John MacDonald was joined by National’s Hamish Campbell and Labour’s Reuben Davidson for Politics Friday.
On the agenda today was yet another case of Oranga Tamariki failing to act on information pertaining to child welfare – is it time to start parenting courses to help with the stress of raising children?
A petition has launched, looking at banning the private sale and use of fireworks. Has their time in the publics' hands come and gone?
And the Government is considering performance-based pay for public sector bosses – does this idea have merit?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk ZB at.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Eight minutes past ten, weather's been playing havoc with politics.
Rider on the line, we have Ruben Davidson from Labor
in Wellington. Warning, Ruben, good.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Morning, good morning. You can listen from anywhere. Listen from Wellington.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right there we go proof and you're stuck there with
the weather. With the weather, flight's been canceled.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah. Look, we spent a little bit of time waiting
at the airport last night and the eyes a little
bit relieved when they said they wouldn't be flying eighty
hours out of Wellington given astrong the ones.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You were last night, I can imagine. So I was
back in on one today and one today and Hamish
Campbell from National warning, Hamish.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Good morning, John, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Get I got I gather Matt Doocey was stuck in Wellington.
He might be on a plane now. Is he got
a plane before you? Ruben? Is that is that how
it operates?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Government gets the planet's got his head in the clouds tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Very good heymus you are you and Wellington or you're
the last minute call up somewhere in can.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm stuck in Wellington as well, But anyway, making the
most of it, getting some work done up here when
we may have no other option.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
All right, let's look at or Tameriki. So the chief
arm Wardsman's not to impress that it had photographic evidence
of reports that the partner of the mother of some
young kids was causing causing problems. He says, no, no, no,
didn't didn't do good enough, and he's slamming OT all
over again. Reuben, any hope for a tamariki?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh look, I think a lot of hope for what
ung tamaiki. But I think also and I imagine you know,
Hamish probably agrees on this one. There are there are
issues at or Tamaiki, and there's ongoing work that any
government needs to do to support the work of worn
a tamariki. And I think that's why it's disappointing to
(01:59):
see that this current government cutting jobs, removing set in
double A and and you know doing it experiments with
boot camp.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
All right, what are the issues that you talk about
within OT.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, Look, it's it's hugely complicated work. There's there's you know,
structural structural change happening within or Taberniki, and it's I mean,
it is just very very complex issues that that ung
Tamariki is an organization and that the team of Orderingki
(02:33):
have to deal with. And I think what they need
is a is a support and resourcing so that they're
actually best placed to be able to do that work.
And that's in the interests of the people who are
engaged with.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, let's let's let's let's just remember. Let's just remember though, Reuben,
Thatmriki was cocking up under your government as well.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Look, I didn't deny that that or claim that these
challenges for Ordering Tamaiki are new, but I think what's
really important to remember is that these are very real,
real world challenges that what on Tamadaki has to deal with,
and if we're going to hold them responsible as we should,
(03:16):
we have to adequately resource them and support them to
be able to do this very important with it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Norahmis Campbell, what's the government going to do to sort
this out?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
And I think first of all, some of these reports
are very upsetting when you read through them and read
what's going on. Riven stars off really well with his
answer that that yes, it is a concern and we
both sides of the House need to support Aramatamriki did
come of probably go a little bit a little bit
to his labor talking points further on, but I think
kind of the Minister of Children that has very clearly
(03:48):
stated that the first and most important priority is to
show OT is focusing on the safety of children and
young people in that's care, and that's why she has
set some key performance indicators to try and really make
sure we can drive drive good outcomes for these people.
