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April 6, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Full Show Podcast Monday 7th April 2025, Washington Bureau Chief for the Guardian David Smith shares the latest on reaction out of the US following Donald Trump's tariffs.

The Government wants to shake up free speech laws in universities, Former Victoria University Dean and NZ Initiative research fellow Dr Michael Johnston tells Andrew Dickens what this means.

Andrew Alderson shares the latest from sport over the weekend.

Plus UK/Europe Correspondent Gavin Grey shares the latest on UK car giant Jaguar Land Rover announcing a pause all shipments to the US, following the announcement on tarrifs.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew dickens on
Early Edition with one roof make your property search simple,
use talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be well, good morning to here, and welcome to
your Monday. This is my last full week on Early
Edition one. We'll be back next week, which also means
that Heather, we'll be back on drive. What have we
got for you in the next sixty minutes where the
action plan for quarter two is out and free speech
on universities is a new focus. So how biased are
our campuses? And there's this crackdown really necessary? We'll have

(00:32):
that story for you in five. A disappointing day for
Liam Lawson as his tire strategy fails in both Yuki
and his racing balls teammate beat him. Andrew Ordison on
Sport and ten are you ready for Treaty Principles Action
Part two? We'll have that story for you in twenty
and the world has a weekend to think about the
tariff war and what will they be playing at we'll

(00:53):
look at that and go overseas. Just before six we'll
have correspondents from right around the world. Or morning long,
we'll have correspondents from right around the news feeling and
you can have your say anytime you like by giving
me a text. The number is ninety two ninety two.
A small charge applies at seven after five.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, it's Monday, the seventh of April. Hundreds have been
attending a rally in Paris to support far right leader
Maureen Lapin, who has been banned from running for office.
The pen was found guilty for embezzling European funds to
finance her party, which she says she will appeal, and
speaking at the rally of the Pin says her conviction
was political and she will not give up.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
We share a horror for bias, an injustice. Very difficult
for you, the people of France, who every day have
to face district god, to face the social, physical insecurity,

(01:53):
to face mistreatment in your own country, a denial of
your own culture and identity.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
In the United States now, where protests again President Trump's
policies have been underway. In Washington it's called hands off.
In a social media post, Trump urged the US to
hang tough after the market turmoil. US's National Economic Council
Director Kevin Hassett says more than fifty countries have contacted
Trump to try to negotiate. Meanwhile, Elil Musk has been

(02:21):
talking in Italy and he has suggested a zero tariff
situation with the EU.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
I'm hopeful, for example, the tariffs that at the end
of the day, I hope it has agreed that both
Europe and the United States should move ideally in my view,
to a zero tariff situation, effectively creating a free trade
zone between Europe and North America.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And finally, Francis has made his first public appearance at
Saint Peter's Square in the Vatican after his discharge from hospital.
He spent five weeks in there. The eighty eight year
old was discharged from hospital in Rome after facing treatment
for double pneumonia on the twenty third of Man.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
He took everybody by surprise today because when he was
discharged from the hospital two weeks ago exactly the doctors
prescribed that he have at least two months of a
protected convalescence and without meeting big crowds. And here he

(03:21):
was today absolutely contradicting that instruction from the doctors.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You can't keep the pope down. It is ten out five.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make
Your Property Search Simple, news talk zippy.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Hey, goodboding to you, Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Last week, the headline on my editorial when it was
posted on social media was the era of globalization is dead.
That was after the launching of the Tower War. Now
there's got a lot of people excited. People who have
never liked global free trade, people who have hated the
World Economic Forum. Some were saying that I never thought

(04:00):
they'd see a headline like that from Newstools MB and
they were deliriously happy. But if they read all my piece,
they realize I'm not cheering the new era. The era
of the blocks is what I call it. I understand
the hatred of many of globalization. It's killed local manufacturing
and jobs if another country can do it cheaper, and

(04:21):
other countries do it cheaper by mistreating their own workers.
But that's life, and no money comes into an economy
and makes the country richer if you don't sell stuff
to other economies. So you can rail against globalization if
your economy can be entirely self sustaining, and maybe Americas can,

(04:43):
but I don't think so. Ford became Ford not by
selling cars to just America, but by selling cars to
the world. And New Zealand knows this well. If globalization ended,
we'd be left with a market of just five point
five million, and we'd be paupers. We are who we
are because from day one we sold the world our food.

