June 30, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Tuesday 1st of July 2025, the Government's announced coward punches will now be a specific offence, Vice President of the Law Associaiton Julie-Anne Kincade KC tells Ryan Bridge the difference it will make.
Bryan Williams, Principal at BWA Insolvency, shares his thoughts on new data from Centrix around business liquidations.
From today we officially have a new regulatory body for overseas investment, Catherine Beard, Business NZ Advocacy Director tells Ryan what she wants to see come from it.
Plus Australian Correspondent Donna Demaio has the latest on a jury beginning deliberations in the mushroom murder trial.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ryan Bridge on early edition with x full insulation, keeping
Kimi Holmes warm and.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Tray this winter news talks. That'd be good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It is six half for five. Great to have your
company coming up at four to six. The coward punch penalty.
Is it really going to make people stop and think
before they do something stupid like throw a punch? We'll
ask that question. Centrix data out this morning. Insolvencies up
twenty seven percent year on here for businesses. So which
parts of the economy are hurting the most and is
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this because of the economy or is it enforcement by
the IID Donald Tomato in Australia. For US pennywong Off
to Washington and West New Zealand is open for business today.
Is it worth the forty five million dollar price tag
that we're paying? Seven after five.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The agenda.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Tuesday, first of July. Europe in heat wave. This morning,
two hundred schools closed Spain. Hottest June day on record
forty six degrees.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It is quite a lot to see this happening so
early in the summer season.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So the heat way season.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Across Europe starts at the beginning of June and it
would extend into September. So if you think about that,
you think about what we could see in the rest
of the summer with wildfires. And also we have this
dry conditions in large parts of Europe's as well, which
is raising.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
The risk of drought.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Travel on the shoulder seats and everybody. That's the advice
now Around's Depity Foreign Minister. This is on the question
of whether they will get back to the table and
start talking about the nuclear program. Around Foreign Minister says
they must, the UIs must have all let any further strikes.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
First, we have not agreed to any date.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
You have not agreed to the modality. Right now we
are seeking an answer to this question. Are we going
to see a repetition of an actual aggess while we
are engaging India? They have not made their position here yet.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
In the US, the Senate's now voting on the Big
Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
Finally, this bill steals people's health care, jacks up their electricity,
bill takes away their jobs, all to pay for tax
breaks for billionaires.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
And so yes, there are some improvements and reforms to
Medicaid to make it more efficient, to make sure that
the people who are supposed to benefit from medicaid do
and that it.
Speaker 9 (02:26):
Doesn't go to people who shouldn't benefit from medicaid.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And to New York City the Diddy trial. As we speak,
the juries begun their deliberations.
Speaker 10 (02:34):
The judge who has presided over this case, Ourn Subromanium,
gave lengthy instructions to the eight men and four women
of this jury on how to structure their deliberations. If
they do convict him of the most serious charges, he
could spend the rest of his life in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis earlier this ship with Ryan Bridge and expul in
keeping Kiwi homes warm and dry, this winter news talks,
he'd be it is.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Nine after five. Great to have your company this morning.
So stocks only thing going up really, it seems around
the world of temperatures if you're in Europe, and stocks
in the US going through the roof and in the
end of a pretty crazy second quarter for the markets.
Now the reason they've gone up overnight this is the
S and P five hundred and the Nasdaq heading new
intra day records. Canada has withdrawn its digital services tax,
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so you know how Carne obviously wants a deal over
tariffs with Trump, and they're trying to negotiate that and
blah blah blah, and Trump the other day was throwing
a big stick around, waving a stick around on true
social you know, we'll just blow up the any agreement
or any partial agreement we had anyway. So that seems
to be coming to ahead because Carne clearly wants a deal.
(03:49):
So the S and P five hundred finishing on a high,
highest close on Friday since February. So it's actually up
eight percent on when Trump announced the tariff. So yes,
it took a big hat, but it's actually up. We're
eight percent higher than we were before. You've still got
strong corporate earnings, You've still got growth, pretty resilient holding up.
(04:10):
Inflation is near two percent. So that's a pretty incredible
story really for a stock market that's been battered and
bruised to come out with a result like that. Ten
after five News talks there be we'll talk here in
New Zealand about invest New Zealand. Can we attract some
of that foreign capital to come our way. That's next
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ten after five.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan
Bridge and x Fole insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and
dry this winter.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
News talks, that'd be five.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Po thirteen on news talks, there'd be nobody puts Winston
Peters in privatization in the same sentence. Well, normally, you
know the economic nationalist he is, you wouldn't do that.
But this morning there's a story in the Herald Winston
Peters has opened the door for the part privatization of
the new fairies that we're getting. So we get a
couple of new, beautiful, brand spanking fairies, and they're bigger
(05:03):
and better than the previous ones. Not as big or
as good as the ones we would have got, but
better than the ones we have Anyway, Peters takes a
paper to Cabinet earlier this year with Nikola Willis and
Chris Bishop, and included in that is a direction to
Faery Holdings, which is the publicly owned companies set up
to get these fairies to consider options for ferry ownership
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and the operation that will improve efficiency and recycle government
capital in other world in other words, get capital out
and then put it in somewhere else. So that is
on the table. But then you ask Inston Peter's to
his face and he says, no, We're not doing anything
like that. So a curious move and reeks of something
to do with backroom negotiations amongst the coalition partners. Fourteen
(05:46):
after five from today will officially have a new regulatory
body for overseas investment. Invest in Z is an agency
set up to help attract and retain large investment from
overseas buyers. Responsible Minister Tom McClay hopes this will create
job boost productivity. Catherine bed Sea Business ends, the advocacy
director with us this morning. Catherine, good morning, Good morning.
(06:07):
So this is obviously going to be an expensive exercise.
I think forty five million dollars over the next few years.
Are we sure of eighty five million dollars over four
years to establish it and it's as itself as an
autonomous Crown entity. Is it going to be worth it?
Do we think? Oh?
Speaker 11 (06:24):
Look, we definitely had to do something, Ryan. We are
one of the hardest places to invest in the OECD
and as everybody knows, investment is the lifeblood of economic success,
so we definitely needed to make it easier and I
think this is a really good start. It will be
much much more of a bespoke concierge sort of approach.
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I think they've looked at Ireland and other countries that
do it far better than we do. And my understanding
is it's going to be quite a small, lean and
mean agency as well, and taking some of that work
away from MZTE. So hopefully it's not going to be
too expensive.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Right And do you what sort of people do you
think that they'll be hiring.
Speaker 12 (07:13):
Look, I've heard that it'll be people with really good
roll indecks of international investors, in connections, so they should
be well connected to investors around the world, and you know,
they should be also looking at where the opportunities are
here and where our gaps are and where.
Speaker 11 (07:31):
We actually need investment. So well connected people. Not a
lot of them my understanding, but well connected all right.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So we will live and across our fingers and hope
and pray that this works. We need to, of course,
have attractive investments here to begin with. Is this is
our problem just cosmetic we're not advertising ourselves well enough
or are there a lack of viable attractive deals?