It is, as I say, it is very upseating to
read some of these supports.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, that doesn't it doesn't really it doesn't really answer
the question. Or maybe it is the answer the question,
and you're saying, hold on, are you saying KPIs is
all you're doing?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
But what are you doing? It was very easy to say, ok.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Frequent visits of children and care. It's about making sure
there's timeliness around reports of concern, supporting caregivers and making
sure that some of these issues when there arise, things
are put in place to actually make sure that we're
addressing the issues and concerns that that may may arise.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
All right, Rubin, we've been discussing on the show today
the suggestion by Dame Leslie Max that runs the Great
Potentials Foundation that we should make parenting part of the
school curriculum. What's your position on that?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I think, I think I think there's lots of ways
that that the life skills that are critical to making
great parents and raising strong families can happen with an
aurage cashing system, and probably do already in a lot
of places. But yeah, I mean, I think ultimately there's
(05:16):
the life skills that you learn at school should be
part of what contributes to you being able to be
a great parent.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
He mus What do you think, John, as a fellow parents,
you would probably appreciate the kids don't come with an
operation manual, And I think kind of for the majority
of parents out there, they're doing an absolute wonderful job.
As I move around and see some of some of
my kids friends parents, look what they're doing. They're working
(05:45):
really hard to make sure the best outcomes for their children.
So I just do want to have a real big
shout out to the parents out there that are doing
an next time job.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, but we've got to hit we've got a head
in the sand. If we think that even the best
parents aren't struggling. That's a dream, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You know, you're quite right, and that's why we're trying
to try and give as much support as possible, including
family boost so young kids can get into early childhood education,
because the thing is, it's all about kind of trading
to list children out of tough situations that they may
be in.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Hamus Campbell is the government a lily bit embarrassed now
that this offshore company that was going to come here
and build wind farms offshore is pulling out because of
the possibility of oil and gas exploration cracking up again.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, the thing is is that the Blue Float company
that had made a commercial decision to focus on the
operations and other jurisdictions, and one of the things they
did cite was uncertainty is the roots to market and
including not only allocation of seabed, but also for the
(06:54):
regulatory framework. And we're actually trying to address this, and
that's why we're moving at pace to ensure that there's
a regulatory framework for renewable energy offshore renewable energy in
place as soon as we put we can, because we
actually don't have that regime in place, and offshore wind
has been talked about for a number of years and
(07:14):
the previous government didn't do anything about kind of allowing
kind of the regulatary framework for it to exist.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So saying that the potential for offshore world and gas
exploration wasn't that much of a big deal, that perhaps
we see it as being for this company, well, I.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Think it's probably one of many factors.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Okay, So all right, So if it was a factor,
is a government embarrassed or regretting now?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I don't think. I don't think it was the only thing.
I think one of the biggest problems they had was
finding a route to market, and that is why we
need to have a regulary regime in for offshore energy.
We want to double New Zealand's renewable electricity generation. I
think everybody agrees that we need to build far more
renewable energy in New Zealand. We're going to have an
(08:03):
increased demand for energy as we move forward, and a course,
we want to make sure we had our net zero
by twenty fifty goal.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Was there a chance though, that this wind development was
actually going to deliver something sooner than any oil or
gas exploration Will.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Hamish, I think kind of.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think there's kind of probably a bit of a there.
When the previous government halted exploration, that also kind of
really strike investment and defer the development of our known
gas fields. And what we've seen over this year, we've
seen our gas ourutputs actually decrease and we've had a
very dry, very still winter, and so what's happened is
(08:43):
our hydrolakes have been really low and we have been
burning cold at a rate that we haven't done for
many years.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Reuben Davidson, are you guys sitting there in the labor
party smiling like cheshire cats at the snows?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, look, we're definitely not smiling like cheshire cat. I
think to come back to your parenting questions from earlier,
we've seen very clear evidence that, well I've des heard
from ham Hamish's case and where you and mister Bishop's case.
