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September 2, 2025 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast Wednesday 3rd of September 2025, Should we pull out of the Paris Climate Accord? Federated Farmers National President Wayne Langford makes his case. 

A international visitor survey shows there was a 5% increase in visitors over the last year, Hospitality NZ Head of Advocacy Sam Mackinnon shares his thoughts.

The Government’s rejected tougher entry rules for universities, Grant Edwards Vice Chancellor Lincoln University tells Andrew whether or not we need tougher restrictions. 

Plus UK/ Europe Correspondent Gavin Grey has the latest on the UK government long-term borrowing costs reaching their highest level since 1998.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickots on
earlier this show with one roof love where you Live
News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Be welcome one to you and welcome to the program,
and thank you so much for choosing us. Coming up
over the next hour, the Education Minister has rejected recommendations
to tight enough our tertiary qualifications. I'll ask the question,
has our tertiary sector being dumbed down? And we'll have
that story for you. In five tourism numbers are up,
but how can we move the needle even higher? That story?

(00:31):
In ten, should we pull out of the Paris climbate
a cord. I've got some thoughts, but we'll talk to
fed farmers to see if they welcome this move or
does it have fish hooks for our cornerstone industry of farming.
And we'll talk about the Westport man who was struck
by lightning who claims his gun boots saved his life.
We'll have that story plus correspondence from around the world.

(00:51):
It's Gavin Gray from the UK today and correspondents from
around New Zealand and you can have your say on
the text. The number is ninety two ninety two and
a small charge applies to five the agenda. At Wenesday,
the third of September, the stage is set in the
heart of Beijing for a grand display of power at
military that's all been choreographed by President Jesimping.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
The parade is important.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It will highlight the discipline of our soldiers and our
morale will be high.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Oh yeah, the parade will showcase China's strength and let
the world know we are big country and we have power.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes. Well, there's twenty six world leaders there looking at
a new world order. Putins their body is there, and
for the very first time, Kim Jong un. They're all
fronting up together. Putin's been meeting with Xi ahead of
the parade to.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Please I thank you for the warm welcome extended to
our entire delegation. Our close communication reflects the strategic nature
of Russia China relations, which are at an unprecedentedally high level.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Now to America, where there's another legal loss for Donald trumpet.
Judge in California has blocked the president's move to send
the National Guard into Los Angeles, saying it breached laws
banning military use on domestic soils. Now the ruling's on
hold for now and Donald Trump's expected to appeal.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
At this point, it only applies to California. The present
is thinking about sending troops into Chicago in the coming
days to help with law enforcement. Obviously, that will create
another legal challenge from the state of Illinois in the
city of Chicago. I think what the administration will do
is argue that this is a district court and it

(02:33):
doesn't really have the power to constrain the authority of
the President.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
And finally some Madonna is After months of speculation, Anna
Wintur has announced a new top editor at both Enna
announced in June. She of the Big, Big Sunglasses All

(02:59):
Day Night. Anna announced in June that she was stepping
down from the role she heild for almost forty years,
and now Chloe Mahler, who currently serves as editor will
step up as the head of editor editorial content for
Vogue US. Thank you, Anna, Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
The first word on the News of the Day Early
edition with Andrew Dickins and One Root Love Where You Live.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
News Talk sa'd be It is now ten minutes after
five yesterday, the Prime Minister was on the good News
trail talking up Amazon's seven point five billion dollar investment
in data centers around Auckland. It's right up as aali.
He's long said that foreign investment is needed in New Zealand,
but to be faired, this has nothing to do with
the current government, and Christopher Luxen was actually quite open

(03:43):
about that. Amazon actually unveiled the plans back in twenty
twenty one, saying the data centers would open in twenty
twenty four. Construction, however, was holded in twenty twenty three,
but they pulled their finger out last December. They said
the data centres would open this year, and now they have.
The company has also confirmed yesday it is still investing
seven point five billion and would support an average of

(04:04):
more than one thousand full time equivalent jobs, and they
reckon they will add ten point eight billion dollars to
our economy. So this is all good, isn't it. But
some don't like it because it's Amazon, because it's Jeff Bezos,
because it eats up more of our precious power, and Amazon,
of course undermines local manufacturing and retailing and wage rates. However,

