John MacDonald was joined in studio by Vanessa Weenink and Reuben Davidson to delve into some of the biggest political stories of the week.
The US President has rolled out tariffs of at least 10% on almost all imported goods – what will this mean for our export market?
Is the need for housing in Canterbury so great that intensification is inevitable? And will the supermarket announcement make a tangible difference for Kiwis at the till any time soon?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Mornings podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk zb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Polticians will be in for politics Friday. Now this time
has arrived and now it's in our time. Vanessa Winning
from National Warning to you, Good morning, John Ruben Davidson
of Labor Warning to you, A very good morning to you. Okay,
I'm going to ask you that closer to the microphile.
I don't want to miss anything you've got to say
and orders Norda's Vanessa, Vanessa, your reaction to the trade tariffs.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It was disappointing but not surprising, and it's the kind
of thing where we'll have to adjust and work on
our trade deals that we've got around the world. We'll
need to boost those. And our government's still focused relentlessly
on economic growth.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
How did that last statement fit in with you?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We've got to, We've got to, We've got to. Absolutely
it shows the reason why we need to be relentlessly
focused on growing our economy and increasing our trade deals
all around the world. You've seen our Trade Minister, the
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Prime minis all around the
world working on diversifying where our trade is and working on.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That will this improve or how much will this improve
our chances with India? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm not certain about that. It is something that we're
really focused on, is getting a trade deal with India.
And look, if everyone in the world is getting tariffs,
then it's as though everything is upended and there is
a new reset, and I think it gives us something
(01:39):
more to discuss, It gives us something more to be
active about.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Ruben Davis, do you feel any different towards the States
today than you did before yesterday's announcement?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Well, I wasn't overly surprised, but I do think it
was proof that the heads down strategy, which is what
the government had been doing, kind of backfired and didn't work.
What do you mean, Well, Todd McClay looked pretty confused
and a bit bumbling and like he didn't really have
his head around it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I think that we said for most countries, couldn't it.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, but surely if you're the Trade Minister for New
Zealand and this has been signaled, you would have done
some thinking in advance of Okay, what happens if this happens,
or that happens, or this happens, it didn't seem like
the Minister had put that thought into it, and as
a result, I think it sent unnecessary shock waves into
our export community.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
All Right, the question was do you feel any different
towards the States today than you did before yesterday's announcement.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Well, I'm not overly surprised by it, and that's why
I was surprised that the Minister seemed surprised.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Vanessa, was the minister surprised or do you think the
minister was surprised.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I don't know how the Minister thought about it, but definitely,
definitely it's not a It wasn't a shock to us.
It was a surprise that they said that we had
twenty percent tariffs on the US. I think potentially they're
sort of trying to figure out where that comes from.
(03:08):
Potentially GST is seen in some way like that. So
that's fifteen percent, but we're still under two percent the
rest of it. I jokingly said, maybe they looked at
the descipment point wrong, Maybe that they saw two point
zero and thought it was twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Don't joke. Don't joke. What's your attitude? Rubit about housing
intensification in christ Church because the City Council wants to
just trying to push back further on implementing the government's policies.
How do you feel about more dense housing.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that
we need more houses in christ Church, So Vanessa, you
probably see that at your electric office too. We get
an increasing number of people coming through the door who
really need support to get into a house.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So what about the people who like we were talking
about on the show yesterday and people were getting in
touch saying, oh, there's heaps of houses and christ Church
there's heaps of land. You don't need to be sticking
these cookie cut of places next to each other so closely.
What's yours wants to that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, that's not I mean it depends who owns the
houses and who they're available for, right, So I don't
think we've got an over supply of houses in christ Church.
I do think we have available land to continue building on,
and we know that good cities probably need to go
up as much as they go out, otherwise you risk
having huge sprawl. But the frustration here is that there
(04:28):
was a system in place to allow that to happen.
