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September 4, 2025 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast 2025, criminals with New Zealand residency could now face deportation for up to 20 years after arriving, immigration lawyer Simon Laurent shares his thoughts. 

The All Blacks will be taking on the Springboks at Eden Park this Saturday, Eden Park CEO Nick Sautner tells Andrew what they're doing to prepare for the big match. 

Truck drivers say they’re being pushed to speed, skip breaks, and bend the law just to keep freight moving, Workers First Union organiser Lance Gush tells Andrew the impact it's having on drivers. 

UK/Europe Correspondent Vincent McAviney has the latest on a Portuguese funicular crash and the possible digital ID scheme to combat illegal migration. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
earlier this show with One Root Love where you Live
News Talks, it'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Wanting to you. Welcome to the end of the week.
Thank you for joining us. Coming up in the next
sixty minutes for the trucks on the road right now,
apparently a lot of you are driving exhausted because of
employer pressure. We'll have that story for you in five.
Fortress Eden Park is under threat as the Springbox come
to town. We're going to talk to the CEO next
outner in ten minutes time. It may have escaped your attention,

(00:32):
but we have a by election this weekend and my
thoughts on that and the new deportation laws are they needed?
Will they work that story? Just before six plus Vincent
Macavenni from Europe and correspondence from right around New Zealand
and you can have your say to on the text.
The number is ninety two ninety two. Small charge applies.
It's seven after five.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's Friday, the fifth of September. About thirty countries joined
virtually and in person for the Coalition of the Willing Meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I am thankful to all of them for their ideas
for their readiness to help Ukraine on our way to peace.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
LED's Zelanski. Trump spoke over the phone to Wistern allies
after the meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
What they have apparently come up with so far is
a commitment from twenty six of those countries to provide
some sort of truth deployment as part of those security guarantees.
Mister Macron insisted that the US was on board. He
said there will be details of the US position in
the days to come.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
To Europe we go. At least sixteen are dead and
twenty others injured in a funicular crash in Lisbon. Portugal's
Prime minister describes it as one of the biggest tragedies
in the capital's recent history.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
The way that the streetcar works is that there are
too so there's one that goes up and one that
comes down at the same time the one that was
coming down with the one which suddenly seemed to come
off the cable and collapse. Mercifully, it did not crash
and collide into the one which is down here, which
already had people inside this and before the death toll
could have been even higher had that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And many new Zealanders have been on that particular my
son was on it two years ago. And finally to
the United States, where Health Secretary RFK Junior is appearing
before a fiery Senate committee. Kennedy says he believes the
COVID pandemic was politicized in the States.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, he's over the country, mister Secretary.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Scientists and doctors are saying otherwise. They're all wrong too,
They're all lying. According to you, a scientist.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Doctors are supporting me over the country. I will tell
you what, Senator got.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
I will put my mail bag against your mail bag.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Got day thirty the first word on the News of
the Day early edition with Andrew Dickens and One Route
Love where you Live news talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Be RFK Junior's vocal fry is amazing. Anyway, I'm going
skiing next week. My mum was a ski instructor in
Austria back in the fifties. I was put on skis
when I was three. It's in my DNA. I have
to do it. Thirty years ago, mum bought a timeshare
in Wuannica. She bought it late in September so if
she couldn't ski, which happened often because there was no snow,

(03:11):
she could go to the Alexandra Blossom Festival. So anyway,
me and my family go every year. And here is
something I've noticed over the past decade. This snow arrives later.
It's been a poor season this year, but the last
week is seeing the snow come in right over the
whole country, much to the operators of Mount Rupe, who's relief.
To me, anecdotally, after a lifetime of living in this weather,

(03:35):
it seems to me like winter arrives later and summer
lasts longer. And you could say that's a sign of
climate change. Now, I don't care whose fault it is.
It just is this snow comes in later, and I
guess with the longest summers as well. It's something we
all have to get to grips with. And I don't
care if you don't think it's happening, but sucks for you,