(04:25):
Amazon will be employing in the high skilled areas, So
this is telecommunication engineers, data wranglers, all those sorts of
people and we should not quibble because all investment is
good investment. It stirs the cash in the pot. So
foreign investment is fine, but you know, local investment is
infinitely better because local investment means local profits stay in

(04:47):
our country, and that really keeps the wheels going round.
I heard some talkback on this with the Boys yesterday afternoon.
In one caller criticize the government's belief that foreign investment
is the answer to all our economic problems. He said,
that's naive, and our problems run far deeper than a
lack of foreign investment, and he's not wrong. In the weekend,

(05:08):
Liam Dan wrote about our cost of living crisis. He
did what good journalists do, found that a pound of
butter is pretty much the same price all around the world,
and he said, we do not have a cost of
living crisis. We have a wage crisis, which means we
can't afford our products and the services we need. And
our low wages are not because of a lack of
foreign investment, because actually there's already plenty of that about already,

(05:32):
but because we have a wealth creation crisis. The real
answer to our malaise is that New Zealanders need to
make stuff and products that people overseas buy and New
Zealanders need to invest in New Zealand businesses that create
the wealth. Andrew Dickens twelve after five and speaking of

(05:52):
wealth to our cornerstone of our economy. The Global Dairy
Trade Auction was out today, prices down azero point three percent.
What can I tell you? Butter down two point five percent,
So maybe we might see that powder butter go down
a little bit and whole milk powder down minus five
point three percent. We're going to talk more about farming

(06:14):
a bit later on. Farmers is joining us in the show.
But next the universities. Too many people are giving away
too many, too many easier degrees, too many easier masters,
too many easier PhDs. There was a push to make
it harder, but that's been rejected by Shane Retti. We're
going to ask a guy from Lincoln University and the
chair of the university's New Zealand what he thinks about

(06:37):
the minister's move. That's next on news Talk Zreb.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Get ahead of the Headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and one roof Love where you Live News Talks.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
That'd be it's fifteen out of five so a push
to make our universities more elite has been shot down.
The government's rejected tougher entry rules and limits on who
can hand out or doctorates. It's accepted just twenty three
of sixty three recommendations from our report from the University
Advisory Group led by Peter Gluckman. So to talk about this,
let's talk to an educator. Grant Edwards is the vice

(07:12):
chancellor of Lincoln University and the university's New Zealand Chair
and joins me this morning. Good morning to your Grant,
Good morning Andrew. Do you think we need more limits
on who can hand out our top academic qualifications?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
No, I don't think we need further limits. Universities are
the terchi institutions that do research led teaching in New Zealand,
and so believe that research only masters and research PSDs
should be awarded in universities.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
But it's also those other universities that hand out all
sorts of masters and all sorts of other things that
makes the people make the accusation that we've been dumbing
down our tertiary sector.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, there's in terms of the high degrees in the
postgraduate space, we have a range of taught masters in
particular and postgraduate qualifications. I think there I don't think
there's any indication that those other institutes are actually dumbing
down in handing out those particular qualifications. As particular interest

(08:17):
here is in research masters and research PhDs, which with
universities being research led, there's an important place that they're
awarded in universities.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Okay, well that was that was my next question. Should
universities be the only ones that can award masters and PhDs?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I think, as I indicated to you, the in particular
research masters and PhDs should be in general awarded by
the universities in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I heard Sandra Gray on our news this morning at
five am saying the real problem for our tertiary sector
is the funding model. Would you agree?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
In terms of the funding model, there are many funding
systems around the world, and most end up with some
form of a private government funding contributions similar to us.
We can always look at our funding system and how
funding is distributed and how it's both education and research
funding is directed towards qualifications particular disciplines. However, present probably

(09:24):
a long slow reduction and funding in real terms is
acting against the long term needs of the country and
probably just simply making changes in how we manage a
diminishing pool of funding won't serve university is all the
country well in the longer.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Term, all right, Gret, itwas I thank you so much
time grants the ad vice chances of Lincoln University and
from Universities New Zealand. And you may remember Peter Gluckman
actually talked to hit the last night. That is up
on our website right now. Oh and more education news.
Schools across New Zealand will be given cash to fix
up the failed experiment of open classrooms. This is a shock,