(05:05):
We are the original og globalizers. And any New Zealander
who hates globalization, I know there's a lot of you
out there. Any New Zealander who hates globalization wants New
Zealand to be an impoverished third world South Seas island
trading owly with ourselves. And if you hate globalization, maybe
you need to have a good hard look at the mirror,

(05:26):
and maybe you need to have a good long chat
with a farmer.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Now, this week's headlines was all about subdivisions and their pitfalls,
and the big one was about Milford and the Wairau
Valley which is in Auckland. Now, these were the suburbs
and industrial zones that were flooded the most in the
Anniversary cyclone two years ago. Two people died, one hundred
and thirty one houses were left uninhabitable, and to prevent
it happening again. The Council's waste and the council's wastewater

(05:53):
managers they called Healthy Waters, came up with a plan
that would turn half the Takaputa Golf Club into a
wetland to hold five hundred and fifty million liters of floodwater.
Problem is it turns half the golf club into a lake,
a public course that attracts two hundred thousand rounds a year.
The golfers obviously were absolutely aghast there's being petitioned. Meanwhile,

(06:15):
the suburban dwellers are adamant that something has to happen.
They live in a very floodable suburb of floods that
kill people. The golfers have now come up with a
different plan. They reckon it prevents the course being lost
under water, and so the debate rages on. Maybe we'll
have a happy ending. But my question from this whole
thing is how come this work wasn't done in the
first place. When Milford was developed as a suburb, it

(06:38):
used to be a marshy valley floor it got converted
into a suburb. It took a rain event to show
us just how dumb that was. And this would be
the worry about the relaxation of resource management rules and
the rise of fast tracking. We got it all wrong
once when the old walls were in and who's to
say it's not going to happen again. While we had

(07:00):
another story, our new subdivision north of Auckland is in
the fast track process. But the original submission was for
two hundred and one houses. All of a sudden, it's
now for four hundred and fifty. Locals are worrying that's
too much. They're worrying about the corners that have been cut,
and they're worried about what it all means. Now, fast
track does not mean cheap track. It doesn't mean you
get a go pass go card. If you get it wrong,

(07:25):
then the legal work will cripple you. You'll be appealed to
the High Court and maybe even to the Supreme And
all developers really have to realize that your work has
to work, and it has to work long term. If
you're building a suburb, it cannot flood. Five fourteen. Right,
we're to quarter two of the government and you know

(07:45):
that they like action plans and they like to tell
us what their action plan is. So for quarter two
they want to get stuck into the universities and they
want to introduce legislation to require freedom of expression. They
reckon there's far too much censorship universities, is there. We'll
talk to a former university dean about whether there is

(08:06):
bias at our universities and whether the new legislation will help.
And that is next on News Talks abb.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Get ahead of the headlines. On early edition Andrew Dickens
and One Room, Make Your Property Search Simple.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
News Talks edb Well seventeen after five on a Monday
morning at Armandrew Dickens and the government wants to shake
up free speech laws in universities. Today's to day, it
releases its quarter II action plan and one of their
focuses includes introducing legislation to require freedom of expression in
our unis And now former Victoria University dean and now

(08:40):
New Zealand Initiative Research fellow doctor Michael Johnson is with
us and he joins me. Now, good morning to Michael.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
Oh, good morning. I should point out I was an
associate dean, not a dean.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh, Okay, that's very important. Is this necessary?

Speaker 7 (08:57):
I believe it is. And the New Zealand Initiative for
our work also does our research fellow James Kirsted published
a report last year that showed that high proportions of
academics and students feel intimidated to talk about certain topics
in the university and including things like the Treaty of

(09:17):
White Hongey and sex and gender issues surrounding that. So
a range of issues academics and students are feeling worried
about talking about, and we do need to beef up
protections for their ability to do so.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
So I thought this was about freedom of speech, but
not the freedom to talk about treaty issues or gender issues.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Well, freedom of speech encompasses the ability to talk about
all kinds of things, and academics and students have to
have academic freedom to broach any topic that they want
to in the university environment. That's what universities are for.
They's supposed to be forums for discussion of all kinds
of different ideas.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
So they can talk about treaty antender.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Issues, amongst other things.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yes, okay, is this problem institutional or is it amongst
the students or is it ingrained in the faculty?