(03:56):
your insurance company does. So we should all live our
life accordingly. Realize that there is a penalty to be
paid if you buy a place by the sea, or
you purchase in a flood zone and in summer you
need to close your north windows and draw the curtains
and open the doors to the south because the climate,
whether you like it or not, is changing.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Andrew Dickens, By the.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Way, I booked this break last year for one reason
and one reason only. So Ho Basin has opened at
Cardrona and I can't wait to explore one hundred and
fifty hectares a brand new territory. It's going to be
fabulous now. Apparently our truck drivers and welcome to the program.
I know you're on the road, and I know you're listic.
This is a story all about you. Apparently our truck
drivers are being pushed to their limits, and we'll have

(04:38):
that story for you next. It is now eleven minutes
after five.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Get ahead of the Headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and one roof Love where you live News talks
that'd be.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You want to say, you can text me ninety two
ninety two, And thank you to the text who pointed
out my first mistake of the morning. Apparently I just
said me and my family, and the text to points
out it is my family, and yes, I know, but
you know what I'm talking about. Thirteen minutes out to five,
Exhausted truck drivers say they're being pushed to speed, skip
brakes and bend the law just to keep the freight

(05:11):
moving in this great country of ours. Unions warn the
cutthroat industry of slashing safety and putting everybody on the
road at risk. So Lance Gush is from the Workers
First Union, he's an organizer, joins you this morning, Good
morning to your Lance. Good morning Andrew, how are you good?
How did you find out that the conditions are this bad?

Speaker 8 (05:32):
Our role is to advocate and support represent drivers and
working in amongst them and getting a feel for the industry.
There's a lot of pressure put on them to deliver
on time and full but certainly unacceptable time limits.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay, well, why are these conditions so bad?

Speaker 8 (05:55):
The system set up to give all the power to
the large companies that pain these freight companies to move
their goods, and effectively they're in control. Freight companies are
undercutting each other to get the contracts because we'll live
in a small country and it's super competitive. We've had
examples of companies that have had to hit drop just

(06:19):
to maintain and keep the contracts. They've had to drop
three vehicles out of a ninety vehicle fleet.

Speaker 9 (06:25):
Expect with the.

Speaker 8 (06:26):
Expectations to provide the same service and deliver the same
amount of products.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well, if the margins are so tight for the freighters,
they can't really afford to have more drivers, which will
be the answer to the problem. So what is there
an answer?

Speaker 8 (06:39):
Save Freights is a campaign that's global and what it.

Speaker 9 (06:44):
Does is it effectively sets.

Speaker 8 (06:46):
A bottom line or a floor that they are unable
to go below. It's mandated by the government and produce
quarterly and effectively. It says that this is the fixed
strate of providing these seven and that way it gives
a level playing field for the companies that are tendering
for these agreements.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So they have to change their conditions voluntarily.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
This system will.

Speaker 8 (07:12):
Mean that the government mandates it and regulates it, and
that way, the larger businesses that are providing this or
that are driving this are unable to be offered anything
less than the floor.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Are people still wanting to become truckies or is there
a shortage?

Speaker 8 (07:34):
Look, we were experiencing a shortage. You know, I live
in Aucklands. Everyone here knows that there's seems to be
a lot more heavy vehicles on the road. So but
I think the model is changing. From what we can see,
it seems like businesses are moving away from having permanent
employees and moving more towards either the owner driver models

(07:58):
or the use of contractors to try and mitigate losses.
Is really what they comes down to.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Sounds like you're on the road right now, are you.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
I'm literally on my way to catch up with seventy
of my drivers I represent. We're heading into bargaining and
just wanting to get a feel for, well, what a
fair and reasonable pay increase would look like for them.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
This one all right?

Speaker 7 (08:18):
All right?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, give them, give them my best and thank you
so much for keeping all the goods on the roads
and keeping the economy moving. And I thank you for
your time. That is Lance Gush, the Workers First Union organizer.
It is seventeen minutes after five. And this isn't a
story about trucks. It's about tractors. John Deere, the US icon,
the tractor maker, is having hard time. Sales are down
and they're suffering because of the higher metal tariffs they reckon.