Speaker 13 (07:56):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (07:56):
Look, I think there'll be a lot to invest in
a New Zealand. You know, as you know, we have
a big infrastructure deficit. There's a lot of spending that
needs to be done. And yeah, and you know, look,
I think we've got a lot of opportunities in the
future if we get into some more long term thinking
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and you know, business is Zealand we're advocating thirty years.
You know, have a thirty year horizon. What will we need?
What could we be great at and let's have a
plan and get on with it.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Catherine, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you for coming on.
Catherine Beard, Business en Advocacy Directed. That time is sixteen
after five year on News Talks theb construction industry. No
surprises for you. You feature quite prominently in company liquidations
up twenty seven percent year on year.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
More on that next on your radio and online on
iHeartRadio early edition with Ryan Bridge and x foll Insulation
keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and dry.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
This winter News Talks at B five nineteen on Newstalks RBS.
So from today there's a new twenty four to seven
digital health service, so you can basically call or you
can video chat a doctor. And this is round the
clock outside normal clinic hours. Things that they this is
the government giving you information. Things you can ring them
about a mother with a sick child in the middle
(09:19):
of the night, someone waking up with a sudden rash
on a public holiday. Sounds like it's been a good one.
A farmer in rural New Zealand needing help after ours,
a family on holiday in a different part of the country,
or someone not enrolled with the local GP, which is
a good point because when you're in a different area
you have to pay these exorbitant fees. So anyway, this
is what's happening from today. You can now call a
(09:41):
number and have a video consult through the government and
this is to improve the lot because people are waiting
too long to see a GP. This is one of
the ways I'll do it. But it's a little bit
like using private hospitals for public operations. Is there a
staffing shortage? Do you create a problem with the labor
works down the line? People won't care well they once
(10:03):
you've got a coffin and you phone a number and
it's sorted. Twenty after five, Ryan Bridge, you started out
this morning from centrics and business liquidations up twenty seven
percent year on year. Business loan defaults also up fourteen percent.
Brian Williams principal at BWA Insolvency with me this morning, Brian.
Good morning, Oh, good morning Ryan.
Speaker 14 (10:20):
Good to speak with you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Great to have you on. Now, are these insolvencies because
of the economy or because we're taking more enforcement action?
What's behind them?
Speaker 14 (10:30):
I think that the combination of both. To be honest,
I think that the density four hitholders to take the
view that they can no longer continue with their current
circumstances is certainly a feature of what we're seeing, but
it is clearly a result or an after glow of
COVID and the lower demand that's flowed out of the
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government policies. I think that's exposed. We can balance sheets
as the tiger's out. Of course, that exposes all of
those rocks that are not forming the strongest position for
the companies, and they can't be dealt with by continued
levels of sales that existed in the past.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
What sort of businesses are able to survive? I mean,
are you seeing trends in terms of industries presumably constructions
up there?
Speaker 14 (11:19):
Well, I think the construction always features highly anyway, because
they represent such a high proportion of the gross domestic
products of the country. But they're certainly high, no doubt
about that. The particular segment inside the construction industry of
those builders that started for the hammer and started to
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smash nails and a timber and don't necessarily followed up
with the exities that requires to make sure that they're
very slim margins results in survival.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Sorry, party, absolutely. When do you see this turning around?
I mean you're at the could face and we're seeing
it every month we get the reports that it's here
on year, still up. When do we start to see
it come down? Do you think?
Speaker 14 (12:04):
I think later this year, And it could be asked,
why would I think that. I think that there is
a discretionary spend will increase as the year progresses, as
the sun shines more towards Christmas. People have an enlightened
or like the viewpoint about their future. But they've got
to have funds to spend, and that is going to
(12:25):
be lowered interest rates and I guess costs coming down.
So I think that later on this year there will
also be I think a new surge of a new
economy on the way. If gear political environment will allow it,
there'll be a new economy on the way. AI is
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featuring more and more in the news all the time,
and there'll be new providers, new supply siders. So I
think Christmas New Year will be the time where we get.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
A little, little, most little kickback. Brian appreciate you to
at least not getting worse month on month. Brian, appreciate
you time this morning. Thank you very much, principal at
BWA insolvency if you're just joining us. Company liquidations was
in twenty seven percent year on year, partly, as Brian says,
partly because of IID enforcement action, but also partly just
the state of the economy at the moment. Twenty three
(13:19):
minutes after five News Talks, here be more on AI
next the.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It be five twenty five News Talks. There be the
robots are coming. Look out everybody and they reckon though
that be better at us than us humans doing really difficult
complex stuff like being a doctor. Microsoft has announced overnight
an artificial intelligence system which I am just calling a
robot that performs better. This is what they're arguing performs
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better than a human doctor at complex health diagnosis. This
is according to Guardian reporting in the last couple of
hours they say Microsoft's come out. There AI unit has
come out and said they're creating a path to medical superintelligence.
Look out world. So they think in their case studies
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that their AI doctor solves or correctly diagnosed eight out
of ten case studies, really complex ones eight out of ten.
The real doctors who didn't have access to the Internet
or to books or anything, the real doctors two out
of ten. So who are you going to trust? And
that's the question you start asking yourself. Do you trust
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AI to make important decisions, like health decisions on your behalf,
even though doctors don't always get it right. The thought
of a computer deciding your fate is kind of weird,
hard to get used to. But if it's shown to
work reliably, if it's accurate, and I suppose why not. China, meanwhile,
is into robots big time. A company there wants a
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humanoid robot cleaning our dishes and washing our clothes in
a matter of years. They had an exhibition this week.
They want one robot for every home, and this I
can get on board with. But you've got to ask.
With the robots apparently taking every job under the sun,
they'll be cutting our hair soon. What are we going
to do once they've completed their mission to take over
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the world? What do we do for work? Seventy seven
percent of companies are either using AI right now or
are actively trying to. Year on year growth for this
industry is now at more than one hundred percent. Seventy
seven percent of all devices in the world are currently
using some form of AI. And I get why this
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is happening and everything from health to housework, because it's
far more efficient and cost effective to do this. But
with so much of the work being done by others,
what's left to occupy our time?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Fry and Bridge?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Shall we just sit and think? I don't know. What
do we do? Is it like early retirement? How do
we get paid? Twenty eight minutes after five news talks,
thereb Dalai Lama is preparing for his succession plan and
this is irking China because of course China thinks that
they will pick the next Dalai Lama. They see him
as a separatist. He's living in exile outside of Tibet,
(16:11):
He's living in India, and the Dalai Lama is apparently
going to reveal The process for this is ahead of
his ninetieth birthday, so he's doing well innings wise. He
is going to announce what the process is for picking
a successor, and this is really irked China because they
think they will be Beijing will be the one to
pick whoever it is, boy or girl, and where they
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come from is the other important thing too. Twenty eight
minutes after five coming up after the news at five thirty,
we'll get to our reporters around the country. Donnad de
Mayo is in Australia for US this morning, and lots
to talk about with her, including Penny Wong heading off
to America and the press in Australia saying that she's
the wrong person for the job. You don't want to
(16:55):
send somebody who has sort of blundered her way through
the Gaza situation and raised eyebrows over in Washington. But
nonetheless she'll be off so done and demy on that.
