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June 5, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Friday 6th of June 2025, there's pressure on the Prime Minister to separate New Zealand's foreign policy from America's Former National Party Leader Don Brash shares his open letter with Ryan.

It's the Super Rugby quarter finals this weekend, rugby commentator Tony Johnson tells Ryan who he thinks the favourites will be. 

There's been a new study in the Medical Journal which has found more than half of vape juices have been labelled with the wrong concentration of nicotine, Co-founder of Vape Free Kids Charyl Robinson shares her thoughts on how harmful this can be. 

Plus, UK/ Europe Correspondent Vincent McAviney has the latest on Friedrich Merz meeting with Trump in the Oval office. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the inside. Ryan Bridge on
early edition with one roof make your property search simple,
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be good morning, Welcome to your Friday. Just gone
six after five. Don Brash and Halen Clark are doing
the full page newspaper. Adds again this morning, are we
too close to America? Tony Johnson on the Lucky Loser,
the new Super Rugby quarter final format. We'll get to
him shortly. New research out this morning on vape fluid
and it's if you've got a kid who vapes, it's

(00:32):
sort of the opposite of what you would expect. We'll
explain that shortly. Trump is talking to Mertz in the
White House. She on the phone and about Elon Musk.
We've got audio for you. Apparently Elon Musk has just
come out and said Trump would have lost the election
if it went for him. So thank you Elon Musk.
And Vincent mcavnie is in the UK for us this morning.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
It is Friday the sixth, the Joune. Trump signed a
travel band for citizens from twelve countries. We don't want them.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
In the twenty first century, we've seen one terror attack
after another carried out by foreign visa overstairs from dangerous
places all over the world, and thanks to Biden's open
door policies, today there are millions and millions of these
illegals who should not be in our country.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
The countries include Afghanistan, Iran, Saddan and Yemen. Meanwhile, Mertsis
is the German townsla He's been sitting down with Trump
them the Oval Office. We owe the Americans a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
We will never forget about that, and so with your
German provenance, I think this is a very good basis
for close cooperation between American and Germany. Will publicly with
a trade deal or or we'll do something. You know,
we'll do the tariffs. I mean, I'm okay with the tariffs,
or we make a deal with the trade.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Either way, Germany needs a lifeline. The ECB cut their
rates over nine. I'll get to that in a second.
Here in New Zealand, Tapati Maldi. The suspension saga only
over with the full punishment handed done last night, but
not before Samaji Budgie in the house.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
I'm glad the act party we're in summer data.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think that's the whole point.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
I'm doing a haka not to get out of your
seats and start going up to other members of the
House and try to intimidate them with your chiefer little finger.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and one roof Make
your Property Search Simple News.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Talk said Bee, how respectable. Not nice to hear. Welcome
to your Friday. First, we'll just play a little bit
from because we haven't heard from Donald Trump in a week.
He hasn't had a press conference, which is most unlike him.
Normally there are a daily occurrence. But he's met with
Mertz in the White House, and I was obviously asked
about Elon Musk and the bromance. And as the romance over,

(02:48):
here's what he had to say.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
He knew every aspect of this bill. He knew it
better than almost anybody, and he never had a problem
until right after he left. And if you saw the
statements you made about me, which I'm sure you can
get very so it's very fresh on tape, he said
the most beautiful things about me, and he hasn't said
bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next.
But I'm very disappointed in Elin.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I've helped Ilan a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So Elin must just tweet it apparently, whatever to Trump's comments,
it doesn't really matter it does it. It's just interesting
because they're both really rich and really powerful, and this
was always going to happen. Just gone nine minutes after five,
So Japan has recorded its lowest number of births in
more than a century. They've had problems with population for
a long time now, been well documented. But Berth's six

(03:35):
hundred and eighty six twenty twenty four. That's a five
point seven percent drop on the previous year, the lowest
since they started keeping records in eighteen ninety nine. So
the problem is not going away, and they've been trying
to boost the population, encouraging families to have children. They
have fewer marriages, which is obviously a problem, but the