(08:41):
That's going to cost the tractor market six hundred million bucks. Meanwhile,
American farmers are facing dwriddling overseas demand for their crops.
So it's a double whammy really, and so the market
for new tractors has withered. On the vine. Farmers are
buying secondhand, but only if they have to. Oh, there's
a big game this weekend dam Park Fortress Eden Park,

(09:02):
where we haven't been defeated since nineteen ninety four to
fifty games. The CEO must be nervous. Necks out numbers.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Next on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition
with Andrew Dickens and one roofe Love where you Live
News Talk said been.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Nineteen past five. The Texas ninety two ninety two Mel
has written and says sounds more like the desk jockeys
that do not do the actual driving are driving the
rules and they would have no idea about driver safety.
Thank you for your feedback.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh, so are calling it the biggest match in rugby
since the twenty three World Cup Final. I degree the
All Backs will be taking on the spring box at
Eden Park and it's happening this Saturday. The All Backs
have been undefeated there for fifty straight test Fortress Eden Park.
Last time they lost was back in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Is do you have the busiers quietest moment a series
win over in New Zealand Price twenty three New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That was the very first game of All Banks RUGBA
ever went to and we lost from the try from
the end of the world next sortons The CEO of
Eden Parknick Gooday.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
Good morning Andrew, and thanks for your taling.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Nervous a little bit the staff.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Obviously, we've got a full time and casual workforce of
over three thousand that are putting together this weekend's event
and things important. We acknowledge that effort from the volunteers
to the train drivers, they all contribute to the on
field performance, but also ensuring that fortress continues.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh yeah, absolutely, there's a team of five million behind
this team mate. To be fair, but you still haven't
seen whether you're nervous or not.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
I am it certainly is the CEO. I don't want
the record to be broken and the All Blacks are
great for business. Events like the test on the weekend
highlight the benefits and major events to the city in
the country and we want that record to continue. And
unconfident will.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
The brand if they do lose? And have you have
you got a campaign ready after the unthinkable?

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Well we do feedure the Fortress signed throughout and when
teams come to play at Eden Park they play the
All Blacks or the Black Ferns, but they also played
in Park. And I'm sure there's something special about our
venue as you know, and memories are created and lifelong
stories are told, and.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Is the attention. It's a setout that's huge. I mean
the attention is enormous. There are parties and kingson happening
as well, and this is all reinstating the fact that
this is our national.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Stadium, that's correct. I was with a business yesterday. They
took a two hundred person booking for Saturday. Gates open
for corporates at a four pm with public at five pm.
We want people to arrive early. We want to be
part of that atmosphere. There's a huge range of food
and beverage offers at the venue and we want to
ensure that the street to the Seed experience is what

(11:58):
people expect.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
We had some news yesterday the Blues are going to
call Eden Park home for twenty six twenty seven after
flirting with Mount Smart. Now that would have been a
worrying development for you because that's your anchor client.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
The Blues are critical to our business model and rugby.
It has been an important phase for us. We are
looking at how we can assist the Blues in their
thirtieth year to change the experience for our fans and
that was important conversation for us. But secure six games
over the next two years was a great outcome for

(12:30):
our national stadium.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, good on you and good luck and of course
you've got some big events coming Metallica can't wait for
that and of course the Edinburgh Military tat too. But
here's a question for you. Could split in sell out
Eden Park?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
I think they could. I think particularly with the shortage
of content over the next music content over the next
or six to twelve months, people are looking for that escapism.
We also have hot Wheels, Monster trucks and International Rugby League.
But that diversity and one off content that memories of
something that we're focused on.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Will split ends set out Eden Park. Could that happen?

Speaker 7 (13:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Are you not allowed to tell me? Are you?