And of course we'll look at the record temperatures out
of this European heat wave and more on the Microsoft
announcement overnight too here on News Talk sbb.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
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It's early edition with Ryan Bridge at EXPOL insallation keeping
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Speaker 1 (17:43):
This winter News Talks EDB.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Good morning, twenty four minutes away from six. News TALKSB
are coming up before six. We're going to get to
a defense Luare. This is on from the Law Association
on the coward punch? Is a law like that's actually
going to change the way people think? Are you going
to have a rational thought in the middle of throwing
a cowd punch and think, oh, I could go to
prison for longer, so therefore I won't do this? And
(18:11):
is that actually the point? We'll look at that before six. Also,
our Australia correspondent Don and tomorrows with us. Penny Wong
is off to Washington today. A lot of people say
she shouldn't be going. We'll tell you why. Right now.
It is twenty three to.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Six, Ryan Bridge, Slow.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Reporters around the country and we'll go to Cullum and Dunedin.
Cullum Dunedin Council adopting this annual plan. This includes the
higher rates, right yeah, it does, Ryan Morning.
Speaker 15 (18:37):
The plan approved yesterday includes a ten point seven percent
rates rise for Dunedin rate payers for the coming year
ten point seven So that's slightly higher than the ten
point five which was previously consulted on look the mayor
here at Jills Raddicks. Defending this rise, He says to
Needin's rates are much lower than many of our neighbors,
and he says given rates rises across the country for
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communities to live their infrastructure, he believes the Needin's rates
are still below average. He also says their nine year
plan achieved the flattening of debt they need and a
balanced budget for the first time in a while.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
All Right, how's your weather.
Speaker 15 (19:12):
It's fine, fresh westerlies today the high thirteen.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Nice one callum, thank you and Courtney in christ jets
for us.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Hey, Courtney, good morning.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Tell us about the upgrades around the new stadium. Apparently
very much on time.
Speaker 16 (19:24):
Yes, no, always a good story when it comes to
the stadium. So thirty four million dollar project has improved
the water and transport networks around One New Zealand Stadium
ahead of its opening in April. MDTA cut funding for
the upgrades in November, so the council decided to cover
the costs themselves.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It says.
Speaker 16 (19:43):
The final layer of ashvelt on the footpaths will be
completed later this year, along with landscaping works on the
stadium grounds. The six hundred and eighty three million dollar
stadium is on schedule to open in April next year.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Fantastic. That is always good news, Courtney.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
How's fine with some morning frost this morning?
Speaker 16 (20:02):
Westerly's are high.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
Of a living.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Thank you very much, Courtney, Emex and Wellington, Hey Max,
good morning.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
Jeez.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I had to laugh when I saw the you know
everybody else is getting the streets flooded by the weather.
Wellington started to themselves.
Speaker 13 (20:15):
Yes, Taylor's old as time. Yeah, two steps forward for water,
one step back. The forward part is that finally the
final Regional Council has agreed to sign up to this
new joint water entity which will take effect in the
year's time. Upper Hut yesterday, confirming it will join podyvia
Lower Hut Wellington City. The Regional Council informing this body
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that will take over drinking water, wastewater, storm water, don't
close the door on the way out, Wellington Water, more efficiency,
hope hopefully less in water charges and of course yeah, meanwhile,
we had this monster of a leak in the CBD yesterday,
a fifty year old pipe exploding on Johnston Street, spewing
brown water. Water was cut off to some officers. It
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was later turned off for others. Work to fix it
went into the night, perhaps symbolic as it came virtually
the very moment the final death knell for Wellington Water sounded.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, it's almost like the pipes are in an artistic
expression of the city's feelings.
Speaker 13 (21:15):
It makes sense as you were the next uh fine
light winds thirteen brilliant, Thank you, Hey Neva.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
How are you?
Speaker 17 (21:22):
Greetings?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Good things. Now you've got a financial update on our system, watercre.
Speaker 17 (21:27):
That's right now water Care has completed. This is the
country's largest corporate debt capital rais. So this is now
at three point four billion dollars. What this means it
becomes financially separate from Auckland Council. So the move this
is just a key component of the government's local Water
Done Well legislation. This was announced in May last year.
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Jamie Sinclair is the chief executive. He says the separation
gives water here the ability to borrow in its own
name for the first time and also borrow more so.
He says that means they can keep prices lower than
they could have otherwise today, you know, July first, everything's
coming in today. But water, key is water and wastewater
prices the increased by seven point two percent.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Just on that right, Hey, how's out with it today?
Speaker 17 (22:11):
Ah? Cloudy, we've got isolated showers. They'll be clearing though.
Fifteen is the high here in Auckland.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Brilliant. Thank you, Neva. We'll see you later on. That
is neither with news nineteen minutes away from six here
on News Talk CREB and we will get to our
correspondent Donald tomorrow out of Australia.
Speaker 11 (22:24):
Next.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
A couple of things talk to her about, including Penny
one off to Washington, and then the coward punch? Does
changing a lure just saying you'll get an extra year
if you throw that punch change people's behavior? And if not,
because I don't necessarily think it will. But if not,
is there another meaning to having longer sentences? Is that
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for the benefit of the victim perhaps rather than the system.
And if that's the goal, then surely it's got to
be a good thing. We'll talk to a Laurie about
this just before six. It's nineteen two International correspondence with
ends in eye Insurance peace of mind for New Zealand
Business sixth anyway from six News talks, there'd be done
on Tomaw's our Australia correspondent on a good morning, good
(23:12):
morning to you. Now we have deliberations. This is in
the Mushroom Lady murder trial.
Speaker 18 (23:17):
Yes, so after more than nine weeks of legal proceedings,
the jury is deliberating on its verdict. The jury has
been sequestered so they can't actually go home. And as
I'll just give you a little bit of background. Obviously,
Aaron Pattison is accused of murdering three relatives and attempting
to murder at fourth at a lunch at her home
in Lencoln Gathera, which is southeastern Melbourne. That was way
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back in twenty twenty three. She has pleaded not guilty
to all charges. Her lawyers argue the incident was a
tragic accident. Now, there were fifteen potential jurors that were
impaneled initially and the Supreme Court had these extras just
in case one fell sick or was discharged. Now I
don't know if you know this, but in May a
jura was actually removed. The judge in the court that
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the juror had been discussing the case with family and friends,
and so the other two reserved duras are now also gone,
and so now we are left with the twelve people
which will determine if Miss Patterson is to be convicted
or acquitted. Now, there were more than fifty prosecution witnesses
in the trial, and of course we'll never know what
happens in that deliberation room, but we will know at
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some point what they think, and obviously it has to
be a unanimous verdict, so we'll have to wait and
see what the jury decides.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, I think most people kind of have a pretty
clear view on what they think happened there, but we'll
just have to wait and see. Hey, Penny Wong heading
off to the US for talks with Washington, but not
everyone sort are happy that she's the one going.