Speaker 7 (10:14):
Well, to some extent it's all three. There's evidence that
there's huge political bias within the faculty, so they lean
massively left. The student population almost certainly does as well.
But certainly some of these measures come from the sorry,

(10:34):
problems come from the university administration. So the problems in
all three of those bodies of people.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, sir, in your opinion, what would the law look like?

Speaker 7 (10:47):
Well, first of all, the universities need to be reminded
of their obligation under the Education and Training Act to
protect academic freedom on our campuses. And we think that
that will only happened if the legislation has a bit
of teeth to it. So there needs to be some
kind of financial penalty for universities that consistently breach their members,

(11:13):
that as students or academics, academic freedom.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
All right, Michael and I thank you so much for
your time. Michael the former Associate dean of Victoria University
and New Zealand Initiative Research Bay. It is five twenty
Liam Lawson, Mike and I were discussing Lean Lawson earlier.
Maybe he's being found out. I'll talk about this with
Andrew Orderson in a few moments time.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
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Speaker 7 (11:46):
You talk, said Bee.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I've only been here two months. Eventually I'll get it.
I'm just keen to get on. I'm a little confused
about Michael Johnson. What he said. There is talking about
freedom of speech, but was there freedom to speak about
issues like treaty and gender issues or is it only
him to speak about things that people approve of? But
I don't know. What do you think? Ninety two? Ninety
two is a number. Andrew Ordison joins, we have though.
Greetings Andrew, I watched the Formula one. I'm a big

(12:09):
fan and I saw Lawson. He was overtaken by Yuki
on the first corner. He couldn't keep up with. Carlos
says he finished seventeenth, So No finished twelfth, Hadja in
a racing balls finished eighth and Mike and I said,
maybe he's being found out now, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
I think it's pretty sobering for I suppose he's the
old fans, Wilson fans to see that that year was
occurring out there, and maybe he sort of found his
place in the strata of win, the one where it
stands at the moments.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's plenty seventeenth. Yeah, no, thank you.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Well, no, that's he's gonna have to take the reality
of it, Isn't he in confident? You know whether he
can come back from that and you know, shows true class.
I mean he's had I mean coming into this in
the previous years or have been such great performances. Perhaps
less pressure on him at that particular juncture, and it'll
be a test of his medal from here on in.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Absolutely Bahrain his next now AUGENDFC. I also watched that
they unbeaten run now up to eleven games, which sounds good,
but they've only got seven points out of the fifteen
on offer over the last of a while. They sort
of are in a hole. Well debut season Edrew. I
think you take that leaving the table.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
I'm really impressed with how they've put it together. It's
much because of what they've done on the field is
what they've done off it. You see black and blue
all around the town. The marketing has been outstanding. There's
some great packages that they've got together to go to games,
such especially for younger children, etc. Involved in the game
and embracing the fan base. I think it's been just

(13:36):
a copybook start to a ten year old slide. That's
slide at the north end. I really want to have
a crack on it.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's massive. We could turn down slide. And I love
the fact that the traveling fans came all the way
from Sydney to come and see this and they were great.
But I do not like the fact that there was
a little bit of artibargi between the traveling fans and
the Auckland fans. That was because I that was that
we've got some new fans who think that that's part
of the game and it's not.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
No, no, no, So they've got to stamp that out.
And I see they've come out pretty strongly on that
Nick Becker et cetera as to where they stand on
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
So anyway, if they'd aside.

Speaker 8 (14:15):
Pretty pretty convincing and what they're doing in Steve Carriker,
et cetera, you know, being able to piece together this
campaign from scratches is a monumental achievement.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Bake Ferns are champions sevens struggling yep, yep.