Speaker 7 (13:08):
That's for the promoted to consider, And what I would
suggest is since we've got our consequencent, we've had sellouts
from each year and through to Coldplay, Coldplay through the
Pink and pink through the Metallica.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah all great. Next, Saughtner, have a great weekend. I
know you worked very hard over that weekend and your
whole team. Thank you so much for making a good
venue even greater on these big days as well. And
speaking about splitte Ends, because of course that was the
big news this week. Split Ends are back together a
game playing electric avenue in christ Church. A bit of
news out from Neil Finn because the Singapore Grand Prix

(13:41):
coming up in October. October third and fifth and Crowded
House will be playing at the Singapore Grand Prix along
with Elton John, the Smashing Pumpkins and the Food Fighters,
which shows you just how big mister Finn is. Yes,
it's five twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
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Talks IVY, News Talks HEB. It is now five twenty six.
I'm Andrew Dickens. It's been a remarkable week in the
Malori world, so I thought i'd give a few of
my own opinions. And seeing as I am a sixty
year old white guy, so I'm going to consider my
comments inherently racist and no matter what I say, but
I am allowed my opinion, just as you're allowed. Yours
opinions are like bums. We all have one, so I

(14:23):
fight it. So firstly, from to al Maori the coming
out of the Maori Queen this week. One thing is
for sure, Mary do this customary and ceremonial stuff. Well,
the attendees are seeing history. A young queen is about
to take leadership. It's pretty amazing. But I'm always amazed
at this one years silence thing which happens after the
death of your predecessor. Sure, okay, I get it to

(14:44):
your paying respects. You're getting the lay of the land,
you're forming your ideas for your brain. You're paying respect
to two the guy who came before you. But come on,
a year. Seems to me that the year's silence gives
the kirk courtiers more power over the affair of the
Maori state. And when the cats are away, the mice
will play. But that's just my opinion. Now to the

(15:05):
Tamakimikodo by election. I couldn't believe how many voters got
the city council elections and the by election confused. One
person on Telly wondered if Ornikipra was running for mayor
and you wonder then why we get such strange governments
and councils because people are not involved, they're not into it,
and the candidates ran chaotic campaigns or any Kuiper had

(15:27):
a shocker. She claimed her party, who have not been
in government since twenty seventeen, had repealed laws. No, they
did not, even when they were back as a support
partner back in twenty seventeen. They were a support partner
and not able to repeal laws, So what was that about.
Then she had to grab her phone to check policy
while Jack Tame looked on quizzically. Then she said her

(15:47):
Labor opponent should be the Prime Minister of New Zealand,
which I mean, how did Rawi and Debbie feel about that?
She's backing the guy from the other side. I understand
Orini's appeal. She's young, and she's smart. She was a
respected journalist, and she's got the Maori party sartorial style,
fine alternative statement clothes. You know that this party always
looks like they've been styled by Zambezi. But it's not

(16:11):
what you look like or what you're seeing, it's what
you say. And she seems underdone and will get better
with more time. It's too soon for her. Then there's
Penny Henale, a product of Mali's hierarchical society where a
lot of weight is given to your family, your fucka
pappa and your journey. And he's always been mentioned as
a future prime minister. It seems like it's owed and

(16:33):
not to be earned. And you know, if he loses
this one, it's over as a prime minister, Penne, because
you can't be prime minister if you can't win your
seat twice. And he also had a shock of going
against the gang patch law and he had to be
corrected by Chippy. Also, I didn't need to see him
working out with David Littelly, the butterbean. You know, I
want to know what he thinks, not how he sweats.