The government have come in and repealed that they're then
moving very slowly with a replacement, and then just this week.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, I'm going to pull you back because twice now
you've turned it into a political lecture when I've asked
you questions about the issue. Okay, So you believe that
there is a need for intensification. Absolutely, there's a need
for more housing in Christy Vanessa.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that it makes sense
actually to have intensification around things like transport lanes where
we've got shopping areas, where we've got no good public transport.
I think it makes good to have density around those areas,
and I think that that's what we want to see
more of. We've also got more greenfield's space as we know,
(05:16):
as Rumen mentioned, and it's good to see that we've
got a huge amount of development going on out in
Hallswell and my electorate really great to see that growth.
As far as I'm consumed, when it comes to the
housing market, it is one big pool. When you've got
a healthy supply across the market, it then starts to
be felt everywhere in the market and for housing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay, what more's in your electric is a tannery?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
The tannery?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, right, So you'd be happy to see.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
We're already seeing intensification around I'm saying public transport as well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Three three story houses on one section near the Tannery,
you'd be up for that.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So that's not necessarily a public transport hub. So if
there's really great transport links, then yes, that's more of it.
But those kind of areas it could be.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I think we're shopping more one of the areas we're
talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I think that's almost a special character area. It's not
necessarily your typical kind of shopping.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Mall all right around Eastgate, Reuben.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Look, I think there's a case to be made for
intensification around hubs like Eastgate, but ultimately that's an urban
planning call. I'm not an urban planner.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
No, but I'm asking you as a citizen a christ Church.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, well, there's already been quite a lot of intensification
in and around those inner city suburbs and in those
parts of Lynwood. I do think there's there's a case
to be made for different types of intensification, so going
up and being able to fit more people in. But
I don't want to make specific calls as the MP
for christ You're chaste on where that should or shouldn't happen,
(06:47):
because ultimately that needs to be something that is a
planning decision, and it also needs to plan for the
future about what's coming online as far as public transport,
as far as you know, further enhancements, developments and more businesses,
retail vose sorts of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, So just quickly, Vanessa, do you think the city
Council's right wanting more time pushing back or should they
just accept it? As one of the counselors under more
sad yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think that they've had extra time. I don't think
they've even asked the minister, so I don't know whether
or not they've gone to that extent.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Ruben, just get on with it on extra time, do
it well.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So if that means you need a little more time
to do it well. But at the same time, the
need is great, Ruben.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You must you must have a lot of your head,
must spend a lot of time in your hands when
you look at the behavior of your potential potential coalition partners,
particularly to party MARVII.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is that fair No, I don't think that's fair. I
think that the nature of MMP is that you form
coalitions and most of the time, and you don't always
agree with everything that the other parties and your coalition
stand for and believe.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Can you give me can tell me one one thing
to party my has done or achieved in this term
of parliament.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Ah, I'll come back to you on that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But what should we should roll off the top of
your ton? Shouldn't it? Well, because what you're saying is
you're talking about the diversity and people are different. But
basically you're saying diversity is fine. It's also fine for
people to occupy seats.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
No, what I'm saying is that you don't have to
agree with everything that you that that parties that you
go into coalition want or agree with. And Vanessa would
probably agree from the perspective of being a National Party
MP that's part of a coalition with ACT and New
Zealand First, where there's some really broad differences in policy
positions and values and priorities between those three parties and
(08:50):
yet most of the time they are able to be
a coalition government.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So in terms of not turning up to the Privileges Committee,
what's your what's your view on that?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Well, I mean I would if I if I had
been called to the Privileges Committee, I personally would turn
up to it. But I do understand the stance that
they've taken and the and the question around the context
of the huka being performed in the House. We've seen
some very Vanissa and I have been in the House
for some very very powerful points in our history. The
(09:23):
apology to survivors of abuse and state care, the Samura Bill,
the repeal of seven AA, that the Tea kunger of
the House isn't in step with the weight of some
of those events. And seeing Wyata, for example, closed down
in the public gallery during some of the things that
(09:44):
have happened in the House has felt to me like
we need to have a bit of a look at
what are the rules of this place and how does
it better reflect New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's fine, but the current rule says you called the
Privileged Privilegces Committee and you turn up and they haven't
turned up. You say that you understand. Why does that
mean you support their move or lack of move to
be there.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
No, what I'm telling you is that if I was
called to the Privileges Committee, I would turn up.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Vanessa.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Look, I don't think New Zealanders really care much about
the Privileges Committee, and I don't think they're bothered too
much by the antics of the party Mai. What I
think they should be bothered by is the wealth and
capal gains tax that they'll probably slap on people if
they would go into coalition with Labor, and I think
Labor's brewing up that as well.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
If people aren't so worried about it, why is particularly
your coalition partner Act making such a noise about it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Look, they've got their own position and they will take
that position.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And what's your position on what they've done.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
What they've done is is breaching the rules of the House,
and how the Privileges Committee deal with it is up
to them, and then the response will come as it is.