(10:02):
this is a surprise. Education Minister Erica Stamford made that
announcement on the Paddigawa Has issue show, which investigated the
problems the big old barn classrooms are causing. She said
schools could get money from a contestable fund based on
need to put in walls in the barns that have
been made. But here's the thing that I found quite amazing.
Erica revealed that she had ordered officials to determine the

(10:24):
scale of the problems because incredibly, the Ministry of Education
cannot tell us how many open planned classrooms that we
have even though the claims are over five billion dollars
has been spent on them. This is New Storks HEREB
it is five nineteen. Here's some good news for you. A.
Tourism numbers are up, but tourism people are not overly

(10:45):
happy with it all. Why well, that story is next
here on New Storks Here be nineteen after five on your.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Radio and online on iHeartRadio of Early Edition with Andrew
Dickens and one Root Love where you Live News Talks.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
That'd be five twenty one act in New Zealand. First, A,
we should be pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord
because we're overdoing it. Do you agree? Do you know
that you can send me a text? Two ninety two.
Now here's the good news to us. Are back and
they're here to spend. An international visitor survey shows there
was a five percent increase in visitors over the last
year and their spending was up by four percent, as

(11:22):
pumping more than twelve billion dollars into the local economy.
So I'm joined now by Sam McKinnon from Hospitality New Zealand.
Go on to your Sam.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Thank you to Andrew.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
You'd be a happy Camper.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Yeah, I mean, obviously were pleased to see a list
and spend and arrivals. It's all about things trending in
the right direction for us. So yeah, positive to hear
that announcement yesterday.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
So is five percent enough or could we kick it up?

Speaker 6 (11:47):
Of course we'd love more. Hospitality is also very reliant
on the domestic market, and we're seeing a list there
as well. But you know it's similar sort of number
four percent, five percent into and seven percent christ Church.
But you know, we've come through a really challenging period,
so I guess seeing that the seeing that things are
trending upwards is a real positive science for us.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yes, yeah, as you say, overseas tourism returning, but the
domestic spends returning, but maybe not enough is our real
problem at the moment that Kewis are reluctant to open
their wallets in the current economic environment.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Yeah, there's definitely a contributing sector. I mean, hospitality is
definitely a discretionary spend and households are struggling to cover
the cost that they've already got. So we're aware that
any spend that we're getting as a benefit at the moment,
But I guess as we've started to see some of
those increases in income for households around OCR cuts and

(12:46):
that sort of stuff, where I guess some of seeing
some of that confidence flow back into hospitality spend, which
is all positive science heading towards the summer trading period.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, and as you would say to all keywis, get
out there and see your country and spin spin spend.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeah, well, if you're able to get out and support hospitality.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now, is this tourism uptick a bit more geographically targeted
than in the past, like pre COVID, like more and
more people just go into Queenstown.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
I think Queensland has seen a decent left in that spend.
I mean, obviously it's our primary tourism hotspot in New Zealand. See,
you'd expect that to be to see a good chunk
of that left and spend. I mean, I guess overall,
you know there's across New Zealand councilors are trying to

(13:37):
work through their destination management plans. Everyone's trying to get
a slice of the tourism pire. So as we see
that those numbers left, overall, we should see a bit
more of that regional dispersal come through.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Good stuff, Sam McKinnon, I thank you from Hospitality New Zealand.
And in more good news for the hospitality sector, it
was the government yesterday outline proposed changes to licensing rules
for the events sector and events planning, because like if
you go to a gig, you do like to get
a beer and at the moment it's really hard to
do that. But they're going to make that a lot
easier and the tourism sector is already appreciating this greatly.

(14:14):
It is News talks HEB. Should we pull out of
the Paris Climate Accord? That's the question on the table
and my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
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Speaker 2 (14:27):
Talks B Wednesday morning. I'm Andrew Dickinson for Ryan Bridge
who's on holiday. He'll be back next week. So the
question put on the table yesterday should we pull out
of the Paris Climate Accord, got the backing of ACT
and New Zealand. First they said we should. We're over
doing it, and of course my first reaction is, of
course we should pull out. Yes, the thing isn't working.

(14:48):
It's never worked. It's always felt like something the world
does to make itself feel like it's doing something even
though it's doing nothing. When you combine that, the Paris
accords with the emissions trading scheme, which is a giant
Ponzi scheme made to make coldplate feel better about touring
the world at jetplanes, meanwhile filling up our pastures with
trees because of their guilt. The whole thing seems useless.