(03:57):
biggest problem is just it cost too much. The fatilla
he rate one point one five that's down from one
point two in twenty twenty three, and the number that
they need to replace themselves is two point one, so
they're way off it. Fewer marriages. I was talking to
Paul Spoonley the other day, and you know, the population

(04:17):
expert in New Zealand. He said, there are more this
is in New Zealand. More women over forty now giving
birth than women under twenty. Isn't that fascinating how quickly
that has turned around. He also said that thirty percent
of women are choosing not to have children at all,
like they will never be mothers, which has gone up

(04:37):
dramatically over the years. The main reason is it's more expensive.
Friend of mine has got two kids, and I was
talking to her at the weekend about this and she said,
a third What did she say, baby number three or
the third child is the new Burken, you know those
expensive handbags that that wealthy people buy. The third baby

(04:58):
is the new Berken because they're just so damn expensive.
I'm assuming that's why no one is having them anymore.
Eleven minutes after five news talks there b we're going
to get to I've got some Adrian Rudafi clips to
play from Parliament because he was the most sensible one.
We'll get to those this morning. But coming up next
it's that new research on the vape juice. If you've

(05:20):
got kids who vape, you'll want to hear what's in it.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan
Bridge and One Roof Make your Property Search simple News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Five point thirteen on News Talks THEB we'll never keep
up with the NATO allies when it comes to spending
on defense. They are apparently close to agreeing. This is
according to Pete Higgseth, the Defense sectree in the US
close to agreeing to five percent of GDP in the
next decade on defense. We just got to two. So
we're always going to be playing catch up, aren't we.

(05:54):
Not that we're a member of NATO, we're just a
partner in the in this region. But geez, we were
already behind, and we're about to be much more behind
than we were before. Fourteen after five. So you studied
in the medical journals found more than half of vape
juices have been labeled with the wrong concentration of nicotine,
but not in the way that you would think. It's
with less nicotine than advertised, not more. They reckon this

(06:18):
is a bad thing because it could mean that vapors
vape more often or even revert to smoking. Cheryl Robinson
is co founder of Vape Free Kids with Me this morning.
Hey Cheryl, good morning, Ryan. Good to have you on
the show. I thought this was surprising because you would
think that they would load it with more nicotine so
that you are more addicted.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Well, I think they've probably got a lot of money
to find out what works better to addict people. It's
no surprise or no secret that we don't trust a
lot of what this industry get up to. But it's
very worrying to think that.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
There are regularities on the labeling of their products and
what is actually cont painting them, whether that's nicotine level
or other chemicals that aren't stated, it's it's it's worrying.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Do you think they're doing it on purpose? Do you
think that they're purposely undercooking what the nicotine level is
so that people will do it more often, therefore buy
more product and also you know, get more addicted.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Well, I'm no expert on how the intricacies of how
nicotine levels impact a person's addiction level, but what I
have learned over the last few years that this industry
don't do anything by accident. Everything they do is very intentional.
And you know, we've we've we're neutral when it comes

(07:44):
to adults of aaping, and it's it's hard. If this
has been touted as a quit smoking tool, it makes
it a bit difficult for those who are using it
as such to be able to monitor the take their
nicotine intake and use it effectively as a quick smoking
toll if they can't be confident there what it sees

(08:06):
on the package is what they're actually getting. It's quite
a precise, a precise thing to try and do to
monitor your intake to give up an addiction. And even
more worryingly for us as children are, our main concern
here is there is no funded support for quitting vaping

(08:29):
for use, and so there's families out there going it alone.
And that's hard enough without not being able to have
confidence on how much NICOTINEA is in the product that
you're using to try and wean your child off.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, because normally you kind of need to know what
your dose is before you can start to tape your
way off it. And if you don't know what your
doses and that becomes very difficult. Cheryl, I appreciate your
time this morning. Thanks for coming on the show. Cheryl Robinson,
co founder of Vape Free Kids. It is seventeen after five,
you're on News Talk to be We'll get to Tieanie
Johnson next on Super Rugby the new format quarter Finals