And then we need to probably look at what are
the the consequences that can happen for people when they
(11:07):
are called out by the Speaker, when they're named and
sent out, when things like that happen, if there's anything
else that can be done, because the consequences for that
don't really seem to be taken seriously.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Ruben. The announcement last weekend by the government about wanted
to tackle the supermarkets et cetera, cetera. Was this an
admission that the grocery commission that has failed in his job?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think it was your favorite thing, John, Or that
an announcement about an announcement?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what it was. Yeah, it was.
That's not the question. That's not the question. Man, your
dodged when you're trying to dodge the questions today. Has
the grocery commissioner failed in his job?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I don't think he's failed in his job at all.
I think he's settling into it. He's got things underway.
He needs more work to be done. It's been eighteen
months till this government's done anything, and this is what
they've done, an announcement about an announcement.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So, Vanessa, was this the government saying that the grocery
Commission has failed in this job?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think it's saying it's a really complex market and
then we're not saying enough competition. That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
All right, Okay, all right, that's as much as clean
up on Ale three, that's as much as we get. Yeah.
Do you ask where things are or do you sort
of valiantly just keep going until you find stuff in
the supermarket.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Rub Oh, I thought, please, you gave it the context
of a supermarket. John. I I think I am pretty
good at finding things in the supermarket.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Because I've asked people worked in the supermarket before when
they've told me, and I know, I know that it's
not there. And what you're supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Thanks, mate, You've got to asle four knowing it's not
an ale four.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But maybe maybe you just don't look very well.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But Vanessa, what's your approach when you can't find stuff
in the supermarket?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I ask for help?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You do?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I do? And most of the time the people know
where things are and they pointed out and I find it,
And amazingly, I've walked past it two or three times
most of the time, and it's incredible. And it's incredible
how when somebody else shows you that it's there. Probably
a bit like most men find when they're women and
(13:13):
they're female support people aka wives or girlfriends find their
keys for them in the morning.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
People walking slow in the supermarket, they drive you nuts.
Drive me nuts.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, And people who are just not generally conscious of
other people around them, you take up them the whole
middle of the aisle, you know, just don't just not
considerate of other people.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I've noticed the the security guards pack and save moor House, Reuben.
They look like they're after Ukraine. I noticed them the
other week, had it up.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Well, we do know that that security guards in lots
of contexts now do have a really, really tough time.
They've faced with some really unpleasant situations and with some
pretty elevated people. So I'm not surprised that security guards
are having to having to reinforce their security and their space.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
All right, speaking of unpleasant, we're going to finish up
on this discussion about security, not security cameras, hidden cameras,
and this chap who's been sent to prison after secretly
filming twenty two women. And there's a woman who kind
of knew the guy before all this happened, knew him personally,
(14:31):
and then down the track went to the police, which
led to the culmination yesterday. And she's saying in the
news today and overnight that she's been surprised at the
types of cameras that are available, some of which only
the size of a screw. You put a screw into
the cabinet and it's a camera. Do you think, Vanessa,
(14:51):
that are cracked down on the stuff is needed.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I think that more would need to be looked into
because it's the sort of thing where there are actually
legitimate uses for some of those cameras for security and
other things. But this is just a completely abhorrent case.