(16:53):
So you know, I don't think I could vote for
either of the candidates, but I can't. I'm not allowed to.
You know about though. That seems to be how the
electric feels with indications of a terrible turnout this weekend,
and that really breaks my heart. That is a bad
thing to Mary and the tammacky Makoto by election. If
you respect the treaty, if you have been chosen to

(17:16):
be on a Maori roll, then you owe your people
to use that privilege of the vote, or could I
call it a right sickens? Five nine Kate Mandousikos David
kirk Is on with Mike Hosking after six more on
this to come, orso Vincent Macavenny from Europe and a

(17:37):
whole heit more weird.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
Next, whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Views and views you trust to start your day, it's
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Speaker 9 (17:54):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Mister game good oneing to it's Friday, you made it.
I Drew Dickinson forblin Bridge. He's back on Monday. So
with the All Backs stucking all the oxygen right now,
it's easy to forget that there is another big game

(18:18):
this weekend. In fact, there are two big games. Tonight
the All Whites play Australia and Camera and then on
Tuesday the teams are in New Zealand to do it
all over again. And it's been a long while since
we played the Cousins from Across the Ditch and it's
much needed. Since Australia left the Oceania Confederation for Asia,
we've been denied regular high level football against these guys
and it should be as big as any particular cup match.

(18:40):
It's our best team. It includes Chris Wood who's with
the All Whites, which is probably why Nottingham Forest lost
to west Ham this week. Newcomer Luke brook Smith is
enjoying being with the team. He's just seventeen years old
and he says the atmosphere around the All Whites is
amazing and everyone's asking how you are and what you
need and he reckons whired. The team has been playing
so well in recent year and he's obviously starstruck to

(19:02):
be playing with his heroes. It's going to be great
and this is a good team. We're building a special
unit and we're off to the World Cup and you
have to say with Orcann FC and the Phoenix at
the game of association football is some very good stead
again and by the way, the second match, there's a
Shield challenge again this weekend as the Mighty Southern Stags

(19:22):
play Category in their first defense since winning the Shield
last weekend. They're hoping not to join the ranks of
one week holders but to illustrate the power of the Shield.
Apparently there's been a run on Southend merch. You can't
buy a Southern Stags Jersey and Southend. Apparently there's one
kid size and one triple x L in a store
in Gore. I can tell you how big this is.

(19:43):
Andy Muir from the Muster has texted me broadcast out
of Hocknue and he says, if you're in South End,
the All Backs game becomes secondary to a shield defense tomorrow.
It's the middle of a Rugby World Cup cycle, but
defending the Ranforthy Shield as a fan can be a
lifetime dream. Plus, who wants Canterbury to win this seal?

(20:05):
Get a and the twenty one to six Andrew Dickens
around the country. We go in two otago Callen Procter
us Stags fan this weekend?

Speaker 10 (20:14):
Mate, Oh yeah, we all are here. That's right there,
our Highlanders neighbors. So go to the Stags big time.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm going to read this sentence out because it's bizarre.
A Dunedin tavern has been banned from pouring paints for
two days after running giveaways involving a ham and a lawnmower.

Speaker 10 (20:30):
Yep, that's correct, you can't do that, Andrew. So the
beer has switched off at the Kensington Sports Bar and Tavern.
I've been issued this liquor license suspension by the Alcohol
Regulatory and Licensing Authority following an application by police. Police
alleged that the tavern irresponsibly promoted the sale of alcohol
in these two separate social media posts offering prizes. One

(20:54):
promoted the chance to win a six hundred dollars lawnmower
and a premium ham with the purchase of elect alcoholic
products and that's not allowed. So in a post on
social media, the pub says alcohol sales will be suspended
all of today and all of tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
A ham and a lawnmar anyway, how's your weather?

Speaker 10 (21:15):
Shalls develop here heavy at times this afternoon, strong norwester
and eighteen the hype.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Claire Sherwood joins usrom christ Church. Telli Claire, Good morning,
warnings about meningitis.

Speaker 11 (21:24):
Yeah, well, people being told not to second yes, any
symptoms of meningococcal disease. This is after a teenager from
Shirley Boys High School here in christ Church was taken
to hospital on Tuesday after contracting the illness. What makes
us a little bit more complex is that he had
been at a rugby tournament in Duneden between August twenty
four and twenty eight, before going back to christ Church

(21:46):
to school. The Meningitis Foundation chair Gerard Rushton's warning parents
to check on children as there is a risk that
the disease has spread. He says meningitis can kill within
twenty four hours and the symptoms are very similar to flu,
which we have a lot of in the community right now,
so treatment to often comes too late.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
How do you wither?