Speaker 18 (24:47):
Well, we know that Anthony Albaneze is still waiting face
to face with Donald Trump. But in the meantime, Foreign
Minister Pennywong is off to Washington. She's going to meet
with the Quad Foreign Ministers there. Now it's the second
foreign ministers meeting in just six months. She says it's
about strengthening corporation to ensure a peaceful, stable and prosperous
Indo Pacific. She's going to meet with the US Secretary
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of State Mark Rubio, and she says it's just about
working to further Australia's economic and security partnerships and advance
our mutual interests, et cetera, et cetera. But we know
that defense spending is high on their gender. You might
recall that the US is still pushing for Australia to
increase defense spending lifted to three point five percent of
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our GDP, and also obviously waiting to hear what's going
to happen with these tariffs, these Trump tariffs that we're introduced.
So she will be meeting with Japan, You're meeting with
India and obviously the US and interesting times for Penny
wont But as I said, elbows still yet to meet
with the administration.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, it's been to a hot minute two. Hasn't it
appreciated that Donna Donald, our Australia correspondent, thirteen minutes away
from six Brian Bridge, by the way, I see over
at the White House Press briefing room, that Caroline Leavitt
has been taken a new tactic holding up all the
central Bank interest rates, a big list of them to
the press saying look where we are. You know this
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is part of their campaign to try and scare or
prompt jer own Power to start dropping rates, even though
he has clearly no intention of doing so. Thirteen minutes
away from six o'clock now the government here on a
bit of a roll with law and order announcements. Coward
punches will now be made a specific offense punishment eight
years or fifteen years if you and ten grievous bodily harm.
(26:35):
If a victim dies following an attack, the maximum penalty
is life, and new offenses will be added to the
three strikes legislation the regime. Julianne Kincaid is a case cy,
vice president of the Law Association. With me this morning, Jillian,
Good morning, Good morning Ryan, Thanks for being with me.
Do you think these changes will make a difference.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I think that they are cosmetic. I understand there has
been a lot of discussion looking for a form in
this area, but in effect, what these changes will do
is add one year to the maximum penalty of offenses
which already exist. So I don't think that in reality
they will have huge impact. On any particular case.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Is that because judges will use the discretion.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Look, sentencing in any case is always very complex, and
when we look at assault charges in particular, we look
first of all at the harm that was caused, the
grievous fully harmor was at an injury, and then we
look at the intent behind it, which helps us to
choose which one of the myriad of assault charges there are.
There's at least over thirteen already in the Crimes Act.
(27:49):
This is adding another two. The fact that they're also
putting these onto the three strikes legislation isn't the difference
because of the offenses that already exist are strike offenses well.
And also the fact that the maximum penalty in a
culpable homicide in a case of this nature is one
of life imprisonment is not a change and that's already
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the case, right, So I think it's quite cosmetic.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Okay. Do those who perperpetrate these types of attacks think
about the sentence when they're doing it? Typically?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Well, no, of course, not often that type of offense
who cars at night when people are perhaps have had
a few drinks and so on. I don't think it
would stop anyone in that particular situation, it doors allow
for advertising. However, as it's happened in Australia, and this
is a law that does exist in some states in Australia's,
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there's no comparable legislation in England. I would like to
add one thing round that an attack to the head
is already an aggravating feature for assault cases, whether it's
one punch or several, it's already a factor which is
very much taken into accountant sentence.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
This is different than isn't it. This is a punch
you had no warning about, you didn't see coming. You
can't brace yourself, you can't defend yourself.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yes, look, thankfully these cases do exist. Of course they do.
And there was one widely publicized case where people were
concerned with the sentence saying, which led to a lot
of discussion on this, and I'm lawyers are always very
cautious about any legislation that arises out of one particular case.
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There are as a long line of authorities for situations
where this type of one punch has occurred, and judges
have been sentencing in this category for a very long time.
Most of the time it doesn't cause anyone any concern
at all. Appreciate now and again there can be some
cases which do we shouldn't legislates on the basis of
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those one or two situations.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
But why not, Because that's one or two families who
don't feel they've had justice. Some guy who's come up
behind their son, their brother, their husband while they's out
having a good time, puts them from the back of
the head. I mean, who key is what's wrong with
legislating for one or two.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Cases, because it's very difficult to take all of the
factors in that one case and then apply them out
right across the board for everyone. There's so many different
factors that apply in all sorts of cases, including assault cases,
and in my respectful opinion, they're already very much covered
in all of the legislations. Often families are very unhappy
(30:30):
with outcoming cases, but it doesn't mean that the legislation
that sits behind them is in fact wrong or not
working properly. Julie, that's a different feature.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I appreciate. I appreciate your time this morning, Julian kink Casey,
Vice President of the Law Association, with an opinion I'm
sure many of you will be scratching your heads out potentially,
because in my mind, if the justice system isn't serving
the victim's family, is what's the point of a justice system?
You know, it's the it's there to punish, yes, but
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it's also there to to help with the healing of
the victim, isn't it? Nine nine two, It's eight to
six News Talks MB.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
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This Winter News Talks.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
MB just gone six minutes away from six now. Lots
of texts on the coward punch law change. We just
spoke to a lawyer, a KC about this, Ryan, about
the coward's punch. Surely it would be better to up
the minimum sentence. The judge has too much discretion when
you give them a discount on a maximum sentence. It's
a very good point, Ryan. Why is a punch to
the back of my head worse than one straight in
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my face by someone twice my size? Well, you can't
do anything about a punch that comes to the back
of your head, can you? If you don't know it's coming,
you can't move, you can't brace, you can't your powerless, Ryan,
should we should get Ai to replace lawyers and judges
one day the outcomes will be fast, simpler and clearer.
Five to six Bridge might with us. Hey, Mike morning,
(32:03):
good morning. What do you think of the coward punch?
Speaker 9 (32:06):
I think it might work or it might not. They
called it a king hit in Australia. I don't know
why it's become a coward punch, but.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I think because they wanted to make it less cool.
You know, was right.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
So you're on the street and you're about to deck
somebody and you're going, well, it was gonna but now
it's called and you used a coward punch, so I won't.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I can know. I can kind of understand though, like
if you're doing the headline and a paper, a coward
punch couches it and better hang on about to hit you.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
But I'm just thinking, now, what's the headline.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
In the paper? And not for the guy who keep digging, Ryan.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Keep digging, mate, Dear. It sounds like I think you
made a reasonable point before having said that, and your
point being that no one's thinking about this on the street,
are they, and so you're not thinking of the consequences.
But also I was watched the Prime Minister yesterday post cabinet,
and his point was, you know, people in the jail
are going to be people in the jail, and we
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have more people in the jail, so be it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's just laughing.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
We'll need to build more jails. And I think ultimately
they're probably on the right side of this, because if you.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Think about punishments around the world, people are a lot
harsher than us. You know, where they have but where
they have the death penalty, people still murder, of course,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (33:20):
So if you're looking, if you're looking for the ultimate deterrent,
there is no greater deterrent than you.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We will kill you, but it doesn't stop you. It
doesn't stop you, you know.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
So I think I think the reality will come to
the conclusion that there need to be a proportion of
people locked away, and when they're locked away, we're safer.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, that's that anyway.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
David seymore on the privacy of the fit.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Do you kill?