(15:12):
I'm sorry, well meaning, but useless. So why be involved?
And we're so little? New Zealand's biggest contribution to CO
two numbers is our farming, which is a fairly benign
polluter because the world needs food just as much as
it needs oxygen. The world doesn't need more cheap genes
and plastic crap, but the people who make that stuff

(15:33):
are merely pumping rubbish into our atmosphere. We're making food here,
so why should we be punishing the cornerstone of our
economy making the food. We're in the scheme of things.
It contributes so little while the real polluters keep on polluting.
So yeah, let's stand up, tell the world they're in
a fool's paradise of virtue signaling, and let's get on
with feeding the people. We can. But the rest of

(15:56):
the world, with the exception of the United States, still
believe in this, and they're the ones buying our food.
And there are also the ones who will find any
way to blacklist our awesome agricultural products. Boy, the Euros,
the Europeans, if they can find a chink in our armor,
they will, They'll say, you can't bring your butter here.
So pulling out of the parade may see us cutting

(16:16):
off our nose despite our face. It may reduce the
compliance costs on our farmers in the first instance, but
what's the point of that if it makes the rest
of the world turn their back on our milk and
butter of meat because they think we're filthy pollutzers. So
Act in New Zealand First may think that this posturing
is helping our farmers, but in fact, maybe it could

(16:37):
be penalizing them more if heavily and maybe Act in
New Zealand First er are just play acting this for votes,
just as much as the Paris Climate Accords are play
acting for the environment. So look, let's call this thing
for what it is. Say it doesn't work. But rather
than just pulling out a bit of a flounce, we
should be advocating for real change to the accords and

(16:59):
the policies and to actually get on with helping the environment.
You don't need some towny on the radio talking about this.
We're going to talk to the Fed farmers just before six.
Is this going to help farmers or like I pointed out,
could it actually punish farmers by preventing us from exporting
the very stuff that our economy is built on. We'll see.

(17:22):
Also still to come. I've got a great story about
a guy in Westport who got hit by lightning. He
reckons its gun boots saved his life. We've got Gavin
Gray from the UK as well as the UK government.
It's even further than the doggy Doo Doo when it
comes to their economy and US is next. This is addition.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
Sometimes I just can.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Views and views you trust. To start your day. It's
early edition with Andrew Dickens and One roof Love, Where
you Live, News Talks at Ben Cold.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
You goodbye, example, Welcome to your Wednesday. I'm Antree Dickinson
for Lion runs back on Monday. It's fair to say
that everyone's saying get out of the Paris climate of cords.
We'll find out what the farmers believed. Just before six o'clock.
I'll give you some of the reaction that's come from
farmers actually later on in the program, speaking of farmers,

(18:26):
did you hear this story. It's a Westport dairy farm
manager who was out and about Monday and he got
hit by lightning and he reckons. His gun boot saved
his life. Chris Wilson was on his squad bike herding
cows into the milking shed about six am on Monday.
Then when lightning struck, he saw the whitest light he's
ever seen. He passed out. He woke up stumped over
the bike and he couldn't see for about five or
ten minutes. He gathered up all the cows and he

(18:48):
went home and had some breakfast, and then over breakfast,
he spewed up a little, and as missus said, you'd
better go to the doctor. So he went to the
doctor and Buller Hospital picked him up. And he's got
migraines and stuff, and this lightning burnt a whole and
his gun boots. So he's written to scale up to
tell the gunboots, those gun boots saved my life. A
little bit of rubber insulation there. If you've been grounded,
maybe he could have died. Management should probably have told

(19:12):
him to stay in during the storm. But hold on,
Chris's management. He's the farmer. He made his decision to
go out in the storm, which brings me to the
closure of Cornwall Park during the weekend in Orkan. It's
been criticized as an abundance of caution, taking away our
personal responsibility. But hold on, using my power of personal responsibility,

(19:32):
you weren't going to find me wandering around one hundred
year old trees in the middle of the storm. So yeah, okay,
Cornwall Park may have gone too far, but surely all
they did was what anyone with an ounce of common
sense would have done anyway. And Chris, I'm glad you're okay,
but next time, don't go out in the storms. Andrew Dickens,
it's twenty two to six esco around the country to
our tiger we go Callum Proctor, good morning to you morning, Andrew.