Is really disgusting in many ways, and it's just as
yet another way where somebody's felt entitled and able to
(15:16):
take advantage of people and really betrayed people who thought
that they could potentially trust him. It's really horrific, and
that's just an absolute extreme end of things. But yes,
you can buy cameras online and you can also download
apps on your phone that detect these cameras.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So lots of you I've done some research on the
products available here.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Well I did. I'm hearing that this was coming up.
I had a look in at quick Google search, and
yes you can. You can get them just within a
day ordered over the internet and there they are and
set up. They're all on various different devices and yeah,
lots of different applications for it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So this is from within New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's within New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, because trade me as saying, oh their legue. Also,
they're not going to stop not going to stop selling it, Reuben,
what do you think.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I can't think of a legitimate reason you'd need a
camera so small you can't see it. So my experience
of surveillance and security is that the more conspicuous it is,
the more effective it is. So in a supermarket context,
for example, you're told that you're being filmed, and the
cameras are very obvious, and that does part of the
part of the job of making the space more secure
(16:26):
because people know that they're going to get caught.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So very good point.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I can't think of a legitimate reason that you would
need to have invisible surveillance.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So there's no legitimate reason for us to be selling them,
is there.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Well that that could well be the case, unless someone
can say to me, actually, they're very useful in this,
this or this. Then then I think, like.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
A camera hidden in a smoke smoke detector, why would
you need that? Why would you need a camera the
size of a screw makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I only think of medical reasons that you would use
time to think I.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Can actually get an endoscope thing. That's plumbing reasons. But
I was also thinking conservation reasons for monitoring and looking
out for animals that are coming around this I don't know.
I don't know enough about what their application.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
From watching David Attenborough. Those animals, you know, they seem
to perform in front of the big cameras as much
as the hidden care very long lenses, but those are
enormous cameras, right, Okay, all right, nice to see you both.
Thank you the weekends.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Polticians will be in for politics Friday. Now this time
has arrived and now it's in our time. Vanessa Winning
from National Warning to you, Good morning, John Ruben Davidson
of Labor Warning to you, A very good morning to you. Okay,
I'm going to ask you that closer to the microphile.
I don't want to miss anything you've got to say
and orders Norda's Vanessa, Vanessa, your reaction to the trade tariffs.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It was disappointing but not surprising, and it's the kind
of thing where we'll have to adjust and work on
our trade deals that we've got around the world. We'll
need to boost those. And our government's still focused relentlessly
on economic growth.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
How did that last statement fit in with you?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We've got to, We've got to, We've got to. Absolutely
it shows the reason why we need to be relentlessly
focused on growing our economy and increasing our trade deals
all around the world. You've seen our Trade Minister, the
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Prime minis all around the
world working on diversifying where our trade is and working on.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That will this improve or how much will this improve
our chances with India? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm not certain about that. It is something that we're
really focused on, is getting a trade deal with India.
And look, if everyone in the world is getting tariffs,
then it's as though everything is upended and there is
a new reset, and I think it gives us something
(01:39):
more to discuss, It gives us something more to be
active about.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Ruben Davis, do you feel any different towards the States
today than you did before yesterday's announcement?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Well, I wasn't overly surprised, but I do think it
was proof that the heads down strategy, which is what
the government had been doing, kind of backfired and didn't work.