Speaker 8 (14:29):
So yeah, Sarah Hereni and the team once again showing
their class, this time in Singapore and getting it. Of course,
they've got the finale to come next month in Los Angeles,
but overall champions once again. And I mean it's gonna
be an interesting because a few of the personnel and
their head off to fifteens, et cetera, with the World
Cup coming up later in the year. But they've stamped

(14:49):
their mark again in Singapore.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Good stuff. Andrew and Neils just sending a text saying
Andrew Yuki also got found out he wasn't in the points,
so you know, and Max started again showing his class absolutely.
Thank you so much, Andrew. It is a five twenty six.
Are you ready for Treaty Principles Action Part two? Did
you even realize it was coming? I'll tell you that
in a.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Talks at B News Talks a B. It is five
twenty seven. I'm Andrew Dickens. So it looks like the
Treaty Principles Actors toast as Christopher Luxon assured it it
would be. And much was made over the weekend that
ninety percent of the submissions were against it. But you
know that means nothing at all if all the opposing
submissions were just photocopies of one, which I think a

(15:38):
lot of them were. Remember that Maori are organized. Anyone
who's seen their multiple hikoys and their awesome organization of
the King's Tongue, he should know that you underestimate Malory
at your own peril. They got organized and they swamped
the Select Committee. But it must also be noted that
the Act that that Acts Act was a bit of
a simplistic dog in my opinion, much of it already

(16:00):
covered by the Bill of Rights. At its heart, it
was three sentences designed to overthrow fifty years of legal development.
But is the movement against the Treaty Principles dead? No,
it is not. New Zealand. First one to have a crack.
Winston Peters, being the experienced legislator that he is, wants

(16:21):
to amend all the existing Treaty Principles legislation that we
already have. If you remember, he went his election campaign
on it. And it is a smart way to achieve
real change because it's already in the law. You just
change the thing. As we approach the changeover between Peters
and Seymour of the Deputy PM role, Winston will have
the time and the energy to have a crack. So

(16:45):
welcome to round two of the Treaty Principle's debate, a
round that has much more chance to succeed. Andrew Dickens,
five twenty nine. Andrew, it shall be noted that the
Associate Dean works for the New Zealand Institute, which is
a think tag that there is right. Thank you. Someone
else was saying that he uses those two topics as examples,
and true enough. But what I want to say is

(17:06):
freedom of speech. It's not about what you speak about,
it's what you ban. Right now, on the way, I've
got some Neil Finn and Dual Leaper for you. And
on the way we'll go to America and find out
how they've coped after the first weekend of tariffs.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Okay, home, Word's today Our fifty five years down the Road.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
News and views you trust to start your day. It's
early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your
Property Search Simple. You've talked Sidy.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know the song it's don't treat It's over And
this is live from due a Leap. It's Friday concert
in Auckland, where due Leiper butted Neil Finn up to
the day, and he started throwing his guitar and the
whole crowd sang along for this good song. What a
great choice by a Dua Leaper, and Neo Finn looked
as cool as and the night before. A couple of

(18:10):
nights beforehand, Julep did Royals by Lord as well, and
from all accounts, ju A Leaper was a magnificent concert.
Keeping with showbuses us. This is some good news that
the box office needed worldwide. The Minecraft movie exploded past
even the most optimistic of expectations and made up to
one hundred and fifty million dollars in America alone in

(18:32):
its opening weekend, including a twenty twenty five record of
fifty eight million on its opening day. They thought it
would make seventeen to eighty million. It made one hundred
and fifty million. And the reason I'm mentioning this is
because the Minecraft movie was made in New Zealand, fired
on by Jason Momoa, who's a big fan. He wants
to bring heaps of work here, thank you so much. Jason.

(18:53):
Jack blacks in the film as well. So this is
a little bit of New Zealand on the movie screens
that has gone off. And finally the Liam defenders are
back and are here. So one writes, for heaven's sake,
you can't be in the points from fourteen on the grids,
starting that far behind, you need others to not finish
and scoring as a fluke. Come on, take your rose
tinted glasses off. You keep passed him on the first corner.

(19:16):
For a lot of the race, he ended up following
Carlos Saints. Carlos Saints left Liam behind. Carlos Saints passed
four cars, Liam passed none. And I think you'll find that.
I believe that he's been found out a bit and
I wish him only the best of luck. And I
know he's a good driver. But so far no, it
is a twenty one to six decades around the country.

(19:38):
We go call and proc to joys Is from Dunedin. Hello, Callum,
morning Andrew. So the infamous Hyde Street party from the
Otago University went off without a hitch And are you
telling me no wallabies were burnt this time?