(19:55):
So in Toneda and Queenstown people are using the buses.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
They are.

Speaker 8 (20:00):
The Otago Regional Council runs the public transport here and
they're reporting a seven year high four bus patronage. In fact,
record breaking numbers. Toned and passengers made more than three
point four million trips between July last year and June
this year. That's a thirty seven percent increase since twenty
eighteen nineteen, surpassing the heights of those pre COVID levels.

(20:22):
Queenstown recorded nearly two million trips, thirty three percent rise
compared to seven years ago. The regional Council says it's
encouraging to see these numbers drove despite MZTA subsidies declining. However,
they also recognize there's still work to be done, including
exploring public transport options in Omoru.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
And what's the weather lake if you wait to get
the bus stop.

Speaker 8 (20:41):
It's chilly this morning, frosts an areas here, but a
fine day nor easterly is developing.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Fourteen The high good stuff. Cless Sherman from Christis good morning,
Good morning. So we've got our white beta issue.

Speaker 9 (20:53):
Yeah, well, some.

Speaker 10 (20:54):
Messy white bitas causing an issue. Andrew, We've got Wymark
at Eddy District Council planning to see and staff out
to check on these white baitas who have put up
some makeshift shelters along the northern banks of the Wymac River.
Pictures shared to our newsroom show several of these structures
and sort of camping setups, including tents, but also wooden

(21:14):
structures which have been erected along the banks since the
white baiting season started on Monday. A council spokesperson says
under the Pegasus Bay by law, overnight camping on the
beach all the sand dunes is not permitted. They say
staff will be taking an education before enforcement approach, at
least in the first instance.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
How's your weather fine?

Speaker 10 (21:35):
Though frosty to start here as well. Northeasterly is developing
a bit later, are high of thirteen?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Thank you to Wellington. We go. Max Tol, good morning,
Good morning. You're a man of mystery. All I have
from you is disorder around the region, and I have
no idea what kind of disorder you're talking about.

Speaker 11 (21:48):
Yeah, let me tell you, not good, as you can imagine.
We seem to be seeing a bit of a spate
of crime right across the Lower North Island lately. You've
had these gang shootings in LEAVENLA last month, a gang
relay disorder and Palmerston North two separate gun related incidents
there in a matter of hours. Also coming to light.
Yesterday was a very nasty attack in Lower Hut over

(22:09):
the weekend. The female manager of japan Mart, a shop
on the high Street beaten unconscious by a gang of
youths after banning them from her shop and trying to
call police. This was a group of young girls. Police
never came. We hope she's okay. We're trying to look
for an update. Meanwhile, three people also charged after allegedly
stealing a very large amount of meat from supermarkets here

(22:30):
in Wellington and Ireland Bay and Crofton Downs about one
thousand bucks worth targeted thefts. Thankfully they were tracked down.
Two young people and an eighteen year old man believed responsible.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Wellington. It's a great place when it's a nice day
speaking which how is the day?

Speaker 11 (22:44):
Well, it is fine today, lighter winds getting up to
thirteen central.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Now I'm joined by Niva Ritchie Manno from Auckland, Hell
and Nava. Good morning. So the Auckland to Corrimandel fiery
used to run then it didn't run. That's coming back, yes,
yay yay.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
So Explore group is rhein dating that very popular Auckland
to Corimantal ferry service just in time. For summer fullers
removed the summer service that was back in twenty twenty
two because of staff shortages. It's going to initially operate
the two hour services on a Friday, Saturday Sunday and
the first service will set sail on October twenty fourth.

(23:18):
The local businesses, the Coromandal Business Association says, look, it's
going to be great after the pandemic. Hopefully get more
tourists there, good news, increase their customer base as well.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Two things on that. Number one, when you do that,
you're lucky to see some dolphins in Orca because you
go right across the Firth of Terms. It's an amazing
ninety minute ride. I haven't been on it because they
keep on closing it down.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yes, oh okay, right.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
The other thing, I know a bloke who actually bought
some land who was going to build a batch in
Coromandal because he didn't want to actually do the big
drive because the drive is enormous and he wanted to
take the boat. But then so he bought the land
and then the boat stopped. Yes, of course, yeah, he
was not happy.

