thank you, John.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hames Campbell from National Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good morning, John, How are you very well, Megan Woods Labor.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Morning Morning, John Morning, Hamish.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Shall I start with some breaking news, Hamish. And this
was before you even arrived to Megan, Hamish, hold off,
hold off the press. So Hamish was inquiring after my health. Well,
if you were inquiring after you said more along lines
were the heavily been for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's more polite than yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But we were talking, we were talking about illness and
I said, oh, you know, it might have been bird flu,
man flu, and you said, hold on a minute, Hold
on a minute, man flu. Listen to this, Hamish. Former
health researcher confirmed this morning that man flu is a thing.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Explain that so may als produce.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Less antibodies when in relation to vaccines or viral infection,
So actually immune system kind of kicking off. So actually
we do, we probably fight viruses worst and then then
then as a trade off though, we are less likely
to get autoimmune disease. So three quarters of the people
that develop autoimmune diseases such as lupus multiple sclerosis are female.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And one of your MP's got men flues today you're
gathering an auckland.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, No, it wasn't to the extremes of man flow.
I don't think you had. But I will say it
is really good to have men explaining to it to
women out there what they've known for form of flow
that men. So men'splaining brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All right, let's continue as we have begun. Let's just
a quick quick touch on the UK elections. Uh, making
you surprised?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, No, I think every pole has been showing this
for months in terms of I mean, I think one
of the things that what we've seen in terms of
the endorsements that have been coming out for Labor. Of course,
with the media formally endorsing parties in the UK, you know,
it hasn't been radical leffering rags that have been telling
people to go out and vote Labor. The Financial Times
(02:13):
came out in endoorced Labor. All the commentary listening on
the way here seems to be who's going to replace
Sunac and who's going to be left in order to
replace sunk. So I think what we're seeing is polling
Day seems to be showing the exit polling showing that
Polling Day is showing what the polling leading up to
(02:36):
this was saying.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Do you think though, that Kirstan will think if this
turns out, you know, eventuates what the exit polling is
showing is thinking, actually, this is this is more than
I needed, because because he will have people voting for
him that come next election will be very difficult to
hold on to because he will just get a lot
of protest to vote rather than just have a majority
(02:57):
of the government, would you and not.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
A situation that we're unfamiliar with you job. So it's
I mean, it is a massive majority that it's looking
like a caucus that we can't even imagine the size
of when you're talking about the hundreds. I mean, we
thought a caucus of sixty odd was messive after the
twenty twenty election, but it's quite a different structure in
the UK. I mean, everybody is a constituency MP. I
(03:22):
think that's probably one of the differences as well. But
I think what we're seeing in globally is political tides
coming in and out far far further than they traditionally have,
so big wins don't come without challenges, And I mean
I think New Zealand Labor would be the first to
remind to rind our colleagues in the UK of that,
(03:42):
Yeah ha much.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Can we got any mates on the Tory Party? No,
I don't actually, so you won't be texting them on tonight.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So I think it's really important that all governments focus
on what's the needs of the country. And when governments
focus on themselves, that's when they get punished. And I
think that's really an important point to remember, and that's
something will continue to be in the forefront of our
minds as we go forward.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Media, the Media Bill, the Nationals rehashing from Labor, how
come it's time last year you were pulling it and
now it's uh, the greatest thing there is.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
There is some modifications and amendments to it. I think
everybody wants to have a fear that wants to have
kind of local journalism done well. We've seen over the
last few years attempts that have have gone really poorly.
We've seen the lack of trust in media now and
the kind of perception that maybe some of the previous
attempts have been have influenced the outcome.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's just.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
The listeners.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Know, just mean you would say that. But what on
earth are you saying that?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Look, I'm saying I'm saying some of the previous attempts.
We wanted to make sure that we can actually have
a thriving media sector here in New Zealand. We want
good local stories. We one good local content. The media
sector is struggling at the moment, so we do need
to look at ways in which we can support them.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So why are you putting Shorten story down to three
nights a week.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I'm not a Shortland three watcher, but I'm sure that
that will be important for some people.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
All right, So mean, Meghan Woods, how on earth did
you even think last year that you could tell Facebook
what to do? You're dreaming, aren't you, Just like the
current government's dreaming.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Look, there are other places in the world that do
this is the first thing, and I think that we.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We'll hold on. And Facebook's putting out in Australia at
the end of this year, and in Canada, Facebook said
they are not interested. And you've got a whole lot
more disinformation on social media.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And this is we are actually having countries bending together
around this kind of thing is important because Facebook up
all out of every week like the christ A call,
and it is important that we're moving to a different model.