Speaker 11 (22:05):
Heaps of lightning about this morning, Andrew, but otherwise at
partly cloudy and a few spots of rain a bit later,
strong northwesterlies and a hive eighteen.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well we're your gun boots. That's saved a guy the
other day who was out farming. Now to Wellington we
go next toll. Good morning and you're here to read
the final rights for the city to see bridge.

Speaker 12 (22:22):
Well, that's exactly right. That's the end of the week.
How we started talking about. This is a giant timber
and concrete city to sea bridge that connects the harbor
and the city. Confirmed last night this Wellington Civic Trust,
which has been fighting planned demolition, is not going to
appeal a court decision allowing demolition to go ahead. And look,
the city council seems pretty ready to go on this one.

(22:43):
Pre work for demolition might even start today. They want
to get this done asap, and that's something a lot
of Merril candidates like Andrew Little for instance, have talked about.
Let's hold on a few months, see if there's a
better solution. We've got an election coming up in a
month's time. Why such a rush? Can we do this
thing for cheaper than the year one hundred million dollar
price that's been quoted. Regardless, it will be sad to

(23:05):
lose some character from the waterfront, but that now seems
the outcome. All right, how's your weather overcast and drizzly
with very strong gale northeries today fourteen the high and.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Let's go to Walkland. Need a ready man, A good
morning to you. Good morning. So if you wanted to
find out what your zone is when you're looking at
your property, now it's a lot easier to find.

Speaker 13 (23:23):
Yes, that's right. Aucklanders will be very happy about this
because those proposed zoning changes. The Auckland councils now linking
the maps from its homepage. This was being challenged to
do so by David Seymour on New Stork ZB. You know,
the Deputy PM told us that the maps they were
shamefully difficult to access. So the Council says, okay's striving
to be transparent. The draft maps will now be displayed

(23:46):
more prominently on the website and as you say, Andrew,
should be easy for you to have a look and see.
The Council's also saying, look the maps they're still being
updated to correct the errors or you know, just in
response to all the feedback from local boards in aweek,
So do you have it?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's a funder out when a skyscraper is coming to
a property near you. So how's the weather today?

Speaker 13 (24:05):
Mainly fine yay, apart from the odd shell from the afternoon.
But warm spring is here. Eighteen is a high I
thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It is now seventeen to six. Brian writes, Andrew, make
up your mind. First you tell us that l Any
Capita is a bit dumb and ran a poor campaign,
and then you contradicted that by telling us how respected
a journalist she is and how smart she is. Now
what I said was she's underdone, she's too young, she's
got stuff to learn. She could get good, but she
ain't good.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Now here's the thing. Catman Do is going to close
twenty one stores in a bit to turn around their fortunes.
Because this is another retail story, isn't it. They're looking
to make a minimum twenty five million dollars in cost saving,
so they've identified twenty one stores to close. They've got
a network globally of three hundred stores, so it's you know,
it's not the end of the road, but twenty one

(24:50):
stores are still big. What did they lose? The company struggled.
They had an interim loss of more than twenty million
dollars a March full year loss of nearly fifty million
dollar last year. It's not been good. The chair of
Catman Do is David Cook, and he's going to join
Mike Hosking after six o'clock this morning to talk about
the fortunes of catmand And I'm pretty sure he'll also

(25:11):
want to talk about the all Blacks New York's here
being Vincent mcavenny when from Europe is with us in
a few moments time, and there is a digital id
scheme to combat illegal migration. And speaking of migration deportation,
it has been doubled here in New Zealand. We'll talk
on that issue just before six.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
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Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's coming up thirteen minutes to six and off to
Europe we go. Vincent mcavenni, good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
So this funicular crash in Portugal in Lisbon. Many kiwis
know this because it's a huge tourist attraction. Even my
son has written on this. This was quite a shock.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, huge shock. Lisbon is now one of the number
one tourist cities in Europe. It's absolutely beautiful, but it
is very hilly and this funicular we understand that the
cable in the system underground snapped, leading to this ernicula
to go out of control, smashing into a building at
around this time yesterday. Sixteen people sadly were killed, and