Speaker 9 (33:40):
The fairies are partly privatized, you know, and if they
improve the service, who.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
It is six half for five. Great to have your
company coming up at four to six. The coward punch penalty.
Is it really going to make people stop and think
before they do something stupid like throw a punch? We'll
ask that question. Centrix data out this morning. Insolvencies up
twenty seven percent year on here for businesses. So which
parts of the economy are hurting the most and is
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this because of the economy or is it enforcement by
the IID Donald Tomato in Australia. For US pennywong Off
to Washington and West New Zealand is open for business today.
Is it worth the forty five million dollar price tag
that we're paying? Seven after five.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The agenda.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Tuesday, first of July. Europe in heat wave. This morning,
two hundred schools closed Spain. Hottest June day on record
forty six degrees.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It is quite a lot to see this happening so
early in the summer season.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So the heat way season.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Across Europe starts at the beginning of June and it
would extend into September. So if you think about that,
you think about what we could see in the rest
of the summer with wildfires. And also we have this
dry conditions in large parts of Europe's as well, which
is raising.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
The risk of drought.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Travel on the shoulder seats and everybody. That's the advice
now Around's Depity Foreign Minister. This is on the question
of whether they will get back to the table and
start talking about the nuclear program. Around Foreign Minister says
they must, the UIs must have all let any further strikes.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
First, we have not agreed to any date.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
You have not agreed to the modality. Right now we
are seeking an answer to this question. Are we going
to see a repetition of an actual aggess while we
are engaging India? They have not made their position here yet.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
In the US, the Senate's now voting on the Big
Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
Finally, this bill steals people's health care, jacks up their electricity,
bill takes away their jobs, all to pay for tax
breaks for billionaires.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
And so yes, there are some improvements and reforms to
Medicaid to make it more efficient, to make sure that
the people who are supposed to benefit from medicaid do
and that it.
Speaker 9 (02:26):
Doesn't go to people who shouldn't benefit from medicaid.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And to New York City the Diddy trial. As we speak,
the juries begun their deliberations.
Speaker 10 (02:34):
The judge who has presided over this case, Ourn Subromanium,
gave lengthy instructions to the eight men and four women
of this jury on how to structure their deliberations. If
they do convict him of the most serious charges, he
could spend the rest of his life in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
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Speaker 3 (03:04):
Nine after five. Great to have your company this morning.
So stocks only thing going up really, it seems around
the world of temperatures if you're in Europe, and stocks
in the US going through the roof and in the
end of a pretty crazy second quarter for the markets.
Now the reason they've gone up overnight this is the
S and P five hundred and the Nasdaq heading new
intra day records. Canada has withdrawn its digital services tax,
(03:28):
so you know how Carne obviously wants a deal over
tariffs with Trump, and they're trying to negotiate that and
blah blah blah, and Trump the other day was throwing
a big stick around, waving a stick around on true
social you know, we'll just blow up the any agreement
or any partial agreement we had anyway. So that seems
to be coming to ahead because Carne clearly wants a deal.
(03:49):
So the S and P five hundred finishing on a high,
highest close on Friday since February. So it's actually up
eight percent on when Trump announced the tariff. So yes,
it took a big hat, but it's actually up. We're
eight percent higher than we were before. You've still got
strong corporate earnings, You've still got growth, pretty resilient holding up.
(04:10):
Inflation is near two percent. So that's a pretty incredible
story really for a stock market that's been battered and
bruised to come out with a result like that. Ten
after five News talks there be we'll talk here in
New Zealand about invest New Zealand. Can we attract some
of that foreign capital to come our way. That's next
(04:30):
ten after five.
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Speaker 1 (04:41):
News talks, that'd be five.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Po thirteen on news talks, there'd be nobody puts Winston
Peters in privatization in the same sentence. Well, normally, you
know the economic nationalist he is, you wouldn't do that.
But this morning there's a story in the Herald Winston
Peters has opened the door for the part privatization of
the new fairies that we're getting. So we get a
couple of new, beautiful, brand spanking fairies, and they're bigger
(05:03):
and better than the previous ones. Not as big or
as good as the ones we would have got, but
better than the ones we have Anyway, Peters takes a
paper to Cabinet earlier this year with Nikola Willis and
Chris Bishop, and included in that is a direction to
Faery Holdings, which is the publicly owned companies set up
to get these fairies to consider options for ferry ownership
(05:25):
and the operation that will improve efficiency and recycle government
capital in other world in other words, get capital out
and then put it in somewhere else. So that is
on the table. But then you ask Inston Peter's to
his face and he says, no, We're not doing anything
like that. So a curious move and reeks of something
to do with backroom negotiations amongst the coalition partners. Fourteen
(05:46):
after five from today will officially have a new regulatory
body for overseas investment. Invest in Z is an agency
set up to help attract and retain large investment from
overseas buyers. Responsible Minister Tom McClay hopes this will create
job boost productivity. Catherine bed Sea Business ends, the advocacy
director with us this morning. Catherine, good morning, Good morning.
(06:07):
So this is obviously going to be an expensive exercise.
I think forty five million dollars over the next few years.
Are we sure of eighty five million dollars over four
years to establish it and it's as itself as an
autonomous Crown entity. Is it going to be worth it?
Do we think? Oh?
Speaker 11 (06:24):
Look, we definitely had to do something, Ryan. We are
one of the hardest places to invest in the OECD
and as everybody knows, investment is the lifeblood of economic success,
so we definitely needed to make it easier and I
think this is a really good start. It will be
much much more of a bespoke concierge sort of approach.
(06:48):
I think they've looked at Ireland and other countries that
do it far better than we do. And my understanding
is it's going to be quite a small, lean and
mean agency as well, and taking some of that work
away from MZTE. So hopefully it's not going to be
too expensive.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Right And do you what sort of people do you
think that they'll be hiring.
Speaker 12 (07:13):
Look, I've heard that it'll be people with really good
roll indecks of international investors, in connections, so they should
be well connected to investors around the world, and you know,
they should be also looking at where the opportunities are
here and where our gaps are and where.
Speaker 11 (07:31):
We actually need investment. So well connected people. Not a
lot of them my understanding, but well connected all right.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So we will live and across our fingers and hope
and pray that this works. We need to, of course,
have attractive investments here to begin with. Is this is
our problem just cosmetic we're not advertising ourselves well enough
or are there a lack of viable attractive deals?
Speaker 13 (07:56):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (07:56):
Look, I think there'll be a lot to invest in
a New Zealand. You know, as you know, we have
a big infrastructure deficit. There's a lot of spending that
needs to be done. And yeah, and you know, look,
I think we've got a lot of opportunities in the
future if we get into some more long term thinking
(08:16):
and you know, business is Zealand we're advocating thirty years.
You know, have a thirty year horizon. What will we need?
What could we be great at and let's have a
plan and get on with it.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Catherine, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you for coming on.