They believe in fairy tales because there is no territory
in the world where seabed mining co exists with wind generation,
(09:19):
and because seabed mining has been opened up, What what
what what happens? Blue Float and companies like it exit
the market?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Were they really were? They were? They really going to
come here. I mean, what what what genuine commitments had
they made?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Look, absolutely, they were committed to making this happen here
in New Zealand, and now they can't honor that commitment
because there simply is no way that they can do
what they need to serve to generate power. They can't
do these activities offshore with offshore wind because what Hamish
in the National Government are pushing through is the ability
(09:58):
to put a whole lot of things at risk for
New Zealand around environment, around trade, around huge costs of
clean up for this kind of thing when when and
when it goes wrong, bedged, the international reputation. But essentially
they've they've made it untenable for offshore wind generation because Hamish.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I mean, it's all very for you to say, oh, yes,
the company though they were more concerned about not having
appropriate regulations blah blah blah blah blah. That's one part
of it. But you've got to be reminded to it
that Blue Flight, which is the company, also signed that
open letter from the General Offshore and Wind Industry to
your government raising concerns about sea bed mining. So you
can't say it's all just one. The oil and gas
(10:41):
has had quite an impact on on on this project.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think there's, as I say, there's multiple things, and
I think Reuben was struggling to actually.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, no, no, no, no, ask the question as I'm
not aswering. I'm not. I'm not asking for your analysis
on Reuben's presentation. I'm asking for an answer to my question.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I want to double Mudoun's renewable elocricy generation and that's
why we're introducing the fast Right legislation. We've seen twenty
two renewable energy projects listed that include seven wind farms,
ten solar farms, five hydro schemes, including recontenting existing generation.
So the thing is offshore wind is one thing, but
(11:24):
we need to make sure we have a complete package
of renewable energy for news.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Out, Reuben Davidson, what's your attitude towards the government's move
to reintroduce performance pay for public sector bosses.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, look, I think we're looking at you top ups
for people on the highest wages already, right. I think
that it seems like a strange approach, especially at a
point in time where so many people working on the
public service. In the public sector has.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Been made redundant Habers Campbell. How will performance pay enable
public sector chief executives to be leaders of their people
without its creating division and without suspicions within government departments
that chief execus chief execs executives are more government puppets
(12:16):
than they are.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Ready, it's really important that we focus on accountability and
delivering measurable results for the improving the lives of all
these islanders. And so I think it's actually a good
move because of course we want to tie to our targets,
which in course leads to our targets include shorter days
(12:38):
in emergency departments, more students at reaching outcomes in the
education system. We've already talked about OT. We want to
make sure that we're driving the best results that we
can from the public service.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Right, so we have the hospital kicking more people out
of the emergency department because have they've got less people
to deal within. Their numbers will go out and then
you'll give the Head of Health New Zealand and bonus.
Is that how it works?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's not. It's about making sure we get the best
outcome from the public service.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The example, the example I've given is that fair or not.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
No, it's not fair just as one part of the
payment of executives, and of course there's other measures as well.
And the thing is, of course we've got to remember
that some of these people do have the best interest
of New Zealanders at heart as well, but we also
need to make sure that we're focusing on what we
(13:36):
want to achieve as a country.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right, let's move on.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Can I just that, sorry, but can I just say
ask ask in New Zealand in the street or in
the waiting room at one of our hospitals whether they'd
want to see thirty one thousand dollars, you know, invested
in a nurse or someone working frontline, or whether they'd
like to see it for health dent chief executives to
(13:59):
go from eight hundred and sixty four thousand a year
to eight hundred and ninety five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
That one they the money is, they'd want that. That's
that's so yeah, give give them the money to a
straw poll they anyway, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Plea's just be very clear. These these are very complex
roles that that we were asking people to do, and
they're doing it at a very discounted rate to probably
equivalent role in the private sector, and of course we
want to make sure we have the best people leading
our public public sector. Yes, we want to make sure
that everybody can have more money in their back pocket,
(14:36):
and hence that's why we've given nurses tax relief.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, all right, all right, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Are you saying, Homers that you think the chief Are
you saying, homers to the chief execution or the public
departments should actually be paid more.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Average about fifty to sixty percent of what their private
sector counterparts are being paid.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, but so should they?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Should there be should the very complex or organization.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Should they be paid more than as that we're saying.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Saying is that I think what we're looking at is
a range of options to make sure we're getting the
best public service for news out.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
All right, brilliant, Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
The public service chief executives got a much bigger tech
cuppy lesser.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Hey, hold on, you guys are in Wellington and you're
going to have this pick this up after we're finished off.