(09:04):
this weekend on.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with Ryan
Bridge and One Roof to make your property search simple.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
If you talk said be, it's a Vincent Mcaviniy are
UK europe correspondent after the News at five point thirty,
just gone nineteen after Now the European Central Bank and
we will touch on this with Vincent. The ECB has
cut interest rates. This is the eighth time that they've
done it in a year. They've cut their rates to
two percent. The problem is growth. It's partly to do
with the Trump's trade war. But France, Germany and Italy

(09:38):
are all week. Germany is your big boy in Europe,
the biggest economy and only G seven economy that didn't
grow over the last two years. Germany insolvencies. They are
expected to increase eleven percent this year. They had numbers
out this week. So the ECB rate now half that
of the UK and half that of the more than

(10:00):
half that of the US. Trying to give it a
bit of a tickle up, really the Eurozone because they
could use it and they're worried about what's happening with Trump.
Mertz has been obviously trying to do his part in
a meeting with Trump at the Oval Office this morning,
just gone twenty alf to five Ran. Yeah, it's the
Super Rugby quarter finals this weekend, starting with the Crusaders

(10:20):
and Reds. Tonight the Hurricanes are in Canberra taking on
the Brumbies and then we have a repeat of the
nail Biden match last year from the Blues and the
Chiefs on Saturday. Rugby commentator Tony Johnson with me this morning.
Hey Tony, morning, Ryan. Good to have you on the
show as always. First of all, the you know this
lucky loser, the new format. Why are we doing this?

Speaker 8 (10:41):
Well, yeah, it's not really quarterfinals this year they called
qualifying finals. They had to cut it back. They couldn't
have eighteens in last year because eight, remember we've only
got eleven teams this year, that would have been ridiculous,
so they've gone for six. I don't think they've got
it quite right, but it's probably better to have six
and you have a lucky loser, which means the highest
ranked of the team's beaten this weekend gets to fight again.

(11:05):
And of course if that's the Chiefs that qualifiers, they'd
still get a home semi final next week. So look,
as I say, I don't think it's a flawless way
of doing it, but it's a step in the right direction.
I'm sure they'll probably refine it for next year.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
All right, who are your favorites this weekend? Tony?

Speaker 8 (11:21):
Okay? Well, first of all, the two New Zealand teams
playing at home. Chiefs they play the Blues. Now it's
a rerun of last year's final in which the Blues
absolutely crushed the Chiefs, so they'll be up for revenge.
They are in a better place to do it this
year probably. Blues have struggled a bit, but they played
their best game of the season last year against last

(11:42):
week against the Warritas. Chiefs all the way through have
looked the team to beat. So that's tomorrow night in Hamilton,
a big one tonight. Crusaders they take on the Reds.
The problem with the Reds is that they've got the
way to history against them. Nineteen times Australian teams have
come to New Zealand over the thirty years of Super Rugby.

(12:05):
They've played nineteen playoff games in New Zealand and haven't
won one of them. And the Crusaders get Will Jordan
Fletcher new All back for that one. And then there's
the game between the Brumbies and the Hurricanes, and that's
the tough one. The Hurricans have to try and win
in Canberra, where the Brumbies don't lose many unfortunately for them.