Catherine Beard, Business en Advocacy Directed. That time is sixteen
after five year on News Talks theb construction industry. No
surprises for you. You feature quite prominently in company liquidations
up twenty seven percent year on year.
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This winter News Talks at B five nineteen on Newstalks RBS.
So from today there's a new twenty four to seven
digital health service, so you can basically call or you
can video chat a doctor. And this is round the
clock outside normal clinic hours. Things that they this is
the government giving you information. Things you can ring them
about a mother with a sick child in the middle
(09:19):
of the night, someone waking up with a sudden rash
on a public holiday. Sounds like it's been a good one.
A farmer in rural New Zealand needing help after ours,
a family on holiday in a different part of the country,
or someone not enrolled with the local GP, which is
a good point because when you're in a different area
you have to pay these exorbitant fees. So anyway, this
is what's happening from today. You can now call a
(09:41):
number and have a video consult through the government and
this is to improve the lot because people are waiting
too long to see a GP. This is one of
the ways I'll do it. But it's a little bit
like using private hospitals for public operations. Is there a
staffing shortage? Do you create a problem with the labor
works down the line? People won't care well they once
(10:03):
you've got a coffin and you phone a number and
it's sorted. Twenty after five, Ryan Bridge, you started out
this morning from centrics and business liquidations up twenty seven
percent year on year. Business loan defaults also up fourteen percent.
Brian Williams principal at BWA Insolvency with me this morning, Brian.
Good morning, Oh, good morning Ryan.
Speaker 14 (10:20):
Good to speak with you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Great to have you on. Now, are these insolvencies because
of the economy or because we're taking more enforcement action?
What's behind them?
Speaker 14 (10:30):
I think that the combination of both. To be honest,
I think that the density four hitholders to take the
view that they can no longer continue with their current
circumstances is certainly a feature of what we're seeing, but
it is clearly a result or an after glow of
COVID and the lower demand that's flowed out of the
(10:51):
government policies. I think that's exposed. We can balance sheets
as the tiger's out. Of course, that exposes all of
those rocks that are not forming the strongest position for
the companies, and they can't be dealt with by continued
levels of sales that existed in the past.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
What sort of businesses are able to survive? I mean,
are you seeing trends in terms of industries presumably constructions
up there?
Speaker 14 (11:19):
Well, I think the construction always features highly anyway, because
they represent such a high proportion of the gross domestic
products of the country. But they're certainly high, no doubt
about that. The particular segment inside the construction industry of
those builders that started for the hammer and started to
(11:39):
smash nails and a timber and don't necessarily followed up
with the exities that requires to make sure that they're
very slim margins results in survival.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Sorry, party, absolutely. When do you see this turning around?
I mean you're at the could face and we're seeing
it every month we get the reports that it's here
on year, still up. When do we start to see
it come down? Do you think?
Speaker 14 (12:04):
I think later this year, And it could be asked,
why would I think that. I think that there is
a discretionary spend will increase as the year progresses, as
the sun shines more towards Christmas. People have an enlightened
or like the viewpoint about their future. But they've got
to have funds to spend, and that is going to
(12:25):
be lowered interest rates and I guess costs coming down.
So I think that later on this year there will
also be I think a new surge of a new
economy on the way. If gear political environment will allow it,
there'll be a new economy on the way. AI is
(12:46):
featuring more and more in the news all the time,
and there'll be new providers, new supply siders. So I
think Christmas New Year will be the time where we get.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
A little, little, most little kickback. Brian appreciate you to
at least not getting worse month on month. Brian, appreciate
you time this morning. Thank you very much, principal at
BWA insolvency if you're just joining us. Company liquidations was
in twenty seven percent year on year, partly, as Brian says,
partly because of IID enforcement action, but also partly just
the state of the economy at the moment. Twenty three
(13:19):
minutes after five News Talks, here be more on AI
next the.
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It be five twenty five News Talks. There be the
robots are coming. Look out everybody and they reckon though
that be better at us than us humans doing really difficult
complex stuff like being a doctor. Microsoft has announced overnight
an artificial intelligence system which I am just calling a
robot that performs better. This is what they're arguing performs
(13:50):
better than a human doctor at complex health diagnosis. This
is according to Guardian reporting in the last couple of
hours they say Microsoft's come out. There AI unit has
come out and said they're creating a path to medical superintelligence.
Look out world. So they think in their case studies
(14:11):
that their AI doctor solves or correctly diagnosed eight out
of ten case studies, really complex ones eight out of ten.
The real doctors who didn't have access to the Internet
or to books or anything, the real doctors two out
of ten. So who are you going to trust? And
that's the question you start asking yourself. Do you trust
(14:32):
AI to make important decisions, like health decisions on your behalf,
even though doctors don't always get it right. The thought
of a computer deciding your fate is kind of weird,
hard to get used to. But if it's shown to
work reliably, if it's accurate, and I suppose why not. China, meanwhile,
is into robots big time. A company there wants a
(14:54):
humanoid robot cleaning our dishes and washing our clothes in
a matter of years. They had an exhibition this week.
They want one robot for every home, and this I
can get on board with. But you've got to ask.
With the robots apparently taking every job under the sun,
they'll be cutting our hair soon. What are we going
to do once they've completed their mission to take over
(15:14):
the world? What do we do for work? Seventy seven
percent of companies are either using AI right now or
are actively trying to. Year on year growth for this
industry is now at more than one hundred percent. Seventy
seven percent of all devices in the world are currently
using some form of AI. And I get why this
(15:34):
is happening and everything from health to housework, because it's
far more efficient and cost effective to do this. But
with so much of the work being done by others,
what's left to occupy our time?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Fry and Bridge?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Shall we just sit and think? I don't know. What
do we do? Is it like early retirement? How do
we get paid? Twenty eight minutes after five news talks,
thereb Dalai Lama is preparing for his succession plan and
this is irking China because of course China thinks that
they will pick the next Dalai Lama. They see him
as a separatist. He's living in exile outside of Tibet,
(16:11):
He's living in India, and the Dalai Lama is apparently
going to reveal The process for this is ahead of
his ninetieth birthday, so he's doing well innings wise. He
is going to announce what the process is for picking
a successor, and this is really irked China because they
think they will be Beijing will be the one to
pick whoever it is, boy or girl, and where they
(16:33):
come from is the other important thing too. Twenty eight
minutes after five coming up after the news at five thirty,
we'll get to our reporters around the country. Donnad de
Mayo is in Australia for US this morning, and lots
to talk about with her, including Penny Wong heading off
to America and the press in Australia saying that she's
the wrong person for the job. You don't want to
(16:55):
send somebody who has sort of blundered her way through
the Gaza situation and raised eyebrows over in Washington. But
nonetheless she'll be off so done and demy on that.
And of course we'll look at the record temperatures out
of this European heat wave and more on the Microsoft
announcement overnight too here on News Talk sbb.