Let's let's get to the old chestnut. And we've got
paired owners around the country launching a petition calling for
a ban on private use of fireworks, and there was
an online poll and earlier this morning sixties percent of
people agreed with them. Heymus, do you agree it's time
to get rid of private use of fireworks or not?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Big fireworks user myself and I think what we've seen
is actually the community is using less and less fireworks
as it is. But I noticed that the petitions being
of course, where will listen to the community's concern about
the impact of fireworks.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So what's your position? They didn't say, then, what is
your position?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
So as I say, I'm not heavily involved in the
use of fireworks, so I'm open to what the community
communities are saying.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
All right, Ruben, have you got an opinion?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I do have an opinion, and I'm not afraid to
share it. I'm actually I have previously been a massive
fireworks fan and one of those people that rushed out
in the few days a year you were able to
buy them and purchase fireworks.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
But I have to say that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I'm also a pet owner myself, and I live in
a neighborhood of pet owners, and I have a spot
pile of old fireworks that I haven't felt able to
let off because I know the stress that it causes
to not just my pets, but to the other pets
in the area. I think we have amazing public displays,
particularly the one in New Brighton every year. It's probably
(16:52):
one of the best in New Zealand and an excellent
thing to come along and take a look at. But
also technology allows us to have these amazing drone shows now,
so I think it's probably time that we took a
pretty good look at this. Were have stopped selling fireworks
in twenty twenty one countdown stock selling fireworks in twenty nineteen.
I think I think there's probably a bit of a
(17:14):
shift in how people want to see and obtain fireworks.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
What's the what's the hall of fireworks at your place?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like, oh, look, it's a couple of boxes. Yeah, And
there're a slightly tricky thing to I've really got to
find out how do you get rid of fireworks without
leading them off, because that's that's probably what I probably
what I want to do with them, because there's no
way I want to be discharging two boxes of noisy,
(17:45):
spark emitting fireworks around.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I was just thinking we're the area. I was just
thinking we're going to have a politics Friday after party
at your place.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Look, I think that would be finally hypocritical on my part.
Even what I've just said about was in stressed to
eat and animals.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
But yeah, all right, okay, we'll just come around with
some drinks then, all right, Thanks Ruben, thank you, labors,
Ruben Davidson, Hames Campbell from National, thank you for your time.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hamish, you're there, You're there, Hamish, he's gone. I was
going to I was going to point out to Hamish,
they're on the phone and this really would have ruined
as long weekend. On the phone. He sounds us like
Chris Hipkins. I think Old Luxe will be getting some
(18:39):
speech lessons lined up after that one.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Eight minutes past ten, weather's been playing havoc with politics.
Rider on the line, we have Ruben Davidson from Labor
in Wellington. Warning, Ruben, good.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Morning, good morning. You can listen from anywhere. Listen from Wellington.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right there we go proof and you're stuck there with
the weather. With the weather, flight's been canceled.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah. Look, we spent a little bit of time waiting
at the airport last night and the eyes a little
bit relieved when they said they wouldn't be flying eighty
hours out of Wellington given astrong the ones.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You were last night, I can imagine. So I was
back in on one today and one today and Hamish
Campbell from National warning, Hamish.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Good morning, John, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Get I got I gather Matt Doocey was stuck in Wellington.
He might be on a plane now. Is he got
a plane before you? Ruben? Is that is that how
it operates?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Government gets the planet's got his head in the clouds tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Very good heymus you are you and Wellington or you're
the last minute call up somewhere in can.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm stuck in Wellington as well, But anyway, making the
most of it, getting some work done up here when
we may have no other option.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
All right, let's look at or Tameriki. So the chief
arm Wardsman's not to impress that it had photographic evidence
of reports that the partner of the mother of some
young kids was causing causing problems. He says, no, no, no,
didn't didn't do good enough, and he's slamming OT all
over again. Reuben, any hope for a tamariki?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh look, I think a lot of hope for what
ung tamaiki. But I think also and I imagine you know,
Hamish probably agrees on this one. There are there are
issues at or Tamaiki, and there's ongoing work that any
government needs to do to support the work of worn
a tamariki. And I think that's why it's disappointing to
(01:59):
see that this current government cutting jobs, removing set in
double A and and you know doing it experiments with
boot camp.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
All right, what are the issues that you talk about
within OT.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, Look, it's it's hugely complicated work. There's there's you know,
structural structural change happening within or Taberniki, and it's I mean,
it is just very very complex issues that that ung
Tamariki is an organization and that the team of Orderingki
(02:33):
have to deal with. And I think what they need
is a is a support and resourcing so that they're
actually best placed to be able to do that work.