(12:27):
After last week a very controversial game, the Brumbies were
beaten by the Crusaders, a refereeing decision that's got everyone
up at arms, and so the crowd, which can be
pretty fair at times, they're going to be riding all
over the referee from start to finish. And of course
the Hurricans, they have been an outstanding form. I think
they are a chance to win it, but it won't

(12:48):
be easy. So I think three pretty juicy looking games
we've got lined up this weekend.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, not a bad way to go. Not a bad
weekend the head and who do you think is going
to take out the whole competition? Can you make a
call yet? The Chiefs? You said the Chiefs are looking
pretty to have been all season.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
Yeah, I'd still have them as slight favorites. But the
thing about this Super rugby this year, Ryan has just
been so unpredictable. Teams have really found it difficult to
win more than three or four games in a row,
and there've been a lot of upsets, and so I
don't think you can put anything down for certain. I
wouldn't be telling anyone to put any money anywhere at

(13:22):
the moment because there's always room for an upset. But
I still I do think the Chiefs, particularly if they
can maintain home advantage, then I think they are definitely
the team to beat, and I'd probably favor a Chiefs
Crusader's Final, but you know that depends on the Hurricanes
because they have been an outstanding form. They've been so

(13:42):
good to watch. They've been playing a dynamic brand of rugby.
If they can upset that the Brundies tomorrow night, then
that carries that on there. Any trouble is is that
the way the thing's been done with Thug If that's
the lucky loser game, you'll get to that game and
it won't matter who wins or who loses, which is
a bit of a shame, as I say, I think
they've got that wrong. But now I'm still at the

(14:04):
stage leaning towards the Chief Crusader's Final. Chief slight favorites,
but I think anything can happen from this point and
that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Tony, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks as always, Tony Johnson,
Rugby commentator. It is twenty four minutes after five. Ye're
on News Talks VB. Don Brash on the show just
before six this morning, and you might be thinking, why
Don Brack. He has co signed a letter. You know,
every now and then him and Halen Clark will come
together and sign a letter and put it in the newspaper.

(14:31):
They've done that again. And this is about, you know,
we're getting too close to America at the expense of
our relationship with China, our trading relationship with China. So
he's on the show just before six this morning to
explain why.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
The early edition full the show podcast on iHeartRadio power
by News Talks IBB.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Five twenty seven News Talks VB. Well, that was as
chaotic as you would expect. I caught the first half
of Parliament's debate on hucker Gate yesterday afternoon. Winston Peters
went full attack dog, Willie Jackson fought back White had
he brought a noose into the chamber as a prop
and Adrian Udhafi, the former speaker Labor MP. He had

(15:13):
the most sensible and respectable take of the debate. I thought.
I've had the pleasure of meeting interviewing him a couple
of times over the years. He's a really humble guy, quiet,
quite observant. He'll just sit back and watch and you know,
quick to a smile. Loves a good argument. Not that
you could hear that in the house yesterday, loads of interjecting,

(15:34):
lots of noise, and Adrian gets respect because he shushed,
and I like it when people do this. He shushed
his own side, his own colleagues, as much as he
did the Treasury benches when he was speaking. And he
made two decent points. First, the Privileges Committee is meant
to be bipartisan. The fact that this punishment was was

(15:55):
handed out and it was so severe, he's kind of
a moot point. It's the fact that it wasn't a
bipartisan decision because now it's open season for governments of
any persuasion to weaponize the punishments, potentially weaponize the punishments
in future against their political opponents. As he points out,

(16:16):
this was the government punishing MPs, not the Parliament, which
it ought to be and heroinized the problem with parliament
as a whole these days, there's no agreed standard of
behavior that's universal to all MPs. Getting physically up in
somebody's grill is considered okay by some. Now the House
is meant to be about what comes out of your mouth,

(16:38):
not how close to another MP it is. Number two
Dudafi scolded the Marti Party for not apologizing for their
bad behavior. He spoke of his cousin, Dame Tadi Annatutia.
She never skipped a vote, worked hard for her people
and spoke on every bill before the House. The question
really is whether Tapatimarti actually wants to be in Parliament

(16:58):
or whether they want a separate one, which they state
they do on their website, and that begs the question
why are they there in the first place. All in all,
aside from Adrian's wise words, there's a few hours wasted
that the House won't get back.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Ryan Bridge twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
After five News Talks MB. Lots of text on this,
as you can imagine, we'll get to some of them
after this, plus our reporters and Vincent mcavannie in the
UK News Talks MB.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
News and views you trust to start your day. It's
early edition with Ryan Bridge and One Room, Make Your
Property Surge, Simple new talksb.