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Good morning, twenty four minutes away from six. News TALKSB
are coming up before six. We're going to get to
a defense Luare. This is on from the Law Association
on the coward punch? Is a law like that's actually
going to change the way people think? Are you going
to have a rational thought in the middle of throwing
a cowd punch and think, oh, I could go to
prison for longer, so therefore I won't do this? And
(18:11):
is that actually the point? We'll look at that before six. Also,
our Australia correspondent Don and tomorrows with us. Penny Wong
is off to Washington today. A lot of people say
she shouldn't be going. We'll tell you why. Right now.
It is twenty three to.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Six, Ryan Bridge, Slow.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Reporters around the country and we'll go to Cullum and Dunedin.
Cullum Dunedin Council adopting this annual plan. This includes the
higher rates, right yeah, it does, Ryan Morning.
Speaker 15 (18:37):
The plan approved yesterday includes a ten point seven percent
rates rise for Dunedin rate payers for the coming year
ten point seven So that's slightly higher than the ten
point five which was previously consulted on look the mayor
here at Jills Raddicks. Defending this rise, He says to
Needin's rates are much lower than many of our neighbors,
and he says given rates rises across the country for
(18:59):
communities to live their infrastructure, he believes the Needin's rates
are still below average. He also says their nine year
plan achieved the flattening of debt they need and a
balanced budget for the first time in a while.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
All Right, how's your weather.
Speaker 15 (19:12):
It's fine, fresh westerlies today the high thirteen.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Nice one callum, thank you and Courtney in christ jets
for us.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Hey, Courtney, good morning.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Tell us about the upgrades around the new stadium. Apparently
very much on time.
Speaker 16 (19:24):
Yes, no, always a good story when it comes to
the stadium. So thirty four million dollar project has improved
the water and transport networks around One New Zealand Stadium
ahead of its opening in April. MDTA cut funding for
the upgrades in November, so the council decided to cover
the costs themselves.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It says.
Speaker 16 (19:43):
The final layer of ashvelt on the footpaths will be
completed later this year, along with landscaping works on the
stadium grounds. The six hundred and eighty three million dollar
stadium is on schedule to open in April next year.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Fantastic. That is always good news, Courtney.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
How's fine with some morning frost this morning?
Speaker 16 (20:02):
Westerly's are high.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
Of a living.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Thank you very much, Courtney, Emex and Wellington, Hey Max,
good morning.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
Jeez.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I had to laugh when I saw the you know
everybody else is getting the streets flooded by the weather.
Wellington started to themselves.
Speaker 13 (20:15):
Yes, Taylor's old as time. Yeah, two steps forward for water,
one step back. The forward part is that finally the
final Regional Council has agreed to sign up to this
new joint water entity which will take effect in the
year's time. Upper Hut yesterday, confirming it will join podyvia
Lower Hut Wellington City. The Regional Council informing this body
(20:36):
that will take over drinking water, wastewater, storm water, don't
close the door on the way out, Wellington Water, more efficiency,
hope hopefully less in water charges and of course yeah, meanwhile,
we had this monster of a leak in the CBD yesterday,
a fifty year old pipe exploding on Johnston Street, spewing
brown water. Water was cut off to some officers. It
(20:58):
was later turned off for others. Work to fix it
went into the night, perhaps symbolic as it came virtually
the very moment the final death knell for Wellington Water sounded.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, it's almost like the pipes are in an artistic
expression of the city's feelings.
Speaker 13 (21:15):
It makes sense as you were the next uh fine
light winds thirteen brilliant, Thank you, Hey Neva.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
How are you?
Speaker 17 (21:22):
Greetings?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Good things. Now you've got a financial update on our system, watercre.
Speaker 17 (21:27):
That's right now water Care has completed. This is the
country's largest corporate debt capital rais. So this is now
at three point four billion dollars. What this means it
becomes financially separate from Auckland Council. So the move this
is just a key component of the government's local Water
Done Well legislation. This was announced in May last year.
(21:47):
Jamie Sinclair is the chief executive. He says the separation
gives water here the ability to borrow in its own
name for the first time and also borrow more so.
He says that means they can keep prices lower than
they could have otherwise today, you know, July first, everything's
coming in today. But water, key is water and wastewater
prices the increased by seven point two percent.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Just on that right, Hey, how's out with it today?
Speaker 17 (22:11):
Ah? Cloudy, we've got isolated showers. They'll be clearing though.
Fifteen is the high here in Auckland.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Brilliant. Thank you, Neva. We'll see you later on. That
is neither with news nineteen minutes away from six here
on News Talk CREB and we will get to our
correspondent Donald tomorrow out of Australia.
Speaker 11 (22:24):
Next.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
A couple of things talk to her about, including Penny
one off to Washington, and then the coward punch? Does
changing a lure just saying you'll get an extra year
if you throw that punch change people's behavior? And if not,
because I don't necessarily think it will. But if not,
is there another meaning to having longer sentences? Is that
(22:50):
for the benefit of the victim perhaps rather than the system.
And if that's the goal, then surely it's got to
be a good thing. We'll talk to a Laurie about
this just before six. It's nineteen two International correspondence with
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Business sixth anyway from six News talks, there'd be done
on Tomaw's our Australia correspondent on a good morning, good
(23:12):
morning to you. Now we have deliberations. This is in
the Mushroom Lady murder trial.
Speaker 18 (23:17):
Yes, so after more than nine weeks of legal proceedings,
the jury is deliberating on its verdict. The jury has
been sequestered so they can't actually go home. And as
I'll just give you a little bit of background. Obviously,
Aaron Pattison is accused of murdering three relatives and attempting
to murder at fourth at a lunch at her home
in Lencoln Gathera, which is southeastern Melbourne. That was way
(23:38):
back in twenty twenty three. She has pleaded not guilty
to all charges. Her lawyers argue the incident was a
tragic accident. Now, there were fifteen potential jurors that were
impaneled initially and the Supreme Court had these extras just
in case one fell sick or was discharged. Now I
don't know if you know this, but in May a
jura was actually removed. The judge in the court that
(24:01):
the juror had been discussing the case with family and friends,
and so the other two reserved duras are now also gone,
and so now we are left with the twelve people
which will determine if Miss Patterson is to be convicted
or acquitted. Now, there were more than fifty prosecution witnesses
in the trial, and of course we'll never know what
happens in that deliberation room, but we will know at
(24:24):
some point what they think, and obviously it has to
be a unanimous verdict, so we'll have to wait and
see what the jury decides.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, I think most people kind of have a pretty
clear view on what they think happened there, but we'll
just have to wait and see. Hey, Penny Wong heading
off to the US for talks with Washington, but not
everyone sort are happy that she's the one going.
Speaker 18 (24:47):
Well, we know that Anthony Albaneze is still waiting face
to face with Donald Trump. But in the meantime, Foreign
Minister Pennywong is off to Washington. She's going to meet
with the Quad Foreign Ministers there. Now it's the second
foreign ministers meeting in just six months. She says it's
about strengthening corporation to ensure a peaceful, stable and prosperous
Indo Pacific. She's going to meet with the US Secretary
(25:11):
of State Mark Rubio, and she says it's just about
working to further Australia's economic and security partnerships and advance
our mutual interests, et cetera, et cetera. But we know
that defense spending is high on their gender. You might
recall that the US is still pushing for Australia to
increase defense spending lifted to three point five percent of
(25:33):
our GDP, and also obviously waiting to hear what's going
to happen with these tariffs, these Trump tariffs that we're introduced.