And that's in the interests of the people who are
engaged with.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, let's let's let's let's just remember. Let's just remember though, Reuben,
Thatmriki was cocking up under your government as well.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Look, I didn't deny that that or claim that these
challenges for Ordering Tamaiki are new, but I think what's
really important to remember is that these are very real,
real world challenges that what on Tamadaki has to deal with,
and if we're going to hold them responsible as we should,
(03:16):
we have to adequately resource them and support them to
be able to do this very important with it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Norahmis Campbell, what's the government going to do to sort
this out?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
And I think first of all, some of these reports
are very upsetting when you read through them and read
what's going on. Riven stars off really well with his
answer that that yes, it is a concern and we
both sides of the House need to support Aramatamriki did
come of probably go a little bit a little bit
to his labor talking points further on, but I think
kind of the Minister of Children that has very clearly
(03:48):
stated that the first and most important priority is to
show OT is focusing on the safety of children and
young people in that's care, and that's why she has
set some key performance indicators to try and really make
sure we can drive drive good outcomes for these people.
It is, as I say, it is very upseating to
read some of these supports.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, that doesn't it doesn't really it doesn't really answer
the question. Or maybe it is the answer the question,
and you're saying, hold on, are you saying KPIs is
all you're doing?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
But what are you doing? It was very easy to say, ok.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Frequent visits of children and care. It's about making sure
there's timeliness around reports of concern, supporting caregivers and making
sure that some of these issues when there arise, things
are put in place to actually make sure that we're
addressing the issues and concerns that that may may arise.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
All right, Rubin, we've been discussing on the show today
the suggestion by Dame Leslie Max that runs the Great
Potentials Foundation that we should make parenting part of the
school curriculum. What's your position on that?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I think, I think I think there's lots of ways
that that the life skills that are critical to making
great parents and raising strong families can happen with an
aurage cashing system, and probably do already in a lot
of places. But yeah, I mean, I think ultimately there's
(05:16):
the life skills that you learn at school should be
part of what contributes to you being able to be
a great parent.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
He mus What do you think, John, as a fellow parents,
you would probably appreciate the kids don't come with an
operation manual, And I think kind of for the majority
of parents out there, they're doing an absolute wonderful job.
As I move around and see some of some of
my kids friends parents, look what they're doing. They're working
(05:45):
really hard to make sure the best outcomes for their children.
So I just do want to have a real big
shout out to the parents out there that are doing
an next time job.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, but we've got to hit we've got a head
in the sand. If we think that even the best
parents aren't struggling. That's a dream, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You know, you're quite right, and that's why we're trying
to try and give as much support as possible, including
family boost so young kids can get into early childhood education,
because the thing is, it's all about kind of trading
to list children out of tough situations that they may
be in.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Hamus Campbell is the government a lily bit embarrassed now
that this offshore company that was going to come here
and build wind farms offshore is pulling out because of
the possibility of oil and gas exploration cracking up again.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, the thing is is that the Blue Float company
that had made a commercial decision to focus on the
operations and other jurisdictions, and one of the things they
did cite was uncertainty is the roots to market and
including not only allocation of seabed, but also for the
(06:54):
regulatory framework. And we're actually trying to address this, and
that's why we're moving at pace to ensure that there's
a regulatory framework for renewable energy offshore renewable energy in
place as soon as we put we can, because we
actually don't have that regime in place, and offshore wind
has been talked about for a number of years and
(07:14):
the previous government didn't do anything about kind of allowing
kind of the regulatary framework for it to exist.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So saying that the potential for offshore world and gas
exploration wasn't that much of a big deal, that perhaps
we see it as being for this company, well, I.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Think it's probably one of many factors.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Okay, So all right, So if it was a factor,
is a government embarrassed or regretting now?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I don't think. I don't think it was the only thing.