John and I do actually just want to hold Hamish
to account on some of the things he said. We
have heard ridiculous conspiracy theories were far too long. I
(06:07):
know how much I'll have my say now that the
Public Interest Journalism Fund somehow influenced the report, it's a
very different thing dancing on the KEPI conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Put a teck on both of you, right, it's your
It's your turn, Megan and much. Will you please respect that?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I totally you.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, it is absolute nonsense to say that public funding
going into journalism in New Zealand in any way influenced
the kind of reporting that happened. We have had for
decades publicly funded journalism in this country, and it does
nobody any good to have politicians going around alleging that
(06:51):
that in some ways compromises the quality of reporting that
we're getting. But in terms of the bill that we've
currently got there now, one of the things that we
will be asking questions about, because this was our bill,
one of the amendments that we will be asking questions
is why as the minister would decide that's quite a
big amendment to the bill. And I'm not sure that
(07:13):
that is the first person, but we will be supporting
the bill. Willie Jackson's certainly made that clear. But there's
some questions when it goes to Select committee, why that
amendment and what that's trying to achieve.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Laura, Yeah, look, and I'm going to push back on you, Meghan.
I did not say it influenced the quality of a journalism.
I said it had the perception and it's a very
different different thing.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Perceptions peddled by politicians. Hamish.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, so look, it is as important we do need
to avoid any unattended consequences. We want to make sure
that there's a backstop, and Meghan said, we do need
to do band together with other countries and so we're
making the legislation more like the Australian model so we
can actually have consistency between the two other countries as
we go against against some of these other tech giants.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
How influence was the timing of the announcement by the
pen enclosure of news Hub couldn't you couldn't have gone
into today all the coverage of news sub closing and
the government having done nothing. Oh, that's the thing labored
the last year. Let's just put this out.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Look, I think that there's been there's been, this has
been going on.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Answer the answer that question?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Please? Is this been going a long time? We do
need to look at what we're going to do. Media
taste our changing.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Would you would you have made the announcement of closing
this fright?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You'd have to ask Paul gold question.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But the thing is that you don't have an answer.
Will move on? Ok about having a roof over your head? Housing?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And the housing plan that the government is talking about. Megan,
where do you see this going? Do you see this
being a solution or creating more of a problem with
this whole idea of developers and the market determining whether
apartments should have balconies or what the floor space should be.
What's your take?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Look, one of the bigger shows around apartments is actually
where they are, not banks will lend and what deposit
you need? So I think it's forty square meters or
or if it's smaller than forty square meters, you've going
to have a fifty percent deposit. That was changed a
while ago. It was it was increased, but ultimately it's
really the banks that are making the decision because a
(09:19):
lot of these studio apartments are aimed at first home buyers,
but the idea of having fifty percent deposit on that
just makes it an untenable option in terms of having
a variety of choices for people in terms of housing.
I think it is important that we have that. I
mean a big part of what we did, some of
it was studio apartments for first home buyers get an equality.
(09:40):
So not opposed to it, but it's not an answer
to everything. It's got to be part of a mix.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Previously, Labor National will joined at the hip for a
very short amount of time on housing and intensification. You're
going to sign up to National's plan.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Well, one of the things I'd be really wary of,
John is, of course we entered in good faith into
their agreement.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
To sign up to them.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We'll have to look at the detail. I don't even
know if there's a letter station that's coming, but what
I will say is that one of the things that
does consume me in the housing plan is the requirement
for councils to have thirty year Liverpool zones that's all
well and good, but it's still unclear and I can't
get a clear answer from the Minister exactly what that
(10:24):
means in terms of what's built. In terms of infrastructure,
it's one thing to have land, it is another thing
to have built ready land. New Zealand doesn't have a
lack of land for housing. That has a lack of
land with the infrastructure that you can go and build
housing on. And I don't know where the money's coming
from from that because there certainly wasn't any in the
budget and is government is going to push this onto Council.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And probably probably Hames Cable. Would you live in a
one of these shoe box apartments?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Look, I think there's going to be. It's not going
to be for everybody, but I think it's Is it
for you? Well, look, there's different people go through different
stages of life. Currently in the stage probably not, but
then other people will have tiny homes. Is multiple ways
that we need to look at as people move through
through life. Young, young professional without any kids, probably a
(11:13):
really perfect perfect thing, be ideal and look, housing I
think is one of our biggest issues. We've seen a huge,
huge increase in unaffordability of housing. Over the last six years,
we've seen rents go up. We really need to do something.
I actually think it's probably one of the biggest issues
facing facing the country.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
All Right, Okay, a couple of quick questions about schools.