Speaker 9 (17:50):
So much to be around, truly pour away from Welcome
to your Friday morning.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
On Newstok SIB with the best news reader in the
country neither Ready Manu, who was honored last night at
the Radio Awards. She's going to be with us in
just a second. She actually got two awards last night,
so we'll talk to her about that, plus our rap
with our reporters. Ryan, I like what Adrian rud Affi said.
This is at the debate of Parliament yesterday over the

(18:22):
Privileges Committee, but also what Karen Shaw had to say
about these suspended members. That's from Terry Ryan. I agree
with your comments about Adrian rud Afi. This is the
former speaker. Also, Arena Williams from Labor made quite a
respectful and elegant speech, says another. Here's a little bit
of what, by the way, Adrian had to say. He
basically said to the two Party Maltor, you should apologize

(18:45):
for what you've done.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
I also implore to Party Mary to actually think about
what the honorable Willie Jackson has suggested. It's not for
me to tell colleagues to apologize, but, as he said,
it might go a long way. I'm going to say
this because I knew her better probably than anyone in

(19:10):
this house. Tuddy on Atudia would never have agreed to that.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Their cousins too. He also called them out for not
showing up.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
You have the opportunity to change it. You can't change
it from not turning up for a vote in the House.
That ain't going to change anything.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Twenty two to six. Steve says Ryan, the racist Marty
seats should be abolished altogether. If they don't want to
be there, they don't want to be there. Let's get
to our reporters to start with Emily Ansel, who's got
a Dunedin uplate for us this morning. Emily, good morning morning. Now,
this Southern woman whose company was involved in the government's
school lunch program. What's happening here?

Speaker 10 (19:50):
Yeah, So she's been sentenced to home detention on tax charges.
This is Deborah le Monteeth. She's faced a single representative
charge of aiding and a betting her company in failing
to account for paye between March twenty twenty one and
February twenty twenty four. The amount of this period total
to more than eight hundred thousand dollars, She told Inland Revenue.

(20:13):
The paye was used to keep her company Lee nineteen afloat.
The company was primarily involved in food catering, including the
Ministry of Education's school lunch program, and it was placed
into liquidation last year. Monteth was sentenced to eleven months
home detention in Invercargo earlier this week.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
How's the weather very cold this morning.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
Occasional showers possibly heavy in the morning, Snow flurries possible
about the hills with a high of just seven degrees.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
All right, thank you very much. Let's go to our
christ Church update.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Michael's circle joins me. Michael, good morning. Now the water cremation,
what is it and where can I get it?

Speaker 11 (20:54):
Well, this new christ Church company, christ Chitch Water Cremation, sorry,
christ Church Water Crematorium, is opening today offering an alternative
to flame cremation and burial. Water cremation is basically it's
a system that uses an alkaline solution to mimic the
natural burial process, leaving twenty to thirty percent more ashes
that don't contain carbons, so they're healthier for scattering on

(21:16):
plant life, if that's what you want. It's a method
available in a number of countries overseas, including the US, Canada, UK,
South Africa and Australia. Soon would you be a water
cremation person?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Many times? No, not No, you'd.

Speaker 11 (21:31):
Prefer as a flame or a burial a preference.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Put me in the ground. Yeah, yeah, I feel quite
comfortable there. Yeah yeah, what.

Speaker 11 (21:40):
About you, Michael? Yeah, I think I'm probably a flame
cremation person. That's got in my preference. I'm glad we've
sort of this out for our Friday morning. How's the
weather in christ? A fine starts the morning, the occasion
of rain developing about midday, the high won't The high
will be eight degrees and it's going to be a
cold one tonight with some snow.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Nice one. Thanks Michael maxismon heymex, Good morning. How do
you want to go out?