So she will be meeting with Japan, You're meeting with
India and obviously the US and interesting times for Penny
wont But as I said, elbows still yet to meet
with the administration.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, it's been to a hot minute two. Hasn't it
appreciated that Donna Donald, our Australia correspondent, thirteen minutes away
from six Brian Bridge, by the way, I see over
at the White House Press briefing room, that Caroline Leavitt
has been taken a new tactic holding up all the
central Bank interest rates, a big list of them to
the press saying look where we are. You know this
(26:13):
is part of their campaign to try and scare or
prompt jer own Power to start dropping rates, even though
he has clearly no intention of doing so. Thirteen minutes
away from six o'clock now the government here on a
bit of a roll with law and order announcements. Coward
punches will now be made a specific offense punishment eight
years or fifteen years if you and ten grievous bodily harm.
(26:35):
If a victim dies following an attack, the maximum penalty
is life, and new offenses will be added to the
three strikes legislation the regime. Julianne Kincaid is a case cy,
vice president of the Law Association. With me this morning, Jillian,
Good morning, Good morning Ryan, Thanks for being with me.
Do you think these changes will make a difference.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I think that they are cosmetic. I understand there has
been a lot of discussion looking for a form in
this area, but in effect, what these changes will do
is add one year to the maximum penalty of offenses
which already exist. So I don't think that in reality
they will have huge impact. On any particular case.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Is that because judges will use the discretion.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Look, sentencing in any case is always very complex, and
when we look at assault charges in particular, we look
first of all at the harm that was caused, the
grievous fully harmor was at an injury, and then we
look at the intent behind it, which helps us to
choose which one of the myriad of assault charges there are.
There's at least over thirteen already in the Crimes Act.
(27:49):
This is adding another two. The fact that they're also
putting these onto the three strikes legislation isn't the difference
because of the offenses that already exist are strike offenses well.
And also the fact that the maximum penalty in a
culpable homicide in a case of this nature is one
of life imprisonment is not a change and that's already
(28:09):
the case, right, So I think it's quite cosmetic.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Okay. Do those who perperpetrate these types of attacks think
about the sentence when they're doing it? Typically?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Well, no, of course, not often that type of offense
who cars at night when people are perhaps have had
a few drinks and so on. I don't think it
would stop anyone in that particular situation, it doors allow
for advertising. However, as it's happened in Australia, and this
is a law that does exist in some states in Australia's,
(28:42):
there's no comparable legislation in England. I would like to
add one thing round that an attack to the head
is already an aggravating feature for assault cases, whether it's
one punch or several, it's already a factor which is
very much taken into accountant sentence.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
This is different than isn't it. This is a punch
you had no warning about, you didn't see coming. You
can't brace yourself, you can't defend yourself.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yes, look, thankfully these cases do exist. Of course they do.
And there was one widely publicized case where people were
concerned with the sentence saying, which led to a lot
of discussion on this, and I'm lawyers are always very
cautious about any legislation that arises out of one particular case.
(29:28):
There are as a long line of authorities for situations
where this type of one punch has occurred, and judges
have been sentencing in this category for a very long time.
Most of the time it doesn't cause anyone any concern
at all. Appreciate now and again there can be some
cases which do we shouldn't legislates on the basis of
(29:49):
those one or two situations.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
But why not, Because that's one or two families who
don't feel they've had justice. Some guy who's come up
behind their son, their brother, their husband while they's out
having a good time, puts them from the back of
the head. I mean, who key is what's wrong with
legislating for one or two.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Cases, because it's very difficult to take all of the
factors in that one case and then apply them out
right across the board for everyone. There's so many different
factors that apply in all sorts of cases, including assault cases,
and in my respectful opinion, they're already very much covered
in all of the legislations. Often families are very unhappy
(30:30):
with outcoming cases, but it doesn't mean that the legislation
that sits behind them is in fact wrong or not
working properly. Julie, that's a different feature.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I appreciate. I appreciate your time this morning, Julian kink Casey,
Vice President of the Law Association, with an opinion I'm
sure many of you will be scratching your heads out potentially,
because in my mind, if the justice system isn't serving
the victim's family, is what's the point of a justice system?
You know, it's the it's there to punish, yes, but
(31:01):
it's also there to to help with the healing of
the victim, isn't it? Nine nine two, It's eight to
six News Talks MB.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Ryan Bridge on early edition with ex bowl insulation keeping
chili hos warm and dry.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
This Winter News Talks.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
MB just gone six minutes away from six now. Lots
of texts on the coward punch law change. We just
spoke to a lawyer, a KC about this, Ryan, about
the coward's punch. Surely it would be better to up
the minimum sentence. The judge has too much discretion when
you give them a discount on a maximum sentence. It's
a very good point, Ryan. Why is a punch to
the back of my head worse than one straight in
(31:39):
my face by someone twice my size? Well, you can't
do anything about a punch that comes to the back
of your head, can you? If you don't know it's coming,
you can't move, you can't brace, you can't your powerless, Ryan,
should we should get Ai to replace lawyers and judges
one day the outcomes will be fast, simpler and clearer.
Five to six Bridge might with us. Hey, Mike morning,
(32:03):
good morning. What do you think of the coward punch?
Speaker 9 (32:06):
I think it might work or it might not. They
called it a king hit in Australia. I don't know
why it's become a coward punch, but.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I think because they wanted to make it less cool.
You know, was right.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
So you're on the street and you're about to deck
somebody and you're going, well, it was gonna but now
it's called and you used a coward punch, so I won't.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I can know. I can kind of understand though, like
if you're doing the headline and a paper, a coward
punch couches it and better hang on about to hit you.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
But I'm just thinking, now, what's the headline.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
In the paper? And not for the guy who keep digging, Ryan.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Keep digging, mate, Dear. It sounds like I think you
made a reasonable point before having said that, and your
point being that no one's thinking about this on the street,
are they, and so you're not thinking of the consequences.
But also I was watched the Prime Minister yesterday post cabinet,
and his point was, you know, people in the jail
are going to be people in the jail, and we
(33:05):
have more people in the jail, so be it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's just laughing.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
We'll need to build more jails. And I think ultimately
they're probably on the right side of this, because if you.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Think about punishments around the world, people are a lot
harsher than us. You know, where they have but where
they have the death penalty, people still murder, of course,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (33:20):
So if you're looking, if you're looking for the ultimate deterrent,
there is no greater deterrent than you.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We will kill you, but it doesn't stop you. It
doesn't stop you, you know.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
So I think I think the reality will come to
the conclusion that there need to be a proportion of
people locked away, and when they're locked away, we're safer.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, that's that anyway.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
David seymore on the privacy of the fit.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Do you kill?
Speaker 9 (33:40):
The fairies are partly privatized, you know, and if they
improve the service, who.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Could do a worse child than what okay, civil I
would make for your next All the problems of the
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Speaker 2 (34:01):
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