Speaker 9 (23:55):
He was not happy, but hey, let's be positive about this.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeahs back, it's but only on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Baby for starters.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And now how's the.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Weather partly cloudy, isolated morning, Charlesbourn a afternoon find spells
sixteen is a high here in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And I thank you it is now seventeen to six.
The TEXTUS ninety two ninety two small charge applies textas say,
is great to see more bus users into Nedin. Shame
on the council announcement yesterday that they're increasing the bus
fares go figure. You know, there's no public transport that
actually covers costs, and you either get the bus fares
go up or you get the rates go up. So

(24:30):
good luck with that one. But I thank you in
a moment Gavin Gray out of the UK. It's always
pleasing to see that the UK is an even worse
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Speaker 2 (25:47):
Have been great from the UK. Welcome to the program,
Hi there, Andrew So. UK government long term borrowing costs
have reached their highest level since nineteen ninety eight. That's
not good economic news.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
No, that is not good. So this basically is the
interest rates at which we the British, are being charged
for people that want to lend us money, and we
need that money because we are running at a massive,
massive overdraft, a massive national debt and the thirty year
government bonds, so that's the period of time it's paid
over with, known as the YELD. They jumped to five

(26:21):
point seventy two percent. So that means all of a sudden,
all of the forecasts that the government has been relying
on to basically outline the income and expenditure that it
wants to make and to bring in is all now
out of the window because suddenly everything's getting much more expensive.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Now.

Speaker 7 (26:37):
The UK is not alone in seeing these borrowing costs arise,
Andrew German, French and Dutch bonds also climbing to their
highest Why. Well, a lot is the instability coming out
of America with these trade policies and the upcoming confidence
vote in the French government as well weighing in people's
minds here in the EU. But this, I think is
now going to push this government here in the UK

(27:00):
into raising income tax levels or at least other big
taxes here because if the government wants to to remain
within its tax and spending rules, it's going to have
to do something.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, okay. Meanwhile, another CEO who has lost his job
after a romantic relationship with a direct subordinate.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
Now, this is the Swiss food giant Nesle. Of course,
they're famous for things like Kitcat chocolate bars and espresso
coffee capsules, etc. Say that Lauren Frize has been dismissed
with immediate effect following an investigation led by an independent
director and Nesle's chair. It's understood but not confirmed. The
inquiry into his behavior was triggered by a report made

(27:47):
through his company's whistle blowing channel. These of course reports
now about you know, how employees should feel free to
report anything that they think is untoward. And the Nesle
chair said it was a necessary decision the values of
the company and governance. They're very strong foundations for the company.
They thank him for his many years of service. But

(28:09):
this is certainly a bit of a shock. The Financial
Times here in London reporting that concerns were raised about
his relationship with an employee earlier this year. After an
internal investigation, the claims were found to be unsubstantiated, but
the complaints persisted, and according to that newspaper, Nesle conducted
another investigation with help from an outside council, after which

(28:31):
the claims were upheld. Now this, you'll know, of course,
is the longest in a long line. We've had other
companies here in the UK with similar issues. The BP
chief executive who led the oil job for three years,
Bernard Looney, he had to quit after admitting he was
not fully transparent over allegations about him. Steve Easterbrook was
fired by mc donald's in twenty nineteen after it found

(28:52):
he had consensual relationship with an employee, and that led
to a rather larger financial fine in the US misleading investors.
So companies very attuned now to perhaps things that twenty
thirty years ago might not have made the headline.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Absolutely don't fall with the crew and I thank you
so much, Gavin Gray from the UK. Or Meanwhile, I'm
seeing the BBC reporting that the Northern Lights are back
in big time and that means that the Australia, the
Aurora Australia is the southern lights. Our lights are back
as well, and apparently you're going to get a good
displayed this weekend. It is ten to six. All right,
our our climate targets getting in the way of our productivity.

(29:29):
Both act in New Zealand first have pledged to pull
out of the Paris Accords on their serious changes have made.
They say this is to stop putting pressure on farmers.
So how do farmers feel about this move? Wayne Langford
is Fed Farmers National President and joins me, Now go
on into your.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
Wayne, Good morning, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (29:47):
I mean it's the start of an encouraging conversation, but
I mean it's a bit of political bostero and I
think really well, we'd like is some action being taken
to to actually make those changes rather than just talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
You all know that the players Climate Accords for the
globe and not working. The omission trading scheme is not working.
It needs to be changed. But wood pulling out of
the accords actually put us in the naughty corner and
hurt farmers more.