I think one of the biggest problems they had was
finding a route to market, and that is why we
need to have a regulary regime in for offshore energy.
We want to double New Zealand's renewable electricity generation. I
think everybody agrees that we need to build far more
renewable energy in New Zealand. We're going to have an
(08:03):
increased demand for energy as we move forward, and a course,
we want to make sure we had our net zero
by twenty fifty goal.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Was there a chance though, that this wind development was
actually going to deliver something sooner than any oil or
gas exploration Will.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Hamish, I think kind of.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think there's kind of probably a bit of a there.
When the previous government halted exploration, that also kind of
really strike investment and defer the development of our known
gas fields. And what we've seen over this year, we've
seen our gas ourutputs actually decrease and we've had a
very dry, very still winter, and so what's happened is
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our hydrolakes have been really low and we have been
burning cold at a rate that we haven't done for
many years.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Reuben Davidson, are you guys sitting there in the labor
party smiling like cheshire cats at the snows?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, look, we're definitely not smiling like cheshire cat. I
think to come back to your parenting questions from earlier,
we've seen very clear evidence that, well I've des heard
from ham Hamish's case and where you and mister Bishop's case.
They believe in fairy tales because there is no territory
in the world where seabed mining co exists with wind generation,
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and because seabed mining has been opened up, What what
what what happens? Blue Float and companies like it exit
the market?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Were they really were? They were? They really going to
come here. I mean, what what what genuine commitments had
they made?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Look, absolutely, they were committed to making this happen here
in New Zealand, and now they can't honor that commitment
because there simply is no way that they can do
what they need to serve to generate power. They can't
do these activities offshore with offshore wind because what Hamish
in the National Government are pushing through is the ability
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to put a whole lot of things at risk for
New Zealand around environment, around trade, around huge costs of
clean up for this kind of thing when when and
when it goes wrong, bedged, the international reputation. But essentially
they've they've made it untenable for offshore wind generation because Hamish.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I mean, it's all very for you to say, oh, yes,
the company though they were more concerned about not having
appropriate regulations blah blah blah blah blah. That's one part
of it. But you've got to be reminded to it
that Blue Flight, which is the company, also signed that
open letter from the General Offshore and Wind Industry to
your government raising concerns about sea bed mining. So you
can't say it's all just one. The oil and gas
(10:41):
has had quite an impact on on on this project.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think there's, as I say, there's multiple things, and
I think Reuben was struggling to actually.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, no, no, no, no, ask the question as I'm
not aswering. I'm not. I'm not asking for your analysis
on Reuben's presentation. I'm asking for an answer to my question.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I want to double Mudoun's renewable elocricy generation and that's
why we're introducing the fast Right legislation. We've seen twenty
two renewable energy projects listed that include seven wind farms,
ten solar farms, five hydro schemes, including recontenting existing generation.
So the thing is offshore wind is one thing, but
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we need to make sure we have a complete package
of renewable energy for news.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Out, Reuben Davidson, what's your attitude towards the government's move
to reintroduce performance pay for public sector bosses.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, look, I think we're looking at you top ups
for people on the highest wages already, right. I think
that it seems like a strange approach, especially at a
point in time where so many people working on the
public service. In the public sector has.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Been made redundant Habers Campbell. How will performance pay enable
public sector chief executives to be leaders of their people
without its creating division and without suspicions within government departments
that chief execus chief execs executives are more government puppets
(12:16):
than they are.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Ready, it's really important that we focus on accountability and
delivering measurable results for the improving the lives of all
these islanders. And so I think it's actually a good
move because of course we want to tie to our targets,
which in course leads to our targets include shorter days
(12:38):
in emergency departments, more students at reaching outcomes in the
education system. We've already talked about OT. We want to
make sure that we're driving the best results that we
can from the public service.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Right, so we have the hospital kicking more people out
of the emergency department because have they've got less people
to deal within. Their numbers will go out and then
you'll give the Head of Health New Zealand and bonus.
Is that how it works?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's not. It's about making sure we get the best
outcome from the public service.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The example, the example I've given is that fair or not.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
No, it's not fair just as one part of the
payment of executives, and of course there's other measures as well.