First one, testing kids from the age of five.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
You for it or not, Megan, I'm against it if
it's the only thing. The thing that I'm concerned about
is the funding has been cut for reading recovery. So
if you're going to test kids and find that they're
they're not up to where they should be, you need
to have that funding there to do the one on
one tutoring, but that's been cut. So testing for testing
sake absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
All right? Is the money coming to support the look?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And I think you should ask that question to me
as well, whether I'm for it totally for of course, Look,
I have skin skinned the game. I've got two young daughters. Primar,
I want to know what they're doing. I don't want
to be going blind to know that when they had
high school that they can't read.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And I.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Agree with your Megan agrees, You've got to be quick.
Is there money to deliver the solutions to the issues
that will be identified through this testing.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, and I think I think that you've kind of
ras a really good point. It's about progress, progress monitoring
to make sure we are getting it. If you look
in the budget, there's there's money towards make sure that
there's more support for especially for English as a second language,
and also for a professional development for teachers, more books
(12:45):
and more resources.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
We'll get on the stadium shortly business.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Sorry, John, So I think that was a no. No
funding for reading recovery.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
There's different what there's different models the way we can
actually bring students up and the thing is readal coverage.
We are moving away to a more structured literacy approach,
but we do need to make sure we're lifting education
achievements for all.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So one model's doing it with money, what's the other
model doing without money? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
What are we're not doing without without money? As alluded to,
there's a number of things in the budget to actually
support support students. I think kind of when we're looking
at and it's not kind of it's for from the
years of three eight, it's twice a year. There's going
to be progress monitoring for shooting. It's a kind of
it was not testing kids every day they go to school.
We need to make sure they're doing well so when
(13:34):
the time they had high school they can.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Put to right. Okay, Lester, this is a speed dating
the one the other stream of the school thing. Then
well then we'll move on. There's another thing to fit
in as well. Speed limits outside school is thirty k's
twenty four hours a day or just during drop off
and pick up time, Homish.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Just during drop off time, began Woods.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Drop off and pick up time. It's a really important part.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
All right. And who's best to decide speed limus will
set them? Local councils, Hamish, Campbell or central government?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well I think kind of we do need to make
a difference between local roads.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And yeah, yeah, who's bes to determine councils, Vegan Woods councils.
It's not what your transportments are saying.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, no, what I'm saying is we're going to lift
kind of blanket rules so they can have more toa.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Megan, do you think to Kaha should have been kept
in the name in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Look, I'm reasonably pragmatic about this. We're always going to
have to find a sponsor for the stadium. What the
public call it is often quite different than what the
official name is. Like Lancaster Park at some point changed
its name. I never called it anything but Lancaster Park,
and I think a lot of Christich people were probably
the same. So the reality is it's going to be
(14:43):
the best stadium in the country. I think Cantebrians just
want the stadium. I think the name's probably the least
of the worry. I think everyone's getting excited seeing it
go up, and you know, I think probably a lot
of people will continue to call it to Kaha because
often there's a difference those names change according to the
sponsorship deal.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In canterbur and christ Church have changed more than people
changed anything else. I might want to name Hams Campbell.
Do you think the car should have been kept?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Once again, I'm also pragging back about it. One New
Zealand stadium kind of shows that we're the best. Number
one in New Zealand's best stadium is going to be
I think it's going to be really exciting to be opening,
and if you think about what's going to bring the city,
it's after sporting events. People are just going to spell
into town. The atmosphere is going to be great, So
it's going to be excellent when it opens.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
John, I think you should lead a campaign for us
to affectionately call it onesie. No go on, John.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
The one I think you might have started. You might
you might have started something there. Did you just come
up with them or someone that wording your erabell?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
It just came. It came to me in a flash
of light, Job the ones I, let me go, let
me go to Let me just refer you to Ben
who's been in touch on ninety two ninety two.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
It says you a labor voter. You seem to defend
and back up Woods a lot being you're going to
love this, Megan. I love that idea. So we've got
the cake tin and we've got that, we had the
House of Pain, and now we've got the onesie. Yeah,
you can't have said the man in a certain time
(16:29):
of course that Look.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He had the Crusades, a great rugby team, and you're
going to call them like hold on, they had the ship,
they had a bird of this year, But how many championships?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Young kind of I don't think it's intended as I
don't think you're getting the vibe here, Hamish, it's not
a it's not some kind of slur on the Crusaders.
It's as a woman embracing name for stadium.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I don't know why, but I'm feeling particular.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Crusaders want to come and give a team a cattle.
We're about to win.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Tell that to Rob Penny, Amos Campbell, Well gone gone,
tell it Rob Penny, not the memo.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
We'll move on.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We will move on. We'll see you next time. Thank you, Hamish.
Oh why do you feel so uncomfortable about that?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
About the ones?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Know about Rob Penny? All right, We'll moved on. Megan Woods,
thank you for turning up. Brilliant to see you. You're listening, Ben,
and for sharing your brilliant idea.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Thank you, John.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Politics Friday Back same time next week.
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