Speaker 12 (22:05):
I don't like it being called flame cremation. That seems
like it that seems like it was made up on
the spot, a little too visceral. Normal creation cremation.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Can we call it?

Speaker 8 (22:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, the traditional flame type. It's a traditional cremation. Hey,
the boy racer cars some of them hit that have
been seized by the police listed for sale.

Speaker 12 (22:25):
Yeah, there was this the police operation last week in
Levin to disrupt that's the word they use. A boy
racer meet up in Levin, cars doing skids, burnouts. There
were some arrests obviously, some cars were seized and have
now been listed for sale on Facebook marketplace. If you
need to buy now, you're not in luck. The cars
have to be impounded for twenty eight days before they

(22:46):
can be released. Otherwise, at the end of that period
you can get your hands on something that's probably quite loud, fast,
the tires, quite worn, potentially smells of weed. Inside seven
hundred and fifty dollars for a Ford Falcon cash sale
a caveat being you have to pay five hundred on
top to pay that in pound fee road legal except
for some cut springs, so it's a little lower to
the ground.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
If no one.

Speaker 12 (23:07):
Buys and the owner can't pay the impound fee or
has their license suspended, they go to the old Judith Collins,
the crusher.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I wonder if the boy racers could buy it back
from Presumably there's nothing stopping them doing that on trade
me or getting a friend to do it.

Speaker 12 (23:23):
No exactly, but again the problem being some have their
license suspended and some just can't afford it. You know,
several hundred dollars is a stretch.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
True.

Speaker 12 (23:31):
How's the weather nex cold here as well, cloudy too,
with some occasional rain later Southerlys as well.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Awesome, Thank you and nevers in the studio. Good morning
maybe Friday, maybe Friday. And congratulations to the this newsreader
in New Zealand. Oh look at your honored for services
to broadcasting as well last night. Well done.

Speaker 8 (23:52):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 13 (23:53):
I was getting quite emotional, and then I thought services
to broadcasting. I thought, don't they just give that to
old people that are on their way out?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Broadcasters? When I was five, life left and I loved it.
When somebody, the announcer Jerreman Corbett, was saying how many
awards you'd funny, I think you said ten, and new
shouted eleven.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
Eleven.

Speaker 13 (24:13):
It's only a number, but hey, who's scounting?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not well done? Wayne Brown and Disleey Simpson come out
saying well, because we thought Disney might run against him,
she's decided that's right.

Speaker 13 (24:23):
But they are singing from the same song sheet. They're
Komba Yang together. So now we know that Brown and
Simpson they confirmed yesterday that they're going to run together
is Auckland's Mere and depity in October's local elections.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
They've led the.

Speaker 13 (24:36):
Council we know for three years, and there was a
lot of speculation as you say that Simpsons she might
have a run at.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
The top job.

Speaker 13 (24:41):
But no, no, Brown says, look, sometimes we disagree, but
they compliment each other very well his words. So yeah,
he sees. Look, they're both interested in financial aspects, including
reducing pressure on ratepayers, so they will just you know,
hold hands and skip through that best decision.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, she was that would just split the vote
on the right, wouldn't They'll be a dumb minded exactly.

Speaker 13 (25:00):
So totes all right with Rainy's into a few showers
this morning. Fifteen is the high today. I shall celebrate
because I couldn't do that last night. You and I
we had to run off straight after the awards. So
many straight to bed.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Go and enjoy yourself. Neva, Happy Friday, seventeen. Away from
six News Talk CVB, we'll get to Vincent mcaviniy in
the UK.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Next International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind,
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Fourteen away from six news talks fair be very chilly
in Moscow this morning a minus four point six. There
is a met Service to should an orange heavy snow
warning for Central Otago and Canterbury this morning as well.
Just so you're up to date. Now let's get to
Vincent mcavinie in the UK for us mons. Good morning,
good morning. Now over in the Oval Office, we've had
Mertz meeting with Trump. Did anything come of the meeting? Yes.