Speaker 9 (19:49):
Apparently not this time, no, but there was concerns after
the Saint Patrick Stay Antis that's right where students lead
off the fireworks. There were couches burnt and a wallaby
carcass thrown on a but not this time. Police were
pretty happy with the behavior of the thousands of costume
students that packed out the North Dunedin Street Hide Street
on Saturday for the annual event. Of course, it's had

(20:11):
controversies over time, riots back in the day, most notably
in overcrowded Ruth Caveden in twenty twelve, but police monitor
the event closely to ensure the safety of all involved.
They say there were no incidents of note, no arrests
this year, and Saint John's say they had a very
light workload. How's your weather good for a start, but
showers developed later today possibly heavy. A salist change this

(20:33):
evening the high today twenty one to.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Christ Here as we go class you are good morning,
good morning, and back we go to the ongoing saga
that is christ Urge Hospital's car park.

Speaker 10 (20:42):
Yes, and a possible solution for staff who've been impacted
by this lack of car parking for so many years now,
Heath get counselor and Merol hopeful Sarah Templeton is suggesting
that the five hundred and fifty car parks at the
new Partak Yoda Metro Sports Center, which is just a
block away be used for hospital workers at least overnight.
That facility is due to open later this year, but

(21:04):
the car park is currently sitting there. It's ready to
go on and it's not being used. She has written
to council staff for some advice on her idea, as
the center is situated about five hundred meters away from
work for these nurses and stuff. Templeton says hospital workers
are often concerned about the time they have to walk
to their car in the dark. She says her ideas
received support from workers so far, one person telling her

(21:27):
about a recent health the end zed bulletin that told
staff to be more careful when they leave work. How's
christ Church's weather today, Well, it's very foggy now but
should clear to fine early morning and evening cloud at
northwesterlies and a high of twenty four.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
To Wellington we go, Max Tol, good morning, good morning.
Here come the local body elections and Labour still does
not have a candidate for the mayor.

Speaker 11 (21:49):
No, and it's quite almost baffling. Why not the party's
Wellington branch just over the weekend announcing three new candidates
for council. You've got a claimate chain researcher, an environmental
policy advisor that sounds like the same thing, and a
Maori trust member for the Maldi Ward. The headline, though,
does remain the fact that they can't conjure a candidate

(22:10):
good enough to seemingly challenge Tory Faro, despite recent polling
shows that she's in an incredibly tenuous position. Justin Lester
was looked at seriously to run again. Flur fitz Simon's
apparently doesn't want to do it. We do know they
desperately do want to enter a candidate. They've gone until
August one. Perhaps Phil Goff might fancy have moved down south.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And how's Wellington's were there?

Speaker 11 (22:33):
A few showers mostly fine around the middle of the day,
a high of twenty central.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I think you never written man who joins me
from Walkanhella and evareetings. So the rubbish and organ's rubbish
tracks keeps going up and spoke keeps bursting into fighting.

Speaker 12 (22:45):
That is correct. So Auckland Council's data release the newswork
zee Beach shows that the rubbish track fires costing text
payers rate payers about one hundred and forty eight thousand dollars.
This was just for last year. So already they've been
at least thirteen rubbish truck fires this year, costing up
to sixty five thousand dollars and is also costing forty

(23:06):
eight thousand per year for the recycling facility. So you
know what, Andrew, that's what we've got here. You know,
more and more items containing batteries. It's in you know,
everyday items like the laptops, phones, toothbrushes and vapes all
going up and smoke. Really so also we can tell
you that the most recent order of Auckland's coupside refuse
bins have revealed seventy one percent of bins containing the
electric waste.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
How's Awkin's weather?

Speaker 12 (23:28):
Okay, partly cloudy today, We've got a few showers, but
it will clear to fine whether by the afternoon. Twenty
two is a high.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I thank you Neva read Amano whe there's now
eighteen minutes to six text through and this is true.
How Bright was the headhunter wanted by police returning to
New Zealand for a funeral, arrested at the airport. Thank
you Jack for your text is if you missed the
story over the weekend, this is a Hiphart guy who
runs the drag ring. He lives in Dubai. He lives
in Dubai, He drives luxury vehicles, he lives in luxury places.