(26:18):
we've just started getting details of their nationalities. Five Portuguese nationals,
two South Koreans, one Swiss, two Canadians, one German, one
American and one Ukrainian among the dead. A number of
others were injured as well, and it's left the city
in quite a shock because these funiculas aren't just popular
with tourists. They used day in, day out by Portuguese

(26:39):
people as well to get around.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yes, exactly, and it could have been worse. It could
have been worse if the balancing fanicular curve for the
other curve had actually got loose and chrished into it. It
could have been worsh Yeah, that's right, Okay, you have
a possible digital ID scheme to combat illegal migration coming in.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
This is really interesting. The last time Labor was in
government in at the end of their time in twenty ten,
they had tried to roll out a digital national ID
card scheme. The UK is pretty much out of step
with the rest of Europe who all have ID card systems,
but there's always been a really strong resistance to it
here on civil liberties ground. It's seen as being a
bit Germanic. But now Labor are back in France is saying, look,

(27:24):
if you want to reduce your migration, the small boats
coming across the channel, you've got to have this kind
of national ID because it stops people being able to
get jobs on the black market and also to access services.
They shouldn't be able to it or access to Terence
so Kirs Darman now trying to sort of float this
idea of a digital scheme, not compulsory, but one that
might help to stop this. But interestingly, those it seems

(27:45):
in our politics most against these small boats coming that
want to really crack down on all illegal migration and
some forms of legal migration, they also coming out against
it on civil liberty's grounds. So a bit of a
tricky situation.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Absolutely to make of any out of Europe. And I
thank you for your time today. It's eleven to six.
And the other big story is that Georgio Amani has
passed away, the fashion designer, the man who invented the
power suit. He was ninety one years of age. I
loved the clothes he made, and I love the way
he looked as well. He had this incredibly white hair
and this incredible brown permit tan. He just looked incredible.

(28:22):
Thank you for the clothes, Georgio. It is eleven to six.
Andrew dickens, Well, we're still on the migration and immigration
issues right now, right here in New Zealand, with Ericas
Stamford sending a clear message to immigrants obey the law
or you're gone criminals with New Zealand residents. He could
now face deportation for up to twenty years after arriving.

(28:42):
Now that has doubled the current limit. So well this
work or not. We're joined by Simon Laurent, who is
an immigration lawyer. Simon, good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Was this a needed change to our immigration law because
a lot of the critics have already said it seems
pretty vague.

Speaker 9 (28:58):
Yes, well, that was the first pression that I had
when I read this. I think it's necessary to see
what's the wording of the bill itself, which hasn't even
been introduced yet, to see what the mechanism is really
going to be and how.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Many migrants actually decide to commit crimes after living here
for over ten years, because surely they might have been
criminals before they came here.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
Well, that's a separate issue because other there are others
who have committed criminal offenses a long time ago, which
this bill seeks to sweep up. And the classic case
which I think has influenced this, as that of Carl Skrubik.
But in respect of those who might have committed offenses

(29:42):
a long time after they've arrived here and obtained residents,
as the Minister said yesterday, probably not very many. And
in fact, the other issue is that quite a lot
of those would probably have gone on to get citizenships,
so a change to the immigration rules is not going
to affect them.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yes, that thing, this is about residency. But there are
immigrants who come here. I'm one, I was born in
the UK. We come here and we get citizenship. Now
will they be effective? If someone's been living here for
ten years, why would they not just go out and
get the citizenship and then we can't touch them anyway?