Speaker 12 (30:14):
Well, that's you know, that's certainly one view on it.
That the challenge for us is why the government just
getting on and making the changes that are needed so
that not only the rules that can prosper, but also
the rest of the New Zealand compostor because actually mentioned
it is holding back some of the New Zealand's prosperity.
And that's what the two parties they're talking about. They're saying, Hey,

(30:35):
how do we adjust this to make this a fit
better of what New Zealand is? Well, the last time
I checked, how you guys are in government? Why don't
you change it?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Get on and door, So let me get this right.
Are you saying, yes, stay in the Paris Climate Accords,
but for God's sake, try and make some changes to
the whole things. Meanwhile, earn our domestic economy, make things
more rational.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Yeah, what we're saying is the climate rules will set
for ourselves a New Zealand hero. What causing the problem
not necessarily the Paris Agreement in itself. So we've got
overly ambitious methane targets where we're planning. We're doing full
farm from conversions into forestry conversions. But we were still
talking about planning pricing egg commissions. Why don't we just

(31:16):
scrapple that. Why don't we get that sorted so that
farmers know where we're sitting and we know what we're
doing in the country.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm getting a few techs some farmers right now who's saying, look,
I'm carbon neutral already. You know, we're actually doing a
very good job of producing very efficient meat with as
low a mission as you can possibly have. So are
farmers getting more appreciated with this new government than before?

Speaker 12 (31:38):
Definitely, definitely they are. And we're certainly seeing that in
the results that we're getting thrown our surveying as well.
And while there is a lot of sentiment out there
around going out of Paris, I think when you dig
deeper and they're look into what's actually holding Paris packet
is actually what we're setting on ourselves as the government.
And that's what that's what we're saying about this announcement.
He we appreciate the conversation. We like what you're talking

(32:00):
about here both acting news on person. But by the
way you guys are in government, you guys can make
these changes. Now, just get on and make these changes
that farmers have got a clear road to heat.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Wayne, I thank you so much. Wayne Langford from Federated
Farmers News Talks at b It is seven to six.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
At be so, as I said this morning, you don't
need a towny on the radio talking about the Climate
Accords for farmers. So here's a text from farmer called Grunt,
and Grant says, I'm a small farm. I have plenty
of trees and grass on the property to combat carbon
Our country shouldn't do anything different. We are relatively carbon neutral,
and we produce the best meat, and God knows the
world needs the meat. And as I said before, we're

(32:46):
kind of a benign polluter compared to everybody else. And
Mike Hosking joins me, now, good morning morning A.

Speaker 13 (32:52):
Hoggard on this former head of pharmacyse Days and ACTMP.
Of course, it's I don't subscribe to that old argument,
the old argument that you know, we don't pull. Therefore,
the whole idea behind it was that we play our part,
we are seen to do our part. And the most
relevant argument I've heard this morning is the trade connection,
because a lot of people write it into FDA's and

(33:13):
so it's carbon miles and all that sort of stuff.
But ultimately, if it doesn't work, which it isn't, and
it never was going to. Then you've got to ask
the question eventually, don't you If it's not working and
we're not doing what it's set out to do, what's
the point.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That's the point. But at the same time, if you
pull out and then at the European say, oh well,
we're not going to take any of your milkle meat
to me.

Speaker 13 (33:32):
Said that America is pulling out bad knock in Britain
when she gets to be Prime minister, which she will
or that party will one day.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
They're pulling out.

Speaker 13 (33:39):
So there's a move on. So I see more simply
reading the room. So well, talk to hohog out about
that and the tourism numbers this morning as well. And
a wine by the way, got some very good news
on one and a blow. The best story actually is
the bloke who's won a competition to design Liam Lawson's
helmet and has won it.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Lawson picked the winner.

Speaker 13 (33:56):
He's won it, prize trip to Singapore to hand it
to him on the head of the F one Grand Prix.
How good.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So that's great, awesome Grand Prix at night, Lovely Town,
have a great show, Mike, Thank you so much for
the producer. Kenzie I'm Andrew Dick and see you again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
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