(23:57):
He hangs out with luxury friends. But he had to
come home for a tonguey and so he thought I
could get away with us, and he flew in and
the cops s went, hello, welcome back to New Zealand.
Let's go off to the big house. What really concerned
me about that was not how done the headhunter guy was,
but more how rich the headhunter guy is and how
he's been masterminding operations out of Dubai. This meth thing,

(24:20):
this out drug problem is huge now to the markets.
The only time the United States has seen a two
day crash quite like Thursday and Friday was the GFC
in two thousand and eight COVID in the eighty seven
stop market crash. It was a biggie. The US down
ten point five percent over the two days. We are
expected to start on the back foot of Monday because

(24:41):
of that. However, the New Zealer market last week actually
had quite a good week. We were only down point
five percent, others down eight to ten percent, So that's
the good news. What is happening in America and how
are the Americans feeling about it when they see their
market down ten point five percent and they see how
the rest of the world going. That's not fair. So
we'll go to an American correspondent just before six it

(25:02):
is now sixteen two six. On news talks, it be
international correspondence.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
On youth talks, it be.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Richard Takes to me saying, tell your listeners not to
take the Kiwi Saver bellance a good, good advice, Kevin
great for the UK abody to you hither Andrew all right,
of course we're not chicking our Kiwi savers because of
the whole tariff war and now Jaguar and then Ro
the heads announced they're just going to pause things for
a while and chick out what's going down. Yeah, so the.

Speaker 13 (25:31):
Prime Minister here saying that they're going to take stock
keep an eye on things. But actually time isn't the
luxury that car manufacturers in this country can afford, nor
the steel industry. Let's start with car manufacturers. Jaguar Landro
renouncing it's going to pause all shipments to the US,
and that of course is to quote address the new
trading terms. Of course, there was a twenty five percent

(25:54):
levy on car imports going into America announced by Donald Trump,
and the US is the second largest export market for
the UK's car industry, said in a twelve month period
to be worth roughly sixteen seventeen billion New Zealand dollars
a year, so this is, you know, reasonable sized stuff.

(26:14):
And the initial wave of tariffs are also going to
be followed up with an import tax on auto parts.
So it's interesting now to see what different car manufacturers
are doing. Jaguar Landrover luxury brand pausing in other words,
and not sending any more cars over to America from
its Coventry, its Midland s based manufacturing site. Nissan thinking

(26:35):
about moving some of its production of US bound vehicles
from Japan to America, and the carmaker Stilantis said it's
temporarily shutting down its assembly plant in Windsor in Canada.
So different responses from the car manufacturing groups. And regarding steel,
I'm afraid it looks like British steel is in big
trouble here in the UK, and it certainly looks like

(26:58):
those extra tariffs are going to make life there very
very difficult for it.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Meanwhile, a Nissan, I understand has been talking about actually
building some manufacturing plants in the United States of America
to get round it, so that would actually be Trump's
little policy actually working. So let's move to Rome, and
the Pope has been a naughty boy, ignoring medical advice.

Speaker 13 (27:19):
He has because, having spent some weeks in hospital, he
was told not to really do anything for several weeks. However,
for the first time since he was rushed into hospital
in Rome, he has made his first public appearance. He
was released from hospital a fortnight ago, and the eighty
eight year old, having spent five weeks there, was then
told to take several weeks off. However, he appeared in

(27:41):
a previously unannounced move, entering s Peter Square in a
wheelchair shortly before noon that local time noon and the
end of the celebration of a Mass for the Catholic
Church's jubilee year. There were applauding crowds. There were many
pleased to see him. There were also some who were
evidently quite shocked at his appearance. He did look really

(28:02):
pretty weak. His voice did sound stronger than when he'd
first addressed well wishers outside the hospital. But yeah, plenty
of people commenting on his appearance looking pretty gaunt and
also with being fed. It looks like oxygen through his
nose as well, So trying to keep making sure that
he's getting oxygen to his various organs. But nevertheless, as

(28:24):
I said, great to see him up and about, but yeah,
further concern about his general overall health.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
He needs the people, and the people need him. And
Gavin Gray from the UK, thank you so much. It
is ten to.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Six Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
The world has been the world has been continuing to
react to trump'st tariff's announcements. Over the weekend. The stock
market in America was a said spectacle, as I've told you,
or really Thursday Friday, the SMP felt ten point five percent. Remarkably,
New Zealand did quite well, falling zero point five percent.
Experts warned the tariffs could push up prices for consumers.
Donald Trump is urging the United States to hang tough