Speaker 9 (30:13):
That's exactly it. And I mean there are people who
sat here as residents for twenty thirty forty years who
never gets citizenship. They don't need to never occurs to them.
They don't want to lose their birth citizenship. So there's
a few of those. How many of those commit serious
enough crimes? It's probably a very small number.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And do you think this is just politics because there's
so much talk about immigration. We just talked about it
with Vincent and mcaviniy, we've got the protests happening in
the UK and Australia. Is this a political response to
a mood?

Speaker 9 (30:48):
It's a response to a mood and an approach which
is sweeping through what we might call the liberal democracies
over the last couple of years in particular. And I
also thought of the way that Australia has been throwing
out the five o one deportees, and I sense that

(31:09):
this is all rather reactive.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I have to say, isn't the bad press for immigrants? Well,
it's unfortunate because they are so crucial for almost all
the country's economies.

Speaker 9 (31:21):
They're certainly crucial to New Zealand's economy, something that the
government must never forget.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, And on a separation, there's twenty thousand illegal overstayers
currently in this country. Do we need to do something
about that?

Speaker 9 (31:33):
Well, there's been twenty thousand illegals overstays as long as
I've been in business in this field, which is about
thirty years, so this is no surprise at all. It
fluctuates back and forth. It was about fourteen thousand prior
to COVID. Yes, of course something should be done. Suggestion
has been made about having an amnesty year that I'd

(31:56):
probably support that. However, the last time we had one
in two thousand and two, I think it was it
didn't actually make a huge difference to the ultimate numbers.
There's always a sort of a tranch of people who
who will just outstay their visas.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right, Simon, I thank you so much for your time.
Simon Laurence here is an immigration lawyer, Chaier of the
New Zealand Association of Migration and Investment. This is news
talk there, b It is seven to.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Six the news you need this morning and the in
depth analysis early edition with Drew Dickets and One Room
Love where you Live News Talks.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
That'd be Mike Coskin joins me. Now, so who's going
to win the big game? The all Whites sore Australia.

Speaker 14 (32:39):
I'd find it hard to believe that we could beat Australia. Really,
Oh well, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Or can they have seed did so? Well, we've got
Chris Wood.

Speaker 14 (32:46):
Yeah, but we've always had Chris Wood and we've as
far as I can work out, we've never beaten Australia.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, so the other big game?

Speaker 14 (32:51):
Technically, can I just career Andrew Wilderson, by the way,
who's saying that we the Warriors cannot be in the
top four, Now that's technically incorrect. If we be the
if we beat this is true, apparently, if we beat
the Seagulls, one hundred and fifty one nil were.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yes, and Andrew Webster holds a divining rod.

Speaker 14 (33:09):
Doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Okay, So the other big game is Stagg's Canterbury Ram
fairly shield.

Speaker 14 (33:13):
The Canterbary and see that's unfortunate because not only will
Canterbury win it, but the next era will begin. Cody Taylor,
by the way, speaking of Cantabrian's, he's on the program
this morning.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And we've got David Kirk. Got David Kirk he's a
useful rugby player, Yeah, he.

Speaker 14 (33:27):
Was, and he's probably used to more success via the
rugby field than he is currently with Catman Do because
they have he's the chair of cat Man Do if
you don't know, but Catman Do have got all sorts
of that. They've got a number of different brands and
Perl Katmandu have had trouble for years and years and
years and they've got to turn around program they say
is working that they feel good about. But twenty one stores,
they've got a lot of stores. Theyve got three hundred stores,

(33:48):
but I mean twenty one stores, a lot of stores
to look at closing.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
And you've got Judith Collins Live Year a War correspondent
from Poland.

Speaker 14 (33:55):
Very big, the big meeting overnight. No one seems to
be asking this question yet, is that Mac said there's
thirty five countries that have said will put boots on
the ground. Are we one of them? I mean we
were there, We're in the meeting. Are we one of them?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
What else would she be there with her handbag and
she'll be and no flak here.

Speaker 14 (34:11):
After after seven.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Thank you, Mike, have a great show. Thank you to
producer Kenzie. Thank you for having me. Ryan's back next week.
Have a great weekend.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
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