Speaker 14 (25:49):
Fredrick Martz, the new Chancellor of a Germany, made that
path that some leaders have fallen down on to the
Oval Office in recent months. It seems to have gone
off the public side pretty much without a hitch. He
presented Donald Trump with a gift, which was his German
grandfather's original birth certificate, which seemed to go down quite
well with the President. When it came to their meeting,

(26:13):
I mean, we were told that he had sort of
gained out scenarios. He would have likely have talked to
Mark Carney and Kirs Starmer, the Canadian and British prime
ministers who had successful visits, not so much the South
African president and of course Vladimir Zelenski The questions, though,
seem to have highlighted some of the rift, particularly when
it comes to Ukraine. Germany a big support of Ukraine.

(26:33):
It's thought with some strategic ambiguity. At the moment, they
won't confirm this that Germany has given permission to Ukraine
to use long range missiles that they're provising to strike
further into Russia. But Donald Trump is essentially saying, you know,
he's compared in this meeting to two children fighting in
a park. He had a two hour long conversation with

(26:54):
Vladimir Putin and he said, you've got to let them
fight for a while, and he thinks he knows when
will be the right moment to step in, but won't
say what that is. So they're now meeting behind closed doors.
Of course, Germany trying to get a deal like the
UK has to get out of these tariffs. Their manufacturing
industry hit very hard. But they are just part of
the EU when it comes to that, so they're part

(27:15):
of a kind of multi pronged approach.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Interesting. Vincent will have to leave it there. That's Vincent
Macavi any O UK Europe correspond twelve minutes away from
six Ryan Bridge. Also the Conservative Party just interestingly basically
disavowing themselves of Liz Truss after you know, her mini
budget that nearly crashed the UK economy. They've basically turned
around and said, yeah, that was a really bad and
damaging thing for the party, and I don't think we've

(27:39):
quite recovered. She, by the way, is hawking whiskey in
Europe somewhere, so she's busy doing something. Our twelve away
from six now pressure this morning on the Prime Minister
to separate New Zealand's foreign policy from that of Americas.
A cross party coalition of prominent leaders have signed an
open Leader urging the Prime Minister to not take an

(28:00):
adversarial stance towards China. List of figures include Helen Clark's
Jeffrey Palmers to David Carter and Don Brash, former National
Party leader of course and Reserve Bank governor. Who's with
me this morning, Don, Good morning, good morning, right, Good
to have you on the program. So this is a
position I know you've had for a while, but what
exactly is the government doing to get what are we

(28:21):
doing to get too close to America and further from China.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
Well, a number of things that have been done in
the last twelve eighty months. I guess the most obvious thing.
We sailed one of our naval ships through the Taiwan
Straits straight. We've long regarded Taiwan as part of China.
Sailing naval ships through that strait is very offensive to China.
And we know that. We've recently signed a special kind

(28:46):
of military relationship with the Philippines despite the fact they
are in a low level confrontation with China. We've done
all kinds of We sent two delegations to Taiwan, led
by National Party mpsing that that offends China, and they've
met with the President of China of Taiwan. I mean,

(29:06):
we go out of our way to offend China. Judith Coluins,
Minister of Defense, has made a number of speeches in
which you clearly implied that China was a military threat
to New Zealand and we should allow ourselves with the
United States to prevent that.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Now, are they not, I mean, you know, of.

Speaker 8 (29:25):
Course they're not. I mean, in what sense are they
a threat to New Zealand with no sense that.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
When push comes to shove and one day when they
either quarantine or blockade Taiwan, what do we do who signed?
You know, what side do we take now?