And the thing is, of course we've got to remember
that some of these people do have the best interest
of New Zealanders at heart as well, but we also
need to make sure that we're focusing on what we
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want to achieve as a country.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right, let's move on.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Can I just that, sorry, but can I just say
ask ask in New Zealand in the street or in
the waiting room at one of our hospitals whether they'd
want to see thirty one thousand dollars, you know, invested
in a nurse or someone working frontline, or whether they'd
like to see it for health dent chief executives to
(13:59):
go from eight hundred and sixty four thousand a year
to eight hundred and ninety five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
That one they the money is, they'd want that. That's
that's so yeah, give give them the money to a
straw poll they anyway, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Plea's just be very clear. These these are very complex
roles that that we were asking people to do, and
they're doing it at a very discounted rate to probably
equivalent role in the private sector, and of course we
want to make sure we have the best people leading
our public public sector. Yes, we want to make sure
that everybody can have more money in their back pocket,
(14:36):
and hence that's why we've given nurses tax relief.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, all right, all right, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Are you saying, Homers that you think the chief Are
you saying, homers to the chief execution or the public
departments should actually be paid more.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Average about fifty to sixty percent of what their private
sector counterparts are being paid.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, but so should they?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Should there be should the very complex or organization.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Should they be paid more than as that we're saying.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Saying is that I think what we're looking at is
a range of options to make sure we're getting the
best public service for news out.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
All right, brilliant, Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
The public service chief executives got a much bigger tech
cuppy lesser.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Hey, hold on, you guys are in Wellington and you're
going to have this pick this up after we're finished off.
Let's let's get to the old chestnut. And we've got
paired owners around the country launching a petition calling for
a ban on private use of fireworks, and there was
an online poll and earlier this morning sixties percent of
people agreed with them. Heymus, do you agree it's time
to get rid of private use of fireworks or not?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Big fireworks user myself and I think what we've seen
is actually the community is using less and less fireworks
as it is. But I noticed that the petitions being
of course, where will listen to the community's concern about
the impact of fireworks.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So what's your position? They didn't say, then, what is
your position?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
So as I say, I'm not heavily involved in the
use of fireworks, so I'm open to what the community
communities are saying.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
All right, Ruben, have you got an opinion?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I do have an opinion, and I'm not afraid to
share it. I'm actually I have previously been a massive
fireworks fan and one of those people that rushed out
in the few days a year you were able to
buy them and purchase fireworks.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
But I have to say that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I'm also a pet owner myself, and I live in
a neighborhood of pet owners, and I have a spot
pile of old fireworks that I haven't felt able to
let off because I know the stress that it causes
to not just my pets, but to the other pets
in the area. I think we have amazing public displays,
particularly the one in New Brighton every year. It's probably
(16:52):
one of the best in New Zealand and an excellent
thing to come along and take a look at. But
also technology allows us to have these amazing drone shows now,
so I think it's probably time that we took a
pretty good look at this. Were have stopped selling fireworks
in twenty twenty one countdown stock selling fireworks in twenty nineteen.
I think I think there's probably a bit of a
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shift in how people want to see and obtain fireworks.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
What's the what's the hall of fireworks at your place?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like, oh, look, it's a couple of boxes. Yeah, And
there're a slightly tricky thing to I've really got to
find out how do you get rid of fireworks without
leading them off, because that's that's probably what I probably
what I want to do with them, because there's no
way I want to be discharging two boxes of noisy,
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spark emitting fireworks around.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I was just thinking we're the area. I was just
thinking we're going to have a politics Friday after party
at your place.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Look, I think that would be finally hypocritical on my part.
Even what I've just said about was in stressed to
eat and animals.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
But yeah, all right, okay, we'll just come around with
some drinks then, all right, Thanks Ruben, thank you, labors,
Ruben Davidson, Hames Campbell from National, thank you for your time.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hamish, you're there, You're there, Hamish, he's gone. I was
going to I was going to point out to Hamish,
they're on the phone and this really would have ruined
as long weekend. On the phone. He sounds us like
Chris Hipkins. I think Old Luxe will be getting some
(18:39):
speech lessons lined up after that one.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
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