What do you mean, Well, Todd McClay looked pretty confused
and a bit bumbling and like he didn't really have
his head around it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I think that we said for most countries, couldn't it.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, but surely if you're the Trade Minister for New
Zealand and this has been signaled, you would have done
some thinking in advance of Okay, what happens if this happens,
or that happens, or this happens, it didn't seem like
the Minister had put that thought into it, and as
a result, I think it sent unnecessary shock waves into
our export community.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
All Right, the question was do you feel any different
towards the States today than you did before yesterday's announcement.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Well, I'm not overly surprised by it, and that's why
I was surprised that the Minister seemed surprised.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Vanessa, was the minister surprised or do you think the
minister was surprised.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I don't know how the Minister thought about it, but definitely,
definitely it's not a It wasn't a shock to us.
It was a surprise that they said that we had
twenty percent tariffs on the US. I think potentially they're
sort of trying to figure out where that comes from.
(03:08):
Potentially GST is seen in some way like that. So
that's fifteen percent, but we're still under two percent the
rest of it. I jokingly said, maybe they looked at
the descipment point wrong, Maybe that they saw two point
zero and thought it was twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Don't joke. Don't joke. What's your attitude? Rubit about housing
intensification in christ Church because the City Council wants to
just trying to push back further on implementing the government's policies.
How do you feel about more dense housing.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that
we need more houses in christ Church, So Vanessa, you
probably see that at your electric office too. We get
an increasing number of people coming through the door who
really need support to get into a house.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So what about the people who like we were talking
about on the show yesterday and people were getting in
touch saying, oh, there's heaps of houses and christ Church
there's heaps of land. You don't need to be sticking
these cookie cut of places next to each other so closely.
What's yours wants to that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, that's not I mean it depends who owns the
houses and who they're available for, right, So I don't
think we've got an over supply of houses in christ Church.
I do think we have available land to continue building on,
and we know that good cities probably need to go
up as much as they go out, otherwise you risk
having huge sprawl. But the frustration here is that there
(04:28):
was a system in place to allow that to happen.
The government have come in and repealed that they're then
moving very slowly with a replacement, and then just this week.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, I'm going to pull you back because twice now
you've turned it into a political lecture when I've asked
you questions about the issue. Okay, So you believe that
there is a need for intensification. Absolutely, there's a need
for more housing in Christy Vanessa.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that it makes sense
actually to have intensification around things like transport lanes where
we've got shopping areas, where we've got no good public transport.
I think it makes good to have density around those areas,
and I think that that's what we want to see
more of. We've also got more greenfield's space as we know,
(05:16):
as Rumen mentioned, and it's good to see that we've
got a huge amount of development going on out in
Hallswell and my electorate really great to see that growth.
As far as I'm consumed, when it comes to the
housing market, it is one big pool. When you've got
a healthy supply across the market, it then starts to
be felt everywhere in the market and for housing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay, what more's in your electric is a tannery?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
The tannery?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, right, So you'd be happy to see.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
We're already seeing intensification around I'm saying public transport as well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Three three story houses on one section near the Tannery,
you'd be up for that.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So that's not necessarily a public transport hub. So if
there's really great transport links, then yes, that's more of it.