Speaker 8 (29:38):
It's not of our business. We regard Taiwan as part
of China and we were out of that since nineteen
seventy two. It's not our business at all. You know.
The United States if they want a military confrontation with China,
so be it. I hope they don't have such a confrontation.
It's not good for either country. We want to attain
a good relationship with both the United States and China,

(30:00):
but we can't do that if the United States is
held bent on a military confrontation with China.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
What about Aucust. You've obviously got concerns about August. What
exactly are they?

Speaker 8 (30:11):
What August is as it stands in its pure form,
a nuclear submarine deal, where by Australia will require nuclear
subs from the United States at enormous costs some three
hundred and seventy billion Australian dollars. Most experts say Australia
will never actually get those submarines for a variety of
technical reasons they won't boy you with. But it's deliberately

(30:32):
and explicitly an anti China military relationship. Well, if Australia
wants to do that. That's Australia is fair, but it
should not be ours.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
What about that we've just yesterday a lot of our
troops have gone on Canterbury off to a military exercise
with the US and with the Australians those drills rile China.
Do you think we should be not engaging with their minor?

Speaker 8 (30:58):
Absolutely not. Why would we do that?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, we need to have otherwise they're doing nothing. You know,
what would the what would the trucks be doing what?

Speaker 8 (31:09):
I don't know what they'd be doing, but in any case,
what why take better on exercise which is explicitly aimed
against China, which is literally not thritning US. It's our
largest export market by a country mile. I mean, it's
it's daft in every dimension.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Don I appreciate you coming on the program. Don brash Form,
the National Party leader, very much encouraging Luxon to move
away from America or at least be a disinterested party
in that battle between the States and China. Just gone
eight Away from Sex News Talk sib Mike next.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Ryan Bridge edition with one roof Make Your Property Search Simple,
Youth Talk Zibby.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Sex Away from Sex News Talk ZIBB and Mike is here.
Good morning, Mike, greetings, see you, Ryan, congratulations on last night.

Speaker 15 (31:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I humble myself before you.

Speaker 15 (32:02):
I don't know why you would the ones I tell
you who I like, I know I heard you're talking
about Neva a moment ago. And the Malcolm Jordan I
was particularly thrilled with that. Most people on ZB will
know Malcolm Malcolms. I love Malcolm because Malcolm is one
of those people who've been around in the industry for
a million years and has done everything and has just

(32:23):
just he's one of those guys can you do that,
can you do this? And he does it all and
so he was recognized last night and I thought that
was cooled. And Jamie McKay I was particularly thrilled for
awesome achievement because what he's done for rural broadcasting and
you know, spooking the rural part of New Zealand and
buying a radio station, stuff like that and doing it
from the bottom of the country is fantastic. So those

(32:45):
I like nights like that for those sort of reasons.
I felt really bad that you didn't win, but you
were nominating, but just don't always get it right. Judges
got it wrong. You know, I'm quite happy to say
that on you what it dragged on though, didn't it
so boring? It was a shocking, shocking night.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Never and I just wanted to get it.

Speaker 15 (33:04):
Was unacceptably long. And Jeremy Corbett, by the way, he
was actually a great superb and it's a lesson. And
I didn't go last year because for you know, reasons
you can probably understand. But he was there and I
saw him, and I thought previously in other years they
get people. Just because you can do a radio show
doesn't mean you can be an This is true and

(33:26):
we've seen this for many, many years. And so they
found an m C who's brilliant, and he is brilliant
and so he deserves to be hired literally forever.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And he's quick and he kept it moving even though
I mean it dragged on, but that.

Speaker 15 (33:37):
Wasn't who ever organized that to last that long should
be shocked and sacked, simple as that.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
It's completely unaccepted. It grateful award winning mate Closs.

Speaker 15 (33:46):
Well, that's I feel I can say that because I
want It's not like, oh, you're just better because you're lost.
I actually one again say stuff yea it can be shot.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Can you tell him tired?

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I am to live in this and go to a
break and we'll have something out to smickers here next.
Have a great weekend everyone.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
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