(28:58):
because it's not pleasant for them right now. Washington Bureau
chief for the Guardian is David Smith, and David Smith
joins me now, good morning to you. Laurie took us
through the reaction in the United States people are protesting
and tell us about hands off.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Yeah, I think people are still bewildered and somewhat horrified
for the most part by these taffs, and even loyalist
to Donald Trump and the Republican Party are struggling to
deal with it, and some of them a critical or
even floating legislation to curtail pumps power over tariff. Larry Summers,

(29:35):
the former Treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, describes this as
the greatest self inflicted wound on the American economy in history.
And as you mentioned, the stock market, they're six trillion
dollars wiped off in just a couple of days last week.
And yes, that helped fuel protests that were going to
happen already yesterday and Saturday, the hands off protests in

(30:00):
New York, Washington, Dickies, all across America, millions of people
taking to the streets to demonstrate against Donald Trump and
Elon Musk and all they've done so far, and the
process seemed peaceful, determined. I think there's a general feeling
or at least a hope that you know, this was

(30:22):
the week when the resistance to Trump really started to
wake up after weeks of being somewhat somewhat mused.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
But here's the thing. Donald Trump campaigned on this. Donald
Trump got a popular mandate to do this, and so
Donald Trump went and did this, so they can't be surprised.
And Donald Trump said it all along. It's going to
be tough, and he once again has repeated that, urging
people to hang tough. So is there any faith that
the markets will change and that this will work eventually?

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Well, it's only true. Trump did say on the campaign
trail he would impose tariff, and I think maybe even
some of his own supporters wonders if it was one
of those moments where Trump says one thing to sound
tough but doesn't actually follow through. And I'm sure many
Republicans were hoping that. But this is a promise he
has kept. And you know, today on the Sunday morning

(31:20):
TV shows, which always a big part of the political diet,
You've heard contradictory messages from Trump's cabinet members where this
is going, some saying he's absolutely determined to stick with
it come what may. It's a real core belief of
Donald Trump, going back to the eighties, that America is
being ripped off and that tarifs are the solution, but

(31:42):
other cabinet members suggesting perhaps they're useful leverage, they're a
bargaining tool. In the coming weeks, there'll be lots of
foreign leaders calling to maybe negotiate side deals and give
Trump some room to back away from these tariffs. And
what we don't know is whether the decline of the
stock market will force his hand. In the past, seems

(32:06):
to care a lot about the stock market. Maybe it will,
maybe it will get through to him eventually. But you
still a great deal of uncertainty here about where this
is going. And I think you know, all eyes again
will be on the market this this coming week to
see this there's nose dives continues and becomes something like
a crash or a recession.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Chod stuff. David Smiths from the Washington Bureau of The Guardian.
He campaigned on it, You've voted for it. You got it.
Surprise not six to six.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with one roof to make
your property search simple, youth dog zibby.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
My costin Good morning to you. I see you had
a dying baby red at your place and your advice
was to hit it with a gun boot and I
thought the beck of a spade was actually the except
could have been the spide.

Speaker 14 (32:55):
Difficulty with the Spide. For people who haven't followed this,
this was on my wife's social media. Apparently it was
a thing.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 14 (33:03):
Is the spades quite the distance from the scene of
the crime, it's a little wings so it was a
good tenant walk to go get the spade.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
I did.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I did go.

Speaker 14 (33:13):
I did go get a spade, but then I brought
the spade back, but the mouse slash rat had gone,
so we left the spade out until we couldn't find it.
Then I had to walk ten minutes back to put
the spade away. So anyway, Scott's our man country. He is, indeed,
and he's he's there today.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And that's why that's why their baby rat was dying,
because he'd already killed it. I think, so there's no
problem there.

Speaker 14 (33:34):
That's what I kept saying. I said, the thing's a dying,
don't don't worry. Don't make you anyway. Chris Luxon in
this morning, and a lot to talk about. They put
out the new Q two. You know, here's the things
we're going to do, so we'll have them.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
After sep and thirty super My Name Is Andrew Dickens
back tomorrow? Can you producer a kins?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
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