But those kind of areas it could be.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I think we're shopping more one of the areas we're
talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I think that's almost a special character area. It's not
necessarily your typical kind of shopping.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Mall all right around Eastgate, Reuben.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Look, I think there's a case to be made for
intensification around hubs like Eastgate, but ultimately that's an urban
planning call. I'm not an urban planner.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
No, but I'm asking you as a citizen a christ Church.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, well, there's already been quite a lot of intensification
in and around those inner city suburbs and in those
parts of Lynwood. I do think there's there's a case
to be made for different types of intensification, so going
up and being able to fit more people in. But
I don't want to make specific calls as the MP
for christ You're chaste on where that should or shouldn't happen,
(06:47):
because ultimately that needs to be something that is a
planning decision, and it also needs to plan for the
future about what's coming online as far as public transport,
as far as you know, further enhancements, developments and more businesses,
retail vose sorts of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, So just quickly, Vanessa, do you think the city
Council's right wanting more time pushing back or should they
just accept it? As one of the counselors under more
sad yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think that they've had extra time. I don't think
they've even asked the minister, so I don't know whether
or not they've gone to that extent.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Ruben, just get on with it on extra time, do
it well.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So if that means you need a little more time
to do it well. But at the same time, the
need is great, Ruben.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You must you must have a lot of your head,
must spend a lot of time in your hands when
you look at the behavior of your potential potential coalition partners,
particularly to party MARVII.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is that fair No, I don't think that's fair. I
think that the nature of MMP is that you form
coalitions and most of the time, and you don't always
agree with everything that the other parties and your coalition
stand for and believe.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Can you give me can tell me one one thing
to party my has done or achieved in this term
of parliament.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Ah, I'll come back to you on that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But what should we should roll off the top of
your ton? Shouldn't it? Well, because what you're saying is
you're talking about the diversity and people are different. But
basically you're saying diversity is fine. It's also fine for
people to occupy seats.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
No, what I'm saying is that you don't have to
agree with everything that you that that parties that you
go into coalition want or agree with. And Vanessa would
probably agree from the perspective of being a National Party
MP that's part of a coalition with ACT and New
Zealand First, where there's some really broad differences in policy
positions and values and priorities between those three parties and
(08:50):
yet most of the time they are able to be
a coalition government.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So in terms of not turning up to the Privileges Committee,
what's your what's your view on that?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Well, I mean I would if I if I had
been called to the Privileges Committee, I personally would turn
up to it. But I do understand the stance that
they've taken and the and the question around the context
of the huka being performed in the House. We've seen
some very Vanissa and I have been in the House
for some very very powerful points in our history. The
(09:23):
apology to survivors of abuse and state care, the Samura Bill,
the repeal of seven AA, that the Tea kunger of
the House isn't in step with the weight of some
of those events. And seeing Wyata, for example, closed down
in the public gallery during some of the things that
(09:44):
have happened in the House has felt to me like
we need to have a bit of a look at
what are the rules of this place and how does
it better reflect New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's fine, but the current rule says you called the
Privileged Privilegces Committee and you turn up and they haven't
turned up. You say that you understand. Why does that
mean you support their move or lack of move to
be there.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
No, what I'm telling you is that if I was
called to the Privileges Committee, I would turn up.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Vanessa.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Look, I don't think New Zealanders really care much about
the Privileges Committee, and I don't think they're bothered too
much by the antics of the party Mai. What I
think they should be bothered by is the wealth and
capal gains tax that they'll probably slap on people if
they would go into coalition with Labor, and I think
Labor's brewing up that as well.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
If people aren't so worried about it, why is particularly
your coalition partner Act making such a noise about it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Look, they've got their own position and they will take
that position.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And what's your position on what they've done.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
What they've done is is breaching the rules of the House,
and how the Privileges Committee deal with it is up
to them, and then the response will come as it is.
And then we need to probably look at what are
the the consequences that can happen for people when they
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are called out by the Speaker, when they're named and
sent out, when things like that happen, if there's anything
else that can be done, because the consequences for that
don't really seem to be taken seriously.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Ruben. The announcement last weekend by the government about wanted
to tackle the supermarkets et cetera, cetera. Was this an
admission that the grocery commission that has failed in his job?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think it was your favorite thing, John, Or that
an announcement about an announcement?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what it was. Yeah, it was.
That's not the question. That's not the question. Man, your
dodged when you're trying to dodge the questions today. Has
the grocery commissioner failed in his job?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I don't think he's failed in his job at all.
I think he's settling into it. He's got things underway.
He needs more work to be done. It's been eighteen
months till this government's done anything, and this is what
they've done, an announcement about an announcement.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So, Vanessa, was this the government saying that the grocery
Commission has failed in this job?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think it's saying it's a really complex market and
then we're not saying enough competition. That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
All right, Okay, all right, that's as much as clean
up on Ale three, that's as much as we get. Yeah.
Do you ask where things are or do you sort
of valiantly just keep going until you find stuff in
the supermarket.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Rub Oh, I thought, please, you gave it the context
of a supermarket. John. I I think I am pretty
good at finding things in the supermarket.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Because I've asked people worked in the supermarket before when
they've told me, and I know, I know that it's
not there. And what you're supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Thanks, mate, You've got to asle four knowing it's not
an ale four.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But maybe maybe you just don't look very well.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But Vanessa, what's your approach when you can't find stuff
in the supermarket?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I ask for help?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You do?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I do? And most of the time the people know
where things are and they pointed out and I find it,
And amazingly, I've walked past it two or three times
most of the time, and it's incredible. And it's incredible
how when somebody else shows you that it's there. Probably
a bit like most men find when they're women and
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they're female support people aka wives or girlfriends find their
keys for them in the morning.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
People walking slow in the supermarket, they drive you nuts.
Drive me nuts.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, And people who are just not generally conscious of
other people around them, you take up them the whole
middle of the aisle, you know, just don't just not
considerate of other people.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I've noticed the the security guards pack and save moor House, Reuben.
They look like they're after Ukraine. I noticed them the
other week, had it up.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Well, we do know that that security guards in lots
of contexts now do have a really, really tough time.
They've faced with some really unpleasant situations and with some
pretty elevated people. So I'm not surprised that security guards
are having to having to reinforce their security and their space.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
All right, speaking of unpleasant, we're going to finish up
on this discussion about security, not security cameras, hidden cameras,
and this chap who's been sent to prison after secretly
filming twenty two women. And there's a woman who kind
of knew the guy before all this happened, knew him personally,
(14:31):
and then down the track went to the police, which
led to the culmination yesterday. And she's saying in the
news today and overnight that she's been surprised at the
types of cameras that are available, some of which only
the size of a screw. You put a screw into
the cabinet and it's a camera. Do you think, Vanessa,
(14:51):
that are cracked down on the stuff is needed.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I think that more would need to be looked into
because it's the sort of thing where there are actually
legitimate uses for some of those cameras for security and
other things. But this is just a completely abhorrent case.
Is really disgusting in many ways, and it's just as
yet another way where somebody's felt entitled and able to
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take advantage of people and really betrayed people who thought
that they could potentially trust him. It's really horrific, and
that's just an absolute extreme end of things. But yes,
you can buy cameras online and you can also download
apps on your phone that detect these cameras.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So lots of you I've done some research on the
products available here.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Well I did. I'm hearing that this was coming up.
I had a look in at quick Google search, and
yes you can. You can get them just within a
day ordered over the internet and there they are and
set up. They're all on various different devices and yeah,
lots of different applications for it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So this is from within New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's within New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, because trade me as saying, oh their legue. Also,
they're not going to stop not going to stop selling it, Reuben,
what do you think.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I can't think of a legitimate reason you'd need a
camera so small you can't see it. So my experience
of surveillance and security is that the more conspicuous it is,
the more effective it is. So in a supermarket context,
for example, you're told that you're being filmed, and the
cameras are very obvious, and that does part of the
part of the job of making the space more secure
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because people know that they're going to get caught.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So very good point.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I can't think of a legitimate reason that you would
need to have invisible surveillance.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So there's no legitimate reason for us to be selling them,
is there.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Well that that could well be the case, unless someone
can say to me, actually, they're very useful in this,
this or this. Then then I think, like.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
A camera hidden in a smoke smoke detector, why would
you need that? Why would you need a camera the
size of a screw makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I only think of medical reasons that you would use
time to think I.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Can actually get an endoscope thing. That's plumbing reasons. But
I was also thinking conservation reasons for monitoring and looking
out for animals that are coming around this I don't know.
I don't know enough about what their application.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
From watching David Attenborough. Those animals, you know, they seem
to perform in front of the big cameras as much
as the hidden care very long lenses, but those are
enormous cameras, right, Okay, all right, nice to see you both.
Thank you the weekends.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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